Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section - it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

Lee Hsien Loong in 2016
Lee Hsien Loong

Glossary[edit]

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps[edit]

  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

Purge this page to update the cache

Headers[edit]

  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
  2. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
Skip to top
Skip to bottom

Archives[edit]

May 19[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections


2023–24 Premier League[edit]

Article: 2023–24 Premier League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Manchester City, the defending champions, won their fourth consecutive Premier League title (Post)
Alternative blurb: Manchester City win their fourth consecutive Premier League title
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Man City win the Premier League.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Updated with ITNR=yes as this is ITNR. Also added alt1, as "defending champions" is clear from them winning consecutive titles. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 17:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raisi helicopter accident[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Iran, a helicopter crashes carrying president Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, AP News, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominating since, even if they survive, the equivalent story in the U.S. would be notable enough to post. Davey2116 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if a helicopter carrying the PM of russia crashed it would be in ITN Lukt64 (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Raisi's definitive condition is known. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, so we can have a consensus to post asap. Of course the story (and blurb) should be updated once we have more information, but it is already newsworthy as is. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a very major news, although the status of the Iranian president isn't confirmed yet GodzillamanRor (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it is currently on headlines Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A world leader may have just died, and is at least critically injured. Bremps... 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we really (and officially) know what state the Iranian president is in. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Regardless of the outcome of the crash, reliable sources are reporting a potentially fatal accident involving a world leader has occurred. Would we wait to see if President Biden was reported deceased in a helicopter crash? Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, we would wait if that occurred. ITN is not a breaking news ticker, we want to report the best statement about a story so we wait. — Masem (t) 15:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a very big news story. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This will be notable regardless of the outcome. Johndavies837 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support obviously notable enough to post right now Bedivere (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Of course it's going to be notable but I don't feel like it is up to spec to be on the front page right now. Wikipedia is not BBC or NBC. It is an encyclopedia and articles need to look like it. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support iff death of Raisi confirmed. Mjroots (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd say the airplane crash would still be ITN-worthy if the foreign minister died, or if the President were injured. Bremps... 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait the details are unclear and this blurb is therefore ridiculously vague. Give it 12 hours and more information about the crash. Then and only then will a sensible blurb be able to be written. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. C'mon gang. We know nothing here. If no one is dead this really ISN'T notable. Maybe someone is. But there really is no reason not to wait. If a high ranking figure in the Iranian government has died it will remain notable, I guarantee that. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - Doesn't matter whether he dies or not, a plane crashing with a head of state in it is definitely notable enough Abo Yemen 16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for now, Support if there are confirmed deaths Personisinsterest (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we have some confirmed details. Nigej (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for further details, per above. The Kip 17:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 18[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Tony O'Reilly[edit]

Article: Tony O'Reilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish businessman and international rugby union player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mark Wells[edit]

Article: Mark Wells (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHLDetroit Free Press
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ice Hockey Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Nordstrom[edit]

Article: Bruce Nordstrom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American billionaire businessman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Improper external linking in the body along with uncited statements. Bremps... 16:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alice Stewart[edit]

Article: Alice Stewart (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

if successful, give credit to HistoryTheorist as it is her logged out due to temporary computer problems 50.47.223.9 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury for the unified heavyweight championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Ring of Fire match, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury by split decision to become the first undisputed heavyweight boxing champion in 24 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion with the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles.
News source(s): Sky Sports Yahoo News
Credits:

For the first time in 25 years Usyk wins the WBA, WBO, WBC and IBF world titles; Shadow4dark (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • DQ No article. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously nothing to evaluate until there's an actual article, but reading the sources, a key aspect here is that this fight was to reunify four different boxing championships in the last 25 years, so that probably should be very clear in the blurb and subsequent article. --Masem (t) 00:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: There is an article, Usyk was just spelled incorrectly in the template. Stormy clouds (talk) 00:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Things like this don't happen every day and are even more rarely commemorated by people like us; this article does not suck, it just needs time. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support/Oppose on Quality. I'm not one for boxing in general and do kinda think it's a joke now, but first undisputed heavyweight champion since 2000? Yeah, that's news, and from my layman's perspective, the one boxing story worth posting at ITN. Not sure the best target articles, but I do think Usyk himself, the match, and Undisputed championship (boxing) should be bluelinked. My quality ruling depends on the target article though - Usyk's article looks good, but a fight summary would be nice for the fight article. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. BD2412 T 02:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is lacking an update aside from the one sentence Usyk won by split decision.[1] in the lead. Nothing about the match itself is in the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but give some time for the the article(s) to be updated. I like DarkSide830 idea. I have added an altblurb to emphasize the rarity of this occasion. Bit wordy though. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. First undisputed heavyweight champion in a quarter of a century is notable even with boxing’s reduced stature, but the fight article needs expansion. The Kip 03:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have expanded the fight article, adding some rudimentary fight details, but it could be expanded a quite a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, Starship.paint and I have expanded the fight article. It could possibly be bolded too. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. The media attention says it all. Also, I recommend WP:ITNR for fights only to boxers who won undisputed titles, given the rarity of this achievment and the media attention lavished on such. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alternative blurb III. In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and use Alt3, don't use the "Ring of Fire" one as it was just a marketing phrase (that practically everyone ignored). Black Kite (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Narayanan Vaghul[edit]

Article: Narayanan Vaghul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Business Line (India) Economic Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian banker. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 17[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Bud Anderson[edit]

Article: Bud Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vintage Aviation News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support World War II flying ace, seems sourced enough (no idea about truth), short but not stubby; he was 102. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pat Buckley (priest)[edit]

Article: Pat Buckley (priest) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Catholic bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 59th Academy of Country Music Awards[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.



Proposed image
Article: 59th Academy of Country Music Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 59th Academy of Country Music, Lainey Wilson Wins Entertainer of the Year award. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Heatrave (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose less than 200 words of prose. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not ITNR and not globally notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, not notable enough for ITN (there's a reason it's not ITN/R) and not enough prose as well. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Not notable globally and fails ITNR. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily !voting in support, but an annual event like an awards show that happens not be listed on ITNR doesn't mean we cannot have it as a valid blurb. Just that one does have to demonstate where the significance of the event on the larger scale should be to post it (such as how The Game Awards have been handled in the last few years, not an assurance). I would agree that the Country Music Awards is far too niche given we already post the Grammys which had its own country music awards. — Masem (t) 21:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose reigonal at best Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not that influential awards event and also article is in not a good state. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Closed) 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on a police station in Johor, Malaysia by a suspected Jemaah Islamiyah member had left 2 police officers and the perpetrator dead, and 1 officer injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Today
Credits:
A rare attack in this country. Last major activity by/of/on terrorists in the country was in 2015. See Terrorism in Malaysia#War on Terror and Islamic extremism. – robertsky (talk) 09:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting story, but not significant enough for ITN. There are no obvious larger implications linked to this specifically. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it does not look like it will have long term implications. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Attack is not internationally significant enough to warrant an ITN post. Tofusaurus (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

May 16[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Dabney Coleman[edit]

Article: Dabney Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Well known actor. Unfortunately the article suffers from the usual shortcoming in citations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography and awards section needs more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 New Caledonia unrest[edit]

Article: 2024 New Caledonia unrest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Protests break out in New Caledonia, a territory of France in the Pacific, over voting rights changes. (Post)
News source(s): NPR AP The Guardian
Credits:

Protests going on in New Caledonia. Not sure if the scale of the protests qualify for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mild support lets see how things go for a bit first Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Protests are gaining in both scale and attention, and the article is well-developed. The Kip 04:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the news is getting a lot of international attention. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Fascinating and well-written article, looks very appropriate for our feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, flare-up in protests that is definitely relevant enough for ITN, bringing up the question of New Caledonia's independence once more. Article is also up to quality. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support - Only getting larger and larger, riots have turned fatal, entire territory in chaos atm. Pretty major news. My only problem is that I don't think the article is quite good enough for an outline of the protests; only two paragraphs in the article are about the actual unrest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable and article looks good. I assume It'll only grow more (the article, hopefully not the protests). mike_gigs talkcontribs 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedSchwede66 20:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • New Caledonia should be wikilinked in the posted blurb, as it was in the nomination. LukeSurl t c 14:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why? Schwede66 19:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Where. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or, for those who don't "get" quips, locations of events are typically seen as rather central to the story. If linked, it would avoid a need to spell out the whole post-comma, elaborately geopolitical taily-do. Of course, those who don't get quips probably don't see why brevity's "cool", either. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know we don't generally follow our parent section's examples (blurb or RD), but I like how Current Events May 18 has it today: The death toll from the protests and riots in New Caledonia rises to six people. Link the place, boldlink the P&R, Bob's your uncle. Just a suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposal to edit the text to "Protests break out in New Caledonia, a French territory in the Pacific Ocean, over voting rights changes". Any of the phrases "Ocean", "in the Pacific Ocean", and "a French territory in the Pacific Ocean" could be removed and I would be okay with that. But mainly the point of the proposal is to separate the phrases "Protests break out" and "over voting rights changes" since I think the sentence sounds clearer that way. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support change, also "a French territory" is more natural than "a territory of France". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 07:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Breaking the protests and their subject into two clauses at opposite ends of a sentence doesn't flow well at all. Stephen 08:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah no. The current wording is much better than the way it was originally written in terms of flow. The "a territory of France" bit is arguably not even required, and readers should be able to get to the meat of what the hook is saying without stumbling over that I'm the middle.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right, we don't normally describe what or where a region is. Stephen 08:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) EU investigation of Meta Platforms[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Meta Platforms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Commission has opened an investigation into Meta Platforms over concerns of child safety. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian AP News Yahoo! Finance
Credits:
--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The EU, the FTC, and others have investigations open against Meta and many other big tech firms over various practices. Should a significant finding and penalty come out of those, that would be the time to post, but not at the start of any such investigation. --Masem (t) 12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merely starting an investigation. If they're convicted of something, or get a huge fine, maybe we can reconsider. Also, the update to the article is one short sentence, giving no more information than is in the blurb, so even if this was important enough there wouldn't be enough encyclopaedic material to post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The BBC report says that it's not just Meta,

    A number of big tech firms are now under investigation for potential breaches of the EU's tough new Digital Services Act ... their algorithms, may stimulate behavioural addictions in children, as well as create so-called 'rabbit-hole effects'," the EU said announcing the investigation. Rabbit-hole effects refer to the propensity of algorithms, when a user looks at one piece of harmful content, to suggest more of the same.

    Sounds just like Wikipedia. I can give it up any time I want... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please point to the algorithm that has been created in software by the WMF that suggests other pages to look at. We have curated links and See Alsos by editors but that's clearly not what EU is evaluating. — Masem (t) 16:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the level we require for ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose maybe if it gets banned but not now Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Kip 04:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Sumatra flash floods and cold lava[edit]

Article: 2024 West Sumatra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 62 people have died and 25 are missing after flooding and a lahar in Indonesia's West Sumatra province. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, The Guardian, Al jazeera
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eddie Gossage[edit]

Article: Eddie Gossage (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A longtime auto racing promoter from Texas who has recently died from cancer. Article recently promoted to GA. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • tc) 03:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 15[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


RD: Katherine Porter[edit]

Article: Katherine Porter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American artist. Obituary published 15 May. Thriley (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

almost ready Bibliography section needs just a bit more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Darren Dutchyshen[edit]

Article: Darren Dutchyshen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TSN, CBC, Yahoo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian sportscaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slight Support Wish we had something about early life, but I don't see anything else holding it back. Bremps... 15:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kamla Beniwal[edit]

Article: Kamla Beniwal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today, Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Governor of three different states in India, amongst many other things. Not ready yet (orange tags and citations needed), but it looks like editors are working on improving it. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose two orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Article has a lot of unsourced parts and neutrality is disputed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Shooting of Robert Fico, Prime Minisiter of Slovakia[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Attempted assassination of Robert Fico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister of Slovakia Robert Fico (pictured) is hospitalised after an assassination attempt (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Developing story, incident will likely have dedicated article soon. Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, was shot in what appears to be an attempted assassination. He has been hospitalised - at present his situation/prognosis is unclear. LukeSurl t c 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) edit: changed target article to recently created Shooting of Robert Fico. --LukeSurl t c 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Regardless of what happens next, a prime minister getting shot is notable enough to blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but the one-sentence update is insufficient for posting. We should wait for more details to come in.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the article is further developed now. Details are slowly arriving as well.ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This incident is noticeable, because it is a head of government being shot, which should never happen, but is notable enough to blurb.
TomMasterRealTALK 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability as the page isn't fully done yet but hopefully once more depth is added it's ready. A head of state or government getting shot is notable enough for a blurb. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait at least a few hours for details to emerge and a proper article to be written. We're not a breaking news service, an encyclopaedic article needs to be developed first. This absolutely merits a blurb, but the shooting was only an hour ago and we don't know the outcome yet, let alone the details of what happened and why. Modest Genius talk 14:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but details are still emerging and article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle but wait at least a few hours per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for a few hours then Support This is certainly making headlines but the article should probably be developed more before we add it.-FusionSub (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait for expansion. LiamKorda 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it easily meets notability--a head of government being shot. But wait for the full details and any updates, as Fico is reportedly in a life-threatening condition. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "what appears to be an assination attempt"... so is it an assination attempt?
CheetasOnMission (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality has evolved past stub and is in acceptable condition to be posted Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll post this when the lead is longer than one sentence and we source fewer tweets. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - article looks ready. User:Muboshgu, the lead is now 3 sentences and lots of references. No tweets jump out at me. Nfitz (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good given the sources that are out there. I'm sure it'll get expanded once more is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Braganza (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gudrun Ure[edit]

