Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates

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Removing featured lists in Wikipedia

This page is for the review and improvement of featured lists that may no longer meet the featured list criteria. FLs should be kept at current standards, regardless of when they were promoted. Any objections raised in the review must be actionable.

The FLC director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and The Rambling Man, determine the exact timing of the process for each nomination. Nominations will last at least 14 days, and longer where changes are ongoing and it seems useful to continue the process. For a nomination to be kept, consensus must be reached that it still meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the delegates determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list, archived and added to Former featured lists if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved; or
  • consensus to delist has been reached; or
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met.

Nominations may be closed earlier than the allotted two weeks if, in the judgment of the FLRC delegate, the list in the nomination:

  • has a clear consensus to merge or redirect to another article or list. This consensus may be shown in Articles for deletion, a discussion on the article's talk page, a discussion on the relevant WikiProject(s), or other community venues that present a tangible consensus to merge or redirect the article; or
  • contains a clear copyright violation and removal of the copyrighted material would severely degrade the quality of the list.

Do not nominate lists that have recently been promoted (such complaints should have been brought up during the candidacy period as featured list candidates) or lists that have recently survived a removal attempt – such nominations are likely to be removed summarily.

A bot will update the list talk page after the list has been kept or the nomination has been archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FLRC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{ArticleHistory}}. If a nomination is delisted, editors should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating at Featured list candidates.

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Nomination procedure

  • Place {{subst:FLRC}} on the talk page of the nominated list.
  • From the FLRC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FLRC talk page for assistance.
  • Below the preloaded title, write your reason for nominating the list, sign with ~~~~ and save the page. Please note which of the featured list criteria that the list fails to meet.
  • Place {{Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} at the top of the list of nominees on this page by first copying the above, clicking "edit" on the top of the page, and then pasting, making sure to add the name of the nominated article.
  • Notify relevant parties by adding {{subst:FLRCMessage|ArticleName|archive=# of archive page}} (for example, {{subst:FLRCMessage|List of Presidents of the United States|archive=1}}) to relevant talk pages (insert article name). Relevant parties include main contributors to the article (identifiable through article stats script), the editor who originally nominated the article for Featured List status (identifiable through the Featured List Candidate link in the Article Milestones), and any relevant WikiProjects (identifiable through the talk page banners, but there may be other Projects that should be notified). Leave a message at the top of the FLRC indicating whom you have notified and that notifications have been completed.

Nominations for removal[edit]

List of current members of the Maryland House of Delegates[edit]

Notified: Marylandstater, Y2hyaXM, WikiProject Maryland

2007 FL which, unfortunately, has not stood the test of time. Concerns on the talk page have been met with silence. Firstly, the last paragraph of the lead is unsourced. The list is also tagged {{no footnotes}} and, indeed, uses general references. Overall, this shouldn't be very hard to rectify, but as it stands, this fails 3b and is not exemplar. (I'm also concerned about the very-near-total reliance on a single source, but that isn't any criterion I know of and it's perfectly reliable.) QueenofHearts 09:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Golden Martín Fierro Award winners[edit]

I am nominating this for featured list removal because it is not comprehensive, its prose are weak and it is not kept up to date. It was promoted in 2014 and I feel no longer warrants featured list status. Lankyant (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Remove: per nom. Please ping me if changes are made. Idiosincrático (talk) 06:41, 4 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • At first glance, this isn't too bad compared to other FLRCs. Definitely needs to add the last few years, but I think it is otherwise fairly comprehensive, unless there are other details to this award that I am missing. (Which may be the case given that two of the three "current" holders aren't listed in the article?) Also, the article should probably move to Golden Martín Fierro Award, but I would suggest doing that after the FLRC closes. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Well, I guess I answered my own question, because I found this article that discusses radio and digital winners (assuming my basic high school Spanish and my browser's auto-translation are accurate). In that case, a delist may be more reasonable given the amount of content to be added. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches[edit]

Notified: Gary, Juliancolton, WP:NFL, WP:RAMS, WP:WPLIST

I am nominating this for featured list removal because it fails a number of criteria:

  • 1. Prose: the prose is not professional ("this time losing to the Detroit Lions in a playoff", there are a lot of colloquial terms ("openly flirted") and weasel words ("Knox was unable to recreate the magic of his earlier tenure). Dashes need fixing, season records need to have a tooltip explaining what they mean, and overall the prose reads very unencyclopedic.
  • 2. Lead: the lead is excessively long, overly detailed and is tagged as such. There are also a ton of duplicate links in the lead.
  • 3b. Comprehensiveness: primary issue here, the list lacks any inline citations in the lead. Sources lack consistent formatting and need to be archived. There is no need for the "List" template in Allen, Knox and Vermeil's "Accomplishments" column. The "Notes" section is almost completely unsourced.
  • 4. Structure: the key needs to be reworked, as the number of coaches and winning record can be replaced with tooltips in the table. The different awards won by the coaches should be linked. The table needs to be sortable. The images need to be increased to 100px (imho) to be useful. To tone down some of the coloring in the table (which to me is I would drop the coloring for "HoF as a player" as not exactly relevant to this list.
  • Accessibility: the list lacks all accessibility features expected of WP:FL today, both in the table and no alt text on the photos.

The list was nominated 15 years ago when standards were quite different, and the list went through a massive expansion of the lead that was never properly cleaned-up/sourced. These issues either need to be addressed or the article delisted. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agree this needs to be delisted. This is maybe the single worst case of lede expansion I've ever seen. Toa Nidhiki05 18:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I thought it would be bad, I didn't think it was gonna be that bad. ULPS (talkcontribs) 19:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't know if it helps, but I restored the lead as it was prior to the colossal expansion...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Gonzo_fan2007, being an avid Rams fan since they moved back to Los Angeles (I'm a native of that city and currently live in the metro area), I'm going to attempt to salvage this list. Bear in mind, I've never done any featured list work on anything sports-related outside of Olympic medal tables, and therefore I'll probably need advice. Looking at the list. I feel like the lead introduction does not need to entail the entire history of the Rams since that seems to be more appropriate on the respective team history article page and/or the season history page. Lookimg at the most recent gridiron football head coaches lists to be promoted to featured status, I think the format should look like List of Georgia Bulldogs head football coaches or List of LSU Tigers head football coaches. I think it could also begin with a brief summary of the team's location and stadium history.
I'd like to also mention that my laptop in my new home is currently not working. So I can only do work on featured lists primarily Wednesday through Friday whem I'm at my old home. Furthermore, I'm currently working improving a few Oscar ceremonies lists (Namely, the 96th Oscar nominations list will be announced this coming Tuesday with the winners announced on March 10. I plan to submit the list for FLC in July). I also plan to help RunningTiger123 in helping get the 75th Primetime Emmy Awards to FL standards. So please be patient with me.
--Birdienest81talk 10:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Birdienest81, there is no rush! :) take your time. If it is of any help, I recently did a self-FLRC on List of Green Bay Packers head coaches. There are also a number of other "head coaches" FLs within the WP:NFL you can take a look at it. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Gonzo_fan2007, If you want to check out the progress of me improving this list, you can track it at this sandbox. I am currently focusing on rebuilding the coaching record table, though I have done a little bit of the intro paragraphs. I don't want to mess up the table on the actual page for the sake of Rams fans who want to still view the article, and it gives me a reference point. As you can see it is based off heavily from List of Green Bay Packers head coaches. After I'm done with the table at minimum, I will archive the links and transfer the copyedited table to the main list. Then I will work on the introductory paragraphs. Let me know if you have any suggestions or if there is anyone willing to rewrite the introduction. I'm might be slow on introductory paragraphs for a subject I've not tackled yet.
--Birdienest81talk 22:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great work Birdienest81! Feel free to take your time, I am in no rush :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Gonzo_fan2007, I've finally transferred the copy-edited version of the table from the sandbox to the actual list. As you can see, it is modeled heavily on the List of Packers head coaches. Meanwhile I have rewrote the entire intro for the list on the sandbox. I tried to brief give an overview of the team's coaching history. However, unlike the Packers who had 15 coaches in their history, the Rams have 28. Therefore the intro is one paragraph longer. If you have any suggestions on the list. Feel free to give me feedback.
--Birdienest81talk 22:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Birdienest81, it looks a whole lot better, nice work! I'll try to do a closer review in the next few days and let you know if I notice anything :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Birdienest81, I have no more issues. Nice work in saving this one! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Cricket World Cup records[edit]

Notified: WikiProject Cricket, Vimalkalyan (FL nominator in 2007).

This became an FL in 2007 and kept as an FL in 2009, when the standards were nowhere near today's standards. At the time, the article had more focus, rather than today where the article just includes indiscriminate amounts of WP:TRIVIA. Most of these stats are sourced entirely to ESPNcricinfo, which in part is because too many of the stats listed aren't interesting enough to a broad audience to be featured in any non-database publications. And apart from the lead, there is almost no text to explain the endless numbers of tables. Of the main article sections:

  1. "Team records" section is mostly okay, as it focuses on the main records that people would expect to see. However, things like "Kings of league" are trivia, and that one is also unsourced
  2. "Bowling" Overall section has so much junk- like 4 wicket hauls, which are not generally counted (as five-wicket hauls are, and they're already listed) and "Most consecutive matches taking at least one wicket", which is just trivia.
  3. "Fielding" section is mostly okay, as it's concise
  4. "Partnership" section is again concise
  5. "Other" section is basically just being used as a catch all for whatever trivia people can find farming through ESPNcricinfo database. The worst offender being a grounds list which is all English grounds because England has hosted the WC way more times than anyone else. No encyclopedic value to most of these stats

In terms of the FL criteria, my assessment is as follows (pass/?/fail is my assessment of the criteria):

  1. Prose: the prose that is there is acceptable (Overall:pass)
  2. Lead: the text in the lead is acceptable, though some of it is not sourced anywhere in the article (Overall:?)
  3. Comprehensiveness:
    1. it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items- no, as it's just tables without text to accompany it (Overall:fail)
    2. statements are sourced where they appear,- mostly yes, albeit just to databases. Some stats are using WP:SYNTH e.g. for the Australia streak where the source lists 34 matches, but the article claims 27 win streak by removing some ties/no results. Needs a proper source to say they are counted as winning 27 wins in a row (Overall:?)
    3. In length and/or topic, it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists Not enough text in this article, tables alone are not sufficient in lists, they must be accompanied by significant amounts of explanatory text (Overall:fail)
  4. Structure: lots of tables in the player records section not using {{Sortname}} for player names, so are sorting by the player's country not their surname. No row or column headers which are needed for good accessibility (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial/Internal guidelines#Making relevant row headers). Also, too many stats and sections, so difficult to navigate (Overall:fail)
  5. Style:
    1. Visual appeal: Very little text and way too many tables, thus no visual appeal (Overall:fail)
    2. Media files: A few relevant images, though captions could be more explanatory about their relevance to this article e.g. what CWC records do they hold, rather than just saying "This is Ricky Ponting". Images also lack WP:ALTTEXT (Overall:?)
  6. Stability: Some editing due to ongoing 2023 Cricket World Cup, but no edit warring (Overall:pass)

Therefore, it seems clear to me that unless a massive overhaul of this article is done, to focus scope, remove trivia and greatly increase the amount of prose related to the statistics tables, thus article is well short of current criteria to be a FL. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Based on a first look, the list suffers from being too long and without enough context. I don't feel confident that I understand FL criteria at all, but there are examples of where this list is simply a bunch of statistical tables with pretty flags, many of which have too many columns in them anyway - for example, the run scorers table could easily lose the average, 50s and 100s columns and one of the matches or innings columns; it probably doesn't need the rank column either as there are just five listed and I don't actually see the need for sortability either.

Some the tables (King of tournament, for example) I don't actually understand what they're showing. With some consensus about which tables to remove and a commitment to watch the article we could probably get somewhere close to a reasonable list (and I'm willing to do this alone if necessary), but I imagine this might be better delisted first and then anyone who has an actually commitment to featured listing could re-nominate it perhaps. But there's probably no point even attempting that until after the current tournament is complete Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My take on these issues:
  • I don't think FLCR #3 is an issue; FLs only need annotations where appropriate, but if the tables are sufficiently self-explanatory, no prose is needed, and I've certainly never seen the assertion that a FL needs "significant amounts of explanatory text" (for instance, I worked on a recently promoted FL that lists almost 400 items and has minimal/zero prose outside the lead, and no concerns were raised).
  • The overall list structure is fine but table formatting is a mess (this spills into visual appeal as well). The team records tables are closest to good formatting, but they are missing row/column scopes and table headings, and several inappropriately use rows at the bottom spanning the full width as footers/notes. Other sections are worse (I'm particularly interested to know how the sorting arrows under Partnership were hidden – never seen that and it's definitely wrong).
  • I don't know enough about cricket to know if all of these stats are relevant, but I wouldn't be surprised if some are trivial.
  • References are out of date in many cases; access dates should fall after the most recent date for the section they cite.
It doesn't look like much has changed in the month or so since the FLCR page was created, so I'm leaning towards delisting. But The Rambling Man did a lot to update the list during its first FLRC period in 2009, so I think he deserves a notification and a chance to respond alongside the original nominator. RunningTiger123 (talk) 06:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I suppose one option would be to revert back to the last FL state, update the records and then have a think about what else might want to be added? That's probably the least painful version if we want to maintain this as FL Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Even then, it's tricky; FLs were not held to the same standard in 2009 as they are now, so there are still issues (missing rowscopes, poor table structures [using line breaks to line up different cells], some MOS issues), and adding four tournaments' worth of stats is no small ask itself. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I gave this 15 minutes or so and came to the cam conclusion really. It's possible perhaps to rescue this, but for something that I don't really think has much value anyway, I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Delist this and then at least we can gut the worst of this. Blue Square Thing (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Joseph2302, Blue Square Thing, The Rambling Man and RunningTiger123, I have just completed a complete rewrite of this list in order to bring this back up to the FL standards of today. If you could please review and let me know whether you have comments that would great. Thanks – Ianblair23 (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Formatting is much better now, though it doesn't look like the table footers use proper syntax (they're just regular rows set to sort at the bottom). I am still concerned that some tables are pretty trivial; I'm not a cricket expert, but something like "Highest partnerships by wicket" feels a bit contrived. It is also not clear where the ODI records come from, and the equals sign for ranks can sort incorrectly (see "Narrowest win margins (by runs)" for an example). RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]