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December 5[edit]

Cant finish CAPTCHA[edit]

no matter how many times I do the CAPTCHA I can't submit an edit Ohiorizzgyat (talk) 01:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to edit Ohiorizzgyat (talk) 01:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Ohiorizzgyat. Please read Help:Editing. Cullen328 (talk) 02:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A common mistake when answering a CAPTCHA challenge is to type your answer into the box and then click the little "Refresh" symbol immediately to the right of it. This is wrong!
When you have entered your CAPTCHA answer, scroll down to the "Publish" (equivalent to 'save') button and click that.
The "Refresh" button is used to request a different CAPTCHA target word if you couldn't read the first one. You can click it all day and it will keep giving you new target words without Publishing/Saving your edit.
If this is not what your problem is, come back here and explain in more detail exactly what you are doing and what results you see. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posting pictures of book first edition covers.[edit]

Hello wikipedia I personally am not that profitant at editing , spelling or Grammer. I dont want to change your articels per say. I am a fine artist. Sincerely,

Linda k Eckhoff 2601:285:4180:70C0:F956:9F:E346:776E (talk) 02:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you suggesting the upload of an actual (not imagined or proposed) book cover that you have created, for which you possess the copyright, and of a book about which Wikipedia has an article? If so, create a user ID, log in under that user ID, and upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, being sure to answer all the questions conscientiously and accurately. If you're proposing (or asking) something else, what is it? -- Hoary (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or, upload the files as non-free files to only be used in the infobox of the articles about the books using Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Two (small) doubts[edit]

Two questions: is it correct to insert the template circa also the date of birth and death? Tristano Martinelli; how do I correctly format the part in brackets in the first line of the Mezzetino page (where it says "pron.")? Mezzetino. JackkBrown (talk) 08:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. For two approximate dates, it's simply {{circa|1556|1630}} giving c. 1556 – c. 1630. But in this case, where only one date is approximate, use {{nowrap|{{circa|1556}} –}} 1630 giving c. 1556 1630, which I have already done in the article. See MOS:DATERANGE and {{circa}} for full details.
  2. ({{respell|met|zeh|TEE|no}}) giving (met-zeh-TEE-no), also updated in the article. No "pron." is required. See MOS:LEADPRON and {{Respell}}. Bazza (talk) 10:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Zanni" is a characterisation, not an actual character (it's a role), like "Innamorati" and "Vecchio". What I wonder is why it's written in capitals and not in italics; honestly, I don't understand why (there is no one on the discussion page, I don't ask there). JackkBrown (talk) 10:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JackkBrown: The character type is named after a hypothetical person called Zanni, an actual Italian name, so it kept the upper case of a personal name like a Mary Sue character. If English source usually use upper case then we shouldn't change it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PrimeHunter: perfect! I just needed an explanation. So I was right to remove the italics and lowercase initial letter from "Zanni" in many other articles. JackkBrown (talk) 11:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JackkBrown: You can't tell if "there is no one on the discussion page" if you don't start a discussion. GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I used to be able to donate using my Amazon account so that I did not need to publicize my card info. I would like to do that again. Please make that option available on your donation page.```` (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We editors have nothing to do with collecting donations or what methods donations may be made through- please communicate your concerns to 331dot (talk) 14:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, I don't think this is the place for that request. Changing the donation page is not something regular editors or even administrators can do. I don't know where this belongs but definitely not here. Best regards, TypoEater (talk) 14:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I already donate £25 to your organisation every month so I do not wish to donate any more and I would ask you to stop disrupting my use of Wilki with your requests for donations - if you can - thanks 2A00:23C4:141B:1601:D00F:9C00:41D6:5198 (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → uncheck Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing Thank you! (talk) 18:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

userpage on another Wikipedia in a language I don't speak[edit]

I recently received an email welcoming me to "the Egyptian Wikipedia". I see that there's also a welcome message on "my" corresponding user talk page ( ). I find this odd, because (a) I haven't ever edited the Egyptian Wikipedia (see ), and I don't recall ever even visiting the Egyptian Wikipedia, and (b) (alas) I currently cannot understand Egyptian Arabic or any other dialect of Arabic, so it's unlikely that I will read any articles on that Wikipedia, much less edit them.

While I wish the editors of the Egyptian Wikipedia well, and I find my heart warmed by their welcome, I feel that perhaps there's a misunderstanding. Is there anything I should/could do to correct that misunderstanding? (Is there a better place to discuss such cross-language Wikipedia events?) --DavidCary (talk) 23:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DavidCary: In 2013 you made an edit [1] to Template:Not a typo/doc. The template was imported with page history to arzwiki 3 December 2023.[2] This caused your arz account to automatically be created the same minute with a log falsely listing you as the performer.[3] User:HitomiAkane saw the new account and posted a welcome message. So in summary, you were welcomed in a language you don't know at a wiki you had never visited because you made an edit to the English Wikipedia ten years ago. Special:SiteMatrix lists around 1000 wikis where your global account works and a local account might be created at any time without your knowledge. We get many posts about unexpected welcome messages at foreign wikis. I have a proposal at meta:Welcoming policy: "A wiki is only allowed to post welcome messages to users if their account was originally created at the wiki, or the user has at least one non-imported edit there." It hasn't received any attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DavidCary,@PrimeHunter, Egyptian Wikipedia visitors get confused and think it is Arabic Wikipedia, and they edit and sometimes change the texts from the Egyptian language to Arabic. Therefore, we try to alert new visitors to this point in the welcome message so that we maintain the page log. The welcome message also states in the English section that it is just a courtesy if the user does not want to participate. Finally, accept my apologies if this causes any confusion. HitomiAkane (talk) 02:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@HitomiAkane: I'm considering a proposal that user creation logs like [4] should reveal if the account was created due to interwiki import for a user who has never visited the wiki. Would you omit welcome messages if it was easy to see that the user is actually not a visitor? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 6[edit]

In the paragraph "Projects for the valorization of Sicily" of the Sibat Tomarchio page there is a quote, could someone please format it correctly? JackkBrown (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JackkBrown: You can use {{Blockquote}} to format it, but that section seems very promotional and I'm not sure including that quote is encyclopedic. RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Cuisine of Sardinia page is literally unpresentable. I know I'm Italian, but here we are faced with a mission that not even an Italian could do (and I'm sorry to leave it as it's): references that don't exist (for example, "[10]"), it's not clear when to use italics and when not to, page in my opinion unnecessarily long, aesthetically unpleasant, etc. I'm complaining, and I shouldn't, but it's a pain to see something like this (even an Italian couldn't put it right, I can't). JackkBrown (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JackkBrown: Find something you are interested in, and work on that instead. If you are up for it, post some improvement suggestions on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The [10] references are clearly from another wiki or part of Wikipedia – in this case, my guess is it's just a straight rip and machine translation off Italian Wikipedia, given the citation number for the [10] quote on there is [11]. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is Tim Brilley notable. MagicalPrince863 (talk) 03:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MagicalPrince863: Which Tim Brilley? Googling shows at least two of them. You should read WP:N, and then if appropriate read the more specific notability guidelines for the Tim Brilley of your choice. -Arch dude (talk) 03:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need telephonic assistance[edit]

Need to post about our company, need guidance for the same on phone call if possible Kgyanesh (talk) 04:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If this is what you mean, generally you should not write an article about your company on Wikipedia, as it constitutes a conflict of interest. Remsense 04:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kgyanesh: We don't answer questions by telephone. If you don't want to post here at the help desk, you can use IRC (live chat). Instructions are at the top of the page. You will need to read and comply with WP:PAID RudolfRed (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thankyou for reverting, I am unable to use the IRC(live chat) Option, Please help me with further assistance. Kgyanesh (talk) 06:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To reiterate, generally you should not write an article about your company on Wikipedia, as it constitutes a conflict of interest. Other than that, article topics need to be notable and verifiable to reliable sources. Do you have questions regarding any of these things? Remsense 06:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

template issue in Mainspace[edit]

Hello! Our group attempted to move our Wikipedia article into the Mainspace, but this notificiation came up:

This template is not to be used in article space.

This is the sandbox page where you will draft your initial Wikipedia contribution.

If you're starting a new article, you can develop it here until it's ready to go live.

If you're working on improvements to an existing article, copy only one section at a time of the article to this sandbox to work on, and be sure to use an edit summary linking to the article you copied from. Do not copy over the entire article. You can find additional instructions here.

Remember to save your work regularly using the "Publish page" button. (It just means 'save'; it will still be in the sandbox.) You can add bold formatting to your additions to differentiate them from existing content.

If possible can you help us understand what we did wrong as we had worked on our wiki article in the sandbox and simply wanted to move it into the mainspace Acbruin2024 (talk) 08:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Acbruin2024. The first mistake you have made here is to use plural terminology like "our" and "we". Group editing is not permitted and each Wikipedia account is for the use of one person and one person only. Each member of your group must have their own account. and comment as "I" rather than "we". Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
User:Acbruin2024, you should remove {{ sandbox}} from that article now that it's been moved to mainspace. Editing and reviewing articles in groups as it's clear your class has been doing is not at all problematic since yall each seem to operate an individual account. Folly Mox (talk) 09:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for Zhang Hanying, you or one of your "we" colleagues seems to be trying to use an inappropriate template in a mainspace article, which results in numerous technical issues. Please do not make such edits without knowing what you are doing. Please also take a few minutes to check whether such an edit is appropriate before making it. Cullen328 (talk) 09:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Loosing credentials for Wikipedia account[edit]

My institution lost the credentials for the Wikipedia account. How could we retrieve it? (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your institution should not have the credentials to an account to give to anyone- accounts on the English Wikipedia must exclusively be used by a single person who may not give others access, they cannot be associated with a job. (other language Wikipedias permit accounts that represent an organization, but we do not.)
That said, to answer your question, if you do not have the login information and did not attach an email to the account preferences to reset your password, there is no way to regain access. In any event, you should create an account for your personal use for the reasons I stated. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some people falsely assume that Wikipedia articles about organizations are made and maintained by the organization. I wonder whether this is the case here and there was never such an account. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if you want to change an article about your institution. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit a page content that is not true[edit]

Hi, My boss's wikipedia page showing some wrong information. I have to get it edit. Please help me doing that. (talk) 10:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You should make an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page associated with the article about your boss. You will first need to declare as a paid editor. That is easier to do with an account, but even if you choose not to create an account, you must disclose. You and your boss should also be aware of WP:BOSS. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In this article, before the various regions, there are no descriptions. Do you think I was right to add descriptions for two types of vegetables? Is this necessary? JackkBrown (talk) 13:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If no-one disagrees with your 'Bold' edits, they're fine. If anyone does disagree with one or more of them, they will 'Revert' them, hopefully giving a reason in their edit summary, and then you can 'Discuss' the matter directly with them, in a civil fashion, on the Article Talk page or either of your own Talk pages.
This is called the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and is a standard procedure for editing on Wikipedia. There is no need to come and ask for a second opinion at the Help desk or Teahouse every time you make an edit you're unsure of.
Nearly all articles are on the Watchlists of a number of editors with an interest in that subject, so it's unlikely that any edits you make (whether erroneous or not) will go entirely unnoticed. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 13:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion of the Cuisine of Sardinia page[edit]

I propose the deletion of the Sardinian cuisine page. It has been translated (very very badly) in full from the page (as can be seen from the wrong references "[10]", etc.), it's too long, it's confusing, in a nutshell it needs to be redone from scratch. I'll work on recreating it, but I can't work on such a horribly badly translated page, I'd rather create one from scratch. JackkBrown (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I always think proposing something for deletion is the wrong approach if there's scope for a decent article with that title. Instead, just do what you say: blank the page, replacing it with a stub, then start working on it yourself. This used to be expressed as "deletion is not cleanup". AndyJones (talk) 13:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    An alternative that is even less likely to generate pushback is to start work on a better version of the article somewhere else (your own userspace, an offline app, or wherever), and when you're satisfied with your work, just copypaste it over top of the existing article. There's no pressing need to stubbify a terrible article that's been terrible for five years, and if interested editors see you replacing the content with a significantly improved version in a giant monolithic edit, they're more likely to express gratitude than something along the lines of "the old content was better than nothing". Folly Mox (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An article being poorly written is literally never an acceptable reason to delete it. Remsense 06:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, I did step 1 here Wikipedia:Videowiki/Tick-borne encephalitis however step 2 (to complete the video)does not seem to work, any help is appreciated, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ozzie10aaaa: Wikipedia:WikiProject Videowiki Appears to be an obscure and moribund project, and I doubt that anyone here at the help desk can help. Try to ask on the project's talk page. Maybe someone is still monitoring it. -Arch dude (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to create a person's page[edit]

How to create a person's page Yasiriliyaskhan (talk) 17:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Yasiriliyaskhan: Check out WP:YFA Creating an article is not easy for new editors. Consider working on improving existing articles instead. RudolfRed (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wierd namespaces for search[edit]

When I go to the search page, my default spaces for search have four numbered spaces at the end: 108, 109, 446 and 447, which are Book (& its talk) and Education Program (& its talk). How do I either remove these from the list *or* get them changed to text? (I flipped a coin between here and WP:VPT and it came down HD.Naraht (talk) Naraht (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Naraht: I haven't seen that anywhere and all those namespaces have been removed. Do you mean the "Search in" box at Special:Search here at the English Wikipedia? Neither the numbers nor names appear for me. If "Remember selection for future searches" is checked then try to uncheck it, make two searches, and check it again. If it still happens then does it happen if you log out? What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? What is your language at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Naraht: Would you please take a screenshot first? If it's the checkbox which remembers removed namespaces then it can be filed as a bug report but if the issue can only be reproduced by users who used the checkbox before a namespace was removed then a screenshot would be good to document the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Remember Selection isn't checked. Vector 2022, English. Where should a screenshot be shared? It sounds my coin flip came down the wrong way and I should have started this on WP:VPT. :(Naraht (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Logging out gives only Article space in the search. Logging in restores 108, 109, 446 and 447.Naraht (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Naraht: Does it happen at Does it happen at simple:Special:Search? Maybe they never had Education Program at simple but I think they had Book. Are the namespaces in the "Add namespaces" drop-down list and/or the box above it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PrimeHunter Yes on safemode, and No on Simple (and no on German or Chinese, which in fact only show one lozenge which I believe is mainspace. They are in the "Search in" Box where each of the name spaces are in Lozenges. (rectangles with semi-circular caps and the "X" to remove them on the right side)Naraht (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Stadium (geometry)
Trappist the monk (talk) 02:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Trappist the monk Thank you, a Stadium.Naraht (talk) 03:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Naraht: Can you remove the namespaces on the X? If so, do that first, then check "Remember selection for future searches" and make a search. Do the namespaces come back later? If they are still there then what is your browser? Try to bypass your cache on Special:Search with Ctrl+F5 in Windows browsers, not with F5 or the reload button alone. Can you try another browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PrimeHunter: I'm less worried about fixing it than I am helping debugging it and if I do that, it might actually fix things.(1/2 :), I'm a software developer for a living)Naraht (talk) 14:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Chrome screenshots
I'm not Naraht, but I've been getting identical symptoms for months. It does happen in different browsers from my usual (including Chrome, which I use only for last-resort testing; I'm reasonably certain I've never visited Special:Search before with it). I don't get these on other Wikipediae or MediaWiki wikis, or if I visit with a private window; the extra namespaces don't appear if I expand the box to get the add-other-namespaces dropdown; they do disappear if I click the X's before expanding the box; and they reappear if I go to Special:Search later. No difference with the Remember-selection checkbox. —Cryptic 11:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the details and screenshot. I'm unable to reproduce this, also after flipping nearly all preferences in an alternative account. I'm out of ideas. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Post from Boudicca3[edit]

 – Added header Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 19:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wiki is posting propaganda about Hamas raping women on 7 October. There is NO evidence to support this and it has taken 2 months for Israel to make this claim, coincidentally when the United Nations has condemned Israel's atrocities in Gaza. Pages like this make Wikipedia disreputable. There is no forensic evidence to support these claims. Hamas has denied any rape took place - ironically they are asked to provide evidence - How do you provide evidence of NOT doing something? This page is truly scandalous and should be removed by Wikipedia, at least until FACTS (remember those?) are verified. Boudicca3 (talk) 19:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Boudicca3: Please discuss issues with articles on their talk pages. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 19:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Boudicca3 You should discuss your concerns on the appropriate article talk page(perhaps Talk:Hamas), but Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources state about a topic. Wikipedia- though we strive for accuracy- isn't necessarily about the facts or truth, but what can be verified- see WP:TRUTH. If independent sources make that claim about Hamas, and do so in error, you will need to speak to the sources, not us. If the sources are not being accurately summarized, that is something we can address. Also be aware that contributing about articles related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has its own special rules, I will notify you of these on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is complete nonsense. So Biden or Netanyahu state some opinion and you regard that as a source even though every media outlet has said, where's the evidence because there isn't any. And No. I am not going to discuss propaganda with those creating propaganda. I know the Americans love fake-facts but to subscribe to Israeli propaganda and I'm not saying it anywhere else. Wikipedia should delete this nonsense. Boudicca3 (talk) 19:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, Wikipedia doesn't (or should not) say that those opinions are true, merely that they were expressed by those sources. If there are opinions/evidence to the contrary from other "reliable sources", those should also be added to the article to provide balance – I urge you to find some and give their bibliographic details on the article's Talk page so that disinterested editors can assess and add them. However, to pretend that such allegations (even if false) have never been made would be misleading.
You may recall that during the Iraqui invasion of Kuwait, it was claimed that babies had been dumped out of incubators, but this was later shown to be false. In conflicts, propaganda happens, and it often takes some time to sift it out. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Boudicca3 If your views prevent you from civilly collaborating with other editors about this topic, then Wikipedia isn't the website for you. If you have sources saying that claims about Hamas are false, please offer them on the article talk page.331dot (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Appealing an editing restriction[edit]

How do you appeal an editing restriction, specifically to have one altered rather than removed? Dronebogus (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yours looks to be community-imposed, so WP:AN would be the way to go. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Dronebogus (talk) 07:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

how to help wikipedia -- i don't have money to contribute[edit]

wikipedia has helped me all throughout my life, and as a senior in hs now, i want to know how i can help. i don't have a job, so i can't donate, but is there anything else i can do? 2601:240:4D81:2490:94C3:BCA6:869B:54E2 (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there! You can help Wikipedia by visiting the Wikipedia:Community portal and help/improve articles that have maintenance tags. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 7[edit]

Referencing errors on Tara Singh (activist)[edit]

Reference help requested. Hi, how do I fix this this problem? Thanks, 2legittoquit (talk) 04:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@2legittoquit: If you look at the red error message, it says that you need to add the title to the {{cite web}} template. If you click the "help" link it will explain it in more detail. RudolfRed (talk) 04:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hi! to add to the above: to fill it up you may click the reference tag (not the one in the reference list, but the tag within the text) and fill up the Title form. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I cannot publish a page that I have edited[edit]

Hi, I am a student editor for Fall 2023, Adv Mol Bio course FSU, I have edited my assigned page but I cannot publish the change, every time I hit the publish button, this msg pops up, "No stashed content found for 0/ec502532-92e2-11ee-b91c-1f30e6a8b946" How can I make it work? CryingEM (talk) 05:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@CryingEM The Help desk archives have several threads about this. One recent advice was ... it is possible to "salvage" draft changes if the editor software has lost its cache (the "No stashed content found for [hex code string]" error). I did this by opening a new browser tab, navigating to the Wikipedia page I was editing, activating the editor again, and copying all my edits from the first editor window to the new one. This can be time-consuming, but I found that clicking the "Review your changes" button in the "Publish changes..." window in the first editor window helps to find all the edits made. Note that the editor you open in a new tab needs to be the same type (Visual Editor or source code editor) that you were using before the cache was lost. The issue seems to occur when you leave the editing window open for too long. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, Thanks, I manage to make it work, but that is in my sandbox draft for the wiki edu course. How can I move it live page? What is the procedure? CryingEM (talk) 15:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We already have an article called Electron cryotomography which you are free to edit, please DON'T overwrite it with your sandbox version that is not how it works. Theroadislong (talk) 15:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's the policy when a song title uses non-standard capitalization and punctuation?[edit]

There's a rather naughty song by the band Berlin from the early 1980s, for which the title given is Sex (I'm A...), as can be seen here. This does not comply with Wikipedia's manual of style, but who's to say that wasn't a deliberate artistic decision by the band? Mudwater wants to change the title to Sex (I'm a ...), but my position is we should retain the artist's original style. I couldn't find a clear policy on this in the MOS. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 06:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was certainly an artistic choice by the band, but it's an artistic choice of a kind that is reflected to many different degrees in many other places, such as company names. If every particular style was conformed to as originally presented, there would be a lot of genuine difficulty and confusion on an encyclopedia, and even more arguments regarding which forms are correct than there already are. So, generally there is a considerable narrowing of the possible capitalization presented in a title, with the original presentation not in itself overriding the Manual of Style. Generally, because it is important, the self-expressed style will be prominently placed at the top of the article so that people can see it. I hope that makes sense!
All that said, according to the corresponding part of the Manual of Style regarding titles of works, the original title is correct, in line with capitalizing of the final word in a title, even if it is normally not capitalized. Cheers! Remsense 06:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What about the lack of spacing before the ellipsis? MaxBrowne2 (talk) 07:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That I am distinctly less sure about. If it were a sequence in the body of an article, because of the parentheses MOS:ELLIPSES says to use a non-breaking space before the ellipsis, and no space after it, but one cannot put a non-breaking space in an article title, so my gut is to follow the consensus of other titles, which all seem to have no spaces around the ellipses. Hope this helps! Remsense 07:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the ellipsis marks a partial word (e.g. Sex (I'm A[pathetic])), then a space before the ellipsis would be incorrect. If it marks a word missing after the indefinite article (e.g. Sex (I'm A [Professional])) then a space after the ellipsis would be reasonable. If it's not known which applies, then we ought to stick to the referenced version. Bazza (talk) 22:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Isn't the correct term for this category comic novel? Can it be changed? Rwood128 (talk) 10:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rwood128 categories can be changed via Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. The reason for using "comedy novel" rather than "comic novel" may be to avoid confusion with comics. TSventon (talk) 11:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User script/way to find who wrote a sentence?[edit]

Say I want to find a contributor/list of contributors with this sentence from Sun: "In 1978, the abundances of singly ionized elements of the iron group were derived." Is there an easier way to do that than looking through the history? Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 13:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dialmayo you can use the Wikipedia:Who Wrote That? tool. TSventon (talk) 13:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you can't or don't want to install that browser extension, then you can use wikiblame which is a tool reached from View history → Find addition/removal at the top. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 15:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How should I approach this topic?[edit]

I am considering writing an article about an individual who stands accused of selling poison to over 100 people who committed suicide with his product. He has not been convicted of any crime yet, and the suicides are inseparable from the alleged actions of the accused poison-seller, so there is no way to cover the string of deaths without also implying a crime. Could anyone give me advice on how to approach writing this article? Should we delay making this article until someone is convicted? Thanks, Bremps... 16:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bremps if the individual is not a public figure the article should wait until they are convicted, see WP:BLPCRIME. TSventon (talk) 16:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bremps and TSventon: Since the person is deceased, it's no longer WP:BLPCRIME. It's just a single newsworthy subject. If it's notable (surely it is) then you may write the article. Just be very careful to not state conclusions in Wikipedia's voice. Sorry, I misread the story. accused is apparently still alive. -Arch dude (talk) 18:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Any article should be about the 100 plus related deaths and should not be a biography. No language stating or implying guilt should be used before any conviction. Cullen328 (talk) 21:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it alright to imply a crime being committed (without explicitly naming the suspect)? It would be impossible to write an article for the 100+ deaths without mentioning what unites them (the alleged source of the poison). Bremps... 02:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are there sources that mention the source of the suicide tools in the form of the online storefront rather than its owner / operator? I think we can say something like "selling suicide supplies is considered illegal in Country Y under statute Z", and if the venue of sale is not under dispute, there may not be a need to link it to a living person who is facing prosecution in order to create an encyclopaedia article about the linked deaths. Folly Mox (talk) 12:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
After some research, I found out that the accused has been allegedly selling under five different company names, which may make WP:COMMONNAME a bit difficult. Bremps... 04:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

अंग्रेजी में लेख लिख मे समस्या आ रही है[edit]


कोई भी लेख अंग्रेजी में नही लिख पा रहे Ramkripal YadvG (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ramkripal YadvG: This is the English-language Wikipedia. If you wish to write an article in another language, you should do so on the Wikipedia for that language. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Google Translate says
I am facing problem in writing article in English.
Yadav Ramkripal
Can't write any article in English
Perhaps the problem is inability to get the keyboard out of Nagari mode? —Tamfang (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Revert spam[edit]

This user (User:Denise Henriques) got indefinitely blocked for spamming, all its ~300 edits were spam. Like 60% of the edits got reverted but there are still lots of them waiting to be reverted. Is there some way to mass revert them? Gor1995 (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks like they've been reverted. In the future, mass reverts can be requested for an administrator to complete (I believe either at WP:AN or WP:ANI, depending on the urgency, but don't quote me on that). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 17:31, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, if you look closely at the contributions you'll see there's many of them still not reverted. Thanks for WP:AN and WP:ANI, i'll check them out! Gor1995 (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js for any daring rollbacker. ("daring" because people have gotten in trouble for misusing it before) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 17:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

reverse copivio?[edit]

I recently started an overhaul of the Irony article, which has been sorely neglected in spite of getting about 7,000 hits daily. Among its major problems were lack of supporting citations for most of the central claims and the inclusion of a lot of original research. There did not, however, appear to be any particular slant to the article or POV-pushing.

On a lark, I ran a copivio check, which came back with a shocking 91% likelhood of violation[5] with a handout from an AP English course[6] at a girls' prep school.

However, manually digging back through the site history, I became increasingly convinced that it was the teacher who plagiarized Wikipedia by distributing the contents of an article without attribution.

Is there any automated way to confirm this? And, if I am correct, is there anything that ought to be done? Maybe someone sends him a note requesting attribution be added to the document or something like that?

Here[7] is his school profile, which includes an email.

Please advise.

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My suggestion would be check when it was published (or failing that when it was first captured by the Wayback machine). From the document, that is 2019. Then see if the content up for debate was in the article before that was published. In the irony article, it seems to have had that content even then. So looks to be that it was plagiarism on their part. Not sure what to do about that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PatrickJWelsh: If you choose to contact the teacher or the school, please consider the possibility that the same individual created that PDF and also added the material to Wikipedia. If that happened, it's not a copyvio. More generally, the material may have been independently copied (with or without permission) from some other original source. -Arch dude (talk) 21:54, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I looked through a lot of the article history, and it seemed to come together organically over several years. Given the number of editors it has had, it's not plausible to me that somehow that much content in that form was somehow the work of a single editor.
Large-scale changes by one person generally jump out, even if they are implemented over several weeks. The article history was too long for me to review in its entirety, but I think I would have windowed in on that if it was what had happened.
Also, while a third source common to both is possible, it is quite strange that neither of them would cite it.
If there's no policy or governing precedent about this sort of thing, I'll just mull it over a bit longer. If I do contact him, I will make it clear that I speak only for myself, not Wikipedia.
Thanks for your input.
Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 22:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PatrickJWelsh: You could consider adding {{Backwards copy}} to the article's talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 23:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, that's perfect! I will add it tonight.
Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is Keith Kilmer (football) notable MagicalPrince863 (talk) 22:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MagicalPrince863: It depends on whether you could find multiple independent published reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". For more info, see Wikipedia:Notability (sports). GoingBatty (talk) 23:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox image[edit]

Per discussion at BLP noticeboard, I am searching for a neutral infobox image for R. Kelly so that I can move the "mugshot" to the more appropriate No. 5 section. Although I've been at WP for some time now, I am terrible when it comes to finding fair use, non-copyright images for BLPs. Can someone perhaps assist in finding such an image for the subject? TYIA! Maineartists (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Maineartists: Hi there! I suggest asking at Talk:R. Kelly. You could also use the {{Photo requested}} template as well, if you can find the appropriate parameter to specify you want a neutral infobox image. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, GoingBatty. I'll do that. The {{Photo requested}} is rather intimidating, but I'll give it a try! Maineartists (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The cupboard is a bit bare. Like with many such celeb's, you'd have to be lucky. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Maineartists, is this the guy? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång! Unfortunately, it is not R. Kelly. It is actually the author of the photo: Timmie K Miller Jr. But thanks for searching! Maineartists (talk) 14:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 8[edit]

It's Ladprao, not Lardprao, but I can't move the page, because Central Ladprao (official page) and CentralPlaza Ladprao are already occupied. How do I go about this? Thanks -- HvW (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

HvW see WP:RM#T for uncontroversial technical requests. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 00:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HvW, the article lead says it was previously known as CentralPlaza Lardprao, so the existing redirect at CentralPlaza Lardprao seems to be correct. TSventon (talk) 14:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, there is also the link It was available in 2014 and shows that Lardprao was used in Thailand at least in the past. -- HvW (talk) 15:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page Clarity[edit]


After losing my beloved daughter to brain cancer in 2009, i've devoted all energies to establishing research pathways to help cure children's brain cancer.

The late Queen Elizabeth II has recognized my efforts, outlined with your Wikipedia page "Mr Ren Pedersen O.A.M.".

Bizarrely, someone has cast a random/unknown, negative assertion and a "Caution" is highlighted on said Wikipedia page.

Many supporters have contacted me in disbelief, dismayed at such an unwarranted action.

I swear that ALL information on the "Ren Pedersen O.A.M." Wikipedia page is factual.

The current negative Wikipedia 'warning' infers dishonesty and is gravely effecting our capacity to timelinr pioneering scientific achievements & encourage charity for kids with terminal brain cancer.

As a matter of utmost urgency, please restore the "Ren Pedersen O.A.M." Wikipedia page to it's original unbiased template.

Your understanding and dilligence is dearly appreciated.


Mr Ren Pedersen O.A.M.

(Amy's dad) Brain Tumour Children's Advocate (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No. The person who added that template explained legitimate reasoning on the talk page. If you wish to dispute it, then that dispute must be worked out on the talk page. The template should stay until those concerns are resolved. I must say that a large list of facts cited to primary sources with zero secondary source coverage is not appropriate content for an encyclopedia article. Secondary sources are preferred.
In fact, because several parts of the article violate the WP:BLP policy, I have added a second tag requesting improved references. I have also commented on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Courtesy link: Ren Pedersen   Maproom (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have added a photo/file of Francis Lupton in the Francis Lupton section of this article - it is too big. Please make it the same size as the other photos. I cannot do this. Thanks (talk) 11:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are too many pics in that article, at least from the laptop perspective. There's not room for that many without overcrowding, the sections are too small. I suggest you weed some out. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not an expert on copyright status, but I'd say the more pressing problem with c:File:Francis Lupton II (1731–1770).jpg is not the size but rather the intrusive watermark reading "Handley Reg Lib – Winc Fred Co Hist Soc", whatever that means. Folly Mox (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've added "upright" here. Without this, vertical images tend to be too large.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Probably that they originally uploaded the specific pic. Afaik, we can still use it since it's old (the painting), but don't trust me on that. It's a Commons issue, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also as mentioned, Wikipedia/Commons images should not have watermarks.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
More on that at Commons:Watermarks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah: "The official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain".
This photographic reproduction is therefore also considered to be in the public domain in the United States." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a serious - yet possibly absurd - question, but I intend on editing The Man Who Used the Universe to fill in the plot section. I am obviously not the Chaheel Riens, (or am I?) but should I make some clarification that I have no connection to the book, other than having taken the name of an alien psychologist obsessed with the main character, and indirectly humanity itself?

Can aliens have a conflict of interest? Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Others may differ, but I don't think you need to make any clarification; many people use fictional character names as their Account name, and in this case it merely suggests you have a particular liking for the book, which is a natural motive for writing its plot summary. It would be different if you were using the name of a real person, or if a real person other than yourself (such as the author) were known to use the pseudonym elsewhere.
You've now prompted me to go and read the book soon – it's one of the few by Foster that I have a copy of but haven't yet read. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2023 NCAA Division I FBS College football article[edit]

Can you please fix the error i made about C-USA players of the reference Please fix it for me. (talk) 15:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you are talking about the reference you added to Jamey Chadwell, then unfortunately it seems that no improvement can be done, because the reference link is dead and Wayback Machine has no archived version of the URL. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Auto confirm my account[edit]

Hello, I've made more than 10 edits and my account is 8 days old but it is still not confirmed. Can you please help me out? Phsssttt (talk) 15:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm seeing nine edits here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for flagging! Still getting the hang of it. Phsssttt (talk) 17:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Phsssttt I see only 9 edits from you on the English Wikipedia, which are the only ones that count, so you're close! Also, you may actually get autoconfirmed on your 11th edit, if I remember correctly. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey @Mdaniels5757 thanks! Phsssttt (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Phsssttt Apart from the wise advice above, the clue is the word word 'auto'. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 15:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! Phsssttt (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's actually possible for administrators to confirm an account (not autoconfirm but the effect is the same). It can be requested at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed but it's rarely done because it's so easy to get autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Aye! Now I have made enough edits that the account is confirmed. Thank you for the help. :) Phsssttt (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Phsssttt Your urgency to be autoconfirmed seems to be related to your desire to create your autobiography at Rishi Amatya (now at WP:AfD) and to promote your book in a similar fashion at Draft:Radha: Wrath of the Maeju. In addition, you have uploaded a WP:NONFREE image for use in the Amatya article, which is not allowed for biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was in a hurry to create the page for Radha and the author, but I am, by no means, the author of the book (sadly). The user:phsssttt "autobiography" was a total dud moment. But thanks for checking the history. Will make necessary changes. Hope to be guided and learn as much to add the happenings of Nepali writers in English! Phsssttt (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

donating? maybe it should provide all available information[edit]

This may seem a bit abnormal... but I rarely use Wikipedia anymore. It's been years... Google provides info right away that sometimes it's not necessary to continue reading at the available links. Having said that, today I was curious to see what showed up here. To my surprise I see the notice to donate and just as I almost did, I stopped. As mentioned, I rarely use it but I'm sympathetic to many things being lost and affected because of the economy. Anyway, I wanted to see if my $100 contribution would be for a place that takes me into consideration. Unfortunately, it does not. You see, I was reading about the national flowers of each country and as being from Central America, I was hurt to see other fellow countries on the list but not mine. I mean, out of all the Central America countries, mine is the largest but it somehow, it did not make it on this list. How unfortunate. My desire to donate slowly dissipated. I am sorry. It just did. Maybe after the shock and blow I felt, has gone, I'll come back and make a smaller donation. Although, I might chose the monthly option just to see how well the information changes per topics as time goes by. I do hope they reach their goal. It'd be sad to see them go, even if I only use it when I have time and am curious. That Google sure does a lot... 2601:586:CB84:6760:F4D2:956C:48B:4EAF (talk) 16:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When you see a box with information in a Google search, Google often copied it from Wikipedia. There is a section at National symbols of Nicaragua#Flower but currently no Nicaragua section at List of national flowers#Central America and the Caribbean. Lists are rarely created in a complete state but grow gradually. This one originally had three countries (it was called "Floral emblem" at the time). There was probably nobody who ever decided to omit Nicaragua. There just isn't anyone who has added it yet. You can do it yourself. Wikipedia is written by volunteers. There is no application process and you don't even need an account. Many volunteers prefer to write about their own country. Nicaragua has a relatively small population and I think English is a small language there. We have a limited number of Nicaraguan volunteers and would love more. We have Wikipedia:WikiProject Nicaragua but it's listed as semi-active. The search Nicaragua currently shows mention in 40,000 articles in the English Wikipedia. Some countries have much more but it's not like we ignore you. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Copied the info from National symbols of Nicaragua#Flower to List of national flowers#Central America and the Caribbean. GoingBatty (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating a Wikipedia page for Cruz Foam[edit]

Hello! I am hoping to inquire about a Wikipedia page for my company "Cruz Foam". We had been drafting one through a third party provider, that we no longer are able to reach. Our page seems to only live on WikiAlpha, and we are hoping to get it live on the Wikipedia site. Please help!! Kiara Heacock (talk) 16:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC

@Kiara Heacock: To have a Wikipedia article, a company must be notable by our definition: See WP:NCORP. There are more than 333 million companies in the world. Most of them are not notable. If after reading the definition, you are certain that you company is notable, then please come back here for the messy details. -Arch dude (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, "my company" leads to obvious problems with policies such as WP:COI and WP:BOSS. Best to think again here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Kiara Heacock. When you write We had been drafting one through a third party provider, that we no longer are able to reach, that leads me to suspect that you have been scammed. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. Cullen328 (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for WikiAlpha, they indiscriminately accept almost everything, so having an article there means nothing here. Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Usage of romanized forms of place names[edit]

I am referring to place names such as those in French Polynesia. Commonly, the spelling is romanized for the article name. The issue is whether, in the text of an article, we should be using the native spelling or the romanized version.

I had been under the impression that the accepted practice was to use the romanized spelling, aside from direct quotes and similar situations, and to give alternative spellings at the beginning of each affected article. Recently, though, I have noticed one editor going through and changing to use the native spelling. Is this a settled issue? What is the accepted convention? Fabrickator (talk) 18:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Fabrickator: I'd go with its WP:COMMONNAME and see what most English reliable sources refer to it as. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About two thirds down the page, the black and white old photo captioned "Francis Lupton III, landowner" (NOT the colour Francis II painting) is still far too big compared to the other photos. Please make it smaller - about the size of Joseph Lupton's photo which is just below it. Thank you. (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IP editor. Using |upright=0.75 seems to do the trick. You could do that yourself: see Help:Pictures. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need help improving tables[edit]

Is there any way to improve the layout, display, and readability of text for readers on both mobile and desktop in this table? If not, is there a better way of presenting the information? I've tried making changes (without saving them, just previewing) for both mobile and desktop, and I suspect this is as good as it is going to get. It would be nice to have all the text aligned in each column, but doing this on desktop seems to make the mobile version unreadable. I could use some help. Viriditas (talk) 21:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Viriditas I think that you could either 1) put the title under the images, hence giving more space in the column for the commentary or 2) remove the table altogether and use sub-sections for each woodcut. I'd favour (2). Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was strongly considering the second option, but wanted a bit more encouragement before I did it. I'll try out the first option first, however, to see if it helps. Thanks, again. Viriditas (talk) Viriditas (talk) 22:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi! New noms aren't showing up atop today's log, even when manually added. I just tried to do that when Twinkle hiccuped, but no dice. Any ideas? I know a bot will be along to note those that are missing step 3, but I like to try and clean up after myself. Thanks so much. Star Mississippi 23:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Star Mississippi: Looks like there was an HTML comment that ended in —> rather than --> and so everything was hidden up until the next HTML comment closing tag. Should be fixed now. Tollens (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep. The missing ones are back. Thank you @Tollens! Star Mississippi 23:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

December 9[edit]


I have a simple question that I can't find the answer to anywhere. I need a detailed terrain map of Europe without a texts, but with the Urals, rivers and coordinates like many in Wikipedia, but only parts of the continent, like the one below are available. How to get it or create it? Krystof Woroniecki (talk) 07:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The folks at WP:GL/MAP can help you with that. Mathglot (talk) 10:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Long Beach Township Beach Patrol listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 December 3?[edit]

Why is "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Long Beach Township Beach Patrol" listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 December 3? --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jax 0677: I've removed it from the log. An admin deleted the AfD but apparently neglected to edit the log. Deor (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removing comments from talk pages[edit]

Re: revision removing my comment and associated vote

I am really confused by how I’m supposed to understand why my comment was removed. From the revision log the comment seems to have attracted a very large number of negatives (all other revisions have a green number, for some reason mine has a red number). I don’t know what those negatives are. Do people get to upvote/downvote votes?

Can a scholarly editor without bias about Israel/Palestine conflict help me understand what has happened here please? EthicalAugur (talk) 16:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@EthicalAugur: Firstly, those numbers just count how much the page grew or shrunk by, it's not a score. The reason your comment was removed was linked in the edit summary: WP:ARBPIA. To clarify that a bit more, that is an arbitration case that adopted that editors who don't have 500 edits and a 30-day old account cannot edit about the Palestine–Israel conflict, except to post edit requests. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I have had another look and understand that now. The arbitration page is really messy. Was this arbitration something I was supposed to know about? Did it exist before my comment or did an administrator decide after my comment? I’m obviously missing something because I can’t see reference to the removal of my comment at all, just a very long record of ‘statements’ and a list of dates at the top that don’t mean anything to me. EthicalAugur (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that's an old case that involved many problems in the topic area. The remedy was then decided upon to limit future problems by making sure only somewhat experienced people would edit affected articles. Actually the person who reverted you linked the wrong case; ARBPIA was the first case about this topic area, but the relevant one is the newest one, WP:ARBPIA4. The section relevant to this conversation is WP:ARBPIA4#ARBPIA General Sanctions. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok. Thanks.
You commented that “ that is an arbitration case that adopted that editors who don't have 500 edits and a 30-day old account cannot edit about the Palestine–Israel conflict, except to post edit requests”
In the past where there has been an arbitration case with this ruling I have not been able to edit.
In this case I was able to edit, but my edit was then deleted.
Was the arbitration decision made as a response to my comment? EthicalAugur (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many articles where there are problems with many new editors editing against the rules are protected so that you only can edit it if you are extended-confirmed, which correspond to the arbitration remedy's restriction. But not all pages that contain affected content are protected, and talk pages in particular are generally not because edit requests still are allowed. So while protection is a way to enforce the remedy, the lack of protection on a page does not mean the remedy does not apply. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:59, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

how can I remove a photo?[edit]

I am trying to edit a page that has a photo on it that is not meant to be there - how can I remove it? rpic 17:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raypic (talkcontribs)

Hello, Raypic. Which article are you talking about and why do you think the photo is "not meant to be there"? Cullen328 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]