Article: Gudrun Ure (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish actress best known for Super Gran. Article is a stub and needs expanding, which I shall make a start on now. Edit: better now, still a little short but there's enough there. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the page is expanded and more depth is added, then it'll be ready. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't see that there's an issue with this one now, so I've marked it ready. Black Kite (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Russian Kharkiv Offensive[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.



Article: 2024 Kharkiv offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast.
Credits:
Ok, I know, I know. This is ongoing, however the new Russian offensive is front-page news on almost every site. My main argument is that we posted events in the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive, and this new Russian offensive has taken just as much land as Ukraine did last year, and is the first time a new front has opened since the invasion in 2022. It's a significant development in the conflict that warrants a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as what seems to be a major turning point in the conflict. I'll note that it has been argued by some to be a feint to divert Ukrainian resources from Donetsk, but the extent of the operation makes me doubt that. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing, and it's too early to tell if this is going to be a major development. Now, if Kharkiv falls, I'd support that as a significant development. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even if this is covered by ongoing it still is a major development. Lukt64 (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because this is already covered by the ongoing item. I warned that such a major escalation that would warrant inclusion might happen one day when nominating the ongoing item for removal last year. It was better to remove then and re-post a blurb followed by a move to ongoing, but there was simply no support for it, so let it be as it is now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now since although it is a major development and a turning point in the war, it is already covered in ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. If the Russians capture Kharkiv, that would be worth a blurb. At present this is just the beginnings of a long-anticipated offensive (not a 'second front', given there are several already), so can be left to ongoing. Modest Genius talk 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting this will open a floodgate. Soon stories about ISreal-Gaza war will be nominated then there will arguments that this was nominated and there will some who will say this was different. So, in order to avoid that it is best to not post this. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a new front in the war opening in Southern Lebanon, for example, would be very much blurb worthy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 15:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing. LiamKorda 16:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) PM of Singapore[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Lawrence Wong (talk · history · tag) and Lee Hsien Loong (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb II: ​ After ruling for nearly twenty years, Lee Hsien Loong resigns and Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb III: ​ After nearly two decades, Lee Hsien Loong resigns as Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured)
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Singapore, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister when Lee Hsien Loong retires.
Alternative blurb V: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeding Lee Hsien Loong, who becomes Senior Minister of Singapore.
Alternative blurb VI: Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as Prime Minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, AP News, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Could not quite figure out how to word this blurb in the best way. Lee Hsien Loong has ruled Singapore for nearly twenty years and his successor, Lawrence Wong, is taking over today. Figured highlighting both extensive articles because of the rare transfer of power in Singapore. --Classicwiki (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support blurb II , Important to note that Lee Hsien Loong has been in power for many years User:GodzillamanRor (talk) 17:18, 19 May 2024 UTC [refresh]
  • Support The articles seem ok. I've added a blurb with two features: mention Singapore at the outset, to establish the context. And use the word "retire" rather than "resign" as this change seems to be mainly age-related. Two other points which would be hard to fit in are that this seems to be the end of the Lee family political dynasty and that the succession seems to have been stage-managed rather than being an open election. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose alt 2 - because the Singaporean prime minister is not a ruler. Original blurb or alt blurb are OK, alt 3 and 4 are OK too if edited for grammar. Banedon (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 & ALT6 main, ALT1 & ALT2. Oppose any blurb with the "resigned/retired" wording (revised position, whatever Starship said below makes sense to me). S5A-0043Talk 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to add that this should only be posted after 8PM Singapore Time (12 noon GMT+0/8AM EDT), as the swearing in will only be taking place at that time. S5A-0043Talk 08:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Officially sworn in: [1][2]. S5A-0043Talk 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 I find the Alt burb 3rd to most correct. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Lee has definitely not "retired", he is now a Senior Minister of Singapore. That makes "resigned" misleading as well, as he is still both an MP and Cabinet member. "steps down" is more appropriate, being used by AP, BBC and Reuters above, and by Singaporean media as well. Proposed ALT5 and ALT6. starship.paint (RUN) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, "steps down" is fine. My concern with the word "resign" is that it carries connotations of failure or scandal and that doesn't seem appropriate here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed with you as well. LHL was still an MP and part of cabinet (as Senior Minister). There was no indication of retirement nor resignation, and the explanation was also justified. Sculture65 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT6; Oppose ALT1, ALT2 and ALT4 - This one was very appropriate in context, compared to the other five. And I also agree on each other comments as well that PM Lee had not retired from politics either; it's just only becoming Senior Minister instead and had not ruled out of retirement. Also, congratulations to him as well, best wishes to him. Sculture65 (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment (also opposing ALT3 and original) - Resignation is not the right word either; if that was resignation, it refer to exiting the parliament or office, and it can be confusing to readers if that word was used without proper clarification. Step down is a more proper, appropriate verb in this case. Sculture65 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and suggestion - Just go with that ALT6 and with this point blurb, it was rather making more sense and proper. It also shows that PM Lee still remain as cabinet and MP and Lawrence Wong assuming PM-ship. I have to oppose original, ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 (because of the word resignation), as well as ALT4 (again, PM Lee did not retire). ALT5 was a bit too long though. Sculture65 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 and ALT6 as they are the most appropriate in context. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6 gets my vote. However, the next Singaporean general election (an ITN/R event as well) will be held no later than November 2025, which will be more significant than this change of leadership. – robertsky (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with any of the blurbs CheetasOnMission (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 14[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


