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Børsen in 2010
Børsen in 2010

Glossary[edit]

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps[edit]

  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers[edit]

  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
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    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

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April 18[edit]

Armed conflict and attacks


2024 Croatian parliamentary election[edit]

Article: 2024 Croatian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The HDZ-led coalition wins a plurality of votes parliamentary election in Croatia but fall well short of a parliamentary majority. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: As always with these elections it'll be now coalition negotiation time, but the main news is HDZ won but maybe not as by much as they would like. A slightly bigger aftermath and commentary on the results would be nice, but it's not a bad article at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 17[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


Persian Gulf floods[edit]

Article: 2024 Persian Gulf floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Floods in the Gulf states killed 18 people in Oman, while the United Arab Emirates experienced its heaviest rainfall in 75 years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Flooding in the Gulf states leaves 20 people dead.
News source(s): NY Times, Al Jazeera, Reuters, The Guardian, Khaleej Times, BBC,
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 07:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The event is notable and the article seems to be of sufficiently good quality and sourcing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. 'Heavy rainfall in the Gulf states' had been an excellent example of an oxymoron before this happened.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. 10 inches of rain poured in 24 hours in parts of the UAE, highest since Emirati climate records began in 1949! Unprecedented in a normally arid part of the world. Droodkin (talk) 10:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but the article is currently a bit small and needs to be expanded. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose on quality seeding has already been dismissed as the cause, this was just a very unusual storm pattern that caused flooding. The BG section of the article doesn't mention the weather system at all and focuses too much on the seeding part. Masem (t) 15:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, unique meteorological event with a major impact. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability Abo Yemen 18:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a rare and notable weather event --Μιχαήλ Δεληγιάννης (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality some places got 2-3 times their annual rainfall in a matter of hours, and the 2nd largest airport in the world was closed. However, article is orange tagged, which needs fixing. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chernihiv missile attack[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: April 2024 Chernihiv missile strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A missile attack kills 17 people in Chernihiv, Ukraine, while more than 60 people are injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Al Jazeera Reuters The Guardian Washington Post ABC News Kyiv Independent NY Times
Credits:
NYMan6 (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

April 16[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: A. T. Ariyaratne[edit]

Article: A. T. Ariyaratne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hiru News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan activist, the legendary founder of the Sarvodaya Movement. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 07:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the Ariyaratne's Buddhist Ideas section have several unsourced statements and is using just one sources numerous times. Same with Buddhist Economics section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Palitha Thewarapperuma[edit]

Article: Palitha Thewarapperuma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ada Derana
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan politician, former Deputy Minister of Social Empowerment. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 07:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there is no obvious issue with the article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Bob Graham[edit]

Article: Bob Graham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tallahassee Democrat
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A titan of Florida politics. Article is almost there, a few spots need citations. Curbon7 (talk) 03:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You beat me to the nomination! Will try to iron out citations today or tomorrow. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Almost ready there are just 2-3 cn tags that needs to be solved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should be good now I've fixed the 2 CN tags and have added more REFs to previously unsourced statements. Article should be ready for ITN/C. RIP to the GOAT of NCT '90s/'00s VP selections. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks good to go now mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Erskine[edit]

Article: Carl Erskine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I am not seeing any issues with the article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 18:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Børsen fire[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Børsen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The historic Børsen (pictured) in Copenhagen, Denmark, catches fire. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Børsen, a historic building in Copenhagen, Denmark, catches fire.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The historic Børsen (pictured) in Copenhagen, Denmark, catches fire.
News source(s): CNN BBC Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Developing story. Article is not sufficiently updated yet, but Scandinavia just got its own Notre-Dame fire. Cart (talk) 09:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for more updates and information. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not comparable to the fire in the Notre-Dame de Paris. The Notre Dame is a UNESCO heritage site, Børsen is not. So ITNR-wothiness in this case is questionable. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've had plenty of fires on ITN of buildings that were not on the UNESCO heritage list, the significance for ITN is interest and the coverage in media, and this is front page stuff on what we usually refer to as significant media. Cart (talk) 11:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose at size of update - CNN is reporting that at least half the building has been consumed by the fire and that they're still historical art and furniture that is trying to be rescued from this. But one paragraph is far too small to cover whats happening and it may be a few more hours before we can suitably expand. --Masem (t) 11:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when properly updated. I don't like the word "ancient" in the proposed blurb. Børsen was "only" 400 years old, "ancient" is usually reserved for stuff like the Roman Empire. "Historical" would be a better word. Thue (talk) 12:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops! Good point. Fixed. Cart (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when the article is ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when ready. Well known famous building. Nfitz (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article has been sufficiently updated. Support on notability, Oppose on quality This is an historic building which was previously the headquarters of the Danish Chamber of Commerce, and the fire seems to have caused significant damage. However, the article has two cn's, and the paragraph the fire is not ready yet. It doesn't actually say if the fire has ended, and doesn't indicate the full extent of the damage. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's been updated now and I've found refs for the cn's. Please take another look. Cart (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support seems fine now. Wait until there's enough information for a proper expansion of the article. Estreyeria (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not seeing any significant problems and it's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when ready. LiamKorda 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: There are photos of the building on fire, but they aren't so great blurb-wise since they don't include the significant spire, all the scaffolding hides the building and will only present us with an ad for Batman. I think the best alternative is the suggested pre-fire photo. Cart (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as nominator. The article is now sufficiently fixed and as up to date with the fire as we can get it at the moment. There will be more in days to come, but I think it's ok to post. Cart (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The inevitable 2024 Børsen fire has just been created, but it's so far just text copied from the original Børsen. So I don't think the link in the proposed blurbs should be updated. For now, I think it's good to have the background and the new article will fill its purpose later. Cart (talk) 18:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about using File:Brand i Børsen, set fra Ved Stranden.jpg instead of the image suggested here. "The historic Børsen in Copenhagen, Denmark, catches fire. (fire pictured)" Sebbog13 (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It now has an article so link to 2024 Børsen fire. Sebbog13 (talk) 19:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That just shows smoke and could be anything on fire. Secretlondon (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The new article is mainly a copy of the text in the original, and will be more useful as the aftermath develops. Right now, the history behind the building will help readers. And as of now, the blurb is posted without photo. I think that's a good call since the Iran-Israel conflict is way more serious than this fire. Cart (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the new article is expanded further, we can switch it. I am going to swap to the "not on fire" photo now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Batman ad is more visible than the building... Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After research, it appears that Denmark's freedom of panorama is limited to non-commercial uses for artistic works in public places (Article 24(2)), so this is a copyright violation and should, at best, be hosted locally under fair use be marked as a de minimis use, and very much not go on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which picture are you talking about? The one that we're currently using showing the building in question is fine as the building is 400 years old. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The photo discussed is File:Brand i Børsen, set fra Ved Stranden.jpg with a very visible Batman ad. Cart (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Was your 'research' to read the first sentence of Danish copyright law? The second sentence on article 24(3) states that "buildings can be freely reproduced in pictorial form." Stephen 23:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I'm not talking about the building, I'm talking about the advertisement on the building. Which, on File:Brand i Børsen, set fra Ved Stranden.jpg, is the giant Batman promotional poster, and falls very much under 24(2) and not 24(3). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Surely a crop of the photo could be made, cropping out all of the ad whilst just keeping the words "fear nothing". Happily888 (talk) 11:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 15[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Jerry Savelle[edit]

Article: Jerry Savelle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Christian Post
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American televangelist and author. 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E0:EC3C:2013:6568 (talk) 05:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is an orange tag and 4 cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Whitey Herzog[edit]

Article: Whitey Herzog (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USAToday
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hall of Fame manager.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 18:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/blurb: Josip Manolić[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Josip Manolić (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Josip Manolić, the second prime minister of Croatia, dies at the age of 104. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former prime minister of Croatia, Josip Manolić, dies at the age of 104.
News source(s): Nacional, Jutarnji list Index.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Josip Manolić was the second and last prime minister of Croatia as the Socialist Republic of Croatia, and “first” prime minister (caretaker) of the independent Croatia. Co-founder of the important Croatian political party Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) and also Croatian Independent Democrats (HND). First official Speaker of the Chamber of Counties of Croatia. Major political player in Croatia's history. The article is ok, could be more detailed, but has been updated with his death. Seems like a notable figure, so I think it makes a strong RD; mixed about the blurb. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One side note, obviously topics dealing with SFR Yugoslavia and its former constituent republics can be very contentious. Vandalism would be a concern. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Classicwiki: If vandalism is a concern, should the page be semi-protected? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MtPenguinMonster, not to be too wp:crystalball, but if it gets to the front page via blurb, it would be advised. Doesn't seem like the blurb or the RD are going to make it at the moment. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose There's some cn tags in the article, but I feel like these can be fixed. I'll support RD, but I'll oppose a blurb as the article doesn't really mention his legacy/overall impact he had in Croatia. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as nothing in the article gives a good reason he was a major figure that created an impact or estaish Ed a legacy for the country. Oppose RD on quality issues (cn's, etc) I'll also note much of the article is sourced to a single work (#6 as I type this) which begs again on how important he was in considering a blurb. Masem (t) 19:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb He was only PM of an independent Croatia for less than 1 month, I see no reason for this being majorly influential or leaving a legacy. Also Oppose RD at this time as there are too many CN tags on the article. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 05:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb given his short and apparently not very influential tenure as Prime Minister. The article only spends half a paragraph on it, and doesn't even explain what he did during his term. Oppose RD given the 5 citation needed tags still in the article. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb He was not the most influential Croatian leader of all time therefore no blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a note to the nominator, any biographical article on Wikipedia can be featured for RD provided they meet quality guidelines, see WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 15:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb per above. LiamKorda 15:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Though he was prime minister at time of the declaration of independence, he had little role in the declaration itself and the succeeding wars were litigated moreso by President Franjo Tuđman than his prime ministers. Curbon7 (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Derek Underwood[edit]

Article: Derek Underwood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English cricketer, former world number 1 bowler. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article is ready for RD. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Willie Limond[edit]

Article: Willie Limond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Boxer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, most of the article is currently unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article has a orange tag and has only 3 sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 14[edit]

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Sports


RD: Werner Spitz[edit]

Article: Werner Spitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted forensic pathologist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article is ready for RD. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Steve Sloan[edit]

Article: Steve Sloan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready Head coaching record section needs sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab: Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ken Holtzman[edit]

Article: Ken Holtzman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're all taken care of. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Beverly LaHaye[edit]

Article: Beverly LaHaye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Looks alright citationwise. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Masters Tournament[edit]

Article: 2024 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Scottie Scheffler (pictured) wins the 2024 Masters Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The Masters is a recurring event, so I will nom it right away. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose the article is currently a bit of mess, IMHO. Much of it consists of large lists without clear/consistent citations - particularly the "criteria" section. The whole thing also just strikes me as somewhat oddly formatted. For example, there are italicized subheadings with no content underneath ["Thursday, April 11th"], even though content slightly further down pertains to parts of the tournament that happened on April 11th. With this being said, taking a brief glance at the 2023 Masters page, this does seems to be "par for the course" (pun intended) for past years tournaments as well - so I will defer if others don't think the formatting is an issue. FlipandFlopped 02:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article has very prose and is filled with tables, some of which lack citations. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose like a lot of golf articles that get nominated here, it has far too much detail on qualifying system, and very little prose on the actual event (2-3 sentences per round and none on the final round is too little). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the scorecard section also violates MOS:COLOUR, as it's using colours as the only way to display eagles, birdies, bogeys and double bogeys, in violation of the first bullet point of that MOS section. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposethe article is mostly a list of players taking the part in the tournament and some daily leader tables. Not enough prose to justify posting on ITN. --Bcp67 (talk) 17:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jalapeño: I feel as though this was a bit of an early SNOW close. Quite a few opposes were based on the quality of the article, which can (and hopefully will) be fixed. Might have jumped the gun with this one, my friend. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone the close. The Masters is on ITNR and can still be posted provided the article is updated appropriately. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are a total of 3 sentences in the article about the final round and/or Scheffler's win. Nosferattus (talk) 15:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing replacement : Red Sea crisis with Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war[edit]

Articles: Red Sea crisis (talk · history · tag) and Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article updated

Attacks have largely stopped and situation has largely cooled down in the red sea, and the spillover is more general. Probably Israel–Hamas war (spillover) Lukt64 (talk)

  • Neutral, leaning support Although the Red Sea situation has calmed down significantly from the past few months, it's still far from over. Technically, the crisis itself is a result of the spillover from the war, and as the war is starting to drag in other parties other than Hamas (mainly Iran), this could be a good nom, especially after the April 13 strikes - marking a clear escalation. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Twistedaxe. FlipandFlopped 02:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I once again oppose a stand-alone spillover item in Ongoing on account of the fact that said spillover is intrinsically linked to the war itself. However, I do think that like how we have items such as "War in Sudan (timeline)", perhaps we could do "Israel–Hamas war (spillover)". That I would be favorable to. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, didn't read the nomination comment. I'm a support to the above mentioned idea, though my comments on a distinct ongoing item still stand. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Broader scope, includes both the Red Sea Crisis which has been winding down (though still ongoing) and many other related ongoing events, including but not limited to the recent escalations between Israel and Iran. Target page receives updates any time another significant spillover event occurs. Very good suggestion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Was initially against this, but having the spillover in brackets next to the item would be a good option, especially as coverage and interest in the Red Sea Crisis has slowed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think it would be better of have something akin to Middle East crisis (Gaza, Red Sea, Iran-Israel) with better wording. I equate the OP to concluding that the Is attack in Russia was a spillover of the Syrian Civil War which seems to come across as pigeonholing. CheetasOnMission (talk) 10:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that we'd jump the gun to give the series of conflicts right now a new term. That's up to future historians, not us. Perhaps in 10 years this will be known as the "Middle Eastern Wars of the 2020s" but for now as per commonname, spillover would work PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Someone already suggested the idea of formatting it as "Israel-Hamas War (spillover)", and I think I agree with that idea, as it makes every relevant conflict related to it accessible on ITN without cluttering it via individual listing. If any mentioned conflict leads to something beyond the scope of being spillover, perhaps the formatting/labeling could then be changed, but for now, this should work. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 11:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal The Red Sea Crisis has somewhat winded down, and the article is no longer getting sufficient updates for ongoing, so we can remove it. However, I don't see a reason as of now to replace it will Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war, as that article has nowhere near the amount of updates needed for ongoing. Instead, we should replace with the Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) article, which has enough updates, but also seems to cover most of the topics in the scope of the Spillover article. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Great suggestion. Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) lists spillover events too but receives far more updates, so it's a very good choice for a target.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 Bundesliga[edit]

Article: 2023–24 Bundesliga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bayer Leverkusen won the Bundesliga for the first time (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Bayer Leverkusen win the Bundesliga.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

RD: Sergio Melnick[edit]

Article: Sergio Melnick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Tercera
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bedivere (talk) 04:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article is just 13 lines long. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article a bit short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • With only 181 words of prose, this wikibio is too stubby for ITN. Anything useable available from es:Sergio Melnick to help expand it? --PFHLai (talk) 22:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai Yes, the Spanish Wikipedia article looks good and has several sources. Unfortunately I can't help out with expanding, and it will be probably missed... Bedivere (talk) 03:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Ron Thompson (actor)[edit]

Article: Ron Thompson (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E0:EC3C:2013:6568 (talk) 05:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Theater, film and television sections have no sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lorenzo Palomo[edit]

Article: Lorenzo Palomo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABD de Cordobá
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Spanish conductor and composer who worked in Berlin for 38 years but composed always based on Andalusian roots. The article was an unsourced stub but is better now, and I'm convinced that a composer whose songs were performed by Montserrat Caballé in Carnegie Hall is worth mentioning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Faith Ringgold[edit]

Article: Faith Ringgold (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Will need to be updated. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think the article is ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good Lajmmoore (talk) 09:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Orange tag at the top needs to be addressed before it's ready, and skimming through the article I can see multiple cn tags. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iran retaliation[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following an attack on the Iranian embassy, Iran retaliates against Israel and the Israeli-linked MSC Aries. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In retaliation for an Israeli airstrike on the Iranian embassy in Damascus, Iran conducts missile and drone strikes against Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After an Israeli airstrike on the Iranian embassy in Damascus, Iran strikes back against Ramon Airbase.
News source(s): dronesship
Credits:

Article updated
STILL Ongoing, but someone will create an article or subsection as it is hardly 2 hours old.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does it, though? I see the IDF saying some drones will show up in several hours. Maybe they'll be shot down, like Palestinian missiles. That's how it's supposed to work. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Very likely, however the ship has already had reactions from katz, the WH and the uk.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just added the ship to the blurb.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the extent of this is the boarding of a ship, count me out. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not cool to title an article after strikes that haven't landed (and I've changed "Israel-linked" to "Portuguese" here for clarity). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, titling an article about something that is expected to happen as if it has happened surely violates at least some policies and guidelines. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Multiple RS are mentioning "israel-linked". bbcftreuters. it is not my added context. Further, the update has the same info on the page.37.252.94.105 (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said, it was for clarity, not to accuse you of making things up. Reliable sources also say it's a Portuguese ship and I think that's the part that can't be inferred from the blurb. Anything you add to this blurb will inherently be Israel/Israeli/Iran/Iranian-linked. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Until we know what their payload and targets are, and whether they actually strike (before Israel can shoot them down), this is an unclear situation. --Masem (t) 20:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Hasn't actually happened yet, so we need to wait to see if the strikes even occur in the first place. If they strike (or even if they don't hit but just get shot down) then definitely support. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ship is already in Iranian waters and india has reached out to Iranian diplomatic channels. [3]37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when it happens We should theoretically wait, but it's better to have the consensus ready for when it happens. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that was the point in the original comment37.252.94.105 (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Also, hundreds of cruise missiles are underway, and Iran is readying many dozens of ballistic missiles for firing. Apparently, the plan is to time the drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles such that they arrive at roughly the same time at the targets in Israel. Count Iblis (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the results of the impending cruise missile/drone attacks are more clear. Even if they are unsuccessful though, I still support an eventual blurb as even a failed strike of this magnitude is very likely to result in dramatic military escalations in the region. FlipandFlopped 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait to see what happens. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sufficiently significant even if the attacks are intercepted. This is, to my understanding, the first direct attack on Israel by a sovereign state since the '73 war. JDiala (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Inclined to support on notability but this news is as breaking as it gets.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Iran has now attacked and this attack is being televised and shown globally
NYMan6 (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heatrave (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Once we know the impact on Israel and western response, then 100% Support Roan314 (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support, It's Happening - For the last hour hundreds of Iranian drones and missiles have been flying over Israel. Israel is in a state of emergency, huge media attention, the U.S. is increasing its military readiness, this marks the first time Iran has directly attacked Israeli soil. This is textbook breaking news, and we should post this immediately. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to draw attention to Iran-Israel relations. Like a lot of 'relations' articles, the article is really poor quality. There is no information on Iran's involvement in the Gaza conflict, plus this event urgently needs to be added PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First attack of Iran on Israel in their proxy war which becomes a direct war. Givibidou (talk) 22:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't think any of the !votes here are saying that this may be too insignificant to be covered by ongoing, even if all the drones and other missiles laucnhed are intercepted, the attack would still be significant. We should however wait until we actually know what the attack ultimately is, and can update the article appropriaetly for this. --Masem (t) 23:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We know the nature of the attack. Iran, for the first time, launches a massive drone and missile barrage against Israel in retaliation for the embassy airstrike. Let's post this now, and any further information about loss of life, destruction, targets can be added when we have more info. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, because the article is not yet of quality until the event actually completes. We are not a news ticker, we can wait until ultimate damage occurs. Masem (t) 23:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support "This is the first direct military confrontation between the two countries since the beginning of the Iran–Israel conflict."

Oh shit, it's really happening. Bremps... 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: these attacks are real, there are sirens in Jerusalem and there have been missiles seen fired across the Middle East LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Blasts heard above Israel after Iran launches drone attack" per Guardian. Post immediately. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's been confirmed and is a major escalation. Banedon (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, does everything have to be posted immediately? Nothing, in terms of impact, is clear at this moment. ITN is not IT Breaking N. ---Sluzzelin talk 00:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Iran says the attack is concluded barring an Israel counter-attack. Not saying this doesn't likely change the reason to post this, but we should be considering posting soon now. --Masem (t) 01:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's saying the whole tit-for-tat has concluded, not the tat. But yeah, that includes the tat. I think it was handled pretty well, all things considered, and don't think anyone's to blame for where shrapnel lands; get well soon, little girl! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The attack ended and it is quite important of an escalation. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or a conclusion. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted A rough consensus appears to support posting and the article now appears to be adequate in quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article presents this as if it were WW3 with long lists of world leaders including Biden, Macron and Sunak. The reality seems to be that it was a lot of "sound and fury signifying nothing" as the Middle East has been a free fire zone for some time and this seems to be more of the same but with less impact than most. As it's just the latest round in an ongoing conflict, it would be better to have a more general entry such as Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war in Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Andrew Davidson, yes this feels quite similar to the response to the assassination of Soleimani (which in fairness we did post). Curbon7 (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We posted a composite blurb in that case: "After a U.S. airstrike kills Iranian general Qasem Soleimani (pictured), at least 56 people die in a stampede during his burial procession in Kerman, and Iranian forces attack two military bases in Iraq." This is another similar tit for tat. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: gotta love how wikipedians took 15 days to place this "on the news" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.244.136.69 (talk) 15:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What? This is the Iranian response from yesterday (that was posted after a few hours once the quality issues were fixed), the earlier Israeli airstrike was already posted when it happened. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the time I nominated it ;)37.252.95.10 (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Ongoing removal : Haitian crisis[edit]

Article: Haitian crisis (2018–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (12 April), Miami Herald (12 April), LA Times (12 April), ...
Article updated

Attacks have largely stopped and situation has largely cooled down. Lukt64 (talk)

  • Support removal This doesn't seem to be something that has near daily widespread coverage (compared to the Gaza or Ukraine conflicts). --Masem (t) 13:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What an odd claim. There is only one functioning hospital in the capital, women are dying in childbirth, schools, universities, hospitals and ships have been looted and burned in the last week, and kidnappings are reported daily (including the entire crew of a container ship). Most international papers (Le Monde, Toronto Star, BBC, Washington Post, etc.) reported on Haiti yesterday, since the Transitional Council was just officially created by decree *yesterday*. Currently, Sudan and Haiti are two of the largest humanitarian crises in the world. See above for three stories in the last day (I did not bother reporting *all* of the dozens of different sources reporting on the transitional council). As J. Charles says the situation today is one of [...] panic. You don’t know what every day is going to bring. You wake up and you hear the gunshots. People are telling me that when they don’t hear the gunfire, that’s when they start to panic and wonder what’s wrong, because it’s become such a constant for them now. Unfortunately, with the vandalism, the burning, and the looting of hospitals, it’s very difficult to get health care. source (12 April 2024)-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that it's probably too early to remove this, but if the current status quo continues for another few months, as awful as it is, I don't think it should be ongoing. So, Oppose, but we should re-evaluate the item in the next few months PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also. Haiti may be horrible, but gaza, ukraine and sudan is worse. Lukt64 (talk) 15:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it isn't really a competition. Bremps... 17:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal It has been ongoing for quite a long time now. Long ongoing events such as Yemen's (2014–) and Syria's (2012–) respective civil wars don't have a chance to be on the ITN template. And I agree that the Haitian crisis doesn't seem to have near daily widespread coverage compared to the situations in Ukraine or Gaza. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:2828:34A4:A394:A86F (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal Still ongoing (and tragic), but not in the dynamic sense which gives it widespread, daily coverage and makes it ITN-worthy. Yakikaki (talk) 22:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal per nom; article lacking significant recent updates over the past 7 days. SpencerT•C 22:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal per nom and above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal Article does seem to be having a fair amount of dates listed for the last week or so, but those updates don't seem to be that significant. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal given the recent formation of the Transitional Presidential Council yesterday. The situation is still developing. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed Stephen 22:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Stephen Respectfully, given that a new significant development of the crisis was just nominated as a blurb an hour ago, this might not have been the best moment to close the discussion. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) 2024 Bondi Junction stabbings[edit]

Article: 2024 Bondi Junction stabbings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A knife attack in Sydney, Australia, leaves seven people dead. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Article updated

Stephen 10:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait death of seven people in a attack is very notable but currently the article is nowhere near ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
trivial event by 2024 in the West, just look at the us where things like that happen daily in Chiraq Kasperquickly (talk) 13:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really think it's fair to compare routine gang violence to a mass murder incident targeting random civilians in a place where significant violent acts are extremely rare to begin with. Koiramainen (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The West" isn't a homogenous entity PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
except for if it didnt happen in the West, it wouldnt have even gotten nominated with just 7 deaths lol @PrecariousWorlds Kasperquickly (talk) 20:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a significant event. Mass casualty crime is extremely rare in Australia. Article quality is now adequate for posting and will improve as more information becomes available via ordinary editing and expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - no indication this will have a lasting impact. --RockstoneSend me a message! 17:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unfortunate event but given that there does not appear to be any tied to terrorism or other larger scheme, this is just a domestic crime. --Masem (t) 17:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A rare event to happen in Australia. Aircorn (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fairly high number of casualties and it's a very unusual event for Australia. Koiramainen (talk) 17:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This event is rare, is currently having a major impact on the country of Australia, and is being widely reported upon across the world. It is therefore "in the news"... that's enough. The section is called "in the news" and not "articles about events that Wikipedians speculate will have a lasting impact", for a reason... FlipandFlopped 17:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That logic is used all the time to refuse posting stories that take place in the US. Would we post a stabbing spree if it happened there? Probably not. So no reason we should post this. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 18:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A fair criticism, but for the record, if it was an American stabbing spree which was similarly rare in its nature, involved multiple deaths, and was generating global coverage, I personally would support it. FlipandFlopped 20:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A stabbing spree that kills 6 people in the US would be more unusual than a mass shooting that kills 6 people in the US. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You have to remember though that this basically never happens in Australia. Mass shootings and mass stabbings are very rare in Australia because of our strict gun laws and our strict knife laws. In America there is a mass shooting every two days. The last mass stabbing in Australia was in 2017. Schestos (talk) 23:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The issue is the lasting impact. We are far too quick to create articles on these types of events that ultimately fail NEVENT and only are created because of the burst of coverage. Unless there was a terrorism or similar angle to these attacks, it is unlikely to change Australian laws. — Masem (t) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - A sad event, but not of the level of notability of ITN. Would we ever post this if it wasn't in a Western country? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose per this logic, unless the motive indicates something that might make it have a wider impact such as terrorism I don't believe it should be posted. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If it made international news, yes. Schestos (talk) 23:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How convenient then that 90% of the sources we use to judge the "international-ness" of news are based in the US, UK, Western Europe, or Australia. AryKun (talk) 14:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While this does have a fairly high death count, the article as of now does not indicate this will have a lasting impact. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A stabbing spree that kills 6 people (the attacker was killed by a cop) is unusual & notable enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: this was a tragic moment and it is currently the top story in Australia. Special editions of Australian news programs are being aired and the stabbing has made international headlines since such an attack is very rare in Australia (this is the first mass stabbing in Australia since 2017).
Schestos (talk) 23:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm on the fence, but leaning toward support given the rarity of such an event in Australia and international reaction. I do agree that it may not have a lasting impact (which in itself is a WP:CRYSTALBALL discussion), but while I acknowledge that as an issue in terms of WP:GNG, this is not a deletion discussion, and I don't think that matters for ITN. Melmann 00:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not a deletion discussion, but our bar should be at least higher than GNG. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If there is an argument as to whether there should even be an article on the event due to lasting impact, then there really should be no question that it's inappropriate for ITN. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rockstone35 @Chaotic Enby Why? The purpose of ITN as far as I understand is to highlight the news-related content of enwiki. As there is no significant dispute around the veracity of the facts presented in the article, and the article is not currently being considered for deletion, why is ITN the right venue to adjudicate WP:GNG concerns?
    As I said, long term notability of this article is WP:CRYSTALBALL, but Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER, and there is no WP:DEADLINE, so why not simply wait to discuss WP:GNG concerns if an when they become evident, which they are not currently. Melmann 10:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While WP:DEADLINE is an essay pertaining to more general cases, there is absolutely a deadline if we're posting news-related items on the main page. That's how news work. And ITN's purpose is to highlight encyclopedic news-related content (we're not a news ticker), so if there's a doubt about the article being encyclopedic, it shouldn't be here. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t see why there’d be doubts about the article being encyclopedic. There are plenty of articles about less deadly attacks. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This is a notable event with coverage from many international news sources. It is also a rareity in Australia for an event like this to happen (compared to (for example) a shooting in the US or an incident in a non-western country)). HoHo3143 (talk) 04:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rare events are significant and notable, and are likely to have long-term significance. Article is comprehensive and well-written. Happily888 (talk) 07:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because it appears to be a crime with no geopolitical significance. Very sad event, but we routinely don't post news items with this range of casualties. Jehochman Talk 15:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- I removed the "ready" marking. There are 10 supports and 6 opposes -- hardly a consensus to post. --RockstoneSend me a message! 21:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Continued coverage on the event: "Bondi Junction stabbing offender Joel Cauchi diagnosed with schizophrenia at 17", ABC News, 17 April; "Sydney mall attacker may have targeted women, police say, as more details emerge of his six victims", CNN, 16 April; "The Sydney Mall Attack Was Horrifying. It Could Have Been Worse" , Time, 16 April; "Bondi Junction stabbing: French man who confronted attacker with bollard to receive permanent residency, The Guardian, 15 April. 15 of 18 attacked were women,[5] and authorities are investigating whether they were targeted.[6] We should post this as we would apparent targeting of those because of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. whether or not this is technically called by governments as terrorism.—Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Marking for decision. 3+ days of discussion should be enough to decide yea or nay.—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Worldwide coverage, article looks good and this appears to be an overall uncommon event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a significant enough crime to feature on ITN, in my opinion --TorsodogTalk 11:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

RD: Don Donoher[edit]

Article: Don Donoher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
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Basketball coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the article has a orange tag and multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transitional Presidential Council constituted[edit]

Article: Transitional Presidential Council (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Haiti prepares to temporarily transfer presidential powers to a collegial executive. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.lapresse.ca/international/caraibes/2024-04-12/haiti/le-conseil-presidentiel-de-transition-est-officiellement-cree.php
Credits:

Chetsford (talk) 21:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability if the Ongoing item is removed, Oppose otherwise. Added links in blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if the council takes power, the blurb should be updated as an ITN/R development. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support due to the ongoing item being removed. Lukt64 (talk) 22:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait It doesn't seem like the situation regarding the council is fully clear. The article says in the lead that it was "constituted" on 12 April, but it still has not been "established through appointment of its members and is not operative." I think we should at least wait until it is officially established, which the background section explicitly says has not yet happened. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the rationale in waiting. On the other hand, the newsworthiness of the council is merely the fact that it was constituted as even that simple step marks the culmination of nearly six months of negotiations. This is currently the leading story in all Haitian media. (Realistically, the council is probably never going to get off the ground and its eventual failure will be the fulcrum on which the further deterioration of the situation turns.) Chetsford (talk) 01:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, certainly the mere fact that the council is being constituted is being widely reported and is a big event. But it seems premature to post a blurb about it, when the blurb only says that Haiti "prepares" to form the council. In my mind, the main notability of this would be the council becoming the head of state. I think we should treat this like any other change in such a position, and not post until we actually know who, if anyone, will take up the new positions. Gödel2200 (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotta disagree here. We've known such a council was going to be created since Ariel Henry announced he was stepping down. This is no more notable than said announcement and will be less important than when it officially takes power. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. It will technically become ITNR only when the council takes power, but the formation itself is newsworthy now. The ultimate fate of the council - including whether it ever becomes "fully operative" - may take a long time to more clearly materialize; it could fall apart completely and spur another major development, or the next step after this might just be a symbolic/bureaucratic milestone that generates lesser coverage if all goes to plan. FlipandFlopped 02:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "As of 13 April 2024, it had yet to be established through appointment of its members and is not operative". Stephen 03:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait/Oppose. Said council has not taken power yet. Yes, it is in the news now. It will also be when the council takes power. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Subject is more thoroughly treated in the main article Haitian crisis (2018–present)#Transitional Presidential Council. The fork should list the members and should note that the Transitional Council has rejected the presidential decree. Surprisingly, neither entry mentions the opposition to foreign meddling. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 04:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"neither entry mentions the opposition to foreign meddling" It does have six paragraphs about that, but I suppose there's always room for more. "fork should list the members" There are no members to list. The propositional council had members. The council as legally constituted has no members. Chetsford (talk) 05:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, I did miss that you had included some foreign criticism (Kim Ives in Brooklyn, a Canadian activist) under domestic reaction. As you know, the Council has rejected the decree as modified by the lame duck government. The composition of the council has been reported on by multiple sources and should be included in the article. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 05:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. It sounds like you also missed domestic criticism in the domestic reaction section like Jacky Lumarque, Camille LeBlanc, etc. "The composition of the council has been reported on by multiple sources" It seems as though there's some confusion. The council as constituted (the subject of the article) has no members. The propositional council (also called Transitional Presidential Council) has nine members. The two are legally separate entities and, until the members of the latter are appointed to the former (not a sure thing) have no relational overlap other than their names are spelled the same. Chetsford (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The published decree does indeed include 9 members (as you correctly wrote in the entry), (all of whom reject the decree as published because it does not list the names of the representatives and adds requirements concerning accounting clearance). Will check back this evening to see if this has been updated. (I would much rather be able to support). -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I think you're being cheeky and I missed it so I'll just leave this note for the awareness of others and move on (but, if there actually is confusion, I'd be happy to discuss it at the article Talk page). The decree does not include nine members. It includes provision for nine members. The TPC that is the subject of this article is a body with no actual members that was created on April 12. The TPC to which you're referring is a legally separate body that has nine members who earnestly expect to be appointed to the former body to fill its nine vacant slots. But per CRYSTALBALL we can't list members of a board based merely on the confidence of candidates they'll be appointed to it anymore than we could list Keir Starmer as the PM of the UK because he's really confident he'll win the next election. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 15:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should definitely not confuse "cheekiness" with rigor. There is a history to the Transitional Council which should be identified. There were nine names set out, as documented in the parent article. That they were not validated by the outgoing government is, in itself, part of the story of the TC. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I didn't mean to suggest anything untoward, I just thought you were being jocular. Again, this is an article on a body that was legally constituted three days ago, whereas the TPC to which you're referring is a body of the same name that conjured itself into existence in March to advise the creation of the regularized body (and whose members are making a political claim to also being the April TPC, which may be the source of the confusion). Not sure how better to explain it, but happy to continue discussion at the article's Talk page if there's still incertitude. Sorry again if I misinterpreted you. Chetsford (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) AMIA bombing ruling[edit]

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Article: AMIA bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Argentinian court rules that Iran was responsible for the 1994 bombing of a Jewish Community Center in Argentina, and characterizes Iran as a terrorist state (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html
Credits:
BilledMammal (talk) 06:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article has only three sentences about this update, and doesn't actually describe the implications this will have. If this is just a ruiling, and won't actually bring about any changes, then I don't think it is significant enough (even though Iran is being labelled as a terrorist state). Gödel2200 (talk) 13:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gödel2200: I've expanded the article; it also declares the attack a crime against humanity, and it allows families of the victims to pursue cases against Iran in the ICC by ruling that states who finance and plan terror attacks can be held responsible for them even if the attack itself is carried out by a non-state actor. BilledMammal (talk) 14:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Good faith nom but not really that notable in the grand scheme of things. Unless this ruling actually causes any diplomatic or geopolitical consequences then it isn't that significant (per Gödel2200). TwistedAxe [contact] 23:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Could reconsider if there are further diplomatic consequences. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - little to no practical consequence here, and barely "news" given the actual event happened, checks watch, thirty years ago. nableezy - 11:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - relevant in view of the latest Iranian attack on Israel. Do I need to explain? Vegan416 (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Eleanor Coppola[edit]

Article: Eleanor Coppola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Wife of Francis Ford Coppola and filmmaker herself. Several unsourced paragraphs. Masem (t) 02:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the article needs more sources particularly the filmography section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Her career, filmography and early life have long stretches without citations. Bremps... 17:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Roberto Cavalli[edit]

Article: Roberto Cavalli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 20:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very famous designer, but there are many citation needed templates, so this needs to be addressed. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose missing key section about his shutting down his North America business, that was added w/ copyvio.Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Robert MacNeil[edit]

Article: Robert MacNeil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) B.O.A.T. cause established[edit]

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Proposed image
Article: GRB 221009A (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Brightest Of All Time (pictured) was caused by an exploding star but heavy elements are missing (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Researchers find that the Brightest Of All Time (pictured) was caused by a supernova, but lacks the expected heavy elements.
News source(s): BBC; Nature Astronomy
Credits:

Article needs updating
I missed the news about the B.O.A.T. at the time and I don't recall ITN covering it. This was off-the-scale huge, making the eclipse seem quite insignificant. A peer-reviewed analysis has been published and there seem to be two significant findings. One is that it was caused by a supernova, which wasn't established before. And, second, that there was surprising lack of heavy elements produced by this big bang. We seem to have work to do to reflect this. But, as there are often calls to wait for peer-reviewed analysis of such science, here's an opportunity to follow up. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - this is interesting, but the time to have posted it was when it happened... two years ago. --RockstoneSend me a message! 18:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as these results are quite inconclusive. But Rockstone is wrong: the story here is the findings, which were released recently, not the BOAT itself. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Maybe unorthodox, but I always like to see more scientific discoveries featured on ITN. The blurb should make it clear that the news is the publishing of the peer-reviewed results. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Don't see this information in question included in the target article, and even if it were, information regarding potential implications of such would be nice as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see this fundamentally changing the understanding of astrophysics, and Earth witnessed the event 2 years ago. I would recommend if this could be DYK to be posted there. --Masem (t) 18:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support given that 1) the information is included in the target article and 2) the absolute magnitude of the event is included within the relevant spectra. High encyclopedic value with the timeliness element, and of interest to a significant proportion of our readers. Not all ITN-newsworthy events are crimes, wars, political and sporting events, or life-threatening geological disasters. 142.117.133.114 (talk) 22:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Should be DYN. Didgogns (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting, but better suited for DYK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Because the word "All" in the name "Brightest Of All Time" is just plain stupid. HiLo48 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's how it is called in sources, that wasn't made up for the blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's irrelevant who uses the word, it's inane. HiLo48 (talk) 10:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether you like the name or not shouldn't be an argument to post/not post. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, it is. It's a stupid, unprovable claim. We should not post stupid, unprovable claims. HiLo48 (talk) 22:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are entitled to your own opinion but it is referred to as "Brightest Of All Time" in [7] scientific literature that concluded it was the "brightest ever detected by the measures of peak flux and fluence"]. And regardless, we should refer to everything by its WP:COMMONNAME. Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That link doesn't work. And "Brightest Of All Time" is not the same as ""brightest ever detected by the measures of peak flux and fluence". HiLo48 (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Link fixed. And what's the difference between the two? As far as I'm concerned, it's the brightest we as humans have ever been able to detect, which to me is certiainly significant... Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, but it's not what the blurb says. HiLo48 (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How does, "Researchers find that the brightest and most energetic gamma-ray burst ever recorded was caused by a supernova, but lacks the expected heavy elements" sound? Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Much better. HiLo48 (talk) 07:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose While I'd argue that it's at least as notable as the eclipse, it is more suitable for DYK, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As people keep saying this, note that articles qualify for DYK by being new, expanded fivefold or passing a GA review. None of these apply and so the suggestion is irrelevant. The topic does however qualify for ITN because it’s in the news — that’s where I noticed it. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There currently aren't any mentions of this update in the article. So, without knowledge of what implications this finding might have, it seems premature to post this to ITN. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Gordon Balser[edit]

Article: Gordon Balser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian politician and educator The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose although the article is sourced enough, it is bit short and there is no information about his life between 2003 and 2024. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A short wikibio with only 236 words of prose. Anything more to write about this guy? Perhaps what he did while in office (and between shuffles)? --PFHLai (talk) 21:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 11[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Anna-Greta Leijon[edit]

Article: Anna-Greta Leijon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/anna-greta-lejon-ar-dod
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Swedish politician. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 23:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article meet the bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Park Bo-ram[edit]

Article: Park Bo-ram (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korean Herald, The Korea Times
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240F:7A:6253:1:FCE8:2031:6457:A266 (talk) 04:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the article is filled with various tags and is no way near even ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) British Academy Games Awards[edit]

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Article: 20th British Academy Games Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 20th British Academy Games Awards, Baldur's Gate 3 wins Best Game. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, NME
Credits:

Article updated
The Wikipedia consensus has been to post The Game Awards results only. However, previous discussion on The Game Awards nomination threads has suggested that the gaming BAFTA's would be more appropriate. As such, for the sake of discussion, I am nominating this item. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem with the BAFTAs is that while I, speaking as a WP:VG editor, would consider them more presidgious than the Game Awards, it lacks the same coverage and viewership as the Game Awards. Even in the gaming media, the number of articles covering the BAFTAs is extremely small compared to what I see for the Game Awards.
    Regardless of that, the article has several issues like unsourced quotes, no section on the ceremony, etc. — Masem (t) 19:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Per Masem PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both on significance and article quality. The article has a couple of BBC sources which seem reasonably routine, and the rest are primary sources. This means the article is not good enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY, but also helps re-affirm the position that ITN worthy levels of coverage probably isn't there for this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The Game Awards are fine. We don't need any more gaming awards and, to my knowledge, these awards are not in fact more noteworthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in Principle - Received good coverage (I followed it on the BBC) and substantially more independent than the Game Awards. However, the article needs some work, as noted above. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability the BAFTAs are very popular wards therefore they are pretty notable but the article needs some work like mentioned above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Not sure on notability yet, but the article doesn't seem to have any prose about the event itself (though there is a good amount of prose for the leadup to it). There are also a few unsourced statements, and there are unsourced sections for games with multiple awards and nominations. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Fritz Peterson[edit]

Article: Fritz Peterson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support and ready to be posted the article is very well sourced and there is a no apparent issue. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I was going to post, but the exact death date is not in the cited source. The New York Times wrote on April 13: "Neither announcement said when or where he died or cited a cause."[9] @Muboshgu: Courtesy ping.—Bagumba (talk) 06:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bagumba, revised. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Muboshgu: Should the lead and ibx say "c. April 2024"? There's no guarantee how long the family waited before making this public.—Bagumba (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bagumba, yes, you're right. Circa added. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bagumba, boy were you right on that one. Look what I just found: Peterson died of lung cancer at his home in Winona, Minnesota, on Oct. 19, according to death records from the Winona County Vital Records Department. His body was cremated. News of his death began to emerge Friday with an announcement by Northern Illinois, his alma mater, which erroneously said he was 82. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Anecdotally, this seems to be something that's become more and more common (perhaps not to this extent), but news releases giving very little specific details as to when the death occurred and merely stating that the person has died. Connormah (talk) 00:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will pay more attention to that in the future. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not singling you or anyone out, just a general observation! It is good that high-quality sources like AP, NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, Globe and Mail (and other newspapers of record), etc. are usually quite thorough. Connormah (talk) 00:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh believe me I didn't take your comment personally. It's a good reminder for everybody to read through the details. That includes "X has died" vs. "X died on Y date". – Muboshgu (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Truong My Lan conviction[edit]

Article: Trương Mỹ Lan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Truong My Lan is sentenced to death for a massive banking fraud in Vietnam. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Truong My Lan is sentenced to death for a banking fraud in Vietnam.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article updated

"...the largest corruption scandal in Southeast Asia's history." Andrew🐉(talk) 12:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - Literally one sentence in the article about the decision. Doesn't appear to be that notable either. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The verdict is the culmination of the trial and the article has several paragraphs about this. As for notability, note that Bernie Madoff was posted at ITN three times for a fraud on a similar scale. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there is one sentence about the decision (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 14:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Death sentence and scale of embezzlement seem notable Belugsump (talk) 18:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support given the scale of the event. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, is this on ITN because of her execution? this blurb send the vibe that execution is a rare thing in Vietnam. If the "biggest fruad" in southeastern of Asia is true then we might need an altblurb. 3000MAX (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The idea that she's getting a death sentence for executing the biggest fraud in southeastern Asia is blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm not seeing the notability in the sentencing itself. Yes, it is a death sentence, but the article does not indicate it is that notable. The event that the sentence was for happened nearly two years ago, so that is stale now. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Capital punishment in Vietnam says "Between August 6, 2013 and June 30, 2016, Vietnam executed 429 people." More recent figures are not shown. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC) p.s. I'm not sure we would want to post news about criminal activities before the trial has concluded and in many countries that can take a long time.[reply]
Support This is bigger than FTX in terms of money swindled, and we posted the SBF conviction last year. Bremps... 16:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A government sanctioned death sentence for a financial crime and the scale of the financial crime is very notable. If the crime itself wasn't on ITN when it was committed, this should be. Berry (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Have to disagree with the seemed consensus (if narrow so far). Yes, we should have covered the crime itself (though, interestingly, I can't find an article for it in spite of supposedly how large it was), but that doesn't mean we post a smaller update to compensate. Conviction is a big thing, but manner of sentencing is a very personal thing, IMO, and not really suitable for ITN. That capital punishment for white collars crimes is rare shouldn't be relevant - that seems to be bordering on trivia. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative support but oppose on article quality If this was a similar event or crime in the western world, we'd likely have a 5000-word article if not more about it. I don't expect a similar size here, but there absolutely must be more about the details of the crimes and the trial before we can post this, as otherwise right now, the article nowhere matches the intensity implied by the blurb. --Masem (t) 18:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability I don't think I have ever heard about death penalty in a fraud case so I think it is a blurb worthy item but sadly the article is not fit to be posted yet. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per Masem and PrinceofPunjab. FlipandFlopped 20:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Akebono Tarō[edit]

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Article: Akebono Tarō (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Akebono Tarō, the first non-Japanese-born wrestler ever to reach yokozuna, the highest rank in sumo, dies at age 54. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP NYT Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • Support, article does have one orange tag but is in a section, and seems written well enough (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Orange tagged and generally needs more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 13:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose blurb who? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For someone who is quite active at the ITN/C, you seems to have forgotten WP:ITNCDONT. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The First Gaijin Yokozuna of Any Age, that's who. But yeah, the death itself is not a story. And the article is too poorly written right now for a Photo RD (which aren't popular, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Orange tag needs to be solved and update on death is not significant enough to warrant featuring I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A fairly well-written article, and recent changes suggest that it is no longer a stub. - OtharLuin (talk) 09:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Simply being the first non-Japanese sumo champion is not really an indication of being a major figure in that field. And from reading, he was good but nowhere close to the greatest figures within Sumo history. RD is fine here. --Masem (t) 18:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm just going to take the time to respond to what seems to be a not very well informed and poor take... Only one sumo wrestler out of 400 reaches the rank of yokozuna, and even though Akebono is not the most successful in terms of results, the simple fact that he is the first non-Japanese-born wrestler to reach that rank makes him a leading figure in the sport. The news of his death continues to generate a ton of reactions two days after the announcement, and caused a sensation in the specialised press (see Nikkan Sports, Tokyo Sports, Sports Hochi) when the international press reports the death of "a legend" or "a pioneer" (see The Japan Times, CBS Sports, The Guardian) - OtharLuin (talk) 07:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb (provisionally). I have to agree, too many ill-informed "who?" comments here. To get to the top of a sport and be the first non-native to do it is very much an achievement as well as being able to branch out into other combat sports/sports entertainment endevours I think is worthy of a blurb. However, I clarify my support is only provisional based on the article getting more sourcing but I definately think he is notable enough at the top of his field for blurb. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Looks to me to a similar case as Sidney Poitier, who was blurbed. Article looks fine. Orange tag mainly refers to his post-sumo wrestling career - a quick fix could be to just delete the unsubstantiated parts of that. So overall worthy of a blurb, and it would be nice for once to feature a non-Western sport on ITN. Khuft (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral on blurb Certainly a notable person and a unique achievement — being a yokozuna, and the first foreign-born one at that, he was definitely at the top of his field. Unfortunately, might not be enough of a household name to be blurbed, and the meaning of the achievement might not be obvious to most readers. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose blurb, support RD Although I am very sympathetic to the arguments that he is a major figure in his field and his death is objectively 'in the news', a lot of the current death articles in major sources are very brief obituaries. In the case of Sidney Poitier mentioned by Khuft above, he was continuously ITN because he appeared at the Oscars, centres were being named after him, etc, in the decade preceding his death - and there was a lot more substantive coverage of his life/legacy beyond just mere news obituaries. In the case of OJ Simpson, you can also see this greater degree of "buzz" around the major highlights of his life being discussed, as opposed to just brief obits. By contrast, I'm not seeing much of that sort of content in the article -- in fact most of the content for the past decade are just local Japanese-language sports articles and periodic updates about his health. However, if the article were updated accordingly I could change my vote. FlipandFlopped 20:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs more sources. It seems there is a good bit of unreferenced content in this bio, including (by my count) 13 paragraphs that need additional citations (even if not all are cn-tagged) and several tables that may need sources. I also don't think this is blurb-level; doesn't seem to be near as well-known a figure as O. J. Simpson, for example. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Was marked "Ready", but still multiple unsourced sections.—Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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