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January 28, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Jafaa (TV Series) → Jafaa – Although the second (below) is currently the primary redirect to its current target, it's been added on so as to convince the admin or page mover post-move discussion so as not to get confused. And although the first was just moved out of the draftspace, pageviews may not be an issue here, especially during the duration of this RM! What do you think? Intrisit (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TiggerJay (talk) 05:39, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 27, 2025

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References

  1. ^ Friedmann, Yohanan (2011). "The Ahmadiyyah Movement". Oxford Bibliographies. Archived from the original on 14 December 2019. Retrieved 4 January 2019. The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is a modern Muslim messianic movement. It was founded in 1889 in the Indian province of Punjab by Ghulam Ahmad (b. c. 1835–d. 1908). Having been accused of rejecting the Muslim dogma asserting the finality of Muhammad's prophethood, the movement aroused the fierce opposition of the Sunni mainstream. During the period of British rule in India, the controversy was merely a doctrinal dispute between private individuals or voluntary organizations, but after most Ahmadis moved in 1947 to the professedly Islamic state of Pakistan, the issue was transformed into a major constitutional problem. The Sunni Muslim mainstream demanded the formal exclusion of the Ahmadis from the Muslim fold. This objective was attained in 1974: against the fierce opposition of the Ahmadis, the Pakistani parliament adopted a constitutional amendment declaring them non-Muslims. In 1984, in the framework of Ziya al-Haqq's Islamization trend in Pakistan, presidential Ordinance XX of 1984 transformed the religious observance of the Ahmadis into a criminal offense, punishable by three years of imprisonment. The ordinance subsequently became an instrument of choice for the harassment and judicial persecution of the Ahmadi community. Following its promulgation, the headquarters of the Qadiyani branch of the Ahmadi movement moved from Rabwa, Pakistan, to London.
  2. ^ Gualtieri, Antonio R. (1989). Conscience and Coercion: Ahmadi Muslims and orthodoxy in Pakistan. Guernica Editions. p. 21–22. ISBN 978-0-920717-41-7.
  3. ^ "Ahmadiyya Muslim Community – An Overview". Alislam.org. Archived from the original on 16 March 2015. Retrieved 14 November 2012. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are Muslims who believe in the Messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (peace be on him) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 1889 as a revival movement within Islam, emphasizing its essential teachings of peace, love, justice, and sanctity of life. Today, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the world's largest Islamic community under one Divinely appointed leader, His Holiness, Mirza Masroor Ahmad (may Allah be his Helper) (b. 1950). The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community spans over 200 nations with membership exceeding tens of millions.
  4. ^ Rickershauser, Peter (March 1972). "Jersey Central had a great fall". Trains. Vol. 32, no. 5. pp. 20–28.
  5. ^ Higgs, Larry (September 16, 2008). "Train tragedy memorialized". Asbury Park Press. p. 27. Retrieved December 23, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
Mackensen (talk) 16:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Paris Saint-Germain Academy → Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy – A November 2024 RM failed, but it's unclear on what grounds. The current title, "Paris Saint-Germain Academy", refers to a program run by PSG for children across the world, giving them an opportunity to do training sessions under the PSG name and to improve on their game. It refers to this, with an example being the "France" academy here. These "schools" run by this "PSG Academy" program are NOT the actual youth academy this article is referring to. This article refers to the players that are in what is called in French the centre de formation, and by extension, those in the préformation. The article is referring to the players actually in PSG's youth system that ultimately goes up to the club's first team. And this youth system is NOT known by the name "Paris Saint-Germain Academy", both in sourcing and especially not by the club itself. The club calls its youth academy the centre de formation here, which it itself translates to "Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy" on the same page in English. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 12:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TiggerJay (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Behind Enemy Lines (1986 film) → P.O.W. The Escape – The previous discussion that led to the determination that the film's primary title was Behind Enemy Lines appears to have been in error. The biography of actor David Carradine (Endless Highway, p. 553) states that Behind Enemy Lines was the filming title, later changed to P.O.W. The Escape. Every review and advertisement published at the time of the film's domestic opening (such as a free-to-access Los Angeles Times review by Patrick Goldstein), shows that the title had already been changed to P.O.W. The Escape. The American Film Institute catalog also calls it P.O.W. The Escape and identifies Behind Enemy Lines as a working title. Redacwiki (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TiggerJay (talk) 16:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Autonomous university → University autonomy – The article title uses autonomous university as a designation and the examples used in the article are dubious. In Singapore, where it appears to be most used, it seems to be a marketing term that doesn't mean much. Singapore is a less democratic country so it essentially means less state control based on the lost reference used in the article. In Australia, every university is an autonomous university by the same standards but adding that would turn this article into a meaningless list. Same goes with Mexico, which only has one "autonomous" university listed on the article despite being far from the only one. If this article is about a designation, there is nothing to write about and this article loses notability. I am guessing this article may be more relevant to India, but the country doesn't appear to have a designation strictly called "autonomous university". Since this article appears to have no clear purpose, I'm proposing moving this article to university autonomy as on Spanish Wikipedia which would broaden the topic. Queen Douglas DC-3 (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tel al-Sultan attack → Kuwait Peace Camp airstrike – The current title is not great: it's not particularly natural, precise or descriptive, but is merely a vague and fairly non-descript geographical handwave. The more natural titling surrounding the event in question has tended to revolve around the nomenclature of "Rafah tent ..." or "Rafah tent camp ..." (with attack/massacre as the operative descriptor) but these options equally lack precision (given there have been numerous tent camp attacks/massacres in Rafah). And yet "Tel al-Sultan" ironically isn't that much of an improvement, since Tel al-Sultan is equally not a specific city block or even neighborhood, but a substantial urban area within Rafah, and the attack also did not even really take place in Tel al-Sultan, but at a temporary tent camp on a previously deserted patch of land to the northeast of some UN warehouses that were themselves located to the northeast of Tel al-Sultan, on the other side of a peripheral ring road. The current title also does not mention either the key words "tent" or "camp" and is entirely obscure, non-descript and wholly unnatural as a search term. By contrast, the "Kuwait Peace Camp" is the precise location of the attack, as first attested by the BBC on 27 May based on the video footage, and confirmed by the Guardian and CNN on 29 May, and used as the principle identifier by Amnesty by 27 August. So this name represents the precise location of the attack and as a bonus contains the keyword "camp", so further specifies the nature of the event. And then "airstrike", because it was an airstrike, so that's precise, and the news coverage largely uses the term "strike". Meanwhile, the use of "attack" in the context is somewhat vague and could be confused with a ground assault, of which there have since been many in the area. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:18, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis → AMORC – The common name for the group is the acronym. They changed what it stood for literally dozens of times, it just calls itself AMORC, it has multiple commonly used variants in different languages. This is evidenced by the fact that every time it is brought up in full in the article it uses a different version of what it stands for. The only common version is the acronym. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:57, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fortress castle → Yagura castle – I'd like to propose a (potentially controversial?) reversal of the page moves by user Ish ishwar on 23 July 2019, where they moved the pages "Yagura caste" and "Yagura opening" to "Fortress castle" and "Fortress opening" respectively. This was seemingly done in accordance with WP:ENGLISHTITLE, going by Ish ishwar's edit summaries, which cite Fairbairn as a source for the translation. This seems to refer to John Fairbairn, author of the 1984 book Shogi for Beginners (ISBN 4871872017). However, I would argue that: # "Yagura castle" is an English term according to WP:ENGLISHTITLE, and does not need to be translated further. #: It is commonly used in English sources about shogi, including in books. Japanese-English Shogi Dictionary by Tomohide "Hidetchi" Kawasaki (ISBN 4905225086) uses "Yagura castle" alongside fully English terms like "Double Wing Attack" and "Side Pawn Picker," as can be seen on this photo. Other sources that use the term include Computers and Games by Jonathan Schaeffer and Martin Müller (2003), and Shogi: Japan's Game of Strategy by Trevor Leggett (2011). #: (On Google Search, the terms "yagura castle" and "yagura opening" also seem to be more commonly used on pages related to shogi than "fortress castle" and "fortress opening," although admittedly the difference is not large enough to be conclusive.) # "Fortress" is an inaccurate translation of the Japanese term. #: For the word "yagura" there is no definition equivalent to "fortress" mentioned in this online dictionary, or on Japanese Wikipedia's disambiguation page at . According to sources quoted on , the name of the shogi formation either comes from it looking similar to tower structures seen on walls and gates of Japanese castles (which are called Yagura (tower) on English Wikipedia), or it is named after a shop named Yagura (やぐら屋) that used to be located in Osaka city (in which case it would be a proper noun of unknown origin that cannot be translated). The fact that "fortress" does not correspond well to the original Japanese term of course does not make it less notable as an English term, and I think it should still be mentioned as an alternative name at the top of the article. However, I do feel that it is an additional argument (alongside the prevalence argument in point 1) for preferring "yagura" over "fortress" in the article titles, and as a primary term throughout the article texts. Spenĉjo (talk) 01:06, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 26, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – David C. Cook → David C Cook – See section above for initial request: "The organization’s name is spelled David C Cook (instead of David C. Cook as it is currently listed)." Validated lack of period after the "C": subject website, Amazon, numerous book sites/reviewers. Populated redirect is blocking move, may just be a technical request, but no harm with another eyeball on the period. ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 23:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mani → Mani (disambiguation) – My guess is that Mani the prophet is the primary topic, that most people searching on "mani" are looking for this guy. There are a lot of other things that come under "mani", but none of them are really very notable, whilst Mani the prophet is a world-historical figure of great importance and (I think) fame. The objection would be "well, all these many other mani-things added together are probably equivalent to the one guy or close anyway". There's no way to know if that is true but my guess is not. Also, in the rule somewhere it stays to lean toward the more scientific/serious/long-term-important meaning for a term in cases of doubt. Herostratus (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 08:13, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Discovery One → Discovery (2001 spaceship) – The spaceship is only referred to as "Discovery One" in the film version of the franchise. Every other mention is simply "Discovery": *Novels - 2001, 2010, 2061 & 3001 all mention the spaceship as "Discovery". "Discovery 2" is only mentioned with the suffix once in the novel 2010, at the beginning when Floyd & Moisevitch talk of shoes and spaceships and sealing wax, but mostly of monoliths and malfunctioning computers. From there on, it's just "Discovery" There is no mention of "Discovery One". *Films - 2001 refers to the spaceship as both "Discovery One" and "Discovery" twice. *Films - 2010 refers to the spaceship as "Discovery" in both the opening summary text, and also in the adapted Floyd & Moisevitch discussion, when they play "the truth" with each other. There is a single mention of "Discovery Two" in this conversation. The spaceship is commonly referred to as just "Discovery". Propose changing article name to support this and change to Discovery (2001 spaceship), but I'm open to discussion on alternatives. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 17:35, 20 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TiggerJay (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 25, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups → Suicide bombing by minors in the Second Intifada – This page can readily be moved to a much more precise and specific title. The current title is somewhat vague and broad in scope when the topic itself is quite narrow and discrete. The topic in question is suicide bombing by minors in the Second Intifada. "Minors" is more useful here than "child", as it pertains to the internationally defined (and most common) age of legal adulthood as being at 18, and the topic here is bombings by 16 and 17 year olds, so shortly below this legal threshold. The qualitative terminology of "children" or "childhood" is vaguer and conjures up the sense of individuals in their early teens or younger just as readily as it does the sense of those in their late teens but prior to legal maturity. The "Second Intifada" is the very precise and discrete time period in question, the when of the topic and a delineation that should obviously be mentioned in the lead (as part of the WP:NCWWW of the topic). This is very explicitly not a general topic page or broad concept article, but one very specifically linked to said time period. The mention that the subject involves "Palestinian militant groups" is lengthy and unnecessary. This element is naturally outlined as part of the WP:SCOPE in the first sentence of the page, but is in any case implied by the context of the "Second Intifada", which makes it clear that the broader topic is the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, where such tactics in the relevant period were the preserve of only side. This makes the specific mention of this element of the subject fairly redundant and unnecessary in the title. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Dr vulpes (Talk) 12:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – KAYO → ? – Not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the undisambiguated name. This is apparently a relatively new company launched within the past year, but KAYO has also been the call sign of at least two radio stations in the United States — formerly what's now KDDS-FM in metro Seattle and currently KAYO (FM) in Alaska, and there's also a current radio station in metro Seattle which officially has the call sign KYYO but uses the "KAYO" spelling in its branding because it's intentionally playing on the history of KDDS. So there are at least three other competing topics here, meaning that a disambiguation page is needed.
    Since this article doesn't clarify whether "KAYO" is an acronym for anything or not, I'm leaving the new title open for discussion — if it's an acronym then we could expand it to the full words, or if it's not then we could go with KAYO (Albania), but some move or other is needed as this absolutely can't claim to be the most prominent use of the plain undisambiguated title "KAYO". Bearcat (talk) 14:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Frost 09:03, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present) → Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war – It's time for this article to be changed back to its old name. Currently, the article (which still begins with "During the Israel–Hamas war...") does not have a single mention of fighting that took place before 7 October 2023. Yes, the content of this article can be changed to include events from before 7 October, but no one has done this, and frankly I myself don't feel like doing so– the article is just too extensive. There's really no problem with reverting to the old page name, as long as the subject material is treated as fighting that just happens to have occurred since the start of the war (and not some sort of spillover or theatre of the war). The old page title isn't even that long or cumbersome, really. Evaporation123 (talk) 08:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 24, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Astrid Olofsdotter of Sweden → Astrid Olofsdotter – Per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. See Google Books search. The Swedish translation Astrid Olofsdotter af/av Sverige is found in one self-published book in Google Books search, while the exact phrase Astrid Olofsdotter of Sweden does not seem to appear in the literature at all. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 21:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – August 2020 Midwest derecho → 2020 Midwest derecho – This far and away outshines any other derechos in the midwest that year - hell, any derecho in general, I would argue. It affected the "midwest" region (a less-than-clearly defined one, I may add) more than any of the others in the Great Plains and Great Lakes region that year, and searching for the "2020 derecho" online brings you here, so I don't think the disambiguators are necessary (a hatnote will be needed, however). I'm thinking of getting this article to GA or even FA at some point so I want to get this move out of the way. Departure– (talk) 16:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212 → Almohad period in the Reconquista – New proposal: Almohad–Christian conflicts - The current title is incorrect because it was not a war, it was a process/period. Before creating this article, I was looking for information about the Reconquista and found this book: * Charles, Phillips (2004). Encyclopedia of Wars (PDF). Facts On File. ISBN 9780816028511. I saw that it mentioned several "Spanish Christian–Muslim Wars" and, after finding more sources that mention this, I decided to create an article about it. However, I now think this title is incorrect for several reasons: I found some sources that talk about a war between 1172–1212 but they are still very few and probably unreliable (cited at the start of the article, probably all of them mention it because it is in the Encyclopedia of Wars), there are more sources that mention those dates to refer to the Almohad period in the Reconquista or Almohad rule in al-Andalus/Spain [13][14][15][16]. As @عبدالرحمن4132 said in the section above, the Almohads were already fighting the Christians before 1172 and continued after 1212 (although I defended the current title because I incorrectly thought it was a war). I have also noticed that there are sources that refer to the "peace treaty of 1212" as a truce and that, according to most of the sources [17][18][19][20], it actually happened in 1214, which contradicts the date. I have looked at the wars listed in the Encyclopedia of Wars (on which many of the sources that mention this "war" are based) and there are some that have inaccurate dates and even some that are not wars, but periods/processes (like this one). Some examples are: Almohad Conquest of Muslim Spain (period); Almoravid Conquest of Muslim Spain (period [21]); Spanish conquest of Chile (period [22]); Spanish-Portuguese War (1580–1589) (wrong date: different wars/campaigns [23][24]); etc. I have requested moving the article to "Almohad period in the Reconquista", but "Almohad period in the Iberian Peninsula", "Almohad period in Spain", "Almohad intervention in the Reconquista", "Almohad conflicts in the Iberian Peninsula" and others might also work. I will add and adapt the information in the article depending on the title change (if the move is successful). --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 23:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 23:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. — Wug·a·po·des 01:15, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 23, 2025

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January 22, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – FAISS → Faiss – The team at Meta has aligned that just capitalizing the first letter is the correct name. That is the way it is named in the original paper. I have updated the references in the page to be "Faiss" already but I cannot change the title to "Faiss". I believe this should replace the existing redirect. The strongest argument I can make is: Even though other sources are using it incorrectly as FAISS, the primary updated research paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/2401.08281 and the actively maintained Github repository use Faiss. At what point do we follow inconsistent sources versus the original source of truth? The original paper uses Faiss everywhere, and the Github uses Faiss everywhere, and the authors have said that it is intended to be Faiss. Inconsistent sources: - source 17 "FAISS vector codecs" is not the right title, it is simply "Vector codecs" (from the official Github, which uses "Faiss"). - 27 and 28 ANN bench repositories are inconsistent, some FAISS and some faiss - source 29 "Use a FAISS vector database with Haystack" uses Faiss and FAISS inconsistently. - source 30 "FAISS integration with Langchain" when following the URL actually uses "Faiss" in the title, but uses a mixture of FAISS, Faiss, faiss throughout the page. Sources that use it correctly as Faiss: - 1 through 5, 15 (papers or sources by original authors of Faiss) - 26: "Results of the Big ANN: NeurIPS'23 competition" Sources using it incorrectly as FAISS: - 11: "Quicker ADC : Unlocking the Hidden Potential of Product Quantization With SIMD" - 22: "Amazon OpenSearch Service now supports efficient vector query filters for FAISS" (but this is a web page that can be updated) - 23: "Milvus Knowhere" (but we can work with them to update it, because we meet with them often) Mnorris1921 (talk) 23:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Mnorris1921 (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – French fries → Fries – 'Fries' is a more generic term that can cover both the subsets of 'french fries' and 'chips' while avoiding/providing a good compromise for the long-standing US vs. UK language differences. From a UK perspective, I'm OK with counting both french fries and chips as subsets of fries, but chips as a subset of french fries seems odd. From a US perspective, I think 'Fries' are in common usage (it's always been 'would you like fries with that?' when I've been visiting the US), at least as a shorter term? Even McDonald's in the US calls them Fries [25]. Curious to hear thoughts! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gunnison grouse → Gunnison sage-grouse – Far and away the most common name for this species. A search on Google Scholar for "Gunnison Sage Grouse" returns 1430 results. A search for "Gunnison Grouse" returns just 38, most only barely relevant. For some reason, IOC is using the name "Gunnison Grouse" for this species, and a few other sources that follow their names such as IUCN and Xeno-canto are using it, but I see no evidence that anyone within the United States where the species is actually found is following along. We already use the non-IOC name for greater sage-grouse. This is such a obvious case I considered not even doing a RM but I figure there's no harm in putting this up here for a week or two. Somatochlora (talk) 17:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kerolin → Kerolin Nicoli – I am suggesting that the page be renamed to Kerolin Nicoli, considering that this is the name the athlete is using for her social media, as well as the club that just signed her (Manchester City W.F.C.) used in the announcement. I have only heard of her being referred to as "Kerolin Nicoli" prior to this instance of editing her Wikipedia page and I believe that such a clarification would only benefit the general reader. I look forward to hearing everyone's opinion on this. Thanks, Vasil3fonov (talk) 14:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 21, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Prophets of Christianity → Prophets in Christianity – If we search on bible non of the books mentions any prophet as Christians. I think it can be said from a pov of Christians but from a secular pov it should be "Prophets in Christianity" the current title doesn't align with a secular perspective cause most of prophets are from the old testament the Hebrew bible and most of those prophets live before Christianity came it's like Islam claims all of the prophets were Muslim but it's there own pov and Wikipedia uses the term Prophets and messengers in Islam not "of" and same with Prophets in Judaism although lots of the prophets in those Abrahamic religion were ethnicity Jew but none preached or talk about religions like Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Therealbey (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2022–2023 Moldovan energy crisis → 2022 Moldovan energy crisis – The current title is the result of an undiscussed move [26] by PoppysButterflies. I've wondered for a while if this was appropriate. It appears in February the energy crisis was already referred to in past language [27] [28], and even in late January [29]. Energy prices decreased on 1 January 2023 [30], and they had already been decreasing on November 2022 [31]. The gist of the crisis was the reduction of Russian gas supplies to Moldova in October 2022 and its lack of alternatives. The deal with Transnistria to supply all Russian gas there in exchange of cheap electricity was reached in December 2022 [32], so by then government-held Moldova allegedly no longer used Russian gas [33]. Gas supplies through Romania to Moldova too started on December [34], so alternative supplies had been found by then, but I am not aware if this meant Romania was already supplying all of its gas to Moldova as happens today. There were conflicting reports throughtout 2023 as to when exactly had Moldova stopped depending on Russian gas. Though Moldova did receive EU funds to combat the energy crisis in early 2023, maybe this was just to replenish a depleted government budget, as the government handed over compensations for the increase in energy prices [35] (the system was created in October 2022 precisely). Looking through academic articles rather than news reports was unhelpful to decide on a timeframe for me. I am not sure ultimately because I did not follow this energy crisis in the news like I am following this one, and I am also not Moldovan. Nevertheless, I don't see much basis for keeping the current title, which was never elaborated on to begin with. But I'd appreciate it if other users could look into this and comment their own research. Super Ψ Dro 14:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Echites panduratus → Loroco – I have no strong opinion about this proposal. My motivation in submitting this title change for consideration is that I know of the plant solely in connection with the many Salvadorean restaurants in my area that serve pupusas stuffed with it, and in that context it's known as "loroco". So, to me, that's its common name. I wanted to see what ideas others have about ascertaining whether it's the WP:COMMONNAME, in the Wikipedia sense, in the broader realm of relevant sources in English. Largoplazo (talk) 00:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – GeForce 50 series → GeForce RTX 50 series – Including "RTX" in the titles of Wikipedia articles about recent ray-tracing enabled NVIDIA GeForce generations is important for several reasons:
    * Brand Recognition: "RTX" has become synonymous with NVIDIA's ray-tracing technology. By including "RTX" in the title, readers immediately associate the product with NVIDIA's specific technology and branding.
    * Clarity and Specificity: NVIDIA uses "RTX" to distinguish its GPUs that support real-time ray tracing, AI cores and other advanced graphics features from previous generations and competitors' products. Including "RTX" helps clarify which GPUs are equipped with these advanced capabilities.
    * Marketing and Differentiation: NVIDIA heavily markets its RTX GPUs as superior for real-time ray tracing and AI-enhanced graphics processing. Including "RTX" in the title reinforces this marketing message and differentiates NVIDIA's products in a competitive market.
    * Search Engine Optimization (SEO): Including "RTX" in the title improves search engine visibility and makes it easier for users searching specifically for NVIDIA's ray-tracing enabled GPUs to find relevant information quickly.
    Overall, "RTX" is a crucial part of NVIDIA's branding strategy and helps both consumers and enthusiasts identify and understand the advanced capabilities of their GPUs.
    Casting @4202C @LengthyMer @Maxeto0910 @AP 499D25 Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 09:26, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Stanisław Lem and robots → Robots of Stanisław Lem – restore the original title. The article is about robots in the scifi works of Stanislaw Lem and the current title is an unnecessary broadening of the scope. There is nothing else to say about "robots and Lem". And there never will be because Lem is dead and will never have a chance to meet any robot (and he never interacted with robots in the past). I have no idea how this weird title was justified. --Altenmann >talk 02:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Stadion Miejski (Białystok) → Białystok Municipal Stadium – I am submitting this request to revert the article title of the stadium in Białystok to its previous title, Białystok Municipal Stadium in light of recent actions by the user FromCzech. The move to the Polish-language title Stadion Miejski (Białystok) was made unilaterally and appears inconsistent with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically WP:UE. This guideline encourages the use of English translations where appropriate to maintain accessibility for the global readership. FromCzech has argued for the name change without prior discussion, potentially as a reaction to a naming debate on Lokotrans Aréna that I initiated. This recent move does not reflect a consensus, and it also disrupts the established consistency within the "Football venues in Poland" category, where nearly all stadium names are translated into English. Notable examples include Father Władysław Augustynek Stadium, Gdynia Municipal Stadium, Kielce Municipal Stadium, and Raków Municipal Stadium. I urge that the title "Białystok Municipal Stadium" be restored to uphold Wikipedia’s principles of consistency and transparency, while also preventing this matter from being affected by personal disputes or editing motivated by anything other than Wikipedia's editorial standards. Paradygmaty (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – KN-02 Toksa → Hwasong-11 – These cases are similar to Hwasong-7 and Hwasong-10. The Hwasong-7 and Hwasong-10 are commonly referred to using external name given by United States (Rodong/Nodong and Musudan, respectively). These articles using official North Korea desginations. According to a The Hankyoreh article (here), "In many cases, the names given by other countries have entered more common usage than the names given by the countries that actually produced them. This has to do with the practice of most countries declining to give the actual name of missiles in the development stages or actual key use, due to reasons of military secrecy". KN-02, KN-06 and KN-19 have official North Korean designation (Hwasong-11, Pongae-5 and Kumsong-3, respectively), suggesting the revelation of official names. The M142 HIMARS (whose common name is HIMARS), and UGM-133 Trident II (whose common name is Trident II or Trident II D5) using official United States's designations, therefore, it seems unfair for North Korean missile articles to use the US designation (KN-xx) as title, although the official North Korean designations are known. And the common name policy appears to be not suitable for these cases. Therefore, the above articles (KN-02 Toksa, KN-06 and KN-19) should be moved per above. TCU9999 (talk) 04:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kill Bill (SZA song) → Kill Bill (song) – The SZA song has hit the top 5 in several countries, including the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Ireland. In addition, it was nominated for the Grammy Award for Song of the Year and the Grammy Award for Record of the Year.
    There is only one other song with the same name with a Wikipedia article, and that is the Brown Eyed Girls song. The article in question is much shorter with much fewer references, and it has no charting information in the way that the SZA song does.
    Finally, looking at [[64]], the SZA song has over 100x the pageviews as the Brown Eyed Girls song, and with much less time to do so, as the Brown Eyed Girls song had its page created in 2014, and the SZA song was released in 2022.
    For the above reasons, I believe that the SZA song is the primary topic with respect to songs. N0nuun (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Oleg of Drelinia → Oleg of Dereva – "drelinia" appears to be an WP:OR toponym, it is not widely attested in English-language WP:RS. Therefore, as pointed out in 2011 by User:Ghirlandajo, there is no such term as "drelinia". It was a good thing he decided rename the article to "Oleg of the Drevlyans", although that is still not quite what the text says. (Some English literature suggests "Oleg among the Derevlyans", but only for translating this specific sentence in PVL 69.8–9). Nevertheless, in 2018 this was reverted back to "Oleg of Drelinia" by User:Iryna Harpy with the comment revert: Undiscussed move. Drelinia is attested to in English language texts, whether correct or incorrect. Is WP:OR as WP:TITLE. Well, I could find only 1 hit on Google Books (Ase Berit, Rolf Strandskogen 2015, which may have been influenced by this enwiki article), and 0 hits on Google Scholar. So let's get back to the basics. The land in question is simply called Дерева Dereva, which in modern Ukrainian and Russian still simply means "the trees" or "the woods" (plural; in singular wikt:дерево), i.e. "the Woods". * Въ лѣто 6478. Святославъ посади Яропълка въ Кыевѣ, а Ольга въ Деревѣхъ. (PVL 69.8–9 Ostrowski et al. 2003 ** Vŭ lěto 6478. Svyatoslavŭ posadi Yaropolŭka vŭ Kyevŭ, a Olĭga vŭ Derevěkhŭ. *** 6478 (970). Svyatoslav set up Yaropolk in Kiev and Oleg in Dereva. Cross&SW 1953 p. 87 деревѣхъ (derevěkhŭ) is the plural locative of дерево in Old East Slavic. It literally means "in the woods". Sometimes it is nevertheless translated as Derevlyans or some spelling variation of that ethnonym (e.g. Thuis 2015 Derevljanen), but in this case, it is a toponym, referring to a land (Dereva "the Woods") and not to a people (Derevlyans "the Wood-Dwellers"). In 12 cases in total, Cross&SW rendered the toponym as Dereva, and never as "Drelinia". In the incident in which Oleg kills Lyut', Oleg's hunting grounds are similarly called "in the forest", but with a different word: въ лѣсѣ vŭ lěsě (PVL 74.12–14; Cross&SW p. 90). Compare with the next event (1): *В лѣто 6485. Поиде Яропълкъ на Ольга, брата своего, на Деревьску землю. PVL 74.22–23 ** Vŭ lěto 6485. Poide Yaropŭlkŭ na Olĭga, brata svoego, na Derevĭsku zemlyu. *** 6484-6485 (976-977). Yaropolk marched against his brother Oleg into the district of Dereva. p. 90 Compare with a previous event (2): *И послуша ихъ Игорь; иде въ Дерева въ дань. PVL 54.20 ** I poslusha ikhŭ Igorĭ; ide vŭ Dereva vŭ danĭ. *** Igor' heeded their words, and he attacked Dereva in search of tribute. p. 78 Some English-language literature suggests simply Oleg of Dereva, or Oleg Sviatoslavich of Dereva. Going by our own enwiki conventions, we could also go for Oleg, Prince of Dereva, but that has the problem of translating knyaz, which is a whole other discussion that we better avoid. interwikis suggest Oleg Sviatoslavich (Prince of Dereva or Oleg Sviatoslavich (Derevlyan prince) (but those would not conform to enwiki conventions), or simply Oleg Sviatoslavich (but that already redirects to Oleg I of Chernigov). All things considered, Oleg of Dereva is the most obvious title: it conforms to our conventions, it is WP:CONCISE, it is somewhat attested in literature, plus Dereva separately is overwhelmingly attested in English-language literature as the toponym's WP:COMMONNAME. The current title is WP:OR and cannot be maintained anymore, and the other options all have certain problems that Oleg of Dereva does not have. NLeeuw (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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References

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  1. ^ "Ex-Memphis Officer Charged in Tyre Nichols' Death Will Plead Guilty to Murder, Faces 15 Years in Prison".
  2. ^ "A former Memphis officer pleads guilty to charges in Tyre Nichols' beating death". NPR. 2 November 2023.
  3. ^ https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2024-ln6544
  4. ^ https://www.linz.govt.nz/consultations/waimarino
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