(Ready) RD: Diane Deans[edit]

Article: Diane Deans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2024/05/14/diane-deans-passes-away/ , https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/former-ottawa-city-councillor-diane-deans-dies-after-5-year-cancer-battle-1.6886892 , https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/diane-deans-who-sat-on-ottawa-city-council-for-28-years-has-died-1.7198785
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ottawa City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing too important seems to be missing and all facts are cited. Bremps... 15:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Don Perlin[edit]

Article: Don Perlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://comicbook.com/comics/news/moon-knight-co-creator-don-perlin-dies-94/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American comic book artist. Co-creator of Moon Knight, Bloodshot and others. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose As of now, the article lacks references for the works section. FlipandFlopped 13:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Netiporn Sanesangkhom[edit]

Article: Netiporn Sanesangkhom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thai political activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC76:F38C:52DD:4499 (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Well developed article. I've added credit for Screwdriverr as the other major contributor. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article quality is adequate. gobonobo + c 00:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't post recent deaths where there is an unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 01:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Schwede66, I have added a DOB citation from a Thai language source. Looking for more, but the only one I can find at the moment. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted I have commented out an unreferenced controversial statement: "it is widely acknowledged in society that Section 112 has taken Bung’s life." Feel free to hunt down a ref for this and unhide it again. Schwede66 08:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Shirley Conran[edit]

