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Why my page was rejected?[edit]

Why my page was rejected? I know there is another draft that I started previously with another login (@limanarui33). what happend is that the password is ALWAYS given error. I tried to talk to someone but it´s really difficult to understand how. For that reason I created a new login (@limanarui33.1982) and restarted. At this point I can say the innitially page can be deleted but I cannot understyand how. I also cannot edit the title to remove Professor. I also cannot add the photo. Can you help me? Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Limanarui33.1982 Hello and welcome. Your draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted.
Photos are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. You don't need to worry about images until the draft is accepted into the encyclopedia. New accounts cannot upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the photo yourself, or it was released under a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's(allowing for reuse by anyone for any purpose with attribution), you may upload it to Commons; see WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Limanarui33.1982 There is Draft:Changzhi Li and Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor. Decide which one you are going to try to improve and ignore the other. Don't worry about the title while in Draft, that can be fixed if and when accepted. At present, you are a long way off reaching the necessary standard. See WP:BLP and H:YFA for more guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I want to keep the Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor.
I used other personal pages as examples that dont even have any reference. I´m not understandig what should I change exacly.
If may say so, there is too much information in the guidance and it turns out to be confusing.
I´ll try. Thank you for your support.
Mana Rui Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. As you have found, there is a lot to learn. It is usually recommended that newer users first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I copy the model of existing on line pages. For that reason I can not understand why my page is not accepeted. Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Limanarui33.1982 I note that the article has now been accepted at Changzhi Li, so well done. It still needs work and additional citations. For example, you say [he was] guest editor for various academic journals and publications. Much better if you could be specific: which in your opinion is/are the most prestigious and can you provide citations, which can be as simple as the journal's homepage at the time his name was there. (The Wayback Machine can provide old links if he is no longer their editor). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! thankyou. I´ll keep improving. thank you for all the feedback! (talk) 12:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please make sure you are logged in when you do, as IP edits can't be later credited to your account in the article's history (although you could claim on your account's userpage that you had edited from that IP). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1- Ok. i understood as soon as I reply thata was not logged in. sorry.
2- Cncerning the sentence "guest editor for various academic journals and publication", it is true(a long list) but is not detailled because the list of previous editors of academic journals are not available on their web sites, so I can not indicate any references. Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Limanarui33.1982 Finding sources is a learned skill that Wikipedia editing relies on. What, in your opinion, is the single longest/most important editorship he held? If you mention it here I'm sure that I or someone else will find a suitable citation. We even have a Reference desk where people can seek help with finding such information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism and Edit warring[edit]

Hello, i need help on this article Djong (ship), where this user @Nitekuzee keep reverting my edits based on his own unsourced beliefs about the article, i don't know how to deal with this, and the edits were definitely vandalism, the user didn't want to argue and provide any evidence on the talk page but keep stating their own biased belief on the revert section over and over again, the user's talk page has warnings of them making disruptive edits. Thank you! Merzostin (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Merzostin, please read WP:3RR. Neither of you should be reverting each other's edits past the third revert, and should instead be discussing this on the talk page. If they continue edit warring, then you may file a report at WP:AN/3, though you should discuss with the user on the talk page first.
Remember that a page can always be restored to an earlier version, and it is not imperative that your preferred revision is always reverted to. – Isochrone (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i understand, but i thought it's fine to revert obvious Vandalism, this users reverts were based on their own beliefs alone with no source or reference and they didn't engage in the talk page, where i already provided my evidence for the problematic quote (they used description of Chinese ships and passed it off as Javanese ships) Merzostin (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Merzostin as mentioned below, a difference of opinions does not constitute vandalism. As you will see on the above page, only obvious vandalism can be reverted as many times as needed. Here, both of you must stop reverting as there have been more than three reverts. On the talk page, you should ping the user with {{ping}} so they are notified of the discussion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
okay, i will try that, although from their comments and lack of response to many warnings on their talk page, what should i do next if they didn't respond or engage, may i restore the article? Merzostin (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Merzostin you should follow the steps at WP:Edit warring#Handling of edit-warring behaviors, and if all else fails, report the user on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring board. Please note that if you do so, your edits will also be looked at. – Isochrone (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thank you for your assistance, one more thing
i read about third person opinion, where they can review the evidence and reach consensus, how do i do that or can i just tag someone from this page? Merzostin (talk) 21:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Merzostin you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Third opinion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Long story short, i tried to have argument in Talk:Djong (ship)#Zhou Qufei, Lingwai Daida. i've already provided all evidence while Nitekuzee might not be sane, you can see his replies which didn't even correlate to our topic, and he continue to comment the same irrelevant thing over and over again, while providing 0 credible evidence, making clearer than his reverts were always obvious vandalism.
i don't know why it's so hard to remove this obvious misinformation, i've already applied for third opinion, but denied because there is more than 2 participants, even though the other one only left one comments i applied for dispute resolution, but i doubt Nitekuzee would even participate, so again another road end.. if you can assist me in this matter, i would appreciate it Merzostin (talk) 07:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Merzostin, you may want to opt to use the dispute resolution board, but please note it requires the active participation of both parties. You might also want to leave {{Please see}} messages on the talk pages of relevant wiki projects to solicit more views, so more people can participate in the discussion. As a last resort, you may request a WP:RFC for the discussion. I note that your replies are getting a bit heated. Remember that there is no deadline, and you might want to take a step back from a dispute for a bit and return later. – Isochrone (talk) 09:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok thank you, i think yes i'm a bit heated because how can anyone want to defend clear misinformation and it's really hard to take down obvious misinformation, i find that the process could allow more of this things happenings (Nitekuzee really told me to open youtube comments as his evidence, how can i not be heated lol) Merzostin (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
before this was archived, may i ask if i can send (personally) RfC notice to people from the category list since haven't got any participants and i checked some from the category it didn't reach their talk page (even though they can receive 10 notice or more), thank you. Merzostin (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Merzostin It should automatically send messages-- you should not manually inform users. – Isochrone (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
understood, can anyone participate in RfC or it should only be someone who already agreed to join RfC? for example, can you participate? Merzostin (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Merzostin, Nitekuzee: "vandalism" does not mean "expressing an opinion that I disagree with". Please both see WP:VANDAL for how the word should be used here on Wikipedia. If you continue edit-warring, you both risk being banned from editing. Instead you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When to remove the Orphan Template[edit]

I have expanded an article to un-orphan another article. Does one connection suffice to remove the orphan warning template at the top, or should more be established? The previously orphaned article in question is SAP Anywhere ElizabethIsAlive (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can remove it if there is at least one link. By the way, you should probably add a citation to the addition you made to the other page just so the section and link don't get removed. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ElizabethIsAlive - "Once it has an incoming link from at least one article or list, the orphan tag can be removed (disambiguation pages, redirects and draft articles do not count)." Quoted from banner on one the monthly backlog categories. More info at Wikipedia:Orphan. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But WP:ORPHAN also states: More colloquially, editors also sometimes use "orphan" to refer to pages that do not have as many incoming links as they ought to, even if they do not meet the technical definition for orphan status. The Banner talk 19:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's true, but it basically means one link needed, though Mrfoogles (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I have a photo that I would like to upload to a page, but Wikipedia will not allow it. How may I upload the image? Thank you. Rmavila2024 (talk) 00:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rmavila2024 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot directly upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the image yourself, it is already in the public domain(due to its age or being, for example, a work of the US federal government), or you can prove it has been released with a copyright allowing for reuse for any purpose with attribution, you may upload it to Commons. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! 2605:59C8:31EB:E910:C75:D2F:5D18:6BF8 (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rmavila2024: you triggered an automated warning by trying to upload a small resolution image as a new user. As you have claimed this image as your own work (meaning that you held the camera and took the photograph) you probably have a higher resolution version from your camera which should work. MKFI (talk) 06:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is an original photograph that includes my grandfather among other professors of Adamson University. If I understand you correctly, the issue is due to the image resolution not being high enough?
Thank you. 2605:59C8:31EB:E910:C75:D2F:5D18:6BF8 (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft resubmission[edit]


I'm writing to request help with a draft I've been working on for the past two weeks. I recently added some requested changes and am awaiting feedback. Could you tell me what I need to do next? I hit publish so other reviewers should be able to get in touch. I was not able to reach my assigned reviewer.

Thank you, Divya Divyan87 (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:P.K. Narayana Pillai has been declined three times (and submitted a fourth). Reviewers have given reasons as part of the review, and also more detail on your Talk page. There is no such practice as an "assigned reviewer", although in the history of this draft, the same reviewer is responsible for the three Declined. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @David notMD I'm seeing the following message on my home page: "Your mentor: We’ve assigned you an experienced editor to answer your questions about editing. Learn more about mentors." I was assigned to Festucalex. Perhaps they have a different function. Divyan87 (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, mentors are assigned at random to a subset of new editors, but are not AfC Reviewers. David notMD (talk) 01:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a hypothetical questions about Freedom Caucus?[edit]

What If Freedom Caucus was a hypothetical European political party? would it belong to Identity and Democracy Party or European Conservatives and Reformists? If so, why do you think it would belong to the party. I am willing to hear your opinion and explanation why. (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! That's not really relevant to Wikipedia; we answer questions about Wikipedia here. If you have any questions relating to editing or other aspects of the project, that's the purpose of this page. Happy editing ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be perfectly clear, speculation by editors is not permitted on Wikipedia. The role of Wikipedia editors is to summarize what reliable sources say. Nothing more and nothing less. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, If I was going off topic. I was curious to sees, but I promise to stay on topic and uses Teahouse properly. (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I have a hypothetical question, where should I go to? (talk) 03:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, why does anonymous numbers change every time? (talk) 03:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you're editing on an IP, which are reassigned periodically. as for your other question, you're welcome to ask hypothetical questions of that nature elsewhere on the internet, like Reddit, but you should keep things relevant to Wikipedia here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, but I unfortunately have no reddit account and I want to hear if Freedom Caucus would belong to ID party or ECR party. (talk) 03:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you're not going to get an answer here ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You know what? I actually chose CER for Freedom Caucus. 
  1. Both support economic freedom and limited government. 
  2. Social Conservatism is also common with ECR like Brothers of Italy. 
  3. Both support national identity. 
  4. ECR and Freedom Caucus have devolution of power. 
  5. Freedom Caucus and European Conservatives & Reformists also have right-wing populism like Law & Justice (Poland), JA21 (The Netherlands), Sweden Democrats (Sweden) and Vox (Spain).
So, therefore, it would be more likely to be European Conservatives & Reformist if Freedom Caucus were an European party. (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this isn't the place to ask this type of question. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 04:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opps, sorry. (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the difference between liberalism and social liberalism as I noticed that some ideology has the same meaning that I removed them, ex. in Swiss People's Party, swiss nationalism, national conservatism and anti-immigration have the same meaning, so I removed these.  I was told that we have to keep Political Parties' articles simple in its template and ideologies. How do I carefully removed something from templates, so it will not get messed up. (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you edit too much, can you get blocked for it since I am fixing some political party's article to make it simpler on template as some have same meaning or just too much. When is it too much? 
Thank you from (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how to deal with possible copyright violation[edit]

Hi folks- I was fixing disambiguation links when I stumbled across NGC 2556. I followed one of the sources out of curiosity and noticed that the article copied a sentence word-for-word from the source in question (see this version, current as of earlier today and the very first version of the article, where there wasn't even a citation).

I did a quick rewrite to remove the offending sentence (though I don't feel 100% confident about whether I did that correctly), but wasn't sure if that was enough. I have sometimes seen revision deletion used in article histories, but I don't know if that is appropriate here (on the one hand, it's just one sentence, but on the other hand, it also was present in every single revision).

It's possible that it will all be a moot point, as there is a notability template up on the article, but I thought it might come up again, so I might as well figure out how to deal with it in the future. Cleancutkid (talk) 06:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cleancutkid. Try taking a look at WP:COPYVIO and WP:CV101 because those pages provide some general guidance on what to do where you suspect something like this. If you have more specific questions after looking at those page, you can try WP:CP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. The policy pages can sometimes seem a bit long/convoluted, but I hadn't seen the 101 page. I think I've taken care of it now. Cleancutkid (talk) 05:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Errors on diagram at File:Pangaea_to_present.gif[edit]


The caption "PERMIAN" should say "LATE TRIASSIC", The caption "TRIASSIC" should say "EARLY JURASSIC". The caption "JURASSIC" should say "LATE JURASSIC" The caption "CRETACEOUS 65 million years ago" should say "EARLY CRETACEOUS 66 million years ago" (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please make any suggestions for improvements or corrections to a specific article on that article's talk page, together with your reasons. Thay way, you will be in contact with editors who understand that subject better than volunteers at the Teahouse. Shantavira|feed me 12:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor! It appears that user Awickert got the file from the US Geological Survey on this web page, which has a contact email address at the bottom of the page. In the meantime, if you have a suggestion for a better image to use in the Pangaea article, you could post at Talk:Pangaea. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About this last: not early, but late. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 03:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ban Users[edit]

Where do I ask an Administrator to ban or restrict users? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine, welcome to the Teahouse. If it's simple vandalism, reports go to WP:AIV; for disruptive behavior in general, WP:ANI, but be sure to read all the instructions at the top and bring examples of bad behavior to make your case. (talk) 13:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:WHYBLOCK for common block reasons. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IS there a specific article or User you have concerns about? Is it that a reviewer has Rejected Draft:Air India Flight 829? David notMD (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User talk: He kept disrupting articles about Aviation, like Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 & Turkish Airlines Flight 981, despite being given several warnings. Looks like he is already blocked from editing so that concludes it, I guess. Not sure how my draft is related to this. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The question was a guess on my part - often editors show up at Teahouse because of edits to a recently created draft or article. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page awaiting review[edit]

Hi Wikipedia friends. I submitted my first page to the AfC on Feb 4th and it is still awaiting review. I understand there are many submissions and it can take 2 months or more, I just wanted to see if anyone here would be able to take a look? Draft:Bryan Leach. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Flyguyz93 (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done AfC reviewing occasionally, and I guiltily confess that I often look for either easy passes or easy fails. Your draft is fairly long, and has a lot of references, which means it's a bigger job. I would like to think other reviewer's aren't as lazy as me, but that's a possible reason for the long wait. I'll see if I can review the draft in the coming days.
(There's also the technical difficulty that Bryan Leach already exists, but that's fine.) Cremastra (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even a slight technical difficulty, Cremastra: the matter is very simple. And the draft isn't long. (Leach's notability isn't obvious to me; but it may be to editors more accustomed to articles on US businesspeople than I am, so I'm not going to review the draft.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that the redirect has to be G6 deleted before the page can be moved to mainspace. Cremastra (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Flyguyz93 One problem is that you have made heavy use (cite 1) of a source. That is not considered reliable (see WP:FORBESCON). In addition, you say things like Leach's father had a dream of becoming an entrepreneur which seems impossible to verify: and not just because it is uncited! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And worse, much of the ariticle content is Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing of that Forbes ref. Wikipedia articles need to be written in editors' own words. Due to the extent of this problem, I suspect the only way forward is WP:TNT. DMacks (talk) 11:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded and removed the language closely matching the article and added another source that supports the content. I cleaned it up a bit. I also added a little more info about his career due to some other feedback. This is a stub article, right? So there is room to build it after once published. He was a lawyer and clerk for a Supreme Court Justice and did start a major US company, plus is active in the community. Based on all that, it seems his contributions are notable and a page would be reasonable. Flyguyz93 (talk) 15:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed a few portions that weren't mentioned by the ref. Cremastra (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO the company warrants an article, but not Leach. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Flyguyz93 The idea that Wikipedia needs lots more stubs is debatable (and my view is that it does not). Quality articles on notable subjects are what we need. I agree with David that Ibotta is a valid article but that also needs much more work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to verify Calbee is also a cereal manufacturer?[edit]

I made an edit here on Calbee and it was reversed. The company sells snack as well as cereal and other food as seen here Its other snacks such as potatoes sticks are also very popular, though I do not know how to really prove such popularity formally. Do I find articles promoting said products?

I also find "snack food manufacturer" to be a weird way to word things. I'm not sure though.

On a completely different note, the 5th link is broken. Here's an archive of said link: . Should I replace the link? Contributin (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Contributin: You should cite a reliable source. The archive links for ref #5 already seems to be in place. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Contributin: for what it's worth, this aged BrE editor finds "snack food manufacturer" to be a perfectly normal and usual description, and indeed preferable to "snack food maker" (which mildly suggests a single person rather than a large company). {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to fix template errors[edit]

In the {{Infobox independence declaration}}, the labels and datas from parameter |independence_from1= to | republic1 are not showing up when using on other articles, its other headers are showing up in every article, its root page and its transclusion articles if i remove {{#if:}} since it is my very first infobox template, i asked to help fix the error at the wikipedia help desk but i had no idea how to fix the errors. {{efn|the current vrsion: MAL MALDIVE (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MAL MALDIVE: You asked for assistance at Wikipedia:Help desk#Template about 3 1/2 hours ago. It can take longer than that for volunteers to respond, so please don't post the same issue at both the Help desk and the Teahouse on the same day. GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Policy about bureaucracy[edit]

There is some page describing something in the sense of 'avoid going trough all the formal bureaucratic procedures, be bold'. I am not referring to WP:BOLD or WP:BUREAU. Any clue which article I mean? PhotographyEdits (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @PhotographyEdits. Are you remembering Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, perhaps? (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe WP:SNOW (which is an essay, not a guideline)? Cremastra (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's it, thank you! PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can people make articles[edit]

H (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP user and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, but please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Wikipedia requires things to be covered by independent, reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. Also, see WP:GNG. Plus, creating articles from scratch is a hard thing to do when you're starting out. (Some good recommendations for what you can do to improve Wikipedia are available at the task center.) Anyway, welcome! Relativity ⚡️ 00:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My corrections are being removed without explanation.[edit]

I corrected a factual mistake in a Wiki article and included a corroborating reference. However, another editor reverted back to the original false claim without explaining how I or my reference source are in error. Elhoti Rodehard (talk) 00:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elhoti Rodehard: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please cite the source within the article, and I'd suggest inviting the other user to discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Elhoti Rodehard: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the "discuss" portion of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WiKi Standard?[edit]

Hi, I just started learning rules and editing on wiki. In the meantime, I found that some pages are either outdated or contain large original research without reliable sources or citations. Wondering how to improve this situation. An example: Mobile enterprise asset management MaydayOnMayday (talk) 01:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MaydayOnMayday: not all content on Wikipedia aligns with content standards, so that's why you're invited to change it. Since the article has little to no sources, if I were to 'refresh' the article, I would find books, journal articles, etc. that discuss the subject and try to rewrite the whole thing. You may also find that there aren't enough sources to find, in which case you may want to re-evaluate its notability and maybe nominate it for deletion. Of course, if you are not interested in mobile enterprise asset management, you can always find another article to improve.
Note that the process I described above has a steep learning curve and it's recommended to start with easier edits (like those at Special:Homepage). You can ask any questions here, or to your mentor. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 03:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians who are cats Category deleted under G4.[edit]

I made this category, and it got deleted. Category:Wikipedians who are cats. It seems it was deleted before? Can someone help me find where any discussion about its possible predecessor is? Thank You, DragonY (talk) 03:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @YarnDragon10 and welcome to the teahouse. The two discussions I can find about that category are Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 September 21#Category:Wikipedians that are cats and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 February 24# Category:Wikipedians that are cats. Hope that helps. Skynxnex (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your help! Should I delete this topic now?
DragonY (talk) 04:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Normally discussions in the tea house are kept on the page for future reference; topics are archived in fairly short order by a bot. Skynxnex (talk) 04:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Thanks
DragonY (talk) 14:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Person creating their own Wikipedia article?[edit]

I've been around a while, but haven't really been active in editing. I'm wondering how I should go about flagging a page that I suspect of being written by the subject? Or a task force to notify? The content itself isn't overly terrible and doesn't look to be a paid editor situation, but I'm sure this raises some notability/conflict of interest concerns that should be noted somewhere. Alimorel (talk) 04:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could use the {{COI}} template. Remember to write something on the talk page about why you added it. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 06:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alimorel It is not prohibited to create an autobiography, only strongly discouraged because most people can't write one of an acceptable standard, for the reasons explained at that link. However, if an autobiography writer uses the WP:AfC process via a draft article which gets accepted by reviewers, then that is fine. Hence you need to look at the history of the article to check whether it did go through that process. Sometimes, of course, the subject of the article wasn't the one who created it but added inappropriate content later. See this guideline for what it is and isn't acceptable for article subjects to do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asking about a draft me and my friend did[edit]

Basically we did somewhat of a school project (our teachers will make it known across the school that we made an article and will make students use the page for an assignment soon ) on a mosque near our school. So is there a school project category we could add to the draft so that it can get a speedy review? Here is the link btw: Draft:Sidi Bishr Mosque Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no quicker way to get a page reviewed I'm afraid, the page reviewers are all volunteers and they get to pages in no particular order. You could be waiting a couple days, or up to 2 months or more. CommissarDoggoTalk? 11:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I thought there was. Ok thanks a lot Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 11:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the draft has now been accepted as an article. I am surprised by the claim that the mosque predates the life of Mohammed. Maproom (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Maproom, @Moe the Alexandrian I think that is an "AH" date. MOS:ERA suggests a conversion should be provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, it's an AH date. Sorry for the confusion. Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moe the Alexandrian I've linked to other languages via the Wikidata item and wikilinked the AH. I note you have now put in CE centuries but can you please check these? If today is 1445 AH, then I don't think that the 17th century CE can be the 5th century AH. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks a lot for your help sir. Answer your question, I used this page: Timeline of Islamic history to help me identify the centuries in CE. It is stated that the 17th century CE begins at the year 1009 AH, which is the year the 5th century starts in the AH calendar. So I think I'm right, unless I'm very much mistaken, and if I am mistaken indeed please let me know! Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who knew arithmetic was so complicated! Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moe the Alexandrian Looking at Timeline_of_Islamic_history#Islamic centuries to Gregorian I'm not sure you are correct! If you know an event happens in 1705 CE (i.e. the 18th century CE), then that is (by the linked table) in the 12th century AH. I think you made the mistake of looking for the 5th century AH and read across to 1009 - 1106: but these are the equivalent CE dates, not the AH ones. WP:TROUT me if I'm wrong. Of course, since I don't read Arabic, I don't know what date the source you are using actually says. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah, you're definitely right. You read my mind, that's exactly what I did, I thought they were AH dates, but I thought wrong. I will change that error as soon I come back from a short trip I'm having. As for the arabic sources, don't really specify dates. Although there's much details about the mosque it seems there isn't much about the person it is named after, as he lived an isolated life and he preferred to live alone to worship and be closer to God. This might be the reason why they don't have exact dates of when he was born. Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 02:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soliciting feedback on Mars and the Solar System articles[edit]

Hey, sorry if the Teahouse is a little bit out of place for this request, but I think this is the best place to ask about it. I have a hunch that Mars, the Solar System, and many other astronomy articles on Wikipedia have lots of potential for improvement, specially about making them more digestible and engaging to normal people. Obviously, we Wikipedians, are not normal in the sense that we can read 10k+ words a day without breaking a sweat, so we don't know how do "normal people" feel when they read these articles. My goal is to make these articles actually fun and good enough for everyday people.

So, if you are a reader or an occasional editor on Wikipedia, please, please, please shoot your ideas at Talk:Mars and Talk:Solar System. I will reply to you asap :) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posting this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy might be an idea too. Lectonar (talk) 12:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I will give this a go as well. But I want to get feedback from those that not normally editing Wikipedia as well because I want to diagnose readability issues. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Me thinks it should be enough to find people who aren't into Astronomy, so to speak. You don't necessarily need non-editors :). Lectonar (talk) 12:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding "more digestible and engaging to normal people" I think you will find Simple English Wikipedia more suitable for your needs. Shantavira|feed me 13:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Simple english wikipedia is for people that is learning English. What I meant by making it "more digestible and engaging to normal people" are as in reorganizing the content and such. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are both Featured Articles, so expect pushback, much as you have seen to your edits of Solar System. I do agree with your thought that Teahouse not quite the right place to ask, but the Talk pages of those articles will do. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to make sweeping changes to the article. In fact I want to get feedback first in order to decide what to do next. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CactiStaccingCrane I don't know why you think that the Simple English Wikipedia is only "for people that is learning English". Its mainpage says Simple does not mean short. Writing in Simple English means that simple words are used. It does not mean readers want basic information. Articles do not have to be short to be simple; expand articles, add details, but use basic vocabulary. (my emphasis). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry i made a mess with a userbox page and now i need help[edit]

as i said i apologise for the inconvenience but i (mistakenly but now am sure i want it back) moved User:Gooduserdude/Westworld to User:Gooduserdude/test page so what i need now (i cant do it myself) is for it to be moved to its original location and the new test page to be deleted Gooduserdude (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gooduserdude, and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry about making mistakes: we all do.
Since there's almost nothing on it, the simplest thing is to abandon it and start a new one. If you want it actually deleted, put {{db-g7}} (with the curly brackets) at the top, and somebody will come along to delete it.
If you don't want to do that, you can ask at requested moves for somebody to move it back.
A third approach is to edit the redirect: if you go to User:Gooduserdude/Westworld, it automatically redirects you to the moved page, but there is a line "Redirected from User:Gooduserdude/Westworld" at the top, and if you pick that, it will take you to the redirection page itself, so you can edit it to remove the redirection. ColinFine (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have acted upon via WP:RM/TR where @Gooduserdude had filed a technical requested. – robertsky (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile view sees a citation error; desktop view sees no problem. Eh???[edit]

Can make any sense of this? At Lunar month, citation 8 gets an error Chapront-Touzé & Chapront (1988). Harv error: link from CITEREFChapront-Touz%C3%A9Chapront1988 doesn't point to any citation but the cited source is certainly there. Exactly the same article read on desktop view sees no problem and [8] resolves as expected. Any suggestions? Something to do with the é being interpreted as %C4%A9, perhaps? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked Template talk:Sfn and found that it's caused by (apparently) the mobile view of MediaWiki interpreting the sfn as a url and not an anchor. Here's the related Phabricator bug report from a few months ago: T348928 Reconrabbit 14:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TYVM, I should have guessed that I wouldn't be the first to encounter it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My article[edit]

Why was my article Lunar Calendar (ancient Egypt) moved to Draftspace without reasons that it was not ready for Mainspace? Numspan33 (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to take a look at Your First Article, that page should help you dramatically. Currently your article has a large amount of errors, including broken templates, the infobox is broken, there are redlinks to things that will likely never exist and there's syntax of some kind lower down on the page that seems to be trying to create columns which is pretty badly broken. There's also some basic sections missing like a reference list. Please see the Manual of Style's layout guide for more on that. CommissarDoggoTalk? 14:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed a bunch of it, though I've left some things behind that needs more work than I'm willing to spend on this right now. Also, from the names of a few templates I gathered this a (incomplete) translation of de:Mondkalender (Altes Ägypten). @Numspan33: Translating from other-language Wikipedias is permitted, but there are a few rules that need to be followed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Was this a copyright violation? I tried it in my own words. Cwater1 (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cwater1: Welcome to the Teahouse! To determine whether the text you added was a copyright violation, we should compare the text with your source. What was your source for this text? GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cwater1 The second sentence is identical to a fandom post. Plot summaries don't always require citation (see WP:PLOTCITE) but must never be copied verbatim from elsewhere. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies though. A synopsis would be better instead of simple plot. It would still need to be in own words. I don't think Fandom is considered a reliable source. Cwater1 (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content translation tool[edit]

Hello, WP:CXT has a problem in correctly transferring references to the translation page, and after publishing the article, it shows a non-existent reference error. What is the reason for this problem and where should I raise this issue to fix it? Pereoptic Talk✉️   14:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pereoptic: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest raising the issue at Wikipedia talk:Content translation tool, with an example showing the error. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Pereoptic Talk✉️   15:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Inkster[edit]

Good morning , I am not tech capable in anyway. Would someone be interested in adding Norman Inkster, or a link to his Wikipedia page, to the page about Broadview Saskatchewan Canada. His family lived in Broadview while he and his brothers were in school and he is remembered and respected by the people who knew him, and still live in Broadview. My husband has good memories of the whole family. 2604:3D09:3E81:F00:C13A:886:8293:AAA9 (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Shantavira|feed me 15:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Courtesy link: Broadview, Saskatchewan. GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Do all questions posted here get archived? Sometimes I try to go back to a thread I posted (by clicking the link in my Notifications), and the thread has disappeared. When I search the archives of this page, it doesn't come up, either. Wafflewombat (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wafflewombat: Hi there! While vandalism and off-topic posts can be reverted, everything else should be archived. There's an archive search box at the top of the page. When I searched the archives for your unique username, I got there results. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thanks. Wafflewombat (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wafflewombat You can also tweak your preferences at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to activate User:SD0001/find-archived-section, which can help (see the documentation at that link). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


While creating a page you can use the same reference multiple times. How can you avoid this and combine the links into one reference? Maria1718182 (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Maria, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can use named references for this - see that link for details. ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Maria1718182: I've added named references to the Deva Cassel article for you. GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Maria1718182 (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting Countscarter[edit]

I'm coming here since this may be the safest place to do, especially since I never reported on a user before. Over the past month Countscarter has been constantly making unsourced edit contributions along with providing little to no communication with other editors, including the near-total lack of edit summaries. Countscarter has recently been in a brief edit war over editing the article for Fixed, providing no references for justification and insisted on their edits through word of mouth. (Also to note are similar actions done by BloodshotStudios with said article.) Countscarter has been warned for their actions at least five times, including by me. After recent unsourced contributions on Annapurna Pictures and Ice Age, I decided I can no longer assume good faith in this user. I've been tracking their edits for the past week now, although I have forgotten the initial article that grabbed my attention. If I have done anything unintentionally out of malice, please let me know. I don't commit to tracking unless it's for the sake of preserving better-written information. Lastly to note they've done dozens of edits on Scene It?; I suggest someone review the article's quality since there's too many edits to focus on briefly. Carlinal (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carlinal: Welcome to the Teahouse. Something like this is much more appropriate at a noticeboard like the ANI. Be aware that if you do file a report, your own behaviour will also be looked at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you. Carlinal (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moving my speedy deletion into draft[edit]

Hello, My article I had worked hard on Reference and User Services Association NEW was marked for speedy deletion. I understand why. But I would like it to be moved into draft so myself and others can fix it. Now I can't get to the content anymore to edit it. I took me days to figure out of create the structure and content and I would like to work from that. Any suggestions? Jenny.wombat (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft is here Draft:Reference Services Section (RSS) it has no reliable independent sources though so is unlikely to be accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reference and User Services Association NEW was deleted as a copyright violation so wouldn't be refunded. Theroadislong (talk) 17:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean "wouldn't be undeleted". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:REFUND. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating Articles for Deletion[edit]

I've seen people nominate articles for deletion, such as United Airlines Flight 35 & United Airlines Flight 1118. Question is: How do I nominate articles for deletion? Also, if the majority vote for deletion, will the article be deleted automatically or manually? Secondly, if I want to restore an article which was wrongfully deleted, how do I do that? Finally, if I have to ask an admin to restore an article, where do I ask? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles are deleted in (to my knowledge) three different ways.
One is speedy deletion, which is where issues are egregious and it should've never been on Wikipedia. Either that or the creator and sole substantial editor wants to delete a page. The second is a proposed deletion, which is for uncontroversial deletions. If the proposed deletion remains on a page for a period of more than 7 days without being removed then the page itself can be deleted. Then there's Articles for Deletion, where a discussion as to whether a page should be deleted will take place. If the discussion is obviously going to result in deletion, it will be closed early. If not, the discussion could take days or weeks, with the result being decided essentially by the best argument for or against in regards to policy. CommissarDoggoTalk? 18:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and for your last two questions, there's WP:UNDELETE, where you can either get a page returned to draftspace or placed in your userspace, known as draftifying and userifying respectively. There are specific cases where draftifying and userifying is impossible, but you can read more at the page linked above. CommissarDoggoTalk? 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. But how do I nominate an article for deletion? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see each of the pages linked above, you can see how to nominate an article for each of the types of deletion on those pages.
Alternatively, you can use a tool like Twinkle to do all of that semi-automatically. CommissarDoggoTalk? 18:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miss America 2025 (a pending article)[edit]

The first contestant of the Miss America 2025 which will come either for late 2024 or very early 2025 will be Miss Vermont 2024. The Miss Vermont contest is expected somewhere between April 11 and April 14. Though I improved the Miss America 2025 article here, she still has a ways to go before completion after next year’s Miss America Pageant. Can everybody please do their parts in improving this Wikipedia article? There are good and multiple sources in Miss America 2025 draft here on the English Wikipedia. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 18:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the forum to request that others edit a particular article. No one has any specific "part" to play here- people do what they choose to do. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Angela, and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources have published on a subject: that is all.
Since no such source yet exist about Miss America 2025 (at least, your draft does not cite any) there is literally nothing that can go into an article about Miss America 20245 today.
Please wait until the sources exist, and then write your draft from them, rather than WP:BACKWARDS. ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


If I paid a company to do an article to be placed on Wikipedia and we are dissatisfied and we complain and they threaten that if we do anything to change the article, it will be dropped and the name will be "blacklisted." Is this true? (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not true. Sounds to me like you are being scammed. See WP:SCAM. 331dot (talk) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please discontinue ALL PAYMENTS with them, this is a SCAM.
331 is an admin. He would know. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 03:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry that you've been scammed.
Whether an article about you is kept, altered, or deleted, depends on Wikipedia's rules: the people who scammed you have no power over it. Nor, I'm afraid, do you; but you are welcome to request changes to it (which may or may not be met, again, dependent on how far they match Wikipedia's principles).
If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (most of us do not), then the article may well be kept, but if you do not, it will eventually be deleted.
If you wish to request edits to it, please use the edit request wizard to do so. ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does the article exist as an article or just a draft? Either way, if you provide a name you will get better advice. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


the (very quick) feedback is my submittal reads like an advertisement. I disagree. it is fact based and full of citations that are long standing and varied. How do i get other feedback? Gardendcs (talk) 23:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: Draft:Gibbs Gardens. 331dot (talk) 23:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gardendcs: Hi there! Although several editors have posted on your talk page, I don't see where you have declared a conflict of interest on your user page or at Draft talk:Gibbs Gardens. The draft has two unreferenced sections. The MSN reference needs to be fixed. I didn't check the references to see whether they are independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 01:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gardendcs Unreferenced content added by an editor with an undeclared conflict of interest is advertising. The tone of the draft is "this is a really great place" rather than neutrally describing what the place is. Properly declare your conflict of interest, add references to reliable sources for all unreferenced content, or

remove the unreferenced content. Cullen328 (talk) 05:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, the text has "In spring, weeping willows and cobalt-blue variegated water irises are reflected in the ponds. Ferns and the blossoms of Kurume, Satsuki, Indica and native azaleas; dogwoods; mountain laurels; Yoshino and Kwanzan cherry trees; trilliums and wildflowers are in bloom. In fall, the Japanese Gardens feature vivid foliage colors in shades of red, gold and crimson." Is that your personal observation or a source that can be referenced? If the latter, did you copy, which would be a copyright violation. David notMD (talk) 10:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A.I. images instead of real photographs[edit]

Where do you report A.I. images/artwork being used instead of actual photographs? And does Wikipedia have an A.I. alert in place yet for these kind of things? A.I. images shouldn't be allowed when pretending to be real photographs. Please advise. Thank you! WHIMPEYD (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WHIMPEYD, first check to see whether the file is at Commons. (It probably is.) If so, and if a fake is described/presented as if it were a photograph, then start a new thread at the foot of commons:Commons:Village pump. If the problem is specific to a use, or uses, in English-language Wikipedia, then perhaps WP:Help desk. -- Hoary (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, thank you for the info! WHIMPEYD (talk) 05:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting unprotection for multiple pages[edit]

I found some pages that are currently fully protected from more than 10 years ago and have little to no history of vandalism. I would like those pages to be unprotected so non-admins can add rcats. How do I make such a request? TheWikiCyclone (talk) 02:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection includes an option for "request page unprotection".
I'd also point out that "fully protected from more than 10 years ago" and "little to no history of vandalism" may be causally linked. DS (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DragonflySixtyseven Yes, but however I am trying to list all of the pages that need to be unprotected in a single request. For example, if I the following pages to be unprotected:
TheWikiCyclone (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Each of these pages, TheWikiCyclone, is a redirect. Anyone with a good reason to have, say, Mollusk either become an article so titled or redirect somewhere other than Mollusca is free to propose just that. Launching a discussion of whether Mollusk (with the others) should be unprotected on the off-chance that somebody might have a good reason to repurpose it yet be too timid to ask for unprotection in order to allow such repurposing strikes me as a waste of people's time. Still, if you must request it, then DragonflySixtyseven has pointed to the place where you can do so. -- Hoary (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of Dmytro Kushneruk[edit]

There seem to be enough references for WP:GNG in the lede of Dmytro Kushneruk. Could someone check, opine, and maybe remove the warning? Thx Trzb (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trzb Six refs in the Lead to confirm he is a dipiomat is over-referencing. (Perhaps some of those can be moved to the section about the Russian invasion.) In general, government appointments (diplomats, government, military) are less likely to have Wikipedia-notable careers compared to elected. David notMD (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading screenshots in Wikipedia Commons[edit]

I just noticed an editor uploaded a YouTube screenshot in Wikipedia Commons[1]. Is this allowed? Hotwiki (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hotwiki, that's a Commons matter, not an en:Wikipedia matter. And it doesn't claim to be from YouTube. However, there's no evidence on commons:File:Kylie Minogue for Life in Looks by Vogue (cropped).png that it's either in the public domain or copyleft, so please go there, click on "Nominate for deletion", and add a comment such as "No evidence that this is not conventionally copyright ('all rights reserved')". -- Hoary (talk) 06:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be better attributed. These images have their own category: c:Category:Screenshot images from VOGUE Taiwan YouTube account, and you can look up previous deletion discussions for some of them. It appears that Vogue Taiwan released a lot of videos under a CC licence, for example, see the description for this one.[2] You'd need to ask if it's a legit account that holds the copyright, and whether they released it under this licence. It looks to me like the answer is yes. But as Hoary says, it's initially a commons issue. -- zzuuzz (talk) 06:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the responses, Hoary and zzuuzz. Hotwiki (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC lack comments[edit]

I recently created RfCTalk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for comment. But it lacked any response or comments, am i allowed to sent invitation to comment to random editors to increase response? Merzostin (talk) 07:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Merzostin Not "random" editors, please! It is absolutely OK to mention the discussion on the Talk Pages of relevant Projects interested in the article: in this case WP:INA seems to be one. You could also WP:PING editors who have recently contributed to the article to its Talk Page. Use neutral language, see WP:CANVASS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull thank you for the reply, i will post them in Talk Pages of relevant Projects, and also the PING, but i still needed to know if may i request other editors personally on their talk page? ( editors who made edits on historical pages) Merzostin (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, within limits, see WP:APPNOTE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, but i wonder how i could present the notification on their talk page, use RfC template notice or "may i request your comment on Talk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for commet" which one is more suitable? Merzostin (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Up to you: the template to substitute is {{Rfc notice}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK thank you for your help! Merzostin (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and can i for example ask you to comment? (because i believe the dispute didn't need someone to have interest or knowlegde, since one side have provided evidences, the other haven't and couldn't, it's kinda simple imo) Merzostin (talk) 10:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I won't comment as to do so in an informed way would take too much research in areas I'm not interested in. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Article Posting[edit]

How do I post/create an article on Wikipedia? Elite death (talk) 07:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elite death Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your very common question is like asking "how do I build a house?" It is a very complicated process that requires much education and knowledge, one cannot just dive right in to home building. You need an understanding of land acquisition, permitting, construction, plumbing, electrical, landscaping, and so on- you can't just start nailing lumber together if you want to succeed. Writing a new article is similar- it is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia. New users who dive right in often end up frustrated and angry as something they spent hours on is mercilessly criticized, edited, and deleted by others. I don't want you to have any bad feelings here. It is highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge by spending time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial will help you as well. I'll post some information on your user talk page.
However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article now, please see Your First Article, and then visit the article wizard to create and submit a draft for review(new accounts cannot directly create articles). You will want to first gather at least three independent reliable sources that give the topic you want to write about significant coverage, and show how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. What do you want to write about? 331dot (talk) 08:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help with draft for foreign language[edit]

Can someones from China, speak Chinese, or part of Portal:China help find refs in Chinese website (especially about review/reception, development) or article to expand Draft:The Lost Village (video game). I can't speak Chinese and English is my second language, but now I'm interested in expanding currently trending Indie game from Steam and Epic in Wikipedia.

Also, for the next oppurtunity, where should I post request help similar to this other than in here? EdhyRa (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EdhyRa, looking for good source material, reading it, digesting it and summarizing it accounts for much of the work of creating an article. So you're essentially asking "Can someone do most of the work needed to create an article on the video game 'The Lost Village'?" This is highly optimistic. If English is a second language for you, congratulations, you have one or more different first languages. This/these may be most useful. For the next opportunity, perhaps read up on a subject that's plentifully written up in a language in which you're adept. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the problem, the good source material is only in Chinese. That's why I'm asking for help. If no one helped then it's okay. There are many video games released for English version, but most of the material is in original language of the game studio, including local news about game development, and reception like accolades, etc., in Chinese, Japanese, France, Polish, etc.
I thought Wikipedia community is a 'help each other' community, maybe I'm wrong then :( EdhyRa (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it weren't, then nobody would be answering questions at the Teahouse!
People work on what they choose. If you want people to do the major work on creating an article, that's not impossible - but why should they put in a lot of effort for something that is what you want to do, rather than what they want to do?
You might possibly have more success asking at WikiProject Videogames, or even WikiProject China; but don't hold your breath. ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help me![edit]

Hi, I am reverting edits on 2024 Mozambique boat disaster but they keep getting reverted from IP users, in which they change the words to "very lucky people". This is bugging me. Could someone take a look?

Thanks, Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 13:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the page history, it seems like semi-protection might be warranted. You can raise the request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference link not useable anymore[edit]

What to do when you come across info on a wikipedia page, where the reference link to the reliable source that it came out from does not give the article anymore?

The reference was a link to a yahoo finance article, but since it had been a few years since the reference was made the article is not on their site anymore.

Is the procedure to delete the info that now has no reliable source anymore to back it up?

I tried to find another reliable source to use but no luck Infrabel1 (talk) 13:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Infrabel1, this help topic has everything you need to know on how to fix link rot. The best course of action would be to use IABot, which will automatically look for archives of the link. Let us know if you encounter any issues! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A spammer is vandalizing my pages[edit]

Hi, one of the spammer attacking personally on pages as he is deleting all my created pages whether they are notable enough and were reviewed by the other editors which means my pages were passed in the review process. The spammer continuously marking my pages for deletion. CharlesBNB (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CharlesBNB: Do you refer to User:Biruitorul? If not, then who? What evidence do you have that they are a spammer? Have you read WP:AGF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Proposing deletion isn't vandalism. Wikipedia has a strict definition for that. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CharlesBNB First, you have been asked on your Talk page whether any of the twelve drafts or direct-to-mainspace articles you have created since January are undeclared paid editing, and if so to declare on your User page. Second, while a number of your efforts at articles exist, most of the more recent ones have been nominated for deletion via AfD or Prod. That is neither vandalism nor spamming. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @David notMD, thanks for the explanation. Only one of my article is a paid, could you please let me know that to declare it on my Talk page? Is there any format or procedure? CharlesBNB (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right place is on your User page. See WP:PAID. Inside double curly brackets {{ }} put paid|employer=name of employer If you are paid by one organization on behalf of a client, use paid|employer=name of employer|client=name of client Giventhe challenge left on your Talk page, an additional reply there to the effect that you have one paid situation, but none of the other drafts or articles. Thank you for following up. Undeclared paid is a serious sin in Wikipedia world, potentially resulting on having one's account indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Ecuador Women's National Under-17 Football Team (references)[edit]

Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me find references for an article I wrote; Draft:Ecuador Women's National Under-17 Football Team. If so, I would really appreciate your help. Loganmascarenhas (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should find your references before drafting an article. I suggest you read WP:BACKWARDS and WP:YFA before continuing. Shantavira|feed me 15:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Draft was deleted because of G11[edit]

I have no clue what g11 means, can someone help me. GoldenCraftr (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:G11, it's a deletion criteria for obviously promotional pages. CommissarDoggoTalk? 16:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listing format of births in given years[edit]

I wonder why some pages for some years no longer show the births of celebrities in sequence? that is, it's no longer possible to look up what individuals were born on certain days or weeks (such as 1983, say). That was a wonderful feature that seems to be disappearing for certain years and not others. 2601:249:1A7E:FD40:D177:6C5F:561D:D272 (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1983#Births and deaths says:
The category currently has 17,177 pages, not practical for a list. There was a selected list before 9 April 2023.[3] See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 199#RFC: split births & deaths from year articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years/Archive 18 for related discussions. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

new article relevance?[edit]

hi! i just wrote my second article (Chernoh Alpha M. Bah) and i'm wondering if it's relevant enough to be approved. i personally think he meets the standards, but is there anything i can improve to help my chances? thanks. Gnat8 (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my observation i see something less.this article has lack of template infobox.this article is about a can add "infobox" template by simply adding {{
Th.--KEmel49 (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)is[reply]
@KEmel49: A draft lacking an infobox does not mean it is less readily accepted. Editors should focus on making sure the subject is wikinotable through reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My submission was rejected[edit]


I have been declined twice and I could use some help. Is there someone that helps to edit?

Vdolphinv (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome. If this is regarding your sandbox, did you read the comments by reviewers? I'd also suggest that you look at other articles to get an idea of the style and structure being looked for; you may also want to see referencing for beginners. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I have added a comment at User:Vdolphinv/sandbox.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cut 40%. You need references for all facts. Delete all that you cannot reference. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Four Tides[edit]


When I give IP users {{subst:uw1}} and etc. warnings and the {{sharedipadvice}} on talk pages, I notice other editors generally add their signature (four tides) after the uw-warning and before the shared ip advice. However, when I do that in the source editor, after adding the four tides after the uw-warning, it still automatically shows another signature at the very bottom of the talk page message (auto-sign). Is there a way to fix this?


Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Myrealnamm My suggestion is to use Wikipedia:Twinkle. It will automate the process and will automatically add your signature for you. Relativity ⚡️ 20:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Myrealnamm: The automatic signing happens when you use the reply tool, called "Enable quick replying" and "Enable quick topic adding" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. Twinkle doesn't use the tool. It doesn't appear you can avoid an automatic signature at the end of the whole post if you use the tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate content warning[edit]

I got this inappropriate content notification that says "Don't post inappropriate content" like I have never posted anything inappropriate, is there a way to fix this issue? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Which message are you referring to? Something on your user talk page? 331dot (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking at other wikis and found an Italian one, the Google translate thing turned on and it had set to English because I can't understand Italian very well. And I was just browsing and suddenly a message popped up saying "Don't post inappropriate content". On the Italian wiki talk page. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Starixxgamerrix: Welcome to the Teahouse! The people here at the English Wikipedia cannot make any changes on the Italian Wikipedia. The Italian Wikipedia doesn't seem to have their own Teahouse, but they have a Help Desk at it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. When I use Google Translate on that page because I don't understand Italian either, I see a message stating "Do not leave your email, telephone numbers, personal and/or sensitive data". It's not an accusation claiming I have done so, but a warning to prevent me from doing so. I hope the "Don't post inappropriate content" is also a warning. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The whole thing looks a lot like an automated welcome message, really. CommissarDoggoTalk? 22:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Starixxgamerrix: This Teahouse is for the English Wikipedia. Please always say if a post involves another wiki. it:User talk:Starixxgamerrix has an Italian standard welcome message which includes "Scrivi nuove voci o modifica quelle esistenti, ma non inserire contenuti inadatti." Google Translate says "Write new entries or edit existing ones, but don't post inappropriate content." It's about the future and not a comment on something you did. "inappropriate content" links to an Italian page about what not to put on Wikipedia. The message has been posted to more than 600,000 users at the Italian Wikipedia so I guess the wording is not considered controversial. If you wonder why the message came before you had edited then a local version of your account is automatically created at a wiki if you view any page while logged in, and some wikis send welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know but I forgot to put that thing that involves another wiki Starixxgamerrix (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working on the Josiah Bartlett article and all sources that I find - books, vital records, his gravestone - state that he was born on November 21, 1729. Bartlett's article says his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]".

Because December 2 isn't in anything I am finding, my gut reaction is to say that his date of birth is November 21, 1729 - and have an {{efn}} note that states that his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]". I don't know anything about this, would that be okay? Or, is there a better way to handle it?

Thanks so much. I have had several things that have popped up this past four weeks that I cannot sort out and have brought to the Teahouse and you have been amazing!–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CaroleHenson. November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandarcalendar. Josiah Bartlett was born in a place which switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Since it happened during his lifetime, I think it's OK to give both dates directly in the lead like now. It would be a little confusing to show his birth in one calendar and his death in another inside the same parentheses. His birth is written with {{OldStyleDateDY|December 2,|1729|November 21, 1729}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, good. I will leave it as it is and add a note: "November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandar. Josiah Bartlett was born before the Julian calendar switched to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." I am guessing I am not the only one to be confused about this.
Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CaroleHenson: I made a typo in the second "calendar". The Gregorian calendar was originally introduced by the pope in 1582. Different countries switched at different times. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PrimeHunter, okay great!. If I change the 2nd sentence to "Josiah Bartlett was born before Britain and the British Empire (including colonial America) switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." will that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CaroleHenson: That works. Maybe a bit long but seems acceptable for a footnote. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Julian and Gregorian calendars only says: "Where it's not obvious that a given date should be given in Julian alone or in Gregorian alone, consider giving both styles, for example by using {{OldStyleDate}}." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PrimeHunter, okay, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest question about editing the pages of alumni + previous/current professors at your current college.[edit]

I'm an editing newbie and was wondering whether it was a conflict of interest to edit or create new pages for prominent alumni and professors of the college I currently go to. None of the biography pages are for individuals I have met or are directly connected to. However, some of these edits would involve adding my college to their biographical page. Neurobyte (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]