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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Tomorrow's FA

North Carolina is linked twice. Jay8g [V•T•E] 20:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

 Fixed! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:50, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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Should the caption really be linked? SL93 (talk) 00:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

With regards to the Mosawo hook, dhouldn't it be "sang from a female perspective" rather than "sang in a female perspective"? Tenpop421 (talk) 01:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Next DYK

Fang Rending -- shouldn't this say a caged chicken? That's what the article says, and it seems to read better. Jay8g [V•T•E] 20:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree. SL93 (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Done. RoySmith (talk) 23:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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The first sentence should say "species of hummingbird". Jay8g [V•T•E] 21:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

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Your articles (stub) about the village of Bulgaria does not have interwiki, for example http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Lisovo . Please improve Drzewianin (talk) 06:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. GRAPPLE X 12:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Fixed Lisovo. --GRuban (talk) 16:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Why is this on Talk:Main Page? --142.1.32.35 (talk) 01:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Boobys on the front page? Really this is too far.

Birds should be banned from the main page for a month at least 24.136.136.42 (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

LOL at section heading...but why should we ban birds? LonelyBoy2012 (talk) 02:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

At least it was the Nazca Booby and not a Nascar booby... HandsomeNick (TALK) (EDITS) 05:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't anyone confused by the fact that the photo was missing from the main article on the day it appeared as PoTD? --101.108.236.190 (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

What does 12-33 mean?

It says Rutgers coaches combined for a record of 12–33? What on earth does 12-33 mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.245.213 (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Standard sports notation: 12 games won, 33 games lost. Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

This would be foreign to many English speakers. We should change the name of en:wikipedia to us:wikipedia ):. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.245.213 (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

If you think that our main page hasn't contained sport items that most Americans would find incomprehensible, you're mistaken. —David Levy 04:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not "standard notation" on this side of the Atlantic. doktorb _words^deeds 21:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

What would the notation be on the East Side of the Atlantic? 216.93.234.239 (talk) 00:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

European sports tend not to worry about win/loss ratios. Most are organised in leagues, you'll hear the Premier League or IFA Premiership refer to points totals intead (with 3 for a win, 1 for a draw, "XX is sitting on 42 points" is standard); other sports like hurling or real football use relatively simple knockout-style tournaments for their big events so it's simply a case of reporting who won. Wins versus losses with no other context doesn't often come into sports here. GRAPPLE X 00:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

So the IP is saying that a hook on European sports should not use that parlance as it's not common in North America? I don't see what the problem is, if Americans/Canadians are interested they'll click the link, no? I don't forecast complaints about this becoming gb.wikipedia. I must be missing something... PhnomPencil (✉) 02:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

No, I believe they're stating it's not common outside North America, rather in not being common in it. At the end of the day it'll be argued that "North American content = North American usage" but something wholly universal ("twelve wins and thirty-three losses", "winning less than a quarter of their games", etc) could easily be produced. GRAPPLE X 02:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Would it not just be simple enough to state "a 12–33 win–loss record" and appease everyone? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 04:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Well that would help, but as has been mentioned, we don't really measure things in the same way over here, so it's not just something which looks unnatural, it sounds unnatural too. I think this is another case where the "en" bit of en.wikipedia can't cope with the differences in culture. doktorb _words^deeds 10:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I've come across this problem before; it is indeed utterly incomprehensible to anyone unfamiliar with North American sport. The simple solution would be to have an article which explains the win-loss-(draw) notation so we could link to it. But I've been unable to find one, or any reliable sources to base one on. Also, that hook uses 'record' in completely the wrong way (it's not a record). Modest Genius ^talk 10:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Interestingly, Win-loss record is simply a redirect to Winning percentage, which assumes knowledge of the notation, and is only marginally related. And it is a record, in the sense of "to record", as opposed to the other common sport-related usage. (So definition 1 of [1], as opposed to definition 5.) -- 205.175.124.30 (talk) 21:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this is aproblem. I generally feel that local topics should use local style, as is the general intent of WP:ENGVAR. But as with a few other DYK hooks lately, this usage is sufficiently opaque to those outside the affected area that a clarification would have been really helpful. ETA: I would expect cricket results to say 'X runs for Y wickets' rather than the usual 'X for Y', for the same reason. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't get us started on whether "wickets" or "runs" should go first! ;-). Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC).

I suppose to us Americans, where in most of our sports the won-loss record is what it's all about, the notation is so obvious that we wouldn't even think that it would be a problem. That's probably why it was put in as it was. Here is a page that translates wins and losses to w-l and w-l to 12-33: http://www.nettally.com/jcarr/Baseball/region/1998.html. By the way, if cricket results say "X runs for Y wickets," they will be completely meaningless to almost all Americans. Watching BBC sports' results for cricket is like watching a report in Mongolian for me (except that I sometimes understand what the Mongolian reports are driving at). So, thanks for calling the issue to our attention. . . and try to be as aware of our blind-spots as well. Kdammers (talk) 13:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Whatever do you mean? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/hi/english/static/cricket/statistics/scorecards/2012/12/87695/html/scorecard.stm :) doktorb _words^deeds 13:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

There' a difference, though, between regional jargon and sport-specific jargon. If you don't follow association football, then the term "offside" might not mean a thing to you at all, but it's the same in every country that plays the sport. The win-loss ratio is regional, and is used in its home region in sports that don't use it elsewhere. 600 run for 9 wickets is universally understood in cricket no matter where it's played, 22-34 isn't. I suppose it would be equivalent to car-related article using horsepower (universal standard but perhaps not known to the layman) versus using "bonnet" or "hood". GRAPPLE X 14:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Boxing, I presume, is quite popular on both sides of the Atlantic (and Pacific), and boxers are usually noted by their win-loss record (such as Wladimir Klitschko having a 59-3-3 record). Unless of course, boxing is an American sport. This should not have been the first time Europeans have come across such notation. –HTD 15:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Again, any time boxing is reported here, those stats are usually given in full, not in that brief notation—Klitschko would be described as having a record of "59 wins and 3 losses", rather than "59-3" (not sure where your second 3 is coming from though, which I guess again goes against raw number notation and in favour of more prose). GRAPPLE X 15:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Dunno if there had been boxing-related DYKs, but with the limited number of characters, it's bound to happen that their boxing records, if it's included in the hook/blurb, be noted in that "brief" notation, such as "Boxer A, which had a 4-9 record before the fight, surprised Boxer B when he knocked B out."

As for the second "3", I mixed it up; I thought Klitschko had 3 draws. Interestingly, European notation puts the number of draws in between the wins and losses, but British boxer Lennox Lewis states his record as "41-2-1" and not "41-1-2". –HTD 15:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

And how does each region show soccer results? Where do the draws go? HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Only ever listed in tables, like this: [2] (not always split between home and away though). Modest Genius ^talk 22:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

As stated earlier, soccer "team standings" are never listed in "W-D-L" or "W-L-D" but in points notation. If ever a DYK about a soccer team gets in, it's always "Arsenal, which was 10 points behind Chelsea..." instead of "Arsenal, with a 3-1-6 record..." or even "Arsenal, which is 4 games behind...".

I dunno if how soccer denotes these things should come into play into how American football does theirs. If we're into making things easier to understand for European readers, we might as well ditch cricket blurbs as they don't mean anything to anyone except for like 8 (if WI is one "country") countries. –HTD 10:19, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

There are 104 member countries in the International Cricket Council. See also Cricket#International_structure --Dweller (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Never let a little matter like facts get in the way of a 'good' argument. The West Indies is one cricket team representing 15 countries.

There are 10 teams (counting the West Indies as one) at the top tier of cricket not the eight you alluded to. One of those being India with the world's second largest population and where English is an official language.

There are over 100 countries that are members of the ICC.

Finally, following your 'logic' rigourously we would omit all reference to basketball because it is only played in one country.

FerdinandFrog (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah so OK, it's ten instead of 8. I was off by 2 lol. Outside of those ten countries cricket has very little presence. There aren't event categories for cricketers in South Korea or Mexico, for example. The people at Chilean cricketers are all dead, and don't even have entries in the Spanish Wikipedia.

As for basketball, I wonder what country that is? Lithuania or Latvia (which neither, in ICC's view, play official cricket matches)?

BTW, has any one any ideas on how to go about this eh... "problem"? Do we start banning blurbs that use the "W-L" notation, and anything else that is too foreign for a significant amount of Wikipedia's audience, at the Main Page? Do we link it to a relevant article? Linking doesn't really help most of the time, as shown above. –HTD 18:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The "England" team also represents Wales, so there's another country. And there are another six teams that regularly play two of the three formats of top-level international cricket, and many others that occasionally do, as outlined in Cricket#International_structure. --Dweller (talk) 18:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh good. England and Wales are 2 countries; I figured the Irish team represents both ROI and NI. Looking at the Cricket World Cup, there had been 19 countries that had participated in the final tournament since 1975; compare that to FIFA's 76, and to think the Cricket World Cup has been billed as the "second most largest sporting event". The qualifying is so important, those ten teams didn't have to qualify (I dunno which other "world cup" automatically reserves so many berths... maybe rugby's.). The final of the 2009 tournament should've been big news to the losing finalist, Canada, but it's not in the archives of The Globe and Mail. –HTD 18:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Canada have never appeared in the Cricket World Cup final and there was no competition in 2009, it being held every four years, most recently in 2011 and 2007. See List_of_ICC_Cricket_World_Cup_finals#List_of_finals. --Dweller (talk) 18:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I was referring to the final of the qualifying tournament. Canada has appeared in men's world cups/championships in soccer, hockey (ice and field), rugby union, basketball, volleyball and baseball... but never in cricket or rugby league. Guess they didn't care enough. Can you imagine Canadians whacking their heads reading those cricket blurbs yet they haven't complained here... –HTD 18:51, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

(reindent) More to my last point, it seems what would-be Americans or Canadians either don't read blurbs that don't interest them, or are just confused, don't complain, and don't bother/avoid reading a similar blurb again; meanwhile those blurbs that concerns Americans (or Canadians) would occasionally have someone complain either of US bias, or "not this again" (screw Gibraltar DYK haters, as those are nice; there should be a moratorium on Michigan football blurbs.), or "I can't make out what it is trying to say." That either means would-be Americans (or Canadians) either don't complain that much or are easily disinterested, or non-Americans want to know about US culture... yeah right. And I still have to see a feasible solution to the problem. –HTD 19:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Why not put it in a style everyone can understand universally? I can't see the logic of the resistance to this. Surely we are trying to make information as easily understandable and accessible to as wide an audience as possible? Lots of readers don't understand 12-33. I don't. It just takes a few more characters to put it in a form that makes sense to everyone, rather than one group of users. 86.134.92.33 (talk) 14:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

As stated earlier, writing it as "x wins and y losses" doesn't really help as team/athlete performance is usually not denoted by wins and losses in those countries... unless you're into boxing and probably other combat sports. There's no "universal" notation (I'd actually argue wins-losses should be the "universal" notation as it it the simplest way in denoting how good a team is, without computing 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss.) Also, it lengthens the blurb and if there are limits to how long the blurb is, it compromises how the hook would've been formulated.

BTW, if you're into cricket, you should've seen the "W-L" notation before, as seen on 2010–11 Ashes series: "England won the 5-Test series 3–1". –HTD 01:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

See, it's obviously an Americanism then, because cricket is really not known in England. --Jayron32 02:06, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for bashing the great history of Chilean cricket then. I should've realized earlier that it holds the key to all of this. Now unless you'd exclusively watch soccer or rugby then you wouldn't have seen notation at all. –HTD 02:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

To thoroughly muddy the waters, consider the records of racehorses: Bayakoa, a great Argentine horse (later sold to Americans): "Record 39: 29-1-0", Miesque (mostly European races): "Record 16: 12-3-1" and Brigadier Gerard (British): "Record 18: 17-1-0" in Wikipedia. The Boat Race article does not give W-L per se but very definitely focuses on the number of wins each of the two teams has accrued. But I think it's time this discussion gets moved to the Village Pump. Kdammers (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination

There is a discussion underway at DYK to discuss whether or not to commemorate Dr. Blofeld's 1000th DYK as a special Christmas DYK. Please leave your opinion there. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Subject of Today's Featured Article

I moved this thread from WP:ERRORS to here. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Could a more disgusting article be selected for the Main Page? Do we need to subject worldwide readers of all ages to the coarsest of American culture? How about "how to dismember a murder victim", or "how to bring a woman to orgasm" for tomorrow's main page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.119.156.229 (talk) 17:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

"how to bring a woman to orgasm" is a valuable life skill which we should be encouraging as many readers (of both sexes) to learn about as possible. Modest Genius ^talk 18:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the above poster. While the featured article may be factually correct I find little value to having such an article either be: a) a featured article or b)featured on the main page. One need not look much further than our main page today to see a portrait of what ails society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.18.254.106 (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

For the discussions about running the article today, please read Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo. For details on what the criteria for featured articles and how they are given featured status, see Wikipedia:Featured article criteria and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. For details of how "today's featured article" is chosen, see the requests page and its instructions, with further links.

The underlying quality or otherwise of the subject matter is not relevant to the award of featured article status. In other words, poor-quality articles can be written about "good things", and excellent articles can be written about "bad things". Few people would be able to agree on what "bad things" are in the first place, and Wikipedia adopts a neutral point of view and is not censored. If you have specific criticisms of the article, apart from its very existence, that would help to improve it, then Talk:Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo is the place to raise them. Bencherlite^Talk 18:12, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Another tasteless featured article. Is it not time to finally have a conversation about this? Can't we enact some standard of censorship for the sake of decency? And I don't just mean cultural decency; I mean universal decency. This should be an obvious candidate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.71.187 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I find whining and crying about a topic that amounts to nothing worth wasting brain cells on more offensive than anything. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 20:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I propose we place a placebo button at the top of this page along the lines of "Complain about something featured on today's Main Page". A user who clicks the icon can then type a message that will be sent to no-one, but will at least make them feel that their voice has been heard. Jinjibïar (talk) 20:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Can't say that it is something I particularly like to see, but given the subject matter, it is treated in a remarkably restrained and responsible matter in the blurb. The puerile will scuttle off to read the article, the sensitive will bristle with umbrage, and the sensible will hope for something of greater valkue tomorrow. Kevin McE (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - This is a new low for Wikipedia and I am ashamed and embarrassed to be a part of this project right now. I am an academic with years of education...and may I say it...class. This is not the face of an encyclopedia. I am appalled. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I assume you read the article and the encyclopedic treatment of the episode therein? Or is it just the word "poo" on the main page you didn't "academically" like? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
    • There's no reason for South Park to be on the main page. Wikipedia is an experiment in academia, not an indiscriminate collection of cultural schlock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.71.187 (talk) 21:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia is an experiment in many things, actually. Among them is encyclopedic treatment of topics you will not find in a traditional encyclopedia. Our main page reflects that, as this month's list of TFAs includes other pop-culture topics (Final Fantasy is running tomorrow), sports people and associations, major historical people (William the Conqueror is upcoming), and other subject areas. This article is no different, and deserves to be treated no differently. Which is to say, it is a valid topic for the main page, even if some people find the topic matter distasteful. Resolute 21:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
      • (e/c) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for everyone, including people who like South Park. Once again, have you read the article or are you just reacting to the word "poo"? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
      • Regardless of how much "an experiment in academia" Wikipedia is, the concept that South Park is not a fitting subject for academic discussion would be news to Boston College's Lisa Patel Stevens ("South Park and society: Curricular implications of popular culture in the classroom."), University of Louisville's Bronwyn Williams ("What South Park Character Are You?”: Popular Culture, Literacy, and Online Performances of Identity"), and University of Illinois at Chicago's Judith Kegan Gardiner ("South Park, Blue Men, Anality, and Market Masculinity"), among others (they're just from the first two pages of a quick Google Scholar search). People who loudly declaim "this is not a fitting subject for an academic to study/concern themselves with" tend to come off looking rather provincial. -- 205.175.124.30 (talk) 04:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
  • A lot of us are academics with years of education (indeed, I think I have 25, from junior kindergarten to the end of my Ph.D.), but the complaining is far more embarrassing to the project than the article, which is perfectly cromulent. That particular episode of South Park is unwatchably bad (indeed, as most are), but the article is a necessary part of the encyclopaedia. If we were writing only about stodgy subjects in a dry tone, there're be only a handful of editors, virtually no readers, and only a paltry few articles. Articles like this are what makes Wikipedia a valuable resource - articles on more "traditional" subjects only duplicate what we can find elsewhere anyways. WilyD 22:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • If I may politely suggest any experienced users unhappy with the TFAs nominate -- or review -- a Featured Article of their own. Only 0.09 percent of the wiki is of that quality, and article reviews at all levels are pressed with backlogs, as usual. —Ed!^(talk) 22:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
• And now it's over. I was hoping for some more complaints, just to read The Rambling Man's response. freshacconci talktalk 00:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Just be glad it wasn't run on December 25, as was originally suggested... Modest Genius ^talk 01:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I think, and I say this lightly without wanting to start anything mega, but I think what people are trying to say here is that it seems so easy for the recent, recent as in last century, crass toilet humor type cultural crap to get displayed, but you know, it's never the actual proper cultural stuff from a while ago, like before movies and TV and video games were invented, I mean there are so many crap movies, TV episodes and video games out there but you'd never open up the wikipedia on your desk or hand or wherever and think, my god, today it's another of Beethoven's symphonies or another of Ibsen's snoring boring old plays - ANOTHER ONE? what are these people on? are they on drugs or something? Are they for real, why do they keep shoving this Ibsen guy in our faces, when was he last relevant? - because there probably never has been one in the first place, or if there has been it's probably not been very recently, so maybe a bit of variety is what the academic people are looking for, maybe they're feeling a little squeezed out, and maybe then when they get that they might not kick up such a stink about a piece of poo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.107.33 (talk) 01:28, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Then perhaps they should write, review or nominate article; standing at the sideline until it's your turn to shout "rabble rabble rabble" isn't going to create quality content, it'll just embitter those who put their own free time into creating it for you. If you feel that A Doll's House, Peer Gynt or Hedda Gabbler should be featured, then the best way to ensure it is to contribute. GRAPPLE X 01:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

There's a question of volume. The number of notable works has exploded in the last century. To get the sort of artificial balance you're hoping for there would need to be a strong selection bias against modern, popular works. APL (talk) 05:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Lets try and get Cartman Joins NAMBLA on the mainpage. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 07:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I object strongly to seeing the coarsest of American culture here. It's time we stopped being so US-centric and found some coarse culture from elsewhere in the world. HiLo48 (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I strongly object to the crazy idea that the English Wikipedia shouldn't focus on English culture and language topics. If you want to read about Wazoo's culture and language then go look at Wazoo's web site. Malleus Fatuorum 08:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Well I thought it was great. I learnt quite a lot of interesting things from the article, and seeing "poo" solemnly and seriously rendered on the main page was if anything an affirmation of the maturity and taste of the community here. It's to Wikipedia's credit that it doesn't shy away from its comprehensive encyclopedic mission. I really don't understand many of the objections here. People are invoking words like "taste", "decency", "class", "disgusting", "crass". I know, let's have a competition to find as many ways as possible to say "I don't like it"! --Noiratsi (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Up with this I will not put!--WaltCip (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Noiratsi likes this. 17:30, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's get this Mozart-related article up to Featured Article status. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 03:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Be our guest.--WaltCip (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm rather disappointed that someone hasn't written an essay by now about how South Park generates a storm of complaints every time it gets featured on the Main Page. --125.25.154.4 (talk) 08:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

My bad. It didn't in 2008. --125.25.154.4 (talk) 08:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

'Usual comment.' :)

Until 'the proverbial someone' designs 'main pages with different themes' from which one can select (including 'the media', 'American theme', 'sports', 'the natural world' and 'yuck') we will have to put up with this discussion. Jackiespeel (talk) 10:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Those are called portals. —howcheng {chat} 17:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Can they be offered more visibly, so that 'conversations of this nature' can be minimised?

Possibly 'unsigned in = vanilla/worksafe/public access terminal safe' and 'select from various options on signing in' Jackiespeel (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Why do we want to minimise 'conversations of this nature'? They're fun! HiLo48 (talk) 19:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

What is defined as worksafe? What is defined as culturally acceptable? For instance, what if the prophet Muhammad became today's featured article and an artistic depiction was shown? Where is the line drawn?--WaltCip (talk) 21:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

There are massive differences around the world as to what is culturally acceptable. Naked boobs are regularly featured on Page Three of several of Rupert Murdoch's British newspapers, obviously visible to children of all ages, but put them here and some will want to close us down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs) 04:03, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The portals are already in the main title section, to the right of "Welcome to Wikipedia". —howcheng {chat} 07:38, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

For those wondering why 2012 phenomenon is today's featured article on December 20

The relevant discussion is here. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Obviously, it's because the world will cease to exist tomorrow, so there's no point in running it then! --Jayron32 04:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to have to put Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests on my watch list and pay more attention so I don't get blindsided by this kind of low quality content in the future. --Keithonearth (talk) 06:50, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

It is quite a credible article, tbh. Low quality ≠ pop culture articles. –HTD 06:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Display of the number of articles overdone and wrong

It has been raised multiple times that (a) the number of English Wikipedia articles is duplicated on the main page, that (b) it shouldn't be on the top of the page as it puts too much emphasis on a valueless quantitative measure and that (c) is a wrong number not reflecting the real number of articles. These problems are coming up again and again, now with a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#"4,122,002 articles in English" pointing out that disambiguation pages are included in the current count. If we continue to not be able to solve such simple issues, don't be surprised the number of editors is diminishing. --ELEKHH^T 07:31, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. I'd leave when someone puts words into my mouth (or more accurately, thoughts to my mind). –HTD 08:19, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Worlds End State Park featured article

Very good. Currently removing coffee from screen and keyboard ... 86.134.92.33 (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I noticed that. Someone has a finely tuned sense of "I told you so"s today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Perfect choice! HiLo48 (talk) 08:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)