Talk:Paris Saint-Germain Academy

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Moved, 22 April 2021, from Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy to Paris Saint-Germain Academy.
Not moved, 12 November 2024, to Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy, see discussion.

Ardian Krasniqi

Can someone tell me please, why isn't Ardian Krasniqi part of PSG squads anymore. In this revision I found that he was removed from the U19s squad. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Am gud at playing football with gud skills. My number :07054199450 PASCHAL AYOGU (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PASCHAL AYOGU: Please don't self promote on Wikipedia. See WP:PROMOTION. Thank you and have a good day. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Players section

If anybody who is editing this page would like to update the "players" section that would be welcome! It's out of date because the last time it was updated was last season (2019-20). I don't feel like doing it so this is just a message to whoever may want to edit it. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 18:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy → Paris Saint-Germain Academy – This seems to be the official name of the academy as per this source from PSG's official website. Additionally, an "academy" is already inherently "youth" in the case of a football club, so there is no need to specify youth academy. Lastly, I don't really see WP:COMMONNAME supporting the current name. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support: both COMMONNAME and the official name. "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" is clearly the common name (200k+ Google hits, compared to only 10k hits for "Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy", which mainly come from mirror websites, and also includes "Paris Saint-Germain's youth academy", which is not the same thing). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I would also change the infobox image to the Academy's specific logo. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Academy is the name, and in European football context, Academy means Youth Academy. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. I also updated the logo as Nehme suggested. RedPatch (talk) 16:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Support as above. Giant Snowman 18:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - yes, other websites drop the 'youth' in this name as well as the large number of search results Google outputs for the new title at 14.9m compared to 1.9m results under the current title. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Saint-Germain Academy → Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy – This is the correct name per this and this. "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" is the name for a program of football camps for children across the world. It's not the name for the actual youth academy of Paris Saint-Germain FC. The old RM was a mistake on my part. The academy is usually called the "youth academy of PSG" or something along those lines most of the time too. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 14:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose as suggested, and instead move to Paris Saint-Germain FC Youth Academy (i.e. including 'FC') to match parent article name. Giant Snowman 19:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least according to Paul Vaurie's first link, FC isn't part of the name of this. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting to generate a more thorough consensus. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support either move, with or without the FC. The current one is just too wrong. Paul Vaurie (talk) 02:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't see a problem with the current title and Paris Saint-Germain FC Youth Academy does not appear to be backed by reliable sources. If there's an article for the global program, this can be revisited. Frost 14:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Academy is incorrect

As asked by Frost, here is an article about what "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" really means. It refers to this. An example is the France one. It's basically a program for children wanting to improve in football. The term "PSG Academy" does not refer to the youth system of Paris Saint-Germain F.C. established in Paris, France. Which is what the article's subject is. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 January 2025

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Paris Saint-Germain Academy → Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy – A November 2024 RM failed, but it's unclear on what grounds. The current title, "Paris Saint-Germain Academy", refers to a program run by PSG for children across the world, giving them an opportunity to do training sessions under the PSG name and to improve on their game. It refers to this, with an example being the "France" academy here. These "schools" run by this "PSG Academy" program are NOT the actual youth academy this article is referring to. This article refers to the players that are in what is called in French the centre de formation, and by extension, those in the préformation. The article is referring to the players actually in PSG's youth system that ultimately goes up to the club's first team. And this youth system is NOT known by the name "Paris Saint-Germain Academy", both in sourcing and especially not by the club itself. The club calls its youth academy the centre de formation here, which it itself translates to "Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy" on the same page in English. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 12:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TiggerJay (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I had to re-open this RM because I firmly believe that the current name is wrong, since "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" refers to an entirely different thing than what the article describes. I don't ultimately care what the article is moved to, it just needs a different title. I just know that this one is incorrect. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 17:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as suggested, and instead move to Paris Saint-Germain FC Youth Academy (i.e. including 'FC') to match parent article name - as per my comment at the last RM. Giant Snowman 17:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: GSM’s suggestion to gain consensus. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 12:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I can't see any reasons given that would reverse the consensus formed in the 2021 RM above, which showed that the English language common name did not include "Youth".

Spike 'em (talk) 20:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Spike 'em: I don't believe that's what it showed. That's not what the rationale for the move was in my erroneous argument at the time. I mistakenly thought the global "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" program referred to the club's youth academy at the time. It doesn't. The initial move is invalid and wrong. COMMONNAME has not been established yet. Paul Vaurie (talk) 08:56, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are 3 comments in RM above, including your own, that refer or allude to WP:COMMONNAME:

Lastly, I don't really see WP:COMMONNAME supporting the current name;

Support: both COMMONNAME and the official name. "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" is clearly the common name;

Support - yes, other websites drop the 'youth' in this name as well as the large number of search results Google outputs for the new title at 14.9m compared to 1.9m results under the current title

Until you can show that the majority of English language sources refer to it as "Youth Academy" I will not be changing my view: WP:OFFICIALNAME is not always the best name for an article. You may now consider that you were wrong in 2021, but 7 others agreed with you then, so you need to overturn that consensus. Spike 'em (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Spike 'em: I believe that no coherent argument was ever made that "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" was the COMMONNAME, and I wasn't arguing from this position of the move. As for my comment about it, I alluded to it but did not explicitly state that "Paris Saint-Germain Academy" was the common name, just that "Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy" wasn't. (That was what I said at the time.)
If you want to actually look at sourcing, you're going to see that most sourcing says "Paris Saint-Germain's youth academy", like this, or "youth academy of PSG" like this. Some even say "PSG Youth Academy" like this. All of these articles were on the first news page when I searched up "PSG Academy" and "PSG Youth Academy". But yeah although COMMONNAME holds more weight ultimately, I don't really know if there really is a standard, common name used all-around that is the same. Going by the official name Youth Academy makes the most sense in this case. The club communicates and presents it as the "Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy", like 1, 2, 3. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to overturn the consensus gained above. Even if I were to withdraw my objection, it is still just you in favour of the move. Spike 'em (talk) 08:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The "consensus" above was based on a false argument. And the consensus to move didn't establish a COMMONNAME. No sources were cited to support COMMONNAME, just mere thoughts/claims were presented. There is nothing to "overturn" since the consensus has no substance and no move should have happened due to no sources being provided. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that is your interpretation of it. We'll have to leave it for a disinterested person to decide if there is sufficient rational to revert to the previous name. Spike 'em (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was the one who made an initial RM to move the page to the current title, which I contend was wrong based on my rationale. Paul Vaurie (talk) 08:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Pinging recent editors of the article to generate discussion. @DroopyDoggy, Cocô53, Mx.krv, Mattythewhite, Sumanuil, Zinnober9, Billjones94, Kokoeist, Inwind, and Paine Ellsworth:. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OPPOSE: I think 'Paris Saint-Germain Academy' as a name of the article, is much more compact and appropriate! Billjones94 (talk) 05:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Billjones94: On what grounds? What Wikipedia policy says this? Did you even read the RM proposal? Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLUDGEON. You invited people here to talk, and then argue with every one who can be bothered. Spike 'em (talk) 13:56, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting as their is still active discussion, will also ping those who participated in prior RMs since only pinging those who contributed to the article but not the talk page isn't really APPNOTE. TiggerJay (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

* Pinging all article page participants (excluding those who have already been pinged or those who wouldn't otherwise qualify): @Frost: @Nehme1499: @Adumbrativus: @Iggy the Swan: @REDMAN 2019: @RedPatch: @FrenchFootball: @Fodbold-fan:. TiggerJay (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I Don't know much about COMMONNAME in this instance however it does seem that there are two distinct bodies here. The Paris Saint-Germain Academy which is global and aimed primarily at younger children with a view to bringing them into the club itself, and the Paris Saint-Germain Youth Academy which feeds directly into the first team of the club. Considering this I'd support a page move, although I agree with GiantSnowman that it should be Paris Saint-Germain FC Youth Academy as that is true to the actual name of the club and in line with the main club article. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 16:38, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]