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March 31

ITN candidates for March 31

Srebrenica

I leave this to others' judgement. Physchim62 (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about this one. One the one hand, they condemn it and (I think) apologize, but they do not call the killings genocide. --PlasmaTwa2 06:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say this kind of public, official confession (can't think of a better word) of a past atrocity is a BIG deal, and is quite rare.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We could include that part in the blurb, stating that critics are upset since the apology is shy of using the term genocide. __meco (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This might be slightly straying from NPOV but I feel the issue of whether the term 'genocide' is/isn't used isn't that significant here (though many complain that it is significant). To me it is very significant that they're issuing any sort of condemnation of this atrocity. National governments rarely do this.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So what if the word genocide was not used? These are the semantics, even Wikipedia uses "massacre" as it's more widely accepted. Anyway the declaration says that the event is defined per ICJ ruling. The ICJ found that while Serbia is not responsible for the massacre itself (it was not perpetrated or organized by the forces or anyone else from Serbia), they found that Serbia didn't do enough to try to prevent it and Serbia by this declaration appologized for not doing enough to prevent the massacre and condemned the massacre itself.--Avala (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG Support its a big move here. akin to setting precedent (as australia did) for armenia-turkey, and the americas even (perhaps). a move that can cahnge the course of serbian politics/IR
Support - good article to be in the front page. --China Dialogue News 13:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Shahram Amiri

This is big news for information on the nuclear ambitions of Iran. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 12:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure on this one. It's interesting but not really Earth-shattering. I'll wait to hear some other opinions before I make up my mind, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What if he provides the US with information that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program. He could prove to deliver the decisive piece of evidence which justified a war against Iran, or initially at least an armed strike on these facilities, With this admittedly speculative perspective this does seem an important event. __meco (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning toward support, if updated a bit more. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Too many ifs at the moment... oppose for now, may support if there is some development. --Tone 16:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Too iffy as Tone said. --candlewicke 23:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 30

ITN candidates for March 30

Ahmed bin Zayed Al Nahyan

"Brother of United Arab Emirates’ president" and "managing director of the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, considered the world's largest sovereign wealth fund with assets estimated at more than $600bn", his body has been found by Moroccan and French divers after a four-day search by countries such as Morocco, France, Spain, the UAE and the United States. --candlewicke 21:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support because he was the brother of UAE President and then, one of the powerful man in the world according to Forbes :] --Saki talk 09:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Was he holding any official post in UAE or you want this to be posted on ITN just because he was brother of President of UAE & a rich man? --GPPande 11:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He was listed as the 2nd in Forbes The World's Richest Royals in 2008 and 3rd in 2009. His father was the founder of UAE, he served as Interior Minister of United Arab Emirates in 2004 and was appointed the Under Secretary of UAE Ministry of Finance and Industry in 2007. --Saki talk 08:09, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose An important figure in world finance, and I would have supported featuring his death if there had been suspicions of criminal circumstances. With this apparently being a straightforward accident I don't think he is sufficiently prominent to warrant giving this an ITN spot. __meco (talk) 13:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why only deaths having suspicions of criminal circumstances are being considered for ITN? --Saki talk 08:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LHC record

Collision between two 3.5 TeV proton beams in the Large Hadron Collider in CERN, Geneva sets the world record for the highest energy man-made particle collisions.

  • why this not in front page yet ... this is very significant news. [1] --zayani (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because there is exactly one sentence of update. It needs more than that to get on ITN. --Tone 14:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added update in a section. The relevant timeline table etc. has already been updated. SPat talk 14:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Thue | talk 18:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this still going to be a April Fools entry? --PlasmaTwa2 19:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from Future events
LHC will attempt to collide first particle beams at 3.5 TeV. Times. Quite possibly the biggest news in particle physics history if its successful, since they spent billions of $s and 15+ years to get to this point. This would all obviously depend on it actually working. LHC turn on which happened in 2008 clearly did not go so well. -- Ashish-g55 03:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 29

ITN candidates for March 29

Patent on human genes is ruled invalid

Rendering of a protein
Portrait from above of a man in his sixties wearing a black judge's robe

U.S. District Court judge Robert W. Sweet rules that patents on human genes BRCA1 and BRCA2 are invalid.

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We should have a separate article on this issue, since there has been much controversy surrounding it, for instance Human genes patenting controversy, or perhaps something connecting it to the related issue concerning plants or all life. Otherwise support. __meco (talk) 07:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gene patent is a better target article than patent (I would ignore the company's article Myriad Genetics). -SusanLesch (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. By the way, Google News is linking to gene patent. We do have a public domain photo of the judge (it is the first time that a federal judge ruled gene patents invalid). -SusanLesch (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support (While this will go to SCOTUS, the initial ruling is bigger news.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pritzker Prize

BBC Won by a Japanese pair of architects, Kazuyo Sejima and Ryue Nishizawa. The Pritzker prize is supposed to be the most prestigious award in architecture. Which ever target article gets chosen will need work, however.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The prize article is even a FL. And we have a fresh free image of Nishizawa available. --Tone 07:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Can this be merged with the Tokyo Sky Tree nomination below? --GPPande 15:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support: I was thinking of nominating this as well, given that we don't often run stories specifically about architecture, but I desisted when I saw the sheer number of architecture prizes out there... still, I've no serious objections. Physchim62 (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support because when Jean Nouvel won, posting it resulted in a much better article. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. ITNR as well then? --candlewicke 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 20:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITNR. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very good to see some cultural news on the main page. There are several good images exemplifying SANAA's work which could be included, like the Dior Building in Tokyo and the Zollverein School of Management and Design in Essen, both mentioned in the Jury's citation for the Prize. Elekhh (talk) 23:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for a photo. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tokyo Sky Tree

Tokyo Sky Tree has reached a height of 338m, surpassing Tokyo Tower as the tallest structure in Tokyo and Japan.[2] --TorsodogTalk 15:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until inauguration - TouLouse (talk) 15:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless it becomes the tallest in the world. Tallest in japan or tokyo would be not really be that relavent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.61.152 (talk) 16:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This tower will become the second tallest structure on earth upon completion. I don't think a structure has to be taller than Khalifa to be featured on the main page, as I don't see that happening anytime soon. --TorsodogTalk 17:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think it has to be taller than Khalifa but it should be tallest in something for example, tallest tower or tallest building. Or tallest tower in East Asia. Anyway should be complete and opened before it is posted and that is a few years away. 76.69.61.152 (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. At 625m it will be shorter than the Burj Khalifa. but when it is finished, I hope it is nominated again for more discussion. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until completion :) --Saki talk 09:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rio Tinto espionage case

A Chinese court has found four executives of Rio Tinto Group, one of the worlds biggest mining companies, guilty of bribery and industrial espionage [3] --Daviessimo (talk) 07:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, looks like a new article, well-referenced and not a stub anymore. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candlewicke 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moscow explosions

BBC. Two separate explosions, now 37 dead. It just happened so I'm sure it'll take time to get a decent article and consistant news reports. An article has been started.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. It's first serial bombings in Moscow Metro. --TarzanASG (talk) 06:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major news. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously, strong support. --PlasmaTwa2 07:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support also. Its been a long while since there has been a major attack in Moscow --Daviessimo (talk) 07:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. 2010 Moscow Metro terrorist bombings is the article. —  Cargoking  talk  08:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mjroots (talk) 09:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Naturally, support - TouLouse (talk) 09:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I believe there is a photo we can use (at least Metro station). --Tone 09:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the presence on the main page. but are you kidding about the use of "terrorist" on the MAIN page. I mean if there is a rule on wikipedia itself about this then how does it manage to get on the main page. WP:Terrorist is an old and even controvesial rule, however it is established on wikipedia. STRONGER SUPPORT to change the wordign to something like "attacks in Moscow..."
All true, I changed to Two bombings ... now. Thanks for noticing. The article remains at this moment, maybe you should drop a not there as well. --Tone 10:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i already changed the "terrorist" in the title. (apparently it had the Metro bombings title but someone moved it to "terrorist". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihaas (talkcontribs) 13:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are some useful photos in the article, we need a new one for ITN box... --Tone 21:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Makombo massacre

Quite big. If anyone has time to work on it. Who dare oppose this if updated? =| --candlewicke 03:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A horrendous massacre. Clear cut ITN spot. __meco (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, also, please suggest a blurb. --Tone 09:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Article appears adequate, though barely so. The subject matter is clearly notable enough.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have expanded it a bit. If we update we need to bear in mind that the Obama item has got to stay (or find a pic for another item) as it is the only pic we have at the moment - Dumelow (talk) 19:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved responses to the above post discussing blurb image update not specifically related to this nomination to Wikipedia talk:In the news#Blurb picture update. __meco (talk) 08:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do people feel about: "Human Rights Watch says it has discovered the killings of at least 321 people by the Lord's Resistance Army in the Democratic Republic of the Congo". I am not too sure about the wording, someone can probably improve it - Dumelow (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, given I'm still not too happy with the article title, I like the piping of it in the ITN blurb; which I think is fine. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This has been improved now. --candlewicke 20:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted - Dumelow (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fatal bombing in central Athens

For the first time in years there has been a fatal bombing in Greece. The death toll is small but ITN has featured small (and even no) death tolls before. BBC says the location was "an institute for training public officials. Police said there had been no warning". Is there support for an article? International coverage: Al Jazeera, Xinhua, The Guardian, RTÉ, The Sydney Morning Herald, Press TV, CNN, France24, People's Daily, The Globe and Mail . --candlewicke 01:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. it might be the first fatal bombing in years, but it's the third bombing in about ten days from my count, so at some point someone was going to get seriously hurt or killed. Neutral for the moment. Physchim62 (talk) 02:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I support Physchim62 thoughts. Though this has been the first to kill someone Greece has seen small level bombings recently. Lets not post this one. --GPPande 10:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In light of Moscow, I have to concur with not posting this, as well. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Nominated before Moscow. --candlewicke 20:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]
I know, and until that, I probably would have supported this. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Brad, but, er, why are we whispering? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 28

ITN candidates for March 28

Russia located in 13 standard time zones reduced the number of its time zones from 11 to 9.

I think that this time revolution is interesting and important. --TarzanASG (talk) 12:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to only affect small or sparsely populated zones totalling around 3% of Russias population. Is this really important outside Russia? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Interesting but not a major news item of the week.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While interesting, it doesn't seem to affect that much of the Russian Federation's population. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese carmaker buys Volvo

Chinese auto manufacturer Geely has agreed to terms with Ford to purchase the Swedish-based Volvo Cars for $1.8 billion. BBC.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major international deal, very recognizable car companies involved, and I believe a first for a Chinese car company.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I tweaked your comment- hope you don't mind. The deal is 1.8 billion USD, not million. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks:)--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'd agree with that. However, Volvo is a very recognizable global brand.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This a historic sale which ITN should present. __meco (talk) 08:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I used an image of the Ford CEO, which should solve our image problems for now - Dumelow (talk) 10:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Track Cycling World Champs

2010 UCI Track Cycling World Championships if expanded YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 27

ITN candidates for March 27

Butler in Final Four

I am in the midst of a complete overhaul of the Stevens article; I will be referencing everything over the next few hours, then expanding the info not specifically about this season. When its ready, I can put the article on DYK, if preferred, but I think it would fit better on ITN. Butler's run will be the biggest sports story in the USA all week, so this could run immediately or on April 3 (the date of the next game). [4][5][6][7] --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer DYK in this case. --Tone 11:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Off-topic, but for the nominator's information, this article needs 500 more characters of prose to be DYK eligible. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Earth Hour 2010

  • Earth Hour 2010 will take place on March 27, 2010 from 8:30 pm to 9:30 pm, local time. I am not sure if an item on the day would be best, or a preliminary news cast, or a report of how many cities world wide took part and the impact. Currently not a lot written about 2010 as the news has not happened as of this early March date.SriMesh | talk 23:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's already listed in On This Day. Adding it twice is overkill (you wouldn't add people celebrating Christmas to ITN). ~DC Talk To Me 16:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Concur. On this day is plenty of recognition for this, Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is now March 28, UTC, so the OTD page no longer appears. However, since Earth Hour is local time, the west coast of the U.S. is not observing it yet. I would, however, like some preliminary statistics as to how many people observed it. HereToHelp (talk to me) 02:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per DC. --PlasmaTwa2 03:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above. --Johnsemlak (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)above.[reply]

Albert Gonzalez

Tech story anyone? Mr. Gonzalez perpetrated "the largest and most costly example of computer hacking in US history", according to the judge who sentenced him to 20 years imprisonment (BBC News) obtaining and reselling more than 130 million credit card numbers. The article seems in reasonable shape overall, although the update still needs work. Physchim62 (talk) 00:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support when updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ditto --Johnsemlak (talk) 18:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Killer icicles terrorise Russians"

"Russia's coldest winter in 30 years". The headline caught my eye. Is it usable? --candlewicke 02:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For april fools, certainly. Modest Genius talk 02:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean the headline but the story behind it. That's a lot of injuries without even counting the deaths. --candlewicke 03:08, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article?--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
2010 Russian winter or whatever the established naming format is for these articles? —Ed (talkmajestic titan) 05:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Winter of 2009–2010 in Europe? It already has a bit about snowfall in Russia last year - Dumelow (talk) 10:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vasily Smyslov

I think that Smyslov is enough eminent in the chess history, so his death is good to be mentioned in the ITN template.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - TouLouse (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle. The article needs work- it has all of three references. It will also need a paragraph or two about his death (where, when how and a little bit of reaction if possible) but once it's improved, i think this is definitely ITN-worthy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My instant reaction is oppose on the basis that this isn't a major event really, though the article seems to be improved and certainly is informative. However, My feeling is it's better left to Recent Deaths.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems to be "a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such". --candlewicke 19:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 26

ITN candidates for March 26

Iraq election results announced

The results for the Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010 have been announced, with Ayad Allawi winning most seats. Sources: voa nyt. Cenarium (talk) 23:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Allawi3.jpg is usable. Cenarium (talk) 23:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support its an important result. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITNR. blurb? Modest Genius talk 23:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, my initial post maybe ? The results for the Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010 have been announced, with Ayad Allawi (pictured) winning most seats. Cenarium (talk) 01:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a particularly encyclopaedic tone. Plus Allawi didn't win loads of seats himself, his party did. How about:
The al-Iraqiyya party, led by Ayad Allawi (pictured), wins the most seats in the Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010.
Modest Genius talk 02:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is good. Cenarium (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --bender235 (talk) 02:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The results table at the election page needs updating. It only shows 95.1% of votes counted. I'd have done it myself but couldn't find the data - Dumelow (talk) 10:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Funnily enough, the most recent item on the IHEC website [8] dates from Thursday, and states that finalised results will be definitely announced on Friday, with 'no re-scheduling'. It's now mid-afternoon (Iraqi time) on Saturday, and the finalised results have not been announced. Modest Genius talk 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Final results came out today [9]. I don't have time to add them now. Modest Genius talk 13:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it late to add it now ? Cenarium (talk) 00:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Was this posted and is now buried in archives or admins simply missed to post this one? --GPPande 11:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently this has not been posted yet because the final update is missing. But it is not too late to post as the oldest ITN item currently is from March 24. --Tone 11:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well there's Iraqi_parliamentary_election,_2010#Final_Results which seems pretty conclusive or are we waiting on something else? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. What are we waiting for???? --GPPande 15:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking of South Korean Navy vessel

This is becoming bigger. The vessel was apparently struck by a torpedo and is sinking/sunk with suspected loss of life. The S Korea Navy has now fired back at the suspected N Korean vessel.[10], [11] No article yet. -- Flyguy649 talk 16:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • No more than speculation so far regarding the attack; we should wait for confirmation. Authorities of neither country has issued any statement on this yet, as far as I can see. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 16:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's an article coming on at 2010 Baengnyeong incident and an article on the ship involved at ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772) - Dumelow (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I seem to be saying a lot these days, 'suspected' and 'potential' are not sufficient. If reliable sources confirm what actually happened, then we have a story. At the moment we just have speculation. Let's wait and see. Modest Genius talk 18:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
46 sailors are definitely missing at present. I'd say that alone might be notable enough. While there is a great deal unknown about what happened, I'd say we can determine now that it's a pretty major incident. Border skirmishes (if in fact this was one) are common in Korea but this could be the most significant incident in several years there. Yes, 'could', but I go back to the point that what we already know as fact is notable enough IMHO. Support if the article is up to scratch.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They now say that North Korea was not involved, and the "retaliation" by another South Korean ship may have been against a flock of birds :| (BBC). Weak support since the 46 MIA/KIA is still something big. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support even if it wasn't sunk deliberately, warships do not sink that often--DAI (Δ) 17:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted , we can update the blurb when more details come out - Dumelow (talk) 11:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

U.S.–Russia nuclear arms treaty

Seems to be official now that the deal is done BBC News. No article that I can find. Physchim62 (talk) 16:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a short update at START I. Physchim62 (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, support in principle, but I wonder if we should wait for the ratifications? On the other hand, all the media coverage will be over the announcement (ie. now), so maybe immediate posting is better. Needs its own article somewhere. Modest Genius talk 18:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support but would be better to wait till the treaty is signed on April 8 by Obama and MedvedevWikireader41 (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like there's a stub for this at Measures to Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms - Dumelow (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but might want to wait until it is ratified by both governments. Nirvana888 (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Russia outlaws Mein Kampf

This would appear to be an insidious harbinger of a forthcoming affront to the freedom of expression in Russia. And even if one should choose to be less conspiratorially minded, this is a significant move. __meco (talk) 17:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even though this does not appear to be a change of policies, this is still one of the most important books in world history. __meco (talk) 17:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And one who's publication is banned in many, many countries. Indeed, there are only a handful of countries without restrictions on its sale (given that it is still under copyright). Physchim62 (talk) 17:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As much as I loathe censorship, this book being outlawed isn't unusual enough. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Russia banning a book is not news, especially when it will be easily available through numerous other means anyway. Oppose. Russia also prevented the release of the film Borat and I don't believe that was reported.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 25

ITN candidates for March 25

CITES meeting

  • A CITES meeting in Doha, Qatar, is to end. This convention is significant that they might ban international trade in bluefin tuna, which is in high demand by the Japanese as well as sushi and sashimi consumers in other countries. [12][13] --BorgQueen (talk) 15:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They didn't. Which is disappointing, but not ITN-worthy. Modest Genius talk 18:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 24

ITN candidates for March 24

Chiang Mai Initiative


Death of Sir James Black

(BBC). It's a little late (he died on the 22nd) but I think it's worth nominating since he was a member of the Order of Merit (the UK's highest honour, limited to only 25 members at one time) and a Nobel laureate in meidcine and " hailed as one of the great Scottish scientists of the 20th Century". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - he invented Beta blockers, one of the most important developments in medicine in the 20th century, which no doubt saved a huge number of lives --Daviessimo (talk) 06:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle but the article needs more updates. --Tone 08:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I'm working on expanding it. I've added some more info on his death and I'm working on more of the biographical and career stuff. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have done a little more, could probably use a lead as well. Have no time to do anything more at the moment, sorry - Dumelow (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I have no time to help right now but this is a good one. --candlewicke 21:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important figure. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I thought about working Propranolol and Cimetidine in there but couldn't, maybe someone else will suggest a better way - Dumelow (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Island disappears under the sea

the disappearance of disputed South Talpatti Island under rising sea seems unusual[15].Wikireader41 (talk) 02:23, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - TouLouse (talk) 07:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is a totally weird angle to conflict resolution. Also interesting in the global warming debate. __meco (talk) 08:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is another great candidate for April 1, if we can find a good wording. --Tone 08:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article states that the island only emerged in the 1970s, was only 10000sq metres at maximum size (approx 100m x 100m) and never had an elevation greater then 2m above sea level. As such I would agree we're better following the April fools day path along the lines of meco's 'conflict resolution' suggestion --Daviessimo (talk) 08:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I totally support this. First, this island was a major thorn in Indo-Bangladeshi relations. Secondly, who would have thought that global warming could solve territorial disputes?
Here is a broad, general idea of what the blurb should look like (it includes all relevant information, some of which might not be required) -
The School of Oceanographic Studies at India's Jadavpur University concludes that the South Talpatti/New Moore Island, disputed between India and Bangladesh, has disappeared due to rising sea water level. --Nosedown (talk) 15:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the story will have more impact on April 1. Physchim62 (talk) 15:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. April 1 is about a week far and I hope this item isn't forgotten by then. --Nosedown (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support definitely per above. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Island was point of dispute between India and Bangladesh because it was going to be used to demarcate the continental shelf between two countries. This continental shelf is believed to contains oil & natural gas resources and all exploration activities have ceased due to dispute. Now if the island has disappeared, the demarcation of continental shelf will take a new turn between two countries. Also, how often we hear and island going missing? No matter how small it is. Big news+global warming concern. --GPPande 15:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even though there seems to be quite heavy support here in favor of the concerned item, no action is being taken. Am I missing something? --Nosedown (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We're waiting on April 1, I believe. Now we just need a good blurb. --Tone 16:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support outside of April 1. I don't believe this should be taken as a joke. How about "South Talpatti Island, a disputed uninhabited island between Bangladesh and India, is found by the School of Oceanographic Studies at India's Jadavpur University to have disappeared beneath the sea due to sea level rise." for a peacetime inclusion, or "An island dispute, started in 1970 due to a cyclone, is resolved by global warming". for an April Fools' Day inclusion? ~AH1(TCU) 00:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would say this,
New Moore/South Talpatti Island, a disputed uninhabited island between Bangladesh and India, is found by the School of Oceanographic Studies at India's Jadavpur University to have disappeared beneath the sea due to sea level rise.
The island was disputed and the name given by both India and Bangladesh should be included for the sake of neutrality. --Nosedown (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"We're waiting on April 1, I believe."? And your belief is based on what? Most of the support here is for the normal ITN, not the April 1st one. What the hell is up with this entire April 1st thing anyways? Why is any proposed item which is even slightly funny or unusual being degraded to "April 1 worthy"? I am sorry but I do not understand how a disputed island sinking due to global warming is funny. This is a serious issue and the School of Oceanographic Studies has said that other islands in the region, particularly Maldives, could face the same future too. The attitude here is pretty annoying. --Nosedown (talk) 21:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I support this outside April 1, so that I make myself clear. So, what is the final blurb for it? --Tone 21:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I suggest this (note: I don't have much experience with ITN items) -
New Moore/South Talpatti, an uninhabited island disputed between Bangladesh and India, is found by the School of Oceanographic Studies at India's Jadavpur University to have disappeared beneath the Bay of Bengal due to sea level rise.
--Nosedown (talk) 23:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
sounds good. this is a serious enough issue. should not wait ill April 1. Wikireader41 (talk) 00:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting now. I'm no fan of April Fools anyway, but this doesn't even seem that humourous. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I realized that this entire ITN candidate procedure is flawed. It has been 4 days since this item was nominated, there has been a wide consensus in favor of it and still no action. --Nosedown (talk) 10:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Curious, I thought this has been posted already... Apparently it wasn't. Posting now. --Tone 10:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia problems

See my talk page. Apparently some servers melted temporarily causing all images not to show. Not sure how widespread this problem is and I am unaware of any target page. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 20:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Not sure how this fits on ITN; the Signpost sounds more appropriate for this story. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abel Prize

The Hindu American mathematician John Tate wins the Abel prize for "his conspicuous imprint on modern mathematics" [16][17][18]

I guess Nobel Prize announcements usually make it to ITN, this should be in the same category.

SPat talk 16:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, though the article needs more than a 6 word update. Worth making this an ITNR item? Modest Genius talk 21:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say this can be ITNR, together with Fields medal. Needs some more update and then we can post it (indeed, just mentioning he won the prize does not count as a significant update). --Tone 21:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Added a paragraph about the award on his page. SPat talk 01:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support (and he won the Wolf Prize too). -SusanLesch (talk) 03:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 08:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITNR. --candlewicke 21:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian train derailment

A freight train has crashed at a port in Oslo, killing at least three people and seriously injuring others. BBC CNN - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A minor incident from an international perspective. __meco (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above - TouLouse (talk) 19:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Meco; 3 dead in a train crash isn't really all that many in the continuum of train crashes. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major development at Wikileaks

[19] --Athinker (talk) 19:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose We cannot base anything on something that hasn't been reported by reliable sources, and that page you link to even states this isn't likely to be reported in mainstream news. __meco (talk) 19:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikileaks issue gets more sources today - [20], [21], [22].

Mystery Monkey of Tampa Bay

For the past year, a rhesus macaque monkey has been on the loose in St. Petersburg, Florida and evaded capture by authorities. The monkey looks both ways to check for traffic before crossing the street. Source Associated Press Grundle2600 (talk) 20:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect news for April 1! --Tone 20:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's an excellent point! Grundle2600 (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support on 1st April, Oppose otherwise. Take it to Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/In The News! Modest Genius talk 21:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I will do that. Thanks for the link. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Denisova hominin

I didn't know what this was about, either: Time, BBC. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I guess the article in question here is Denisova hominin, and a possible headline is "Scientists identify a previously unknown type of ancient human through analysis of DNA from a finger bone unearthed in a Siberian cave." SPat talk 02:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems significant (and it was on the front page of the Washington Post). -SusanLesch (talk) 02:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
New species are always great ITN material, even more if we talk about hominids. Support. (will post once we agree on the wording, the proposed one seems fine). --Tone 09:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support both item and blurb. However, the long link is unsightly so I'd move "previously unknown" outside the brackets. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, posting. --Tone 09:20, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 23

ITN candidates for March 23

Heinrich Boere

The Times - "Time has finally run out for Heinrich Boere, the former SS killer who has for over six decades used every possible legal avenue to dodge conviction for the wartime murder of three Dutch civilians".

Might this help to solve the problem? Very interesting especially after six decades. He even joked to reporters about how he did it... --candlewicke 21:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Common murders are not more notable just beacuse they were committed during World War II – quite the opposite, I'd say. Physchim62 (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This fellow isn't notable for what he did; but for the length of time it took him to face justice. I'm not comfortable with putting up a BLP in these circumstances. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Non-notable war criminal. Unfortunately, there are 1000s of these around the world, a handful in most countries trying to stall extradition etc YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK expels Israeli diplomat over forged passports

BBC. I think we've reported something related to this story before, but this is a pretty significant development.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support I will admit that I haven't followed this story much, but this seems like a pretty big development, especially considering the UK is an important Israeli ally. --PlasmaTwa2 19:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support The new travel advice issued by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office is quite unprecedented: "We recommend that you only hand your passport over to third parties including Israeli officials when absolutely necessary." To my mind, the official travel advice – which can be paraphrased as 'don't trust the Israelis' – is far more significant than the expulsion of the diplomat. Physchim62 (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is interesting but what about the other several recent disputes between nations, the most recent even involving Israel and nominated just yesterday? There were objections raised when each of these were nominated. This being an ally is also questionable considering the United States hasn't been very pleased with Israel either. --candlewicke 20:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For me, it's the travel advice that makes the difference: "Don't trust the Israeli government with your British passport unless you really have to" (paraphrased) is an unusual comment to say the least, far more unusual than the run-of-the-mill stuff of recalling ambassadors etc. Physchim62 (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)co[reply]
The UK government bent over backwards to apologise to the foreign minister for the arrest warrant that was made by the courts. That they've made such an about turn is significant. So Support. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is the fourth or fifth diplomatic incident like this in the last month, so these kinds of things aren't uncommon. The ongoing story is interesting, but I don't think this is a big enough development to warrant posting it again. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The big story was the assassination itself, not some minor diplomatic expulsion. And this is coming from a Brit. Modest Genius talk 22:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per HJMitchell Wikireader41 (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irish reshuffle

Cabinet reshuffle in Ireland. Medium size. Many new departments created. [23] How about? —  Cargoking  talk  17:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. there was one in France today as well. I would say no to any cabinet changes which don't result in a complete change of government: in other words, we look for changes of Prime Minister in parliamentary systems. Physchim62 (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reuters seems pleased that the finance minister retains his position. BBC and eTaiwan News are other examples of international coverage. --candlewicke 20:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Just because it's reported by news networks in other countries doesn't mean it's sufficiently notable to be posted. If we posted every cabinet reshuffle (even just the 'major' ones) we'd be buried under a deluge of them. Modest Genius talk 22:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In many countries there would be one each year YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No head of state or government change makes that a widely-reported story that's actually not that big of a deal outside of the Emerald Isle. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK Space Agency

New space agency in the UK, starting from 1 April. It's not often that a new space agency is launched, particularly in English-language countries. Mike Peel (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Definite support. Not an every day event by any stretch of the imagination and the article seems in good shape. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Budget of £230m, comparable with the education budget in my home county; a re-allocation of resources and responsibilities for the modest efforts of UK in this sphere (or beyond this spheroid, if you prefer); not in top 10 BBC stories: not even top BBC science/nature story today. Kevin McE (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Umm... did you look at the BBC science & environment page? It does seem to be somewhat of a deep squid of an organization, tbh, but still ... space agency! Mike Peel (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Top billed, but not top viewed in this category. Kevin McE (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Support on 1st April. It's fundamentally interesting, but it's also pretty small fry, and merely consolidates existing activities. (Remember the relative rankings of stories on the BBC website change depending on the location of the reader, so results may differ). Edit: it actually starts work on 1st April, where it would be excellent. Modest Genius talk 22:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Has there been any announcment on whether or not the UK will attempt spaceflight, or is this just a space agency similar to Japan or Canada's, as in it is for research and sattelites only? --PlasmaTwa2 22:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about posting now but this may be a great candidate for April 1 since then's when they start. --Tone 22:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If we decide to go with a April Fools joke, I hope someone finds a way to make fun of Moonraker. --PlasmaTwa2 22:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, good idea. Modest Genius talk 22:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Air Force were also formed on April 1. Talking about flying... --Tone 22:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is great and big news for everyone interested in man's exploration of space. Definitely ITN-worthy. __meco (talk) 09:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support because if the logo appears on the front page it will highlight the problem of wikipedia using altered images where the colour white has been replaced with a transparency. See Talk:UK Space Agency 81.156.235.144 (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the logo could not be used on the main page, as it's fair use only. Mike Peel (talk) 20:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support because space items are always allowed and they might do something someday. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I still think this would be better as an April Fools item. And I keep meaning to get around to looking at the Space section on ITNR, which is clearly in need of revision. Modest Genius talk 00:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nanping City Experimental Elementary School massacre

At an elementary school in Fujian, China, a man stabbed eight students to death. Source: The Times Grundle2600 (talk) 00:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also on BBC News. Is eight deaths enough for a school stabbing? It's horrible to put it that way, but would we run this story if the event had happened in Poland or Canada? I think we would, so support. Physchim62 (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support with an expansion of the article. Incidents such as this aren't common in elementary schools. ~AH1(TCU) 01:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done what I can, but this one is quite difficult. All the available sources I can find... it's as if they were all written off one "on the ground" report; the same few details, a couple obvious copying errors here and there, and rehashing previous knife attacks in the PRC. I think a Chinese speaker might be needed to finish this one. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support An elementary school stabbing with a fairly high death toll? How common is that? Not very. And in China. Article is in shape for ITN, so I think this is an appropriate item. __meco (talk) 09:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am ambivalent about this posting, but wanted to note that if this happened in the United States, it would be put up ITN in an instant. Colipon+(Talk) 23:12, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Depends if there's an uninvolved admin lurking in these parts. Otherwise, the discussion will an WP:FA's worth in length. –Howard the Duck 05:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Eight deaths is terrible and is "enough" death in an elementary school. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hard to ignore eight deaths in these circumstances. --candlewicke 21:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Tragic event, decent article. I've given it a minor copyedit but it more than meets the minimum requirements. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any chance this can get posted? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article appears to be long enough now. ~AH1(TCU) 00:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SpaceShipTwo is shown on its maiden flight

We discussed featuring this in December when the spacecraft was unveiled. Then several editors wanted to wait until its first test flight. Now we have it, and we should post this story. Also, if we decide to post the UK Space Agency announcement, it would be neat with two spaceflight-related items back-to-back on ITN. __meco (talk) 09:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Err, I believe the calls were for its maiden flight to space (or possibly the first flight with paying customers?), not a captive-carry safety test. Oppose until then. Modest Genius talk 21:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, you yourself gave examples of two notable milestones, one of them being what we are seeing now ("Flying the thing and then the first paying passengers are milestones..."). Also, Tone, gave support to posting this when the first test flights were announced. Others did also. I believe you are putting the threshhold much too high if we should consider the first commercial spaceflight with paying customers the minimum before posting anything about this craft. __meco (talk) 08:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Did I? Well, I'm remarkably consistent, because those are precisely the same events I mentioned above (by 'flying the thing' I clearly meant the first space flight). Modest Genius talk 00:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not taken with gimmicky products that are completely useless except for a few people with hundreds of millions of dollars; are we going to list every Sotherby's art auctions or Dennis Tito, or replica McLaren F1 cars? YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until she reaches space, and I'm explicitly not committing to supporting it even then. Pretty much agree with YellowMonkey. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 22

ITN candidates for March 22

Google withdraws from China

Google has effectively withdrawn its China search engine following a row over hacking and censorship.  Cargoking  talk  20:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Very evidently important, and in the world's largest internet market. Colipon+(Talk) 20:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Type in google.cn and you end up going to Hong Kong. —  Cargoking  talk  20:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Google is a major and popular search engine in China. ~AH1(TCU) 22:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
btw article is Google_China. this should go up now. we've delayed it twice to wait for the moment google officially does something. i dont think we need to wait anymore for someone to sign they have pulled out. this action is more than enough. strong support.
Support. We have indeed delayed this twice and now it's actually happened, I think it's time it went up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this time it has actually happened. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Something like: 'Google stops censoring search results for internet users in China, in a row over censorship and hacking' Modest Genius talk 23:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, those last two generic links could be piped to the more specific Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China and Operation Aurora. Modest Genius talk 23:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, came here to suggest it. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Google China needs an update first - Dumelow (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note that Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China is a blocked article in Mainland China. Also, the lede of the Google China article has a one-sentence update but references could be added to include this further down in the article. ~AH1(TCU) 00:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting we self-censor by not including that article?!? I'm not sure if that's hilarious or horrifying. Modest Genius talk 01:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i dont think we need to worry about what is blocked in china as they block most major websites. i doubt chinese viewers can see the main page either (i thought entire wikipedia was blocked...) -- Ashish-g55 00:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Better blurb would be, "Google redirects its China operations to Hong Kong". Google has not actually ceased its operations in China, and maintains all of its Beijing staff. It's just that the Chinese users are now redirected to the Hong Kong server, which has the exact same user interface as the previous Google China. Colipon+(Talk) 00:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I think it's a tricky blurb. I agree with Colipon that what has happened is a simple redirect to different servers in another jurisdiction (as Wikipedia has done in the past). There's also the PRC/ROC problem, for which we always get polite requests for correction (at the very least). The best blurb I can think of at the moment is "Google announces that its services in the .cn domain will now be redirected to Hong Kong to avoid censorship." Physchim62 (talk) 00:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good blurb; just to add onto that, how is "Google redirects its .cn domain to Hong Kong servers to avoid censorship from the Chinese government." Colipon+(Talk) 01:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One last tweak:
However, the update on the bolded article doesn't even meet my (relatively low) standards at present. There's plenty of material out there, but I have to go to bed soon (happens to the best of us). I would like proper inline refs for the update, several sources (because there are sevceral sources out there for this story) and a small amount of discussion (a couple of sentences will do for me, a posting admin might wish for a few more). Physchim62 (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly accurate. Google's license of Google.cn requires them to self censor. The Chinese government was not filtering the results. Google had to guess what should be censored. With the greatest accuracy:
Maybe this is very picky. Jehochman Talk 02:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support In the long term this will be one of this year's top stories. Wrotesolid (talk) 01:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support per above.Wikireader41 (talk) 02:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded with more citations. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I had nominated this earlier but today it has been confirmed too. I have done small expansion of the article. --GPPande 10:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
SUpport.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
is there no admin around? does this need something else to go up (or perhaps more support ;) ... )? -- Ashish-g55 13:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notice The current section is a simple copyright violation of this website. We need something original. -- tariqabjotu 14:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well than can someone update. Be bold and change it. I would but I'm busy. —  Cargoking  talk  21:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've reworded that one paragraph and wikified it. Is is sufficient to be posted now? ~AH1(TCU) 01:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see more and better sources, personally. There's not likely to be a shortage of them. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i dont get why we are waiting for more sources. i see official google blog as one of the sources. doesnt get more credible than that. its already been waiting for 2+ days now. more sources doesnt make it better if they all somehow source the original source (the google blog). -- Ashish-g55 13:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Censorship section along with Operation Aurora and Aftermath is quite big. We need to post this soon. --GPPande 14:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Smashvilletalk 14:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign relations of Mauritania (or Israel)

Oppose: Once again a diplomatic dispute between two countries thrice in period of less than one month. See below the previous two nominations,
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_19 Nigeria-Libya ambassador recall.
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_11 Turkey-Sweden relations break down.
These type of news are very common and I would continue to oppose them. ITN would be flooded with foreign relation articles of various countries based on their random actions. We should stop promoting these types of news on ITN. --GPPande 09:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunately, it's not all that uncommon, and that one side in Israel and another is a Muslim nation makes it even less surprising. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is only a formal severing of ties, and we mentioned this before on ITN when the actual action occurred. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

US healthcare bill

This is discussed in great detail under yesterday's date. --candlewicke 05:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. Duly noted. Weatherguy1033 (talk) 05:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This simply isn't internationally relevant. Other countries have major domestic issues too. 78.146.140.195 (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and we report those issues as well. --TorsodogTalk 21:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 21

ITN candidates for March 21

Sven Kramer becomes first person to win the World Allround Speed Skating Chamionship 4 times in a row

I'm not an expert on speed skating but the achievement is prominent. There are quite some countries where the sport is popular. However, winning 4 times in a row sounds sport statistics to me and I am not a fan of those on ITN. Neutral for now. --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Speed skating is a relatively small sport outside a few countries. This is only one of several yearly World Speed Skating Championships and held shortly after the more prominent 2010 Winter Olympics. World Allround Speed Skating Championships#Amount of World Allround Speed Skating Championships per person shows two others have 4 in total and two have 5. 4 consecutive does not sound that remarkable in the general world of sports. Strong oppose as long as 2010 World Allround Speed Skating Championships#Men championships is just a placeholder as currently. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Out of the various championships, allround is definitely the most important. All except one of the other people who gained at least 4 titles did so before World War II, under incomparable circumstances. Furthermore, Kramer also won the last 4 European All-round championships, another record, which makes his achievement truly unparalleled.sephia karta | dimmi 11:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on importance: this does seem to be the biggest event in (long-track) speed skating outside the olympics, so an argument could well be made. More people are interested in speed skating than, for example, hurling. However, the article itself is nothing but a results table, of which half the results are missing, Strong oppose unless and until it's brought up to scratch. Modest Genius talk 22:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Speed skating is, in my opinion, one of those sports where even the World Championships pale in comparison to the Olympic Games, so I just can't get behind this as really being news in light of PrimeHunter's points. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, and furthermore a large difference is that there is no allround at the Olympics, whereas allround really is the one championship that selects the overall best skater.sephia karta | dimmi 11:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Interesting sport, "world championship", international coverage. CBC, USA Today, Radio Netherlands Worldwide. --candlewicke 03:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support But as it is big in the Netherlands and Norway, It seems not that important in other countries unfortunatly --Black Orchid (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obama's healthcare

Just passed a minute ago I think. Link anyway [25]. —  Cargoking  talk  21:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If I remember, we've had a consensus to post this if the reform passes? It does not seem to have passed yet, according to the websites. --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if this passes. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Appears the vote will be a decent bit later on tonight. Support, though, after the vote; this is going to be the story tomorrow either way. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - The voting process is currently 1/3 complete and should be finished within the next two to five hours. We should prepare in advance a headline for both possible outcomes, so that we can get it up on ITN as soon as it is official.   — C M B J   22:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
whats the hurry for posting it "as soon as its official"?. article update is also required before it goes up -- Ashish-g55 00:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
People will be looking for the article tonight.   — C M B J   00:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sample headline:
The 111th United States Congress votes 435-0 in favor of enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The 111th United States Congress votes 0-435 against enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
  — C M B J   22:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so far they seemed to have managed to agree on how they're going to debate and vote... CMBJ's suggestions need tweaking for accuracy:
The United States House of Representatives approves both the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010, the main health care reform measures.
The United States House of Representatives rejects the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in a 435–0 vote.
Physchim62 (talk) 00:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It might be a good idea in the blurb to briefly mention something the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will do, although frankly I'm not quite sure what the Senate bill does and what the reconciliation bill does. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - I still don't really understand how this works I admit. It seems that the House is going to pass their version of the bill and the Senate still have to reconcile their version to the House bill but the President is going to sign it into law even though there isn't even a single/unified version yet (so I'm not really sure what he's signing into law) but anyway if he's signing it into law I guess that's significant. Nil Einne (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • According to this source, the bill just passed by the House contains "the bulk of reform". A second, smaller bill will be voted on in the Senate, & because it is a "reconciliation" the vote can not be filibustered. (Yes, this process is ugly & not even us Yanks completely understand what's happening.) -- llywrch (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Wait, so there are two? And this is the first and a second will be voted on later? I would oppose the posting of both on separate occasions unless there is good reason to do so. --candlewicke 03:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The supplementary bill (HR4872) has just passed the House but will have to be revisited by the Senate later this week. This detail can always be added to the blurb after it is posted.   — C M B J   03:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The bill just passed 219-212.   — C M B J   02:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now we just wait two days (or maybe longer). --candlewicke 03:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have we settled on a blurb? If so, you could try posting at AN. It's a big story so you might be able to attract a passing admin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should that be done for this though? It might be unfair on any others who have to wait. I imagine they have more important things to be getting on with over there. Plus it's not an emergency. --candlewicke 03:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) This is front-page news in the US, & will positively affect the lives of millions of people; I expected to see it mentioned in the Front Page box. So a quickly adding is justified. (I'd volunteer to do it with my k-rad kewl Admin powers, but I have to help get my daughter to bed.) -- llywrch (talk) 03:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying it shouldn't be there but it would be good if it could be done correctly and when it has been confirmed, etc. Disasters happen and people die but have to wait several hours to appear on ITN. The delay in those cases doesn't mean they are less significant and any delay in this case is just the same. --candlewicke 03:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's a need to wait for Obama's signature to post the item. It's a foregone conclusion, just as soon as they can get fancy pens for the occasion. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But then it hasn't even been officially signed yet? Election results have to wait until they are certain so why not this too? And where is my previous comment? --candlewicke 03:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Candlewick, it was lost apparently in an e/c. I restored it. -- llywrch (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: From an international point of view, I'd prefer to wait until the U.S. President actually signs the bill into official law. Getting it passed by the U.S. House of Representatives is only one part in a multi-step process. Not every country uses an American or Westminster system of government, and so the amount of significance would be foreign to those people. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, the House passed the Senate's version version, & Obama has pledged to sign it. (If he doesn't according to the Constitution it automatically becomes law in a matter of days.) This vote means, in few words, that 90% of the process is done; all that is left is the shouting. -- llywrch (talk) 03:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What "fixes"? --candlewicke 03:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the core piece of legislature which has been passed by both legislative bodies. The Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 is a supplementary bill which has been passed by the House but not by the Senate.   — C M B J   03:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but per Zzyzx11, best to wait until it is signed. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused now. There doesn't appear to be any certainty that this has definitely happened or that it won't be blocked or undone or whatever applies. If he doesn't sign it it becomes law in "a matter of days"? So why not wait for these days to pass just to be certain? --candlewicke 03:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The bill has successfully passed both the House and Senate, and President Obama is currently giving a speech in support of the result.   — C M B J   03:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For clarification my point above about the President signing was solely related to if he was signing it, then there most be something to sign not suggesting we have to wait for him to sign. I don't personally know if we do have to wait, it's a basically a forgone conclusion in this case. As a counter example, I don't know if we usually wait for royal assent, although that's even more of a foregone conclusion. I still don't entirely understand the Senate thing, I read it only required a 51 vote majority a long time ago but it still seemed possible they'd ultimately never come to an agreement if they kept passing different versions but as I understand it now, they've mostly agreed what to pass and more importantly, the core part which is the same as the original Senate version is passed so worst case scenario, they have that which can't be taken back by either Congress individually (well they could both pass a bill to cancel the earlier bill I guess but that's different) and it's only awaiting the President's signature. The Senate could say screw you and refuse to pass the modifications in which case the House will be pissed I guess but they can't undo what they passed. Nil Einne (talk) 03:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even if by some unforeseeable 1/1,000,000,000,000 chance Obama were to veto this bill, its passage alone would still be the most significant U.S. story since the 2008 election results.   — C M B J   04:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If an accurate blurb can be agreed upon and assuming the article has been updated, I'd support posting it now simply because it's news now. I'll admit to being totally baffled as to what's actually happened (or is going to happen?) but it is big news and people will be expecting to see it on ITN. It won;t be long before it's notable by its absence. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until bill is actually signed into law. Keep calm and carry on. Madcoverboy (talk) 05:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So it definitely hasn't been signed into law? --candlewicke 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Correct—that is the only step which remains—but it could be later this week before it happens. Because Wikipedia is the first resource that many people turn to for details on important events, and based on the overwhelming precedent (57,766 new articles per hour, Presidential reaffirmation, climax of a years-long saga, etc) for ITN inclusion, it is my personal opinion that we should act now rather than later. Here is a list of major sources which currently list this bill on their front-page:
CNN: House passes health care reform, cheers as gavel comes down
ABC News: 'WHAT CHANGE LOOKS LIKE': Health Care Bill Passes
Fox News: CONGRESS PASSES HEALTH REFORM
Times Online: Barack Obama wins healthcare battle in tight vote
New York Times: House Approves Health Overhaul, Sending Landmark Bill to Obama
Los Angeles Times: Historic healthcare bill passes
BBC News: US House passes key health vote
News.com.au: Health vote delivers Obama dream
The Australian: Obama makes health reform 'history'
Sky News Obama's health care bill passed
Xinhua: U.S. House passes historic health insurance reform
NBC: HOUSE SENDS HEALTH CARE BILL TO OBAMA
China Central Television: Democrats secure votes for passage of health care bill
Reuters: House approves sweeping healthcare overhaul
CBS News: Health Care Bill Passes in House
Washington Post: House passes historic health-reform bill
Newsweek: The Guide to Obamacare's Effect on You
NPR: House Passes Historic Health Care Legislation
Voice of America: Health Care Reform Clears US Congress
PBS NewsHour: House Passes Historic Health Care Reform Legislation   — C M B J   06:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed to the other blurb, no need to put the numbers. --Tone 08:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget Aljazeera!: US passes landmark healthcare bill Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Iceland volcano

Looks good, only needs some more prose. --Tone 14:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article Eyjafjallajökull is updated. Apparently, the eruption is not that big, but still has some impact. --Tone 19:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is Iceland: it would be rather more unusual if there wasn't a volcanic eruption going on. No major danger to people or property, not scientifically unusual, can't see any reason to post this. Modest Genius talk 20:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm no volcanologist, but I'd say a volcano erupting for the first time in two centuries is pretty significant. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly, that happens all the time. There are so many dormant volcanoes that a substantial fraction of all eruptions are 'the first in centuries' from that volcano. Modest Genius talk 21:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Volcanoes erupt on Iceland all the time. This one caused a bit of a stir because the authorities closed the main road from east to west because the contingency measures are developed for a worst case scenario. This event is on the opposite end of the scale. Noone even noticed the eruption until people saw the smoke rising after perhaps several hours. This event does have potential to become big if the neigbouring volcano Hekla Katla blows, which is a possibility. Let's not post anything now. __meco (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. "This could trigger Katla, which is a vicious volcano that could cause both local and global damage," Pall Einarsson, from the University of Iceland, said.--The lorax (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to ITN, 'could' is generally insufficient. Modest Genius talk 21:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, come to think of it, I agree with you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, let's wait. This looked a bigger thing in the morning... --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hossein Marashi

  • Former Iranian Vice-President Hossein Marashi was jailed on Wednesday, was revealed by a relative on Friday and is nominated here on Sunday. (BBC) (TIME). --candlewicke 09:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Islamic Republic has ten vice-presidents, and Marashi was a minor one, not First Vice President, and he's only in jail for a year. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. From my understanding of Iranian politics, that's not really an unusual event and this guy is not that important. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Linheraptor

Is it an important dinosaur? It was discovered by a British student and mentioned in a British newspaper. On the other hand " the first near complete skeleton of its kind to be found in the Gobi desert in China since 1972" sounds promising. --candlewicke 10:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Interesting story, article is decent and, for a change, it's not bad news! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's interesting, and some good science stories on ITN are always good. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Among the science stories, the new dinosaur species have a major part. But why not, the article is in decent shape. Though we may want to make guidelines a bit stricter for dinosaurs... --Tone 21:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Interesting, but we've had quite a few of these over the last year. Is this some kind of golden age for new dinosaur species, or are we just featuring something that's pretty common and only of interest because it's a dinosaur? PS. For reasons I can't put my finger on, it seems weird to class this as a 'science' story. Yes, palaeontology is a science, but it's not like we have a quota to fill with dinosaurs, particle accelerators, interplanetary probes and cloning. Modest Genius talk 22:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. Although discoveries of genuses are more spetacular, dinosaur discoveries are fairly significant. However I support this only if we start posting more climate science and activism-related news stories dispite the probation in effect (for example the Mertz Glacier event that wasn't posted and the earlier International Day of Climate Action story that also wasn't posted). ~AH1(TCU) 22:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever the consensus is, hadn't we better wrap this one up? Either feature the news item or don't; with it being six days since the nomination, it's almost not news anymore. Oh no! It's not here!!! (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 20

ITN candidates for March 20

2010 Six Nations Championship

France win the Grand Slam at the 2010 Six Nations Championship (Rugby Union). ITNR event - Dumelow (talk) 21:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Major international rugby tournament (from my pathetic knowledge of the sport) and on ITNR. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN/R event, about as big as it gets in rugby. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though it should be better phrased to make it clear that France have won the championship (for those who don't know what a grand slam is). Something like:
"In rugby union, France win the 2010 Six Nations Championship with a Grand Slam" Modest Genius talk 00:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: How about "In rugby union, France achieve the Grand Slam to win the 2010 Six Nations Championship (Stade de France pictured)" or is that correct terminology? --candlewicke 04:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added a picture of the Stade de France where I believe the final game took place. --candlewicke 04:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded it in the same way as 2009, it is cited, I don't know what else to do? France win their first Six Nations Grand Slam in rugby union since 2004 (Stade de France pictured). --candlewicke 09:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted, although I must say it was tough for me to put that wording up. It just sounds so wrong, but I knew one of you would be unhappy if I switched it to American English. -- tariqabjotu 18:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After 7 years, Perelman awarded the $1 million for Poincare conjecture

Support this seems to be pretty interesting. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's a bit old but the prize was actually awarded now and this in one of the rare occasions that we can feature a maths topic. The updates to the articles are there. --Tone 09:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted - Dumelow (talk) 11:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Is it worth adding the Millennium Prizes to ITNR? A proof of any of the remaining 6 problems would be massive news in mathematics. Modest Genius talk 15:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support that- the six left are so major, putting them up should be a foregone conclusion. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added them to ITNR. Modest Genius talk 15:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can I suggest that Perelman's article be the one bolded, as it is the one with the largest update. Currently, the bolded article now wouldn't meet minimum standards (or if so, barely). I will make the change, but if someone feels differntly, please revert. SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pope to Publish pastoral letter on child abuse

After months of waiting, today the Pope will issue a pastoral letter on child abuse in Ireland. It is written to the Irish Roman Catholic Church, but it is believed that it will gather the attention of other countries affected by abuse. Coverage from Ireland, Aljazeera, UK, Australia, USA, Canada and others. —  Cargoking  talk  08:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly 2000 Google News results [26]. —  Cargoking  talk  13:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This had 7,000 results a week after the event and even that didn't get in. –Howard the Duck 13:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article anywhere? Modest Genius talk 15:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Ireland is the relevant article but needs updating. —  Cargoking  talk  15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for reasons other than Google. The release of this letter has been anticipated for some time and its official signing was covered by the international media yesterday, i.e. (The Irish Times) (CBC) (Deutsche Welle) (Christian Science Monitor) (CNN). It has now been released and is continuing to receive international attention. It will be read in public tomorrow and will get more attention. It is the first ever response from the Pope to this issue which has been gaining more and more international attention, i.e. around Europe this year and in Brazil and Chile just recently. --candlewicke 20:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support not common for pope to comment on child abuse by catholic priests.Wikireader41 (talk) 21:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is an important story. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

() Updated. How about:

Posted -- tariqabjotu 17:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Oh boy, like if we need anymore evidence of wikipedia's anti-catholic bias. Something that has barely gotten media attention goes up simply to disparage the pope. 63.215.29.202 (talk) 04:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it got little coverage in Chicago (where your IP is from) but it has been big news here in the UK and I can only imagine that it got massive coverage in Ireland. No one is trying to disparage the Pope, we simply feature Wikipedia articles relevant to current events Like it or not, this is a current event of interest to many people - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Girija Prasad Koirala

Death of the man who was the first directly elected prime minister, who served four times in that role in addition to acting president when the king was suspended. Brokered the end of the Nepalese Civil War and the transition into a full multi-party elected democratic republic after 240 years of monarchial rule. Washington Post, BBC News, NPR Therequiembellishere (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems a very significant person and article is in a decent shape. It'll need a little work though, especially some more information on his death. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article with more information about his death and reaction. I believe it's now sufficient in terms of quality to go up, though I'll keep working on it. Any support? Any?? He was obviously a major figure in (very recent) Nepali and Southern Asian politics. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support; important figure in the fall of the Nepalese Monarchy, former head of government and head of state. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support. He was "worried about the country in the last days of his life and tried work out an agreement between the political parties" and (Xinhua) "while he was admitted to hospital, Koirala expressed his last wished of concluding ongoing peace process in Nepal" so sounds like he was still active. His body was presented for public viewing in Kathmandu and his death "marks the end of an era in not only Nepali but also sub-continental politics". Press TV calls him "the elder statesman of South Asia". India mourns. I bet he was Prime Minister/Head of State of Nepal longer than the average President of the United States or, maybe for a better comparison, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. --candlewicke 04:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Girija Prasad Koirala
Girija Prasad Koirala
  • Posted I'll sort out the picture in a second. -- tariqabjotu 17:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 19

ITN candidates for March 19

Death of Nigerian at Zürich Airport

Any support for an update here? Switzerland has halted all deportations and repatriation flights (which must affect possibly any country) and Nigeria has condemned the events. An investigation has been launched which must affect all who use this airport. He died on the airport tarmac which might be unusual enough as well? 13 witnesses allege "inhumane treatment" - "They dealt with us like animals. The shackled our feet, knees, hands, hips arms and torso and made us wear a helmet like those worn by boxers. It was simply impossible to move". --candlewicke 02:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The Swiss were trying to enforce their law, somebody resisted (natural enough considering he was a convicted criminal), went on a hunger strike and died. The Nigerian condemnation is something they did because they have to, not because they were concerned for a man who was afraid of returning to them. The shackling part seems to be greatly exaggerated; somehow I find it very hard to believe that a man's "feet, knees, hands, hips, arms and torso" were all shackled, unless Switzerland has gone back to the medieval ages. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; and I can't really add anything but endorse Chamal N's commentary. A drug-dealer on a hunger strike isn't likely to be in great health. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson

"The biggest recording deal in history". (BBC) (Sky News) (The Guardian) (The Times) --candlewicke 00:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

support finally a worthy ITN item ;-) Wikireader41 (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The largest record deal in history must be ITN-worthy, especially in a week as slow as this. Is there an update? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the lead of Michael Jackson has been updated. Wikireader41 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Big news. Pyrrhus16 17:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's one sentence update in the lead. It's not much, is there another article we could use (list of records or similar)? In any case, could you suggest a good blurb? --Tone 17:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is this, which I have updated and which is an FL. I would also suggest going with this more recent photo, instead of the old 1984 one. Pyrrhus16 18:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about:

no

"The estate of Michael Jackson (pictured) and Sony Music sign the biggest recording deal in history, which includes future album deals of his unreleased material." Pyrrhus16 18:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good and having a FL on ITN is a nice thing as well. I'd like to see some more support for the blurb and then I'm ready to post. --Tone 18:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tone (talkcontribs) 18:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sierra Leone disaster hoax

Here is something which definitely doesn't happen every day. "The whole country is awash with grief for something that is not true at all". It was "picked up by international media. At one point, the French Foreign Ministry issued a statement in Paris offering its condolences to the mine accident victims". "This is wicked propaganda by people who don't like to see good news coming out of Sierra Leone". --candlewicke 21:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where would you put an update? I don't think an article about this hoax would survive the inevitable AfD, but where else could it fit? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deutsche Börse Photography Prize

(BBC) French photographer Sophie Ristelhueber wins the Deutsche Börse Photography Prize. Should this be included in ITNR? There are no photography awards and this one seems international enough if it could be expanded. --candlewicke 21:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I might consider it but both articles are simply far too short for ITN. Besides, the prize only covers Europe. --Tone 21:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A photography category would be nice, but is this really the biggest prize? It's only open to Europeans for a start (though the Pulitzers are only open to those in the US, so that's not a complete impediment). Modest Genius talk 17:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The World Press Photo of the Year seems to make sense. It is hosted by the Dutch foundation World Press Photo and is part of the "largest and most prestigious annual press photography contest" (according to Wikipedia). "After the contest, the prizewinning photographs are assembled into a traveling exhibition that is visited by over a million people in 40 countries. A yearbook presenting all prizewinning entries is published annually in six languages". This seems to suggest international significance. If the winner could be updated every year would this be a good addition to ITNR for photography? --candlewicke 20:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but that's press photography, which is a small subset of all photography. Maybe no suitable award exists? I doubt it's a good idea to have separate postings for press, landscape, portrait, wildlife etc etc etc Modest Genius talk 00:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Google China

Economic Times Google has finally come up with a date to end its China operations. --GPPande 13:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather wait until they actually leave - there's plenty of time for them to change their minds yet. Also the article doesn't sound too certain on the matter: "the information has not been confirmed by Google at present" and "the report did not specify whether Google would close all or part of its operations in the country" - Dumelow (talk) 13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nigeria recalls ambassador to Libya

(BBC). I have updated the article accordingly. The Nigerian ambassador has been withdrawn due to Colonel Gaddaffi urging Nigeria to split into two states (one Christian, one Muslim) in response to the recent violence. The Nigerian parliament has voted to ask the UN to stop Gaddaffi from requesting this and to ask the African Union to investigate if Libya is supplying "infiltrators" to destabilise Nigeria. Not a terribly exciting event but I am aware that we haven't had an update for a long time - Dumelow (talk) 11:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I had previously mentioned that ITN should not post ambassador recall news as they are too common. See Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_11 for Sweden-Turkey relation nomination. I had mentioned that Every month one or the other country does so in the world. but looks like we have 2 such news this month itself. Lets not clutter ITN with one more "typical news" category. --GPPande 11:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support of the I'd much rather post this than Sahil Saeed, and it's been two days since the last update variety. (Not a slight on anyone- this has been an incredibly slow news week.) Not thrilled with it, but we need something; the template is stagnating. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning towards support. This can be combined with dissolution of the cabinet of Nigeria two days ago. --Tone 11:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: A national leader makes a serious comment against another nation's sovereignty, and they sever diplomatic ties. Only to be expected of course, but it is an internationally important event nevertheless, and this is about as close to hostile as you can get with another country without actually putting your military on stand-by. The views I expressed on the Sweden-Turkey incident stand here as well, despite the coincidence of two such events happening within a short period. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Supportthis is unusual and does not happen everyday.Wikireader41 (talk) 16:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What is the difference between this and Sweden–Turkey relations? Which part of this one is unusual? I disagree with the argument that this is a slow news week. At least 200 people are dead in Sierra Leone. --candlewicke 21:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or not... but this might still be worth nominating. --candlewicke 21:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
well gadaffi suggested that Nigeria split into 2 countries on religious lines. cant remember last time one head of state called for the breakup of another country in such fashion. Wikireader41 (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But is that really very unusual for a man who has tried to start a war with Switzerland? --candlewicke 00:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gaddafi is unusual. –Howard the Duck 01:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 18

ITN candidates for March 18

Sahil Saeed

  • The Times The 5 year old boy kidnapped in Pakistan has returned home. In itself, I don't think this is worthy of ITN and it was, rightly imho, rejected when it was previously nominated. However, I think the back story of the major operation conducted by law enforcement agencies and militaries in four different countries (Pakistan, France, Spain and the UK) to arrest his captors is more significant in the long run. Apologies for the tl;dr! Any support? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We need an update, it's been 35 hours. I've looked at several papers, and the only stories I care for are this or two awarded George Cross. On a busier news day, I wouldn't be favourably disposed towards either, but it's been a slow week and we need something. Bangkok is becoming news, but I'm not sure what to make of it yet. So... weak support in the absence of anything more compelling, I guess. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Oppose; I see something I'd rather run now, so going my first instinct of opposition to this candidate.[reply]
Oppose on the same grounds as last time. One child was kidnapped in Pakistan, a ransom was paid, and he was recovered safely. Sadly, this is not an unusual event. Modest Genius talk 23:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you, but I'm nominating the law enforcement operation which spanned 2 continents rather than the kidnapping itself, which I believe I may have opposed last time myself. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
weak support in the absence of anything better Wikireader41 (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply