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Adding national flower to Nigeria

I observed that the national flower of Nigeria is an information that should be on the info box of the Nation's wiki page, but I can't seem to edit nd add that information. Any help? ReoMartins (talk) 06:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@ReoMartins Hi, I can't find a parameter on the infobox country called national flower or something of that like. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The info box is intended to summarize basic key information about the country. Its national flower is of comparatively little consequence. It isn't even mentioned in our list of national flowers. If you can cite a reliable source you could add it somewhere else in the Nigeria article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira I wonder why it wasn't there though. I have added it now. Many thanks for pointing it out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I live in California, where we are very proud of Eschscholzia californica, also known as the Golden Poppy, which is our state flower. We also have great affection for the Golden trout (also known as Oncorhynchus mykiss aguabonita) which is our state fish. We are also exceptionally fond of the California quail (also known as Callipepla californica), which is our state bird. And so on. But none of that appears in the California infobox, because it is not essential information. Instead, that content is covered in List of California state symbols, which also informs us that rice is the official state grain. Given the extensive rice fields that dominate much of the Northern Sacramento Valley, this is not surprising, even though I think of it infrequently . I recommend a similar structure for Nigerian national symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@ReoMartins The fact is that we already do this every which way, e.g. we have articles for a specific type of national symbol (List of national fruits) and we have articles for national symbols generically for a specific country (National symbols of Ecuador), and sometimes we may have an article section that covers this, and sometimes we may even have a narrow class of symbols for a specific country (List of Indonesian floral emblems, National flower of the Republic of China). Additionally, we have articles for a specific type of symbol that allows listings for all countries (such as List of national birds). We also have "lists of lists" (Lists of national symbols). And in some cases, we have lists of a specific type of symbol for a country's territories (e.g. List of U.S. state songs). Occasionally, this information even appears in an infobox (e.g. Kentucky)! Fabrickator (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I really find the info box for Kentucky quite comprehensive and interesting. It would be nice that as an encyclopedia, we are able to contribute information about certain topics as long as it is a notable one. To which i believe that countries would do well to include national symbols on their respective info boxes to interest page visitors as a vital information. Speaking from my region, a lot of us here are ignorant of the fact that certain national symbols exists, just like a national plant. Hence, my suggestion for it to be included and ultimately advancing the objectives of the movement - promoting knowledge. ReoMartins (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

http://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1033&diff=1973130123&oldid=1968008491 ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 17:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Helping with draft article Kate Hayllar

I have edited this draft to help to get it accepted. But I don't know if these changes will get back to the editor who said it needed improvement. Could this be arranged. BFP1 (talk) 09:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@BFP1 The WP:AfC process doesn't rely on the same reviewer taking another look. If you are convinced that you have overcome the issues they mentioned, then just resubmit Draft:Kate Hayllar using the big blue button within the decline notice and the draft will go back into the review process. Before you do that, please remove the two external links to auction houses in the text in the last section. They could be turned into citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Michael. BFP1 (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for further help — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFP1 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Grammar mistakes

How do I make sure there is no grammar mistakes when I write a page? 5002 Reset (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

You could paste what you have written into a Word doc or a Google doc. Or you could use Grammarly or similar. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 23:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

"Hi.." wasn't an informative or helpful title, so I changed it. ¶ None of NightWolf1223's methods will ensure that there are no grammar mistakes. They might reduce the likelihood of mistakes, but that's all. Another way to reduce the likelihood is to read aloud what you have written, to adjust it till it no longer sounds strange, and only then to "publish" it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

5002 Reset, I'm sure you've heard about ChatGPT and other large language models. One uncontroversial thing that AI is great for, is writing grammatically, or copyediting raw text to make sure the grammar is correct. I suggest you try signing up for a free account on one of them, and ask it to copyedit your text, and then you can be sure there will be no grammar mistakes. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

but then you'd need to take at least one good look at what's actually written there, so it doesn't try to add anything weird, like overly descriptive promotional gibberish, needlessly complicated words, or fake sources

from my somewhat limited experience, the best you can actually do with one without accidentally butchering your own work is seeing how phrases can be written

handle your chatbots with care, kids cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

NightWolf1223 Grammarly is a useless app created by Ukrainians, who use American as the priority, and claim English words are spelt incorrectly. Danstarr69 (talk) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

article is appropriate for inclusion

Hello Wikipedia, Please, I believe that article is appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia and has now met all the requirements. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:197.148.73.155 Lo9999* (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lo9999*: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1200. You or someone else has already submitted the draft twice for review; once is enough. A reviewer will get to it eventually. It is also in the wrong namespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lo9999* The draft has been submitted for review and is now among those being considered. There are a large number of other drafts also awaiting review, some much longer than yours. The Talk Page of an IP is an odd place for a Draft, which would be better if moved to Draft:BJ Sam or similar. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

It's probably there due to numerous past issues with UPEs promoting this person - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rubiesar/Archive. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

.... And numerous times the title at Draft:BJ Sam has been deleted. I'll comment on the current draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

No need. The draft has now been rejected. @Lo9999* This means "give up, Wikipedia will not accept an article about this person". in case you are in any doubt. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: OP has been blocked as a sockpuppet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to look for the bibliography of Oliver Tambo

looking for bibliography of Oliver Tambo 41.116.178.4 (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1200. You have already asked this at the Help Desk. Please keep an eye on your question there, as it has been replied to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

How to?

How can I remove the "Template:" part when adding a new page? LittleMonsterrrrrrr (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, LittleMonsterrrrrrr. You've accidentally started a template rather than a draft article. Please see Help:Your first article on how to do the latter. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Citations when editing

Hello, I wanted to come here and ask if there's a command to enter citations when editing an article, or if theres a wikipedia page for this question. Like if I added something on an article that is important to the topic of the article and I wanted to add a citation for it, how would I do it? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The exact method varies depending on what editor and what kind of citation you want to add. Help:Referencing for beginners is probably what you want to read. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look at the link you provided me. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's also a video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN that you might find helpful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable Alumni Question

Hello Teahouse. I wanted to ask a question regarding notable alumni being listed for universities. I read through Wikipedia:Notable alumni and it mentions offering a few examples in the university article. Then where there are too many being moved to their separate page for "List of Alumni from X University". Though, I will also note that it states that page is only to be used for historical reference and is no longer the main consensus. My main questions regarding this are as follows:

1. What determines who stays in the main article and who gets relegated to the list page. Is that typically something that is hashed out on talk page for the respective university?

2. If there is someone who is notable for not exactly the greatest of reasons, would that be a reason to keep them off of the main article page and relegate them only to the list page?

Kind Regards! - Apks94 (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Apks94. In my view, the university article talk page is the proper place to sort this out. As for excluding a person who is notable for not exactly the greatest of reasons, that should not be a factor in the decision. For example, there are 33 alumni listed at the main Harvard University article. Among them is Ted Kaczynski. Cullen328 (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Archiving the source

Recently i used a YouTube video as source in Bijaya Kumar Maurya. Can anyone help me in archiving it. The source no. 8 Admantine123 (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Typically, YouTube is not considered a reliable source because anyone can make a YouTube video and say whatever they want. The exception is if a reliable news source posted a YouTube video, in which case it can be usually be used as a source. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Just checked the source. It's an interview, which means it can only be used to establish basic, uncontroversial fact. Read Wikipedia:Interviews, it can explain it better than I can. Also, I guess I ignored your initial question; What do you mean by "archiving" the source? Industrial Insect (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i used it only for uncontroversial basic information about the subject Admantine123 (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123: Hi there! I've seen many YouTube videos archived at Ghost Archive. You can go to https://ghostarchive.org/ to check if it's already been archived, and request it be archived if it hasn't been already. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Let me try Admantine123 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you visit the article to check whether I have done it properly or not. I submitted the link for Archival and included the archived link in my reference. Check it pls at the article Admantine123 (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123: Your edit to add the archive was fine, except you forgot the edit summary. I fixed other parameters of the reference in this edit. GoingBatty (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I need help with a box!

Ok, so I want a box like here, List of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir episodes if you go to the section that says Series Overview, below that, when I try to make a box like that, it tells what I coded! It doesn’t show to box! If you don’t understand, I’ll try to explain later, thanks! :) Xuppu (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Xuppu: Hi there! There are instructions at Template:Series overview showing how to use it. In these kinds of situations, I sometimes copy the code for a table that I like, paste it into a sandbox, make the changes I want, confirm it looks good, and then save it. Then I can copy the good code into the appropriate article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Xuppu (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Just when I copied it, it showed the code! Is there some extensions on the wiki? Because I’m new to it. Xuppu (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you in visual mode or source mode? I find it easier to work on visual mode. Either way, working on some source code is good practice. Good luck! :) Professor Penguino (talk) 03:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Xuppu. The double curly bracket begins a template, in this case, the one called {{Seasons}}. But the software will not process it until it sees the matching close curly bracket, which you haven't yet got. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Xuppu (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Need help with an article

I want to create an article for a football club near me. I have information about the club, I just don't possess the skills to create a new article. Can anyone help? Yourlocalmackem (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Replied at your talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

You can head over to WP:Article wizard to start. Professor Penguino (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

New article

There's a big upcoming event in a few days. Would it be appropriate for me to start an article about it? it definitely fits notability standards. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you can provide multiple published reliable sources to meet the criteria at WP:NEVENT, then it's probably OK. If not, then it may be too soon for an article, but you could start a draft, which you could update with sources published after the event. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 04:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Advice for newcomer

I am a new user, with only basic knowledge of editing (Bold text,Italic text,links). I do not know where to begin in terms of editing pages and such. What should I do? Data Devourer (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Data Devourer, WP:TUTORIAL and WP:TASKS may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! I will check them out. Data Devourer (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

You may also find the WP:VisualEditor easier for you to use, @Data Devourer, as it is WYSIWYG. Qcne (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Data Devourer, you might also enjoy the Wikipedia:Adventure, and then the Task center. Mathglot (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

LIfe

This is not a request for assistance with editing or using Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

why do i exist? Pleese help 212.85.65.110 (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

You might want to read Meaning of life. Lectonar (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Tank Uuuuu:)

LOVE YOU

Youre the bestest 212.85.65.110 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

no you Gunnar Moberg (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

ICT/ENTREPENURESHIP

How can Abraham Maslow create the hierchy of needs Uwulammajkjk (talk) 12:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This board is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Abraham Maslow Maproom (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

That makes a little more sense, but he died in 1970- perhaps the OP meant "how did" rather than "how can"? 331dot (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Moving article from sandbox to Wikipedia

How do I move the article from my sandbox to the Wikipedia Floraalbert (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. This is automatically provided if you use the Article Wizard or Articles for Creation to create drafts instead of your sandbox. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Moving a page for the procedure, however, I would advise against moving drafts to article namespace yourself until you've got a few accepted draft submissions. User:Floraalbert/sandbox is underreferenced. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

xtools.wmflabs.org not working

xtools.wmflabs.org is not working for me. I usually use it for if I want to look for edits my be for a page. Cwater1 (talk) 15:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1: Hi there! You're not the only one experiencing this issue - see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#XTools not working. GoingBatty (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay. I just I inform the teahouse about it. Hopefully something can be fixed. Thanks and good luck. Cwater1 (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The problem got fixed. Cwater1 (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Can this article have its notability status reviewed?

I added information which seems to give the biography notability:

Michael P. Grace II Starlighsky (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Starlighsky. As it says at H:MTR, if you think the issue has been adequately addressed, you may remove the template. If you want a second opinion, one of the WikiProjects linked in the article's talk page would be a better place to request that than here. ColinFine (talk) 14:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky - another helpful place that I found is at WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment, Requesting an assessment. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion for my draft article "List of Video Game Modes"

~Maplestrip/Mable suggested I convert the draft of my article (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft_talk:List_of_video_game_modes) to sub-categories in the definition of video game-related term page. Are the sources cited valid evidence, if I was to proceed? UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I suggested that it might serve as a decent subsection or division if we want to split up the long glossary of terminology in a way different from just alphabetical. But I hadn't put much thought into it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. To clarify, I wasn't intending to go behind your back by posting this here, another user recommended I post this issue to Teahouse. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Guidance on deleting inaccurate information?

Hello,

I recently had an edit reverted for being non-constructive. The information I deleted was incorrect--the page claimed that Knott County was the second-to-last county to flip from Democrat to Republican in Kentucky, when in actuality Hancock, Henderson and Franklin Counties all voted for Obama in 2008, whereas Knott County did not. Adding these additional qualifications to the statement in the article seemed overly cumbersome and possibly on violating Wikipedia:NOTSTATS. Should I have given a better description of my edit? Floated the deletion in the talk page? As it stands currently, the information on the page is inaccurate, so it needs to be fixed somehow. Thanks! 2600:1700:13F0:8330:5D0B:52AB:38E5:D15A (talk) 16:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Your edit seems fine. @Qalila: I would suggest you review edits a bit closer before reverting, especially without leaving a descriptive edit summary when doing so. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I've re-removed the sentence. The source provided doesn't even support the statement that Knott County was the second-to-last county to flip from Democrat, only that it flipped in 2008 (which is already stated in the previous sentence).

But for future reference, if you are reverted it would be a good idea to discuss the reverted content on the talk page, especially if the removal can be seen as controversial. See WP:BRD for more information. SkyWarrior 16:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding template within ref tags in VE

Hi. Template:Creative Commons text attribution notice is usually placed within <ref> tags. Is there a way to put a template inside ref tags in Visual Editor? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Coming here after a long time. Recently at Wikimania, I captured this interesting image that relates to VisualEditor. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Clayoquot Yes but it is tedious and much easier in the source editor. In VE, I think that you would need first to do the citation and then use the drop-down "Insert" menu to choose "Template", then type in the first part of the name of the template until the software offers the template you require. The next part in the case you want is to fill in the parameters, which can get very fiddly! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the chuckle TheAafi and thanks for the answer Mike. This user experience is awful. Beyond the fiddlyness of it, it doesn't even work - the template ends up in the body rather than in the references section. What is the best way to complain to the WMF about the technology for citing sources? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 14:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Clayoquot You can use this link [2] to file a bug report in phabricator. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

General feedback can be given here. To be honest, I think you would be better to give up VE and use the source editor, as I believe most serious contributors do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, both of these suggestions are helpful. I'm fine with the source editor myself, but when I'm training others they might find this difficult. And this might be a question more for wp:VPT but would it be possible to just add some parameters about licensing to Template:Citation so there isn't a need to put templates inside of templates? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

David Scheffel

This page needs a lot of work to bring it up to Wikipedia standards, but I can't decide if it's a candidate for deletion. Could someone here take a gander? Tx. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I have just now removed a large, inappropriate chunk of it. What remains doesn't obviously merit an article, but I haven't made any attempt to look elsewhere for evidence of notability. -- Hoary (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Possible alien hoax

I'm trying to find some information about a possible alien hoax that is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. The (possible) hoax involves the Mexican government showing alleged alien corpses dating from over 1000 years old. (Sources: [3] and [4]) Davest3r08 (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Would this be eligible for an article? Davest3r08 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Davest3r08. I suggest it might be more appropriate to work to expand on the article about the hoaxer, Jaime Maussan. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Gallery problem

Putting wikipedia File: and Image: into a gallery is easy, all you have to do is to quote the File: or Image:

But how does one do this if the File: or Image: is located on an external website? ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Colour File: AAaa
Colour Image: BBbb
File: LMS Tickets 0425
Image:LMS Tickets 0425

MountVic127 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't display external images at all, actually. To use any image, you'll have to upload the file to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, first checking that . This is in part to avoid those copyright issues - it's much easier to verify that all the images hosted on Wikipedia are not copyrighted or are available under a license compatible with the project than it is to check external links. Before you upload any images, please make sure you understand the copyright policy, as well as the image use policy. Tollens (talk) 03:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@MountVic127: Welcome to the Teahouse. You could use the {{External media}} template, if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 04:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Question

How would one rename an article a name already the name of a redirect? Professor Penguino (talk) 04:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino: If the redirect has more than one entry in the page history, an administrator will have to perform the move - you can make a request at WP:Requested moves. Tollens (talk) 05:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Someone else already has. Community consensus was unanimous in favor of the move. Should I put it on an admin noticeboard? Professor Penguino (talk) 05:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

That discussion will automatically be flagged for review by an administrator seven days after it began (September 15) - there's nothing more you need to do besides wait a little while and it will be moved. Tollens (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, cool! Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 05:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Facebook Images?

I'm trying to address the issue of dead and raw URLs on Shocker Toys, but the issue is that some of the references are links to Facebook, and all of the Facebook content is gone. They have either been deleted or set to private. What should you do in this situation? Thanks all. Junemoon19 (talk) 03:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Junemoon19. You titled this discussion "Deleted Facebook Images?", but you appear to be asking whether Facebook is considered OK to cite as a reliable source. If you're asking about the latter, then you might want to take a look at WP:UGC and WP:RS/P#Facebook. In general, most of the content found on Facebook is considered to be user-generated content that is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes since there is almost never any sort of rigorous editorial control being applied to what's been posted; however, the official Facebook account of the subject of the article may in some cases be OK to cite as explained here, here, here and here as long as the content isn't overly self-serving or otherwise contentious, and it isn't about some other third-party. If you're unable to access the content to assess it yourself, you can seek additional input on the article's talk page or at WP:RSN. The source might still have some value even if it's no longer readily accessible, and could marked with a template like {{Dead link}}, {{Better source needed}} or {{Primary source inline}} instead of simply removing it. You might also want to try looking for other sources that might be used to support the same content, and use them to replace the Facebook citations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, thank you for taking the time to answer. I think you misunderstood me. The issue is not Facebook itself, but the fact that I am unsure what to replace the dead link with, because the linked Facebook photo was deleted. But the information you provided is useful. Another question I would have is whether it is proper to stack in-line templates on top of each other? For example, one of the Facebook links already have a {{User-generated source}} template. Would it be okay to add a {{Dead link}} template to it as well? I will also take a look at WP:RSN and to try looking for the same information elsewhere.

Junemoon19 (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ideally, you should first try and resolve the matter yourself; for example, dead links can sometimes be resolved per WP:DEADREF. If you're too pressed for time or otherwise unable/unwilling to try and resolve the problem yourself, tagging is OK since it lets others know about the problem; however, you have to avoid what's considered WP:TAGBOMBing or WP:OVERTAGGING (i.e. tagging something excessively or drive-by tagging) since many members of the Wikipedia community don't view such a thing favorably. If you do add a maintaince template to an article, make sure you leave an edit summary clearly explaining why. It's also a good idea to try and minimize the number of template you add as possible and focus only on the major issues instead trying to add a template for everything wrong with the article. You'll find other suggestions about how to go about adding maintenance templates to articles in the essay WP:RESPTAG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about foreign language policy

Hello, hate to return so soon, but this is an important question to improve my knowledge as an editor. I have noticed many articles written in other languages (not English) that are very short, cited poorly and are not marked as stubs. For example, I am working on editing the article "Doraemon 2: SOS! Otogi no Kuni" which was initially translated from Japanese, and am befuddled at the fact that it got accepted in the first place (due to previously mentioned lack of citations ((Zero, to be exact,)) and being a stub). To organize my thoughts, I have 3 questions: 1. Is the policy for article acceptance the same as on English Wikipedia, 2. Should I tag this specific article for deletion as it is a stub, for lack of notability (Used WP:VG/S and got basically nothing, three pages in Russian of the four results.), and having zero sources, 3. If I were to tag the article for deletion, should I also tag the pages in other languages for deletion, or is this not an issue I should handle? Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Unexpected. No, the policy is not the same in different Wikipedias. I believe that English Wikipedia is stricter than many.

Note also that our policy was not always so strict: if an article has been around here for a long time, it may never have been "accepted" in any formal way. We have many thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not get accepted today. All of them need attention; however, not all of them should be deleted. Some are on subjects which do meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and should be kept and improved; others should indeed be deleted.

You are very welcome to nominate articles for deletion, if you have searched for and failed to find suitable sources: see WP:BEFORE. ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

(ec) Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. As an example, the German Wikipedia encourages businesses to register accounts to speak for the business(i.e. a "Mercedes Benz" account) but that is not allowed on the English Wikipedia. Articles that are accepted(or tolerated) on other language Wikipedias would not necessarily be acceptable here. The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others. You can certainly nominate each language version of an article for deletion, but you would need to make sure it does not meet the policies of that particular Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, @331dot, I appreciate both of your responses, the feedback will allow for me to become a better editor going forward. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

[EC] Your questions, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition:

I can't be bothered to read up on ja:WP's policy for article acceptance and therefore can't give a direct answer. If you're asking "Is the utterly unreferenced ドラえもん2 SOS!おとぎの国 some sort of freak, or is it normal for ja:WP?", then: "The latter".
"Tagging for deletion" is ambiguous. You are of course free either to propose the deletion of Doraemon 2: SOS! Otogi no Kuni or to take it to AfD. Whether you "should" do this depends on the interpretation of should. It would be proper to do so; you're not obliged to do so.
If you think that the Italian, the Japanese, and/or the Vietnamese page should be deleted, you'd better read up on the notability and other relevant policies of the particular Wikipedia and check that these policies really do proscribe such an article. If they do, then you proceed at that Wikipedia, not in this one. -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The JP Wikipedia page states I cannot nominate the page for deletion until I achieve registered status, so I will respect their wishes and wait until Friday to nominate the article. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: If you're going to start nominating articles for deletion on other language Wikipedias, then you should be fairly competent in that language to allow you to smoothly interact with the members of that Wikipedia's community. For example, if you're going to nominate a Japanese Wikipedia article for deletion, you should have a really good understanding of Japanese so that you not only can communicate effectively with the members of the Japanese Wikipedia community but are also able to understand the policies and guidelines of Japanese Wikipedia and how they tend to be applied. By "have a really good understanding", I mean you should not plan on relying on translation sites or software to help you navigate through any such discussion since (1) such a thing would probably be fairly obvious the other participants and (2) they might not too willing to adjust their comments to your level of understanding. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware. Forgot to mention it here, but I decided they should be allowed to change their own articles. It would be a headache changing all of the poorly cited, unnotable, or downright a sentence long. I have, however, been learning French and Japanese on Duolingo since early this year, so once I feel competent (in those languages), I will begin making such decisions. This thread will self destruct in five, four, th- wait, wrong thread. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 11:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Help me, I have intermediate english level

Hi, i created this article, Draft:Cheshme Belghais Garden. but i think it has grammar and other techincal english problems. please someone check that article and fix my problems. i'm new to wiki and have not good english level. thanks. 2.184.185.31 (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I have tidied up the grammar. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

and I've tweaked the quoted coordinates so it corresponds to the existing Wikidata item Q5921914. I also used a WP:NAMED reference. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I further corrected certain sentences to use more proper grammar. : UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Advanced

Citing entire lists

Hello Teahouse, My question is this: the page List of Food Network Challenge episodes is completely without citations. I have not begun research to find secondary sources yet, as I wanted to ask this question first; do I have to cite every single episode, or should I just cite each season? Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

How to watch video

all 41.116.3.141 (talk) 13:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Which video do you want to watch? In Wikipedia you would normally click on the ▶ symbol.Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability across different languages

Does a subject notable enough to have it’s own article on another language Wikipedia warrant having an article on English Wikipedia? For a specific example, I’d like to translate the article Selo RISCO from Portuguese Wikipedia into English. Selo RISCO is an independent record label based in São Paulo. It is a lot more notable, and “article worthy” to a Brazilian audience so I’m unsure as to whether or not I should make it a page on English Wikipedia.

In short: Because a subject is notable in another language, does it warrant an English article by the merit of it being notable in another language? 𓂀 SaluteVII 𓀀 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SaluteVII: in short, no. Every language version of Wikipedia is a separate project with their own rules and guidelines, including for notability. The English-language one (AFAIK) has the strictest requirements, therefore it often happens that an article is accepted into one of the other language versions, but not accepted here. Therefore the first thing you should do before starting to translate is to check whether the sources cited in the original are enough to meet our notability requirements, and if not, whether you can find such new sources that would; otherwise you could be wasting your time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

More info can be found at Help:Translation. Lectonar (talk) 14:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Restoring deleted Wikipedia article about M. D. Parashar

Hello Teahouse community,

I hope you are all doing well. I recently attempted to restore a Wikipedia article about my father, M. D. Parashar, a wildlife artist, which was deleted in 2021. I believe there was a misunderstanding regarding its notability, and I would appreciate some guidance on how to proceed.

M. D. Parashar was born and raised in Ranthambhore, Rajasthan, India, and he graduated from the Rajasthan School of Art. He gained recognition worldwide for his exceptional paintings of tigers using lampblack or soot as his medium. His artworks have been showcased in galleries and museums across the globe, and he received numerous awards for his outstanding contributions to wildlife art.

I have meticulously compiled three reliable sources that support my assertion of M. D. Parashar's notability:

The article on Saffronart.com, which provides an in-depth exploration of his work and showcases images of his paintings: Saffronart Article
The article on DNA India, which discusses his unique use of soot as a medium for his paintings: DNA India Article
The article on Newsweek, which reports on a video of a tiger fighting a wild boar that was filmed by M. D. Parashar: Newsweek Article
MDParashar.com: This is the official website of M. D. Parashar and serves as a reliable source for information about his work and achievements.

In addition to these sources, I have found two more platforms that showcase Parashar's work:

Fine Art America: This website seems to feature Parashar's art but may not provide enough independent coverage to establish notability on its own.
Artenblu: Similar to Fine Art America, this website showcases Parashar's work but may not offer substantial independent coverage. These sources collectively provide substantial evidence of my father's notability and his significant contributions to the field of wildlife art. I kindly request the Wikipedia community's assistance in restoring the Wikipedia page dedicated to my father so that his remarkable work can be appropriately documented and celebrated.

. I kindly request the Wikipedia community's assistance in restoring the Wikipedia page dedicated to my father so that his remarkable work can be appropriately documented and celebrated.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Could you kindly provide advice on the best approach for restoring the article and addressing any conflict of interest?

I want to ensure that my father's remarkable work is appropriately documented and celebrated while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.

i also added sources to my talk page i don't know that's correct way or not ?

Thank you for your assistance. Best regards, Ayush.parashar27 Ayush.parashar27 (talk) 10:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ayush.parashar27 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review conflict of interest as you should formally disclose that on your user page. I apologize for being frank here, but Wikipedia is not interested in "celebrating" anything, and is not for mere documentation. The article about your father was deleted as a result of this deletion discussion. If you would like to request that it be restored as it was, or even just copied to your sandbox/user space, that may be done at this page. If you want to write an article from scratch, you should use Articles for Creation to create a draft and explain on the draft talk page that you are attempting to address the concerns of the deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ayush.parashar27 Source #1 is an auction site that was selling your father's work, so is not WP:Independent (and the link that ought to go to his biography is dead for me). #2 is based on an interview, so is also not independent. #4, his own website, is clearly not.... and so on. Please read this guidance for the notability requirements and these criteria for the sources that will be needed to establish them. There is general guidance here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ayush. Building on what Mike Turnbull says, note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

editing a corporate page

Good morning,

I am a content manager at Ethan Allen headquarters, and our Wikipedia page is desperately in need of an update. We just finished our annual report for this fiscal year, so it's a good time to put up the most up-to-date information on our page.

I don't just want to jump on and start editing. I want to be respectful of the community and transparent, since I work for Ethan Allen and obviously have a self-interested investment in what our page says about us. What's the best way for me to go about making updates in a way that has integrity? Thanks in advance for your guidance. Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Jleewriter208 Hello and welcome. Thanks for asking. I'm going to place some information on your user talk page that should answer most of your questions. In short, you will need to make a formal declaration of your status, and review how to properly propose edits to the article. I would correct you in that it is not your "Wikipedia page" but a Wikipedi article about your business- this may change your mindset a bit. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

You're absolutely right about the reframing. It's funny—this is how I've been trying to explain to the execs, but then I come in here and call it "our page." Sigh. Mea culpa.

Thanks for your help and for everything the community does. I will check what you shared and take it from there. Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jleewriter208 get them to read WP:BOSS! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Getting that suggestion from a couple of corners! Thanks. Jleewriter208 (talk) 16:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

(ec) First you have to put a WP:PAID template on your user page. When editing an article with a conflict of interest, one has to be neutral, and avoid making the article into an advertisement. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 13:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Asparagusus In most cases one with a COI should not directly edit the article at all; they should make edit requests instead. There are some clear cases where direct edits are fine, but in general it shouldn't be done. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jleewriter208: You might find it helpful to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to propose changes to the article. Be sure to provide reliable published sources that editors can use to verify your suggestions. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, will do Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Jleewriter208! My thanks also for approaching this task appropriately. In addition to the excellent advice above, you might find the essay Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia helpful. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, they've actually been understanding. I didn't know the policies, but I knew enough to tell them Wikipedia isn't the company's owned media, which makes us NOT the deciders. Jleewriter208 (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Quark Baby

Hello, members, can someone please advise on why Draft:Quark Baby has been continually declined by reviewers? I am of the opinion that, although the draft was initially written in a promotional way and with inappropriate sources, it has been cleaned up a couple of times and I believe it now meets the basic WP:NCORP criteria to warrant a separate Wikipedia article for the organization. Of course, I have a COI that I declared as required. But I believe the draft has been improved as needed to justify a separate Wikipedia article. Whereas the organization does not have much news coverage as at now, the available ones (especially references 1,3, and 7, which have been used to establish notability), I believe, meet the necessary criteria to establish notability of the organization and enable the draft to be accepted as a separate Wikipedia article (the other references are trivial mentions and were not used to establish notability but just to support some claims). Please, can someone advise?

The specific WP:NCORP criteria that I believe have been met include: the basis of decision making to warrant a separate Wikipedia article, the primary application criteria, the application process, as well as the significance, independence, and audience requirements of the sources. The sources are also multiple, reliable, and secondary. One source (reference 7) has also been shown to pass the criteria for inclusion of product reviews.

Please see this reviewer's talk page for a detailed discussion over this draft. He gave reasons for declining the draft but I disagreed with them and they advised that I may seek help here.

Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk • contribs)

Hi @See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d: I didn't review this at AfC, but I've just gone through the sources, and they do not meet the WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT standard. IMO only one of them, the Strategy article, provides significant coverage of the company, and even that talks about it mostly from a branding perspective. The rest are a mix of passing mentions, show listings, product reviews, and routine business reporting, none of which count towards GNG. Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: Why don't Vancouver Sun and BC Business count as significant coverage? And why does talking about it from a "branding perspective" make it less significant? Kk.urban (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: the Vancouver Sun piece is an interview, ie. a primary source; the company talking about themselves. The BC Business looks okay at first, but I'd wager it's based on the company's press release or similar publicity materials. And the company talking about their branding and launch campaign is not significant coverage of the company, but of an aspect of the company. We need to see what independent publications have said, of their own volition, about the company, and we need to see multiple such sources. ORGCRIT makes it clear that the bar for businesses is, if anything, higher than with plain vanilla GNG. That's my take on it, at any rate; an opinion was requested, and this is mine. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello DoubleGrazing, the WP:ORGCRIT states that "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. What exactly stops references 1, 3, and 7 (which have been used to establish notability) from meeting these criteria? I mentioned that the other references are trivial mentions and were not used to establish notability. They were only used to verify some information that needs verification. See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@See-N-e-v-e-r-M-i-n-d: I've already dealt with 1 and 3 above. Ref 7 is a product review and comparison site, and absolutely not the sort of independent and reliable secondary source required here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Editor and Publisher

Does anyone knows a Wikipedia Editor and Publisher? Please let me know. Hnnnae (talk) 14:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hnnnae We are all editors. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The publisher is the Wikimedia Foundation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hnnnae, and welcome to the Teahouse. As Evergreen says, we are all editors (including you).

I have a hunch that you are asking that question because you are hoping that you can find somebody to make a particular edit, or create a particular article: if I am wrong, I apologise (and you may not need to read the rest of my reply).

If my guess is correct, then please read the rest of the reply.

If the article you want to write or change is about you, or somebody or something you are involved in, you need to start by reading about editing with a conflict of interest.

If you want a change to an existing article, every article has an associated talk page and you should put your request there. It is more likeoly to be acted on if you can cite a reliable published source: unpublished information and personal experience cannot be used in Wikipedia articles.

If you want an article created, it is trickier. One possibility is to put in a request at requested articles; but in truth, the take-up there is very low.

Another possibility is to try creating the article yourself. This is very difficult for a new editor, and I always advise people to spend a few weeks or months making small improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. At some point you'll want to read your first article. The first thing that somebody will need to do (whether it is you or somebody else) is to find the sources which are essential to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. All time and effort spent on creating an article before doing that is at risk of being wasted, if the sources just don't exist.

One thing I advise you very strongly not to do is to pay anybody to create an article. All Wikipedia editors are volunteers as far as Wikipedia is concerned, and work on what they choose. There are people who edit for reward: Wikipedia tolerates them, but requires them to declare their status (and who is paying them) publicly, and to comply with all Wikipedia policies. Many are scammers. If they are honest, they will tell the client up front that they cannot guarantee that they will be able to make an article or that the article will say what the client wants them to. ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate your response @ColinFine, I'm really not a writer, editor nor publisher. I'm looking for someone who can do that for us and we'll pay. Hnnnae (talk) 15:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hnnnae, in case you missed the last part of ColinFine's reply - most folks who offer to create Wikipedia articles for money are scammers. It's a very bad idea to try and employ one of them. If you want to try anyway, make sure whoever you hire is in compliance with WP:PAID, otherwise they are likely to be blocked and their creations deleted.

If you need to pay someone to create an article, it's quite likely that whoever you mean by "us" is not notable, and attempting to create such an article would ultimately be futile. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

In that case, Hnnnae, I strongly advise you to read NOTPROMO, PROUD, notability and Golden rule, and look for suitable sources.

Remember to ignore

everything written, published, or commissioned by you or any of your associates
everything based on an interview with you or your associates
everything based on a press release
everything on social media or other user-generated sources such as iMDB or Wikipedia
eveyrthing with less than two substantial paragraphs about your subject specifically (a couple of paragraphs about related topics, such as individuals involved, or things produced or done, will not help, unless they also go into some depth about the subject).
everything that is a routine business announcement, such as appointment of officers, relocations, name changes, or recapitablisations; or if it is an artist we are talking about, a bare announcement of publications, performances, or exhibitions.

If, having ignored all those items, you can still find at least three places where somebody has written in depth about your subject and been reliably published, then an article is possible, and you can consider how you might get one written. If not, any further time and effort (and money) that you or anybody else put into this project will be totally wasted. ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

preference for citing primary sources

For references, does Wikipedia prefer a primary source (e.g. pdf document) over a secondary source (a reputable publisher reporting about the primary source)? rootsmusic (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic, quoting from here: Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary sources - as long as they're reliable, of course - are almost always preferred (there may be exceptions, which should be hashed out on talk pages, but that's the general rule). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, is a published "fact check" considered a secondary source or a tertiary source? The fact check cites primary and secondary sources. rootsmusic (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic, that entirely depends on who is publishing it, and what a "fact check" consists of, precisely. If there is a dispute, I recommend discussion either on the talk page of the relevant article, or at WP:RSN. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I would say tertiary regarding the subject of the claim and secondary regarding the quoted person. There might be a better way of explaining it though and my opinion is not expert. One more source that might be useful is wp:Perennial sources. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 21:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Just to note that a source being a PDF document doesn't necessarily make it primary, Rootsmusic. Many secondary sources such as scholarly journal articles also come in PDF format. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Page Critics

Is there anything such as page critics? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

We have a project page for conducting WP:Peer reviews. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Question neutral point of view, no original research, verifiability

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Josephine,_North_Dakota

According to satellite imagery from 1949, the town had what appears to be an abandoned school, multiple other abandoned buildings, and two grain elevators. All that remains today is both elevators and an accompanying business office.

Is this allowed by verifiability, so it can still stay because it makes it not an original research. I imagine deleters trying to remove this sentence though. also many math articles have little cites. is verifiablity also the explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by बिनोद थारू (talk • contribs) 01:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

You may not add your own commentary about the satellite image. If there is a reliable source that describes the satellite image and what it shows, you can cite that. RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Also the satellite image is a more reliable source than a newspaper mention of satellite image? बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

A image isn't really a reliable source for anything other than showing that the image itself exists; in other words, it has almost zero value as a cited source in support of content about the town for Wikipedia's purposes other than perhaps content stating that a satelite image of the town exists. So, any of the information obtained from the image or any interpretation of the image would need to be supported by a citation to a reliable sources for it to not be considered WP:OR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

saying "there is a house" supported by the image of a house ? बिनोद थारू (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Any assertion that begins with According to satellite imagery from 1949 should be immediately rejected and removed. Sputnik 1, the first artificial satellite, was launched in 1957, and the first photosurveillance satellites were deployed in 1959. The claim is ludicrous on the face of it. Cullen328 (talk) 07:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't even think about that Cullen328 and have accordingly removed that from the article. It was added back in 2018 and probably went unnoticed until you did so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

If satellite from 2023 was insert in the article, then it counts as ABOUTSELF, @Cullen328 ? बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

About DYK

I've become more comfortable editing Wikipedia articles, but I'd like to start contributing to DYK. It seems like something fun to do and to spread some neat facts. I've read most of WP:DYK but I'm confused by one thing: how can a user consistently contribute to DYK, when the criteria is so narrow? Thanks in advance. Professor Penguino (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Professor Penguino and welcome to the Teahouse! the DYK process is not intended just as a collection of trivia (though it is one), but also as a way to showcase new articles (hence the newness criteria) and promote article creation. apart from the usual requirements (it has to be cited and within policy, which is a normal thing within Wikipedia), it encourages editors to create good, strong articles to make it in there (as well as QPQ to make sure one isn't just endlessly firing in DYK requests without helping the process elsewhere). thus, one being a consistent contributor to creating DYK hooks means being consistent in article creation. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, cool, thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 01:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Stash issue when publishing changes

So I was expanding the article on Angelika Hoerle for my neighbor who has a lot more reliable information about her, and when I went to publish my changes, I got the following error: No stashed content found for 1173913566/c57e36a0-4ba9-11ee-9323-b04f13b99a5c. I have no clue what this means and would like help fixing it please. BlastoiseEditor (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BlastoiseEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse! There are a couple possible issues here - the main ones are that your internet connection could have temporarily cut out while it was trying to publish, or that the page was left open for too long (24+ hours) before you published your changes. If you still have easy access to your changes, try copying them temporarily into a file on your computer, reloading the page while holding the shift key, then trying to make the change again. If that doesn't work, try adding ?safemode=1 to the end of the URL, loading that page (which should look almost the exact same), and trying to make the change again. Tollens (talk) 04:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I tried the first thing you suggested and it worked, I did have the page open for quite some time, thank you! BlastoiseEditor (talk) 01:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad it worked for you! Tollens (talk) 02:07, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BlastoiseEditor. To clarify something that Tollens didn't make explicit: this sort of error is a technical issue, and has nothing at all to do with the content of your edits. ColinFine (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright thank you! BlastoiseEditor (talk) 01:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Better ways to get my draft reviewed/approved?