Article: Shirley Conran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Quite a big name in her day. I'd be suggesting a blurb but we don't have a free picture, alas. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support , article is well sourced and easy to read Sharrdx (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per above. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 16:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Works is entirely unreferenced. Stephen 00:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen:, I have referenced the works section. Given those additions, I support, because the article is now ready. FlipandFlopped 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 13[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Alice Munro[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Alice Munro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian short story writer and Nobel laureate Alice Munro (pictured) dies at age 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Awards and honours are largely unsourced. Mooonswimmer 16:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have went through and cited most of them. I think the dates on one or two of them are wrong, and some sources contradict each other, but overall in much better shape. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks in good shape. I'll be bold to even suggest blurb support given how she "revolutionized" short stories and most of her obituaries describe her as a pioneer of short storytelling. I know she was in her 90s, but it appears she was at the top of field in terms of storytelling/short storytelling. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article looks good. Support blurb due to her Nobel Prize and significance as a short story writer, especially an Anglophone writer. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Simply being a Nobel winner is not sufficient for a blurb. There should be a significant amount of discussion on the article to demonstrate they were considered a great figure in their field. — Masem (t) 21:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @Masem: Currently working on a legacy section that ideally would show how her works impacted the short story form. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      There is perhaps some parts under the Writing header that could be moved under the new Legacy section like the comparison to Chekhov. Masem (t) 04:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for the note. Did just that. I'll try expanding her legacy/career sections some more, but I think the writing section covers parts where the career section doesn't. I'd like the idea to make the writing section a subsection of her career section, but not sure if it's the right move. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb We're not blurbing every Nobel prize winner. There's around, 10 per year? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chaotic Enby: From my perspective at least, I'm supporting a blurb not because she won a Nobel prize, but because of her impact in the short story writing field. She has been widely described as a master and influential figure in that field. Currently adding a legacy section to demonstrate this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    She has 105 wiki pages, that is more than other Nobel laureates. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, but on quality For someone who is being suggested as a blurb, I'd expect a far more in-depth article than this - it's less than 2000 words of prose. That's not to deprecate the work that people have done on it today - that was great - but it's simply too thin. Her "Career" section is ridiculously short and writes off entire decades in a sentence. For example From the 1980s to 2012, Munro published a short-story collection at least once every four years. First versions of Munro's stories have appeared in journals such as The Atlantic Monthly, Grand Street, Harper's Magazine, Mademoiselle, The New Yorker, Narrative Magazine, and The Paris Review. Her collections have been translated into 13 languages That's it for 30 years? Black Kite (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite: I'll expand her career section, but (from what I think) the areas that aren't covered in the career section are covered in the writing section, hence me mulling making the writing section a subsection of the career section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Black Kite. Why is this now a blurb nom? Because she's a Nobel laureate? Are we going to have blurb discussions for every Nobel laureate? We shouldn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, my rationale for a blurb is not that she's a nobel winner, it's that (based on obits/commentary about her works/justifications for awards) describe her as a pioneer in short story telling with her works leveling her to top of her field in terms of a writer. That's why I support this nom being a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Top of her field, winner of numerous top prizes and honors (not just the Nobel), an iconic female writer… and now that TDKR Chicago has laudably expanded the legacy section, I get a much better idea of her importance and in ITN terms, “blurb-worthiness.” The ITN opposes leave me utterly unconvinced, and I’m with TDKR’s rebuttal above. Every obit I have seen mentions her major impact on the short story form and her substantial influence therein, giving a female point of view at a time when it was not a common phenomenon as well as in many of her works a Canadian perspective. Inclusive, of international interest, and highly worthy of a front page Wikipedia blurb in the ITN feature. To those on the fence, I suggest reading an obit or two. The NYT one is good as is this onein The Guardian. Jusdafax (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, got every writing award that exists. Top of the field. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I'm usually hesitant about death blurbs for writers mostly due to the Nobel Prize hype, but Alice Munro was clearly a great and notable short-story writer with numerous notable awards won, yet definitely not at the level of Chekhov.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Blurbs are only for people of huge global significance like Thatcher or Mandela. Winning a Nobel prize is impressive, but there are far too many such to post them all when they pass away.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD Only Doesn't rise to the level of significance that warrants a blurb. Transformative in a somewhat niche field - short story writing, a subset of literature - but if everyone at this level of significance got a blurb, there would be a death blurb every few days. 1779Days (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb I think she was clearly an influential writer and is blurb-worthy considering she is the first person to be awarded Nobel Prize exclusively for their short stories. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Surely being a Noble laureate alone is not sufficient cause to justify a blurb given the criteria we have established. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 12:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @WaltCip: & @Amakuru:: My rationale (as stated in previous comments) for pushing for a blurb on this is not because she's a nobel winner. My rationale is because she is clearly an influential figure in her respective field, in this case the writing field of short stories. Her obits, as Jusdafax pointed out, highlight how much of a pioneer and "master" she was of short storytelling hence why I added the legacy section to reflect the impact she had. Recently we blurbed Peter Higgs, but from what I understood, we didn't blurb him because he was a nobel winner, but because he was at the top of his field. I felt that Higgs would've gotten blurbed with or without a nobel win, hence my reasoning behind Munro's nom. Sure it's a plus she got a nobel, but the impact her work had on the field of short storytelling would not have had a lesser impact has she not gotten the nobel. Take the time to read her legacy section and some obits like from the NYT, Guardian, BBC, CNN and you'll see why I'm nominating her. She has been regarded the top of her field and an influential writer at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think if you look back over the years, you'll see that being "top of the field" isn't really enough. Examples like Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn, you could argue those guys were leading in their field and well known, but they were not blurbed. Blurbs are really the exception not the rule for exceptional high-profile cases, the default is to post in RD.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So Munro shouldn't get blurbed because Douglas and Lynn didn't get blurbed? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Munro, Douglas and Lynn shouldn't and didn't get blurbed because being "top of the field" isn't really enough. That Douglas and Lynn weren't blurbed first is just a matter of having been born first. Outstanding careers all around, but as far as death goes, the only noteworthy thing between them are 299 years of earlier work. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted RD, discussion can continue Stephen 00:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD:Cyril Wecht[edit]

Article: Cyril Wecht (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American forensic pathologist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose various cn tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sushil Kumar Modi[edit]

Article: Sushil Kumar Modi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose positions held section needs sourcing and there are some paragraphs ending without a footnote. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article reads well and overall, it's adequately referenced. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lots of unreferenced material. Stephen 00:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Samm-Art Williams[edit]

Article: Samm-Art Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actor and playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:D5ED:1620:B68D:586C (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Birubala Rabha[edit]

Article: Birubala Rabha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ThePrint
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian Anti-witch hunting activist. Article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arthur Irving[edit]

Article: Arthur Irving (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian billionaire businessman who owned Irving Oil, a part of the family-owned conglomerate Irving Group of Companies. B3251 (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove Myanmar civil war from ongoing[edit]

Article: Myanmar civil war (2021–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Insufficient updates to the main article for ongoing. Last 50 edits go back to April, no significant updates for May. Stephen 01:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Timeline The timeline has an update for May so we should add that like the other wars. The NYT recently published a detailed briefing so it's still in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think one update for the month of May is sufficient, especially when compared to, let's say, the Ukraine war, which was multiple updates every single day. Support removal. DecafPotato (talk) 07:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just added two significant developments and so now May has three entries. It was easy. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mild support removal with regular review - The situation is rapidly changing, and I think there could be new developments in the future that make this notable again. But as of now, it's not being updated or covered enough to be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Checking news sites now gives me multiple such as AP, and Al Jazeera which both have articles out about the conflict in the last week. While I agree that this has gotten significantly less coverage then other wars it is not quite ready to pull. I think that the lack of news coverage is due to overshadowing and english audiences not having interest. The conflict is a bit confusing for major sources to run regular stories on. We need to wait to make a decicion, though I agree that there needs to be disscussion on removing it. Normalman101 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC) AP ALJ[reply]
Oppose article not getting update is a editing issue. Because otherwise the fighting is still very much going on. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if an event is ongoing, if no one is bothered to update our article, that is reason to remove from ongoing. — Masem (t) 20:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an article to remain listed on ongoing, it must be being actively updated. That there is still fighting occurring does not matter if the article is not receiving updates. Curbon7 (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. LiamKorda 17:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's still ongoing. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ongoing's become a pointless "what wars flared up in the last 1.5 years" ticker. Many wars around the world are still ongoing, the Myanmar civil war simply is not in the news enough to justify keeping it here. AryKun (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to the fact that the war is still very much ongoing and active Lukt64 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal - items listed at ongoing are supposed to illustrate near-daily levels of significant updates to match what should be near-daily levels of new news coverage. That's not happening here. Plus, with three other far more active conflicts, we don't need what was an inflammation of long-term tensions that since has died down to be kept at ongoing. --Masem (t) 00:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed. Although there is some opposition, oppose arguments did not take into account lack of sufficiently regular article updates to keep the article in the ongoing section. Can consider renomination if this changes in the future. SpencerT•C 05:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose close, even if not all "Oppose" arguments took into account the lack of update, there was still nothing close to a consensus for removal. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For context, the beginning of May alone has 4 daily entries in the timeline article, so discounting the arguments against removal with a "lack of sufficiently regular article updates" is ultimately subjective. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal The article is not receiving sufficient updates to remain on ongoing, indicating this has become just another episode of Myanmar's 80-year civil war. Curbon7 (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 12[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury[edit]

Article: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://tdpelmedia.com/noble-tragedy-unfolds-8th-marquess-of-ailesbury-plunges-to-his-death-in-london-accident-while-attending-to-pet/ , https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-model-ex-suffers-32810710
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British peer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have orange-tagged the article. Schwede66 18:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Johnstone[edit]

Article: Clive Johnstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/05/16/vice-admiral-sir-clive-johnstone-nato-hms-bulwark-beirut/ , https://www.everand.com/article/732513714/Tributes-Paid-To-Extraordinary-Royal-British-Legion-President
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British Royal Navy Vice Admiral. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Sanborn[edit]

Article: David Sanborn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Amwrican saxophonist. Orange tag. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose orange tag: discography, filmography, Broadcasting and Recordings sections are all unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after cleanup. Influential saxophonist in the jazz fusion era. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dekema, it’s irrelevant whether someone was influential. The only relevant issue for a recent death post is whether the article is up to standard. This one is poorly referenced; an orange tag is a showstopper. Schwede66 19:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: A. J. Smith[edit]

Article: A. J. Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NFL executive, needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready two cn tags needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, I updated, re-arranged, and found some sources. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is good enough now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 500 people died due to floods in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people.
Alternative blurb II: Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people, bringing the total death toll to floods from this season to almost 500.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, BBC, VOA, CNN
Credits:
Ainty Painty (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article should be expanded a bit but otherwise it looks okay. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but needs to be expanded. LiamKorda 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale. The floods began in March. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks decent enough with continued coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mostly Stale Some death and bodycounting continues, but the lion's share was in March and April; maybe Ongoing works? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ongoing would imply regular blurb-worthy updates, which doesn't appear to be the case here. Disagree with that possibility. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On second look, you're right. I saw May news in the reflist, but not in the body. I choose Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Misleading, appears like 500 people died suddenly while this wasn't the case, this happened during a period of two months. Also, the current merge discussion is still open, and already was last time this was discussed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. Stale. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The floods in Baghlan, Afghanistan itself with 300 deaths warrants a post ITN. They are definitely not stale, and the article mentions it, thus making the article not stale. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought I saw May in the body. On third look, you're right. But it's unclear (to me) from reading the sources if these are new deaths or part of a newly updated bodycount. If they're new, you might have a case. But if they've just been Taliban-tallied now, not so much. It'd be weird if ~60% of everyone who's died since March 6 died on Friday. Weirder things happen, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For clarity in those following along at home, the part about what happened in May looks different now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On 11 May, the Afghan World Food Program office said the floods killed 330 people. Does "On 11 May" refer to the date of the report only (with the deaths being cumulative), or also to the date of the 330 deaths? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the report date, for Afghanistan only (after looking at the sources three times to make sure, anyway). If I were trying to say the floods killed 330 people on 11 May, I'd write it in that order. I can see how it's potentially ambiguous wherever it goes, though; rewrite if you know a clearer way. I'm pretty sure the infobox and lead are overcounting the total somehow, too. But that's just another problem. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's also another UN department telling AFP on May 11 that over 200 died on May 10. That complicates things. The Taliban, in the same news article, announced 62 died that same day (Friday flash flood and Friday report), but that's not necessarily a contradiction, because Saturday (May 11) came later. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As of Saturday (May 11/11 May), the interior ministry counted deaths from the Friday flood in Baghlan province alone at 131 and the UN 218. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Altblurbed to focus on the Baghlan part. As of now, I neither support nor oppose this angle. The article doesn't say enough about it, yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trying alt2 here to include the death count to date. --Masem (t) 22:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I changed your "over" to "almost" (330 was mistaken for 430 in an earlier article version). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 2 the altblurb addresses the above concerns about the clarity of the death toll. FlipandFlopped 02:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Stale item, as mentioned above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not stale per article dates, needs to be expanded as mentioned above, but adaquately sourced and still ongoing Normalman101 (talk) 18:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References[edit]

Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax [http://example.com] rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process.

For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents: