Wikipedia : In the news/Candidates/July 2023

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Support in principle, but currently oppose on quality / update grounds: It's in the news, but the article linked is a general one about weather records, and does not cover the current heat records, except as date entries in tables. Articles should have up-to-date relevant prose to be featured ITN, in my view. Sandstein 08:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. The current blurb seems to be vague in that regard, I suspect we're talking about global average temperature, but it currently redirects to Global temperature record. Perhaps either a standalone article or a section inside existing one should be created. Brandmeister^talk 10:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - in le news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, kind of surprised there is no ongoing story climate change, as it creates a new content for Wikipedia every single week :) Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Climate change is far too broad to be ongoing. No real start or end date, very loose definitions as to what constitutes it. Better to just leave it to the occasional blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anthropogenic effects leading to permanent changes in the climate.

And yes, sometimes it's harder to tell, but "record amount of hurricanes" or "warmest XYZ" is almost certainly climate change and would be encyclopedic. (but repetitive 🙂) Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still too broad for ITN. It would practically be ongoing for the next 100 years. Not really what ITN is for. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, it's too broad and common knowledge to be news, but i also still require sources to say it exists and is a cause for obvious things. Fun contradiction. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know some don't believe it exists, but I don't get what we're supposed to do about that. ITN isn't for environmental PSAs exactly.

The reality is that it's too broad, there's nothing contradictory about that. It's so long-term it's comparable to putting the War on terror on ongoing between 2001 and 2021 since it was a regular recurring item. It was just too broad of an event.

It doesn't help that the notability of most climate-related blurbs comes from the impact of these climate events on human civilisation, rather than being linked to climate change itself.

I can see where you're coming from, but even if we were to put it on ongoing, it still wouldn't make sense as climate-related stories are very rarely brought up. Ongoing requires a very regular stream of updates to its target article. In regards to protests or wars, we usually need very regular day-to-day updates on the article and recent developments.

For example, we took off the Israeli judicial reform protests since, while there still are lots of protests in Israel, there are not enough regular updates to warrant it being still 'Ongoing'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. However agree with Sandstein that we should improve the target article. — Czello ^(music) 09:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support once target article is suitable. Whatever happened to (or why can't we use) "Global Warming"? CoatCheck (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Global warming should be put into context in the blurb. Everyone knows it as a standalone term which is not news anymore. Brandmeister^talk 14:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this but agree that we need a better target article. I don't think any RS denies this is connected to global warming do that may make sense. --Masem (t) 14:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support this certainly seems to be ITN-worthy due to the fact that it's not everyday (hopefully) that a new "Hottest day, week, and month ever" comes to be, I would oppose Global Warming as ongoing, because it's too broad, and has been going on for a long time. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle However unless I’m missing something, neither of the articles have this in them. Also there needs to be a citation for the causal links mentioned in the blurb. 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:2976:4C03:A0E4:E7F5 (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above, but article needs improvement. Nascar9919 (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, Oppose on quality Not a frequent occurrence, but as stated above, the articles need updating. The Kip (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Extremely warm temperatures all over the northern hemisphere, and the North Atlantic. Even for the global warming increases, this year has been extreme and a (hopefully) an outlier. Post when article is improved. Nfitz (talk) 21:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Hardly opposing on notability, but I have to agree that neither the current blurb nor the target article are sufficient at this time. The former can be rectified, perhaps, but it may be hard to find a sufficient article for this nom, barring the creation of a particular one for these records. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability, oppose quality Lots and lots of orange tags that need to be addressed. No doubt that this is notable for ITN though. TwistedAxe [contact] 22:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. It's unclear what article is supposed to be the target here. The Articles section of the nomination says Weather of 2023, but this is not linked to in the blurb (makes sense, as it's the one in the worst shape at the moment). List of weather records, Global warming, and El Niño are in good shape, but lack prose about the story. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
El Nino wouldn't be good as this (even if the yearly version) because this has global effects and El Nino is generally North and South America only (eg the Pacific Ocean) Masem (t) 00:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if my comment was unclear, I only mentioned the state of the El Niño article because the proposed blurb links to it; I was not proposing to make that the target. Vanilla Wizard 💙 01:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on grounds of quality. It's nclear which article(s) should be targeted, and there are many orange tags that need fixing. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 05:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Candidate articles

As noted from the outset, the challenge here is finding the best target article. So far, the only article I've found with an update is Weather of 2023. Possible candidates include:

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Global warming – redirects to climate change
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We should figure this out because we're only halfway through the year and there's more to come. I had hoped that some weather specialist editor(s) might help but I suppose they are mostly out enjoying the warm weather. :)

In the meantime, the article that's getting most attention from our readership is El Niño. See stats.

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can't get on board with any of these. Most of them are too broad to reasonably list these record, and as PC notes below, lists probably aren't great targets either. The obvious issue with most of these is that, should these record be broken again, the current record will likely be removed from the article, which is not really an issue for the life of the item while it is at ITN, but is a concern worth noting as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on quality. A list "article" is not really informative for such news.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — Hottest on record so far. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why even post records at all then? What a silly rationale. An unprecedented breaking of a historical temperature record and you just blow it off like it's a hot-dog eating record. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. It's not unprecedented for late July to top early July, or for mid-August to be "a real scorcher" (relatively). Anyway, Strong Neutral. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq - I see someone just got back from a vacation to Switzerland! Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see you when this is nominated next year. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:16, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle - not inherently opposed to posting the list, but I can't find where it mentions global temperatures. Seems to do a lot of talking about hottest/coldest per continent, and not much else. A bolded link to climate change (an FA) could work if it's updated to include this information, but that might be outside its scope. Anarchyte (talk) 07:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, in early August As uploader of File:07 July - Percent of global area at temperature records - Global warming - NOAA.svg (shown above by nominator), I think we should wait until July 2023 data becomes available from NOAA in a few weeks, when I will update the chart to show July 2023 data. It's July 2023 that is breaking records more than any month to date. Note related ITN candidates: "Ongoing: 2023 heatwaves" and "2023 European heat waves". On principle, I'd prefer Climate change as a destination article, though List of weather records, with this image when updated, is more specific for ITN purposes. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Vilnius summit

Wait Until the summit has actually occurred. Currently, the article has nothing detailing what is going on, because it isn't going on. (Side note: the article you put at the top of the ITN candidate template is always bolded.) Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Our past approach to any such world leader meeting is to see if there are any significant achievements made by the end of the event and then we'll post that. It should be clear that either Ukraine or Sweden joining NATO is very much ITN-quality material, but we need a definitive on that. Masem (t) 01:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem, @Fakescientist8000 Ok, understood :) I'm new to this whole ITN thing, and I do certainly agree that Ukraine or Sweden joining NATO would be certainly ITN-worthy. In the meantime, I will continue editing and updating the article. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 01:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unless something comes out of it. Banedon (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Until after the summit, if anything were to come out of it. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support more in the news and influiental than some of the events currently in ITN.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose These summits are exactly the kind of things that we don't and should never post. If they agreed to admit Sweden in NATO, we can post it when the country actually joins.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support -- influential and important, and has the potential to finally see Sweden join NATO. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose have we ever posted a local military alliance summit before? I dont see why we should start now. Template:Rpa Daikido (talk) 07:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- You should probably strike this comment, accusing users here of canvassing is a direct violation of WP:AGF. Edit: Signing my comment and directly requesting (rather than just suggesting) that you remove your use of an ableist slur at the end of your comment. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:4048:BA85:DEB4:B3D8 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  I removed it. Template:U, you need to improve your conduct at ITN/C. Many of your !votes have been unnecessarily in violation of WP:NOTFORUM. Please don't resort to slurs or personal attacks. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Totally agree with Kiril Simeonovski. I've been watching this space for when the inevitable nom would come, and this is not on the ITN level. I'll be back to support a blurb when we Sweden actually joins NATO. cart-Talk 07:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's in the news and the article is looking good for a new article with 50 editors, 44 citations and lots of content. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's important world news, the article is decent, and there's little else to post currently. Bolsonaro, France, etc. are already yesterday's news. Sandstein 08:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't make exceptions to what we normally don't post just because the current period in news is slow or stale. That's a slippery slope for several other major exceptions. Masem (t) 12:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until there's a significant result (Sweden/Ukraine joining). Perhaps consider removing some of the older stuff from the box? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all talk, but nothing changes as a result. Also since Russia's invasion such meetings are WP:ROUTINE. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Covered by ongoing, literally just a meeting of global leaders, like G7. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose routine and meeting is not noteworthy, only potential conclusions would be noteworthy. Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Plenty of media coverage [21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31]. The summit is already significant for opening a way for Sweden to become a NATO member. It is also significant as unprecedented NATO support for Ukraine is being announced. Mindaur (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
3, 7, 8, 10, 13 fail verification, they link to a Ukraine war news feed. it's not a link to an article about the summit.

6, 9, 11, 12 fails relevance, the news story is Turkey becoming approving of Sweden or something else adjacent, not the summit, the summit is more of an afterthought. Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not argued by how many references there are. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - All of the coverage. None of the outcomes/deliverables. CoatCheck (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, it's just a meeting. Post sweden/ukraine when it joins NATO (a la finland, or a la croatia joining EU). QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose barring something significant happening, such as Sweden or Ukraine being formally admitted. Otherwise, it's just a meeting, like the G7 summit we decided not to post. The Kip (talk) 20:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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July 10

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(Posted) RD: Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky

Support - article seems good enough to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 20:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good, appears to be well-cited and sufficiently holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 21:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: JoAnn Watson

Comment Date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede 66 09:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a footnote next to the DoB now. -- PFHLai (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The intro is where one would expect career highlights or a summary of one's life. The intro in this wikibio does not seem to match the materials in the main prose, which needs a paragraph or so about the subject being a media personality and a professor as stated in the intro. --PFHLai (talk) 14:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Al Giordano

Posted – Schwede 66 17:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Reopened) Ongoing: 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

Conditional oppose - Article hasn't been updated in 10 days. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated it today. Just check the edit history. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I mean in terms of recent protests. It has been now, but at the time of writing my comment the last update on the protests was on July 1st. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, isn't it still July 10th? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now Article is lacking the regular/daily updates necessary for an ongoing item. There's nothing on any protests since the 1st of the month. The Kip (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - not getting updates and no longer all that widely covered. nableezy - 19:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not widely covered, and has not been updated recently. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 00:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The opposes per "not updated" and "per above" are invalid as the article is getting updated. I am contesting the close but I do not know how.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have reopened the discussion as I have updated the article before and after the nomination. The article also received regular major (more than a 500 bytes) updates in the month of July here, here, here, here, by different editors in the month July. Some even specifically mentioning protests in July. So the votes with arguments like the article has not been updated in 10 days or there is nothing since the 1 of this month and the per above arguments I don't see as valid points to make.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's still absolutely nothing on anything that happened in between the 1st and 11th, and you've failed to demonstrate it's still getting wide coverage. Your opinion of/disagreement with "invalid points" is not grounds to re-open the discussion. As such, this should be re-closed. The Kip (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Kip Check the edit from the 1 July which treats protests of the 1st of July with the edit summary add 1 July events. 130'000 people...then the edit from the 6th of July on protests of the 5th of July. Then the one from the 11 July for the protests of the 11 July. All of them not my updates, with mine it would be way more. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article is poorly structured as that last section seems to be a chronological order of protests ... which are already discussed in the timeline of the protests? There needs to be a lot of improvement in the article to consider this, particularly if the most current events elevate it to ongoing when really the big issue started around January? Masem (t) 00:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that later sections need to be reworked. I've removed some dubiously notable sentences from the article and will do another round soon. Frankly, i weak support the inclusion of the protests in the 'ongoing' section in light of recent events. If the issue's a lack of updates, i hope someone steps up to fix that Totalstgamer (talk) 10:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I can understand that the frequnecy of updates here is somewhat borderline, but it's very clear the significance and recency of these protests. I personally see the updates that have been made recently as sufficient for posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose for now. Appears to have been only two events in the past 2 weeks, which are only covered by two small updates. Also, article has major quality issues, mostly of the usual WP:PROSELINE problems that plague these kinds of articles; the lazy "On XX Date..." writing needs to be fixed and put in a more natural narrative flow. --Jayron 32 14:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mirziyoyev remains president of Uzbekistan

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Comment I don't think we should be attempting to WP:RGW by changing the standard election blurb to reflect a sham election. It's an election either way, and I'm not even sure we have prior consensus to have blurbs be the defining line between real vs. fraud elections. Seems like a WP:NPOV issue, too. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quality wise, the article needs quite a bit of work in the length department. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb that doesn't violate WP:RGW or WP:NPOV. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional oppose - Article remains dodgy. Also, the fact that this election was essentially a sham brings down notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm not sure what's significant about a dictator staying in power, in an authoritarian one-party nation. Nfitz (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this is about the 2023 Uzbek presidential election, this should be reflected in the blurb language. Still ITN/R even if it's a sham election (we post them for Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc). Blurb shouldn't be RGW. I'd say I support on notability as it's still a general "election", but that's what ITN/R is for. It's definitely not ready on quality, though. Counted 8 sentences in the article across 3 sections. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I am not sure if some dictator whom we all knew would win won, see, the DPRK re-elects Kim Jong-Un every five year, did we post about it ever? no, and about Putin being re-elected in 2020? also no, and so on, and so on. Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We actually did post Putin's re-"election" (it was in 2018). Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my bad, but you get the point.Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - we actually have precedent of WP:IAR not posing sham elections like this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rockstone35 such as..? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 23:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can dig it up, it was a while ago. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Found it. We did post it, but we didn't imply it was an election. Turkmenistan's election of 2022. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ping Template:Ping The Cuban parliamentary election in March wasn’t posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I know no one else seems to agree, but this IS an election, sham or not. The readers can decide of they care or not about this fact. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, at least now I do. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt3, national elections are treated as ITN/R, free or no This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for quality, no prose, no expansion since days. If concerns are addressed, I'd support alt2. It is ITNR but I also understand the concern of Rockstone. So alt2 is a possibility to raise awareness on environment the elections were held in. If this alt2 goes against the rules, I support alt3.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

there is also an unsourced paragraph, no info on presidential campaigns...Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm more concerned that the article is in extremely poor shape with absolutely no information on the results and the allegations that the election wasn't free and fair.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's technically an election, but it's not in the news, because nobody doubted the outcome and therefore no major media write about it. Sandstein 08:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IAR Oppose Rare for me, but it was a sham election and is receiving little international coverage. The Kip (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality The article doesn’t make it clear that this was a sham election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The election article barely has any prose. --Jayron 32 14:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose—The ballot boxes might as well have had paper shredders in them. Kurtis ^(talk) 18:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 9

(Posted) RD: Mel Wakabayashi

Oppose for now the article is generally well cited, but there are way too many CN tags for the article to be posted ❤HistoryTheorist❤
Support looks better now ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 16:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I fixed up the CN tags, rest of the article appears fine. Curbon7 (talk) 20:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would have posted this if it hadn't been for an unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 09:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have been looking for the past two days. The best I could come up with are hockeydb and statscrew, and I am not sure if they are RS enough. Hope this helps. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U Template:U, I was also unable to locate his date of birth from newspapers.com. Luckily the IIHF source states that he was born in 1943, so we at least have the year cited. I've adjusted the article a bit to account for this. Curbon7 (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 19:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Benno C. Schmidt Jr.

Weak support Good length, and good sourcing besides the Woody Allen statements and one uncited statement in the Other professional and civic service subsection. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:28, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready I've placed three citation needed tags. Schwede 66 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One {cn} tag remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 06:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Final cn resolved. Anarchyte (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alain Besançon

Oppose Article is far too stubby for ITNRD standards, and the Publications section (which is the majority of the article) is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality. It's still a stub.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The French wikibio may be a source of materials to expand the English wikibio. The German wikibio may be a source of ISBN to add to the list of publications in the English wikibio. Not much time (eligibility) remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 06:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lee Hedges

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Support looks good to me, it's pretty well-cited ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support some paragraphs could use more citations mid-paragraph rather than just one at the end of a bulk of text / several sentences? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality is good in both the citation and length departments. No reason this should be held up; marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted'. However, I'm not as convinced by the sourcing as others may be. I echo Abcmaxx's concern, but with a quick spotcheck of a few sources the article appears fine for RD. Anarchyte (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Luis Suárez

Template:ITN candidate Suppport article is fairly sourced now. *Oppose for now. Ballon d'or sounds good but is unsourced. Much more in the article as well. Article needs quite some work.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle I agree, and I'll see what I can do to bring its quality up in the next few days. Oltrepier (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as there are quite a few statements and items listed in Honours that lack citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Paradise Chronicle @Fakescientist8000 It was quite a challenge, but I think I've managed to get the whole "Honours" section covered now.

I'll try to work on the career section now, since it's still pretty skeletal. Also, should I actually cut one or two photos from the article, just to clean it up? Oltrepier (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oltrepier Excellent job in the Honours section. Now, do you think you could get the one remaining CN tag? If you can do that, consider my !vote a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fakescientist8000 I am not sure if it works, but I've stricken my oppose when I changed to support. Now its 4 support to 1 oppose while your oppose is the only one. Maybe striking the vote after one moved sides, helps the vote counting script to keep the tally right.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Paradise Chronicle, good idea! I've done exactly that just now. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I just wanted to say that I'm hoping to work on the article myself in the next few days, and I've also called for support at WP:FOOTBALL. Oltrepier (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (pt. 2): following the advice of @Fakescientist8000, I should have helped fill in all of the major citation gaps. I don't know if this is enough for ITN standard, though... Oltrepier (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good work there. This is ready, I think. Black Kite (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Much better on citations, but some parts feel like cite overkill. Still feels like in needs refinement, but it's certainly good enough for ITN deaths. Govvy (talk) 15:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy It definitely is in need of refinement, lol...

I'm hoping to help improve it in the next few days/weeks! Oltrepier (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sufficient for ITN but obviously as a bio could do with many more improvements. Kingsif (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 8

(Posted) RD: Bill Shipp

Support Article has enough sourcing + length in order to pass ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Per above, article is ready for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fixed a few missing periods. Article looks ok to post, will mark this as ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 06:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: K. Ravindranathan Nair

Weak oppose Article has some sourcing issues, although those should be easily fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose but oppose until the sourcing issue is solved. Several of the sources failed verification by me and the filmography should be sourced as well. But I believe there is enough to be found on him easily.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Still significant sourcing issues, with several Template:Tl tags. Curbon7 (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Adrian Tan

Support - article seems to meet requirements. Interesting coincidence to have 2 Singaporean lawyers with the same last name on the same day. - Indefensible (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems fine.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 00:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tan Yock Lin

Oppose Article has less than 320 words. Too stubby. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 00:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Still too stubby, even if the article is now technically start class. Schwede 66 05:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Is it still too stubby? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 17:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Özkan Uğur

Template:Atop Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate

Oppose Both the Filmography and Discography sections need citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From my understanding of MOS:FILMOGRAPHY (and the linked WikiProject), sourcing of the filmography section is actually not needed unless it's difficult to confirm, though I've still added sources. WikiProject Discographies says general references are sufficient. ~Styyx^Talk? 17:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A general reference that supports all the roles in the table is fine, but without that, we do expect each entry to be sourced. Masem (t) 17:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Discography section is unsourced. Schwede 66 04:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Russian invasion of Ukraine

Strong oppose Absolutely not. Still big updates happening, the war is still having a worldwide impact, and there is no signs of it ever slowing down. Just to give another perspective, we had COVID in ongoing for like two or three years before we removed it. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I get the idea, but its still relevant. I still see it the news, but the big updates may just be "smaller" than say a year ago. Maybe a discussion could be held though that maybe the article should be moved to the more relevant counteroffensive though.

TheCorriynial (talk) 12:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, but change the name - I agree that the war has slowed down, but it has continuously been front-page news for the last year-and-a-half. Go to the main page of any news outlet, I guarantee there's at least one article about the conflict at the top. Removing the COVID-19 Pandemic from ongoing was due to the fact that it was hardly being covered by the news in any major way, and it was becoming more clear by the day that COVID-19 would become endemic, similar to the Flu.

There is no indication that the same will happen with the Russo-Ukrainian War. It has only escalated since the initial invasion, from the missile strikes in Poland, to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis, to the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka Dam, to the Wagner Rebellion. It is clear that the war is still going on and in increased severity.

Now, I do agree that the item 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' is becoming a little outdated now, and I think changing the ongoing title to 'Russo-Ukrainian War' would be best, though this change will probably need to be reflected in the target articles. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change name to Russo-Ukrainian War Braganza (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Workshop: What should the target article in ongoing be?

Considering that there is initially a unanimous opposition to removal but some support for changing the target article, it stands to reason to discuss this in more detail. Potential alternative target articles include:

Alt1: Ukrainian counteroffensive
Alt2: Russo-Ukrainian War
Alt3: Russian invasion of Ukraine (8 June 2023 - present)

Feel free to nominate more alternatives. Your opinions are welcome.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the main article should be removed altogether. While nearly all now are aware of the main invasion article, it may still provide general context. We can have those specific trends in parentheses (e.g. amid recent announcement on cluster munitions), like Russian invasion of Ukraine (Ukrainian counteroffensive). There was no such dramatic and protracted precedent in Ongoing before, so showing major spinoffs in parentheses may be warranted. Brandmeister^talk 14:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Im actually kinda in this camp, since they suggested this, and it could possibly become a standard that could be used for more things down the road. although I'd probably put either the Ukrainian counteroffensive or the timeline. TheCorriynial (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either this or Alt 3 seems best. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Alt3. And I decidedly feel that the article title must reflect the criminal and malicious role of russia. Yes, not capitalised. --Ouro (blah blah) 14:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should keep it as 'Russian Invasion of Ukraine' when the conflict has long transformed past that phase just because we want to make some moral point about the war. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT2 - the invasion proper isn’t really ongoing anymore, as Russia’s failed to take substantial territory in recent times and it’s more of an occupation now. The Kip (talk) 16:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT2 Braganza (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion back in April by User:Interstellarity to add a timeline to the ongoing entry (at that time, it was Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (12 November 2022 – present), obviously now renamed). The proposal failed to garner consensus, though a key thing to note is that proposal called for it to be formatted as "Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline)", whereas this is straight up swapping the main article with the timeline.

As for my vote, per ranked choice !voting,

Alt3: reiterating what I stated in the aforementioned discussion in April, the primary article doesn't really go into details about the actual offensives. If prose is more important, than...
Alt2: which has prose, but focuses on a specific aspect of the war instead of the broader theme.
Alt1: not receiving daily updates.

— Knightoftheswords 16:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT2 It's important to always cover the more broader picture when discussing about something in Ongoing. Alt1 would only cover a small portion of the war, alt3 same thing but using the term "invasion" which really isn't suitable anymore considering it's getting more and more stale on the battlefield. Alt2 sums it up perfectly in my opinion, because it is a war that has been going on for over a year now and would also cover the other alts such as the Ukrainian counteroffensive aswell as the actual "invasion" itself. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose change The existing article – Russian invasion of Ukraine – is clearly dominant with our readership, having far more readers and the only candidate in the Top 100 for June. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, maybe that article should be renamed to 'Russo-Ukrainian War (2022 - Present)' or something along those lines. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was indeed once moved to that title (minus [pun intended] the shorter hyphen) following this discussion, before being moved to the current title following this RM. — Knightoftheswords 23:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And what of it? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. To quote Template:User in the discussion I linked in my !vote, when he was going on about his experience reading the mother article, Template:Tq — Knightoftheswords 23:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How many times must we tell you that readership stats genuinely do not matter here? The Kip (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not clear what matters here as the alternatives presented are wildly different. ALT1 is forward-looking, ALT2 is a broad historical perspective and ALT3 is a proseline ticker. The readership stats show which of these views is making the most impact and the existing link is clearly dominant. To present more varied perspectives, we would need a navigational template with multiple links as we did for COVID. If we're just presenting one link then it should be the big one that most people are looking for. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT1 or ALT2, but a preference for ALT2 - Per above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why people prefer ALT3, as it is pretty much the WP:COMMONNAME at this point, but I do think the nature of the conflict has shifted from the initial Russian invasion of the country to a prolonged occupation grinding down to trench warfare. It'd be equivalent to terming the entire Western Front of WW1 as the 'German invasion of France'.

If I was to cast ranked choice votes like Knight above, it'd be:

Alt2
Alt3
Alt1

PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 properly describes the overall event occurring. The invasion was always a piece of the larger puzzle, and to be honest it's been the target for way too long. Russia and Ukraine have been at war for over a decade, but I feel like people seem to believe the war only started with the invasion. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The war started in 2014, but it was added to “Ongoing” b/c of the invasion. I think that linking to the war would be overly broad. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So? The invasion is part of the larger war. If people want to look at more recent events they can navigate to them from there. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt2 basically describes what is currently happening, the war had stopped being an invasion since the recapturing of Kherson, and the Russo-Ukrainian War is basically what it has been since 2014, so I feel that "Russo-Ukrainian War" is basically the best title, for that the war has been ongoing for 9 years, and this phase of the war has been ongoing for over a year. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Russia is still occupying Ukraine, and has done since 2014. If Ukraine was to start defeating Russia on Russian territory such as Belgorod or Moscow then it would be a war in the traditional sense. At the moment Ukraine is merely repelling invaders from its territory. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Alt 2. The Russo-Ukrainian War has been going on since 2014. Changing the ongoing link to that would be further expanding the scope of the link to not focus on current events. Keeping the link as is or linking to a more-focused timeline sub-article is fine. It seems people are arguing for what the invasion article's name should be, which shouldn't be done at ITN but via a RM. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep current target – Regardless of its title, Russian invasion of Ukraine is the article covering the phase of the war from February 2022 to the present, including the recent counteroffensive and the Wagner rebellion. DecafPotato (talk) 06:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose alts. Recentism, the counteroffensive is not really breaking news and a timeline either. The current one is the most accurate in my opinion as the war really takes place in the Ukraine and not in Russia.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current article is the correct one. — Amakuru (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose proposed changes The current target article is the right one. If it aint broke, don't fix it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any changes. The current link is working just fine. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose any changes keeping the russian invasion of ukraine article is perfectly fine for me. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose any changes per above. I'd be fine with including some of the alts in parentheses, but the current target is the correct one. Davey2116 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any changes Everything that could be said has already been said above. Nothing wrong with this target article, but there are issues with using the broader 2014-present war article (too broad) or the current counteroffensive (too narrow). Vanilla Wizard 💙 05:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2023 July 7 Template:Cob

July 7

(Posted) RD: Violeta Hemsy de Gainza

Weak oppose as per a few uncited statements in the Early life and education section. Once that is cleared up, consider this !vote a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment wanted to nominate, but was not ready yet. She was mostly a music educator, for children and youth, improvisation, music therapy, president of a Latin American organisation. I need sleep first. There are facts commented out, - a native speaker to check what could be sourced would be of great help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am done with checking, throwing out some refs lost, adding others, reducing the hidden facts. More lead would be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it sounds like the article had needed some work. In its current state, I find it to be a well-rounded and interesting article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kara Puketapu

Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article has enough sourcing/length to meet ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Marking as ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I removed two phrases in need of a citation and added a citation to the last phrase with a citation needed tag. I expanded the article quite a bit, too and as for for me the article is in a fair shape now. Informative article on a prominent supporter of Maori culture in New Zealand.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dutch governmental crisis

Template:Atop Template:ITNcandidate

Oppose - We don't normally post internal political debates and governmental reshuffling like this. If this leads to a sustained political crisis in the Netherlands akin to the one experienced by the UK last year then maybe, but right now, no. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it is not a reshuffle, the coalition ended and Rutte wants to resign Braganza (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Resigning in this context does not mean he leaves btw) Dajasj (talk) 21:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He's still going to be Prime Minister of a caretaker government. While his resignation has bumped up the notability a little, I still think this is not notable for front page news.

Changing my vote to Wait until the next general election. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The event regards one of the main players within the European Union, and considering also for how long Rutte has been in charge and the surprising results of the latest local elections in the Netherlands this crisis could pave the way for huge changes in the country. Fm3dici97 (talk) 20:31, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The cabinet has now collapsed. New elections are in November of this year. The blurb should probably reflect this.^[6] Tuzi-bunbun (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on Significance. Not the typical sort of political crisis posted to ITN, but certainly seems significant enough nevertheless. Not too hot on the current blurb though. Think we could use a better phrasing then "[falls] apart", and it's worth noting that the article lacks prose and could use much more discussion of the break-down and background thereof. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support and adding alt blurb - major political crisis in the Netherlands that could have major ramifications for years to come. Mark Rutte has been in power for a decade, so a resignation defintale means something; we posted the UK version of this last year as Precarious pointed out so it would be systemic bias to not do the same for the Batavians. Oppose on quality however; the article is literally a table wall. — Knightoftheswords (Talk) 22:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have not really seen Batavian used in that sense beyond Jakarta. Gotitbro (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

added stub quality on most big issues they faced and {expand dutch}. Bart Terpstra (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until a new PM is appointed per WP:ITNR. Right now, it's just a routine political matter as PrecariousWorlds notes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- There are likely to be new elections, meaning Rutte and friends will remain in office until a new government is elected (this might take some time, so it's possible he'll be in post until Q2'24)This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  So that's when it would be appropriate to post. Not now. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 09:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose - wait until elections. The current government will remain in power as a caretaker government until new elections are held, so nothing has actually changed. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, the new elections aren't for several months. This isn't a Johnson/Truss or Truss/Sunak situation where the successor is fairly quick;y chosen. The biggest news is the elections have effectively been moved up two years. That is new itself independent of the actual results. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see your perspective and understand it, but I personally don't think that news alone merits a blurb, since we will post the results of the election anyway when the appropriate time comes. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on Boris/Truss precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll say it: it was a bad decision and should not be used as precedent, imo. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait — Per Presidentman. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, mention that this will lead to elections half November at the earliest^[7] as a consequence. Bart Terpstra (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So are we going to post the elections in November too now? Is that where this is going? Whenever a parliament disbands, we'll post both events? Seems excessive. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ If there is no immediate successor, then this this the time to post. General elections are ITNR, but a decade long PM reigning is also of note. Gotitbro (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the PM has already resigned once already (leading to the '21 elections) and nothing of note came of it. Seeing that this is not a unique event in recent Rutte/Dutch history, I am striking my outright support. Gotitbro (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
2021 was only a few months before the election, while the next elections where planned for 2025 Braganza (talk) 05:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's in the news now. The article could use some fleshing out but so it goes. Note that it contains a couple of graphs which are broken, saying "Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues." All graphs were disabled for "security reasons" and have been snafu for months now. "WMF teams are working quickly on a plan..." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Rutte is major figure, news on his stepping down should be posted. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Resignation of a government is notable and in the news now. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per above. BilledMammal (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - No doubt about it. Now is not the time to wait while the crisis is in the news and we are at its point of apogee in terms of newsworthiness. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Who makes the final call? and when? 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not on significance, but the fact that there is really no real coverage of the crisis in either of the given pages. I see one line on the coalition page, and only a brief mention of the issue in the Rutte's lede. This should be a significant discussion of the events leading to this to give context. --Masem (t) 14:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
this has been adressed. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until new elections are held and new PM is chosen - from my understanding Rutte will remain PM until then. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose misleading blurb wich is not the main reason for the collapse Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it was most likely (hearsay) timed to break up on this issue rather than one of the many other issues for optics. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb I per all above. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is unusual for us to post on ITN, but this seems significant enough to post due to the fact that the Netherlands is a major player in the EU, and the collapse of the ruling government seems like an pretty important event. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support with much more concise added alt3, also because we have little else that's new currently at ITN. Sandstein 20:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why not add "Elections will be held in the fall"? Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Normally I’d say wait for the election, but that’s three months away, so let’s go ahead with this. The Kip (talk) 02:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Neither target article Fourth Rutte cabinet or Mark Rutte discusses this news beyond two sentences. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until a new government is formed per ITNR. Governments come and go all the time. We blurb the transition. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
there wont be a new government, snap elections are the most likeliest possibility Braganza (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then we should post the results of the new elections as per normal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which is months from now while this is in the news right this moment. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yeah it's already two days ago Braganza (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support We will post the election as well since it'll be ITN/R, but this is in the news now. There is precedent for this: we posted the resignations of Theresa May and Boris Johnson separately from the installations of their successors (and those were party leadership elections). Davey2116 (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Again, as pointed out before -- there is nil but one sentence in the cabinet article and about three sentences in the lede of Rutte article which is nowhere near enough of a significant update for this, if this is really as significant as many of the support !votes say above. I expect a couple of paragraphs if not more to explain the background, the changes, the process of change, and any possible impacts on Danish and EU region this may have. --Masem (t) 01:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The general rule at ITN (conceding rare exceptions) is that we expect an event under nomination to rate its own article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You wish. The lead blurb for over a week now has been about a court ruling on Jair Bolsonaro. That event not only doesn't have a separate article, it doesn't even have a separate section in his article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, his biographical article dedicates a portion of the Post-presidency (2023–present) section to it. That's more than can be said about this proposed blurb as of right now. Vanilla Wizard 💙 07:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A separate article has never been the case for ITN. We expect a significant update, and while it would seem this type of event could warrant its own article, it is not required as long as we see paragraphs of content about this situation, if it is as severe and important as the !votes above suggest. The lack of any attempt to expand on this is worrisome. Masem (t) 12:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance, but ~~oppose~~ on quality until at least one of the target articles has at minimum one paragraph of sourced prose about the news story. If I were a reader clicking on a bolded link in a news blurb about a political crisis, I'd expect to be able to read more about said political crisis. If/when the target article is updated (or if/when a new target article about the political crisis is created), consider my opposition dropped. Vanilla Wizard 💙 05:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How's the current state of the article?

I'll try and expand apology for colonial past, energy and the AZC's tommorow. Bart Terpstra (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to those that updated the Fourth Rutte cabinet page. The "Becoming demissionary" section is sufficient. I support on both significance and quality now.

Comment. this morning he announced he won't be running again. source. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But he will remain as PM in a caretaker role until the elections are held, right? I just don't understand why we would post what is effectively the same story twice. This is like posting someone's election and then their inauguration. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it's a governmental crisis, it's not "normal". Bart Terpstra (talk) 15:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support its infuential news at the moment. Also, the Netherlands are known to be a stable political entity, so a shake up is news.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb after improvements Shadow4dark (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Per Rockstone. Just post the election result and the new PM and coalition government getting sworn in when they eventually take place. Until then, the current cabinet is still caretaker government. --StellarHalo (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added an Altblurb reflecting my prior comments regarding this as an ITN item in spite of prior precedent on regime change. Again, I believe the main news here is new elections being called, NOT as much the resignation due to Rutte's government continuing in a caretaker capacity. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting oppose. I live in the Netherlands, and this is nothing new. Every single one of the Rutte cabinets "resigned", only for them to return to power because Rutte "didn't actually resign". We could wait until the elections or if a cabinet forms again. 🌶️Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:19, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice hyperbolic reaction but Rutte II didn't resign ;) TheDutchViewer (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the cabinet members did, though 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱. Still kind of counts 🌶️Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 19:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have to concur. I also post-posting oppose. Wrong decision made. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Why does your profile say you're retired? Just curious 🌶️Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 19:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They changed the blurb Shadow4dark (talk) 10:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pull - So we posted a WP:CRYSTALBALL? Pirate of the High Seas (talk) 17:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Milan fire

Oppose Although this is tragic, sadly, accidents like this happen all the time, and the article is still a stub. Article will need to be first expanded, then we may talk about whether it is ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose yet again, while tragic, it is unlikely to be a enduring news topic. --Masem (t) 18:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support | Meets standards and has international news coverage. I will remind contributors that there is no MINDEATHS criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to insufficient importance (unless it's discovered that the fire was started deliberately) & the article not being good enough. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 18:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Wikipedia is no tabloid.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is tabloidy about this? Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tabloids focus on murders, deaths and local human rights violations. The event is sure tragic, but has no lasting coverage or influence on a wider area. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunately not notable enough to be covered in ITN. Whilst it is sad, this has no place in being in ITN because of the very little impact it's going to have on anything. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Namboothiri (artist)

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Support. Article appears in sufficient shape. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support No CN tags or orange tags, article seems to be in okay condition. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Bibliography section needs either citations or ISBNs. Ping me once done. Support Article looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:19, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fakescientist8000 I’ve added ISBNs to the bibliography, can you take a look again? Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support I’ve added ISBNs to the bibliography, article looks good enough now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 6

(Posted) RD: Graham Clark (tenor)

Support Appropriate depth of coverage, referenced. Spencer^T•C 20:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lots of prose and well referenced. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:35, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jeffrey Carlson

Support Article looks okay. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Article appears to be a little thin on prose. Perhaps not to the point of an "oppose", but it could still be fleshed out (especially given the "Career" section looks just like a traditional filmography in prose). DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Beverley Salmon

Oppose both the Community work and Career section have uncited statements. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One {cn} tag remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 22:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mutulu Shakur

Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Referencing issues are resolved. Adequate depth of coverage. Marking "ready". Spencer^T•C 18:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Essop Pahad

Oppose Article has a few uncited statements that need clearing up. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Iván Márquez

Wait sources, most prominently El Pais (one of the better newspapers in the Spanish/Latin american press says there is no confirmation yet. Others say so as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

El Tiempo is probably to most conclusive yet, with them claiming to have information abou his death but the Venezuelan Ministry not confirming it.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded the article quite a bit now. Added small sections on him being a teacher, peace nagotiations in 2012-2016 and an assassination attempt after he returned to the arms. But there is still the early years in the FARC, peace negotiations in Mexico and the ones with the Pastrana government around 2000s which are in a poor state. The political career ahead of the FARC might also add some phrases. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arnaldo Forlani

Oppose Article has major sourcing issues which need to be fixed ASAP. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've gotten to where I've gotten to. The article has the basics of Farloni's political career and all correctly sourced. Template:Ping can you please take a look? Thanks!. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. --2601:249:8E00:420:ACB3:7483:9BF:B6A3 (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good job on fixing up this article. G2G. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brendan Daly (politician)

Support citing concern of the nominator fixed Josey Wales^Parley 18:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As there are still a few unsourced statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I've fixed all the CN tags. is it good now? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Looks to be fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Attila Abonyi

Template:Atop Template:ITNcandidate

Oppose Article has a few uncited statements that need sourcing. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:24, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Meta launches Threads

Oppose and snow close — Product announcements aren't suitable for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I also don't feel like this is "of this caliber" wrt the acquisition of Twitter, considering that was a major platform with a massive dollar amount and, even at the time, was believed to have major implications for a critical platform. I also feel like posting it to ITN would feel... I don't know. I can't get with the idea that we should post it bc it's a reaction to Twitter's dumpster fire, and it feels all routine coverage and it's in vogue to cover every little thing going on related to Twitter right now. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 19:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't rush to it, but I will leisurely oppose at this point because it is way too early to tell that this will be a major competitor to Twitter, even given the massive boom within its first day of launch. I think the notability of this really is, as TenTonParasol, subordinated to the notability of Twitter's major meltdown. Otherwise it's just a new social media service. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose companies launch new services all the time, and that this is only getting attention due to the nonsense happening at Twitter doesn't make this any more special. Masem (t) 19:39, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's in the news as one would expect -- modern journalism seems to be largely driven by Twitter now. And the article is helpful in explaining that this new thing is essentially just an extension of Instagram, which helps me ignore it too. And it's a good trailer for the cage match which sounds much more interesting. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"And it's a good trailer for the cage match which sounds much more interesting" really hits the uncertainty I was expressing earlier. Posting this to ITN feels like, it's not literally promotional or RGW, but it feels inappropriate to me somehow to post it to ITN on the basis of highlighting the "stark differences" between how they're run or as a "trailer" for a different event entirely. An ITN bullet isn't for drumming up attention to other events and issues that aren't the thing at hand, however connected or adjacent those are. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 20:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to that good ol' CRYSTAL. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. We cant' assume this app will become a real Twitter competitor, and even then such news may not be fitting for ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose New app launches all the time... big deal. Noah^Talk 20:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Johannesburg gas leak

Oppose - this article is currently only 3 sentences long and does not provide any detailed information ~~~ Chanelle821 (talk) 07:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait but leaning oppose on significance. While tragic, it doesn't seem to be the type of event that yet will have any news-worthy tail, and may fail NEVENT. --Masem (t) 12:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is currently a stub, and this incident does not seen significant for ITN. Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - fails to meet the requisite significance. It looks like it passes NEVENT by the fact that multiple countries covered it, but I wouldn't hold out hope for any lasting effect. Anarchyte (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, Not a notable news for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- I'd support posting this if such a thing happened in the US, or in any other western nation. This is unusual and notable. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, Oppose on Quality -- the article is woefully short for the major catastrophe that it is. I don't know if the article is short because there is no coverage of it (which is an indication that reliable sources do not care about it) or because nobody has incorporated sources to the article. Rockphed (talk) 20:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Brăila Bridge

Oppose Not seeing the significance here. Noah^Talk 16:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Interesting, but an incremental record that lacks much significance. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any "xth largest" where x is not 1st is really not going to cut it for ITN. --Masem (t) 17:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Insignificant bridge built with a th, not an st. I'm not too sure this would even make the cut for DYK. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not significant enough for ITN, while this certainly is kind of interesting, this is the "Third" longest suspension bridge in Europe, if it was the single longest bridge in the world, then maybe it may be ITN-worthy, but this isn't even the longest in the world, it's not even the longest in Europe. This really seens too insignificant to post. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose So Romania opened a new suspension bridge. Kingsif (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Third largest bridge doesn't fit notability standards for ITN IMO. Schwinnspeed (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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July 5

RD: Rob Agerbeek

Weak oppose Citations need to be added in the Awards and Honours sections. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I added citations for the awards section. anything else? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Onegreatjoke I think the Discography could use some citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 22:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walkiria Terradura

Oppose Article has less than 320 words, which in my opinion, is too stubby. Support No major issues in the article with regards to sourcing, either. Looks good. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fakescientist8000 There are now 322 words. Long enough? Perhaps it's time for a re-review? -- PFHLai (talk) 12:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U Indeed. After further review, this article looks good enough for ITNRD. Further expansion is helpful but no longer necessary. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Thank you for the timely re-review, Fakescientist8000. --PFHLai (talk) 21:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacob Larsen (cricketer)

Oppose Article has less than 320 words, and is too stubby in my opinion. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 19:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anthony Gilbert (composer)

Gerda Arendt went out of their way to update the article to where i think it's good for the main page now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I referenced the works, in addition to his website. A discography would be nice, but needs to be written - I think it works as it it is. Today was a tenor, and tomorrow a pianist. We can't get them all to GA state ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks fairly good. There is one malformed citation for "Farings for sopranino recorder and piano (Forsyth) 15', 2000", but otherwise I see no issues. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I don't see problem with that ref, - was it fixed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it was! Looks good to go now. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:28, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Attention needed] RD: Keith Ball

Support This looks like it has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:55, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eva Maria Daniels

Oppose until expanded. Article has 3 sentences of prose as of right now, and needs to be seriously expanded. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 14:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This wikibio has 44 words. This is not acceptable, and must be expanded before we should even consider posting this. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, Per above. Alex-h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still a sub-stub. --PFHLai (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Writers Guild of America strike

Oppose - Article has practically received no updates. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ongoing - per List of productions impacted by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike. This ongoing strike is increasingly disruptive to television and movie production. Article appears updated to me. Jusdafax (talk) 23:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose first, article has had no major update recently, secondly, this affects only the entertainment industry of America, and barely has any affects on a worldwide scale, and thirdly, given that this had already been nominated on 2 May, this is not recent news. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While the strike is important here from an entertainment industry POV, its daily events...which are next to nil as negotiations continue...have little coverage and don't really change day to day. The end of the strike would be the proper ITN point. Masem (t) 23:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - My rationale from the previous nomination still holds. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:35, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The only daily updates are essentially to add actors to the supporters section. I've expressed skepticism over the appropriateness and encyclopedic value of that section, even. ~~And then totally forgot to follow-up on it.~~ ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 01:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Public broadcaster RTÉ involved in scandal

Conditional support - this would be the equivalent of the BBC, PBS/NPR, CBC, Australia's ABC, etc. being exposed for operating a massive slush fund. There is precedent in posting media stories on ITN, most recently the Dominion suit. Big news in Ireland; we shouldn't automatically discount this because it comes from a minor country per WP:ITNCDONT. However, much of the article is in list format. - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 18:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until some point of legal conclusion, such as a govt imposed fine or convictions. --Masem (t) 18:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, oppose on quality at the moment Orange tag under "Timeline" that needs to be addressed. If it wasn't for the orange tag, I'd suggest we wait per Masem. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think this rises to the level of ITN regardless of how major a country it happened in. As far as I can see the controversial payments total less than €1m over a number of years? Obviously big news in Ireland at the moment because of the latest revelations, but this story has been rumbling along for a good part of this year. Black Kite (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not seeing much coverage of this outside the UK and Ireland. I do see one article from France last month briefly discussing it, but that's stale. I disagree that we'd be posting this if it was from the CBC or NPR. For CBC, I don't recall anyone ever nominating the Ghomeshi scandal, for example. The use of the word 'fraud' in the blurb seems exaggerated. Nfitz (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ITN does not require widespread or international coverage; that helps with sourcing, but there can be major events outside the angelosphere that are not covered by BBC, NYTimes. etc. I can't tell at this time if this is such an event (would expect my point of conclusion would tell), though. Masem (t) 21:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a major news story in Ireland and could possibly be the end of the national broadcaster as currently established. The impact of this is far-reaching in terms of public trust in Ireland. Further significant developments are expected.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.116.51 (talk) 00:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like WP:CRYSTAL --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, my read of the badly written and poorly laid out article is that the RTÉ was overpaying its top talent, presumably to retain them. Any scandal is the result of the public nature of the funding, or more precisely, the lack thereof. This is a tempest in a teapot, with politicians trying to make the RTÉ look bad so that their decision to cut funding is ignored. Abductive (reasoning) 06:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, Wait for some legal result. Alex-h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Coco Lee

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2023 July 4 Template:Cob

Oppose Article's sourcing needs fixing, as there is an orange tag and many uncited statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Orange tag, additional sources needed. TwistedAxe [contact] 18:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Strikethrough
@Dr Fell "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 23:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional suppport, once the citation issues have been resolved. – robertsky (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support once some more refs added. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:8D80:D3C:4CB:CA7D (talk) 12:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now (as updater) as there was a rather large passage that was an exact match with Shenzhen Daily text in English, which suggests there may be other copyvio and close paraphrasing issues throughout. (Started to edit, but still needs proper fixing.) Also...there is a rather large discography/tours section that appears to have no citations at the moment (although the film/television section looks ok). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cielquiparle Assuming that this is the Shenzhen Daily article you're referring to, it is dated to 2017. However, looking through the article history, the content has been on Wikipedia since 2012. So I'd guess that the Shenzhen Daily article copied Wikipedia instead. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 00:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  @Lucie Person Awesome. Thanks for tracking that down. Discography section is still a problem though. Cielquiparle (talk) 00:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discography, Videography and Concert tours sections remain unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 21:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 4

RD: John Berylson

Oppose on quality the article is a stub and there are a ton of Citation Needed tags ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still too thin (only 266 words of prose) and in need of more sourcing. --PFHLai (talk) 05:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iran joins SCO

Oppose I mean... good for Iran I suppose, but I don't see how this has any long-lasting impact in the long term. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This could definitely have more significance than a lot of entries here, like if Sweden joins NATO. However article quality is not sufficient for posting on the main page. - Indefensible (talk) 00:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this has any more significance than a country abandoning its 200-year long neutrality policy and providing NATO with greater geographical leverage. That, unlike this, has more impact long-term due to possible future conflicts with Russia. TwistedAxe [contact] 01:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely could be argued either way. Sweden only has a population of 10 million whereas Iran has over 80 million though, so a lot more people are in the country involved. - Indefensible (talk) 01:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SCO is also not as notable and doesn't have the same geopolitical or economic value as NATO or the EU does. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Last SCO ascension, in 2017, was not posted. Not that this is a vote against, I would just like to provide this context. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality The orange tag, 7 cn tags and 3 bsn tags should be addressed before we consider posting. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 00:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance as this is the largest regional organisation in the world in terms of population, area and total GDP. With all resemblance to the European Union in its early stages, if we could post the accession of new EU member states, any objection to posting accession of new SCO members states on significance would be pure POV.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's amusing to read the SCO's previous condemnation of Iran's policies in the UN. And to note that their main military arm is called RATS ("I can't think of anything worse than a skull ... Um, a rat's..."). Anyway, the headlines that I'm seeing in the news for the SCO summit are more diverse: "At SCO meet, India refuses to back China’s BRI project", "SCO summit: Putin says sanctions making Russia stronger", "SCO Summit: Modi says ‘some countries’ are terror havens as Pakistan PM looks on". I don't get the impression that adding Iran to this club is going increase their "cooperation". It seems about as fraternal and collaborative as Wikipedia... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- It looks like they're welcoming any authoritarian Eurasian country with anti-Western sentiment to counter Western agenda. Iran is one of them, so they are about to "forget" past sour issues. Brandmeister^talk 15:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This is a nontrivial addition to an ecomomic and defense pact, and I feel that if we posted NATO membership, we ought to do the same for what appears to be a rival organization even if some of the similarities are merely nominal in nature. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- "This is a nontrivial addition to an ecomomic and defense pact" - SCO isn't a defense pact. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:4048:BA85:DEB4:B3D8 (talk) 06:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  How about that. In reading the article and its supporting references, I'm surprised to discover that "defense pact" and "defense organization" really are two different things. That'll teach me to learn to read! Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on signfiicance = I don't even see this on (the front page of) Al Jazeera news. More subjectively, I have never heard of the SCO so I'm not sure it's a very relevant geopolitical pact. I might subjectively put it below Five Eyes in importance, and I wouldn't even post a (hypothetical) news event for a country joining five eyes, for example. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to gauge the validity of this statement, as it's in the Warsaw Pact article and it's a statement with a CN tag: Template:Tq I had imagined SCO as being a parallel to the Warsaw Pact to effectively operate as a counter-NATO organization. Again, if we are posting news stories about membership in NATO (we nominated one particular such event like three or four times at different stages of joining), then why would we withhold similar news items regarding the SCO? Yes, the world's most well-known English-speaking economic superpower is not a member state, but China, India, and Russia are not small powers. To me, this seems like naked Eurocentrism, but perhaps I am missing something. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The SCO is not a military alliance. There is some military cooperation, but if one country gets invaded the others are not treaty-bound to assist. Therefore it is not the same as the Warsaw Pact or NATO. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, my first reaction to "I have never heard of the SCO" is "wow, you are ignorant". Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what the SCO does. I have never in my life seen it in a news article. It is not relevant, and being the succesor to the more relevant (for its time of course) CSTO does not impart notability. SCO is simply not notable to me at all. I searched for SCO and Shanghai Cooperation Organization on SCMP and Al Jazeera too and didn't get many results - seems like it's not relevant in the non-West either. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The SCO is certainly not the equivalent of NATO or the former Warsaw Pact. It includes Pakistan and India (can anyone really believe they would come to each other's military assistance?) as well as China and India (dito). It's not like the EU either (or ASEAN or Mercosur for that matter), where dozens of treaties have weaved together an economic trading block. In the case of the EU, it goes even further, with member states having handed over part of their sovereignty to the supranational organisation. The SCO is not much more than a talking shop, like so many others in the world, and this news is not particularly relevant. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would point out that the following: Template:Tq is not true at all, that is not how the EU works and you should probably strike this bit out. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, the ability to regulate your own currency is a part of a country's sovereignty, so he isn't wrong. Plus all the stuff about EU member states having to abide by the Treaty on European Union. AryKun (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I guess this is big news for Iran, but this certainly does not have any major impact on the world, and this does not seem significant enough to post. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The SCO has four nuclear powers and half the world's population. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes I understand its not NATO, nor will it ever likely become a rival organization to NATO in terms of scale or structure. Yes I also understand the significance of Sweden ascending to become a member of NATO after centuries of neutrality, and am not arguing that this news about IRAN is anywhere near as significant. There is no point in comparing the two. But there are many many discussions on this forum about ITN becoming more representative of global news (a noteworthy goal) Including news about an organization that covers 40% of the world's population and 1/3 of the global economy is certainly a step forward in that direction. Schwinnspeed (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

being more global should not be at the cost of giving false equivalency to nominations though. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Considering Iran's foreign policy over the last few decades, joining the SCO is really not a major or surprising development. --StellarHalo (talk) 20:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and significance the organisation is barely notable, and is basically a poorly made Russian knock-off of a trade block, same as that cheap Gucci handbag at your local flea market isn't the same as the handbag from the Gucci store in central Milan. Russia can only trade with a handful of authoritarian states so choosing Iran out of a choice of countries such as Eritrea, Cuba, or North Korea isn't very surprising or has any geopolitical impact. Article quality is also poor. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose So Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and China can now discuss... counterterrorism and cybersecurity. This is literally the most pointless Organization I’ve ever seen and has zero economic or military requirements to join; posting a new addition to SAARC or ASEAN would be more worthwhile. AryKun (talk) 03:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on the basis of diversity of coverage. Wikipedia is perfectly positioned to offer a broader perspective than the mainstream media that it's writers and reders consume normlly. It's also notable per above. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vince Tobin

Oppose Orange tag needs to be fixed. The sections "College coaching career", "Pre-NFL coaching" and "NFL coaching" are all completely uncited. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, most of the information in the article is unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Too much footnote-free prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 05:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Léon Gautier (soldier)

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Oppose for now, as the article quality needs expansion. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 02:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on Merit, Oppose on Quality - This is very notable for RD, and is definitely RD worthy, however, the article is still a stub and will need to be expanded a lot.Editor 5426387 (talk) 05:05, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality Hate to have to oppose this but the article is a stub. Very sad that the last French D-Day veteran has left us. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Way too short. If only someone can translate the French wikibio to add some meat to the English wikibio within the next few hours... --PFHLai (talk) 05:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I tried to expand it as best as I could. Could you let me know if it's long enough now? Thanks! ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 20:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
400+ is indeed long enough. Thanks for the expansion. --PFHLai (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 3

(Posted) RD: Yan Mingfu

Support Article looks okay to be ITNRD. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Francis Wodié

Weak support Article is barely OK to be ITNRD I'd say, but needs a lot of work and cleaning up. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything holding this article back from being posted? Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support It looks like it has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Not sure how I haven't gotten to this yet. Plenty of sources and length gives this my seal of approval. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 04:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cecil Exum

Support He's acutally a naturalized Australian. Sufficient breadth and sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 07:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well-cited article. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 05:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sudakshina Sarma

Support Quality is okay for ITNRD. Could use more ref work but it's okay in its current status. TwistedAxe [contact] 22:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Please can I request a pair of editors’ eyes on this one? Ktin (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Article body does not have much more additional depth than the introduction; one sentence states "In a career spanning over seven decades, Sarma recorded songs in a variety of genres across Assamese music spanning both classical and modern including Borgeet, Kamrupi Lokgeet, and Goalpariya Lokogeet" without much elaboration, aside from a couple sentences mostly focusing on her singing career when she was a girl. Spencer^T•C 03:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anything specific that you are looking for? Might be able to add over the weekend -- but need to know. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 04:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spencer -- Expanded further. With this I believe this one should be ready for mainpage / RD. Ktin (talk) 03:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Improved compared to prior; meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 16:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is in reasonable shape for posting to ITNRD. Template:Yo, happy to help expand as well but I support posting in its current state. Schwinnspeed (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 03:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Baden-Powell

Oppose Article needs lots of sourcing work before it can be posted to the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Fakescientist. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I added some sourcing and improved the existing ones a bit. I still can't find a source which confirms the lodges they were a part of, so if someone else with knowledge on scouting wants to take a look I'd appreciate it. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 22:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Deauthorized - It's not someone with a knowledge of just Scouting you need there. It's someone with a knowledge of both Scouting AND lodges. Such people are quite rare. I know that to those involved in freemasonry and similar movements, such things are very important, but in the modern day, they are quite obscure. Removing such content from the article would do little harm, and have the article better follow our rules. HiLo48 (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that part for now, though I was hesitant at first. I wouldn't oppose it being re-implemented if a source can be found proving said sentence. Thanks. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 23:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It seems like most of the awards need a reference. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jenin incursion

Oppose While I'm sympathetic, Israeli atrocities are a "day that ends in Y" occurrence. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This isn't anything rare. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As I learned yesturday, stuff like this happens all the time, so this really isn't really ITN-worthy. Attacks like this occur on a almost daily basis in Israel/Palestine. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support People that are (semi-reflexively) saying this is a normal occurrence are jumping the gun. Every article has stated that this is the biggest military operation in a Palestinian city since the Second Intifada, with over a thousand troops deployed. As this is clearly a major escalation, and not a routine ambush or attack by the IDF, this is clearly a significant event. However the article needs some fixing before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 19:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. Sadly not unusual for the region. The Kip (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lawrence Turman

Oppose Orange tag and lots of citation issues. Needs ref work before it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I’ve done some work to improve the sourcing but there are still 2 cn tags left. If anyone else wants to have a go, feel free. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Filmography completely uncited. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Victoria Amelina

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Support Article's sourcing and depth is good enough. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 02:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's is good enough. Fahads1982 (talk) 06:49, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support if two sentences had a ref. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Gerda, please remember to include a formal support or oppose (wait and comment are also options depending on the situation) in your !vote, per Voicing an opinion on an item. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 07:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could you instead please find a ref for the quote, and her children's book? - This is ITN, where everything has to be referenced, and quotes always need a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, your points are valid. I just wanted to inform you of the rule, don’t take it too seriously. Anyways, I’ve added a source for the children’s book now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the quote is gone, the fact is reference. Leaves only one book in need of a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ping Welcome to Wikipedia. While your comment is generally accurate, ITN is not a vote per se, so having bolded supports/opposes is less important than the quality of the comment. When reviewing nominations, the admins will have enough experience to know how to interpret Gerda's comment. Anarchyte (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thanks for the feedback. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 11:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very sad news. I support this nomination. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:5CE6:B6E2:4E06:219B (talk) 10:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Really sad. Article looks fine for ITNRD. Marking this as ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Atricle's good enough for RD. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Removed ready. Bibliography is uncited. Anarchyte (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have added references for the missing section within the bibliography. Victoria Amelina's death has been covered in various media outlets globally- definitely notable and should be posted. Looks ready for posting now. Schwinnspeed (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted - good work everyone. Anarchyte (talk) 06:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 3

(Posted) RD: Yan Mingfu

Support Article looks okay to be ITNRD. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Francis Wodié

Weak support Article is barely OK to be ITNRD I'd say, but needs a lot of work and cleaning up. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything holding this article back from being posted? Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support It looks like it has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Not sure how I haven't gotten to this yet. Plenty of sources and length gives this my seal of approval. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 04:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cecil Exum

Support He's acutally a naturalized Australian. Sufficient breadth and sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 07:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well-cited article. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 05:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sudakshina Sarma

Support Quality is okay for ITNRD. Could use more ref work but it's okay in its current status. TwistedAxe [contact] 22:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Please can I request a pair of editors’ eyes on this one? Ktin (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Article body does not have much more additional depth than the introduction; one sentence states "In a career spanning over seven decades, Sarma recorded songs in a variety of genres across Assamese music spanning both classical and modern including Borgeet, Kamrupi Lokgeet, and Goalpariya Lokogeet" without much elaboration, aside from a couple sentences mostly focusing on her singing career when she was a girl. Spencer^T•C 03:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anything specific that you are looking for? Might be able to add over the weekend -- but need to know. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 04:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spencer -- Expanded further. With this I believe this one should be ready for mainpage / RD. Ktin (talk) 03:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Improved compared to prior; meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 16:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is in reasonable shape for posting to ITNRD. Template:Yo, happy to help expand as well but I support posting in its current state. Schwinnspeed (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 03:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Baden-Powell

Oppose Article needs lots of sourcing work before it can be posted to the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Fakescientist. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I added some sourcing and improved the existing ones a bit. I still can't find a source which confirms the lodges they were a part of, so if someone else with knowledge on scouting wants to take a look I'd appreciate it. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 22:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Deauthorized - It's not someone with a knowledge of just Scouting you need there. It's someone with a knowledge of both Scouting AND lodges. Such people are quite rare. I know that to those involved in freemasonry and similar movements, such things are very important, but in the modern day, they are quite obscure. Removing such content from the article would do little harm, and have the article better follow our rules. HiLo48 (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that part for now, though I was hesitant at first. I wouldn't oppose it being re-implemented if a source can be found proving said sentence. Thanks. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 23:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It seems like most of the awards need a reference. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jenin incursion

Oppose While I'm sympathetic, Israeli atrocities are a "day that ends in Y" occurrence. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This isn't anything rare. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As I learned yesturday, stuff like this happens all the time, so this really isn't really ITN-worthy. Attacks like this occur on a almost daily basis in Israel/Palestine. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support People that are (semi-reflexively) saying this is a normal occurrence are jumping the gun. Every article has stated that this is the biggest military operation in a Palestinian city since the Second Intifada, with over a thousand troops deployed. As this is clearly a major escalation, and not a routine ambush or attack by the IDF, this is clearly a significant event. However the article needs some fixing before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 19:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. Sadly not unusual for the region. The Kip (talk) 21:25, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lawrence Turman

Oppose Orange tag and lots of citation issues. Needs ref work before it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I’ve done some work to improve the sourcing but there are still 2 cn tags left. If anyone else wants to have a go, feel free. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Filmography completely uncited. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Victoria Amelina

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Support Article's sourcing and depth is good enough. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 02:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's is good enough. Fahads1982 (talk) 06:49, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support if two sentences had a ref. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Gerda, please remember to include a formal support or oppose (wait and comment are also options depending on the situation) in your !vote, per Voicing an opinion on an item. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 07:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could you instead please find a ref for the quote, and her children's book? - This is ITN, where everything has to be referenced, and quotes always need a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, your points are valid. I just wanted to inform you of the rule, don’t take it too seriously. Anyways, I’ve added a source for the children’s book now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: the quote is gone, the fact is reference. Leaves only one book in need of a reference. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ping Welcome to Wikipedia. While your comment is generally accurate, ITN is not a vote per se, so having bolded supports/opposes is less important than the quality of the comment. When reviewing nominations, the admins will have enough experience to know how to interpret Gerda's comment. Anarchyte (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thanks for the feedback. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 11:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very sad news. I support this nomination. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:5CE6:B6E2:4E06:219B (talk) 10:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Really sad. Article looks fine for ITNRD. Marking this as ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Atricle's good enough for RD. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Removed ready. Bibliography is uncited. Anarchyte (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have added references for the missing section within the bibliography. Victoria Amelina's death has been covered in various media outlets globally- definitely notable and should be posted. Looks ready for posting now. Schwinnspeed (talk) 04:01, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted - good work everyone. Anarchyte (talk) 06:16, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 2

(Posted) RD: Syaukat Banjaransari

Support Article is fine, not good, but fine, in depth and sourcing. No major quality issues. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article has sufficient quality for RD. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 00:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fixed the birth & death date at the top which wasn't written for some reason. Other than that, article looks ok. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question: Whose namecard listed the occupation as a painter? Who was involved in film-making? Kardono or Syaukat? I don't know the Indonesian language, so, sorry, I can't things using the existing refs. --PFHLai (talk) 03:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re Thanks for bringing this up. I've fixed the issue. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for fixing them. -- PFHLai (talk) 03:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is a long list of films in the filmography, and the article text says only that he "was also involved in filmmaking and had participated in several films." In what way? Art design? Direction of some sort? Given the long list is there without much context, a sentence or two clarifying his role would be useful. Spencer^T•C 03:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I don't see much wrong and see no reason why this hasn't been posted yet. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support This seems to be good enough in terms of details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post archiving posted – Muboshgu (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Baltimore shooting

Oppose and close Knowing the consensus in Candidates, this nomination is not going anywhere. Shootings in the U.S. are routine and not particularly noticeable or noteworthy outside the country's borders. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per @Alsoriano97 — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 23:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - a mass shooting a day, keeps the doctor busy. Nfitz (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and close Mass shootings in the United States occur more frequently than your average person bathes [32]. Obviously very different things, but the first shower was probably a notable moment in civilisation, like the first US mass shooting. Subsequent ones would be more notable if they hadn't become so routine. We're even at the point where you couldn't put "US gun violence epidemic" or something in the ongoing line because the prevalence of mass shootings seems so much a part of life, the overwhelming number of shootings itself is no longer news. I would love to one day be able to post an ITN item of the US doing something about it. Kingsif (talk) 00:01, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Minnie Bruce Pratt

Support Article quality looks satisfactory for RD. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 01:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well-sourced article. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per above. I've commented out two unsourced awards. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better sources are needed to replace or support iMDb and the subject's own website used as references in this wikibio. Also, the intro mentions the subject's retirement from Syracuse U, but the professional career section has no mention that she has even worked there. Please elaborate in the main prose. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Kerslake, Baron Kerslake

Support Fixed the article and added a "Death" section. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Further proof that "article quality" is really about formatting puffery. Elsewhere, "Death" sections are discouraged when there's nothing out the ordinary to be said about the person's death. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 09:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Elsewhere requires different things. And it's not just article quality. Updating is also needed. It's RD here. So, death ought to be added in there. It would be nice if things can be elaborated, though. -- PFHLai (talk) 03:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Formatting puffery"? Have you looked at those failed noms? -- PFHLai (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per notability : Most likely a lot of people haven’t even heard of the man. 2601:183:4081:FEA0:88A5:9417:E505:FC25 (talk) 20:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Read the bottom of the nomination, and you'll see relevance doesn't matter. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.". TwistedAxe [contact] 12:13, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Marking ready, will post it today if nobody does before me. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 04:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Meg Johnson

Oppose Orange tag needs to be fixed. Will support when its ready. Support Orange tag has been resolved and article is of okay quality. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article quality seems good enough for RD now since the orange tag has been resolved. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 01:37, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 03:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Qadri Abu Bakr

Oppose Early-life section is entirely unsourced. Once fixed I'll support. Support Looks ready now. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support I’ve added a source for the early life section. The article is a bit short but otherwise fine for posting. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 01:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's a stub article so it is not ready yet. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only 161 words of prose? Nothing else to write about the subject? Please EXPAND this wikibio. Thank you.--PFHLai (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded the lead. Ainty Painty (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The intro is where highlights and summaries go, details and footnotes should be in the body or main prose. And, regarding article length, while DYK expects 300 words, ITN-RD should not require less. --PFHLai (talk) 03:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Kenya truck crash

Support - pending article expansion. I created the article, though I got err... sidetracked, but I'll attempt to expand the article beyond stub level. - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 14:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support notability, Template:Strikethrough Enough deaths/injuries for notability in my opinion and we also posted the Carberry highway collision (with less deaths) so there’s precedent. Article is stubby though. MonarchOfTerror (talk) 16:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, oppose on quality Article needs work, it's too stubby in its current form. However, its notable enough to be mentioned due to the deaths being in the double digits. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:10, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Traffic accidents are common in Kenya and other African countries. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As I stated in the talk page for this article, would you state the same if it occured in a western country? - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 19:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We should have a high threshold for traffic accidents as they are commonplace everywhere. For example, just now in the UK a major motorway will be closed for much of the day after the spectacular crash of a milk tanker. It's getting plenty of headlines – "M6 gridlocked after milk tanker flips over central reservation in horror crash" – but it's still just a classic WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this would pass such a threshold as there are 49 dead. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as a news story with no broader significance. Also, we really need to decide what sort of scope we're looking for when posting items. It doesn't make any sense to oppose something because it only affects a few million people in one country, but then to turn around and support something that only affects a few hundred people in one city. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tq This is unavoidable as comparing one type of news story to a different type of news story is always an apples to oranges comparison. Every political decision in any large country affects millions of people, but a historic natural disaster may only have a double or triple digit death toll. This doesn't make the former more blurbworthy than the latter. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, it might mean the natural disaster isn't that "historic" after all. There's a bad habit on Wikipedia of confusing "interesting thing that happened" with "thing that has lasting historic significance". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principal, ~~oppose on quality~~ - that's a huge death toll period, but it's especially high for a road accident. No shot we'd oppose this on notability if this happened a little closer to home. But it's not ready to post when the article consists of mere sentences and not paragraphs. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Home? My home is Australia. Yours? This is a global encyclopaedia. HiLo48 (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HiLo, I know you've got a years long record of pouncing on every opportunity to bring up American bias, but by "Home" I obviously meant "the west", not the United States. Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Really? English is one of Kenya's two official languages. Millions of Kenyans use English Language Wikipedia. Is is just as much home to them as it is to you. I don't care whether you meant the USA or the west, whatever that is, but "home" showed an unhealthy parochialism. An "us or them" mentality. Very unhealthy. HiLo48 (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My goodness, HiLo. I know Kenya is an English-speaking nation, I'm talking about the types of countries most ITN/C editors are from. I know what countries the regulars here are from. (see also: idiom "close to home") I know most of us are British or Americans, and I know that you know that, too, as you never miss an opportunity to remind us. But in this case, I was making a point about systemic bias. You'd agree with what I said had you not gotten ahead of yourself and been needlessly aggressive. Use your context clues the next time. This is unproductive and nonsensical. Vanilla Wizard 💙 04:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're not very good at saying "I was wrong", are you? HiLo48 (talk) 04:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose Unfortunately, Traffic accidents are common in countries like Kenya, and we usually don't post about car accidents. Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Confounding how the Carberry highway collision sailed through, yet more significant crash events are so heavily opposed. But no, no bias at all. Right. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, This is not a notable event in Kenya. Alex-h (talk) 12:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Traffic accidents are routine. Not global headline news. Sandstein 15:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A uncommon but not unusual road accident that likely fails NEVENT for notability. --Masem (t) 15:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We posted the much, much smaller Carberry highway collision where only 16 people were killed last month. The big difference is that were all white people. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Given we post much smaller vehicle crashes when the dead people are white, it would be highly prejudicial to not post this; quality notwithstanding. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Andrew D. Let the nom return to his Gronk. SN54129 — Preceding undated comment added 12:26, 03 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle per Nfitz. IMO article is also ready to post now, it has been updated by a lot of different people, I'm not sure how to credit that. @MonarchOfTerror @Twistedaxe @Vanilla Wizard do you agree? Aaron Liu (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks to the editors who worked to bring it up to shape! I retract my opposition. Support on quality. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good work by the editors! Article looks good enough now. Support on quality given. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 02:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in line with English Grammar I believe it should be "kills 49 and injures 30 others" for parallel construction. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blaylockjam10 has corrected this with their update to the blurb. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support 52 deaths is a lot of deaths & it seems like the article's quality is good enough now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unarchived from July 1 as we have not come to a decision yet and this is newer than the China explosion. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article is currently up for WP:AfD, and is thus ineligible to appear on the Main Page until the discussion is closed. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would say just post it but it is ineligible being at AfD. It's stale as soon as one more blurb is posted. Kingsif (talk) 01:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you meant 2. It's also newer than Wagner. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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July 1

(Posted) RD: David Tompkins

Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 02:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Support Per user above. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 03:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Buldhana bus accident

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Oppose on quality as it’s a stub. Lean support on notability. The Kip (talk) 00:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In India, car accidents like this is very common, and unfortunately, it is not ITN-worthy because of how common car accidents like this has occurred in India. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless death toll rises per Editor 5426387. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:08, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This seems like a sad but typical type of road accident that would fail NEVENT for notability. --Masem (t) 15:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability. I'm not convinced this passes our notability guidelines. Anarchyte (talk) 04:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dilano van 't Hoff

Support Well-referenced article, and quite frankly a tragic loss at 18 years old. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:10, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 12:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Black Kite (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Euclid launch