Courtesy link: Draft:Amos Pewter

I'm a newbie here, so sorry if I'm stepping out of line or being clueless, but I tried my first article a while ago (Draft:Amos Pewter), and it's in draft status. What's the best way to improve my odds of getting it reviewed and approved? I've tried to find and add as many sources as I can. I'm really passionate about Canada so this article is of an important topic to me, but I wanted to make sure that I've been including valid citations so if I do any other articles going forward, I know how to do this right. Do any seasoned Wikipedians have any advice? TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC) TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @TradingSpousesWelsch: hello and welcome to the teahouse. You are definitely not stepping out of line for raising a question here. Right now, the article is pending for review. Please note that there is a serious backlog of unreviewed drafts. If you look at the top of your draft, you will see

This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,789 pending submissions waiting for review.

At this point, my only advice is to wait. Volunteers dedicate their own time to review draft articles. As long as you think you have put up the best you can find in the draft, please be patient and understanding. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 02:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice @TheLonelyPather. I will try to be patient; as I understand it, Wikipedia's non-profit so I appreciate how hard the volunteers work and I'll wait and see how my draft goes when the time comes along for someone to look at it. Have a great day, and thanks again for the help! TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

First of all, don't worry about "stepping out of line". We're all just a bunch of nerds writing an encyclopedia in our free time. It's not that serious. People who start taking it too seriously and finger-wagging at those who "step out of line" are jerks. Besides, everything here, even the rules and guidelines, was made up by people like you and I, and is subject to being changed by people like you and I, if we see fit.

At a glance, your article looks quite good. One of the better draft articles I've seen from a self-described "newbie". The article doesn't read like an advertisement (a common problem with new articles about businesses), you don't rely too heavily on primary sources, and your extensive use of secondary sources demonstrates the notability of the topic.

Personally, I think you've done a good job on your first article, and while I'm sure it will be continuously improved by you and by others, I don't see any reason not to approve it. I hope you'll continue to contribute here. Good day. Pecopteris (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Pecopteris! I appreciate the support, and I'm glad to hear my article doesn't sound like an advertisement - I hope to maybe add some articles for more Canadian companies as I get more knowledgeable with Wikipedia, and since a lot of company-based articles on here run into the pitfall of sounding promotional, this was definitely something I wanted to avoid in my first draft. I did initially make a mistake of citing a self-published fiction novel that makes a brief mention of the company, but an editor removed this, so otherwise I think I've got my sources down right and I tried to use primary sources sparingly. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@TradingSpousesWelsch: Hi there! I checked to see if you added WikiProjects to the talk page, and was happy to see you had done so. I'm curious why you tagged this draft about a manufacturing company with the banner for WP:WikiProject Travel and Tourism. GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I tagged it as travel and tourism because the company seems to be heavily involved with Canada's tourism and hospitality sector. If there's a retail banner, retail might be more appropriate. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@TradingSpousesWelsch: I removed {{WikiProject Travel and Tourism}} and added {{WikiProject Retailing}}. GoingBatty (talk) 02:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 03:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles NOINDEX

Hello! Why are certain Wikipedia articles not being indexed by Google? There is no NOINDEX meta tag. Endrabcwizart (talk) 05:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Endrabcwizart and welcome to the Teahouse! some articles are not indexed at all regardless of whether the tag is present (I assume the translation from wikicode to html adds it automatically if the page shouldn't be indexed due to these reasons). for example, new articles (made in the last 90 days and not patrolled) are not indexed until they meet either criteria, as are anything in the User: and Draft: namespaces and their corresponding talk pages. there's also a bunch of pages (usually for internal processes) that don't get indexed due to the Robots.txt. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 05:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Endrabcwizart. For more information, please read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. Cullen328 (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

my page was declined due to some reasons The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you Digitalrohit3012 (talk) 05:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Digitalrohit3012. You need to provide properly formatted references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic of your draft. Your "References" section currently has numbers that do not lead anywhere. Please read Referencing for beginners and Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Your draft was subsequently Speedy deleted because it contained content that was copied from a copyright protected source and was considered promotional. This in addition to not having proper references. David notMD (talk) 09:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Problems with IPA template

Whenever I try to open a page that links to the IPA template, the screen is completely blacked out, except for the search bar. I tried this on the Papeete article by going through the revision history and sure enough, I can read this version just fine but not the next one which added the template. I'm using Firefox if it helps. 2A04:2413:8000:A80:CC7:5E6:78F1:B89C (talk) 10:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

There seems to be a technical problem with the IPA template after an update, many posts are being made about this across several help pages. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Can I please request for my profile user page history be deleted?

Can I have the history of my personal user page deleted, please? Thank you! DaClayCrew (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Done. Next time, just add {{Db-user}} to your user page and an admin should delete it within minutes to hours. —Kusma (talk) 12:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

SO annoying.

Some guy requested that my account @RadskullC be "speedily deleted" because I've posted something that "doesn't follow up with Wikipedia's goals." It keeps on saying that, but it never actually tells me what these goals are. I thought Wikipedia was just supposed to be some sort of online information library. Also, to make matters worse, MY PASSWORD DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, PLEASE HELP! 50.86.82.194 (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

There is no account on Wikipedia named RadskullC. – dudhhr^talk_contribs^she_her 17:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Most likely they are talking about User:Radskull C.. The user page, not the account, was deleted. Kk.urban (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Well, there goes several hours of my life I'll never get back. 50.86.82.194 (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Note, you may be able to get a WP:REFUND (temporary undeleting) of that page so you can recover any content. Follow that link to learn more. Qcne (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

your page was advertising a hacker extension - we don't want promotional user pages at all. Secretlondon (talk) 20:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia user pages have a specific purpose which is explained here WP:USERPAGE. If you add content to your user page that do not align with Wikipedia's goals, the page will be deleted. It explains on that link what you may and may not have on your user page.

We can't help you if you've forgotten your password and if you didn't add an email address to the account so the password reset does not work. Feel free to make a new account.

I'd recommend reading WP:PILLARS. Qcne (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Radskull C., please note that it was your user page that was speedy deleted, not your account. User accounts cannot be deleted. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

No, it's fine. I actually misspelled my username when I made my account. 50.86.82.195 (talk) 12:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Inquiry about making an article

Hello,

I want to make an article about a law school professor. I tried to make a draft. I think one of the main comments I received back was inline citation. Could someone help me make substance so I can add inline citations? Discerningfortruth (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Discerningfortruth: you can find general advice on referencing at WP:REFB, and more detailed advice on inline citations specifically at WP:ILC. Inline citations are a hard requirement in articles on living people (WP:BLP), especially in what comes to anything potentially contentious or any private personal and family details. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Rejected drafts

Drafts which got rejected more than six months ago due to notability issues, are now being improved by me. But I'm unable to give them for AfC submission since they've been rejected already. I was told to take the matter to the rejecting reviewer directly and I did, but the issue is that the respective reviewer is not active since months. What should I do now? I would appreciate some suggestions. Thanks, ManaliJain (talk) 16:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: as no one has offered a better answer, here's what I would do. The 'rule', as you say, is to make your case directly to the rejecting reviewer, so I would still do that: post a message on their talk page, and give them a week or two (?) to respond. If they do, great. If they don't, then take it to the AfC help desk, and a) explain that you've tried approaching the last reviewer but haven't received a response, and b) present whatever evidence there is now to support notability, which wasn't there when the draft was rejected. Someone at the help desk will look into it, I'm sure. (But if you don't make those two points, you're likely to just get the standard "this draft has been rejected and won't therefore be considered further" response.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: Alright, thank you! ManaliJain (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

No Stashed content found

When i'm trying to publish my draft, I'm getting an error - No stashed content found for 0/0a70c805-4e43-11ee-9153-4cd98faf5288 Dev2907 (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dev2907: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to Draft:Vivacity (festival)? If so, I just declined the draft. The draft needs to be based on multiple independent published reliable sources, not on what the institute writes about its own event. See WP:NEVENT and WP:BACKWARD. GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dev2907 This error occurs when you are using visual editor and leave the edit window open for more than 24 hours - the error means that the server has discarded it's copy of your edit.

Copy the content of your edit, reopen the editor and try to save it again. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Number of admins and number of active admins over time

Is there a chart or data source showing the number of admins or number of active admins through the years at Wikipedia? Kk.urban (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban, take a look at User:Widefox/editors and User:Amorymeltzer/s-index. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Helpful, although the first user seems a bit obsessed with Fram getting banned. Kk.urban (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban, a number of admins quit during that kerfuffle, which makes that particular point a bit of an outlier. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

There's some stuff in Commons:Category:Admin statistics for English Wikipedia. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! This one seems to be the best: File:Yearly change in number of admins on the English Wikipedia.png Kk.urban (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Inaccuracy

Actually, both Wikipedia:Desysoppings by month and File:Yearly change in number of admins on the English Wikipedia.png seem to be inaccurate. According to Wikipedia:Desysoppings by month, there should be 1062 administrators, but according to Wikipedia:Administrators, there are only 885. Why is this wrong? Kk.urban (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban, this is something you could bring up on the talk page (Wikipedia talk:Desysoppings by month). There are some similar past discussions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban The graph hasn't been updated in over a year and it ends at 2021, so it's not surprising that it's a little bit out of date. where are you seeing 1062? 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

1062 comes from adding up all the additions and removals of administrators. Kk.urban (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Revert war

I am a medical student and do not have the time for dispute resolution processes. I added this but an editor, Barbardo has been repeatedly removing it. I therefore request someone to go for a dispute resolution process and add it back in an acceptable way. Thanks! 60.243.252.254 (talk) 14:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Repeatedly? It was only done once with you? According to wikipedia ARDA is not reliable as it is based on estimations and that ARDA doesn't mention where it gets its source data on to make such estimations. The source I used was from 2022 report on religioys freedom done by the USA goverment which is more relible and was based on the national statistic data from mozambique which is more reliable then a ARDA estimate I already summarized this in my edit summary. Barbardo (talk) 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

IP address: The fact that you're a medical student is irrelevant. What you added was grammatically incorrect and unnecessary for the context of that paragraph. There is no edit warring going on. In fact see WP:BRD for the best practice for you to engage in: make a bold edit (you did), get reverted (this happens), then discuss it on the talk page (you haven't done so). Wikipedia is a collaborative project. If you "do not have time" to collaborate in even a minimal way, then perhaps Wikipedia isn't a place for you to participate and you should go back to your studies. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

graphic photo

war is hell, but think this photo is a bit too much for my 11 year old to view. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:Kramatorsk_railway_bombing_2022_April_8_(1).jpg 130.76.24.16 (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. Sorry to hear your 11-year-old saw a disturbing image. Whether or not to censor images like that has been a longstanding debate among Wikipedians. The current consensus is not to do so, for the reasons documented at WP:NOTCENSORED. Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

If you would like to disable images on specific pages or on Wikipedia as a whole, this is possible - please see Help:Options to hide an image for details. Tollens (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Considering that this image is limited to the context and placement of specific subject matter, I would recommend that you prevent your child from looking up content pertaining to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, or installing a content filter on your personal internet browser. There is a lot of content on Wikipedia that, while graphic, is vital to illustrating the context and notability of the events it pertains to. Most of this is connected with subject matter that only adults would have any particular reason to be looking at, e.g. war or genocide. I don't think this image you've linked here is being spread by Wikipedia itself beyond the scope of the article it pertains to, so unless your child was specifically looking it up, or looking up the subject matter on Wikipedia in general, they shouldn't be finding it here. It's possible that a third-party source is spreading it elsewhere on the internet. There is a lot of graphic content floating around online, and Wikipedia can only control its own domain.

I can't speak to Wikipedia's stance on this because I'm new here, but personally I think it does a disservice to the victims of things like war to censor images from an unbiased article just because the content is grisly or unpleasant. Wikipedia is supposed to be an accurate, unbiased and detailed attempt at a free, accessible online encyclopedia of notable content. It is your job to keep your child from browsing violent content on the internet, not Wikipedia's. You are going to see graphic images of war and genocide in the context of history and politics, which also arises in university academia, investigative journalism and other content available on the internet. There are ways to block this, such as enabling SafeSearch on Google, so that your child won't see it. Demanding that a website censor a historically-important image just because it's gross to look at need not apply. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry that happened. I am one of those working on here who disagrees with the consensus that Wikipedia should not be censored. I have complained about graphic imagery in the past, but it never really goes anywhere because of WP:NOTCENSORED. (I deleted some bad advice I gave earlier. I think I'm a bit tired today. Forgot that that's really not possible nor a good use of time in Wikipedia). Professor Penguino (talk) 01:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

what? no. don't do that, 130.76.24.16. ltbdl (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Several requests to remove that exact image and other similar images from that article have previously been (appropriately) declined, a new one would be declined as well. It should be expected that the images in an article on a war may be graphic, because quite simply, war is graphic. Tollens (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding a website

What can i do for you to accept woodyard.eth.li as a website that laughably portrays "web3" on her wiki too? i believe this website incompases all that is ridiculous about the "innovation", and i bet Molly would agree too. 73.250.235.103 (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, you could ask her directly, she's an active editor on Wikipedia. However, as far as I can tell, woodyard.eth.li has nothing to do with Molly White (writer) so it wouldn't be appropriate to add. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Requesting audio files

I ise photoreq in article talkpages to request photos for entries and I was wondering if there was a way to request audio files? For example songs in the public domain on wax cylinders or other old recordings. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Template:Audio requested NotAGenious (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable Brazilian artist article stuck at AFC...Please help!

Hi Teahouse!

I am the Wikipedian in Residence for the Pérez Art Museum Miami. I'm also a Brazilian art researcher and museum curator, active in the United States with Art+Feminism.

I was told that my draft article on artist Marcela Cantuária had to go through AFC, because she has exhibited at Pérez Art Museum, even though her article has very little to do with the museum.

So, I submitted it through AFC, and the article was rejected for lacking a few citations. I added them as requested, and I have had no response for many weeks.

I feel like I'm doing everything that has been asked but am completely stuck. Can you please help? Thank you! MichaelaBlanc 17:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't have the time to review your sources, but please note that the AFC backlog is currently very high. Remain patient, a review may take several months. NotAGenious (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@NotAGenious: Unfortunately, it has been months, and a Wikipedian in Residence should not have to go through AFC in the first place, as explained at WP:CURATOR.

Would someone please take a look at the article? I believe it is ready to be moved live. Thank you again! MichaelaBlanc 18:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MichaelaBlanc. I have moved your draft to main space. The artist clearly meets WP:ARTIST with work in the permanent collections of several notable museums. By the way, I visited the Miami area for the first time in 2019, and visited several fascinating art museums. The Pérez Art Museum was the best of the bunch. Cullen328 (talk) 18:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed your visit at PAMM. It is indeed a fascinating museum. Cheers! MichaelaBlanc 18:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@MichaelaBlanc "links to their resources" does not equate to creating an article, and your credentials do not make you any higher than the average editor. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about edits and other

Hello Wikipedians, I'm curious to ascertain whether it is permissible to omit a citation when implementing an edit. For example, if an individual modifies an article by appending a substantial amount of text, yet neglects to incorporate citation marks, is this an indication that an authoritative source is required?

Is the objective to validate the veracity of the newly added information when editing an article?

I am aware that this question may seem somewhat trivial for the Teahouse, but I would appreciate some clarification. I have observed numerous anonymous IP users, as well as registered contributors on Wikipedia, making modifications to articles, occasionally with the inclusion of citations and at other times without attributions. Is there a specific guideline or section within Wikipedia's rules?

And..does Wikipedia offer directives on how someone should proceed when encountering instances of unsourced or poorly sourced information?

Thanks, TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Apparently this arises from a recent, relevant ANI case, where many experienced folks weighed in on these subjects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: The verifiability policy states that inline citations are required for: all quotations, all material whose verifiability has been challenged, all material that is likely to be challenged, [and] all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons, and that Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. However, this does not mean that all content with no inline citation must be removed - common sense should be used. In addition, you are expected (but are not required) to attempt to verify a statement yourself before removing it or tagging it with a {{citation needed}} marker. Tollens (talk) 19:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for elucidating Wikipedia's verifiability policy, particularly with regard to the necessity of inline citations for specific types of content. I find it intriguing that whole inline citations are mandated for certain categories of information, their absence in other instances does not necessarily precipitate immediate removal, provided that common sense is exercised.

Another thing, can you clarify what Wikipedia's stance is on what constitutes "common sense" in the absence of inline citations? Also, when the policy refers to "material that is likely to be challenged", what are the general criteria for determining this likelihood?

Futhermore, you mentioned that one is "expected but not required" to attempt to verify a statement before either removing it or affixing a "citation needed" marker. Could you elaborate on how this expectation aligns with the overall goals of Wikipedia in ensuring the integrity of information? And..are these guidelines or best practices that Wikipedia recommends for users who wish to challenge the veracity of an unsourced statement, beyond merely applying a "citation needed" tag? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 21:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be easier to explain it in a different way: removing unsourced content should not be done simply because it is currently unsourced, but rather because you believe it would be impossible to provide a source (in most cases, this means you believe the material is false). There are no testable criteria for "likely to be challenged" besides that you believe that another editor is likely to think that the statement is unverifiable (again, typically this means false). I am not certain what you mean by your question about how requesting editors try to verify content themselves before deleting it impacts the integrity of information, or your question about whether "these" are guidelines - what exactly are you referring to? Tollens (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there an article that talks about integrity about sources and editing? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm still not sure what you mean - could you explain in more detail what you're looking for? Tollens (talk) 23:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Mainly, I am asking if there's an article about the Integrity of editing and citing sources and if there was a policy on not citing your sources when you're adding small little edits. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The only policy on referencing requirements is WP:Verifiability, which I've linked to above already. I still don't know what you mean by integrity - if you're wondering about text-source integrity see WP:TSI. There is no policy about making articles "correct", if that's what you're wondering. Tollens (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens I actually think the WP:TSI article was exactly what I was looking for. By the way, if you're saying "There is no policy about making articles "correct", then why do people choose to get their articles corrected if theres no policy about it? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Because they don't want articles to be inaccurate? This seems obvious to me - have I misunderstood your question? Tollens (talk) 00:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: There's also no policy that typos must be fixed, but there is a large group at WP:TYPO that does it anyway. Not every activity must be driven by policy. RudolfRed (talk) 00:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to jump in real quick. Every Wikipedia edit is not necessarily mandated by rules. There isn't a rule saying that double spaces should be corrected, but people do. Same as, technically, there is no rule saying that it is your DUTY to revert vandalism. But it is still expected of an editor to do so. See what I mean? Professor Penguino (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino So you're saying that people don't have to correct any grammar or revert any vandalism but they still do it anyway? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 12:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: I will answer that question by another question: why do you edit Wikipedia?

Your answer should be some variant of "because I want to make knowledge freely accessible on the internet". Well, achieving that goal requires that many various things be done - tracking down obscure factoids, summarizing complex technical topics, fixing typos, reverting vandals, and so on. A given editor does not have to do any of these, but there’s enough people with varied tastes that everything gets done, more or less.

Rules are only needed when editors come into conflict with each other. If you want version A and I want version B, we cannot both get our version. So the rules tell us when to prefer A, when to prefer B, when to make a compromise C, when to ask others, and so on. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

It is the expectation to, yes. If you become an editor, it is your job. But no one will hold you accountable for not. Commiting vandalism is different: that’s non-negotiably forbidden. Professor Penguino (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Assistance needed with new draft page

Hi Teahouse!

Can someone kindly show me how to add references to the following draft page, please: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Naomi_Kimpenu

Thanks in advance :) Carmalabsinc (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Citation templates. Esolo5002 (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Carmalabsinc Note that articles on living people must conform to the policy at WP:BLP, which means that all facts must be cited to an inline source, which much of your current draft does not currently do. The links given above will show you how to achieve this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Please show me how to publish a sandbox

Please show me how to publish a sandbox 92.40.204.68 (talk) 15:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

IP addresses don't have their own sandboxes. To publish a new article, you would go to WP:AFC and follow the instructions there. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! You could use the shared Wikipedia:Sandbox or create your own account and then use Special:Mypage/sandbox. GoingBatty (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The shared sandbox is cleared regularly, so is unlikely to be a useful place to develop an article. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki admin

Good morning wiki world, i am looking to work with a seasoned wiki admin to assist in some work for my company’s wiki page would love to discuss further and can be reached at (redacted) 2600:1700:3C6C:4080:A4DE:AC95:CAB3:E868 (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Administrators don't do that. You can go to WP:AFC for instructions about starting a draft and submitting it for review, and ask for help here on the Teahouse page. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

See also the essay at WP:BOSS. GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts don't do that either. Hosts are here to advise on the workings of Wikipedia, but not to be co-authors or mentors. If an article already exists about the company your work for, then also read WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, basically, you are unlikely to find anybody to do what you want. This is because, on the one hand, Wikipedia editors are volunteers* who work on what they choose, and on the other a Wikipedia article about your company does not belong to your company, is not controlled by your company, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned is not in any way for the benefit of your company (any benefit you may derive is incidental, as is any disadvantage).

If there is already an article on your company, then (once you have made the mandatory PAID declaration), you may suggest edits to it using the edit request wizard.

*There are people who will take your money to edit on your behalf. Many of them are scammers. The honest ones will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that an article on your company will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to say. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability Question

i have created a article and several time it is rejects . need some assistance on this article need some guidence

i just submit and it is decline by some contributor and every time this happened. this time i with 5 min i got reply of decline Ashar50 (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Muhammad Ashar Asghar Ashar50 (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ashar50 Hi; I am the Reviewer who declined it today and on the 07th. You have not properly sourced your article with in-line citations, as I have stated twice. Look at the bottom of the draft, you have [1] to [8] all in a row. These should be dispersed throughout the article so that in-line citation is next to the statement it verifies.

Please do not submit again without fixing this, you have been asked three times. Qcne (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Ashar50, some of the references look very odd. One is actually attributed to "Dumb People". (Fascinated by this name, I clicked on the link and took a look. I saw no mention of "Dumb People" there.) Even if all of the content were excellently referenced, it would fail to demonstrate notability (that is, "notability" as defined by and for Wikipedia). I'm not saying that the subject isn't notable; but if he is notable then the draft fails to show this. -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Need help in finding notable and reliable references

Dear Members,

I am working on an article for "T2M URL Shortener" and submitted a draft which got rejected. Then I added more references and still got rejected. I believe I added enough references but it seems like not, which seems fair because I don't have many reliable references.

Can anyone please help me to find more reliable references for the "T2M URL Shortener" page.

Website: https://t2mio.com

Thanks Bsidhu.sait (talk) 03:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Bsidhu.sait, there's a distinction between declining a draft and rejecting a draft. Your draft hasn't once been rejected; it was declined (twice). For most software, searching for reliable, substantive sources is a waste of time because such sources simply don't exist. And even if good sources for this software do exist, finding what you've been unable to find promises to be hard work. -- Hoary (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks for the details. So, what should I do next to get this page published? My own account also has the privilege to publish pages but I prefer to go through the review process (not sure if that's the right path). Bsidhu.sait (talk) 00:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Bsidhu.sait, you look for sources that are reliable and substantive. If you find them, you cite them, summarizing their content. If you don't find them, you give up your hope of publishing the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bsidhu.sait: I followed the instructions at the top of your draft in the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" section and added {{WikiProject Websites}} to the talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Sorry, I don't see any changes or additions made. Can you please describe what you did, thanks Bsidhu.sait (talk) 00:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Bsidhu.sait, GoingBatty did this. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I added info regarding Product's parent corporation, let's see.

One more question, if I try to publish it in a Simple English version, is that something different? more chances there? Bsidhu.sait (talk) 01:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bsidhu.sait: Publishing to the Simple Wikipedia may be a different process, but also requires multiple reliable published sources - see simple:Wikipedia:Notability. GoingBatty (talk) 01:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Improving a draft

Hi. Can someone casually give a look and (if possible) help me improve Draft:Watsonx? I guess it needs to be more specific/has more specific references to meet general notability. Its a product that is made by a notable company and is used by notable companies (ESPN, Wind Tre). I know the thing itself should be notable but can't use/invention by notable entities imply notability too? VectorVoyager (talk) 09:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, VectorVoyager, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, it's unlikely that anyone will be able to locate sources any better than you can - with software the sources needed often simply don't exist. If you're able to find in-depth reliable sources covering the topic, go ahead and add them and resubmit the draft. Notability isn't inherited from the company that produces a product nor the companies that use the product; the only way to demonstrate notability in this case is to provide sources. Tollens (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Moving to mainspace

Can someone move Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha to mainspace. As a politician's biography, it fulfills WP:NPOL as he is elected to federal (state) assembly constituency in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Also, article is ready to exist as stub on Wikipedia mainspace as he is a first time legislator and hardly anything is left to be added now. It will be expanded in future after new elections. Admantine123 (talk) 09:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123 The draft has been submitted using the WP:AfC process but if you are convinced it would pass the new pages patrol for the reasons you have stated here, you can just move it yourself. That would in fact help reduce the currently very large AfC backlog. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

returns to Amazon

I have been sent two items the same, and iwish ti send ONE back , I cannot get them to send me a QR code and cannot contact anyone to help me.... 2A02:C7C:74ED:1600:DC53:28BE:BF99:646F (talk) 11:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

This page is for Wikipedia-related questions only - we are not capable of helping you with your Amazon return. Tollens (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hello!

Recently, on an off-wiki channel, I saw two more-experienced editors call another editor a wanker for a difference of opinion. As far as I can tell the editor wasn't being disruptive about it either.

I don't agree with him like at all, and I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment against his views, but like, policy is policy, and it's still against WP:NPA. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

If it occurred off-wiki then it isn't sanctionable on wiki. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

[Edit conflict] See Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Off-wiki attacks. In my understanding, NPA regulates activities actually on Wikipedia, including the insertion of links to off-Wikipedia sites: thus the instance you report might be frowned upon, but is not really subject to Wikipedia sanctions, although it might colour deliberations about related on-Wikipedia activity.

Principles of free speech allow us all to have derogatory opinions about each other, and to discuss them in free fora – which Wikipedia is not, it is a privately-owned entity that can and necessarily does enforce its own behavioral rules within itself.

I have no knowledge of the disagreement involved, but the term "wanker" suggests to this Brit that the persons involved are also British. In British culture "wanker" is not a particularly serious insult, perhaps suggesting mildly foolish or antisocial behaviour stemming from thoughtlessness, non-conformity or contrarianism. It being off-Wiki, I don't myself think it likely merits any action (which would be what?) Others will doubtless differ, and will say so. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

'Possible vandalism' tag

Hello! I was cleaning up an article (Mehdi Yarrahi) and have noticed that my edit has a tag about possible vandalism. Just wanting to make sure I haven't done anything wrong, and if I have, just to have a bit of advice to stop me getting a similar tag in the future. Thanks! Benintrig (talk) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Benintrig Your edit removed over 20,000 bytes which you said in your edit summary were "unsourced". As far as I can see, that isn't correct: the "Social Activities" section had several sources. Before making such a large removal, you would have been better to discuss why you thought this was warranted by adding a comment at Talk:Mehdi Yarrahi. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Benintrig Although I have no knowledge about the person, I reverted your massive deletion of more than half of the article and half of the references. Per Turnbull's comment, I agree that your intentions be first explained on the Talk page, and approached as a series of smaller edits. In addition to restoring what you had removed, I moved content to what I think is a more logical order. David notMD (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Macbeth Galler

Hello! I have gathered some good info on William Macbeth, founder of the Macbeth Gallery. He does not have an article for himself so I'm wondering how I should add the biographical info. I could create a section him on the gallery page as I don't think he requires a page for himself. Are there any precedents for situations like this? The information itself is relevant as it pertains to his death, gallery and the fact that he played harmonica on radio and for records. Thanks in advance! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans! When you say you "have some good info," what sort of sources are you talking about? If it's not public information, then it is original research, which we do not allow. If it is public, is it independent of Macbeth himself (e.g. a news article on him) or did it come from him (e.g. his website). If there's lots of independent info, perhaps a spinoff article could be justified. But it's a lot harder to create a new article than to expand an existing one, so you're probably better off at least starting with just a section at the gallery page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I have contemporary news articles and a discography by country music researcher Tony Russell. I am thinking that a new section would most appropriate. I'll add it and see if anyone objects but I don't believe any problems will arise. Thank you! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 22:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Clyde. Is the discography published? If not, you cannot use it. If it is published by the researcher, it may be useable as a self-published source. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter now. Turns out the recording artist was a different man than the William Macbeth of the New York art gallery. Thanks for the help. Also just to answer your question, the discography was published as Country Music Records : a discography, 1921-1942 by Oxford University Press. Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Umm

I was looking at my local area, Birch hill. Now, birch hill is combined with hanworth but there is 2 hanworths. one in london and the one near me. idk how to fix tis so plz help IGotHacked12 (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I fixed it by changing the wikilink to point to the correct Hanworth. I did it by changing [[Hanworth]] to [[Hanworth, Bracknell|Hanworth]]. See Wikipedia:Piped link and Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it normal for unsourced quotes to be part of a biography page?

Edward F. Harrington is a well-known federal judge. Recently, it looks like someone has been updating his Wiki biography with direct quotes attributed to Harrington himself—it says, "interview with the subject," but there's no link to where this was published, or who spoke with the judge. See here, especially the "personal reflections" section: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Edward_F._Harrington 2600:4040:52F1:ED00:D453:3200:9E2A:1E1B (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! "Personal reflections" are not normal, and neither are unsourced quotes. Feel free to revert the additions and/or discuss on the article's talk page: Talk:Edward F. Harrington. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, the core content policy Verifiability says that All quotations . . . must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports[b] the material.. Also, excessive use of quotations is also discouraged. See WP:QUOTEFARM. This content was added by User: Bosoxfan1234567, who edits only about Harrington. It has now been removed by another editor. Cullen328 (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I was just coming here to report that I'd removed the whole section. The article is very poorly sourced and needs further attention. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding my auto-conformed right

Hi, i am new here, my account is 5 days old and i have 40+ edits, but still i can't move a page or can not use my autoconformed user rights, kindly help.

Thanks Dcotos (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dcotos. Your account will be four full days old in about 20 minutes. Cullen328 (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for your help. Dcotos (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Getting a source

Can anyone share me direct link of profile of Sukhlal Kushwaha ,Member of Parliament from Satna Lok Sabha constituency for 11th Lok Sabha. From here [5] Admantine123 (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Admantine123. Wikipedia does not have profiles. Instead, it has encyclopedia articles, including Sukhlal Kushwaha. Is that what you mean by "direct link"? If not, please clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, actually i am using a mobile device and I am not finding the Bioprofile of this particular Member of Parliament due to technical issue. The website i linked above, contains the profile of all the Members of Indian Parliament from first election to latest. I want one for Sukhlal Kushwaha, who was elected to 11th Lok Sabha Admantine123 (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Admantine123, simply click on the blue link Sukhlal Kushwaha. Cullen328 (talk) 19:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry but we cannot help you with technical issues you are encountering off-Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Its ok, actually one guy can help me, but he is not active right now Admantine123 (talk) 19:21, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Seriously? Admantine123 (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm new here

I don't want to edit anything just discuss some things what do I do Notonmyphone (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? What do you want to discuss? This is not really a discussion forum. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Notonmyphone: Hi there! The discussions at Wikipedia are largely focused on improving the Wikipedia articles or how to edit the articles. You're welcome to make suggestions on how to improve an article on its associated talk page, even if you're not interested in doing the edits yourself. Is this what you're looking for? GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Roman Gujarati Numerals considered as numeral

Dear friends,

As such I started editing wikipedia (en, gu, hi) in 2009. But due to the scarcity of time, I took a long pause and recently, I started it again. So, in a way I am a new. A difficulty I am facing is the numeral used in template 586.7 kilometres (365 mi) that converts km to mile. But I want input and output to use ૧૨૩૪૫૬૭૮૯૦ this gujarati numerals. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 17:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@dineshjk: that is very unlikely to be considered. most editors will not know what gujarati numerals are, and will be confused when they see them. ltbdl (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl Note that en.wikipedia is not the only version. While en.wikipedia readers may not be familiar with these numerals, readers of other Wikimedia projects may be. Dr. Karia is active at several non-English Wikimedia sites, including Gujarati Wikitionary. Possibly, they came here to the en.wiki Teahouse because they felt their question would be seen by more people than on some obscure Gujarati Wikitionary talk page.

Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to Dr. Karia's question - I just wanted to point out that it is a relevant question that should not be dismissed. Pecopteris (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl Thanks for seconding my idea. Yes I mean that for gu.wiki.x.io. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@dineshjk, do you need the output in these specific numerals for use on the other wikiprojects you mentioned? The {{convert}} template is available in many projects, so the output (numerals) would adapt, I think. Or is my answer way off? Then I apologize! --Maresa63 ^Talk 18:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Maresa63 No Sir, your answer is very much on the line of my point. Thaks for your anser. Yes, I want the change in the local version of convert on gu.wiki.x.io. My question did not intend to ask for a change in the en.wikipedia at all. Since, I do not know how to make those changes, I asked the question her to bring it to the notice of more experts. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshjk, that's a she/her you're calling sir. Valereee (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee and @Maresa63 Extremely sorry for being gender specific and that to quite opposite to what she is. I beg pardon. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 08:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

No need to apologize! Maresa63 ^Talk 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

It's hard to see why this is relevant to English Wikipedia. Templates (such as {{convert}}) are local to a particular Wikipedia: altering the template in en-wiki will have no effect on a similar template in gu-wiki and vice versa.

If you seriously want to argue the case for a template in en-wiki generating Gujerati numerals, the place to argue it is the talk page of that template, eg Template talk:convert. ColinFine (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @ColinFine I am sorry for not being clear to you in my original question. Let me be clear that I asked this question here because I wanted to reach more expert with my question. I do not intend to propose any change in the template convert in en.wikipedia but I want to make changes in the corresponding local version on gu.wikipedia. Unaware of how to make change, I asked it here. I hope I am clear. Thanks for your time and bringing clarity to my question. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshjk: To request a change to gu-wiki, you'll have to ask there. You could start a talk page for gu:ઢાંચો:Convert, or ask at whatever their equivalent is for a Teahouse or Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

OK Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 08:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Dinesh. Convert uses a module written in Lua, and Lua's tonumber() is likely limited to 0–9,A-Z. It appears Gujarati numerals use the same base-10 positional system as westernised hindu-arabic, so one good approach could be to create a separate template/module that replaces Gujarati digits with western ones, then feed the results of that into Convert. (Or vice-versa.) You could then also re-use the digit-replacer for other purposes.

Nesting ten #replace seems ugly but could work. Or the equivalent with Lua gsub(). Maybe WP:VPT could advise more, or a template-focused wikiproject? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 11:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pelagic Thanks. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 13:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshjk: I just banged together a template here (template invocation here) that implements the suggestion made by @Pelagic above. The #replace function is not enabled on this wiki so the template uses Module:String (which is available at guWP) to achieve the same result. Shells-shells (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 07:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

you can use a translator website बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@बिनोद थारू Thanks for your answer. But the words "translator website" are not sufficient to describe what is in your mind. I think while typing your answer, if you would have thought you would have realized that the answer leads to nowhere. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 07:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

examples of translator website are google translator which translate ૪૫ to 45, even on TELUGU setting बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@बिनोद थारू When I type {{convert|१... blah blah blah, it gives error. When I type {{convert|1 blah blah, it gives the output in English numerals and units are also written in English. Now could you tell me explicitly, how Google translator can help in this matter? Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 09:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

you go to google translator and type the number and then type result on wiki बिनोद थारू (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Best advise. I stop this conversation from my side instead of stretching. My name is real, and so is my knowledge. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Really wouldn't recommend that. Machine translators like Google Translate are very flawed. Davest3r08 (talk) 18:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

Hi, Kindly have a look and tell me what is wrong with the infobox of Muhammad Rafiuddin? Thanks. Persona2two (talk) 06:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Persona2two: the hlist template at the bottom of the infobox wasn't closed. It is now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! Persona2two (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Sir i need help to reestore this wiki page

Hi, Sir i need help to reestore this wiki page : Tim Alek Mulley Shuvro46 (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Shuvro46 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please go to this linked page to make a request. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

El Corte Ingles Department Store Barcelona

Greetings Team, I just returned from Barcelona and fell in love with the El Corte Ingles Departement Store so I was reading more about it on Wikipedia and noticed that the article stated the store had closed in 2018. This is not true as I was just there last week and they are doing fine. How do I submit the correction for this citation? Thank you, Steven ( see citation below) "In March 2018, El Corte Ingles closed its store on La Rambla of Barcelona." Stevenarthurwatson (talk) 13:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Stevenarthurwatson Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to address this issue is on the article talk page, Talk:El Corte Inglés. I would note that the sentence you mention is cited- so perhaps the store was reopened at some point? 331dot (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Stevenarthurwatson The article El Corte Inglés says that the store that closed was located on La Rambla, which is correct. There are now several stores in Barcelona, of which you probably visited the one on Pl. de Cataluña, nearby. (See website store locator) Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Where to put Portal bar?

Hi. I wonder if Wikipedia has a rule about Portal bars. Should we put on footer of "See also" section or on the top of the templates on footer of the article page (example)? Thanks in advance. Aredoros87 (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It goes at the bottom with navboxes, if there is one on the article. The example you have is perfect. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 13:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your the answer! Aredoros87 (talk) 13:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

can i have editors to help me edit my article?

i need to post a article and i need help Brisbanewiki (talk) 06:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Brisbanewiki, welcome to the Teahouse, and take a look at Help:Introduction which should give you all necessary pointers to post your own new article. Podstawko (talk) 06:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:YFA is also helpful. I saw that you have declared a conflict of interest on your User page for an article that does not yet exist. Is this the topic you intend to write about? Be aware that general advice is to gain experience by improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. Brisbanewiki (talk) 14:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Australian source

Hello, i know more about British sources than Australian ones, but would this magazine be a reliable source? https://tresamagazine.com/2022/07/06/kai-lewins/ Veganpurplefox (talk) 15:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox I don't see anything in the archive of the reliable sources noticeboard and that's usually a better place to ask this sort of question. If you are thinking of drafting an article about Lewins, that source won't help demonstrate his notability because it is based on an interview. It could be used for WP:ABOUTSELF-type information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Ill ask thanks, and yes im thinking making a draft if theres any article that proves his notability and if not will wait till there is. How could i use that magazine for the about self? Would it be on external links or can be in article itself? Veganpurplefox (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Could be either. If there was a fact you wanted to cite in the article of the aboutself type, then {{cite web}} or {{Cite magazine}} would work fine. You could even make sure the webpage was archived at the Wayback Machine so it would be available long-term. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I see thanks , but how could I add the website to wayback machine? Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

The top level of their domain has both a search box to check for what's already archived and a place to paste in a URL for it to be saved to the archive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It was saved 5 times so i am guessing its all good there Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

New member contribution to wikipedia

Hello, I'm a female from Botswana and a new member at Wikipedia . I am interested in providing information about the people and culture of Botswana and the southern African region. I appreciate any suggestions and advices. Thanks Nengoni (talk) 13:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Welcome on board :). I'm also a new member.

For finding sources you can use books.google.com. You don't even need to type a book name. If you search for a keyword, it will show the books that contain that word. And if you're searching for a news from 3 years back you can use Google News rather than regular Google. Moreover take a look to Archive.org. It contains a lot of books and links that are not available anymore. Good luck. Aredoros87 (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Nengoni: maybe check out WikiProject Botswana. Cheers, Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 14:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nengoni, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I suggest you read Help:Introduction, and Five pillars.

It often happens that a new editor reads an article about something they are familiar with, and goes "Oh, it hasn't got such-and-such information in it", and add that information - and then they get understandably upset because somebody reverts their edit, because they haven't give a source.

A Wikipedia article must not be based on what you know (or what I know, or on what any random person on the internet knows): it must be based on what reliable sources say. So if there is some information you would like to add to an article, and you can find a published source, by all means go ahead and add it. But unsourced information added to articles usually gets removed. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Create blog

How to create a blog in Wikipedia Mellow303 (talk) 17:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mellow303: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1200. You don't; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a blogging service. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

And if what you mean is "How can I create an article about a particular blog in Wikipedia?" the answer is the same as for nearly all article subjects: First find several sources that are reliably published, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject.

Second if you can't find such sources give up and don't spend any more time on this impossible task. If you can find sources, read your first article to see how to create an article based almost entirely on what those indpendent sources say, and not on anything you might happen to know about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Revert war (2)

I am a medical student and do not have the time for going through dispute resolution processes. There is a discussion about a revert war here. Please start a dispute resolution process for it and have the text added back if it is removed again. Thanks!-60.243.252.254 (talk) 15:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see the answer you were given to a very similar queston above. If you "do not have time" to follow Wikipedia policies, then we cannot really help you to do so. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear "medical student": See WP:BURDEN. The burden is on you to gain consensus for the text you want to add. You have not met that burden. I suggest you stop disrupting the article and go back to your studies if you cannot be bothered to spend the necessary time to engage with other editors and actually collaborate. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

citing syndicated article with different title

If a news article has a paywall, I assume that it'd be preferable to cite a syndication where there's no paywall. (I'm unsure if it's even possible to archive a webpage that's behind a paywall.) However, the syndication has re-titled its original source. So what should the reference be? rootsmusic (talk) 02:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Neither of the links you provide appear to be paywalled for me at least (and I certainly haven't paid for anything) - you should be able to cite the original if it is accessible. You are correct, freely accessible sources are preferred, but only as long as they are of at least equal quality as a source that is behind a paywall. Tollens (talk) 02:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens Did the original source finish loading? If yes, then a paywall should pop-up when you try to scroll. The syndication has the same body as the original source, except with a different title. rootsmusic (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Yep, it's completely loaded, but I can scroll all the way to the bottom with no paywall. If that's different than on your computer, feel free to cite the other website, as I assume the original will be paywalled for more than just you, and there's no quality difference. Tollens (talk) 02:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I too am able to see the article on the Record-Eagle site with no paywall. Deor (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I went to the site and was able to view the complete article. I then opened a second article and hit the paywall. So, a reader may get one "free" article. Savagemutt (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, that must be it. Looks like the same happens for me. Tollens (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Rootsmusic that's the loophole I noticed years ago with most websites.

If you're limited to how many articles you can read before you have to subscribe and/or pay, I get around that paywall by archiving them so that I can read as many articles as I want without subscribing or paying for anything.

I recently found a website where I couldn't get around the paywall which is rare, as like I said you can get around it with most websites. It was a French site which someone else had added to an article I updated, so I doubt I'll be adding it anywhere in future anyway.

Wayback Machine is usually better for archiving, however there's certain websites which won't archive there most of the time, but will archive on Archive.today, which is why I archive every web page I want on both sites, just in case one of them fails. Archive Today is better for reading articles though.

I mainly archive Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Vimeo, LinkedIn, Spotlight, Mandy, StarNow, Spotify, Apple Music, Soundcloud etc profiles, for people who have worked on visual productions (films, shorts, TV shows, music videos etc), which I then add to their IMDB profiles, which I then archive too. You used to be able to archive them all with no problem. However in the last year or two Instagram fails 99% of the time on both although on rare occasions it goes through on the Wayback Machine. Facebook profiles fail most of the time. Facebook pages however go through most of the time. Vimeo no longer archives images of any kind, whether it's the profile picture, or the video stills. Youtube sometimes has longish delays. LinkedIn fails 50% of the time. And since Twitter became X, I can no longer archive it on Archive Today. Danstarr69 (talk) 21:02, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

i got this message after i left open an artical for an hour by mistake.is this a common thing?

i left open an artical for an hour when i went to do errans. i left the computer running on by mistake. when i logged back in i saw this message. is this a common thing?

Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

i frogot to add the image so here it is Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Manthemanmancowman: I don't see the message you're referring to. Can you elaborate? Elli (talk | contribs) 21:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Oops, edit-conflicted with you. Yeah, that message is a normal donation banner. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

its in the replys. i forgot to add the image in the post Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Bizarre discussion of notability for Anirudh Devgan

A few weeks ago I noticed that the notability of Anirudh Devgan was being questioned. Aside from being the CEO of a multibillion company, he is an elected member of National Academy of Engineering, recipient of the "lifetime achievement" Phil Kaufman Award, and made specific award-winning technical contributions (for some reason, my edit with four refs for that was undone). Devgan also happens to be an IEEE Fellow, as mentioned in several sources, but the IEEE Fellow look-up fails to show that. It didn't help that a paid contributor suggested changes via the talk page, but that should not *hurt* notability either. Talk:Anirudh Devgan keeps on discussing this topic, with continued abstract arguments about "niche awards" and about CEOs of large companies not necessarily being notable. @Bookku was kind enough to try a process-based discussion of references (link from Talk:Anirudh Devgan), but I am not sure if that helped. Could someone constructive please take a look at this and put us out of our misery? Leaving unresolved warnings on pages for long time makes Wikipedia look unauthoritative, and suggests that the community can't handle straightforward notability checks. Thank you B030510 (talk) 18:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@B030510: Remember that notability isn't inherited. Just because someone is CEO of a notable company doesn't make him notable too. Being "mentioned in several sources" doesn't count either, this is routine coverage. Press releases as the paid editor is promoting on the talk page don't help in the slightest. The awards might be relevant, but to me this looks like a borderline case of notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist I am not pitching the CEO status or press-releases as arguments. Devgan is notable because he is a member of NAE (being a member of NAS is explicitly mentioned in notability guidelines as sufficient, and NAE is at the same level). Independently, Devgan is notable because he is a Kaufman award winner. Why would you dismiss notability guidelines and call this case borderline? (honest question) Independently, he is notable because he is an IEEE Fellow (and is in official lists), and this is explicitly mentioned as sufficient. Independently, he is notable because of his technical results that were recognized with major awards. Can you please share your train of thought rather than just say "borderline"? Thx B030510 (talk) 21:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@B030510: Looks like this article was tagged in May 2023. There are over 58,000 articles with topics of unclear notability, with about 55,000 tagged before May 2023, some going back to 2010. It's absolutely fair to say that the community can't handle (or isn't interested in handling) the volume of notability check requests. There are many other backlogs with thousands of pages to be fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 19:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty The discussions already consumed a lot of time, but it's a very simple case (also embarrassing for the community). Just one source [6] is sufficient (and there are other singularly sufficient sources). Why would you pick on the press-release when the page has much better sources? To me, it looks like a case of refusing to follow stated rules B030510 (talk) 21:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@B030510: Every editor in the community works on whatever they want. Hope the issue you're passionate about is resolved soon, and that you continue to improve Wikipedia articles! GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@B030510, when the article was tagged in May the editor commented as likely but not sure about the tags. Which is fine. However the article had not changed significantly since accepted at Articles for Creation by DGG, so the tags were a mistake. Most editors here are unfamiliar with the requirements for biographies of academic and technical people which are in WP:NPROF, so these kinds of mistakes happen. All any editor has to do to remove the tags is check that the material is currently fine. I do wish the IEEE would provide a complete list of Fellows, but they don't and the other sources are enough. I will put the awards in chronological order and remove the tags. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of Royal Horticultural Society Orchid Hybrid Database as a Source

Hi I had a draft rejected due to one of the sources being deemed unreliable namely the Royal Horticultural Society. I have reviewed Wikipedia's guidelines for sources and I'm unsure why it was deemed unreliable. Here is the draft in question: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Rhyncholaeliocattleya_Fortune Dholt123 (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @S0091 Qcne (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dholt123. Your draft was declined not rejected, and that is a very important distinction. The "Offspring" section is inappropriate. Wikipedia is not a product catalog, and all those names are obviously marketing terms, not scientific terms. The "History" section should be written in complete sentences instead of sentence fragments. As for the specific Royal Horticultural Society reference, I do not think that reliability is the issue, in my opinion. Rather, the reference is to a database that is intended to be all-encompassing. A routine database entry is not significant coverage and therefore does not contribute to notability. As a matter of fact, neither of your references devote significant coverage to the topic. Articles about recognized species are generally kept. I do not think that applies to hybrids, unless there is significant coverage of the hybrid in reliable sources. Mule is the obvious example. Cullen328 (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. What about the offspring section makes it inappropriate? I included it to show the hybrid offspring that were produced using Rhyncholaeliocattleya Fortune as one of the parent plants. Also as for the names of the offspring they are named in accordance to the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants rather than simply being marketing terms.

I would like to ensure that I am understanding the later half of you reply. Are you saying that due to the draft being about a hybrid you do not feel it would be notable enough to warrant an article? If I were to include a section about notable cultivars and awards that they have won would that be more along the lines of something that would make it article worthy? Dholt123 (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Dholt123 (talk) 22:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Dholt123, what you need to provide are references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to this specific topic. Database entries are not significant coverage. I see no value in a long, long list of various offsprings that tells the reader nothing about the individual offsprings. Cullen328 (talk) 22:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page Approval

Hi! I was wondering what problems I might have for creating this wikipedia page

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Liz_Gereghty Hallelujah18320 (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hallelujah18320 I think that the main issue is that you have added very little new about Liz Gereghty since your draft was declined. Presumably you are trying to show she meets WP:NPOL, which is unlikely until she has actually been elected to office. Candidates for office rarely meet the criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hallelujah18320 I see no indication in your draft that this person is notable at this time. She can be covered in a neutrally written article about the specific congressional race, along with all of the other candidates in that race. If she is elected in November, 2024, then that would be the time for a Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen328 I checked a few Wikipedia pages and the history of former candidates for NY-17. Their pages were created and published before they were elected in November 2020 and 2022. Is the notability criteria subjective then? Hallelujah18320 (talk) 17:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hallelujah18320, Mike Lawler was an elected member of the New York State Assembly from the 97th district before running for Congress, so he was already notable. As for Mondaire Jones, he received an exceptional amount of in-depth attention in the national media, which I remember clearly as a Californian. There was disagreement among reviewers about accepting his article, which was approved only about 5 months before the election, not 14 months in advance. In this case, attention is focused on her because her sister is Gretchen Whitmer, as seen by most of the headlines in your references. It is a widely accepted principle on Wikipedia that Notability is not inherited. I am giving my personal opinion, not a final judgment, but I have been dealing with political candidate articles for nearly 14 years. Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it! Thank you for the info! Hallelujah18320 (talk) 23:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

small tag usage valid in taxobox?

ex_ Neolamarckia cadamba has small tags in taxobox, its usage is valid? rudrudu_enwiki (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

The usage is common, but {{small}} is preferred because not all browsers will correctly render <small>, which is no longer part of the HTML standard. Folly Mox (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of a "Citation Needed" in the the Cultivation section of the Wiki on Tomato's

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Tomato#Cultivation

"A fertilizer with an NPK ratio of 5–10–10 is often sold as tomato fertilizer or vegetable fertilizer, although manure and compost are also used.[citation needed]." The "Citation needed" is a bit daft, to put it bluntly, don't you think? It's common knowledge manure and compost are fertilizers used for all sorts of flora. FranzSebastianvH (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, FranzSebastianvH. While it may be common knowledge that manure and compost are frequently used in agriculture, I do not think that "NPK ratio of 5–10–10" is common knowledge worldwide. According to Labeling of fertilizer, many countries use NPK labels but not all countries. And variations are noted for the UK, Australia and Poland. Wikipedia is a worldwide project. and we should be considering the needs of people interested in growing tomatoes who may know nothing about NPK labels, especially if that system is not used in their country. So, no, I do not think that the "citation needed" tag is daft, because Verifiability is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I think there are two ideas here, and a single {{cn}} on a compound sentence seems confusing itself. As Cullen328 notes, the first idea is a specific ratio of nutrients and marketing availability, not just the idea of fertilizer that is labeled for this use. And I agree that the 5-10-10 fact itself needs a cite. As FranzSebastianvH notes, the second idea is well known. But I would say it also needs a cite that they are used in this specific context, as in some cases these well-known fertilizers might not provide enough of a certain nutrient or might have other contents that make them not-recommended for certain plants. DMacks (talk) 03:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability of criminal act in high school article

If a high school teacher was convicted of sexual abuse of a student, and this was covered in local news stories (but not national news), would this qualify for inclusion in the article about the school? I do not wish to give specifics at this time. 2601:644:907E:A450:DCFD:2B4A:724A:451E (talk) 06:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Most likely not. A criminal act by an institution's employee is not a justification to add that mention in an article about that institution; in addition, WP:N requirements may not be met depending on when that happened and how it was covered in press. Lastly, the article could harm the entire institution based on that single conviction only. Podstawko (talk) 06:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Such material is usually only included if it is reliably sourced, there has been a conviction, and the incident involved the school more directly than simply being an act by a teacher (e.g., at the school or a school event, between a teacher and a student of the school). Meters (talk) 06:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Reliable source references of the school administration participating in a cover-up would raise the issue to reasonable to include. See Phillips Exeter Academy for example. David notMD (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

No-one can argue that a systemic problem like that isn't school related. No convictions mentioned, but then we're not naming the individuals accused either, so no BLP concerns. My simplistic comments above were tailored for what I thought the IP was asking about, a simpler "teacher X did Y" situation. And user:Podstawko's comment about notability is not correct. Notability determines whether we should have an article about an event itself, not whether the event can be included as content in an article about another subject. Meters (talk) 21:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Meters It was between a teacher and a student at the school, but there is no evidence that the school covered it up or any other faculty members were involved. There was a conviction; it was reported in a few local news sources. 2601:644:907E:A450:DCD5:DC12:5D81:DF74 (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

That is likely OK (I am assuming this is a teacher and a current student, thus the teacher is in a position of authority. Meters (talk) 05:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Making a page about someone

Hello,

I am new to wikipedia, but I want to create and edit pages about women I find inspiring. I have tried to study the guidelines the best I can, but sorry if I've made any mistakes. I would like to begin with a page about Zenna Hopson. I have previously worked for her, but am no longer employed by her. She is not paying me to do this, and she does not know I am doing this.

I belive her many public institutional roles make her suitably notable for a wikipedia page She was formerly chair of OFSTED in the uk and she served as a non-executive director on the board of the Royal Navy for 10 years and chaired their audit committee. She has been awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Portsmouth University. She is currently CEO of charity Dallaglio Rugbyworks. Zenna also makes frequent media appearances such as Sky News and LBC.

Zenna is the neice of the famous British intelligence officer Vera Atkins: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Vera_Atkins and she is the daughter of Guy Atkins, a scholar and expert in West African languages, he was the author of Manding Art and Civilization. I beleive at some point he would also be a suitable candidate for a wikipedia page due to his incredible contribution to the study of West African cultures.

If you feel this might be a suitable page, I can provide verifiable links for all of this information and I would ensure to write in a neutral tone.

Thank you so much for reading my message, any advice or help with this is very welcome. Audra AudraNoble1990 (talk) 07:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AudraNoble1990, and welcome to the Teahouse! Before you start working on a draft, I just want to make sure you understand the notability requirements for people, as they aren't particularly intuitive. Wikipedia's rules are designed in such a way that all the information in an article must be verifiable, and so the notability guidelines require that the person has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources before an article can be written, not that they have done something worthy of note as the typical sense of the word would be. In addition, because you know this person, you likely know much more about them than is written down - this information also may not be included in an article as readers and other editors have no way of verifying the statements made. This rule is much more stringent for articles about living people in order to protect the subject of the article - it will be significantly easier to write the article if you find sources first, then write the article based only on those sources, rather than the other way around. If you believe they meet the notability requirements, you can use the article wizard to create a draft page that you can work on, then submit for review when you're ready. Tollens (talk) 08:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AudraNoble1990. The relevant notability guideline is WP:NPERSON. Serving as an appointed official in a agency like Ofsted is not, in itself, evidence of notability. Chairing the audit committee of the Royal Navy is not evidence of notability. Having a famous uncle and father is definitely not evidence of notability. Literally the only thing that matters is whether or not Zenna Hopson is the subject of significant coverage in reliable published sources that are entirely independent of Zenna Hopson. If so, you format those sources into references, and then neutrally summarize what they say, and you have an acceptable Wikipedia article. If the sources are lacking, then it is simply not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. Focus on high quality sources, because they are like gold on Wikipedia. Literally everything else is trivial in comparison. Cullen328 (talk) 08:19, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328Thank you so much for reading my post and getting back to me with this advice. I completely understand your point and I will make sure to look for credible sources and draft a neutral summary as you suggest. thank you! AudraNoble1990 (talk) 10:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens thank you so much for your advice. The notability requirements are certainly confusing. I will start researching the sources and think about whether there is enough evidence to draft a page. Thank you so much for your help. AudraNoble1990 (talk) 10:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

It is also worth noting that anyone will subsequently be able to edit that article and she may not thank you for it as having a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira Thank you so much for raising this, I will consider it very carefully 95.148.89.77 (talk) 10:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Help in uploading image of painting

Hello wikipedia

I have encountered difficulties in understanding the proper way of uploading images of paintings to wikimedia. I have recieved written and oral permission from the heirs of the artists to upload selected images. This is part of a project seeking to raise awareness of Jewish/Israeli art, specifically in the North of Israel.

Thank you for your time. Homerethegreat (talk) 09:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat Wikipedia does not deal with freely licenced image uploads. This happens at Wikimedia Commons. Even there they do not care about a project seeking to raise awareness of Jewish/Israeli art, specifically in the North of Israel.. What they care about is correct permissions and licencing.

You will need to visit c:COM:VRT and follow the process outlined there 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat Thanks for wanting to contribute. This area is a bit complicated, but it can be done. Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator can help you write a mail licensing images under licenses Wikipedia and Commons can use, and will tell you where to send it. Hope this helps, copyright stuff can be a pain. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you :) Homerethegreat (talk) 12:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggestions to improve a Draft User:AKFkrewfamKF1/sandbox/KREW to replace current article KREW which is a stub

User:AKFkrewfamKF1/sandbox/KREW

I want this draft to replace the current KREW article, which is a stub article about a radio station. I noticed on Wikipedia:Processing drafts with duplicate titles that when a draft is better than the existing article, the existing article can be replaced with the draft. This is what I want.

The current article has only an infobox, 2 short paragraphs, and only a single reference. It is marked as a stub. My draft has actual headings and subheadings, 8 references, and much more content.

