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Ivorian presidential election

Moved from FE
The first since the civil war. Return to democracy. There are doubts about the elections, however. Nightw 15:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The election has taken place after being delayed since 2005. Not sure at this point if there will be a second round. Grsz11 21:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should wait for the results before determining whether or not to post this; if there is a run-off, then I don't think that the blurb will be notable enough for ITN. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any word on results? Modest Genius talk 20:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Promises have been made to post partial results. Some AP articles indicate that there will be a second round. Nergaal (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've not seen the official results yet, but the three-way split means that a second round will be inevitable. Rendez-vous November 28! Physchim62 (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Presidential election in Brazil

The new president will be known soon. Brazilian presidential election, 2010. --Tone 21:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious support - BRIC country elections are clearly notable. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ditto, Support. One of the largest nations on earth. There will be substantial media coverage. ITNR.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
and it's Dilma Rousseff the winner. [1] Physchim62 (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As soon as something is updated I'll put it up. I'm happy to bold Roussef's article if that's easier to update in the short-term. It defies convention a bit but this should go up ASAP.--Mkativerata (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rousseff's article is sufficiently updated. The election article seems to have a few WP:SYNTH problems, on the basis of a quick read through, so I think it's better to go with Dilma Rousseff. Physchim62 (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support per Eraserhead1--Wikireader41 (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting Not ideal - it's a very short update and another sentence to the lead would be good - but it's good enough not to hold up a clearly newsworthy event. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Westwood becomes number one golfer

copied from FE

  • Lee Westwood has displaced Tiger Woods as the world's number one golfer.1 Woods had held the number one spot since 2005.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support: Very notable overtake, seeing Woods' status as a golfer and his recent controversy. However, many sources are saying that Westwood is not officially first until tomorrow, so it would be wise to wait. Better sources: [2], and [3]. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 19:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We already have at least four golf stories every year: leadership potentially changes weekly (although in reality much more rarely): title is a relatively recent innovation. Kevin McE (talk) 20:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Kevin McE. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 20:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tiger Woods has been at the top since 2005. You cannot say with a straight face that leadership in golf changes frequently. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 21:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is the rare occasion on which we should post a rankings change. Tiger's been there for over five years. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Kevin McE--Wikireader41 (talk) 21:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Tiger Woods wasn't going to stay on top? Who knew. Grsz11 21:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, ok, though I think until a couple of months ago hardly anyone knew. In any case the rankings are changing now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Three of the opposes here are based on the logic that the rankings change 'weekly'. That's not inaccurate per se but the number one spot hasn't changed since 2005.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post changes in tennis ranking or FIFA ranking and so on. We just post the most prominent results, the rest are calculations. --Tone 21:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let me clarify my opinion. I oppose because he didn't win some major championship at this time, and the ranking is purely an opinion on paper. Grsz11 21:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The first change in number one in five years is clearly notable whether or not people didn't see it coming. Just because we already have four golf items doesn't mean this one has to be excluded. --PlasmaTwa2 21:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to support this, but the news here is that Woods is not number 1 anymore, not that the other guy got it. And this sort of news doesn't quite work: it is like saying Usain Bolt lost the 100m world record, and that does not work for #1. Nergaal (talk) 18:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is great logic. Struck my support. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It might be a bit late now, but I support this one. This is the first time the golf no.1 has changed in five years - that's clearly notable. As for the comment above about Usain Bolt, I'd say a new 100m world record would be notable enough for ITN as well. Robofish (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because this switching of golf's number one position ends a record breaking streak of weeks at the top of the rankings by a golfer. Ks0stm (TCG) 18:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to Nergaal's logic. And the fact that we didn't post Lorena Ochoa giving up the women's earlier this year. --Smashvilletalk 19:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is just an artificial ranking list, lets stick to posting the results of actual sporting events. Modest Genius talk 20:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Harry Mulisch

Harry Mulisch
Harry Mulisch

- Dutch author dies aged 83. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 16:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is mostly a list of his works--it doesn't give enough information about his notability for me to support, though he may in fact be very notable. Oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Eugen Simion, don't you understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a news agency? That's Wikinews' work... --Diego Grez (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, one of the country's most respected and successful writers. De ontdekking van de Hemel was voted "Best Dutch Book Ever" in 2007. Since his last book was published only 9 years ago, I'd say this is probably of great interest to many readers. Nightw 09:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Final member of the "Big Three", regularly suggested as a possible Nobel laureate, writer of more than 30 books, the film of one of his books won an Oscar and a Golden Globe. International coverage on the BBC, CBC News, Bloomberg, The Daily Telegraph, Gulf Daily News, ABC News, Reuters India. "An enormously influential figure" according to The New York Times. --candlewicke 00:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too late to post now anyhow. Nightw 14:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expo 2010 close

- Ends today with a record of visitors. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 11:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support because its been the largest Expo for 40 years. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • actually largest expo and maybe gathering of all time anywhere. 73 million visitors!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We posted the opening, fine, but I don't think we need to post the closing as well. These Expos aren't that big a deal in the general scale of things. Physchim62 (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Physchim62 -- I think posting the opening was sufficient. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While I see you guys point, this expo was particularly significant. More-so than most others IMO. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Slight oppose: I agree the fact that it was a record-breaking expo is very significant to mention, but mention it a second time for this reason? I'm not so sure. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 19:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--doesn't need to be posted again.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as I nominated this when the record was broken and now seems a good time to post it. International coverage includes The Korea Herald, Voice of Russia and The New York Times. --candlewicke 00:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. The closing itself is a non-event, but the record does raise some interest. However 'Chinese people flock to event showing off China to the world' is hardly surprising. Modest Genius talk 00:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Istanbul bomb blast

15 people injured after a suicide bomb in Turkey. [4] - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. 2010 Istanbul bomb blast created.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:49, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And is still way too spartan to be on the front page. It literally has no more information than a blurb would. --Golbez (talk) 11:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I should add, that my support is contingent on the article's expansion. I think that's to be expected in these types of current events. It just happened--there really isn't anything to add to the article yet. I think is reasonable to anticipate that as more information comes out the event's notability will become apparent.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article has now been expanded a bit, though I'd still wait for more information.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Article has been expanded sufficiently. Story is sufficiently important. __meco (talk) 18:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Only fifteen injuries and no deaths. The occurrences of such events in a hotbed area such as Turkey should be implicit, and thus more attention should be given to particularly extraordinary events.--WaltCip (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think a suicide bombing in a major European city is fairly notable even if noone was killed.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support significant casualty toll. Istanbul is not Pakistan and such occurrences are not routine there.--Wikireader41 (talk) 21:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose no deaths, and Turkey is used to bomb attacks. Nergaal (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. As stated, no deaths were recorded, but this is still Istanbul and it had the potential to cause massive damage. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Any such incidents happening in Europe are indeed interesting; Mar4d (talk) 09:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. Rough consensus, decent article and nearly 23 hours since last update.

Belated oppose Turkey isn't exactly the stable European nation, and very miniscule effect (no deaths, limited injuries). I'm sure there was a multi-car accident in the United States with more injuries today. Grsz11 01:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I don't think there was consensus for this. --Johnsemlak (talk) 02:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remove. Consensus should not be subjective. There either is or is not consensus; there's no middle ground. There is no consensus to post this story.--WaltCip (talk) 05:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's Istanbul (not Kurdistan) we're talking about here. It's pretty stable, and the story is notable. Nightw 15:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
4.5 suports + nom versus 3.5 oppose votes does not look like consensus to me. Considering the Bagdad entry will be put up soon, can we get rid of this one? Nergaal (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Um, that actually does sound like consensus, at least for ITN purposes. I see 4.5 supports (nom + 3 supports + 1 weak support [0.5]) and 2.5 opposes (1 strong oppose [you can't make your vote "count" more] + 1 oppose + 1 weak support [0.5]). Further, given that you and John have suggested that Turkey is rampant with terrorism, there are ample grounds to ignore your remarks. Turkey, and especially Istanbul, is not very frequently subjected to terrorism. Further, the attack occurred in Taksim Square, which is the equivalent of a bombing in Times Square or Leicester Square. This was a bombing at a major square in the center of a major world city that isn't normally subjected to terrorism. Further, this news item was the top story on news sites around the world on Saturday. No, the Baghdad bombings should not replace this one. They are unrelated. They didn't happen in the same city, country, or continent. Cut the orientalism. -- tariqabjotu 22:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am counting opposes for: -WaltCip, me, Grsz11, and a weak oppose = 3.5. Nergaal (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, and I'm assuming the admin who posted the item can't see the future. Therefore, I didn't count Grsz11's oppose or Night w's support. -- tariqabjotu 00:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. When was the last time something like this happened in Istanbul? It certainly doesn't happen every day. --candlewicke 00:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is ridiculous wikipedia HAS articles with bombings IN Istambul in 1999, 2003, 2004, and 2008 and a second 2008 one. This is perhaps one of the most targeted cities by terrorists outside countries in the Middle East. Nergaal (talk) 01:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Shall we also refrain from posting about terrorism in London? From this century: 2001, a second 2001 one, 2005, a second 2005 one, 2007. -- tariqabjotu 02:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • How many English speakers does Istanbul have? Sorry, I meant to ask: how many orders of magnitude less English speakers are there in Istanbul versus London? Nergaal (talk) 03:50, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 30

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  • A large oil field is discovered off the coast of Brazil that could contain between 8 and 15 billion barrels. (BBC)

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2010 International Rules Series

In international rules football, Australia defeat Ireland to win the 2010 International Rules Series.

As reported in Australia, Ireland and on the BBC website. It brings together Australian rules football and Gaelic football, while there is also a Sky Sports article comparing this to The Ashes cricket game between Australia and England so thought I'd nominate it since all three of those games are usually posted or listed at ITNR. It is Australia's first win since 2006. --candlewicke 04:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we already have waaay too many announcements on football varieties that are not played... with the feet. In this case especially, either of those two sports are really played only in 1-0.5 countries in the world, so calling it "international rules" is misleading (probably as much as calling NBA campions as world champions even after losing to the EuroLeague champions). Nergaal (talk) 04:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Bad enough we feature those individual sports, we don't need an even less insignificant one. Grsz11 04:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Question I knew the AFL Grand Final trended worldwide on Twitter. Did the Gaelic football and this one trended too? Pretty silly we'd base ITN decisions on Twitter but that may give a measure on how massive this is. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 06:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not a proper sport, something improvised for one week per year. There is less talk of it in Australia than state league transfers etc. Nobody trains for it properly. Not shown live on TV, negligible media coverage YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Yellowmonkey--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose gimmick. --Mkativerata (talk) 06:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 eruption of Mount Merapi

The page could use some work, but a volcanic eruption is certainly a major event. > 30 deaths already and the *actual * eruption hasn't started yet. ...Can we put this one on sleeper? ResMar 02:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I'm not familiar with ITN, so... =) ResMar 02:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, article seems long enough. --candlewicke 04:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until the eruption actually takes place; and even then, if low causalities and damages are reported, I would still oppose. Nergaal (talk) 04:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I * might * have the time to sandbox it and fix it up. No guarantees though, as lately I've been quite busy. =) ResMar 04:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Power snooker

Oppose very strongly: gimmicky new version of a sport which has had precisely one event in history. Kevin McE (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support we usually post the first event in a competition that has the potential to grow really well (as was with the case of Youth Olympics); this looks like could catch on since it is more engaging. Nergaal (talk) 04:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But that would be WP:CRYSTAL. Grsz11 04:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then why did we post the Youth Olympics? Nergaal (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because that wasn't a matter of guessing. That was an event sponsored by the IOC, and was sure to take off. Sure, it was a little WP:CRYSTAL, but there was definitely more reason to ignore it than this. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 02:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article suggests the tournament wasn't very sucessful.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - pretty much per Kevin. Fad.  f o x  06:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beatification of Szilárd Bogdánffy

Szilárd Bogdánffy was a Roman Catholic auxiliary bishop. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's beatification, not canonisation, we usually post only the latter. --Tone 11:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Tone. Beatifications are quite common in the Roman Catholic Church. Physchim62 (talk) 20:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we don't even post canonizations (unless there is something special like it was with the first Aussie). Nergaal (talk) 04:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UN places global ban on geoengineering

This is pretty drastic. A ministerial conference in Japan of the 193 signatories to the Convention on Biological Diversity decides to impose a global ban on geoengieering experiments and projects to manipulate the world's climate. __meco (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks interesting, is there any article update? --Tone 11:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Seems misleading, as all I can find is a willingness to ban geoengineering, but not an actual imposition. Find a source for the claim, please. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] __meco (talk) 17:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. While it is very interesting, the ban states that "no climate-related geo-engineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place, until there is an adequate scientific basis on which to justify such activities". So I think it is limited to a point where it isn't completely forbidden, especially if our planet ever needs that kind of drastic solution. So I'm neutral on this one in terms of notability. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am confused to as what is this actually supposed to mean. Is China safe now from being obliged to take care of its trash it is spitting in the atmosphere? Unless a clear article on this is created, it can't go on the main page. Nergaal (talk) 04:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miss World 2010

Decided in less than 10 hours.(Lihaas (talk) 05:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC));[reply]
Oppose Beauty pageants, as a group, have no place being glorified on the front page of an encyclopaedia. Courcelles 05:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
wow, that was quick. But precedent has been set.Lihaas (talk) 05:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Courcelles. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not against posting beauty pageants (are they really less trivial than sports events?) but I'd support doing so only based on evidence of notability sufficient for ITN (viewing figures, global interest, coverage, etc) My first check was the BBC News website and the BBC Entertainment section--I found no mention of it on either place. WP says that Miss Universe is the most publicized global beauty pageant, so I'd say we should post only that. also, I believe Miss World was not posted last year.1--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In August this year Miss Universe wasn't posted, with similar arguments to above being used in opposition, though there was considerable support as well. Beauty pageants seems to be a bit divisive.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The SMH reckons Miss World "annually rakes in a global television audience of about a billion viewers". I'm amazed - I thought it had stopped in the 70s. I'm instinctively opposed (per Courcelles), but remain open to other arguments. TFOWR 09:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, well the SMH does qualify as a reliable source of course but I'd like to see further confirmation of a billion viewers--that's more than the FIFA World Cup final. Perhaps it's some sort of cumulative figure?--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I got the impression it was "a typical year's viewing figures". It surprised me, too. I don't know anyone who watches Miss World, but I maybe know the wrong people ;-) TFOWR 09:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This looks like lazy journalism copying a promotional claim. Regarding something else, the SMH story (actually an AFP story they copied) quotes a page on the official site [5] in the paragraph after their "about a billion viewers" claim. Elsewhere the quoted page says "viewing audience of over 1 billion". Event organizers often claim very exaggerated world wide viewer figures. They conveniently omit to break it down by country and there are no serious sources for world wide figures so it's hard to directly prove they are full of BS. It seems they sometimes just add the whole television owning population of countries showing the event. See also List of most-watched television broadcasts#World. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as Miss Universe was not posted, I see no reason why to post Miss World, as the two pageants are more or less similar. --Tone 11:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support iff this, rather than Miss Universe, is considered the top "event": I suspect that opinion on that depends on the broadcasting rights held by the source enquired. If we can compare it with a sport, this is (for the purposes of this support) the top event of genuinely world-wide competition. That judgement is subjective does not prevent our publishing of sports like gymnastics. Those of us in the politically correct west might think that this is a throwback to the 1970s, but it is massive in many parts of the world, and, as I often argue, it is good that ITN reaches beyond the scope of US/UK newspaper headlines. Kevin McE (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this edit summary of yours, I thought you were a Roman Catholic priest? (based on your self-introduction on the user page) --BorgQueen (talk) 14:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the Internet, nobody knows if you are a dog or the Prime Minister of Japan ;) --Diego Grez (talk) 14:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Winner has now been decided, a billion viewers,notable event. she deserves ITN.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We should really start the discussion all over again as it was brought here hours before the crowning of Alexandria.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 15:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah and she also became the 60th winner which is notable in itself.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • How?! Grsz11 15:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Becoming the 60th winner of the biggest beauty pageant in the world is a notable event, just like if someone had won the gold medal at 100 meters at the Olympics etc etc.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Because 60 is such a notable number as opposed to 61? 74? Grsz11 15:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • No point to discuss this, Its obvious already that you are opposed so.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • Opposed to ridiculous rational, yes. Grsz11 15:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Get over it oppose. Not notable, end of. Strange Passerby (talkcontribs) 15:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not notable winner, and this pageant doesn't seem to be in the international interest, per my quick news search (BBC, The Times, WaPo, Yahoo). EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 16:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Its veiwed by about a billion people every year its estimated so it is of public interest. But you might be right that overall news media nowadays dont have even the biggest beauty pageant in the worlds winner as a huge story. But yes their is public interest anyway.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@KevinMcE--the Miss Universe article claims that Miss Universe, not Miss World, is the premier competition, but if you read the source they reference it's mainly based in TV ratings in the US, I think. @BabbaQ--the 'one billion viewers' claim is likely exaggerated, though it may very well have a large global audience--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal. Hey, guys, look at this one: Russian actor and bodybuilder Alexander Nevsky won the 60th Mr. Universe contest in Brusno, Slovakia ([6] [7] [8]). Perhaps the 60th Miss World and the 60th Mr. Universe may be combined in a single line of news and that way become worth of the ITN, eh? ;) GreyHood Talk 17:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a good idea IMO. Those are two different pageants. Besides, it's only the women's events that get big publicity. --Tone 18:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but won't the combination of the two 60th editions of different pageants for girls and for boys look nice and interesting in the newsbox? ;) And, afterall, the second event was even won by old Arnie once long ago, while there are no comparable stars among the winners of the first event ;) GreyHood Talk 19:21, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the 1994 Miss World Aishwarya Rai a hugely popular Bollywood star? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen dozens of movies with Arnie, and only one with Aishwarya Rai (and it wasn't a Bollywood movie). Arnie > Rai :) GreyHood Talk 20:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, even the names of the winners are similar: Alexandria and Alexander :) GreyHood Talk 19:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support whatever happened to NPOV. why are women flaunting their beauty any less important than college dropout guys wrestling, running behind a stupid ball, trying to hit a ball into a hole or trying to swim across a channel faster than the next guy. do any of those activities solve world hunger or any other serious issue which a beauty pageant doesn't ??? Again it is clear that this is a globally widely watched event with major interest worldwide so it is a worthy ITN item. a billion viewers is reported by multiple RS [9][10]. I know in India ( which has produced 5 miss worlds) these are insanely popular. we should not bring our own value judgements into this.--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong WTF oppose. How has ITN dropped so low as to be even discussing this? Physchim62 (talk) 20:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
as long as their are a billion people watching such "low events" I think we are obligated to drop so low to discuss this ;). though my girlfried would rather watch well muscled guys with average IQ of 48 kick a ball into a rectangular target.--Wikireader41 (talk) 20:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A billion people watch Shakira's butt, but that doesn't mean we have to post to ITN the fact that she played in Rosemont, Illinois last night [11]. Physchim62 (talk) 20:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you honestly comparing Miss World with Shakiras butt? Weak argument from the start to end.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not. Shakira's butt is far more notable in terms of its coverage in secondary sources and its influence on modern popular culture than the 2010 Miss World meat market "competition". Physchim62 (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, what is so notable about Shakira's butt? (I am not a pop fun and just don't know anything about this) And why there is no article called Shakira's butt if it has so much influence on the world culture? ;) GreyHood Talk 21:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it should be a redirect to Hips Don't Lie ;) Physchim62 (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank's, I've done some search on YouTube and see what you mean. %) GreyHood Talk 21:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If a billion people watched Shakira's or anybody else's butt simultaneously I would strongly support putting it on ITN ( along with a picture of the butt)--Wikireader41 (talk) 20:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply] are so right. and that is why we should indeed have Alexandria on the ITN section. Good point.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find viewing figures for the opening ceremony of the 2010 World Cup ;) Physchim62 (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support for this new suggestion. sounds like a nice compromise.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean my suggestion? It is really nice if you do, and the newsline may be indeed very nice if the suggestion gets further support. GreyHood Talk 20:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You do realise that you've !voted twice with "strong support"? As with anything else you can't! Strange Passerby (talkcontribs) 22:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No actually I have "voted" on two totally different suggestions for this story. get your facts straight!--BabbaQ (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And this is not even a vote, its a forum to express opinions on which articles to put on ITN. That it is in a oppose, support style can be misleading.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Considering all the previous "stories" you've proposed here, it may suit you well to read up on what is newsworthy. StrPby (talk) 00:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I havent put this "story" up for ITN that was someone else. And you need to get your facts straight before accusing people of something they havent done. peace.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the idea of putting Mr Universe up. That doesn't have nearly the notability of Miss World.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose per Courcelles. I would support this only when the Futurama version of Miss Universe will be announced. Nergaal (talk) 04:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on a who really cares basis. I know someone who won Miss Teen Kansas and went on to compete at Miss Teen USA, and that wasn't even mentioned in the local newspaper. If a girl winning Miss Teen Kansas doesn't make the local paper, why should the winner of this competition be posted here? (At least, that's the thought process in my head attm). But, I have to agree with Nergaal here, I would totally support that version of Miss Universe. =) Ks0stm (TCG) 06:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Luckily they do not have in-depth analysis shows of everybody from top to bottom, unlike the football team composition YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Agree with Courcelles. This kind of thing is not news; it's like Entertainment Tonight. Nobody cares. Nightw 09:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on, even if the viewing figures above are heavily exaggerated, certainly it's not correct to say 'nobody cares'.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A British man is sentenced to 18 weeks in prison for posting malicious and abusive messages on Facebook memorial sites, including the page for deceased reality TV star Jade Goody. (BBC News)
  • An American judge has ruled that a six-year-old may be sued for negligence after crashing into an elderly woman while riding a bicycle at age four.(BBC)

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Pressure Flaking in 75,000 years ago!

Archeologists in South Africa's Blombos Cave discover evidence of early humans using Pressure flaking to make Stone tools in 73,000 BCE more than 55,000 years earlier than previously believed.

Its been the talk of the department all morning! Evidence we were making stone tools not 20,000 years ago but 75,000! [12] The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Can you suggest which article [should be]/[has been] updated? Physchim62 (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do it myself but the article is behind a Paywall and I Am attending a Conference this weekend. Blombos Cave would probably the most important as its the where the discovery was made. Stone tools would be secondary but i think when i looked at it ealier it did not mention dates of origins for the first tools. Pressure flaking is more about the technique I dont think it had dates either. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The original article is here, so this meets our normal publication rules. Physchim62 (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major historical news. Moves the beginning of the Stone Age at least 50,000 years back. That's notable in my book.--WaltCip (talk) 14:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Definitely notable, as per the aforementioned changes to our knowledge of the Stone Age. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 01:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I support the item as it has been presented here but can we have a non-paywall source that details the significance other than the Fox News one?--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on nom, but here's a source: [13]. C628 (talk) 03:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Now we need a decent article.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another source--from the same site linked by Physchim above but this one isn't paywalled for me.--Johnsemlak (talk) 05:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support (once article updated). Johnsemlak's source is OK for me (no paywall), C628's is OK as well. Blombos Cave seems like the likely candidate for bolding; it has been updated but not (as far as I can see) with stone tools/pressure flaking info. Disclaimer: I Am Not An Anthropologist/Archaeologist - smarter folk than what I am may be better equipped to comment on article updates. TFOWR 08:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when the update is there. The discovery was published in a respected journal so it meets my criteria. --Tone 11:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, significant event in our understanding of the Stone Age and our predecessors. I also added stuff to Blombos Cave, but not to anything else. I will make the same disclaimer as TFOWR--I've very little knowledge about this, so if I've made a mistake in my writing, please do correct it. C628 (talk) 17:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eruptions of Klyuchevskaya Sopka and Shiveluch

-A new eruption. Now in Russia. [14] - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 07:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On this one, at this time, I think I'll have to weakly oppose. While it is a significant eruption, at this point, there do not appear to be any deaths or massive amounts of damage from the eruptions (based on the source provided), so it doesn't really qualify as a "major natural disaster" in my opinion. Ks0stm (TCG) 15:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From KVERT: Klyuchevskaya Spoka Shiveluch (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, Klyuchevskaya Sopka hasn't erupted yet, but an aviation advisory has been issued. I'd suggest we hold off on Klyuchevskaya Sopka until it erupts again (it erupted earlier this year). Both articles need to be updated. TFOWR 09:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait. --Tone 11:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 cargo plane bomb plot

I'd like to suggest 2010 cargo plane bomb plot for nomination. It is a major news item (top story on BBC news) and I recently finished creating the article. The headline could talk about the attempted bombing of the cargo planes, or the arrest of the Yemeni medical student, whichever you guys think would be more relevant to our readers. Let me know what you think. – Novem Lingvae (talk) 04:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked Wikipedias in other languages, and it is currently the top story on the Dutch Wikipedia. I have also added inline citations to the article. – Novem Lingvae (talk) 09:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think the discovery of a bombs on planes headed for the UK/US seems to be to be noteworthy to me.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Notable international story.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support big int'l story. DC TC 17:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we have more than enough terrorism on ITN as it is, just with posting the successful attacks, without posting failed events that might not even have been attacks in the first place. In addition, it's far from clear what sort of "added value" Wikipedia can provide to this story: reposting general speculation about motives etc, is still just speculation. Physchim62 (talk) 17:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article is really coming along. We're up to 19 sources now and a number of different editors have collaborated on the article's development. I would suggest that we make a decision soon, while the contents of the article is still considered a current event. – Novem Lingvae (talk) 03:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think this entry is too far down the queue and maybe not even getting looked at now. It certainly continues to be a top news item. --Johnsemlak (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 28

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  • France announces it is likely to withdraw some of its troops from Afghanistan in 2011. (CNN)
  • Somali group Al-Shabaab publicly executes two teenage girls, claiming they were spies. (AFP)

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Death of Jonathan Motzfeldt

Jonathan Motzfeldt
Jonathan Motzfeldt

Found at recent deaths. First and third Prime Minister of Greenland. Rather short at the moment. --candlewicke 00:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fastest supercomputer in the world

China produced the fastest supercomputer in the world. Tianhe-1A at 2.5 petaflops surpasses previous number 1 XT5 Jaguar at 1.7 petaflops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article Tianhe-I will need updating, as it currently has one unreferenced claim to the new record. --Stephen 23:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support clearly a notable achievement for the Chinese - I presume its the first #1 supercomputer outside the US for a long while - maybe since the Manchester Mark 1. I've added a reference for the speed too. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested blurb - The Chinese Tianhe-1A becomes the world's fastest supercomputer. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good blurb, except that TOP500 (and by inference Cray XT5) hasn't been updated. --Stephen 23:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support haha, China is taking over the world. Last time non-US held the record were the Japanese in 2002; USSR in 1984, and UK in the 50's. Nergaal (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, very notable achievement considering the 0.8 petaflop jump. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We'll likely see a 18 petaflops jump in 2011/12 with the IBM Sequoia. JFYI. –bender235 (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major occurance given how long its been since a non-US machine held the title. C628 (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting - timer's red, looks a decent article.  f o x  01:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shit, disregard. I don't have time to update TOP500. Support when that happens, though  f o x  01:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The table's not been changed, but theres a line above it that says "As of October 28, 2010, the Chinese "Tianhe-IA" boasts the worlds fastest speed at 2.507 petaflops" and the timeline's been updated. Not sure if that's enough, but I'd oppose messing with the table, since it reflects what the complete list is currently as published; it'll get changed when the next one comes out in November. C628 (talk) 01:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post Support. Important advance in computer technology, though not as advanced as our brain ;) . ~AH1(TCU) 01:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually posted, thanks for the updates. --Stephen 02:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Remove this from the ITN section. As of today, this is pure WP:SPECULATION. We do not know for sure what supercomputer is the fastest until the TOP 500 November list is released. —bender235 (talk) 11:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read the BBC News article, particularly the part where Jack Dongarra, one of the list compilers, confirms this will lead it.  f o x  12:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That does not matter. Until the TOP500 list is out, we do not know whether Tianhe is the fastest, and therefore do not list it as a fact in ITN. Just like we do not report "Candidate XY will win the election", even if it was based on a 90% poll. —bender235 (talk) 12:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If a faster computer comes along, that too will appear on ITN, and as a more recent entry. Seems fair enough to me.--WaltCip (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
but this isnt an election. the supercomputer power cant just go down in november because CPU's didnt get enough votes in the TOP500... lol. right now its the fastest super computer and i believe thats a confirmed fact. -- Ashish-g55 14:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, but there is a (very slight) chance that some other supercomputer reports a higher Rmax until the November TOP500 list is out. There are at least two supercomputers that are scheduled to reach 10+ petaFLOPS in 2011 (SGI's Pleiades, and IBM Sequoia). —bender235 (talk) 15:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I posted this on WP:ERRORS too; I wasn't sure where it fit better. "The TOP500 article that's linked lists Tianhe-I as 7th place. While it will be the fastest supercomputer next time they update their list, it isn't currently. Maybe the blurb isn't incorrect, then, but linking the TOP500 article, which disagrees with the blurb, is certainly bad form." Makeemlighter (talk) 05:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Haitian cholera outbreak

Support as per Nergaal; article needs improvement.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is very much bare bones. Somebody will need to spend some time on it before it's in a state that can be posted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support pending article improvements and update. It looks like a developing tropical disturbance may be headed for Haiti. ~AH1(TCU) 01:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Court orders Limewire to shut down

A U.S. court has ordered file-sharing site Limewire to shut down immediately. Coverage at NYT, BBC. Grsz11 15:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sharing music is illegal? Who knew? MickMacNee (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose its has significant repercussions on two levels. One is the Legal angle where this a rather odd intepretation of DMCA for the judge to make and that will have legal repurcussions down the road for many websites. Secondly if you notice 4Chan and the hacker culture are going nuts with several DDOS attacks in the last 24 hours on a dozen music industry sites. But my main reason to oppose its this case its not in its climax and still has conplexities to sort out that would probably be better for ITN than lime wire shutting down. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 18:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. So get FrostWire. Or RapidShare. Or any of the other hundreds of downloader programs. Nightw 18:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. MickMacNee's rationale is not valid here. Limewire was the most-used P2P program on the internet, boasting over 50 million members who downloaded copyrighted music. The RIAA will be seeking lots of compensation in a court battle scheduled for January 2011. It's getting buzz from the BBC, Reuters, AP, and NYT (though Lime Wire LLC is based in New York, so NYT is a given, but nonetheless). For those reasons, I support. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 19:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as Night w says there are lots of providers of this service and Limewire having to shut down is not that big a deal. meshach (talk) 00:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Not considered illegal outside the US, and proves that the Feds will do anything to knock down a virtual international door.
Support. Has global implications and coverage. My76Strat 19:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Néstor Kirchner dies

Obvious support, as sitting SecGen of UNASUR, if not former President and current President-consort of Argentina. Courcelles 14:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Relatively young, and sitting leader. Grsz11 14:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support He was not only the president-consort of Argentina, he had a very active role as a senator and on the Peronist Party, and almost more influence than the president. Fixman (talk!) 14:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per courcelles--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Definite strong support, as he was sitting head of major multinational organisation and former head of state. StrPby (talk) 15:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per the Barbados addition, "The Secretary General of UNASUR, and former President of Argentina, Néstor Kirchner dies in office."(Lihaas (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC));[reply]
Still support the original version. It is evident he was in office. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 15:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So? --IANVS (talk) 16:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the update is one sentence long and there is an orange tag on the article. Courcelles 16:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is impossible to add more news for now. Later, during the day there will be condolencies, ceremonies, etc. So it would be updated during the day. I don't know which tag are you referring to, nor what does it means. The news is important nevertheless, be it a line or two. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Additions. New section "Death, Response" started. Please, do consider posting the article. Thanks, --IANVS (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the original mention, not the second one. "In office" may be misleading, and there have been already cases of foreign newspapers that reported Kirchner incorrectly as the current President of Argentina (this whole thing of a president taking orders from her husband nearly as if he was still president, has definitely very few antecedents, if any, out of monarchic governments of some centuries ago). He's "in office" as deputee and UNASUR secretary, but why confuse an already confusing thing. MBelgrano (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well many leaders can be and have been greatly influenced by their spouses, Support anyway YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 23:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Diego Grez (talk) 16:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Images File:ArgentinaNestorKirchner01.jpeg, File:Nestor-Kirchner.jpg or File:Néstor Kirchner-ESMA-Buenos Aires-24 de marzo de 2004.jpg may be used as images for the section of the main page. The Commons category has plenty of images, but those ones are close shots of his face, without distracting elements (such as other people) and may be better options for there, as they may be clear even at a smaller resolution an--IANVS (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)d wouldn't need explaining captions. MBelgrano (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

information Administrator note Néstor Kirchner#Death needs tidying, copy editing and possibly expanding. Twenty minute job at most if anybody's up for it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, what about now. It still has to be improved, but I think this is now ready for posting. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article improved. Please, do post. Thanks, --IANVS (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Could you trim the reactions down to the most important and most relevant and convert them into something resembling prose rather than an indiscriminate list of quotations. Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've already selected the most important woutes as of now, I copied them, translated them, and sourced them. This is an ongoing event, so it would be impossible to give a definitive format by now. Most current events with multiple reactions do work like this in Wikipedia. This is not a reason for not posting. Moreover, posting will lead a lot of editors to improve the job. --IANVS (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support notable figure, unexpected death. Nergaal (talk) 19:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Help: I request help to edit the reactions section according to standards, as noted above by an admin. I'm off after 7hs work. Bye, --IANVS (talk) 20:38, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leave them to me. I will deal with them myself MBelgrano (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This can be helpful: BBC Op-ed Salut. And thanks, MBelgrano. --IANVS (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Néstor Kirchner, former President of Argentina and first Secretary General of UNASUR, dies in El Calafate, Argentina, aged 60.
Even if not head of UNASUR, he is notable as a former head of state. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 21:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just post it, FFS? Overwhelming support, article in acceptable shape; or are we going to spend our time naval-gazing like the timewasters on the LHS of the Main Page? Physchim62 (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support immediate posting. Further adjustments can be made later and a new article can be opened if the section grows large enough. The article as it stands is more than acceptable, in my opinion. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting as per above.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Saqr bin Mohammad al-Qassimi

-was the Emir of Ras al-Khaimah, one of the United Arab Emirates, from 1948 to 2010. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 12:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support "the world’s longest serving monarch" [15] Definitely an ITN candidate The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support; world's longest-serving very long-serving monarch, and, since he was emir of the kingdom for 24 years before it joined the UAE, that does indeed make him a very long serving head of a (former) independent state as well. --Golbez (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Grsz11 14:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Golbez--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Administrator note as of right now, the article still says "As of July 2010, Sheikh Saqr is reported to be dying.", so we're obviously going to need an update before this can be posted. Courcelles 14:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The King is Dead! Long Live the King! I should correct one inaccuracy made here: he was not the world's longest-reigning monarch (Rama IX, who ascended 2 years before, is most commonly cited as holding that honour, although that is technically incorrect also). We should also mention his official successor, Saud bin Saqr al Qasimi, as recognised by the federal government. Nightw 15:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So noted. --Golbez (talk) 17:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. He was the 'King' of 260,000 people. Stop kissing ass, this death is completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things. MickMacNee (talk) 17:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whose ass exactly are we kissing? --Golbez (talk) 17:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting, we don't have Necrophilia to love kissing death people. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you know that Wikipedia desperately needs Arabian oil to function? It's one of the five pillars... Nightw 17:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well if you're talking about the electric power needed to function then the five pillars should be: Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, Hydrodynamic and Nuclear :) Cwill151 (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! What about wind power? Mjroots (talk) 09:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose he was a sub-national monarch and only ruled over a tiny number of people. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He was also one of the founders of the UAE, and pretty much shaped the country into what it is today. He turned his people from poor fishermen into wealthy businessmen. He's a hero in the Arab world. Not to mention that he has served one of the longest terms in a constitutional office in modern history. His death is also getting international media coverage, and many foreign leaders have sent their condolences. Nightw 18:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In which case why isn't he in the list? I accept that the list is incomplete, but there are a decent number of Middle Eastern Politicians on the list. Additionally he's not the leader of the two most important Emirates - Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Besides its not exactly hard to make your country rich when its tiny and has huge amounts of oil. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Probably because that's a poorly-made list that most editors don't know about. I see Big Abdul isn't on it either. Neither are Gyanendra, Simeon, Zardari, Thaksin, Bartholomew, or Hassanal, or Mohammed Omar. But don't worry, Adam Sandler and Jessica Simpson got in. Damn! If only they'd had some girls with them. Nightw 19:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Ras al-Khaimah doesn't have any oil. Do you know anything about the subject you're commenting on? Nightw 19:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If it has no oil at all, how come there is no VAT, Income, corporate or wealth taxes? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Erasedhead. Nergaal (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per Golbez's note. I think the ITN is way too strict on its inclusion standards. When you have stricter standards than the New York Times, I think it's being taken too seriously. It wouldn't hurt to have stories more current on the front page. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 19:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Night w and because 1948 until 2010 is surely long enough? Events are also being cancelled. 40 days of mourning, the disruption of normal radio programming and a possible "fight over succession" as well. --candlewicke 23:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. This guy was a leader of a non-country that even now has a population less than that of Laval, Quebec (a Montreal suburb). Compare him to Kenny Guinn, a recent governor of Nevada, an Anglosphere state with 10 times the population of the emirate who was in power only a few years ago and died in July. If I were to propose Guinn's death for ITN, I'd be shouted down like an ACLU member at a Bible Belt city council meeting. Not that I would, because only the extraordinarily notable should have their deaths on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. I don't think it's up to editors to subjectively determine whether an individual is notable or not. In Wikipedia, we generally use external reliable sources to determine notability. Sheikh Saqr's death has been reported by, among others, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, Reuters, CNN, BBC News, The Wall Street Journal and The Financial Times. Not only was he the second longest-reigning monarch in the world at the time of his death, but it also seems from this list that he is one of the longest-reigning Muslim monarchs in history (although I have yet to find a reliable source stating this). With regards to the above comments about Ras al-Khaimah's tiny population, it should be noted that it is—according to The Daily Telegraph—a "Gulf emirate whose stability is vital to Western interests" and "a strategic western ally that sits on the Straits of Hormuz". Sheikh Saqr's death has precipitated a succession crisis since his newly enthroned son is accused by his brother of having turned the emirate into a major transit point for goods smuggled into Iran. This means that Saqr's death could have serious geopolitical implications. --BomBom (talk) 00:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Former monarch of a small statelet. --Mkativerata (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Yet another <insert Arabic name here> death? I say no, not all of the deaths are notable. Diego Grez (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support its notable due to the length of monarchy. 62 years is a long time even for a small country. -- Ashish-g55 01:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He didn't even rule over small country for 62 years. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 02:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--Sub national leader of a small area. The article isn't really extensive.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not his position that makes him notable. It's his legacy, and the impact his death will have on the region. Nightw 17:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like OR. Nergaal (talk) 19:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's just because you haven't bothered to read any of the articles cited. Nightw 18:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Mwalcoff. Also, that's one of the best metaphors I've heard in a while. DC TC 20:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Condolences from Lebanon, Algeria, Pakistan, Turkey, Kuwait, Georgia, Iraq... --candlewicke 00:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FV Athena

Almost 100 crew are rescued from the burning factory ship Athena. Mjroots (talk) 11:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Barely even news, let alone an internationally significant event. MickMacNee (talk) 17:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered primate species announced

Scientists announce the discovery of the Myanmar Snub-nosed Monkey (Rhinopithecus strykeri) in north-eastern Myanmar

Published in peer reviewed magazine. Got to be more important than discovery of dinosaurs, that we seem to put forward almost automatically. Article very new (I've added some basic intro hurredly to have something for those reading the proposal, but refs and prose should be included and improved before the blurb goes up). Kevin McE (talk) 08:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. (though, aren't we getting unusually many Myanmar-related stories recently? ;-)) --Tone 08:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think they are far enough inland to be safe from the cyclone. As far as I have read, the monkeys' opinion of the new flag remains unsolicited. Kevin McE (talk) 09:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I am reviewing the journal article now, its definitely unusual for a old world monkey to be discovered these days.The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, a new species of monkey is indeed extremely rare... Pretty silly name though. Nightw 15:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. What an ugly bastard. It looks like the average Wikipedian I would have thought. MickMacNee (talk) 17:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support it is really rare that a such a close living relative to sapiens is discovered. Nergaal (talk) 18:27, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

French Senate Approves Final Draft of Pension Reform Bill

The French Senate approves the Pension Reform Bill amid massive protests. [16] meshach (talk) 01:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support if this is the final stage. --candlewicke 01:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom. long overdue The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The final parliamentary stage is this afternoon (European time) when the National Assembly votes the final version of the bill. Physchim62 (talk) 06:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Domestic news. Zero international significance. MickMacNee (talk) 17:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Only superficially is it not of Intenrational significance. France is Major World power, it internal politics effect the world way more than most countries. This has been the subject of near continuous riots over this for a week and will likely strongly effect the next election cycle thus the world politics. The protest over this bill have shut down the economy in france which effect the global economy. The opposition for to this bill makes the tea parties reaction to the health care bill look extremely tame and insignificant. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
France is a Major World Power? Sorry, I have to log off now, I'm about to have a five hour laughing fit. MickMacNee (talk)
Financially it is World power being number 5 in World wide GPD, and militarily as well. Though their military is not as dickish Bold as the United States and the Brits. It is a world power Stereotypes aside The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 20:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quit being ignorant. Support; the riots this has caused are of worldwide interest. --PlasmaTwa2 18:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Posting something on this is long overdue. Nightw 18:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. The linked article says very little about the passage of the bill, and the protest section appears to not have been updated significantly in a week. Nergaal (talk) 19:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't we supposed to wait until Sarkozy signs it? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's important that the blurb mention that the minimum retirement age is going from 60 to 62. They'll now have to wait until age 67 (up from 65) to retire with a full government pension. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


See October 2010 North American storm complex. (talk) 15:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No EF3+, no deaths, no reported damages as of yet; I'm not confident that article would survive AFD, let alone ITN. --Golbez (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks more like a Cold Front that happens each year at about this time... I am not sure we have a "Storm Complex" The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most massive neutron star yet discovered

Astronomers discovered a neutron star roughly 20% more massive than the most massive previously known neutron star. The discovery puts much stronger limits on the possible composition of neutron stars. James McBride (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 26

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts, culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


Mount Merapi erupts

  • An active (and feared) volcano erupts in Java, Indonesia, killing at least 18 people. Not as many casualties as the earthquake, but still significant. We may get two Indonesia stories unless we post a combination blurb. ~AH1(TCU) 21:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, volcanoes are standard ITN stories. --Tone 21:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support:, but it is a good idea to have both stories in the same blurb, as there are "only" 18 victims of the eruption so far. Crnorizec (talk) 22:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait Lets get some more information in on this... do we have an article yet? The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Split 2010 eruption of Mount Merapi from Mount Merapi. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any help would be nice I have no idea how to do a volcanic event article The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Tone--Wikireader41 (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Wikireader41. --candlewicke 01:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are the tsunami and the eruption linked? Nergaal (talk) 02:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as a merge with the tsunami entry. News agencies seem to post them together. Nergaal (talk) 02:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment putting them together will automatically suggest they are linked. As an encyclopedia we really should not do that unless they are actually linked (i dont see evidence in article atleast) even if the media is. -- Ashish-g55 03:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but please do not post this, since the article is in bad shape. In meanwhile we could make a blurb, merging this with the earthquake report.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Aziz sentenced to death

Aziz was the public face and defacto deputy leader of Saddam's evil regime. He notably escaped the death sentence in two earlier trials, but not now apparently. MickMacNee (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now The Vatican is making enough of a Squawk over his poor health... he may not be executed. His attorney will probably seek an appeal which is an option. Lets wait till he is actually executed for us to include in ITN The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 18:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the above, but no one else still alive of the deck of 55 cards. Passing of sentence, not enactment or exhaustion of appeal process, is our usual trigger for posting outcome of trials. Kevin McE (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. good chance he wont be executed.(WP)--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note According to Al Jezeera it was his actions in that the charges "are related to the persecution of Shia Muslim parties in the 1980s." The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It's not often someone who was so famous before being arrested gets sentenced to death. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:32, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as it is a sentencing and the act has not been carried out, at which point it would surely be posted. --candlewicke 01:38, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, until the deed is done (God forbid). Nightw 15:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm. Who knew that ITN editors were such a bunch of bloodthirsty bastards? The nomination was the sentencing of course, which is normally enough. MickMacNee (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and then if he isn't executed, that would have been a mistake to post it wouldn't it? Nightw 16:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What kind of nonsense is that? 'If he doesn't get killed, then he must not have been sentenced to death?' What a load of utter bollocks. MickMacNee (talk)
I'm not sure where you're quoting from. Are you gonna be okay? Nightw 18:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Paul the Octopus

- The common octopus dies. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 10:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - While this octopus had a short lived bit of fame, interest in his exploits died around the end of the World Cup. Additionally at two years and nine months of age, he was well past the expected lifespan for his species. --Allen3 talk 11:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: nore notable than most octopodes, I agree, but a million miles short of ITNworthy. Daft publicity stunt during silly season, if such a thing had been publicised during pre-Wikipedia tournaments I doubt that an article would ever have been made. Kevin McE (talk) 11:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per above. Just a publicity stunt.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. More notable than most octopuses, but he wasn't exactly Lonesome George, was he? . Nightw 12:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But his death is getting worldwide coverage: check out these Spanish newspapers [17] [18]... Oh, well, let's get serious. Oppose, and I'm off out for octopus tapas (with venison, if possible)! Physchim62 (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I love octopus tapas too! I've never tried it with venison though. (I studied in Barcelona for a short while) --BorgQueen (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Venison isn't common on Spanish menus, and they didn't have in the tapas bar that's three (vertical) metres from where I edit WP. However, their pulpo a la gallega was excellent as always (didn't dare ask for it a la alemana)! Physchim62 (talk) 12:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why not combine a blurb for Paul and the Emperor of Exmoor? Only kidding, so oppose. Grsz11 14:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - oddly the nomination itself mirrors my reasoning  f o x  16:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 2010 Sumatra Earthquake

- 1 dead, 160 missing, 150 houses destroyed. (Reuters) (Today's Zaman) (Herald Sun)- Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 08:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Update - 23 deaths - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 11:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, major natural disaster with significant death toll. StrPby (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's the third largest earthquake in 2010 on the Richter Scale.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
according to BBC there was a tsunami and over 100 dead... i dont think there will be any objections to this one. support -- Ashish-g55 13:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support major disaster--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support good size quake but death toll/missing persons is pretty unimpressive The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 14:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
hmm...108 people have been killed and 502 are still missing is unimpressive? -- Ashish-g55 14:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support Death toll significantly higher than initial reportsThe Resident Anthropologist (talk) 14:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Tone 14:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post Support, of course.  f o x  16:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another support due to the extreme nature of the disaster. --candlewicke 01:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

End of the original walkman

It is not completely dead. The article says sales are only being stopped in Japan, not other countries.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't read the article the same way, but maybe I am wrong. [20] Hektor (talk) 07:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC were implying yesterday it was worldwide. So Support as a big tech story - and we don't post many of those. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cited article says "Sony announced that Chinese-made Walkman cassette players will still be exported to North American, European, and Asian markets", so headline claim seems overstated. Kevin McE (talk) 09:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong suport this was so popular once; it wasn the first mobile entertainment device if I am not wrong. Nergaal (talk) 16:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are lots of once popular products that are discontinued all the time. Not enough global impact. meshach (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose So yes Sony has stopped making them, but a subsidiary or similar arrangement will continue thier production and Will contiue providing us with Tape players under the Sony logoThe Resident Anthropologist (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor of Exmoor

Oppose local story of no international interest. StrPby (talk) 01:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm sure most of Britain could care less, let alone any of the rest of us. Great for DYK though. Grsz11 01:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ENGVAR note: the UK English phrase is "couldn't care less" Kevin McE (talk) 09:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Oppose. The article is nowhere near up to scratch. Probably low on significance, though I did find it interesting.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Erm. Excuse me...I am trying hard not to rant... The largest living animal in Britain has just been killed; shot. It's all over the front page of all the major British newspapers. The article is being improved as we speak. This is not local interest, nor is it of 'low significance'. Please reconsider.  Chzz  ►  02:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but nobody can confirm this is in fact the largest. Grsz11 03:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for both ITN and or DYK - the article has improved since 01:48, and the killing has been reported in The Toronto Star and Huffington Post(which only means other U.S. media will also cover), and in Bangkok, Thailand. --Lexein (talk) 02:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If an article appears as the main article, i.e. bolded, in ITN, it becomes ineligible for DYK. StrPby (talk) 03:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Stricken. --Lexein (talk) 03:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sad as it is, it's a single wild animal, and it appears to have been shot legally. There's no major significance here, and UK media coverage does not establish sufficient importance for ITN. This is one of those trivia-type stories that generates a lot of coverage without actually meaning anything. Definitely take it to WP:DYK though. Modest Genius talk 02:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It has already generated massive media coverage, since the story broke a few hours ago. It is not trivia. There are complex questions regarding hunting licence, recent legislation, and so forth. It has significant international coverage already. It's significant internationally for hunting, species preservation, conservation, gun laws, animal sanctuary, and so forth. I do not understand how you can consider the death of the largest animal in Britain to be of "no major significance". I wish I could show you a photograph of a British news-stand right now. In a few hours, most Britains will be looking at a picture of the animal, on the front-page of their newspaper, over breakfast. It is in BBC headline news on terrestrial televison.  Chzz  ►  03:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you're understanding the objections. Balloon boy was all over the US news, but it would never be featured here, for its far too trivial and insignificant, no matter how much the media wants to fuss over it. Grsz11 04:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean this October 15 ITN ("A worldwide media circus...") and [this October 17 ITN ("The sheriff in Fort Collins, ...") I can't seem to find the discussion of those entries. A little help? I do understand the need to select by some sort of significance, but I do not see a clearly delineated, publicly discussed and reached-by-consensus sieve process to be applied uniformly (#papers, #people affected, #countries - what are the criteria?). Where is that? The phrase "In the News" seems to imply that broad coverage should help. To my talk page ... away! --Lexein (talk) 06:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are confusing Portal:Current events with Template:ITN. --Stephen 09:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Confused? No. Listing at Portal:Current events is a WP:ITN#Procedural requirement for ITN, but my links above are to ITN candidates. My questions remain --- please discuss on my talk page since the nominator has dropped (below). --Lexein (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly. The "requirement" is for a blurb, and, frankly, I'd cheerfully waive that if there was a blurb here. So long as there's support, an update, and a blurb I'll post a story. WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY, etc. TFOWR 16:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And now that I've actually read the background... Stephen's quite correct: those listings are from P:CE, which are transcluded here at WP:ITN/C. The ITN candidates are below the P:CE listings. TFOWR 16:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for helping. IMO the source of transclusions should be visible. Example: "15 October 2009 (2009-10-15) (Thursday) (transcluded from P:CE)    edit    history    watch". As an aside, correct-but-unhelpful should not be how things are done. --Lexein (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article said it was a perfectly legal kill . If it had been poached maybe The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there's been no official declaration of legality, only the word "appears", and a statement by an non-independent bystander. I thought a legal kill had to be tagged or reported; there's been no evidence of the hunter claiming the kill. So even if it's legal, it's by no means settled. --Lexein (talk) 06:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunately Chzz is flogging a dead horse deer. --Stephen 04:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose fairly clearly tabloid fodder. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 06:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
An individual specimen of a wild animal, apparently legally killed, about which only one article prior to its death is cited on an article that did not exist until after it died; a local paper story picked up more than a week later by national media. Closer to AfD than ITN. Kevin McE (talk) 10:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Already dropped off the front pages of UK newspaper websites, no particular interest elsewhere that I can see. Newspapers rerun news agency stories, and news agencies prepare stories for them; that's all that's happened here. Physchim62 (talk) 13:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn as a candidate by nominator Clearly I misunderstand what is meant by 'In The News', and my views on educational, informative and above-all encyclopaedic content are at odds with opinions above. I will merely note the fact that, since submission, this has been the #1 or #2 'most read' story on the BBC News website, I will refrain from any further comment, in accordance with WP:STICK and WP:FUCK. Thank you all for consideration and comments; I apologise for the time wasted for those who feel it inappropriate. Chzz  ►  15:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was a good read on page 3 of my daily newpaper today. Still, it's not often you see a good old fashioned STICKFUCK on Wikipedia, so kudos for that. MickMacNee (talk) 16:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 25

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


  • UEFA:
    • UEFA President Michel Platini proposes a goal-line referee's assistant rather than goal-line technology which he says would lead to "Playstation Football", despite controversial decisions in 2010 World Cup matches. (BBC Sports)
    • The European football rulemaking body has called for proof to substantiate corruption allegations leveled against the Euro 2012 bidding process. (BBC Sports)

Death of Gregory Isaacs

Reggae star Gregory Isaacs has died at the age of 59 at his London home following a long illness. - [22] - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say I hadn't heard of him. I'm going to oppose for now on the basis that the story is buried rather un-prominently in the BBC Entertainment section.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I remember a couple of tracks, and I'm sorry to hear the news of the death of a relatively young man, but he is a long way down the hierarchy of modern singers. Kevin McE (talk) 17:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose A tragic event but not of enough major international impact from the death. meshach (talk) 00:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as he does not appear to have had a major influence worldwide. Nergaal (talk) 04:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Giri toll hits 50 mark

Cyclone Giri's death toll rose to 50 in Myanmar. Giri made landfall on 22 October 2010 and was stronger than Cyclone Nargis, which brought devastation to Myanmar coast in 2008. 150+ peple are still missing.Tatiraju.rishabh (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how the strength comparison should affect anything. If anything, a stronger strom killing less people? I think it's a bit early, would support only when a more stable/final toll is announced. That death toll is going to be very changeable. StrPby (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
50 deaths is already pretty notable. Also 1000 homes destroyed, 5000 left homeless, and hundreds missing. Article is in decent shape. Support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless the death toll goes close to 200. We post too many tropical cyclones. If 7 motorsport updates per year are too many, then having every tropical cyclone with 50 deaths is waaay too much. Nergaal (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major disaster. Nightw 12:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. This is the strongest cyclone on record to hit Myanmar, and 70% of a major town of over 20,000 people was confirmed destroyed. At least 84 people were killed and the death toll is rising. Early reports stated that 100 fishermen were missing, and that was just in Bangladeshi waters. ~AH1(TCU) 21:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per AH1. --candlewicke 01:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

World Gymnastics Championships

Have finished. Major sport in many countries, particularly former/communist and strong anti-communist nations eg US, S Korea, Japan YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 01:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not a major spectator sport, except during the Olympics. I recognize a lot of people like and/or participate in gymnastics, but we have to limit sports results to those that have the most interest. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support if it is the highest level of gymnastics. Not really interested in gymnastics but can't think of any reason to leave it out completely, especially if it is followed in many countries. "Mitchell, Bouhail make gymnastics history" also sounds promising. --candlewicke 03:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article--still needs a prose update. From where I'm sitting, Gymnastics is indeed a major sport in Russia, and several stars are household names. There's even a decent Russian Wikipedia article on it. However, I think in Russia the 2010 World Rhythmic Gymnastics Championships are bigger, and also going on right now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rythmic Gymnastic championships finished on 26 September: not sure where that came from. Same editor got confused between the two different styles of Gymnastics last year, and ended up supporting this one then. Kevin McE (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, these different gymnastics types seem to be my bane. When I checked Russian media sites I saw headlines for Russia winning gold in Rhythmic Gymnastics and I assumed it had been recent. It is a big deal here--get's a bit more press that Artistic Gymnastics (or 'Sport Gymnastics' as the Russians call it.)--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It was nominated last year and wasn't posted. There wasn't much (any?) support and the article wasn't satisfactory.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Rhythmic Championships were a month ago... Courcelles 08:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. Got the dates mixed up.--Johnsemlak (talk) 09:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Top level, genuinely international sport. Kevin McE (talk) 08:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I broadly support this event as per Kevin McE and YellowMonkey but recent precedent at ITN seems to not favor this kind of item. I'd point to the 2010 FIBA World Championship for Women and the 2010 FIVB Men's World Championship as similar examples--top competitions of sports with broad world-wide participation but limited media interest. Sporting events with less broad participation but strong media interest get more support here (I'm not necessarily criticizing that, though I would favor posting all the examples above). The current state of the article is also a prohibition, though fixable. In this case, it might be notable that the most prestigious gymnastics competition is really the Olympics.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as the sport has a fanbase even in the US. Proposed blurb: Nergaal (talk) 04:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 24

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economics

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


Malmö shootings

A serial shooter in Malmö, Sweden, seems to be targeting people with dark skin. Only one fatality yet, but the special nature of the crimes makes it quite newsworthy. Lampman (talk) 15:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • oppose As disgusting as we may all find hate crimes, I am not convinced its ITN Material any more than most ethnic violence is. especially with only one person dying. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • support A extremely high profile case in Scandinavia. Has reached international headlines.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And also that "only one person dead" has been the subject of a number of episodes of the Swedish crime show Efterlyst and numerous news stories. Also the case has becomed very notable because that the shooter only shoots people with dark skinn like John Ausonius in the early 1990s.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I might support the capture of the individual depending the merits of the case at the time of capture but right now no. Merely reporting possible multi-day shooting spree in progress does not merit ITN recognition yet. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK but police has already established that it is the same man who shot the deadly shot against the dead Swedish girl and atleast five other of the shootings so.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Malmo Shootings gets abot 70 hits on Google News. I've gotta conclude that's pretty low interest in this, at least outside Scandinavia. I also agree that one death in a crime is simply not ITN material normally.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local story--Wikireader41 (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if we would have this "Local story" discussion and "only one death" discussion had this been an American case or British.. I doubt it. But anyway.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When I just searched on Google the words Malmö shooting I recieved 71 600 individual hits.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
BabbaQ, I'm quite certain that such a case would receive substantial opposition at ITN if the victim were American or British. Certainly, shootings are commonplace in the US. While less so in the UK, there's still over 600 homocides per year. We can't post them all at ITN. Yes, this incident may have unique circumstances but it doesn't have enough interest to merit ITN inclusion IMO.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the Unabomber took exactly three lives, and that was one of the biggest news stories throughout the 80s and 90s. Whether you oppose or support this entry, I would appreciate if commenters refrained from simplistic arguments presupposing that the notability of a crime story is a simple equation based only on the number of casualties. The world isn't that simple; there are more factors involved than that. Lampman (talk) 21:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He also was "Bombing" places mind you. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, local story, one (unfortunate) death, not really any lasting impact. More pedantically, can you not use bullets to support/oppose?  f o x  21:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bad pun, please show some respect for the victims. Lampman (talk) 21:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bad pun or not, it *was* in the 'please do not' section at the top of the page. I just noticed it had gone (without discussion), and restored it. Modest Genius talk 21:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was me: sorry if it was inappropriate but although it had been well observed in the previous format, it seemed redundant, and was largely ignored since the change in layout with a ToC and each proposal having its own level 4 (although it would be more logical for it to be level 3) heading. Bullet-points were still not suggested, but note how below it is the default assumption of editors, as per the example of comparable !polling of opinions like AfD pages. And the formatting of the "Sample candidate discussion" section above seems to have been abandoned in practice, so it seemed churlish for a rubric to insist on it. Kevin McE (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October 23

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


Fran Crippen

It is not often that athletes die in an internationally recognized event. Nergaal (talk) 02:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative support – not sure if we should really have two deaths on T:ITN, given the nomination of David Thompson's death below. Arguably a sitting head of government's more notable than an athlete, but given he's the defending Pan-American champion, definitely would merit inclusion. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 02:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose- Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless the cause of death is notable. --PlasmaTwa2 07:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose he is sufficiently for the main page, and this isn't the Olympics. DC TC 07:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I can't find any mention of this on the BBC or BBC Sport.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Athletes dropping dead while competing is not that uncommon. Physchim62 (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Irony is not a factor in ITN considerations.... The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Physchim62. If this happened during an NFL, MLB or Premier League game, it would be a bigger news event. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Mwalcoff, please leave your hobby horse out of this. (talk) 13:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Czech opposition wins mid-term elections

Would seem to me to be an important enough country (EU member, US ally) to include on ITN. Potential problems needing to be resolved include the merge tag on the two articles as well as updates to related articles like Senate of the Parliament of the Czech Republic. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 00:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I'm familiar with the Czech Republic, and I can tell you no one cares about the Senate there. The House can override the Senate with an absolute majority (that is, a majority of all delegates rather than a majority of delegates voting). This is not like in the U.S., where the Senate is equal in power (and in some ways, more powerful) than the House. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose to mid term elections of any state (even though we know that wont happen) -- Ashish-g55 01:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yeah, then watch the US mid-term elections get dozens of supporters for ITN *rolls eyes*. When people say that Wikipedia is an American wiki, they aren't damn kidding. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 21:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mariann Birkedal

Norways Mariann Birkedal became the first Norwegian delegate to place in Miss World for eight year when she won the Miss World Top Model fast track event at Miss World 2010 in China on October 23.

Im nominating this story because it has becomed a main story in Norwegian media, it has also reached international headlines on different websites. Also an historic factor involved.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. she can go on ITN when she discovers a cure for cancer or something like that. Physchim62 (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no one have claimed that Mariann will ever discover the cure for cancer. But that doesnt change the fact that she can do great things in other areas in life. Like this one above.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Beauty pageants aren't ITN-worthy. She hasn't even won the main event. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I would only consider the winner of the whole thing. SpencerT♦C 00:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL Nergaal (talk) 02:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No chance, and I suggest BabbaQ reacquaints themselves with our importance criteria. Modest Genius talk 18:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what importance criteria? WP:ITN isn't exactly clear. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. But this item certainly counts as 'trivial'. Modest Genius talk 18:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bahraini parliamentary elections

The Bahraini parliamentary election, 2010 takes place today. I'm nominating this as is right by WP:ITN/R, and because it will probably get nominated anyway. But I think it should be noted that this is for the lower house, and that the upper house (and the Cabinet) are directly appointed by the King, so whether elections are significant here, I'll leave up for consideration. Nightw 14:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently it doesn't finish until 30 Oct, and the article is a rather poor stub. Modest Genius talk 18:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of David Thompson

David Thompson in 2010
David Thompson in 2010

The incumbent Prime Minister of Barbados, David Thompson, has died. Google Nightw 14:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, death of sitting head of government is extremely notable. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 14:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The only importance is that he died in office. This man is not so notable. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Death of a sitting head of government. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:13, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - death of an incumbent head of state. Connormah (talk) 19:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - death of an incumbent head of state. Crnorizec (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. We should also mention that Freundel Stuart has been sworn in as his replacement. Physchim62 (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note that we can (IMO should) post this as death + change in head of government. The change in HoG itself would have been worthy of nomination, even without the death. Physchim62 (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Same as the above. Leaders rarely die while sitting. --candlewicke 00:51, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't know they kept stats on that. --Mkativerata (talk) 00:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You know, Wikipedia, the sum of human knowledge ;) Physchim62 (talk) 01:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article as a whole needs more expansion before it can go up, IMO...the summary of Thompson's whole life is relatively short. SpencerT♦C 01:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support upon article expansion. These events like elections or HoG changes have become sensitive lately. Barbados has a population of 250,000, which I have to say makes it a fairly non-notable state. Still, general WP ITN policy is to report the death of a sitting head of state and the appointment of another. I suggest we keep the blurb as short as possible.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggested blurp: The incumbent Prime Minister of Barbados, David Thompson, has died. --Kslotte (talk) 12:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, aticle is good enough for publishing. --Kslotte (talk) 12:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest "Barbados Prime Minister David Thompson dies in office and is succeeded by Freundel Stuart."--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Article's not great, but it's just about sufficient imo. My connection is crap so I can't sort the image, but I'll gladly add it to the template if someone else uploads a local copy. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the image. It might benefit from cropping but I'll leave that to someone more able than me - Dumelow (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IMF reform

The Ministers of Finance of G-20 agree to reform IMF and shift about 6% of the voting shares to major developing nations and countries with emerging markets. BBC GreyHood Talk 13:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Major event that reflects the growing share and significance of the developing nations and emerging markets in the world economy, in particular the BRIC countries (especially China). Such developments may have a huge impact on the future world politics. GreyHood Talk 13:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support a significant shift and we don't do enough financial stories on ITN. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is something that's been talked about for years, so significant that it is actually happening (even if 6% isn't much of a change). Physchim62 (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: this shift is a formal recognition (albeit small in %) of change of balance of world economies. However, the article does not cite any outcomes of the summit. Crnorizec (talk) 23:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By the way - what article should be bold-linked? Whichever article is bold-linked will need to be updated and in good shape. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. The 2010 G-20 Seoul summit should obviously be the one bolded, but the article itself is NOT updated. Nergaal (talk) 03:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We should probably also mention the joint communique in which the members committed not to engage in a currency-devaluation war, even if it did not include Tim Geithner's proposal to limit trade surpluses and deficits. I think that's what most people were looking forward to out of the G-20 meeting. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The 2010 G-20 Seoul summit will take place in November. This was a preparation for the summit, in the rank of Ministers of Finance. It could be a separate article, or part of that article. Crnorizec (talk) 07:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the initially proposed wording, excluding the summit from it, and put IMF in bold. IMF article still needs update. GreyHood Talk 13:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, it seems that there is an article on 2010 G-20 Seoul summit preparations. May be it could be inserted some way into the wording. GreyHood Talk 13:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Question: If the G20 finance ministers have agreed to change the IMF rules (note these are two separate bodies), when will they actually take affect? And is that a mere formality? Modest Genius talk 18:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, the Ministers of Finance and Heads of the Central Banks are usually appointed to control the IMF members' quotas (btw I've inserted the news into this section of the IMF article). The G20 finance ministers control the majority of quotas in the IMF and that's why all major decisions depend on the G20. When the reform actually will be implemented is unclear for me, perhaps during or just after the summit in November. And I'm not sure that the moment of the final implementation of the reform will make headlines, so better post it now or never. GreyHood Talk 20:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. If it is at the G20 summit in November, I'd be more inclined to post it then, on the general principle that we should report actual actions rather than announcements of intent (regardless of when the media reports on it). Modest Genius talk 20:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the final effects of the reform may actually be seen in practice only when IMF will next time take some major decision that requires voting, something like giving a credit to a country that needs IMF support. I'm not sure that the date of any such decision-making meeting has been set already. Anyway, what is important here is not the time when these 6% will be formally and in practice shifted, but the fact that developed nations finally recognised that the role and significance of developing nations and emerging markets have risen during the ongoing world financial crisis, something that had been failed to be done in Pittsburg Summit last year when they started to talk about 5%, not 6% shift. And the recognition of this important fact has taken place on October 23, not later. GreyHood Talk 21:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would be in favor of putting it now. We post world records in athletics when they are broken, not when they are ratified by IAAF. The decision is taken now, and the change will happen. The latter is a bureaucracy that nobody will really care then. Nergaal (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting now, this is a significant shift and these stories aren't often posted. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The proposed news item seems to be supported, the banner has turned red, and there are almost no any other candidates that are not widely opposed. GreyHood Talk 20:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted with a link to the summit prep article and a slight trim to compensate. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 00:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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