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March 31

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(Posted) RD: James A. Redden

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Article: James A. Redden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Portland Tribune
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Nominator's comments: American judge & politician, District of Oregon Chief Judge. Non-COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Pape Diouf

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Article: Pape Diouf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: President of Marseille Football club dies of coronavirus Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Abdul Halim Khaddam

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Article: Abdul Halim Khaddam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Huron Daily Tribune
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian politician, Vice President of Syria and interim President. Non-COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gita Ramjee

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Article: Gita Ramjee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Top news on BBC. Sadly, the article was created recently. Covid-19 related. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Wallace Roney

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Article: Wallace Roney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Covid19 death, noted worldwide. Still some things to source, but article is almost there after a lot of work (not by me, by others!). Fram (talk) 09:03, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) US offers Venezuela power-sharing deal

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Article: Negotiations during the Venezuelan crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States proposes a new diplomatic solution to the Venezuelan presidential crisis, suggesting a power-sharing deal between government factions in the country. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Alt blurbs and anyone who can identify the ref issues will be appreciated Kingsif (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Pierre Bénichou

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Article: Pierre Bénichou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde, Archyde
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French Journalist, Columnist Manish2542 (talk) 09:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Reimar Lüst

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Article: Reimar Lüst (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Max Planck Society
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German astrophysicist, Max Planck Society president, European Space Agency director general. - Indefensible (talk) 18:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dab? You're referring to the Dortmunder Actien Brauerei, nicht?Sca (talk) 14:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James T. Goodrich

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Article: James T. Goodrich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Natureium (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the uncited statement. TJMSmith (talk) 18:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 30

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(Closed) Amazon warehouse protests

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Article: Amazon (company) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Workers protest at Amazon warehouses in the US and Europe over safety policies; one protest organizer in New York is fired by the company. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Weak nom, vaguely interesting company news. Dedicated article section at Amazon_(company)#Employee_protests_during_Covid-19 Kingsif (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joachim Yhombi-Opango

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Article: Joachim Yhombi-Opango (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro (French)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Congolese president & prime minister. COVID-19. - Indefensible (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Indefensible! TJMSmith (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lorena Borjas

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Article: Lorena Borjas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Advocate
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican/American transgender rights activist. COVID-19. - Indefensible (talk) 02:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arianne Caoili

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Article: Arianne Caoili (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Public Radio of Armenia, chess24
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino/Australian Chess Woman International Master. - Indefensible (talk) 02:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs editor attention) Viktor Orbán rule by decree in Hungary

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Article: Viktor Orbán (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is authorized by parliament to rule by decree indefinitely (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is authorized by parliament to rule by decree indefinitely
News source(s): CNN, Politico, DW, Washington Post, Business Insider
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Related to the coronavirus pandemic, but is more connected to the general shift towards authoritarianism under Orbán. A very significant focal point in that regard, and will have profound impacts on Hungarian politics. Articles needs updating and check for quality. ― Hebsen (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Lots of countries have been imposing decrees and states of emergency which have been criticised as threats to liberty. This doesn't seem very different and the article hasn't been updated. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I want to support this - it's a huge victory for right wing authoritarianism - but the target is orange tagged and there is no update. Maybe COVID-19 in Hungary is a better target? Is anyone contesting this (I smell a constitutional crisis brewing). --LaserLegs (talk) 11:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Hungarian political machinations, however ominous they may sound, generally lack wider significance. (Blurb lacks period.)Sca (talk) 14:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not... "oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." --LaserLegs (talk) 14:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Going to the infallible rule book again, are we? Use your head. The item is of scant interest to a majority of Eng.-lang. readers, esp. in the current news environment. – Sca (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How did you make that determination? 331dot (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I used my head. It's chock full of empirical guidance. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Did you survey all English speakers in the world? I wasn't called. Seriously, what was your guidance? 331dot (talk) 14:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
AUT TACE AUT LOQUERE MELIORA SILENTIO.Sca (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the merits. A legislative body voting to surrender its authority with no end date is unusual. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As noted, we haven't actually got any content on the issue at hand. Nigej (talk) 16:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on merit, oppose on quality the "indefinite" part is the newsworthy item, however there are quite a few uncited paragraphs and a lot of citation needed tags, and an orange tag. Also, it hasn't been duly updated for this event. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 16:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and suggest alt-blurb - A formerly democratic European country sliding to dictatorship is a big fucking deal. That said, Victor Orban isn't the best target - I suggest instead 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Hungary#State of emergency. Rami R 17:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, agree with above that the target should be changed from Orban Kingsif (talk) 18:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Week oppose This seems like yet another coronavirus article we're highlighting, and we have a permalink in the ITN box for a reason, to avoid incremental and local updates on the issue, which would overwhelm the ITN box. --Jayron32 18:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't feel there's much point to ITN if we don't occasionally highlight coronavirus related events - the permalink doesn't really cover everything, and completely ignoring individual events feels like we're ignoring the elephant in the room (think banner blindness). More specifically, it's very easy to miss local developments from the permalinks - local developments which nonetheless have global implications, such as these Hungarian developments. Rami R 18:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Every country in the world is doing something unprecedented and with long-term and global implications. Hungary is not particularly unique or unusual in this regard. While every single country may be doing different unprecedented things, they're all doing something which would be unusual, noteworthy, or maybe even outrageous in normal times. These are not normal times, and while not every country is responding in exactly the same way Hungary is, they are all doing something to which your argument could be applied. --Jayron32 18:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    COVID is just a pretext; this has been in the offing for years. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That's as maybe. I can see he has dictatorial tendencies but its not our business to prejudge. Nigej (talk) 21:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Right, my point is, I think that just because there's some COVID aspect doesn't mean it should automatically be relegated to the COVID pages and barred from ITN. At some level we're always judging whether something is "newsworthy enough" for ITN. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 23:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a big deal independent of the pandemic and isn't "just another country's response" . It is a)an indefinite state of emergency b)voluntarily granted by the legislature c)in a western country with a track record (admittedly not the best; if this were the US we probably would have already posted it by now) of liberal democracy. Also, I do highly suspect that Orban's been planning this for a while and is using the pandemic as a reason, but it'd be nice to get a reliable source to that effect; if we do that's all the more justification to post this (EDIT: to show significance outside of the pandemic, not to right great wrongs on Orban's behavior). (In retrospect this is a bit harsh.) – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:29, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • That said, I do not agree with Rami's argument that we should disregard the banner and post stories better suited for it willy nilly per IAR. While we'd all agree that this would be blurb-worthy without the pandemic, my argument is that even with it it's still a significant episode of democratic backslide. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb; the "indefinite rule by decree" part is unusual and ITN-worthy independent of the coronavirus pandemic, but the article on Orban still needs cleanup. Titoxd(?!?) 21:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 22:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb. Hungary is not a banana republic. It is a member of the EU and it just became a de-facto dictatorship. This is a highly significant event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A parliament approves an indefinite state of emergency in response to a crisis of indefinite duration. I would support if it spices up and the EU imposes some sanction(s) against Hungary but it is a little underwhelming at the moment considering many other governments are exercising emergency powers. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The pandemic isn't particularly of an "indefinite duration"; most think that it'll largely be over by the summer and most states of emergency (at least in the US) end at that time. Even if it goes on longer the standard practice is to have a sunset clause that can be renewed if need be, something that the opposition in Hungary wanted but which was rejected by the government. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am unsure why this article should be blurbed given the already-special attention given to COVID-19 in ITN. The notion that this is somehow out of the ordinary for these times is just not true. Germany has banned export of PPE, France has seized pharmaceuticals and banned them from export, every single EU state has imposed some sort of movement/expression/gathering prohibitions. All of these fly in the face of long-established (and once dearly defended) priciples of the EU, and could reasonable be characterized as "sliding to dictatorship". And they're all also covered in the COVID-19 ongoing special box.130.233.2.31 (talk) 05:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Enough with this false equivalency: France and Germany did not suspend parliament and cancel elections. No EU member has done this other than Hungary. Rami R 07:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Whenever a democracy suspends elections, no matter where they are, it is notable. This in particular is a brazen power grab that should be broadcasted to many people. Swordman97 talk to me 16:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant political development amid the COVID outbreak. Gotitbro (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Rami and 331dot. ——SN54129 17:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wanted to post this, but there's still sourcing issues on Orban's article. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, sadly. I have been through Orbán article and added citation needed templates to all the claims that were unreferenced. We cannot post it unless those are fixed, especially because it is a BLP. Honestly, I don't think we can fix it before this going stale. ― Hebsen (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Orbans article has more orange banners than ever and bold or not we can't link to a BLP vio from the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would like to know which elections have actually been cancelled. The next scheduled elections are for 2022. The same for referendums. Even if the bolded article were better quality, we would still have to find some reason why this rises above the content in the already-very-prominent COVID-19 banner.130.233.3.161 (talk) 07:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: rm attention needed. While there does appear to be consensus in favor of posting, concerns about the target article remain. SpencerT•C 14:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Spencer, that's why I had put "needs attention" there, not "ready". It needs editor attention, not admin. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah I see, I've gone ahead and re-added it. I'm so used to seeing those tags be used to get an admin's attention. SpencerT•C 15:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen

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Article: The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Vincent van Gogh's painting The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen (pictured) is stolen from the Singer Laren museum in the Netherlands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen (pictured), a painting by Vincent van Gogh, is stolen in the Netherlands.
News source(s): (Artnet news), AP, BBC, Reuters, DW (Eng.)
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Both articles updated

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Van Gogh: VW


  • Post-Posting Comment – I'm guarding my own rather obscure Van Gogh (left) – and my remaining rolls of TP – with my life. In the present crisis, both must be considered priceless. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Hau Pei-tsun

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Article: Hau Pei-tsun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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 Ythlev (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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March 29

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(Posted) RD: Francis Rapp

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Article: Francis Rapp (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DNA.fr, Archyde
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French historian, Knight of the Legion of Honour. Died from COVID-19. - Indefensible (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Philip Warren Anderson

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Article: Philip Warren Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Santa Fe Institute, Physics World
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American physicist, Nobel laureate. - Indefensible (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Ken Shimura

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Article: Ken Shimura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Japanese comedian. COVID related. Article needs several sourcing fixes. Masem (t) 05:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Isaac Robinson

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Article: Isaac Robinson (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Crain's Detroit, SFGate
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Suspected COVID-19 death DannyS712 (talk) 03:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article is short but well referenced DannyS712 (talk) 03:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article isn't high quality enough. His unremarkable tenure has lead to there not being anything to add to his page besides minor personal life details and some bills that he created during his short tenure. I am currently the main contributor to the article and I have spent hours looking for sources to expand this article and I found barely anything excluding the endless amounts of articles from two days ago at max restating the same information. - Jon698 (talk) 20:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article has large gaps in coverage which makes it ineligible for quality reasons for the main page. --Jayron32 18:23, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you able to prove a negative? This individual apparently meets WP:N but yet his career (with all due respect etc etc) appears to be completely unremarkable. If you can find bits that are missing from the coverage, could you point to them? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not quite sure why this article is attracting such spurious opposition; it is not a stub and it is sourced, so it meets RD standards.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. As Muboshgu said, the policy is that all state legislators meet GNG. I agree with this policy, and editors who disagree should take it up at the appropriate place. There's not much that can be said about one year as a first-term legislator that isn't already in the article. What's there is of good quality and is thus ready for RD. Davey2116 (talk) 20:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert H. Garff

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Article: Robert H. Garff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KUTV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Utah TJMSmith (talk) 02:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Diffie

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Article: Joe Diffie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 -Thechased (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alan Merrill

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Article: Alan Merrill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BestClassicBands, RockMyWorld
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician. Article has a couple cn tags currently but otherwise should be good, will try to ref or remove as needed. - Indefensible (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Krzysztof Penderecki

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Article: Krzysztof Penderecki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Guardian, Reuters, DW (Eng.)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Polish composer and conductor, works have appeared in many modern films such as the Shining and Exorcist. I spotted one CN tag but otherwise well sourced. Masem (t) 15:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Non-COVID related death --Masem (t) 20:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Already a class B/C article. sentausa (talk) 15:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Could use a citation for the paragraph He was an Honorary Member of and for some in the awards list. RD is a little backed up right now so maybe post tomorrow after improvements? Otherwise we can drop Michael Sorkin off the list but I just added it a few minutes ago. Kees08 (Talk) 16:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs refs. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb on Principle oppose on quality. He was one of the greatest living composers of classical music at his death. Here is Reuters calling him "one of the world's most celebrated composers;" and this is the Hamburg Philharmonic calling him "one of the greatest living composers of classical music." Similar claims are being made on his obits today. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on quality as NorthernFalcon wrote above; Oppose blurb. This is the issue that highly described subjects have; the more content there is, the more there is to maintain at the same quality level and therefore the more potential tripwires there are. - Indefensible (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    What I see now: the awards are almost completely referenced (5 or so missing, which could probably be dropped). The use in films is not referenced yet, but all these films have articles, so it shouldn't be too difficult, and I believe whether his music was used in films or not really doesn't make him any greater. The section about the St Luke Passion is little referenced, but it has its own article and doesn't need detailed treatment in the composer's article. What else? - Btw, once upon a time the article had a decent infobox ;) - We faced the same sourcing problems for Jessye Norman, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Support - Looks good enough now even with a couple cn tags per updated referencing as Gerda Arendt wrote. - Indefensible (talk) 21:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Some work needed to get it up to speed, but should be easy enough to fix before posting. RD ONLY, OPPOSE BLURB. Not a big enough individual to warrant a blurb. (and why the continued obsession to mention IBs? why, oh why, oh why...) - SchroCat (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Throwing my Oppose blurb as nominator. I don't believe he rises to that level based on the NYTimes article. --Masem (t) 20:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – RD only. Not widely known enough in Eng.-speaking world for blurb. – Sca (talk) 21:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Referencing has improved. Spengouli (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support referencing has improved and will improve some more. Very significant composer. Krzysztof Eugeniusz Penderecki (Polish: [ˈkʂɨʂtɔf pɛndɛˈrɛt͡skʲi]; 23 November 1933 – 29 March 2020) was a Polish composer and conductor. Among his best known works are Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima, Symphony No. 3, his St. Luke Passion, Polish Requiem, Anaklasis and Utrenja. Penderecki composed four operas, eight symphonies and other orchestral pieces, a variety of instrumental concertos, choral settings of mainly religious texts, as well as chamber and instrumental works. Levenson, Eric (March 29, 2020). "Krzysztof Penderecki, composer of works in 'The Exorcist' and 'The Shining,' dies at 86". CNN. 7&6=thirteen () 01:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Well referenced. The "Use in film" section would benefit from more citations, but it is uncontroversial content. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks like the cn tags were addressed. Great work. TJMSmith (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This one is Ready to go, I think. Hopefully will be posted soon. - Indefensible (talk) 05:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted --qedk (t c) 07:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 28

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(Posted) RD: David Schramm

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Article: David Schramm (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Nominator's comments: Best known for role on the TV show Wings but also a theater actor. No cause of death given. Article in surprising decent shape. Masem (t) 23:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jan Howard

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Article: Jan Howard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennessean
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Nominator's comments: American musician and author. - Indefensible (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thomas Schäfer

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Article: Thomas Schäfer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DW (German)
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Nominator's comments: German politician, Minister of Finance for Hesse - Indefensible (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Coburn

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Article: Tom Coburn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sputnik
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Nominator's comments: He was indeed a public figure that has been revered by many Americans. RekishiEJ (talk) 15:51, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Azam Khan (squash player)

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Article: Azam Khan (squash player) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Geo News
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Nominator's comments: He won the British Open four times between 1959 and 1962. RekishiEJ (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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March 27

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(Posted) RD: Robert Campbell

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Article: Robert Campbell (California politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): East Bay Times
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Nominator's comments: American politician - Indefensible (talk) 04:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joseph Lowery

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Article: Joseph Lowery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: Civil rights leader – Muboshgu (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Daniel Azulay

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Article: Daniel Azulay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): band.com.br (Portuguese), Globo.com (Portuguese)
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian artist. - Indefensible (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Les Hunter

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Article: Les Hunter (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Nominator's comments: American professional athlete, restaurant owner, and community college teacher. - Indefensible (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) North Macedonia joins NATO

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Article: North Macedonia–NATO relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: North Macedonia joins NATO after a year-long negotiations process. (Post)
News source(s): DW
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Nominator's comments: First enlargement of NATO for years. A bit of non-COVID news for a change. EternalNomad (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This. NATO, NASA, EU, UK, US, are the abbreviations I'd expect any English reader should be familiar with (though linking will always help). --Masem (t) 21:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@QEDK: Generally, purely decorative elements like flags or logos are not posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me to change it. A map also showing North America would be better IMHO, as it is misleading to focus only on Europe, but I don't have strong opinions either way.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is one of those cases where if we were tired of looking at that politician we should drag up and image from RD. The Macedonian flag doesn't offer any value for our readers, and a highlighted map of NATO wouldn't do great condensed into the box. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The guidelines you linked above also suggest no maps, as they are hard to discern at small size. Stephen 11:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen, Amakuru, and LaserLegs: I don't see any options which are not maps (treaty parties, enlargement, NATO members) or flags (NATO/North Macedonia), all listed in order of decreasing relevance. Both flags and the enlargement map are protected and good-to-go. --qedk (t c) 15:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So then put Matovic back or get a suitable image from RD. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The flag does seem inappropriate. It conveys no real visual information. (Also, my first association was the WWII Japanese war flag.)
Sca (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would it not be appropriate to use the NATO flag or map of member states (with North Macedonia now included)? The image is now back to Mr. Matovič, but his news item was a week ago already and the nomination is not even on the page anymore. - Indefensible (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think File:History of NATO enlargement.svg works in a small size. If there is clear map of NATO members (without all the different colours which will be hard to interpret without the key) that would be good. Otherwise I have added Joseph Lowery to the protected list. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A NATO map without Canada and the United States is not a NATO map. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any comments on this one? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Not sure what country that is in South America? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC))[reply]
French Guiana --LaserLegs (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added two maps to WP:CMP the one linked above with all countries, which has weird lines (I'm guessing it links it to the mainland, but it just looks bad). The other one is the North Macedonia highlighted among NATO countries (leaves out French Guiana but looks better imo) which I've placed right below it. --qedk (t c) 13:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks qedk. I have added the green map. Improvements to the caption welcomed though — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Andy

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Article: Bob Andy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Loop Jamaica
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Nominator's comments: Jamaican musician, Order of Distinction member. - Indefensible (talk) 16:16, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus

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Articles: Boris Johnson (talk · history · tag) and Coronavirus disease 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Both articles need updating
Nominator's comments: While the coronavirus story is an ongoing event, this incident stands out as it involves a prominent head of state who is involved in mitigating the outbreak, which involves taking many measures that should prevent getting infected with this disease. Count Iblis (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How come? Because it's a head of state?--WaltCip (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, head of a G7 and NATO state specifically. I'm not gonna die on this hill, the update is literally one sentence, but still interesting. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Currently the top blurb in ITN is another PM – Igor Matovič – who is stale news from about 3 weeks ago and attracting very little interest from our readership -- just 10K views yesterday. Boris does better than that on a quiet day and I expect his article will be 1M+ on this news. If ITN keeps running the same stale blurbs then it is irrelevant and not helping anyone. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    No one has yet stopped you from improving OTHER Wikipedia articles on current events and nominating them, are you? Wikipedia is a volunteer organization that only works because people who care about something fix it all by themselves. Since you want to see new topics in ITN, you are responsible for making that happen. Browbeating other people to do that work for you is a waste of your time. --Jayron32 12:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm afraid this isn't WP:TOP25. If you'd like to replace WP:ITN with WP:TOP25, please raise an RFC to propose such. In the meantime, please do stop complaining about page views, this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid newspaper. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose currently precisely zero impact. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma

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Article: Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
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Nominator's comments: First royal to die from COVID-19, needs a bunch of work, she was quite notably outspoken but until recently her name redirected to her father's article. Kingsif (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Sorkin

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Article: Michael Sorkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Quito, Anne (March 28, 2020). "Michael Sorkin, architecture's brilliant sage, has died of complications from Covid-19". Quartz – via Yahoo!.Gibson, Eleanor (27 March 2020). "'Fierce and brilliant' architect and critic Michael Sorkin dies of coronavirus". Dezeen.
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Nominator's comments: Important architect, urban planner. 7&6=thirteen () 18:47, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed 7&6=thirteen () 19:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above fixes. - Indefensible (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know your default position, but article has now been referenced. User:The Rambling Man what is it you think is presently lacking? 7&6=thirteen () 11:22, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What's happening about the dubiously "useful" "Reporting, selected" section? Most of it is unrerferenced, and I'm not convinced I can see any value in this, do we normally list a "selected" (by whom, what criteria? One suspects, just whatever someone kind find...) list of mentions of someone? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:The Rambling Man Per your suggestion, I removed the section. 7&6=thirteen () 12:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rolf Huisgen

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Article: Rolf Huisgen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): chemistryviews.org
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Nominator's comments: Chemist with a reaction named after him, 99. - Expanded stub. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Balázs Csákabonyi

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Article: Balázs Csákabonyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): kaposvarmost.hu (Hungarian)
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Nominator's comments: Hungarian lawyer/politician, High Commissioner of the Hungarian Bar Association. - Indefensible (talk) 16:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Naomi Munakata

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Article: Naomi Munakata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha pt
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Nominator's comments: Great woman, chorale conductor. VOVID-19 (my first) - The article was created in en and other languages the day she died. I could add recordings on demand, if needed. (See AllMusic link.) - I wonder if victims of the virus might appear within the box, if only to have some change there from time to time. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Short, but with statements supported with references. robertsky (talk) 15:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Posted. El_C 18:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Jimmy Wynn

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Article: Jimmy Wynn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Houston Chronicle
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Nominator's comments: Former professional baseball player. Three time MLB All Star, member of the Houston Astros Hall of Fame, jersey number retired by the Astros. Thrashbandicoot01 (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John O'Leary (golfer)

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Article: John O'Leary (golfer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): European Tour
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Some sourcing still needed in places DannyS712 (talk) 06:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now reasonably sourced DannyS712 (talk) 06:32, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Curly Neal

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Article: Curly Neal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Nominator's comments: Short but should be reasonably sourced. Masem (t) 01:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Michel Hidalgo

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Article: Michel Hidalgo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
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Nominator's comments: French Football Manager won the Euro 1984. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is only one reference in the article (which doesn't even mention his death) updated since I added oppose Joseywales1961 (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Mark Blum

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Article: Mark Blum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: COVID-related death. Article needs major improvements before posting. Masem (t) 18:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Nicolás Maduro indicted for drug trafficking

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Article: Nicolás Maduro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and numerous high ranking officials are indicted by the United States Government on drug trafficking and related charges. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nicolás Maduro and Venezuelan numerous high ranking officials are indicted by the United States Government on drug trafficking and related charges.
News source(s): NY Times, Guardian
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Highly controversial head of state indicted for narco terrorism along with a bunch of other higher ups is highly unusual. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think there is merit to posting this, but it is debatable as to if Maduro is the legitimate President or not, so I would suggest leaving his title out. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with regard to his legitimacy, but most of the RS sources are referring to him as president so that's what I went with. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
RS's call Maduro president when they want to throw shade, and call Guaidó president when they want to de-legitimize Maduro. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please bear in mind WP:FORUM. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but it's relevant in this discussion given that for the last year RS has been calling Guaidó the legitimate preisdent of Venezuela and have suddenly changed their tune for this narrow case. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the basis that RSes are generally recognizing his legitimacy as president, that the indictments against a sitting world leader are a major news factor. Article seems fine, but it would be nice if in the blurb if there was any specific of the cases that we could link to - I can't tell immediately, for example, if this is related to Operation Car Wash or other similar things, just to provide better context. --Masem (t) 16:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • LMFAO (oppose). The absurdity of the rightists MDS notwithstanding, the target has a one-liner update, Maduro won't be extradited or tried in the United States, and we have a long standing (albeit a bit silly) policy on not posting indictments. It does bar him from attending the UN though. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on grounds of notability and unusualness, which isn't the typical politician indictment for corruption. If it helps, I would like to note that the indictment refers to Maduro as "Former President". I have added an altblurb without a position to avoid disputes regarding his legitimacy. If I may, I would also like to support adding a related image in the Main Page. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - What's the long-term impact of this event? Because maybe I'm just not seeing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nice4What (talkcontribs)
  • Oppose-On the grounds that this is only of political relevance, represents an American viewpoint and Wikipedia should not engage in furthering political smears as it damages our image of neutrality. --Willthewanderer (talk) 18:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
These charges are being widely reported in RS sources. We don't refuse to post news because we don't like it. Your use of the word "smears " also suggests a certain bias. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Willthewanderer As noted above, "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we are to accept national bias then I must object to the entire concept, we are not a news site and it shouldn't be up to us to dictate what is and isn't news- This is an encyclopedia. We leave ourselves wide open to accusations of national bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willthewanderer (talkcontribs) 21:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to recall that one or two countries had charged George W. Bush with war crimes.--WaltCip (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So it's a pretty rare thing, regardless of the reason? I mean, the US has not indicted Vladimir Putin for election interference. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Surely there's a reason for that.... – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Manuel Noriega was indicted in the US -- and then the US invaded and abducted him. I'd support posting that if they did it to Venezuela --LaserLegs (talk) 19:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That would be incredibly newsworthy, likely for all the wrong reasons.--WaltCip (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Little chance of it being enacted, and not of lasting significance.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, wait to see if anything concrete happens. This is clearly politically motivated, and we wouldn't post a drug dealer being charged if he wasn't the president of a country. The US has no way of arresting Maduro. If this turns into a major diplomatic incident then maybe it could be postable, but more likely everyone shrugs and nothing happens. Maduro's article is a POV nightmare and has just one sentence of update, with no more information than the blurb. Modest Genius talk 19:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we might post sentencings or convictions but certainly not indictments. Banedon (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius and WaltCip. Jusdafax (talk) 21:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If we posted every time the US announced Maduro was guilty of something, the box would never be empty of one. If something happens, please post. (I have made an update to his article) Kingsif (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Guilty plea in Christchurch mosque shootings

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Article: Christchurch mosque shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Brenton Tarrant pleads guilty to 51 counts of murder, 40 counts of attempted murder, and one count of terrorism in the Christchurch mosque shootings. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The trial for the Christchurch mosque shootings results in conviction of the accused.
News source(s): CNN, AP, BBC, Guardian
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is equivalent to the point of conviction otherwise. the next step is the sentencing but which can't happen due to COVID-19, but we'd not post that. Masem (t) 05:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Calgary's deadliest massacre seemed 100% inevitable to be Calgary's largest murder when first news broke, too, but nope. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The long and winding trial hadn't begun yet and won't now. That's why pleading guilty is noteworthy. Maybe blurbworthy. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A year ago, most figured we'd see a guy and his legal team try to justify this for a week or so. There were publication bans and controversial testimony in the works, the whole damn circus was coming to town. But that just changed forever today. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is high quality, has a high quality update, and news sources are covering the story. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 14:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Well it's a turnout. And such a notable case, separate to the crime, that the surprise result is some news. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Dropping my opposition in deference to foregoing. However, the article's updates re plea are quite thin. More RS-documentation would be advisable. (Three offered above.) – Sca (talk)
  • Support per Jayron32. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is pretty good, item is in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. There was never any doubt who did it, we posted the original story, this isn't really startling news in itself.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Suggest removing the suspect's name, replacing the appropriate section of the blurb with just "a suspect pleads guilty".--WaltCip (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is zero point at this time to hide the name now that they have confessed. I could understand that if this was a trial just starting (which we would not be posting) we'd probably be careful, but the issue around naming the culprit that existed in the weeks after the event no longer exist here. --Masem (t) 19:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose in addition to the above, per NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern, it's preferable not to speak this person's name or give him any publicity. Banedon (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb. The fact that he reversed and pleaded guilty is not the important part, the conviction is the noteworthy event per preceding nominations. Altblurb is more concise and anonymizes the name. - Indefensible (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, that's far too simplification of the news. As pointed out above, the suspect had been claiming not innocent, and there was a big gearing up for a major trial on this. Then suddenly he pleads guilty, out of nowhere. That's the story. Yes, on that, he's convicted, and sentencing will come later, but it's not simply a conviction as the altblurb suggestions. --Masem (t) 02:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not sure that is significant. From a distant observer's perspective, there was a crime, a guilty plea, and a conviction. Those are the key events thus far, and the ones that matter legally. That there was an expectation of a major trial and an unexpected guilty plea seems like trivia, it is ultimately unimportant to the resolution of the case. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and WP:NOTNEWS, it does not seem like the drama should be the noteworthy aspect for expounding on. - Indefensible (talk) 03:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • And that's the problem to take "from the distant observers perspective". All court cases could be summarized "A criminal is convicted" which... yeah, is a massive understatement. The point is that the article on the shootings does explain that there was preparation for this trial to be a media circus and then for reasons we don't know, it suddenly didn't happen. We have to be a bit more aware of details to phrase it to draw interest on the main page, distant to be impartial but no so distant to be ignorant. --Masem (t) 03:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • There should be no penalty for being a distant, disinterested perspective, if anything it should be emphasized. 1) Most topics will be such for an editor because one cannot be everywhere, 2) an encyclopedia should be as objective as possible, and 3) being too close to the subject increases the chance of WP:COI. It is not true that all cases could be summarized as that, a case could result in acquittal and providing the outcome of conviction or acquittal is the key detail. That the article explains the details is exactly why it is okay to summarize concisely, because any reader can click the link to learn those things if they choose to. It is a slippery slope into click bait territory to try and make encyclopedic content overtly "interesting," and again Wikipedia is not primarily for news anyway. - Indefensible (talk) 15:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose altblurb 1, weak oppose overall Not only do I not agree with anonymizing the name as I said above, but a guilty plea is substantially different from a conviction, even if only for laypeople. As for this story overall, we posted the original shooting IIRC, and this seems more of a legalistic follow-up, although we have posted convictions on here before (but not generally sentencings or other post-trial legal stuff). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 04:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He's notable enough, just that his notability is tied to events with a shared article, so a standalone bio would only be redundant to his article-sized biographical section. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Per Amakuru. It's not like William Wallace pled guilty. It is just a mundane detail that ultimately changes nothing. It would be news if he walked free. Nobody that's not been watching this case closely, everyday since day one, is going to understand why this was posted on the main page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it changed nothing, why would CNN, AP and BBC call it shocking and relieving? Those aren't exactly synonyms for "meh". And no, I'm not "badgering the opposition", I'm "just sayin'". InedibleHulk (talk) 13:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per JM Wolfson above. Pleas and decisions are different things, and courts have in the past rejected guilty pleas for one reason or another. Finality will come on conviction. Anonymizing this is absurd; our own would-be bold-linked article on the Main Page gives the name in the lede, and there's no reason to entertain one PM's impossible and absurd demand on this.130.233.2.33 (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This court didn't reject these pleas, though, so that's a conviction. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Man in China dies from hantavirus

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Article: Hantavirus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Man in China dies from hantavirus (Post)
News source(s): UPI
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: "Global Times reported the patient, a migrant worker from southwestern Yunnan Province, died while traveling on a chartered bus to Shandong Province for work on Monday." Count Iblis (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: William Bartholomay

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Article: William Bartholomay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American businessman, owner of the Atlanta Braves. - Indefensible (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Harry Aarts

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Article: Harry Aarts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): bd.nl (Dutch)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Dutch politician, Order of the Netherlands Lion. Article is short but seems referenced and may meet the requirements for RD posting. - Indefensible (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jennifer Bate

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Article: Jennifer Bate (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gramophone
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Concert organist - one of the first ever - who recordined all Messiaen guided by the composer. - Expanded a bit. There could be much more based on the present sources, but not by me right no, with two more RD waiting, and a GA review under way, + need fresh air. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kurti cabinet

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Article: Kurti cabinet (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kosovo's Kurti cabinet is voted out of power over disagreements over the handling of the coronavirus pandemic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Kosovo Albin Kurti is voted out of office because of his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Prime Minister of Kosovo Albin Kurti is removed from office after the Assembly of Kosovo passes a motion of no confidence.
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

 —Jon698 (talk) 15:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We posted the Taiwanese which I opposed as well though the article was much better. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The 2 examples are not exactly the same because in the Taiwanese case there was an election of a new government, in this case there is not yet a replacement government and the government which was voted out continues in a caretaker role. However, not necessarily against this being posted, as the blurb can be updated as appropriate later. - Indefensible (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would be very wary of directly connecting the COVID-19 situation with the govt's resignation. Sources in the article making such a claim also detail a long history of antipathy between the PM and President. This could very well be run of the mill politicking. Absent the COVID-19 angle, the time to re-nom this would be on the formation of a new government.130.233.2.33 (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MSGJ: I updated it a few hours ago. – Jon698 (talk) 3:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Stratton

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Article: Mike Stratton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Six-time AFL All-Star and AFL All-Time Second Team selection. —Bagumba (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Robert Alan Levinson

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Article: Disappearance of Robert Levinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So if it's not a BDP, it technically doesn't have to be on Margaret Thatcher's level for a blurb. But it still has to be deadlier than the Zagreb earthquake. Or not related to you-know-what. Or possibly on a website's frontpage. Or maybe get a certain ratio of votes. Or...? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, he was no Nelson Mandela.--WaltCip (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - RD is only used for people who are individually notable enough to have their own article, rather than an article about the political events surrounding them.--WaltCip (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opppse Valid point that there is almost zero about Levinson as a person in this article outside his profession related to his disappearance, so fails the basis of RD. --Masem (t) 13:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per TheJoebro64 and Joseph2302. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Article is not biographical per WaltCip, and the announcement of his death does not mean his death is recent nor that he is actually dead per InedibleHulk. - Indefensible (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It has been the case in the past that when we have a notable person prior to their disappearance that is then declared dead (either due to certain laws or the familys consideration) then we have posted their RD as that date here. I forget who that case was in the past but we have respect this factor. That means the death could have been years in the past, as long as the official declaration of death is within the "freshness" for ITN --Masem (t) 22:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ganz typisch.Sca (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 India coronavirus lockdown

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Article: 2020 India coronavirus lockdown (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India goes under a nationwide lockdown to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ PM Narendra Modi has ordered a nationwide lockdown in India to contain the coronavirus pandemic
Alternative blurb II: ​ 1.3 billion people go under lockdown as PM Narendra Modi orders a nationwide lockdown in India.
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
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(Posted) RD: Anatoliy Mokrenko

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Article: Anatoliy Mokrenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): radio svoboda
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian baritone opera singer, who appeared in films, later also director of the National Opera, taking the company to France, other Europe and Asia. - Prompted by a red link, I collected from puzzle pieces, - additions welcome, hopefully by someone who speaks the language. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alfred Gomolka

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Article: Alfred Gomolka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: EU politician, died on this date Joseph2302 (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: William Dufris

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Article: William Dufris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable VA, Bob the Builder. Major sourcing issues. Masem (t) 19:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Stuart Gordon

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Article: Stuart Gordon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Director known for a few cult classics (Re-Animator, Honey I Shrunk the Kids); some sourcing problems though with article. Masem (t) 13:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Bill Rieflin

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Article: Bill Rieflin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Drummer associated with multiple bands including REM and King Crimson, died after battle w/ cancer. Typical sourcing problems but looks like a few working on it. Masem (t) 00:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Masem, Should be added. :/ </3 ―Justin (koavf)TCM 00:20, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I added you to updater... it says it there ...--Masem (t) 00:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, I did mean, "I should be added" I meant, "This entry should be added to 'In the News', also, I am sad because Bill Reiflin is dead". Pardon me for being unclear. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, sorry. Yes, obviously definitely to be added (and has been to you and others getting it up to quality). --Masem (t) 18:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Working through those at the moment, esp. the bits around Swans and Ministry. Damn. The bad news keeps a comin'! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support good work all. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Terrence McNally

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Article: Terrence McNally (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimesCNN
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Tony Award & Emmy Award-winning playwright, wrote the book for Ragtime, died from complications due to Coronavirus TenorTwelve (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are Huff and People considered RSs? – Sca (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I switched it to NYTimes and CNN per your request -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Huff is "debatable" and People is good for BLP - see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources Joseywales1961 (talk) 23:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Huffington Post is well established as a reliable source; People would actually be questionable to a degree as it gets a bit more into celebrity gossip. --Masem (t) 23:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Reposted) 2020 Summer Olympics postponed

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Article: 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2020 Summer Olympics will be postponed as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The International Olympic Committee announces that the Olympic Games planned for this summer will be postponed for one year
Alternative blurb II: ​ Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the International Olympic Committee announced that the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games this summer will be postponed to 2021.
News source(s): Guardian, BBC, IOC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Pretty major sporting event, worldwide. I remember someone saying that this should be the only event that should be ITN if postponed. --Rockin 19:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stale. – Sca (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A week-old announcement certainly is very stale indeed. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who's in ITN for years knows, that's not how we suggest staleness. Don't be dishonest about this. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ZZZzzzz....Sca (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the yawning monkey loses this time. ;-) WaltCip (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of news, this is silly. – Sca (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It used to be. But this year, it's nothing, the absence of all those things. Not even still watchable online, like bigger events will be. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I smell a rat. – Sca (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Things just get curiouser and curiouser.
(And old news just gets staler and staler.)
Sca (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Everything we post is stale, and if this is pulled something even older will get dragged up in its place. One COVID-19 story slipped past the gigantic unnecessary banner -- just let it go. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull, then repost, then pull again - We can do this all day -- or even better yet, why not let's just close this discussion and finally put a lid on this farce.--WaltCip (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Sca has provided and captioned three solid animal pictures. Should be clear enough to anyone what happened here. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You must admit that's much more economical in terms of cyberwork than posting 3,000 words of argument. – Sca (talk) 20:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull we have a big ol' banner for virus news, we don't need a separate article about something that isn't happening. Pointless entry, given the circumstances. It's also clear there is no consensus to post at all, so I'm not sure how the decision to post can be justified on that basis. - SchroCat (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Manu Dibango

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Article: Manu Dibango (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Famous saxophone player, died today (from Covid-19). Article has been updated extensivley by a number of editors already (not me!), not clear who best to give credit. Fram (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Albert Uderzo

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Article: Albert Uderzo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recent death of one of the most popular comics artists ever, artist (for over 50 years) and writer (for more than 20 years) of Asterix, known worldwide. Perhaps not quite at blurb level (though I wouldn't oppose one), but of the 10 most translated french language authors, he was the only one who still lived (see here). Fram (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd make an argument for a blurb when the article's up to scratch - if we're looking at the top of one's field, then storytelling comics (rather than the superhero-y/serial ones) is a field dominated by Asterix around the world. Kingsif (talk) 19:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Storytelling was Goscinny's field, though. Asterix and Obelix are pretty iconic designs, but the dog and wizard are pretty forgettable. Compare to the dozens more memorable toons Matt Groening drew, for perspective on world dominance. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, once concerns about content are resolved. KConWiki (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added a few {{cn}}s, but this is close to being ready. Fix those and I will support RD. Oppose blurb as 'number of translations of a French author' is a very narrow field to be top of; not at the Thatcher/Mandela level. Modest Genius talk 12:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I found reliable sources for two of these, and removed the third one which was simply incorrect (good tagging!). I think all "cn"s are removed now. As for the blurb: the "translations" was more a measure of popularity around the world than the sole claim to fame: having created a series which sold 370 million copies and spawned a dozen movies and so on (and has its own attraction park), and being arguably the last truly great artist from the heyday of European comics (i.e. before the advent of graphic novels and more adult comics) and one of the few who transcended their "local" fanbase and became universally known (like Hergé or Peyo or Morris), are the real claims to fame. But it's a borderline case for a blurb: when they were all still alive (those few, and Franquin, Jacobs, Vandersteen, ...), he probably would not have made the top 5 of most important ones; he just outlived them all. Fram (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Looks good, I now support RD. I agree Uderzo was very successful and well known; I enjoyed his work. I'm just one of the ITN contributors who think the threshold for a death blurb must be very high, because we have the RD section where most deaths can be featured. Modest Genius talk 14:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - However, the awards currently look unreferenced. - Indefensible (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks well-referenced now, also very prominent as the author of an iconic comic book series. --Clibenfoart (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good now which I didn't expect to happen when I first saw it, - thank you all who helped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now still a couple of cites needed in the with Goscinny section, and awards. Good to go after that.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think I have sourced everything now (and added a few awards at the same time). I hope we are finally done now and this can get some time on the main page after all... Fram (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Am I allowed to mark my own nomination as "ready"? Considering all the supports, and the opposes which just waited until the article was ready, I hope this may be considered "ready" before it is stale and falls of this page. If I stepped out of line, feel free to remove the "ready" indicator. Fram (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is beyond ready. Why hasn't it been posted yet? Manish2542 (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Maurice Berger

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Article: Maurice Berger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, LA Times, Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American author, University of Maryland professor, art critic, curator, cultural historian. - Indefensible (talk) 06:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucien Sève

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Article: Lucien Sève (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on 23 March of COVID-19 Joseph2302 (talk) 19:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Stanley Sporkin

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Article: Stanley Sporkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Bloomberg Law
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: U.S. federal judge, SEC enforcement head 1974–81 responsible for pursuing dozens of cases / enforcement actions against large corporations, often for illegal contributions to non-U.S. politicians. Appears to be mostly, if not completely, referenced. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Pulled) 2020 Zagreb earthquake

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Article: 2020 Zagreb earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Croatia experiences its largest earthquake since 1880. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, ABC.net.au, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Largest earthquake to hit Croatia in 100+ years, widely reported on and tangentially related to the coronavirus. - Indefensible (talk) 04:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was an initial report of 1 dead but was later corrected. As I suspect this will not get a sufficient support to get to ITN, I already nominated it for DYK. --Tone 07:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would otherwise support ITN, however, since I am the one who started the article, I will not take any admin actions. --Tone 09:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I lean towards supporting. Significant damage and impact on the country. Judging significance from magnitude is, in my opinion, misleading, because damage depends on seismic readiness. Similar quakes have caused numerous deaths in India, and a slightly more powerful one in El Salvador caused thousands of casualties. Conversely, a 5.7 in Tokyo, the most-prepared capital, would be largely a yawner. I feel if an equivalent quake hit the capital of a more-populous country, such as D.C. or London, it would probably be posted. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 07:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Zagreb is a major European city and there was significant damage to the old city centre and many historic buildings such as churches and museums (e.g. [7][8][9]). The city's cathedral, which symbolises the city symbol as much as the Temple in aforementioned SLC, lost a spire (ref). There were also power and gas outages in parts of city, and other problems that go hand in hand with a major earthquake in a rarely affected region (ref), cf. Utah where the return period is 10 years (ref). Additionally, the strength still has to be ascertained for sure. Montenegro's seismological service estimates it at ML 6.0 (ref). Apologies for some non-English refs, am in a bit of a hurry. DaßWölf 09:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a day later, this is still on the front page of the BBC site, it's major news. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Certainly unusual for Zagreb, but we can't post every <6M earthquake that kills no-one. See List of earthquakes in 2020 for the large number of bigger earthquakes we didn't post just in the last three months. The article is well-suited for DYK though. Modest Genius talk 10:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A death has been confirmed. [10] DaßWölf 20:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I'm not opposed to posting earthquakes that are minor if they cause major damage to historic sites, but it doesn't seem to be quite at that level. Blythwood (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Genius, Masem. Lacks broader significance. – Sca (talk) 14:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - DYK is a better fit.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yes, it's a series of quakes with no deaths but if we marry together the rarity of the tremor in the area, the occurrence amidst the coronavirus pandemic and the damage it caused to many old buildings in the city, it's sensible to make an argument for. The main news in the Croatian media after this happened revolve around the fear of how letting people go out to prevent from potential aftershocks might impact pandemic's spread in the country. At the end, while the death toll is an important indicator for evaluating significance, it shouldn't rule out outright every similar story under unusual circumstances.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Same issue with the Utah quake - several historical buildings damanged [11] several aftershocks, concerns on the impact re COVID, but no deaths. I would agree there is a good chance of a major disaster that could strike somewhere in the world where there is a shelter-in-place or a massive medical response where the disaster would worsen the COVID spread or impact the medical response to the treatment, even if the disaster itself resulted in no deaths, but this one does not appear to be it - the articles suggest that everyone remained calm and after the initial shakes, stayed indoors as ordered. So I don't see that a story to post yet, especially if we're not posting the Utah quake story which was essentially of the same scope. --Masem (t) 16:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I get your point and this is not far from what you consider postable. The Clinical Centre for Pulmonary Diseases at the University Hospital Centre was evacuated because of the building's high seismic risk. Unlike the Utah quake that you're referring to, this one shaked a national capital where people from the entire country and the surrounding area are frequently admitted to hospital these days. The apparent disruption of this process is a big deal and seems to be of a much larger scope compared to the impact it made on the response to the pandemic in Salt Lake City.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support seems to be a damaging and disruptive earthquake in a national capital. WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is meaningless. Weak because the article is stubby. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once the tag is fixed. Kingsif (talk) 20:48, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment leaning towards posting once the article is fully referenced, anyone else have opinions? Kees08 (Talk) 18:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I do not see it as notable enough for the News but I would fully support it for DYK. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 05:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is none at all, so I have pulled it. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:44, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As you know, its not a vote, but if it was, I count 7 supports to 7 opposes, am I miscounting? I thought the reasoning of the supporters was better than the reasoning of the opposes, a couple of which were that it was better for DYK than ITN, which as far as I know is not grounded in any policy (happy to be linked to it if it exists though!). A couple opposes cited that it did not kill anyone, which as of three days ago was not true anymore. Anyways my computer has an issue with its monitor when I have it on for awhile and it is very irritating, so summary: IMO, the arguments for posting were much stronger, grounded in policy, and accurate at the time of posting than the arguments for not posting, but its fine that it is pulled. If ITN is supposed to be based off of votes and not strength of arguments I would advise modifying the instructions however. Kees08 (Talk) 06:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Canada withdraws from the 2020 Tokyo Olympics

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Article: 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canada withdraws from the Tokyo Olympics if the Olympics are not postponed to next year (Post)
News source(s): CBCAlerts
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(Closed) RD: Lorenzo Sanz

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Article: Lorenzo Sanz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC USA Today CBS Sports Le Monde) (La Repubblica) (The New York Times)
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Nominator's comments: Former president of Real Madrid whose death had an international coverage. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Yokohama Northwest Route

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Article: Yokohama Northwest Route (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 7.1-kilometer-long (4.4 mi) Yokohama Northwest Route of the Shuto Expressway system opens in Yokohama after its planning was aided by local residents. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 7.1-kilometer-long (4.4 mi) Yokohama Northwest Route of the Shuto Expressway system opens in Yokohama.
News source(s): [1][2]
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La Modelo prison riot

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Article: La Modelo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An estimated 23 inmates are killed in Colombia's La Modelo prison during a riot. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: A prison riot, if coronavirus-related Kingsif (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hellmut Stern

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Article: Hellmut Stern (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel, RBB (with audio in German)
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Nominator's comments: Violinist, born in Berlin, fleeing the Nazis to China, Israel, U.S., back to Berlin, principal violinist of the Berlin Philharmonic, and making the impossible possible: bring the orchestra (the former Reichssender) to Israel. - New article. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Janata Curfew

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Articles: Janata Curfew (talk · history · tag) and 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India observes a 14-hour long Janata Curfew (people's curfew) on 22 March 2020 to combat coronavirus pandemic in India (Post)
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 Titodutta (talk) 19:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thanks, yes, length is an issue as well, until it is fixed, withdrawn. --Titodutta (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: P. K. Banerjee

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Article: P. K. Banerjee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times ESPN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Legendary Indian Football player. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are four awards uncited, and one of the two paragraphs for his career are uncited. Bonus points if you fix the humongous infobox image :). Kees08 (Talk) 16:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look now have added sources .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can you cite the retirement? That's kind of a big one. Kees08 (Talk) 18:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks done anything else Kees08 .Please let me know.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed pending article improvement) RD/Blurb: Kenny Rogers

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Article: Kenny Rogers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American singer Kenny Rogers dies at the age of 81. (Post)
News source(s): Variety NBC News People.com
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Nominator's comments: Legendary American country singer. – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Claude Bennett

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Article: Claude Bennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): OttawaMatters Ottawa Citizen Twitter - Brian Lilley Twitter - John Fraser Twitter - Lisa MacLeod
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Nominator's comments: Bennett holds significance as the youngest person to become a member of Ontario's cabinet and was responsible for securing funding for the Rideau Centre and Ottawa Heart Institute among others in Ottawa. Not many news sources are available, although multiple politicians and journalists have commented, listed are a few of those in Twitter messages. Fulserish (talk) 01:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Willigis Jäger

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Article: Willigis Jäger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Quite an interesting person between Catholic spirituality and Zen. I expanded from one line. There could be more, but not now. Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2012 Delhi Gang rape

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Article: 2012 Delhi gang rape (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India executes four men convicted of the 2012 Delhi gang rape. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Four men were hanged for their involvement related to 2012 Delhi gang rape.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was one of the worst criminal cases happened in India and I acknowledge the fact that this incident is overshadowed by the country's coronavirus pandemic. Abishe (talk) 06:33, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – Widely featured on RS sites. Highly significant in India, where many speak Eng. as a 2nd language. More noteworthy than the weak Asteriornis item, which has zero tangible impact on anyone. – Sca (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Actual execution is more significant than conviction and this issue is highly featured in reliable sources. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Notable enough. Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 16:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment can someone please read and clean up this mess before it's rushed to the MP? The "Changes to the legal system" section has a whole section about a memorial held in London -- aka not changed to the legal system. Also has this grammar gem "From recordings made by a highway CCTV vehicle, a description of the bus, a white charter bus with a name written on it, was broadcast." among others. If we're going to paste irrelevancies on the main page at the very least lets not let the article be rubbish. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem and Wolfson. robertsky (talk) 18:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as above Kingsif (talk) 21:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems a bit strange that this is called the "2012 Delhi gang rape" case. Is the gang rape or the murder more significant? In a city the size of Delhi, this is probably not the only gang rape case that occurred in 2012; rather I would guess that it is noteworthy for its severity and outcome. However, the article is a Good Article. Since it is a noteworthy event in the news (although not locally for some editors), it may meet the requirements for posting. - Indefensible (talk) 22:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • No one is denying it was notable, just that we posted the point when the men were convicted back in 2013. They've obviously been trying to get appeals which have failed and only just now the sentence carried out, but ITN doesn't duplicate posting the conviction and completion of the sentence. --Masem (t) 22:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Where in the posting requirements does it say that repeats are not allowed? If it is just by informal principle or tradition, I would argue that the coronavirus items violate that as well then. - Indefensible (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Generally, we don't provide "updates" on stories, particularly when the status quo is maintained which is the case here. There is a bit of concern with those arguing "justice served" which is a bit...righting great wrongs type of thought. WP wants to stay neutral and we respect appropriate legal punishments derived from fair trials and there's no doubt there was such the case here, but again, that they were executed now doesn't change anything at this point. Status quo is the same. --Masem (t) 23:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • When we get to the Olympics this year, if they do not get cancelled, I would think there would be a blurb for when it begins and when it ends. Would that not be the case? It seems arguable either way on whether the status quo is maintained or not, just based on the scope and how the event is framed. Now I do not feel that strongly about this specific event, but one could consider the difference being that 4 individuals are now dead whereas they were alive before, and the blurb is a sort of RD entry with broader social implications. - Indefensible (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posting the same story twice. P-K3 (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose criminals are executed daily across the world for heinous crimes. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Igor Matovič

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Article: Igor Matovič (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Igor Matovič is sworn in as Prime Minister of Slovakia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Igor Matovič becomes Prime Minister of Slovakia following elections in February.
News source(s): The Slovak Spectator, TASR, Yahoo News
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Nominator's comments: Please run on 21 March when he is sworn in. buidhe 06:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • We generally do not post mere swearing-in/inauguration/coronation of a politician, as it is their choosing that usually considered to be notable(i.e. the election they won). 331dot (talk) 13:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC),[reply]
I don't see anything stopping it going up right now - no-one has opposed, the article is updated, and the quality is fine. I'll mark it ready, even though I !voted. Modest Genius talk 16:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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RD: Stephen Schwartz (pathologist)

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Article: Stephen Schwartz (pathologist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN Seattle Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable pathologist at the University of Washington. 2607:FEA8:1DDF:FEE1:B502:FA28:F231:1CEB (talk) 01:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Italy coronavirus deaths top China's

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Article: 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The number of deaths from COVID-19 in Italy overtakes the number of deaths from the disease in China. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Apologies for coronavirus blurb. Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC) Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One theory is that it's the belief in miracles that partly got them into this mess, with "holy" water, wafers and wine in churches being a major transmission method. HiLo48 (talk) 21:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you find it funny. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 22:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't. I find it sad. HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Peter Whittingham

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Article: Peter Whittingham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Professional footballer, most notably for Cardiff City. It was already nominated a few days ago and turned out he hadn't died, but it is now confirmed. Date of death not certain, most likely today or yesterday but was announced today.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support CN tags were fixed by Black Kite with previous nom. Hopefully we can find a source that gives a solid date, but it was definitely either the 18th or 19th, as per police statement yesterday. PotentPotables (talk) 15:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The reference says he died "Thursday" will Support as per above Joseywales1961 (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseywales1961: That's not totally clear - the sentence says "Cardiff City confirmed that the club legend succumbed to his injuries on Thursday in an emotional statement", which is ambiguous - the "on Thursday" could refer to the "confirmed" or to the "succumbed"... The Cardiff statement on Twitter didn't say either way. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked the BBC, WalesOnline, Cardiff's statement and none explicitly say when he died. I think c. 19 or "18 or 19 March" is the best we'll get for now. PotentPotables (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the way I read those. They all suggest the death was overnight having been in critical condition since the accident. I would use "ca. 19 March 2019" only because, with GMT time zone, that's when the sources are reporting it. --Masem (t) 15:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: struck through to support - I will continue looking for sources with a firm date Joseywales1961 (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt there are any sources yet, it looked like all were feeding off the Cardiff City announcement, and that didn't say exactly when. Will probably become clear in due course. It doesn't really affect the nom either way though, we know he died recently and it was announced today, so it is eligbible for RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:57, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That ambiguous Independent article is once again being used to "confirm" the death as the 19th.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Sir John Tooley

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Article: John Tooley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraphy obituary Telegraph death announcement
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Nominator's comments: Longtime director of the Royal Opera House. Article appears to be in decent shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:46, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Catherine Hamlin

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Article: Catherine Hamlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Medical doctor, founded a nonprofit hospital in Ethiopia. - Indefensible (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Abel prize

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Article: Abel Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Abel Prize in mathematics is awarded to Hillel Furstenberg (pictured) and Grigory Margulis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Abel Prize in mathematics is awarded to Hillel Furstenberg (pictured) and Grigory Margulis.
News source(s): NY times
Article updated
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 Fdfexoex (talk) 14:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Per past discussions, we realllly would like the winners to be the target article. I know they're not in great shape, but these are the people we should be featuring. --Masem (t) 14:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, we can't bold-link to an entry in a table. If there's no article about the thing they won it for, the two biographies will need to be brought up to scratch. Unfortunately they're a long way from being postable right now, and probably require the attention of an expert mathematician to sort out. Modest Genius talk 16:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • While we have a couple of images of Margulis, they aren't great in quality compared to what we have of Furstenberg. (no good tight head shot). --Masem (t) 16:45, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now unfortunately both peoples' articles are shoddy at the moment. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Asteriornis maastrichtensis

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Article: Asteriornis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paleontologists identify the fossilized skull of Asteriornis maastrichtensis, the oldest evidence of modern birds, dating to the Mesozoic era. (Post)
News source(s): Nature article, BBC, The Guardian, CNN
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Obviously too short to post now (I will try to expand if no one else does), and yes, just had another paleo. story up, but again, it is widely covered ITN, it is the type of thing we'd usually cover and it's not COVID related. Also please see discussion below related the previous case of the "smallest dinosaur" though I'm not seeing the same doubts here: they've identified the core elements that a bird skull would have (it was found nearly whole), and have carbon-dated it. So it's not like more wild guesing. Masem (t) 01:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose We've had another similar article on here quite recently. Now that the COVID map is no longer the picture and we've had two blurbs unrelated to the pandemic (and presumably all future blurbs barring something like an Olympics cancellation now that the banner's up), "non-coronavirus" is not a reason to post. While I won't strongly object if consensus develops to post this, I still think it's much too early to post another paleontology blurb (and I say that as someone with a background in evolutionary biology). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Upon further thought I'll likely support this if we pull the earlier blurb, as this seems less scientifically controversial and more significant. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am further aware that having topically-similar blurbs at the same time or close together isn't completely unprecedented, mainly happening with stuff like the Nobel prizes. Unlike those instances, however, these aren't deliberately scheduled together. I also know that pulling a blurb for the sake of a better one doesn't have much if any precedent, so I'm essentially relying on IAR there. I still weakly oppose given the scheduling, but I might reiterate that I won't strongly object if this gets consensus. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did try to figure out if this was some special issue of Nature to happen to warrant to rather similar stories but it seems like these are just coinicidentally two similar stories that were publishers at near similar times. If it were the case this were a special issue, I would agree with focusing on the story with the lease scientific doubt (this one), but that doesn't seem to be the case. --Masem (t) 03:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that the smallest dinosaur blurb has been pulled. It is adequately referenced and ready for the main page now. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 21:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as a replacement for the Oculudentavis blurb. I've made some substantial expansions, it should be as decent as Oculudentavis as an article. As a news item, it is much better, since the blurb about Oculudentavis being the smallest known dinosaur would be completely misleading if it turned out to be a lizard. From my perspective on the paleontology community's criticisms, that may very well be the case.Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 04:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Currently the article is supported by a single reference, its Nature paper. Are there any other refs that can be added to support it? While Nature is a respectable source, the other current paleo article also had at least one Nature ref, plus others in addition. From a referencing perspective, the other article seems better supported. - Indefensible (talk) 04:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is this, a second article by a different author in the same volume of Nature explaining at a slightly higher level the significance of this discovery (eg placing the start of the modern bird development earlier than previously known). And then using the top level news sources like NYtimes gives some outside quotes from others that also qualify the result (eg the NYTimes says "The Wonderchicken, Dr. Worthy said, “appears to fill that gap.”"). Add articles to flush out what was known before about birds , and what this discovery changes, and you'll have about 6-8 sources I think, 4-6 of those as scientific journals. --Masem (t) 04:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A much better replacement for Oculudentavis. The article looks to be in good shape as well (although some discussion of the Valkenburg Member's palaeoecology would be a good addition). Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article looks well-referenced now, good work Fanboyphilosopher. Suggest Wiki linking paleontology again as it is a Good Article. - Indefensible (talk) 18:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Arcane and not really in the news. Zero tangible impact on anyone. – Sca (talk) 15:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alfred Worden

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Article: Alfred Worden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Florida Today
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Nominator's comments: Apollo 15 astronaut. A few cn tags, but items can be addressed or removed as needed. - Indefensible (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Agree with above.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Eurovision Song Contest cancelled

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Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2020 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The EBU cancels the Eurovision Song Contest for the first time ever because of the coronavirus outbreak. (Post)
News source(s): [14],[15], [16]
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Nominator's comments: Historic decision, breaking a chain of 64 broadcast Eurovision in a row. World most viewed televised music contest. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unless we argue that anything that would be ITN/R but is cancelled should get a blurb anyway... Kingsif (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Turing Award

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Articles: Edwin Catmull (talk · history · tag) and Pat Hanrahan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Edwin Catmull (pictured) and Pat Hanrahan are awarded the Turing Award for their pioneering work on computer-generated imagery. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: I will be updating about the Turing in both articles immediately after this. Catmull's needs a bit more sourcing. Masem (t) 13:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) Smallest known dinosaur discovered

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Article: Oculudentavis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists discover the amber-preserved skull of the smallest known dinosaur Oculudentavis, comparable in size to the bee hummingbird. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest non-avian dinosaur known thus far.
Alternative blurb II: Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Scientists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest known dinosaur of the Mesozoic era.
News source(s): NBC News, Nature paper
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Nominator's comments: Both something that would get into ITN on some days, but also a need to fill blurbs due to the news otherwise being dominated by covid-19 stuff. (eg avoiding just news for news sake to be added). Article is in good shape. Masem (t) 04:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Satis, and while not a reason for posting in of itself it's nice to have something not coronavirus-related. 05:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Bee hummingbird is not quite up to the frontpage standard in my opinion, can that phrase be dropped from the blurb? - Indefensible (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The suggested blurbs are dubious. Birds are dinosaurs and, moreover, this one was an avialan dinosaur. That said, the bee hummingbird is taxonomically the smallest dinosaur and it's unclear if this was definitely smaller. Additionally, the paper published in Nature points out that it represents the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic era, while NBC News have apparently generalised the context of the discovery in their news.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Re birds are dinosaurs, taxonomically that might be the case but in common parlance "dinosaur" is usually a paraphyletic group that excludes Aves, much like the Fish and Monkey categories tend to exclude humans from their definitions. If you can find a way to phrase this to make it unambiguous, please go ahead, but I don't think it should stop the nom.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amakuru: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it should always deal with complete scientific accuracy as such, so arguments revolving around "common parlance" are not welcome here (Monkeys and humans have very recent common ancestor but belong to distinct subfamilies of the primates order. Humans are apes and have never been excluded from that subfamily.). The common notion of dinosaurs as extinct species of gigantic lizards as presented in many illustrated books and animated films has proven to be false and Wikipedia is the right place to break this misconception. I've suggested another blurb that clarifies it was the smallest dinosaur species of the Mesozoic era as indicated in the paper.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm well aware of the scientific situation, but your point "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" is exactly why we don't publish things in the same way as a scientific paper would. Using commonly recognised names rather than overly technical ones is enshrined in our policy. And let's be honest, even scientists don't regard humans as fish, and wouldn't find it useful to do so. Referring to the "mesozoic" is unnecessary detail, and dilutes the significance of this find. Using the standard term "non-avian dinosaurs" or similar might work though. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Birds, being dinosaurs, include the smallest known, the bee hummingbird. Saying that this new dinosaur skull is the smallest known should include clarification that the bee hummingbird is equally small. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    As someone with a background in evolutionary biology, I have to agree with Amakuru that Wikipedia, being a general-purpose encyclopedia, is targeted towards a general audience and as such should stick to the common understanding of "dinosaur" excluding birds, especially on the Main Page. The comparison to a bee hummingbird can remain in the blurb, but should not be referred to as a dinosaur. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 16:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - not corona related, thanks. I personally think this article is ITN ready. BabbaQ (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I think alt 1 is the best of the blurbs but I'm not opposed to any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious support -- Very happy to see this. I was ready to nominate this myself when news first broke but gave up halfway through filling the form, because [excuses]. I have added a slightly adjusted version of Alt II as Alt III (Too many wikilinks and missing "known", IMO). I would also prefer "Mesozoic dinosaur" to "dinosaur of the Mesozoic era" if it's okay to have two consecutive wikilinks. Finally, I do agree we need to be precise with the blurb even at the risk of losing other desirable attributes. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale I recall reading about this several days ago and indeed both sources given are dated the 11th. At the very least this should be re-filed under the correct date where it is about to fall off the tracker. 3142 (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is newer than any of the other blurbs currently in the board. We need something to fill space. --Masem (t) 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would oppose that: I have no interest in debating the merits of that point other that to say you will have a hard time convincing most that a bird is a dinosaur. Regardless, an ITN blurb is not the place to start grinding that particular axe. 3142 (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
? There is no debate, birds are dinosaurs and are accurately called dinosaurs on Wikipedia. The blurb is essentially inaccurate in not pointing that out. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The alternatives mentioning the Mesozoic would be preferable in this case, as it's factually accurate without needing to confuse people with true but not widely known taxonomy. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 14:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In these unique times, I think it may very well be from now on.--WaltCip (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As an editor from the dinosaur project, I have no strong objections to this wording (since it is, after all, the reported conclusion of the paper, and the controversy cannot be summarized in one sentence). However, I disagree with your reasoning, Masem. To quote palaeontologist Mike Taylor, "the venue of its publication tells us nothing useful about the quality of a paper". One only needs to look to Andrew Wakefield's Lancet paper for a clear example. Even in the domain of palaeontology, the majority of text written for Nature and Science articles gets dumped into the online supplementary information, which is reviewed much less rigorously. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 00:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I created the article and I have to say that the identification of the skull as avialan (bird) is very questionable. Many paleontologists have argued for an interpretation of the skull as a lizard both informally and formally, in the case of researchers at the IVPP in Beijing. The academic integrity of the primary author is also under scrutiny. We should not advertise a work as controversial as this on the front page. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Misleading blurb. Pavlor (talk) 07:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled with regret as there seems to be agreement that the blurb is misleading. Please discuss if it can be reposted with a different blurb — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Please note that there is now a preprint (not yet peer-reviewed) of a scientific paper formally rejecting an avian identity for Oculudentavis: [17] Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 stock market crash

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Article: 2020 stock market crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least one benchmark stock market index in each of the G7 and in 14 of the G20 have fallen into bear markets as part a global stock market crash that began on 20 February 2020. (Post)
News source(s): Asia-Pacific3-16-2020 Europe3-16-2020 U.S.
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Nominator's comments: Significant ongoing global stock market crash related to COVID-19 pandemic. CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Previously I would have supported this, but now it is indirectly covered by the "Impact" link in the coronavirus box I think. There are also 2 Closed nominations visible below related to this same article. - Indefensible (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Euro Cup and Copa America has been postponed

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Article: UEFA Euro 2020 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UEFA Euro 2020 and the 2020 Copa America football tournaments have been postponed until summer of 2021 amid COVID-19 fears. (Post)
News source(s): Euro 2020 postponed for a year by Uefa because of coronavirus crisis
Nominator's comments: It's official: The Euro 2020 and the Copa America have officially been postponed until summer of 2021. 2607:FB90:5E9E:19AE:7DFF:684C:DC10:E7FC (talk) 03:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The NBA postponement failed and this appears roughly equivalent. In any event we have the coronavirus banner and this doesn't appear to warrant its own blurb. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The only sporting event at this point that would be news if postponed would be the Olympics as the top event across multiple sports and countries representing the scale of the issue. --Masem (t) 04:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose + a couple of comments Too narrow a perspective, in commenting on just one sport. But at least, unlike the NBA, this is international competition. And to the OP, "summer" is a bad descriptor of a calendar time. Several of the Copa America teams come from places in the southern hemisphere, where summer runs from December to March. I doubt that's what you meant. HiLo48 (talk) 04:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose probably more newsworthy to find an international tournament that hasn't been affected by Covid-19. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Sophie Wilmès

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Articles: Sophie Wilmès (talk · history · tag) and Belgium (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Belgium forms a government led by caretaker prime minister Sophie Wilmès (pictured), the country's first female head of government. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Notable change of government leadership. Article is a bit short, but may be good enough for posting as-is. - Indefensible (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She's been prime minister for nearly half a year...? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 02:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, I think the difference is that she was only a caretaker previously but now is not just a caretaker. Might still be notable enough to post, would probably need to update the blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 03:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Updated the blurb per the above. - Indefensible (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Betty Williams

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Article: Betty Williams (peace activist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: 1976 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Article currently has an orange banner and could use light cleanup / a couple more refs, but is close to post-worthy I think. Nominating for visibility to improve & post. - Indefensible (talk) 04:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early human mammoth bone structure

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Article: Kostyonki-Borshchyovo archaeological complex (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Archaeologists discover evidence of one of the largest structures made by early humans ca. 40,000 years ago from the bones of about 60 woolly mammoths at the Kostyonki-Borshchyovo archaeological complex. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Antiquity (peer reviewed paper)
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: This could be expaned upon more in the target article, but it is definitely is in the news with the journal publication. Masem (t) 15:56, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thai Thanh

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Article: Thai Thanh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tuoi Tre
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 20th century Vietnamese singer. One of the foremost singers of the 'New Music' period (WWII onwards). I am expanding it further Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eduard Limonov

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Article: Eduard Limonov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters,New York Times, RFE/RL, RT
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Russian writer and controversary politician. VanHelsing.16 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Peter Whittingham

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Wait. There is no confirmation of this on BBC Sport's Cardiff City page, on Cardiff City's website or social media, or any local press. Just a minor English-diaspora newspaper in Spain citing tweets. This is completely unacceptable, and if I had a confirmed account I'd revert the news of his "death". 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Until there's any news here, don't believe it [19] 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like the right direction, did not realize there was an issue with the source. Thank you for pointing out the issue. Recommend registering for a Wiki account regardless. - Indefensible (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait I haven't reverted this yet because I believe EWN to be a reasonably reliable source (and for other reasons). If true, then Support (I've fixed all the CN tags in the article). Black Kite (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for addressing the cn tags Black Kite. The article should be good to go quality-wise if there is confirmation I think, although hopefully the subject will be able to say that the news is greatly exaggerated. - Indefensible (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm. The Wales Online story has disappeared. I am guessing that this is sadly true but is waiting for family to be informed before being released, but for the time being I have reverted (and semi-protected) the article. Black Kite (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Black Monday stock market crash

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(Closed) Record low US box office

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  • Strong oppose Its the global box office that is down, and there are much much much much much more serious concerns related to COVID that would be in ITN before stuff like this. --Masem (t) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too small a story in the scheme of things this year. I doubt this would even get to be put in the proposed coronavirus-specific section.  Nixinova  T  C   19:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reopening While I don't dispute it's not fantastic, I seriously question Template:U closing this after 20 minutes. Even more views on why it shouldn't be posted would be at least useful in working out where the ITN-worthy lines for A. coronavirus blurbs and B. movie industry news are. Kingsif (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it is a pretty big deal, the US movie industry has effects that extend into pretty much every country in the world. Plus, at this point it'll bump off the Pritzker Prize, and simce that's been up for 12 days, some random guy in Ohio eating a cheeseburger today would be a bigger story. 1779Days (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow Oppose Template:U was correct in his speedy close. With everything going on in the world, and I'm talking just in the last 24 hrs, this is almost trivial. There is not the slightest chance this will be posted, nor should it be. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. On reflection my above oppose sounds a tad sharp. While I remain strongly opposed to posting, I don't want to give the impression that I am suggesting the nomination was anything other than one made in good faith. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I understood you, but thanks for clarifying. My reason for reopening, as said, wasn't necessarily to get it posted, but to hear some discussion, though that seems to have been fruitless, there's just a lot of 'no'. Kingsif (talk) 04:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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14th Government of Slovenia

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This is not the general requirement. Only the bolded article has to be completely proper. This is why Janša is not bolded. --Tone 17:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is a little ambiguous, but in my opinion WP:In the news#Article quality applies to all articles linked, not just the emphasized one. At least, that is the standard that I would prefer. If the 2 orange banners can be addressed, then I would feel comfortable supporting posting the blurb personally. - Indefensible (talk) 06:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle National heads of government changing are notable for ITN purposes. The blurb should note that the resignation was due to coronavirus (I was going to say "not that this matters, but it's nice to have something not related to the coronavirus up on ITN" before reading the article); I have added a blurb that mentions it. Ideally Janša should be bolded, although the government page will do in a pinch. Perhaps a photo of Janša should be used if one is found. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:59, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The resignation was not due to coronavirus but due to disagreements in the coallition, it happened in late January where most cases were still in China. --Tone 08:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I skimmed and misread; disregard that part. But the rest of my point stands. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 17:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on quality grounds. The big sections of tables with the cabinet posts don't seem to be adequately references. Some sections don't have any sourcing, and the only sources that are there seem to be [20], which doesn't have detailed info on the names of the post-holders, and [21] which is a deadlink. That said, though, there is no requirement to get non-bolded articles up to any particular standard, so once these issues are resolved on the bolded article, I would support on notability.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Take this as a support once the orange tags are gone; I'm not putting 'oppose' because hopefully one or two sources will cover all those tables and be added quite soon by someone who knows about the elections. Kingsif (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Wait until the day is over. NOT#NEWS, we shouldn't have an article even on this yet. --Masem (t) 17:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It has affected other countries such as the Philippines where a newspaper has called it "Black Thursday" already, so let us not be US-centric. I posted this for if stocks close at a lower decline than Monday. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    One paper. I looked and saw maybe a couple others. This makes the name fall under WP:NEO. Maybe at the end of the day there's something, but as when the Monday's situation, markets are volitile. I suggested the week's overall effect was the news story, and I will still stand by that since that's clearly the trend. --Masem (t) 17:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment todays drop is due to the COVID-19 US travel ban, and COVID-19 is in the box plenty. Monday was the OPEC civil war. Merge all these articles into 2020 Global stock market crash or similar and propose it for ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as a new, separate blurb. This is apparently what ITN is destined to be this month.--WaltCip (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Worth noting for notability purposes that the US stock market has become a bear market after an 11-year streak (the longest in history). Today's crash is expected to surpass that of October 2008 be the worst since 1987. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Economic experts have been warning for years that the bull market is not sustainable and would turn around at some point. So this is not at all a surprise or its a news element. It's also far far too close to the event to try to be judging how much of an important this week has on the long-term. --Masem (t) 19:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Today is an important economic event regardless of what certain economists may have predicted. The article even states that the bear market had sustained 11-years despite challenges such as the American-Chinese trade war and Brexit. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - NY Times says this is the worst day for the U.S. stock market since the 1987 crash. I suggest we continue to post a separate blurb, possibly noting that investors were reacting to President Trump's Europe travel ban, which in and of itself is a significant moment in the COVID-19 crisis.--WaltCip (talk)
    • If this is added as a blurb, it will replace the Black Monday or or bring the Black Monday one. There is zero need to have two blurbs on the same effect news, negative market trends. Remember, the key facet right now is that thousands of people have died from a rather contagious virus that probably could have been prevented but instead due to a number of mistakes across the globe at all levels. That people have lost money in the short term and there may be long term consequences is not unimportant but the priority is far outweighed by the cost of human life going on here. --Masem (t) 20:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree they should be combined somehow. The cost of human life? Global stock markets are down 30%. Three years of gains are gone. People who depend on that for retirement savings are in a real crisis. This is just as impactful as 4700 deaths. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The Dow dropped nearly 10%, the second-largest percentage drop since the Great Depression. Considering that the top three daily point drops in the Dow's history occurred in the past four days, I wonder if there's a clean way to combine Black Monday and Black Thursday into one blurb. But I'm fine with a separate blurb, too. Davey2116 (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The DAX 30 fell 12% today as well. As large as the NYSE is, we shouldn't focus strictly on it given this is a global phenomenon. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I suppose the Dow's point-change stats aren't too informative for historical comparisons, either; most of the top 20 point losses occurred in the past two years, and the top three point gains also occurred earlier this month. Davey2116 (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wall Street Crash of 2020 would be a great candidate if the Monday and Thursday articles were merged into it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can we at least put Black Monday (2020) back up if we're pulling Black Thursday?--WaltCip (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not as it was, since it's no longer true. —Cryptic 12:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, now I go back to my original point about how it's impossible and silly to post news stories about stock market gyrations, for this very reason. But we live in novel times now.--WaltCip (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And guess what? — "Stocks surge day after biggest percentage decline since 1987." – Sca (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to post a similar article like that. The weekly downturn itself is news and a blurb based on that would have been reasonable, but reacting on the daily downturns is really not what we should be doing, COVID or not, since there's nearly always been a major rebound the next day. --14:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Damnit, Sca, you don't get how this works -- good news is no news.--WaltCip (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with previous unsigned post (by Masem). A classic case of yesterday's news. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you believe there's "nearly always been a major rebound the next day", make sure to buy as many stocks as you can at market close of a market rout. Banedon (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That comment of yours, which I assume was sarcasm, sure takes on a whole new meaning as of this evening!--WaltCip (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am completely open to updating the blurb to reflect the volatility in the financial markets. Just give me a blurb backed by some kind of consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Financial markets are inherently variable – on a daily basis. Ergo, market news is problematic for ITN. – Sca (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Update: "Stocks post monster monster gains; Dow surges 9% adding nearly 2,000 points as Trump declares coronavirus emergency." – Sca (talk) 00:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you can work it into the blurb, go for it. The crashes happened. They happened and things recovered just like floods recover and tornadoes recover and all the other disaster porn we post recovers. I'm not buying this "Financial markets are inherently variable" argument either. We've seen record swings down and up in a broad range of markets across the globe. It's ok if you don't care, but you don't get to pretend it's normal. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Od Well, perhaps we could take a broader approach that would have a longer shelf life – something like, "World financial markets (do such-and-such) in their (worst?) week since (sometime past)." [22]
Again, stock blurbs based on daily results get stale FAST. And I'm still not convinced this topic needs a separate blurb. There are many websites that catalogue market fluctuations, and they're well-known to investors. The Big Story is the virus itself. – Sca (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • The better subject to post I think would be that the record 2009-20 bull market has ended, since that is a finished event which will be much more stable to record than the fluctuating state of the 2020 crash or every new Black Day of the Week. The current posting is much more news-oriented than encyclopedic in my opinion; for example, the oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia obviously seems to have a partial causal role, but how is this mechanism encyclopedically explained? Currently it is not, it is simply noted as fact ex facie. The record 2009-20 bull market is also much more significant and consequential than the 2020 crash, encompassing over a decade of time and generating far more wealth and product globally than what has been lost thus far, yet it does not even seem to have a Wiki article currently; this demonstrates the bias and mental blind spot in the nature of the human Wiki editors collectively (to psychologically overemphasize loss over gain) I think. - Indefensible (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Being a human being, I'm mainly interested in the spread of the virus and its effects on people, not in what the politicians have to say about it or how the markets react to it.
    Still the No. 1 story. Period. – Sca (talk) 17:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Of course the coronavirus pandemic is an important subject and should not be overridden in any way by the economic or financial coverage which is posted in parallel, however the negative impact to humans may very well be greater in scale from the stock market collapse than from the direct effects of the virus. Whether or not this is the case is the sort of detail that one might expect to see in an encyclopedia covering the events. - Indefensible (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
When you're dead the market is of negligible interest. – Sca (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This encyclopedia is for the living however. - Indefensible (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Concern/curiosity Hello all! I had posted to the Errors page asking if "global"+"1987" in the blurb constituted an inaccuracy/OR, but did not receive a response. Does that mean I was wrong or does no one keep an active eye on that page? TIA Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not sure where you are seeing that, do you mean the short description? That looks correct. - Indefensible (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      Template:U, hello! What I meant was (the pulled) blurb read (paraphrasing) "global stock markets broke 1987 records." The claim was in the lead of the article (now it's been changed, global -> US), and both there and here (see the OP above) gave CNBC as the supporting source. The CNBC article only says two US-based stock indices broke 1987 records. So, saying "global" stock markets did that could be original research even if true? Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      I see, good catch. Well, hopefully that can be addressed before anything is reposted again. - Indefensible (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled again on quality, sorry guys but per above the newly merged article has orange tags again and it does not look like they're going to be fixed imminently. Once they are fixed or the issues resolved, please advise and ping me, and someone can repost (unless it turns out that consensus has changed regarding significance based on the above comments). Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. Markets are inherently variable, esp. these days. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If there were a broader article/blurb on this bear mark or the end of the bull market, it would not be an issue I think. - Indefensible (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping the orange tag seems to have been addressed, can it be reposted again? Added a new altblurb. - Indefensible (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since there are issues with outdated blurbs, would it be better to add 2020 stock market crash to Ongoing, even if only until another blurb is created? Master of Time (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Maybe this should be posted to Ongoing instead as you suggested. Does it need to be renominated at this point? - Indefensible (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've suggested that as part of the banner, if we can make a grouped "Impact" page that links the financial and economic impacts not only on the stock market but on specific industry sectors , that could be added. It would seem weird to have a market crash that is directly tied to the outbreak as a separate thing from the actual outbreak banner. --Masem (t) 00:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not re-posted unless a new consensus emerges. Apologies to those who pinged me above, that I hadn't yet responded, I've been quite busy with other things. I think looking at this and the new "Black Monday" discussion above, I'm not sure there's consensus for a re-posting at this point. The events of yesterday would appear to supersede last week's Black Monday and Black Thursday anyway and there is strong opposition to adding anything specifically about yesterday's "Black Monday". If something changes, however, please do let me know or another admin can make changes if there's consensus. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose re-posting – Stale, outdated, old news. Suggest we finally close this moribund topic. – Sca (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There are so many parallel stories with CV (Tom Hanks!) that we cannot post them all. If they were cancelling the season, maybe. In a few days, they will have restarted or everyone else will be stopping too. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The US ban on all flights to Europe is also massive and unprecedented. We can't post everything, but to omit recent developments out of variety concerns is to give undue emphasis to the Italian quarantine, which will very likely be dwarfed by something else in the next week. -- King of 02:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest possible oppose this is the type of "zeroth world problems" that we should be not even worried about amid everything else with COVID. There should be subpages off the coronavirus page for the various industries and the effects on them like sports and entertainment, but we are definitely not going to ITN those when death and strained health care resources is the first concern with COVID --Masem (t) 02:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Pritzker prize has zero connection to COVID. This is 100% directly connected, and thus becomes a matter of what COVID story is priority given that we should really only be having one blurb or one ongoing. --Masem (t) 03:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally wouldn't oppose a subsection on the main page somewhere between ITN and OTD (or even at the bottom of ITN itself). I don't think its right to just have the Virus/Pandemic in outgoing where the biggest updates aren't being shown outright, but also am weary of undue emphasis like King of Hearts mentioned if the updates are left solely in ITN. I'm unaware as to whether such a thing has been done before, so it might be a very experimental move. PotentPotables (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ITN nor the front page is a news ticker. I've offered a suggest on the ITN talk page but this would require an intermediate page for the COVID pandemic topic to service as a landing/topic outline page in which then all recent major events (at the level of Portal:Current Event importance) could be included while this is still big news). But we can't flood ITN with all the stories. --Masem (t) 03:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • We need to consider adding a Coronavirus template to the main page. Half of the space allocated to Today's Featured Picture should be used instead for important info that would qualify for ITN on every other day but for the Coronavirus. This is an ongoing event of unprecedented scale and disruption. We need to take unprecedented measures to deal with it. Heck Trump just banned all travel and imports from Europe (except the UK) for the next 30 days. That's billions of dollars worth of goods disruption. The effect of the cancellation of the NBA season can also be measured at that level; the NBA finals is an ITN item and the cancellation is even more notable. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 03:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support: This is the sort of content people are looking for when they come to Wikipedia's main page or open our app. Putting that a different way, this content is one of the primary reasons Wikipedia exists—major things are happening, and a lot of people want to learn more about why they're happening. We should be making these items as prominent as possible to help them learn more. There is no rule stating that we can only have one item per event, especially one of this size and magnitude; if there would ever be a time to deviate from our usual practices, it would be now. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • No it is not: Wikipedia is not a newspaper. We are covering the very highest levels of the pandemic and providing the link to the main page, but it is not our place at all to give this type of news updates to readers, particularly when this is a very very minor event relative to 1000s of deaths that have occurred. --Masem (t) 04:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • That is a disingenuous reply to what I wrote, Template:U. I'm not saying we're a newspaper. I'm saying that people use us to learn the context and background behind major events that happen in the world, which include a world-leading sports league suspending its season. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • If they are coming here to learn about that, they can find that by searching on "NBA" and clicking a few links, we don't need to show that to them. It is not our place to make these stories convenient to find via a main page link, particularly when there are several other, significantly more serious stories related to the same topic, that we have featured already. --Masem (t)
  • Note: The NHL will announce something tomorrow. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Why single the NBA out in particular? Serie A has been suspended for a few days now, and while the NBA makes a little more money than Serie A, they're still roughly comparable as leagues. The UEFA Champions League is being suspended as well. Personally the US travel ban on Europe is more newsworthy than the NBA shutting down for a month. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support would be worth it to mention other sports leagues such as the Serie A and UEFA Champions League. As for the Pritzker prize, any of the major COVID-19 related stories are more important than the continued featuring of the Pritzker prize on the main page. Pritzker's been up for 7 days, it's time for it to go. 1779Days (talk) 06:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Far too narrow a perspective. Things in their hundreds are being cancelled all over the world. Why single this out? We have a pandemic. Rather than news, it's nothing but an inevitable consequence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talkcontribs) 06:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as this is a worldwide project, and many sports competitions have been suspended or events postponed, so no sense to focus on the first US one to do it. For example, Serie A in Italy is suspended, MotoGP, Formula 1 and athletics events have been postponed/cancelled. If we list one of them, we would have to list all of them. Which isn't the point of ITN. And just posting this one would be a clear American bias. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as noted many times above, why pick the NBA from the plethora of cancelled sporting events around the globe? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As covered by Ongoing. We may need to revisit some other option for dealing with COVID19 stories: an intermediate page; a more general COVID19 article with linkouts by subject; etc.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The general outbreak is no longer in "Ongoing".—Bagumba (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose times infinity MOstly local thing that hardly matters in the scheme of things. Maybe when the olympics get cancelled, if anyone cares by then. Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I assumed this would be a third blurb, actually. This story is necessarily separate from the other ones we have up on the template.--WaltCip (talk) 17:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't make sense having the same story as a blurb and ongoing, but the two blurb option is one I would support as technically different news. PotentPotables (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This and the Italy could always be combined with a simple "while". They are the same story for all purposes. --Masem (t) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Although related, I still contend they are two separate stories. Global pandemics are not necessarily unprecedented. Italy going into total quarantine is, at least in the western world.--WaltCip (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I second that. --bender235 (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we should link to the outbreak page, not the disease page (alt blurb added). --bender235 (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It would be a bit hard to do that because of the short descriptions for ITN. It needs to be short and simple. The map currently requires a key to understand. That would be difficult to include for ITN. NoahTalk 17:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I have combined it with the Italy hook, as suggested by Masem. Also removed from Ongoing, but I assume it can go back there uncontroversially once it rolls off again.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: it would have been nice if we'd had even an hour to assess the update to the article. There isn't one. All that's changed is switching 'outbreak' to 'pandemic' throughout and one sentence of the lead; the section on the WHO response still says they are refusing to declare a pandemic. This should have had a prose update before posting. Modest Genius talk 18:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and the one sentence update doesn't have a ref. We're not a news service, there is no reason to rush things to the MP. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Oddly, given my recent history of pushing to get C-19 blurbed in some form, I'm nonplussed by this long-expected announcement. After all the froth, it seems anticlimactic. Everyone knew it was coming. I think the WHO didn't want to elicit panic and put it off for a while. In itself, I don't see how it changes things. But ... still dithering. – Sca (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Given the overkill-coverage, combing pandemic & Italy seems a reasonable compromise, I guess. – Sca (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment. I like the combined blurb. I've tidied the update to pandemic. I assume that the main article has now been fixed, but I'll check (if I can get an edit in there edgewise). Espresso Addict (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure "while" quite works in the current blurb, since the WHO announcement came after Italy imposed the national lockdown. – Sca (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment. My apologies if this is not the place to address the image in ITN, but Talk:Main_Page certainly didn't seem like the right place. With regard to the image, as mentioned by User:88.200.214.103, User:bender235, and User:Hurricane Noah, I would like to place my strongest possible support in favor of replacing the current ITN image of Alyssa Healy with a COVID-19 related informational video such as File:COVID-19- What Older Adults Need to Know.webm. As much as we'd like to believe everyone reads every word of our articles, some readers will certainly benefit from an authoritative video. Our first priority should be ensuring readers can quickly and easily access accurate and vital information. userdude 03:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can tell you that the last time we had an animated image/video on the main page of that type (that is in terms of length, not content), that was an issue for some readers. An animation or video a few seconds long is what we'd want, not a lengthy video. Separately, it is also not WP's place to try to offer medical advice even that posted by the CDC per our Disclaimers (we do not offer professional advice). It should obviously be linked from the COVID pages, but we should not be foisting that at the main page. --Masem (t) 03:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment, after Spain declares the Alarm Status, should "and Spanish government implements a national quarantine" be added? Since yesterday the measures are very much like Italy. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting update proposal, as this is starting to occur worldwide, should it instead say: "while governments across the world implement quarantines and close their borders."? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Support WTF is a "lockdown"? The article doesn't really make that clear, and it feels like a hyperbolic term to begin with. Additionally Conte later clarified in a press conference that the decree was not an "absolute ban", and that people would still be able to use trains and planes to and from the region for "proven work needs, emergencies, or health reasons". Still, it's a significant reaction and a good chance to put the virus back up as a blurb, and the article is decent. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lockdown. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are we still waiting for the WHO to declare a pandemic? Because we've been waiting for a month and they might not do it. Support then in lieu of that not yet happening but I'm betting cricket will be posted first. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for now. I disagree with User:Howard the Duck. The article looks good, and is consistent with the other crises that go in line with the coronavirus crisis. DoctorSpeed ✉️
  • Oppose. This looked significant when I first saw it this morning, but as noted above it turns out its less significant than thought,as flights are still running and many things continue as usual. Also, reject the ridiculous idea of a Template:Xt. We don't need to keep reposting this in a fresh guise every week just because it's scary and people are running around like headless chickens. It's already in ongoing, where it belongs. Repost once the pandemic is declared.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the decree was signed today - it could escalate implementation in the coming days (or hours), but I thought the appropriate time to post was when the decree is signed. Juxlos (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as a blurb, but I would not see an issue adding, to the existing ongoing for the outbreak, something like "Italian lockdown" (eg Template:Green. China's locked down before, as well as Japan, and Saudi is also now getting in on that ([26]), so to blurb out the Italian one does not make sense, just to get a coronavirus blurb in ITNC. --Masem (t) 14:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • China's lockdown was the blurb that fell off into becoming the coronavirus ongoing. It obviously made sense when it was the point of origin. --Masem (t) 15:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would argue that neither Japan nor South Korea has done something this extreme - akin to quarantining Seoul or Tokyo from the outside world. Even if the implementation is porous, clearly this is still a huge thing? Juxlos (talk) 15:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There was also the fact that on 26 Jan, Kobe Bryant's death generated a blizzard of activity on WP:ITN/C that diverted attention away from modifying the initial novel coronavirus blurb, the discussion of which was started on 19 Jan and therefore archived later on 26 Jan. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 15:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Ever since my futile "elephant in the room" attempt to get the topic blurb-posted a couple weeks ago, I've been in two minds about this. I suspect the WHO is deferring on labeling it a pandemic in order not to elicit widespread panic.
    However, the situation in Italy indeed looks grim – 233 deaths, 5,883 cases – and threatening to the rest of Europe. I'm leaning toward support. – Sca (talk) 15:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is happening because of the grim, threatening situation there. – Sca (talk) 16:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The deferring to call it a "pandemic" involves a half billion USD in WHO bonds which get auto-called in the event of such a declaration. Those bonds otherwise mature in mid-Summer, so that's when "pandemic" goes official. In the mean time, Italy (10% EZ GDP) just shut down their most productive regions (30% IT GDP), which is 100% guaranteeing a EZ recession, at best.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Coronavirus is in ongoing, and that's where it should be. Putting it in ongoing doesn't make it any less significant, nor does it indicate we are undervaluing this crisis. WaltCip (talk) 16:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To some readers I know, it does look that way. – Sca (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then they are misinterpreting the purpose of ITN. WaltCip (talk) 16:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're speaking from a Wiki-insider point of view, not a general-reader one. – Sca (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue that this is an exception - when since the start of Wikipedia has something like this happened? (Aside from Hubei, but that was a blurb). Juxlos (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support coronavirus outbreak is still ongoing but Lockdowns are coveraged by many Italian and international media. I disagree with many editors that oppose this to be posted just because it less significant such as Sca than events in China, world most populous country. The coverage of Italian Lockdowns need to get more attention from Wikipedia readers around the world as it was undercoveraged by many media's outside Europe and America. 110.137.162.190 (talk) 16:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposing. – Sca (talk) 16:20, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Alt1 offered above. – Sca (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support per the other IP. This is the second largest mass quarantine in history (the largest being the Hubei lockdown), it's a pretty big deal. Either blurb is okay with me. 72.209.60.95 (talk) 16:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose A regional quarantine is not a common occurrence but this whole thing is causing a lot of uncommon events. For now ongoing is sufficient. However, I do anticipate that this will be blurbed again when, as now seems all but inevitable, it is formally declared to be a pandemic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - while notable, this entry would be redundant with the ongoing 2019-20 coronavirus outbreak entry. If other countries (e.g. South Korea, Japan, etc.) similarly go into partial quarantine, are they each going to be posted? Perhaps this might trigger a broader discussion on the layout of the ITN section and frontpage more generally. - Indefensible (talk) 16:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would argue that Japanese and Korean quarantines weren't as major - though yes, if they do quarantine Tokyo and/or Seoul, we may have to make a special format change to ITN for highly unusual events like this. Juxlos (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It does not seem unreasonable to think that another country could expand a quarantine to similar scale of Italy's lockdown in the near future. We should plan what to do in that case, because posting this entry would create a precedent which could prove problematic. - Indefensible (talk) 17:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Prefer Alt1. – Sca (talk) 18:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support because this lockdown needs more coverage by international media around the world. You are just not only count about significancy of their country such as Italy less than China, but how notable about information of this article. Alt1 prefered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.1.31.81 (talk) 21:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Likely duplicate vote This IP is a single-purpose account. Likely same person as 110.137.162.190 !vote (16:16, 8 March) above: both geolocated from Indonesia and !voted "Strong support" while citing similar global need for more attention/coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 04:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as fearmongering. If 16 million people actually were locked down, that'd be remarkable. But the article describes more a widespread safety advisory and several cancellations, like Eastern Canada gets during "extreme" heat or cold. And like weather news, this is dominating headlines because it's timely and relatable. Everyone and their dog knows what it feels like to sniffle, cough and stay home for a few days (it's "the bloody pits"). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    From the linked article: "forbidding their entry or exit without emergency circumstances under the penalty of fines and imprisonment of up to three months". How is this comparable to a safety advisory? What you're talking about are voluntary advisory warnings, but this is a legally enforced quarantine. It's in a completely different category. Btw, this isn't fear mongering at all either. It's a legitimate news event that is affecting millions of people, not a prediction about bad stuff that could possibly happen in the future. 72.209.60.95 (talk) 10:00, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose why would Italy doing this be notable, but the rest of the world not? Banedon (talk) 22:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody said that a mass lockdown in Italy is more notable than one another country. If Korea or Japan had taken such a drastic measure, I would have supported those making it to ITN. But the fact is that they haven't come close to taking action on the scale of this quarantine or the Hubei lockdown. 72.209.60.95 (talk) 09:53, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given the scale of the lockdown as I've seen in the news, I'm willing to switch to supporting this, with the caveat that we'll have some issues if other countries start their own lockdowns. Banedon (talk) 04:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There is no need to post the development of a story that already appears in ongoing. One possibility to make sure that the sticky reflects this is to expand its title from "Coronavirus outbreak" to "Coronavirus outbreak and responses".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – According to the BBC and the AP, on March 8 Italy reported 7,375 confirmed cases and 366 deaths. The existing article only says over 5,800 cases snd 233 deaths "at the time of the decree."
    In order to be timely, and not leave readers wondering how many people the virus has affected in Italy, the current figures should be included in the article – in the lead – and updated as appropriate. The statistics cited for "at the time of the decree" could remain where they are relevant, a third of the way down in the (2,000+ -word) article, in the section titled "Expansion." – Sca (talk) 14:59, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: – Note second paragraph in market report (which includes 6.5% drop in Dow this a.m.). – Sca (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point taken, but if nobody could travel in the US (or UK, for that matter) I'm fairly sure all the editors flooding into ITN would be a SNOW Support anyway. Juxlos (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which is why I'm concerned about posting this outside Ongoing without establishing the precedent for posting this is not because <country/> shut down, but that this is the first country-wide travel shutdown due to COVID as a major milestone of the progress of the outbreak. Any further country shutdowns - barring for extremely unusual circumstances - are the type of thing that ongoing would be suited for. --Masem (t) 22:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine. Just go ahead and supervote. No one really cares, I suppose. WaltCip (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
!vote count is support +1 several opposes said OG was "good enough" pull from OG until this blurb expires off then repost NP --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+1 with a large number of votes is pretty contentious and not much of a consensus in my opinion, but looks like it has just been removed. We should still plan on what to do if there are further quarantines of similar or larger scale, regardless of whether this is posted or not and whether it stays up in Ongoing or not. - Indefensible (talk) 01:26, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled No consensus yet. Sizable support that "ongoing" is sufficient.—Bagumba (talk) 01:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair pull. I certainly saw absolutely no clear consensus for this to be posted, despite my personal thoughts. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 01:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Ec Notifying Template:U here also. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 01:33, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support reinstatement. The article is developing nicely and the expanded lockdown is at the top of the headlines. SounderBruce 01:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article looks to be in good shape. -- Tavix (talk) 01:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Top of all news, article good. Kingsif (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - WP:SPECULATION noted, but also WP:NOTNEWS. If this event is supported, what is the recommendation if other similar or greater quarantines follow? For example if France and Germany each start their own lockdowns, there should be a plan. Added altblurb2; more succinct and less redundant with the Ongoing entry. - Indefensible (talk) 03:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd say Italy is especially notable as the first developed nation to go on lockdown. If France and Germany start lockdowns, it wouldn't necessarily be newsworthy because they're not breaking new ground like Italy is. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:03, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not really convincing to me, a quick search shows that China had lockdowned 35, 50, and then even 780 million people a couple weeks ago, which would dwarf the event in Italy. The "first developed nation" is somewhat arbitrary. If Australia goes on lockdown, there will be the first continental lockdown with 25 million people affected, which would be noteworthy by a similar principle. But if France and Germany each lockdown, they are both adding more people affected than Australia would or are currently quarantined in Italy. That would be more significant in my opinion than simply being the first country. - Indefensible (talk) 04:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as a significant development. Meets ITN criteria of updated, significant, and quality. Kees08 (Talk) 05:59, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support replacement. While China was starting its lockdowns we were featuring coronavirus as a blurb. The situation in Italy has been top of the BBC news for days. If France, Germany or Australia follow then that can be added. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I hold to my technical oppose because the development of the story is already documented in the article linked from ongoing. It doesn't mean that this particular development is not notable but it appears in the ITN section with a sticky, which is usually reserved for globally important lasting events in order to prevent navel-gazing from frequent posting of multiple blurbs. As per my previous comment, expanding the title to reflect the responses would be more than sufficient.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Still Oppose blurb, per Kiril. Italy is hardly the first country to face major restrictions because of this. Iran, Japan have done imposed such,even if not technically a lockdown. Saudi Arabia has sealed off a region today. More will follow. This will be an ongoing worldwide story for for foreseeable, with seemingly major developments all the time, and let's not reinforce WP:SYSTEMICBIAS by only focusing on western and European countries.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, using alt1 or similar wording. We can leave the main coronavirus entry in ongoing if that assuages any concerns. It's been difficult to know when to put coronavirus back as a blurb, and ongoing has been a good place for it, but the quarantine of an entire country (a G7 member with a population of 60 million) is a major escalation. We posted the Hubei quarantine as well, so this would be consistent with previous coverage. Modest Genius talk 11:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If we must post one blurb about the coronavirus - this one, or the silly stock market "crash" blurb - I would opt to post this one instead. I guess in that sense, it's a mild support from me, reversing my previous oppose.--WaltCip (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It seems a coronavirus blurb is inevitable despite it being in Ongoing, and this is better than the stock market one.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I don't support a stock market posting either. (Market appeared to be recovering in early trading Tues.) I do think the Italian 'lockdown' becoming nationwide is notable, and reported deaths in Italy have reached 464. – Sca (talk) 14:03, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support - How has this not been reposted yet? However, I think its worth commenting that I believe posting this story shouldn't affect posting about Black Monday. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 15:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-posted, with a courtesy ping to Template:U who pulled it early this morning, in case they strongly object to my re-post. Although I still have my own reservations about it, it is clear from the posts that have come in today that there is now a fairly strong consensus to post. Per Masem's comments I have included a note that Italy is the first to do a national quarantine, which may help offset accusations that this sets a precedent for future countries being posted.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq Template:Re Is Italy really the first and not China? For example, CNN wrote that it was only Template:TqBagumba (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK, China's quarantine was centered on, and maybe limited to (?), Wuhan and its province, Hubei. – Sca (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the "first" in the headline. Checked the actual article, and the "first" claim there is not backed up by the cited source. -- Fuzheado | Talk 16:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping actually it is in the source: Template:Xt. It's also sourced elsewhere: [27]. Perhaps the source itself it inaccurate though, I'm not sure whether every part of China was on a full lockdown or not.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some cities surrounding Wuhan are also in quarantine, but the lockdown is hardly nation wide. Other cities are operating as per normal after an extended holiday break (with masks and all). robertsky (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-reposting support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Important comment Now that many other countries (Spain, France, the Netherlands, Israel, etc.) are going on lockdown as well, let me ask this: is it necessary to list Italy as the sole example of a lockdown in response to the coronavirus in "In The News" anymore? I believe we should either list some of the other countries to establish balance, reword the blurb to something along the lines of "Italy becomes the first country to go under lockdown", or even remove all mention of the Italy lockdown from "In The News" altogether. It just doesn't seem fair that Italy is the only country mentioned here, but I guess that's a natural consequence of the situation being a current pandemic. What do you think? Victionarier (talk) 13:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • With the addition of the new banner to cover COVID related links, I have removed the Italy part of the blurb. (the WHO declaration is still blurb worthy on its own). --Masem (t) 19:48, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose per Black Kite; even the S&P 500 ETF opening drop is only the 3rd-highest on record, behind 17 Sep 2001 and 23 Oct 2008. Whether it even reaches the bear market threshold of 20% decline from the all-time peak earlier in the calendar year remains to be seen, and even then not sure if it is ITN-worthy. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 19:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this is major business news, 20% is three weeks puts us into a bear market. The problem is, oil prices had been slumping for a while and today's sell off is in response to the price war, not COVID 19. Article needs to reflect the same. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there is no "the stock market" so that's a bad start to the blurb. It's not great news, but it's not as significant as the ongoing Covid-19 issues which this community deem unworthy of re-blurbing. This isn't the coat hanger for a pandemic update. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:56, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We have the coronavirus ongoing for anything related to that, which this is what it is. I recognize there's a oil price thing also going on too, which itself is also coupled with the coronavirus (saudi shutting off travel), but again, all related to fears from over the weekend, and was expected from the Italy lockdown. --Masem (t) 20:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Add'l Comment Calling this drop "Black Monday" seems premature based on sourcing. There is definitely a few sources today calling it that but its not universal, and this would fall into being a failure of WP:NEO. Only time will tell if this should be called a Black Monday, but it won't be today or tomorrow. --Masem (t) 20:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: If you don't like the article title of "Black Monday" but you agree on notability, it's probably not an issue. "Black Monday" could be an inline reference such as "The stock market crashes| due to coronavirus fears and oil price wars." and then we can have the article naming debate on the article page. Peace, MPS (talk) 21:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Even with that, a one day slump noways most often is corrected the next day. Its a wait-and-see we need to watch for. If over a week we see global markets tank their worst, then that's a trend to hang a hat one, but one day, nope. --Masem (t) 22:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oil had been slumping since last year on weakened demand due to the Trump trade war. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:09, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but Revise instead of "The stock market crashes due to coronavirus fears and oil price wars," say "Global financial markets crash the most since 2008 financial crash due to coronavirus fears and oil price wars" ... because there is more than one stock market. The key here is that, regardless of cause it was notable because it was GLOBAL and the crash was superlatively bad (worst since 2008). Peace, MPS (talk) 20:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the article looks to be in good enough shape. -- Tavix (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Percentage is what matters. The real news is crude oil crashing: ~25% decline in a day, second-biggest ever. And following on from that, Treasury yields plummeted to unprecedented lows. Stocks are just reacting to that plus COVID worries. (For people who don't speak finance: Treasuries are considered the safest thing there is, so when people freak out they stash all their money there. Yield = interest.) --47.146.63.87 (talk) 20:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support market just closed. This is potentially one of the most chaotic days in the financial world since the financial crisis. I expect this to be very headline news tomorrow, but I agree title may need to be more generic for the time being. Juxlos (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for the alternative blurb. I nominated something very similar a few weeks ago, and still believe it is noteworty. Per discussion from last time, I agree with the point that we do not necessarily need to limit our focus on the DJIA; we could also mention the record drop in the S&P 500. --bender235 (talk) 21:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle. Largest drop in oil in nearly thirty years, largest percentage drop since 2008, largest net point drop ever, breaking a record from two weeks ago. If this is not newsworthy, then nothing from the world of business is newsworthy. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • + alt blurb 2 -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment blurb 2 is doubly wrong: the crash is attributed not just to the coronavirus but to the oil price drop, and now the whole of italy is under travel restrictions. --Masem (t) 21:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I just saw they extended the quarantine. I will have to amend the alt blurb 2. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed it for now. The oil crash is part of the cause though COVID-19 is a huge weight on the markets. We probably will have to blurb Italy going into national self quarantine. I don't think that's happened in modern times. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:50, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why the alt blurb --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we fixating on the Dow Jones? Is it because it's Amurican? Plenty of other "stock markets" out there. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do go along with the sentiment to avoid regional focus. In this case, every major economy's stock indices declined by similar percentages. But like I said above, the movement in oil and Treasuries is actually the bigger deal, and stocks are just reacting to that. (The Treasury market is the biggest securities market in the world, period.) A lot of the public tends to focus on stock indices because they're more intuitive and volatile (big numbers = impressive), but for gauging economic sentiment experts tend to pay attention to sovereign debt and commodities. I would suggest a blurb something like, "Crude oil sees its biggest single-day drop since 1991, while Treasury yields and global stock indices decline sharply, in response to COVID spread and an oil price war". --47.146.63.87 (talk) 23:59, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: stock index futures are bouncing back a bit at the moment, so it's unlikely that the markets will continue dropping like a rock. Tokyo just opened for trading if you want to watch that for an idea of trends. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 00:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"The ASX 200 index was up 1.3 per cent or 74 points to 5,834 at about 1.30pm." (that's forty minutes ago) from Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Note that says "UP"! HiLo48 (talk) 03:15, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you read the discussion above, this is a mix of COVID 19 and an OPEC civil war -- both on top of a three year long global trade war. Asian markets are down again today. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Asian markets would all still be open. Please see my comment just a little bit above about the Australia market have now risen. HiLo48 (talk) 03:37, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Oppose (at least for now) - While business and stock market-related subjects are consequential and underrepresented in my opinion, further market action of which this is a component may be more relevant and make this trivial. As noted elsewhere, Wikipedia is primarily an encyclopedia and not a news source, so subject matter coverage should be comprehensive more than timely. - Indefensible (talk) 01:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb above: "The stock market crashes due to coronavirus fears and oil price wars," say "Global financial markets crash the most since 2008 financial crash due to coronavirus fears and oil price wars". This is a significant event and its surprising that it is not listed. Ljgua124 (talk) 04:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The issue is if the DJIA drops 8% tomorrow, is that going to be posted too? If it then drops 9% next Monday, will that again be posted? These noteworthy events leave open the possibility of rapid succession of the same or similar kind, which must be planned for comprehensively. Wikipedia is not a news site currently, it is an encyclopedia. If the record bull market ends and/or a recession begins, that would be the more appropriate event to post in my opinion because of its larger scope/impact and uniqueness. - Indefensible (talk) 04:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      We could post the crude oil and Treasury drops, since those are huge events and won't be repeated anytime soon. Crude fell the most in nearly 30 years; Treasury yield curve is totally below 1% for the first time ever I think. Although I don't know if we have good enough targets to link. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 06:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this is a very notable event in its own right & isn't merely a small detail of the coronavirus outbreak. The 2 causes - coronavirus & the massive fall in oil prices need to be included in the blurb. The FTSE, AEX, Cac, DAX, IBEX & DJ all closed at 8% down yesterday. The MIB closed at 11% down. Jim Michael (talk) 06:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support And the notion that there's no such thing as "the stock market" makes no sense here; EVERY market dropped by historic amounts yesterday. Indeed, THE stock market is well into correction (-10% from recent peak) or even bear market (-20%) NO MATTER WHAT particular market you are referring to. The "Black Monday" phrasing is well represented in the financial press. There's no enough space in the ITN box to highlight all the superlatives that happened yesterday, so just getting something up and directing readers to the article is the best that we could do for this item. If this can't get posted, we might as well decide to never post business items on ITN, ever.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:34, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed - if this doesn't qualify for inclusion, no financial story does. This is a bigger story than the large daily falls during the 2008 crash, because they were part of a severe bear market that was caused by the Great Recession. Yesterday's was due to a combination of viral outbreak & an argument about oil. Jim Michael (talk) 08:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As it did the last time we had a drop of this sort. This demonstrates how pointless it is to hitch one's wagon to the stock market, something that is prone to volatility. I think The Who were right -- let's not get fooled again. --WaltCip (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uninvolved admin comment I see a rough consensus to post. However, "blurb" is too generic and "alt blurb" does not have a world view that many discussed. "Alt II" part about bear market is not mentioned in current article, and can be easily removed, but the bigger issue is the "dramatic fall" is not referring to a discrete event (e.g. "the X% drop", "largest drop since", etc) and now many markets are up today.[30] Without consensus for a more concise blurb on a specific event, generic "falls" risk being quickly dated in a volatile market.—Bagumba (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The "fall" happened on the date in question (9 Mar). Whether the market goes up later doesn't change history. Like I mentioned above, far too many superlatives achieved yesterday for a concise yet encompassing blurb.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, there is precedence for this. When the U.S. government went into shutdown a year or so ago, a blurb was posted to that effect. Once the shutdown ended, there was a consensus to pull the blurb from ITN. News ceases to be news when the overall impact of it is reversed in short order. The government can be turned back on. Money can be put back into the stock market. In that sense, we handle these sorts of stories differently from disasters involving loss of human life, because of course you can't resurrect the dead.--WaltCip (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The financial effects are also very significant; markets are rarely this volatile. The virus has cost the world economy many billions. The stock market crash has greatly adversely affected millions of people. Travel has been greatly reduced, especially in regard to China & Italy. A lot of businesses have shut down. It's not just the deaths that matter, and in any case the financial effects of it will certainly have led to suicides. Jim Michael (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's worth noting that this significant crash was also caused not just by the coronavirus, but also a trade dispute between Saudi Arabia and Russia. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 15:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it's the epidemic itself that matters most. (Note that the Italian lockdown blurb has been re-posted.) – Sca (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I think ALT3 is the worst blurb of the lot. As opposed to some of the other blurbs which focused speciously on the Dow Jones, ALT3 is unhelpful and vague and may as well just say "Coronavirus bad". I think if you're going to zone in on a particular part of how financial markets have been rattled, the oil price indices would be the most suitable choice. "Global financial markets" is just a series of buzzwords.--WaltCip (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Edited for your sake. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 17:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
More acceptable now.--WaltCip (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't see any notation problems for the ALT0 and ALT2... However, I've cited it in the lede. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 18:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's a common term. Obviously it's not going to have been anywhere near as much of a topic of conversation & media coverage in countries in which it did not happen. Jim Michael (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – "Suffer their largest single-day decline" is quite likely to be outdated – or stale – in a few days. IMO, we only needed one Coronavirus-related blurb in ITN, and Italy's national 'lockdown' was it. – Sca (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is a good thing that this was caused by the OPEC civil war. Whatever happens in a few days, global stocks plunged by record amounts on Monday. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: Today is Wednesday. – Sca (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Sca, I had forgotten what with all the fuss about Coronavirus. It's got me in a tizzy.--WaltCip (talk) 18:52, 11 March 2020
Me too, Walt. I dumped my two little mutual funds Monday.... Oh well. – Sca (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2020 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

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Can you Please take a look now ? Thanks Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks improved, but still needs more referencing I think. - Indefensible (talk) 00:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Have time to re-review this? Want to make sure your concerns were addressed. Kees08 (Talk) 16:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks done.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping We usually require sections like literary works to be cited (unless the citation just before it is supposed to cover it?) Kees08 (Talk) 17:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
there are 2 citations.Please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support. Seems to be sufficiently referenced, and I think it may be good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks OK. – Ammarpad (talk) 12:02, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Limited coverage on the RD candidate. No major new sources covered this person's death, with the exception of his respective national media. Article still needs work i.e. loose hyperlinks and most sections are choppy. DoctorSpeed ✉️
    Respectfully, this Oppose makes no sense. As long as the death is attested somewhere, and cited as such in the article, then it's fine. And the quality requirements at WP:ITN only require it to be not a stub and adequately cited, without maintenance tags. It doesn't have to be B class or –anything like that, so "choppy sections" and "loose hyperlinks" don't enter into the debate.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Respectfully, this response seems bias judging from the topics the user has contributed the most in. DoctorSpeed ✉️
  • Posted Stephen 01:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I too tried without success to find another source for the death, in German or English. I did add his age. – Sca (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Rather oddly, Bresch isn't in German Wiki's RD section today. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW German wiki uses this citation and is listed on their recent deaths (they just updated it recently). Kees08 (Talk) 06:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So it is, with the correct dod. Alles in Ordnung, then. Danke.– Sca (talk) 15:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support Looks good to me. --Masem (t) 15:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Article is currently rated as stub class. - Indefensible (talk) 15:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few concerns. First, the death is cited to a purchased obituary, which is not a reliable source. Second, the article seems to reflect a rather pedestrian career in academia. Are we missing something of her accomplishments? What's there doesn't seem to clear WP:NACADEMIC. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (if death verified). Pless satisfies WP:NACADEMIC, criterion 3, second part, 100% no opinion needed: she was a Fellow of the American Mathematical Society [31]. In fact, she was elected in 2013, the very first year the program was created. 2607:F470:6:1015:6DF9:D944:BEA5:E6CD (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed she was. I was confusing the membership numbers (which are not quite "highly selective") for the fellowship numbers. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:38, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Question. In what sense is a purchased obituary not an RS? I would agree that "self-promotion" is not an RS for most purposes, but perhaps the bald fact of death (and the date) is reasonable. I have no real opinion either way, but the clock is ticking on the RD "freshness". I expect UIC and the AMS will have something up in a few days. (Disclaimer: I have a slight bias, having learned coding theory from her book way back when.) 2607:F470:6:1015:D512:22FD:EB48:91B2 (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A "purchased" or short-form obit is not sufficient at all for notability, but is okay otherwise for facts. But that begs a question: take that obit out, and her death is not in the news at all. (as I check now). Can we still post it? I hate to say no on people that are otherwise notable that we can proof their death happened but not in the news (and in this case, nixing a female academic really hurts if we have to go that way). --Masem (t) 23:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    If I understand your question, the requirement for RD is only that the report of death is reliable sourced, not that the death is prominently featured. The RS (Chicago Tribune) is not reporting that she died in its own voice. A purchased obit can be placed by anyone and is not vetted by the RS - it's like an ad. FWIW, if a RS emerges a week from now, we can post then without it being stale. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It was more a hypothetical to everyone. Again, this is "in the news", and a paid obit alone is not "in the news". And I would argue that if some news source (even academy one) came out a week from now with this "news", that would make this death stale. I would reasonably expert her teaching institution to at least catch wind of this. --Masem (t) 03:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage: article lacks information about what she did in her career and contributions to the field of mathematics; at present, it is basically a CV in prose format. SpencerT•C 02:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Spencer, the article has large gaps of time in her biography. Even short articles should be relatively comprehensive, and this one jumps around too much and leaves too much unknown. Would support if expanded. --Jayron32 16:13, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2020 Ingenheim derailment

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The 7th TGV derailment this year? I don't think so. Last TGV derailment was in 2015. Mjroots (talk) 12:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that you are interested in posting a story that is tied to your personal passion. That's fine! But understand that not everyone is a big train stan like you. Attacking reasonable opposition as weak (as you did just last month with another derailment) or deliberately misrepresenting an argument that is right there for everyone to see is a bad look. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:41, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD/Blurb: Javier Pérez de Cuéllar

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  • Comment - This is not ready yet I think, a lot of statements seem unreferenced currently. - Indefensible (talk) 03:57, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For simplicity, I've reduced these ITNC to one, which we generally do for cases where a blurb for an RD is suggested from the start. --Masem (t) 04:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality, opposed blurb on importance Article has a handful of CNs to be fixed before it can be posted. In terms of blurb, the SG of the UN is not as important as a world, though some have been more influential than others. I don't think Perez de Cuellar has that (or at least, our page is certainly lacking any significance to show why he period was significiant). A one year stint as PM isn't enough for the blurb aspect. --Masem (t) 04:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's a commemoration for his tenure as the United Nations Secretary General rather than his Prime Ministership. I remind you that Kofi Annan was ITN.
@Masem Also, on the note of importance, I'd suggest you read this. DoctorSpeed ✉️
What? I can barely understand your broken English. If you're saying that Perez de Cuellar isn't of international importance, than you clearly don't know that he was the United Nations Secretary General for nearly 10 years. DoctorSpeed ✉️
In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link; and
Comparisons to deaths of prior persons [eg. Thatcher & Mandela] are rarely considered sufficient to post [as blurbs] in absence of consensus
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The blurb guidelines offer several distinct avenues to qualify. You're quoting the first bullet point, where this nom is suggesting qualification under the third bullet point. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reference to Mandela or Thatcher anywhere in our guidelines. This is a standard some editors seem to have adopted on their own. Others, including myself, reject it as unreasonable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, it's covered by the line Template:Tq. The deaths of Mandela, Thatcher, Bowie, Prince, and even Carrie Fisher were "major stories". – Muboshgu (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Centenarian dies. Obituaries are written, but there's no major outpouring of remembrances in the way there were for Mandela or Bowie. This is what RD is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support for RD only given the role of the United Nations as the Secretary-General of the organization is important part. Someone who suggest only Thatcher and Mandela be notable isn't relevant to this. Any persons which a role in the carrer should be posted as RD regardless they are less notability than Thatcher or Mandela. I only Oppose blurb because grammatical errors in the blurb.
  • Support - For RD. Time to post this to RD for now. Discussions can continue.BabbaQ (talk) 23:43, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per above. Transformative world leader. As others have noted above, the Mandela/Thatcher standard is entirely unreasonable and is not policy. Davey2116 (talk) 00:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:U, the policy itself is the death making news as the Mandela and Bowie deaths did. This doesn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The policy allows for "transformative world leaders in their field" to be posted, which is the rationale I gave for supporting the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 01:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This person deserves to be posted, but unfortunately the article quality is just not there still. Multiple cn tags still on statements of basic facts. This is not ready for posting. - Indefensible (talk) 00:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Amo Houghton

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(Posted) RD: Rosalind P. Walter

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(Posted) RD: Freimut Duve

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I don’t think the class actually matters as long as the article is above stub length, but I’ve upgraded it to Start anyway. P-K3 (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nicolas Portal

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I have added some contemporary sources. But some people, whose work is done more in the background, are simply only acknowledged properly when they're gone sadly. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:11, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Point of clarification: We want to be assured that their life before their death was notable, not that sources in the article at the time of ITNC are before the death. I think the example case that you might be thinking why we want this was that of a college basketball player, an unremarkable career to that point, that got drafted to NBA and then died in a college accident, and suddenly tons of sources about him because of the tragic death. But, take out the death, and the college career was nothing that we'd have documented before. A quick read of the Guardian article on Portal suggests we're dealing with someone that established their notability long ago. And a quick GNews pre-2018 search shows sufficient sourcing out there to not be an issue (eg [33]) --Masem (t) 14:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thanks for taking to time to clarify. Aside, this subject specifically qualifies under WP:NCYC, which I should have checked first. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Bobbie Battista

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(Posted) Pritzker Prize

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(Posted) Nashville Tornado

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  • Oppose. Tragic, and an early March tornado is somewhat uncommon, but this is a very localized event in an area that regularly sees tornadoes. ZettaComposer (talk) 14:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment"At least" nine Nineteen fatalities, and extensive property damage in an urban area, is unusual, though. – Sca (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It is a bit early in the season but it is still ripe for tornado weather in that region. Willing to reconsider if damage becomes much worse per Sca. --Masem (t) 14:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's at least 19 dead across four counties (this included the 9 above), so that might be a better scope, though still... this is not yet uncommon. [35]. --Masem (t) 16:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is a one-sentence stub whose full text is basically the text of the blurb. Cannot post that. Since news sources are clearly covering the event, this has already met the "significance" hurdle, but the "quality article" is a major problem. Fix the article, and I will change my vote. --Jayron32 14:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Update vote to Support. Article has been expanded to sufficient length now. It could still use more work in general, but it's over the line for me. --Jayron32 17:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, obviously 'article' needs major expansion. Link to local Tennessean, Washington Post articles added. (It's also on NYT but I hit their paywall.)Sca (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Article is arguably postable, but IMO needs more narrative prose telling the story. Listing deaths in a chart would be OK at the bottom, but is not writing. – Sca (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Getting close. Table needs refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
AP now sez 22. Still needs prose. – Sca (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, the huge charts in the middle of the article disrupt narrative (story-telling) prose and don't belong there. Oh well. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's pretty standard in articles on tornado outbreaks. --Masem (t) 05:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I only added prose but the table helped make the article look a decent size at the time of posting. So, no complaints on that from me. Also, not at all familiar with how tornado articles are written, so... Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: James Lipton

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(Closed) 2019–20 Iraqi protests

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Comment probably refers to the Assassination and intimidation campaign section, which is covered in CN tags and orange tagged. This is a show stopper for the front page, regardless of other merits. Oppose for good measure at least until this is resolved.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:32, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it quite abundantly does explain why the nomination is lacking. Cheers now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Siamand Rahman

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(Posted) RD: Jack Welch

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  • Comment Now the death part is in prose and sourced. --Masem (t) 15:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article looks good. An inline cite would be nice for the 30 Rock appearance, but the details are sufficient we could consider this an explicit attribution to the episode itself. I don't consider that a hold up. The rest of it is well-referenced and well-written.--Jayron32 15:49, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Inline cite has been done for 30 Rock. PotentPotables (talk) 16:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–present)

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One thing that is missing from this article appears to be the issues with refugees fleeing to Europe via Turkey [36] which probably should be documented as well. I believe this wave of refugees is from the latest offensive. --Masem (t) 14:15, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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