Still, I want to make sure this draft has the best chances possible of replacing the original article. Please leave any suggestions for improvement you may have. Any additional sources are also greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AKFkrewfamKF1! Regarding your desire to replace the existing article, it's good that you've already found the guidance for handling name conflicts when creating articles. However, the section you're looking at doesn't apply, since your draft covers a different subject than the existing article. You should instead take a look at this section and be prepared to have your article renamed with a disambiguating word such as KREW (gamers) or similar. To learn more about how this works, please read the guidelines for determining which article is the primary topic for a name. Good luck, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I guess the only way is if the original got deleted on WP:Notability. I do believe there is a chance as there is no significant coverage of the subject. Only the FCC page was referenced as a source, this is trivial coverage. I do not see how some small radio station in some small northwest Texan town can meet the notability standards (it certainly doesn't at the current point in time). AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to nominate the original article for deletion, although that may be seen as somewhat untoward since you want the name for your draft article. There are other options; for example, when your article goes through the articles for creation process, it could be that your article gets the name on the strength of your notability arguments and the original article is renamed with a disambiguating word instead. But for now, my recommendation is to concentrate on refining your own article, and handle the naming when it's time to do so. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

The draft you've written being accepted doesn't depend in any way on the KREW article being deleted, AKFkrewfamKF1. Each article/topic stands on its own merits and there can be as many articles about things with the same name as there are notable topics with that name. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @AKFkrewfamKF1. Only if the existing article is poor enough to qualify for deletion ("lousy article") will the draft replace it. The purpose of Articles for Creation is to determine whether a topic qualifies for inclusion in Wikipedia. Since KREW already does, your work does not need to be reviewed. Instead just rework the existing article. This keeps previous editor's work in the history, rather than erasing it. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Didn't read carefully enought. This doesn't apply since the topics are different. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@AKFkrewfamKF1, you have proposed the existing KREW article, about the 70-year old radio station, for deletion. This is to make room for your draft article, Draft:Krew, about your group of Canadian YouTubers. That’s unnecessary- as noted above, you can give it a different title. I’m copying some of the editors of the radio station article so they are aware of the situation: @Karenthewriter, @Wcquidditch, @Rudy2alan and @User:Tdl1060.

—A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 03:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

AKFkrewfamKF1 I am confused by you stating that station KREW is in a "some small northwest Texan town" for Plainview, Texas is not only a city with a population of 20,000+ but it is also the county seat of Hale County. I feel the KREW article should remain, so I have been researching the station, and added additional content, as well as four new references. Though it still remains a stub article, I see no reason to delete it. If your draft article is accepted the two KREW article can still exist; one can become KREW (radio) and the other KREW (YouTube videos) or whatever the reviewer chooses to call them. Best wishes on all of your Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Featured list needing fixes

I will need to make some edits to List of municipalities in Florida. The areas are out of date, and need an update based on the 2020 US Census Gazetteer. However, the area column of the table needs to be sortable - at the moment, it is sorting incorrectly because it contains both numbers and text - so it probably needs the {{nts}} template. I am also not sure if it should have a single column for area in both sqmi and km2, or separate columns for each. Which option seems better? Are these issues enough to demote it from featured list? Kk.urban (talk) 05:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you look at Template:Convert#Sorting? Looks like this is what you want, as the generated sortkey is calculated in based on both the value and its unit as passed to the convert template. Podstawko (talk) 05:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Podstawko Great, that is exactly what I want! Do you think there should be two column headers, "area (sq mi)" and "area (km²)", or would it be better with two rows for the header cell, like on List of cities in Alaska? Kk.urban (talk) 05:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I believe this is a preferential choice. The template I mentioned should work even if you keep both units in one cell (note that I haven't tried). Podstawko (talk) 06:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "a preferential choice"? Kk.urban (talk) 06:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I mean I don't think there is a style guide entry on whether units should be put in separate columns vs in a single one. At least there's nothing on that subject in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables#Sortability. The guide does contain advice on sortability though. Podstawko (talk) 08:28, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The other issue you raise is about updating for the 2020 Census. According to this edit, it was "updated a while ago". DMacks (talk) 08:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The population was updated, but not the area. Kk.urban (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Made required revisions to my article, how to see the status of the draft?

I made revisions required by Wikipedia and uploaded an edited version of this draft last week. Where can I check the status of the article? How long does it take for revised drafts to be reviewed? Tachycardia512 (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tachycardia512. The sataus of Draft:Joyce University of Nursing and Health Sciences is that you have not resubmitted it. I have restored the decline notice (which you improperly removed) and with it the "resubmit" button.

However, it is unlikely to be accepted unless you format the references properly, as suggested by Theroadislong, and check that most of the references meet the golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tachycardia512, You haven't resubmitted the draft for review. Also, there are many articles waiting review so it will take at least days or few months for someone to review your draft.

Also, your article still has many problems. There are still some promotional content and you haven't referenced the article properly. I suggest looking at WP:REFB; suggested by Theroadislong. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 16:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Reflinks tool

What happened to the Reflinks tool? Anytime I try to load it, it does not load and I get the message: This site can’t be reached - 69.142.160.183 took too long to respond. It is a great tool that I use for every article. Will it be fixed? Are any of the Featured Article Tools working? TwoScars (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@TwoScars: Reflinks was a great tool, but the creator is no longer active on Wikipedia. There are other tools such as reFill that you might like to try. No matter what tool you use, understand that it will make some mistakes which you should correct before saving your edit. GoingBatty (talk) 17:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

ProQuest

I've not accessed such sites as ProQuest for quite a while. Are they still available to regular Wiki contributors? If so, how? DMBanks1 (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC) DMBanks1 (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Much of ProQuest is available through WP:The Wikipedia Library. You can see info on logging in at that page, but feel free to ask follow-up questions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

TV Show scheduled for speedy deletion

I started a TV show and I tried to make a Wiki article about it but it was tagged for speedy deletion. Did I do something wrong? 75.134.76.134 (talk) 18:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You haven't said which article (and if it's been deleted, I won't be able to look at it anyway) but it is likely that you did the following things "wrong":

trying to use Wikipedia for promotion
trying to create an article about a subject which does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
trying to create an article about a subject where you have a conflict of interest (this is not forbidden, but it is discouraged, and there are restrictions)
writing an article based on what you know rather than on what independent reliable sources say.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you cannot find such sources, then there cannot be an article. ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation page needed for Krew. Should the current redirect be turned into a disambiguation page, or should a new Krew (disambiguation) page be created?

I noticed this after creating a userspace draft for Krew, which I called User:AKFkrewfamKF1/sandbox/KREW that I submitted for review. But that name was in conflict with the article KREW, about a radio station, so it was moved to Draft:Krew (Youtube group) by the reviewer. But I chose the all caps version because the page Krew is currently a redirect to Krewe. There is also a KR3W article about a clothing company.

Clearly a disambiguation page is needed here. But I do not know whether the page Krew (currently a redirect to Krewe) should be turned into a disambiguation page, or if a new Krew (disambiguation) page should be created. The user who moved the article cited Krewe as the primary page, but it is ranked a low importance by the project and by WikiProject Louisiana (mid importance by WikiProject Louisiana - New Orleans, but that is a very specific topic). Any help in deciding would be appreciated.

Pages that would be included in this disambiguation page are reincluded below for refference:

Draft:Krew (Youtube group) (this is a draft currently, but would be included if approved. Not in any importance category yet due to being a draft.)
Krewe (ranked low importance by wikipedia, low importance by WikiProject Louisiana, mid importance by WikiProject Louisiana - New Orleans. Considered a stub.)
KREW (ranked low importance by Wikipedia, low imporance by WikiProject Texas. Considered a stub. Currently proposed to be deleted.)
KR3W (ranked low importance by WikiProject Companies, low importance by WikiProject California, mid importance by WikiProject Skateboarding. Considered a stub.)
Probably many more pages that I am not aware of, considering the generality of the word Krew.

AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@AKFkrewfamKF1 I think you are correct that a disambiguation page should be made here, and you can start it if you like. I think Krew should probably then redirect to the disamb page, but I'm not 100% sure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Noting we also have Crew (disambiguation), Crewe (disambiguation) and The Crew. Popular word. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

question about article

Hello,

The article trans genocide is protected so no one can edit it, and I’m curious why that is? I’m also afraid I don’t understand why the article exists, frankly. Are trans people being systematically murdered in an organized fashion? Abrolator (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Abrolator, and welcome to the Teahouse! The reason given in the most recent protection log entry is "Persistent vandalism". As for your your second question, I would suggest reading the article. Tollens (talk) 22:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I should also clarify - the current protection settings do not make it "so no one can edit it". Anyone with an account that is at least 4 days old and has made at least 10 edits can freely edit the article. Tollens (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The vast majority of active Wikipedia editors can edit that article, Abrolator. Those who can't because their accounts are very new are free to make policy compliant edit requests at Talk: Transgender genocide after reading the article. Cullen328 (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I did read the article and I am able to confirm that nowhere in the article is it written that trans people are being systemicatically murdered in an organized fashion. Would it be accurate to conclude, based on there being no statement in the article that trans people are being systematically murdered in an organized fashion, that trans people are not being systematically murdered in an organized fashion? The article certainly presents no evidence by reliable sources that trans people are being systematically murdered in an organized fashion. Abrolator (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Abrolator:

I believe one's conclusion after reading an article is solely up to themselves and their conscience. Wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information.

If you consider to change this article to any extent, you are welcome to propose your changes at the talk page of the article, as @Cullen328 suggested. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Now that Abrolator has, following Cullen328's excellent suggestion, brought up his objection on the talk page, there's no point continuing this thread here. -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Abrolator, I would suggest that you refrain from making posts that repeat the same identical phrase four times. I perceive that as talking down to people. That degree of repetition is not persuasive but instead is somewhat irritating. Cullen328 (talk) 06:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

OP LTA-blocked. DMacks (talk) 22:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding sections to categories

How do I add a section to a category, such as how the 2019 Hartford and New Haven mayoral elections are part of this category despite not having their own article? Thanks. - RockinJack ^c 00:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Those pages are redirects that have been added to the category, 2019 Hartford mayoral election (automatic redirection disabled for that link) as an example. Redirects can be added to categories in the exact same way as normal articles. Tollens (talk) 00:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, thank you very much! - RockinJack ^c 00:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

A file has a very obviously wrong date

This file File:Dr. Heidi Bockhold Adjusts Horse.jpg says it comes from 30 November 1899. I think it is almost certainly 1999 considering the woman in question is currently alive https://optionsforanimals.com/about-us/faculty-and-staff-directory/dr-heidi-bockhold-dc/ and started her career in the 90s. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 13:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I've emended the date in the Commons file. Deor (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

To confuse this situation a bit further, it seems that the camera used was first introduced in 2007, meaning the photo couldn’t have been taken earlier than that year. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll note that it once again says 1899, as the 1999 one was removed by an IP for the same reasons you stated (and somehow the original date is still there). – 2804:F14:80FB:2E01:9513:7B7D:14E3:DEDD (talk) 01:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Finishing the topic before submitting to print

When I have finished the topic can I forward it to someone to have a look at to see if I am on the right track for what I want to do or do I just send it off and then hear back whether I am on the right track or not? Ngeralite (talk) 01:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

sorry, the teahouse only deals with questions relating to wikipedia editing. ltbdl (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ngeralite. I assume this is about Draft:Briann Kearney (producer). Since it was moved to draft and didn't go through the usual process, please read Wikipedia:Articles for creation for what to expect and what to do. You have already started the article. There is now a template at the top of the page that will let you submit it for review and you will get feedback. However there is a lot of work to be done before it is ready, and for help the template at the top of the draft has a "Where to get help" section.

You have sections labeled "Extract". It looks like you are copying in material from other places before writing about it. While this is a common way to proceed, you MAY NOT do that here on Wikipedia since we can't have copyrighted materials here and everything in Draft space is public. Please remove any such extracts. You will have to do that offline. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

how to rate articles, e.g., B-scale, C-scale?

Hi, can you point me to a how-to page for adding ratings to articles? And to reviewing articles? There is so much on Wikipedia that I find this process mystifying I have a sense of what the rating system is but not how to add a rating to an article. Thanks! CallMeBarcode (talk) 03:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, CallMeBarcode. Please read Wikipedia:Content assessment. To be frank, these assessments are not very important, except for Good articles and Featured articles. The difference between Start, C and B is negligible and highly subjective. I often upgrade articles marked as stubs to Start, but otherwise I pay little attention to it all. That's my view. Other editors may disagree. Cullen328 (talk) 03:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will try that. CallMeBarcode (talk) 04:18, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

"Free use rationale"

Hello. I am currently writing a draft and if it is published I would like to add a logo to the infobox. I understand that I will need to use the free use rationale template as I did it once before, but last time it was for a non-profit group and this time I do not understand what I need to do for the "commercial" bit.

It says "explain why our use of the file will not unduly infringe on any commercial interests of its copyright holders, by competing with the work's original market role.") but I don't understand why it would "compete" if it's just being used on a Wikipedia article. Thank you a lot. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 15:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

In general, if you're unclear on how to use a template, you can use the "What links here" option in the sidebar to find pages that already use the template and learn from their example. For this case, the template parameter in question is meant to be used on images that could have commercial value, for instance File:The_Sydney_Morning_Herald_front_page.jpg is a photo of a newspaper, and the commercial value of a newspaper mostly comes from being able to read the text on it, so the explanation notes it is too low resolution for that use. For images that lack commercial value, like the logo you mention probably does, the field is left blank or "n.a." WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, so it's not really so aplicable in the case of a logo? That makes sense. Thank you so much! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 04:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: I find it's easiest to use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard when uploading non-free images such as logos. The wizard will prompt you for what needs to be filled out. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:45, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Notcharizard I think you can actually upload that logo on Commons, see licensing etc on this example:File:Livingston International 2023 logo.jpg. Here is a logo-example on WP:File:History of Diving Museum logo.png. Note that non-free images must only be added to mainspace, not drafts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Khannark/sandbox

Note: Merged two sections with the same name (one made by ip, one by Khannark) 💜 melecie talk - 06:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Khannark/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC) 122.173.219.140 (talk) 06:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy deleted page link: User:Khannark/sandbox, deleted by Espresso Addict for G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

hi ip user! I'm assuming this is Khannark not logged in? if you're asking why the article was deleted, basically it was deleted because the article seemed to be advertising, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. I can't see the draft now so I can't really say anything about that, but if one of the reasons why you wanted to have an article is to advertise or promote something, please note that it's not the best idea, as apart from it not being allowed due to policy there are also reasons why you may not want one in the first place. if you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to ask here. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Khannark/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Khannark (talk) 06:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Khannark, and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that the page in question was deleted under criterion G11, indicating that the page appeared to be entirely promotional in nature - Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion and so the page was deleted. You don't appear to have asked a question; is there something you need help with? Tollens (talk) 06:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, I am an administrator and read your deleted draft. It was a non-neutral, highly promotional hagiography crammed full of lavish praise. It was utterly inappropriate for a neutrally written encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Cullen328,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to address the recent speedy deletion nomination of my user sandbox, User:Khannark/sandbox, I understand the importance of adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies and want to clarify my intentions.

First and foremost, I have no intention of violating Wikipedia's guidelines or policies. My purpose in creating the sandbox was to prepare and draft an article about a notable surgeon in accordance with Wikipedia's content guidelines. If any aspects of the sandbox appeared to be in violation of Wikipedia's goals or policies, I sincerely apologize, as this was purely unintentional.

I would like to request an opportunity to create a new article from scratch, ensuring that it complies with Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. I am committed to following all relevant Wikipedia guidelines in this endeavor.

I genuinely appreciate your assistance and understanding in this matter. Wikipedia is a valuable platform for sharing knowledge, and I am eager to contribute constructively to it.

Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to your guidance on how to proceed.

Sincerely,

khannark Khannark (talk) 07:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, my advice is simple and brief: Always comply rigorously with the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Khannark, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not an admin, so I cannot see the deleted draft; but I'm guessing that you made the same mistake as almost all new editors do when they try to create an article: you wrote what you know and believe about the subject.

Wikipedia is not interested in what you know and believe about a subject (or what I know and believe about it, or what any other random person on the internet knows and believes). It is interested only in what has been reliably published about the subject by people wholly unconnected with them.

So the way to write an article is to start by finding sources about the subject which satisfy the golden rule. Only when you have found several of these is there any point in writing anything at all (because if you cannot find them, you'll know that the subject does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notbility, and any further time you spend on this will be effort wasted).

If you have found these sources, you can start writing: write in your own words what those sources say. That's it. Even if you think they are wrong: unless you can find another reliable source that says what you think is the case, you should not "correct" them. Even if they say something that you really really don't think should be in the article, if the reliable sources say it (and it is encyclopaedic) then you should put it in. That's what a neutral point of view means. ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Problem with navigation box

Would someone please look at Template:Clinton (village), New York and tell me why the last category does not format correctly. Thank you, deisenbe (talk) 12:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Fixed: the text was "group 8" instead of "group8". Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 12:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

African-American culture

i am trying to move the page African-American culture to African American culture which is currently just a redirect. The page should be correctly named without the hyphen between "African" and "American" as simply "African American" then culture. can someone help me make this move please? Iljhgtn (talk) 23:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

You will need to follow the instructions listed here. After seven days, the request will be closed by an uninvolved editor as either not done or done, depending on the outcome. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 23:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

i am trying to figure that out. i do not see the new section thing i am supposed to use to start a new request. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you looking on Talk:African-American culture? For me, the 'New section' tab is between the 'Edit' and 'View history' tabs. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.66.229.169 (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

i think i figured it out and place the request here Iljhgtn (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, this move was previously requested on 23 June 2021 on the article's Talk page, discussed, and unanimously opposed. It does not fit with Wikipedia's standard practices.

Wikipedia titles its articles with the most commonly used English-language terms for the subject (see WP:Common name), though it uses redirects to recognise others searched for, and it reflects real-world usages; it does not attempt to change them by adopting different ones, however virtuous. (See WP:Right great wrongs). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.66.229.169 (talk) 13:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

template for American football standings (historical)

I am working on some interconnected sports pages (in American intercollegiate sports) and am trying to add to a series of annual standings already in Wikipedia. I keep getting blocked, most recently by someone saying my submission is "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia" or some such nonsense. There are already dozens, if not hundreds, of similar annual standings templates in Wikipedia, and I am only trying to add to them, reflecting my own research. How to I resolve this, or am I permanently blocked from doing so for some reason? Dracydni (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I noted two concerning things in your question. You stated that you were trying to "reflect your own research" which is not allowed as per Wikipedia:No original research. Additionally, you said that there were hundreds of other templates like the ones you were trying to create. You were trying to create an article, not a template, which require reliable sources, and not just a list of standings. I hope this helped you and happy editing! Industrial Insect (talk) 14:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I have been editing the article "Indiana Intercollegiate Conference" and would like to add to the list of football standings at the bottom of the article. The standings for the years 1931-42, 1945, and 1946 are already there. For reasons I cannot understand, I am being blocked from adding other years as I compile those statistical facts.

I apologize for misusing the word "research." What I am doing is compiling statistical facts. There are no theories or opinions involved here. I'm just compiling wins and losses for football teams in the 1920s and 1930s. These are of the same nature as compilations of statistical facts that are already in Wikipedia (14 of them for this same conference, for the years noted above). I think one problem is that I am not using the proper terminology (article? template?) for what I am trying to do. The standings for each of the years has a stand-alone existence in Wikipedia so that seems to be where I have to start, but I can't get past the draft stage without having someone block me. For example, I have built 1928 to look just like the other years, and have the sources footnoted, but it is still sitting there in limbo.

I have put up new pages and made nearly 2,000 edits in the past, and I have never encountered this kind of obstacle. I would appreciate any help you might offer me. Dracydni (talk) 15:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dracydni I think the problem, from what I could see, Is that you were trying to make a new article instead of simply editing it. Also, it seems that the game standings are already in the article. Industrial Insect (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Conversation

hi how do start talking to people@ 2601:546:8080:3920:80E2:83D6:54A:E7CC (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Just like that. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you looking for our article on child development stages? Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to say that, If I am correct, you have mistaken Wikipedia for a social media platform or some kind of forum, of which it is neither, (Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). Happy editing! Industrial Insect (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Wes Unseld (NBA basketball player)

Hello and good day. Go to Wes Unseld, scroll down to NBA career statistics, below the legend, please clean up table. No, I didnt do this, just discovered this randomly. Thank you and have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Wes Unseld § NBA career statistics - 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531, The table has been fixed by another user. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 16:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Validating family tree in MyHeritage

I am an 81 year old man and have been working on my family tree for several years using MyHeritage and FamSearch. Is there a way to validate ancestry using Wikipedia? I am using only direct blood relatives to build the tree (No siblings or adoptions), just going back in history with fathers and mothers. Because MyHeritage shows family histories from other users of the program, they often contain faulty information that leads me astray. Any ideas for validating the "real" links to my ancestors? Iamddo (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Iamddo: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Please be mindful that Wikipedia is not an authoritative source on ancestry. It is based on volunteer input, which is based on the reliable sources they find on the internet. Besides, the majority of people (including yours truly here) would probably not satisfy the notability requirement of Wikipedia and not be included on the website.

Have a great day! --TheLonelyPather (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

As TLP says, Wikipedia cannot be used to validate anything with any certainty. I wonder whether you have tried Ancestry.com, which has a good reputation. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have access to most of the genealogical websites, including the Mormon records. If I find that I may have someone in my family tree who is famous or infamous, I always look for them in Wikipedia. It is usually very helpful. Iamddo (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iamddo: When you find information in a Wikipedia article about someone in your family tree, I recommend reviewing the reliable published source that accompanies the statements in the article for validation. If a source is missing for a given statement, feel free to add {{citation needed}} next to the statement, and hopefully another editor will provide a source. GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Column Widths

List of James Bond novels and short stories

I've tried to edit the column widths. I had some success with style="min-width: 600px;" and style="min-width: 60em;" in Column6 (in preview), but I can't restrict the width of Column1.

Can it be done... can you do it? MBG02 (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

By "restrict", do you mean making it wider or narrower, and as compared with the default or compared with the longest title? I see a few {{nowrap}} that may interfere with narrowing. DMacks (talk) 15:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I meant "restrict" to a max width... i.e. make it narrower. Removing nowrap fixed it. (In my opinion). Thanks.

The font in the Plot column appears larger in my iPhone, but not in my iPad. I'll let someone else decide if that needs amending. MBG02 (talk) 18:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable people

Is there any policy surrounding "notable people" lists in articles on cities? Should the lists themselves be included or not? If so, what constitutes notable; as in what is the scope – just born in the city, actively contributed to its history?

My question stems from an edit to the page on Oruro to include a person born in the city but who is otherwise only notable for actions in a different country entirely. I initially removed the entry, but the original editor correctly pointed out that the figure themself is notable, even if the connection to the city they're from is minimal. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Does WP:LISTPEOPLE help? There are some exceptions, but in general any list of people in an article should consist of blue links. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

"Born in" is usually allowed to stand, even if notability occured when the person lived elsewhere. Another example is a notable person who lived in a community for a short period of time. This can be seen for professional athletes who move when traded to other teams, or no longer an active athlete. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

In my experience, these lists usually lack clear inclusion criteria and reliable sources, and have a tendency to bloat over time. In my view, it would be better to cover this sort of content in prose, ideally using a small number of sources that explicitly discuss who's notable from a place, rather than with lists of everyone for whom there's a source saying they're from a place or lived there. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

They can also be "included"by adding a city category to the people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Krisgabwoosh their birthplace should be a certainty for inclusion, no matter what.

The place where they are raised should also be a certainty imo.

The place where they live or have lived as adults is the only questionable one, as some people move around more than others.

There's a few people who have popped into my head...

An actor/writer/comedian - Born in Bradford. Raised all over the place, but mainly in Pocklington. University educated in Manchester. And has lived in Exeter for most of his life. Bradford, Pocklington and Exeter can legitimately claim he's from there in a list, although Manchester is only worthy of a "educated at this university" category addition imo.
A former child TV actress, who now is a stage actress - Born somewhere in Southern Asia where there was a war (I can't remember where). Moved to Bradford when she was 7, and was raised here. And has lived in London for all her adult life. All 3 places can include her in a list imo.
A film and theatre actor - Born in Bradford. Moved to Dublin when he was 5, and was raised there. Lived in the USA for the rest of his life. Again, all 3 can claim he's from there in a list. However he will always be English to me, whether he claimed to be Irish or not, as birthplaces are the most important factor of nationality to me.
A film and TV actress from my city - Born in Bradford. Raised in Bradford. Lives in Bradford. However she lived in around 5 different neighbourhoods (some of which think they're separate from the city) growing up, one of which she can barely remember. Plus the one time she mentions it, the journalist who wrote the article spelt the neighbourhood incorrectly, so apparently it can't be used as proof according to some Wikipedia admins, even though there isn't a neighbourhood with that incorrectly spelt name in the city. With her it's much simpler to just say she's from the city as a whole, as trying to narrow it down to 1 specific neighbourhood (like some people like to do), when she's lived in 5 different neighbourhoods, will just cause arguments.

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

That seems to check out. I think I've come to the opinion that "notable people" lists do little that categories don't already, and contribute to bloat. In the absence of any standards prohibiting them, though, I guess I'll leave it at that.

P.S.: That last point about the neighborhood spelling gave me a chuckle. I love Wikipedia, but oh do we argue about nothing, ha, ha. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Most readers are unlikely to look at the categories, but will see the lists. Kk.urban (talk) 05:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Just to further bolster this point, I used to explore en.wiki via categories, but now that I primarily navigate in the mobile app, I honestly don't even know how to view categories on any given page: if available for mobile readers, they're certainly not prominent. Chiselinccc (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Images

how do i include images and/or videos to an article Miley (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio: Hello, I suggest you read Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor to add images to an article. —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 11:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It is confusing that you are User:Divalicio but you have chosen to "Miley" to show as your signature. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I chose Divalicio because whenever i tried entering Miley it would just say that the name is already taken Miley (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio Please don't ask the same question in multiple places, as it wastes time of those who reply, as I did at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Picture. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

And please read Wikipedia:Signature forgery and ensure your signature complies with policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio I will add to the chorus of editors who have requested (the rest on your talk page) that you cease with the personal attacks and uncivil language immediately. Wikipedia is not a random social media forum where you can call people names and speak rudely to them, it is an encyclopedia. I reverted an edit in which you inserted something along the lines of "I'm a little dumbie" into another editor's *very* patient and helpful advice to you, you are not allowed to alter other people's comments here, especially to add a personal attack. Chiselinccc (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Editor Block?

Not to be confused with being blocked from editing.

After editing for a couple of weeks I feel as if I hit a roadblock. I can't figure out what to edit. Has anyone else had this too? Subariba (talk) 00:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Subariba: Check out Wikipedia:Task_Center and WP:Backlog for some ideas. You can also try signing up for suggestions using the button at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions. Or, take a break and come back when you have an idea of what you want to work on. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Subariba, are you talking about something akin to writer's block? I like wp:typo team for finding something to work on. Valereee (talk) 00:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How

How do I fix the bishop-accountability.org references on my draft so that it displays the author (if applicable), date and title? What html code would I use? Thank you and May God bless you. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Gordon_J._MacRae ServantofGod2 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

{{cite web}} ltbdl (talk) 02:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @ServantofGod2 and welcome to the Teahouse! there is a template used to format and display references. since bishop-accountability.org is a website, you may use {{cite web}} for those references. other references may use {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite news}}, or other templates that can be found over at Citation Style 1, and more information on citing can be found at Citing sources. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 02:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of {{cite web}}

I would like to use the cite web template to cite some interviews. I wish to make clear that what is cited comes from the interviewer not the interviewee. I am not sure that if I just add the editor field to the citation this is clear. This for a WP:BLP. I believe that things said by the interviewer are less likely to be judged as self-promotion than things mentioned by the interviewee. Any advice? Oldsilenus (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Oldsilenus and welcome to the Teahouse. Use Template:Cite interview instead. It has fields for the interviewer and for the subject. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Oldsilenus, whichever citation template you use, you'll still have to clarify in the prose that the statement you're referring to was made by the interviewer rather than the interviewee, but unless the interviewer is very experienced or an investigative journalist they are likely to speak highly of the subject during the interview. It's a fairly natural phenomenon and a professional courtesy. Folly Mox (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm back after 15 years, and I have a question about removing edits

I used this account when I was a little boy. I just recovered it and logged in for the first time in 15 years. This is cool.

I looked through my old edits, and I saw one in which I shared some information that I shouldn't have. Live and learn, it was over half a lifetime ago. Is there a way that a moderator can completely remove an edit, as if it never existed, such that others can't see it by looking through an edit history?

Thanks. Chesslover96 (talk) 03:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chesslover96. Please read Wikipedia:Oversight. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Chesslover96, welcome back, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It is possible for the admins to hide any edits a user has made (e.g. privacy or offensive edits). Please see WP:OS. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thanks @Midori No Sora! I just sent the Oversight Team an email.

By the way, cool username! What do you think is the best way to start editing again after a long break? Chesslover96 (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can check the Task Center for things to do. --Stewpot (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chesslover96: Welcome back! If you're interested in editing articles about chess, you might be interested in working on resolving issues on the Cleanup listing for articles in WikiProject Chess. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

If you haven't, I recommend you brush up on how to add references (WP:TUTORIAL). Adding good refs is essential these days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

how its work a sand box

write a some information about my company BuzzPlussolutions (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

OP indef blocked for promotion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How should citations to the Talmud be formatted?

I want to clean up and improve citations to the Talmud, but I don't know how to acccomodate the traditional citation system within Wikipedia's templates.

Background: References to the Talmud invariably mean the Talmud Bavli, the Babylonian Talmud, although it might be specifically identified as such to avoid potential ambiguity. There is another work called the Jerusalem Talmud, which would usually be identified as such. I don't propose to address citation to the Jerusalem Talmud at present, because it's a less standardised system.

Citations to the Babylonian Talmud consist of a volume name, e.g. Bava Batra, and followed by a folio/side number, such as 91a or 12b. This uses the pagination of the standard text, the Vilna Edition Shas. There are many modern editions of this work by different publishers, and several translations. The original (Aramaic) text is almost always identical across editions, but the translations are of course different.

Consequently, it seems to me that a correct citation to the Babylonian Talmud would include:

Where the reference is to the original text:

The book: Talmud Bavli or Bablylonian Talmud
The volume: Bava Batra or whatever
The folio reference: 91a, 12b, or whatever

Additionally, where the reference is to a translation, or a particular edition of the original text:

Publisher
Name of edition
and (possibly) Translator

And of course if the work is online:

URL

So a complete reference IMO would be something like:

Talmud Bavli, Bava Batra 91a, The William Davidson digital edition of the Koren Noé Talmud, Sefaria.org

The particular problems I have had are distinguishing between the title of the text ("Babylonian Talmud, Bava Batra") and the title of the edition ("William Davidson Digital Edition"), as well as using the name of a volume ("Bava Batra") rather than a number ("7"). Any suggestions as to how I can best accommodate this within (e.g.) Wikipeda's template:Cite book would be appreciated. Joe in Australia (talk) 06:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Joe in Australia. Does Template:Cite Talmud work for you? Concidentally, my wife and I were married in San Francisco 42 years ago by Rabbi Joseph Asher, who spent seven years in Australia during and immediately after World War II, before coming to the United States. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Cullen328. I wasn’t aware of that template, so thanks! It does solve part of my problem (standardising bare references to the Talmud) but it doesn’t seem to provide a way to link to an online copy. How would one go about proposing an amendment, just suggest it in the talk page? Would I get in trouble if I edited the template to add e.g. fields for an URL and publication data? Alternatively, is there a way to combine two Template:cites in one reference? Joe in Australia (talk) 09:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joe in Australia Template:Cite Talmud/testcases has examples with associated URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Can't tell if a certain page is published or not

I'm currently working on a draft (Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) - Wikipedia) because I believed there was no page existing for the movie. If you type the name of the movie in Wikipedia it says the page does not exist. Somehow, I came across this: Glass Harmonica (cartoon) - Wikipedia which has a "current" and a "stable" version, whatever that means. Trying to search for this specific page yields nothing, but the page doesn't say that it is a draft too. What is this page, and does its existence change anything about my plans for my own draft? Welcome back bro (talk) 02:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Welcome back bro and welcome to the Teahouse! the existing article is on the Russian Wikipedia, which is pretty much its own project separate from the English Wikipedia, and is on Russian instead of English. if you couldn't search it here in the English Wikipedia, it probably doesn't exist here so it's still alright for you to make your draft even if there's an existing article in another language. the "current" and "stable" versions refer to whether a certain revision is patrolled, which if I understand it correctly is a process that does exist in the English Wikipedia though in a different and less restrictive form (we only patrol new pages, and while we also do have a similar system of pending changes, it only affects some articles, not all of them). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro Your search led you to one of the other-language versions of an article about that film. The links between these versions are stored in Wikidata, specifically for that film here. Knowing this might help with your draft because it reveals that there are also versions in Dutch and Polish. Any one of these might suggest sources. Once your draft is accepted into English Wikipedia, it too should be linked to Q3124959. Meanwhile I suggest you read MOS:PLOT as I think the section on the plot you currently have, at ~900 words, is a bit too long. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Sandbox question

I have no idea how to create a new sandbox page (mind you, not DELETE it, but create second one.) Help!!!!!!!!!! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 17:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition One way is to create a redlink and then click on that. So User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/Newsandbox would do the trick. There should be a forward slash (/) after your username and before the name you wish to use. Note that clicking the link I made here also provides the link to the Help Page.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Much obliged. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) after 2 edit conflicts I'll just add that the guideline for creating subpages is WP:SUB, and it says that you can freely make subpages of your own user page. So you can put it pretty much anywhere you like under your user page, e.g. User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/sandbox2 - Astrophobe (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

though @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition, please note that other sandboxes do not show up on the top bar like your main sandbox User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/sandbox, so you may want to leave a link somewhere like that sandbox or your userpage so you don't lose it. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't really lose a user subpage. If you go to Special:Contributions and scroll all the way to the bottom, the first link in the navigation box after the username is titled "Subpages", and will show a list of pages in the user's space, like Special:PrefixIndex/User:Melecie/ or Special:PrefixIndex/User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/. Folly Mox (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

true, but I think it's still better to keep it stored somewhere just so it's easy to access it. 💜 melecie talk - 06:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Melecie@Folly Mox Thank you both for contributing, I agree on both of your inputs and will utilize those methods going forward. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

History of the Philippines

In reading History of the Philippines, I noticed lots and lots of places where it seemed to me to need copyediting. I decided to do that. However, when I began editing, I noticed a line near the top of the editing page that said, "{{Use Philippine English|date=January 2023}}." This led me to stop editing, abandon any changes I had made, and come here for clarification. I understand there are allowances for British vs. American English, but what about Philippines English? Is that even a thing? Although I live in the Phils, I am not ethnically a Filipino. I know well that English as used orally by Filipinos is different from how Americans use it, but does that legitimize it for use on Wikipedia? If it does, I will just keep my white nose out of it. If not, I will proceed as I began. I have a second, related question. If I am making lots of small edits, maybe even a couple hundred, do I a) enter and save them together as one very long edit, b) make each a separate edit, or c) somewhere in between the two? Dgndenver (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Dgndenver, like you, I know nothing of Philippine English, so I'll just answer your second question. I would make the edits in batches, of several on the same issue, or several in one section, with edit summaries that explain what they have in common. A snag with submitting too many at once is that another editor who disagrees with one change may revert the whole edit. Maproom (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dgndenver: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1200. I'm not familiar with Philippine English orthography, but this part of the Philippine English article might help you:

Philippine English traditionally follows American English spelling and grammar while it shares some similarity to Commonwealth English. Philippine English follows the latter when it comes to punctuation as well as date notations. For example, a comma almost never precedes the final item in an enumeration (much like the AP Stylebook and other style guides in English-language journalism generally).

Granted, it's got a {{citation needed}} template at the end, so take it with a grain of salt. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Some more info, albeit probably only slightly useful in this case, might be found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Philippines-related articles. Lectonar (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Looking at Philippine English it seems to be a complex mix of "American English spelling and grammar while it shares some similarity to Commonwealth English".
My copy of MS Word has "English (Philippines)" as an option - if you have that, it might be worth copypasting some text and seeing what Word's "English (Philippines)" makes of it - it should give the articles some consistency provided other authors do the same. Arjayay (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Philippine English is definitely a thing, unless the article about it is an elaborate hoax. Philippine_English#Orthography_and_grammar describes some of its particularities. From my five minutes of reading on the subject, it also seems to be well-established in written usage. WP:ENGVAR is not restricted to US vs. UK, so it definitely applies here (use Philippine English for subjects related principally to the Philippines).

That being said, "copyediting" can including many things. If the article says something about the "kolour" of the flag, you can confidently correct to "colour". However, further "correction" of "colour" to "color" (or the other way around - I have no idea which is correct) should not be made unless you are sure that is the Philippine English usage.

Your ethnicity or skin color is irrelevant in that regard, what matters is your proficiency in the (specific dialect of the) language. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

redirects with visual editor

is there a way to make a simple redirect with the visual editor instead of source editor? Iljhgtn (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I recommend you read WP:REDIRECT. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 13:10, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you that was not very hard. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Submission review to Mainspace

Can I move a draft that I have submitted for review to mainspace before the review process? If yes, I need to remove the Draft and AfC tags from the article before moving it, right? Also will there by any other entries that I need to make changes on w.r.t my submission. Draft:Suresh Selvarajan. Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeraxmoira Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unless you have much experience having drafts accepted, it is highly recommended that you allow the review process to play out. It's even more important to use the process if you have a conflict of interest. It's better to find out problems with the draft first, rather than later as an article. However, if you are confident the draft would survive a hypothetical Articles for Deletion discussion, you are probably fine to move it. 331dot (talk) 06:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The article was created forward and I am sure it passes GNG. I am more concerned about the stray entries that it may leave behind because of the submission review. From the 'What links here' page [7] I can see a lot links. Is there a bot to clean up the entries after I move it? Or should I do it myself? Example: Wikipedia:AfC sorting & User:SDZeroBot/Pending AfC submissions. Please advise <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I would be more concerned about whether the draft establishes that the subject is notable. I haven't checked all the references, but those that I did check either weren't independent of the subject, or lacked extensive discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 07:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I have replied here here regarding WP:N. Jeraxmoira (talk) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

please note that interviews are NOT reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Given that this is your first effort at creating an article. I strongly recommend going through AfC versus moving it to mainspace. The latter path could result in the article moved back to draft or even nominated for deletion as part of the New Pages Patrol process. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I already have two articles in main space and they were created directly. I wanted to know how the review process worked and that's why I submitted this one. Per the discussion here, I guess it doesn't exactly pass GNG but still goes through on WP:CREATIVE Jeraxmoira (talk) 12:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed that in looking at your history of edits. There is a backlog of ~4,000 submitted AfC draft, but the system is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to do next. So, could be days, weeks, or sadly, months. Per comments by Theroadislong, consider trying to strengthen refs while waiting for a review. I note that refs 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 are about one film, so you have little on other parts of his career. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the inputs, I am working on expanding the article further. Just a question here, WP:CREATIVE is applicable even when its only about one particular notable film/ body of work, right? Do reviewers accept an article when it fails GNG but passes WP:CREATIVE? Or is WP:CREATIVE only used as a point on AfDs Jeraxmoira (talk) 04:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira, there are a few subject-specific notability guidelines which "override" WP:GNG, but WP:NCREATIVE is not one of them. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

adding specific pages from a cited book

i want to add specific page numbers from a cited book for an article i was doing some work on for a book called Dream Hoarders. I was able to cite the book, but was not able to cite the specific page numbers for each different citation. if i added a page number to one, it would add page numbers to all. For example, if i added to one citation "page 3", then all areas where there was a citation to the book would then say "page 3", instead of "page 3" or "page 47" etc. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

look at the block quotes primarily for where i am having this problem. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iljhgtn. I prefer to use Template:Sfn for situations like that. Some people use Template:Rp. I can answer followup questions on either option. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

are those used in visual editor? source editor is too complicated for me Iljhgtn (talk) 13:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Both are available in Visual using the Insert > Template > Template search option. Once you've selected the template, the editor guides you through filling in the needed bits of info. If you're looking for this to be as painless as possible, Rp is probably the way to go. You'll just type in the page number or page range each time you use the template. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

painless is good. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

italicize an article title

working on an article on a book, but would like to move the page to instead by italicized, how do i do that for an article title? the article is for a book called Dream Hoarders, and i looked at a popular book such as Harry Potter which is already italicized. please help me. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@iljhgtn: {{italic title}} ltbdl (talk) 11:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: In this case, {{Infobox book}} already italicizes the article title, so {{italic title}} is superfluous. GoingBatty (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

oh well i only added that later in my editing of that page so i didn't notice. so one or the other, but not both is needed? Iljhgtn (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Yep. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding Linlang to main space

Can I submit this draft for submission? https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Linlang# 120.28.185.206 (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You could, but it's far from ready for review. If you submitted it now, it would be declined. It would be best to improve it first. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Upcoming dramas like Linlang are rarely notable until they have been aired and they have been reviewed in reliable sources. At present, you definitely don't have enough of these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism

I found what appears to be pretty balant vandalism on https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=CIA_and_the_Cultural_Cold_War&oldid=1171404245 under the section of CIA and music composition while reading the page.

I was trying to find a wiki project to bring attention to this page but it appears the Cold War wikiproject is dead.

Could I get some assistance in this regard? AevumNova (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks like the revision is no longer in the page, but I might suggest asking an administrator on their talk page (say, one of these) if this warrants WP:RVDL. - Astrophobe (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Astrophobe I don't think REVDEL is quite warranted in this instance.

However, AevumNova, you could easily have reverted the vandalism yourself, simply by going to the View History tab and seeing the table of edits (most recent at the top). Each one has an 'undo' link next to it, and you are free to revert a damaging edit. It helps to leave a brief edit summary like "rv vandalism" to explain why you are undoing the previous edit. You are free to warn an editor if you remove a bad edit (though it's too late to worry about that now in this instance). You can use TWINKLE to make leaving templated messages quicker and easier. There's guidance on dealing with vandalism at WP:RVAN. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm still very confused by a lot of wikipedia policies so I greatly appreciate your help! AevumNova (talk) 20:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@AevumNova No worries. Note: it has been suggested to me that my advice about REVDEL in this instance could have been incorrect (see here). As always, there can be misunderstandings or misinterpretations of policies. But as long as we all work 'in good faith' we all live and learn for next time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

An administrator deleted my photo based on false assumptions

Hello Wiki friends,

My name is Amin. Yesterday I received a message from a Wiki administrator, claiming that I had uploaded a photo to Wikipedia “primarily for the purpose of insulting, demeaning, or defaming a person..”.. The administrator deleted the photo without giving me a opportunity to discuss it.

The administrator deleted the photo based on his assumptions that were incorrect. I had uploaded that photo with the full permission of my friend, and it was intended to inform, and not to insult or defame anyone. My friend who was in the picture and I both had a laugh about it. By now you must be curious about the photo. As it has been deleted by the administrator, you can still see a screenshot here, on a tweet that happened to go a bit viral, and my reply-tweet here.

I feel the administrator was wrong to delete the photo without any discussion. I would like to restore it. What would be my next step to do that? I welcome any help.

And if the administrator was right to delete it, I could accept that too. But I’d like to understand his arguments better. Because right now I feel they’re based on false assumptions and accusations. Small things like this slowly suck the fun out of reading and editing Wikipedia.

Thanks, Amin (Talk) 09:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Amin. You uploaded the picture to Wikimedia Commons, not to Wikipedia, and it was there that it was deleted. See the message on your Commons user talk page c:User talk:Amin, and address any comments or questions you have to Commons, which is a separate project from Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The Commons help desk is at c:commons:Help Desk ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will ask my question there. Amin (Talk) 15:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I reply to ITN Candidates?

Where do I click to reply? Elisecars727 (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Elisecars727, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you're talking about Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates? You could click the little reply link at the end of the nominator's comment, or the edit link next to the title of the nomination if you wanted to reply "manually". 57.140.16.29 (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I did not get deletion notifications for a draft

I created Draft:Jikkō kyō a while ago. Normally when a draft is potentially G13 deleted you get notifications about it, but this one I got nothing for, no 5 months warning and no talk page message about it being deleted at 6 months. Since I have a lot of drafts and often use deletion nobtifications as an opportunity to put work into the article I see this as potentially concerning. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 14:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Immanuelle. You did get the five month warning - see here. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 14:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay so now the only issue is why I didn't get a talk page notification Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 14:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Aren't these notices placed as a courtesy at the discretion of the administrator who deletes the draft? The notice I see at the end of your talk page wasn't left by a bot, but by a human. Isn't there a bot that leaves notices about recently-deleted inactive drafts? ~Anachronist (talk) 14:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

FireflyBot only gives five month notices; I don't think there's any notify-upon-deletion bot. Some admins might use scripts to automatically leave a notice. And like most human beings, an admin might occasionally forget. As far as I can tell per Criteria for speedy deletion, no notice is actually required, but there's strong consensus that one should be left. I'd recommend bringing this up with the deleting admin, @Immanuelle. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The deleting admin did leave a deletion notice, here. Immanuelle, I would recommend not relying on G13 notices and warnings as part of your draft workflow. They are common practice, but not required. Many G13 undeletion requests are granted, and you can make such a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers - that's a different draft and a different admin. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

woops! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I disagree that there's strong consensus about this. Speaking for myself, I never leave a notice after deleting a page, except in rare circumstances. If an editor has already been warned about the possibility of deletion, then notice has already been given. The editor's failure to read or react to that notice isn't really my concern, because the editor had ample opportunity to respond. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist, I was just quoting the policy page - There is strong consensus that the creators and major contributors of pages and media files should be warned of a speedy deletion nomination (or of the deletion if not informed before). (and following paragraph). Seems fair to interpret the five month warning as being previously informed, but also fair to say it isn't. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Saying hello to the community

Hi, just saying that I've been a user on Wikipedia for 19 or so years, but have only occasionally edited or added an article. I have never engaged with the community much, but recently I have intensified my Wikipedia work somewhat and thus wanted to introduce myself -- I'm Podstawko (Adam in real life), work in IT but have a wide variety of interests otherwise, actually I suffer from overfocusing on new interests and falling into various rabbit holes. I would love to contribute to Wikipedia much more than I have so far. My contributions are split between Polish and English wikipedias, so I'll be building my reputation 2x slower than an average English contributor :) Some tips on where most help is needed would be welcome, I guess Wikipedia:Backlog is one of the places to go, any other hints? In any case, hello and happy to be a part of the Wikipedia Community! Podstawko (talk) 09:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, back! Even though you've been around for 19 years, welcome to the English Wikipedia, Podstawko. As far as what to do, you could check the Task center, and I also encourage you to sign up with or visit the project pages for various WP:WikiProjects, which will give you some ideas of things that need doing. Finally, there's User:SuggestBot, which will suggest some articles that may be of interest to you, based on your past editing history. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

When I first got stuck into editing, I checked out SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which you can set up and it gives you suggested articles to improve on varying levels of difficulty. Qcne (talk) 10:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

As you are multilingual, you might want to have a look at pages needing translation; I am sure we have some articles which have been translated from Polish, and need some sprucing up. Example: Paprzyca coat of arms. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mathglot and Lectonar. Thank you for the tips; I have already bookmarked User:SuggestBot, Wikipedia:Task Center, Wikipedia:WikiProject and SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE, and based on Lectonar's advice I started looking into the translation needs and even suggested one of the new articles... for deletion! (Which is a first for me.) Exciting! Thank you again and I'm looking forward to contribute much more. Podstawko (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Professor Penguino (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Podstawko (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back to Wikipedia! Davest3r08 (talk) 01:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Davest3r08! Podstawko (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

unable to upload image on my article

hi, I am new to Wikipedia recently upload an article and submit for the review but I was unable to upload any image in it.. uploading image option is showing error. kindly guide me in this regards. Unaiza Asgher (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot upload images; you may go to Files for upload to work with others to help do so, but before you worry about images I would address the concerns of the reviewer of your draft. Images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until your draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Unaiza Asgher Drafting articles to our standards is not easy for newcomers and I'm not surprised it has already been declined. You should carefully read WP:YFA and, as far as any pictures are concerned note that these are usually uploaded to Wikipedia Commons (which has its own Helpdesk) and introduced into article as filenames. See Help:Pictures. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

want to create page for a company

hello my name is Dean Jones and I am from the shopping spout company. Shopping spout is US based company which are providing free coupon codes and promo codes for shopping lovers. I am handling this project and we have targeting top 10 countries with the same name and different TLDs. Is there any one who help me out to creating wiki page. Deanjones12 (talk) 04:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC) – spam link removed ltbdl (talk) 04:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Deanjones12: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you read the essay Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 04:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for sharing is there any thing i can add related to coupon codes website? Deanjones12 (talk) 04:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Deanjones12. It sounds like you might be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. In addition, to the information provided about, you might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. The last two are particularly important since any information you try add about your company to Wikipedia is almost certainly going to be considered a conflict of interest and also fall under Wikipedia's policy on paid editing. If after reading those pages, you still feel Wikipedia should have an article about your company, feel free to come back to the Teahouse and ask additional questions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you so much i have read all the articles which you shared with me. I have seen Retail me not page on Wikipedia retail me not are providing same services which my company are providing so that's why i am here to ask why i can't add if retail me not exist any specific reason? Deanjones12 (talk) 04:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

????? ltbdl (talk) 04:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

That question should have been answered by Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which states A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. If such sources exist for the company you work for (like they do for Retailmenot - scroll down to the bottom of that article for the list), an article is acceptable. However, if such sources do not exist, an article may not be included. Tollens (talk) 05:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

ok some of sources is mentioned but all of those is publications of retail me not Deanjones12 (talk) 05:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Only one of the 23 sources listed is published by Retailmenot. Tollens (talk) 05:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

yes i have read but can you suggest me how i can add any similar site which is related to retailmenot? Deanjones12 (talk) 05:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't to that page, as has already been made clear. You also can't at all unless the site meets the notability criteria that have already been explained. Tollens (talk) 05:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

ok Deanjones12 (talk) 05:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Deanjones12 Would recommend reading WP:COI, WP:N, and as @GoingBatty suggested, WP:BOSS. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Would also recommend reading WP:SIGCOV. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Davest3r08: OP blocked indef as an advertising-only account. Tollens (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens I just read the original post. They were going to get blocked one way or another anyways. Davest3r08 (talk) 18:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Process of removing Templates?

Hello!

While I know the process for removing templates like AfD are usually talk page discussions, or removing maintenance templates tends to be a best judgement - what is the process for removing more intense templates like Undisclosed Paid?

An example: I'd like to fix any of the issues with the Cloud Native Computing Foundation article, since it has had an Undisclosed Paid template since 2020. I'm not affiliated with CNCF nor have I ever contributed to CNCF's projects but I think open source work is important (and so is having accurate, unbiased Wiki articles). However, if I do spend time contributing to cleaning up the article and making sure it is more NPOV do I need to open discussion on the talk page for the Undisclosed Paid template to be removed?

No worries if there isn't concrete guidelines on this sort of thing. Just genuinely curious. Thanks! Lightcrowd (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lightcrowd. You should try to analyze the article history, identify the likely undisclosed paid editors, and take a careful look at their contributions. Remove any promotional content and remove sources that are not reliable, along with content referencd to such sources unless you can find better ones. I think posting on the article talk page is a good idea. Once you have allowed a few days for comments, go ahead and remove the tag if no one disagrees. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Lightcrowd (talk) 09:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

PDX5354 is the creator of the article and author of nearly all prose on the current page. Their talk page says that "they have been paid by The Rust Foundation for their contributions to Wikipedia" so you'll need to go through the whole article minus the "Cilium" and "Istio" sections. Good luck, Lightcrowd! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 08:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the help. This actually helps a lot, I know it means a much larger re-write than I was hoping but at least I have a starting point! Lightcrowd (talk) 09:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lightcrowd: Just to be clear, I think Cullen328 suggested a thorough verification but not necessarily a thorough rewrite. The problem with COI editing (of which UPI is the ugliest part) is that the author might (on purpose, or unintentionally) cast the subject in a favorable light. It does not mean all output of COI editing should be thrown into the trash without thinking; you can keep the parts that are neutrally written without modifications. You might even decide to remove the tag without making a single edit to the article if you have reviewed it and are satisfied that there are no problems. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for the expansion. I'll try to review it at some point this week and determine what, if anything, needs to be changed for this to have an NPOV.

Thanks again for all of your help :) Lightcrowd (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Stuck in Sandbox! Publish button has frozen!

Hi. I have created a new article in my sandbox, Wabbity, but when I tried to save my work by pushing the Publish button, it didn't recognize my article and I couldn't save it, because the button got stuck. What do I do to make sure that my article is saved? And what do I do to move it from the sandbox to an editor?

Wabbitty (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Wabbitty: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see your draft in Draft:Sarah Boxer. You can add {{Userspace draft}} to request a review. However, you will need to add references in the proper format. Please see WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to add the references. If you haven't done so already, I recommend reading Help:Your first article for lots more helpful information. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Does vandalism once ban forever?

Does it? CalebWave (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@CalebWave Wikipedia tends to be rather forgiving of people and give them a lot of opportunities to reform their behavior. I won't say I approve of all decisions made by Wikipedia but generally you will be given second chances. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@CalebWave: However, if you do it again after being warned about it, and discussing it here, you have no excuse for further vandalism, and doing more vandalism will quickly result in your account being blocked. Consider yourself warned. This is a collaborative environment and you are expected to make constructive edits. Accounts are blocked if they are deemed to be detrimental to the Wikkpedia project. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect spelling for Wikipedia search result

When I do a search for Eva M. Mack on the Wikipedia search engine, it says "Merican Attorney" under the search result. I would add a screenshot, but the system won't let me. Starlighsky (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Starlightsky: It was in the short description template at the top of the page. I fixed it. That spelling was added by Metroick without any explanation. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 19:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Pidge (company) article help

Hello, Can someone please help me with the details that Pidge (company) 2nd nomination article was deleted with less vote plus I feel that company is notable because all the sources where reliable. I have read about WP:NCORP & WP:GNG which is generally addressed. As article is deleted, I cannot edit further. Please help whether page is eligible, I have skipped AfC process, Can I edit further for improvement by refund process or stop worrying. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 07:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @VKG1985, welcome to the Teahouse. You will need to go to WP:DRV if you want to contest the deletion. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 13:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for guidance. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 20:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

acceptance of citation of a living person biography

I am not sure if a citation for the person can be accepted such as this (kindly refer ABOUT THE AUTHOR in the supplied link). 1. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=FWCiWWeRCU4C&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=vk+nuh+born&source=bl&ots=fvY3d5HCQh&sig=ACfU3U32drJ7HTYEwO956XLtuKrZ1v8Kig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA-eXR87mBAxVQ1GEKHR1uAq04FBDoAXoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=vk%20nuh%20born&f=false

2. https://www.bagchee.com/books/BB3653/my-native-country-the-land-of-the-nagas Renilo77 (talk) 19:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Renilo77, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see the contents of the first link (Google books says I've reached the limit), so I can't tell for sure. Does it contain significant coverage of Vuh (at least three paragraphs, say) and appear to be written by an independent commentator? If so, then it may be an acceptable source for helping to establish notability. But if it is just a brief biography, then it probably comes from Vuh or his associates, and is not independent. In that case you may still be able to cite it as a primary source (see that link for the limitations on what information you may use it for) but it won't help to establish notability.

And the second link is to a book written by Vuh, so is also not independent.

What I suggest you do is:

Go through the sources you have cited in your sandbox, and for each of them, check if it meets the criteria in golden rule. If it doesn't, remove it (you can always save them in another sandbox in case you need them later).
If you have no sources that meet the criteria, and you cannot find any, then give up, as that means that Vuh does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any more time and effort you spend will be wasted.
If at least three of your sources do meet those criteria, then format them properly (see REFB).
Remove anything in your draft which is not backed up by one of these reliable sources.

Then it might be worth resubmitting the draft. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit con== Wikipedia Sandbox/Article gift - Help?

Good day, all! (This question is not about editing existing pages, and I don't seek to create a new one; I'm just looking for ideas. If the Teahouse is the wrong place for this, could someone point me in the right direction?)

I'm an avid wiki lurker, and so is one of my close friends, who I want to create a birthday card for. The card in itself would be a printed header and introduction of a Wikipedia-style page about the person.

Naturally, they don't qualify for a page, and I'm not interested in publishing one for them. Instead, I want to create an authentic-looking page with the Wikipedia visual editor. I was considering making one in my sandbox, but I obviously would rather refrain from posting their information on the internet. I've also tried hosting my own MediaWiki server, but configuring it to use Wikipedia templates and image hosting has proved a bit beyond my ability.

Does anyone have any ideas on a way I could create a private article (or close mock-up) using the Visual Editor or any other method? Thank you! NootingPenguin (talk) 21:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

A quick and dirty solution is to open any biographical Wikipedia webpage, then open a dev console in your browser (e.g. by pressing Option+Command+I in the macOS version of Safari) and edit the source of the Webpage directly. It should be updating as you type without actually changing anything on Wikipedia servers (only your cached copy of the page changes). Podstawko (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll try to do that, we'll see how well the markup works. Thanks! NootingPenguin (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Is is appropriate for the alt on an image to be the same as the caption

Is is appropriate for the alt on an image to be the same as the caption? See Anna, Illinois. Kk.urban (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

No, we don't want the alt text to duplicate the caption. If the caption is sufficiently descriptive, it's ok for the alt to be "refer to caption". See MOS:ALT for more info. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers, I don't see anywhere in that link that says "We don't want the alt text to duplicate the caption". It says that it may say "refer to caption", but, there are several examples given where the alt text is very similar to the caption, and no suggestion that these are wrong. ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. It says "The alt text is intended to be read out by screen readers just before the caption, so avoid having the same details in both." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Try to imagine being blind/having difficulty seeing - the alt is supposed to describe the image to give you an idea of what it looks like - the caption is a formal description so it could be alt=an old stone gateway in poor repair in a broken down wall: caption=entrance to the castle in 2020 - Arjayay (talk) 21:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I missed that line. Thank you. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How to move a table

I made a draft for a movie: Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) - Wikipedia and created a table that explained details of its production. How do I move the table to the right side of the page, above the first photo, like how tables for movies are on other articles? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I suggest using an infobox (presumably {{infobox film}}) instead of a wikitable. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Italicizing article titles

I'm working on a draft for a movie, so the title should be italicized. There's no option to italicize text in the title, and it also appears that you have to move your article if you want to edit its title. How do other articles italicize their titles? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1200. You may be interested in using the {{italic title}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Tenryuu is correct! You might also choose to use Template:Infobox film in the lead of your movie article, and it automatically italicizes the title. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I looked at all those links but still couldn't figure out how or where to use the template. If you could explain it to me (or do it yourself if you know how) it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again! Welcome back bro (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I added an infobox. Feel free to tweak or add to it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How to post pictures on wikipedia

I wanted to know how to post a picture on wikipedia. 98.47.101.200 (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Unregistered and new users cannot upload pictures to Wikipedia, You can request an upload at WP:FFU. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 00:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

if you register for an account, you can also upload your own (though yes, it does have to be your own, not ones you just took elsewhere from the internet, unless the author of that image put that image under a free license like these) images on Wikimedia Commons, in the case you have taken some great photos you want to use here in Wikipedia. see Commons:First steps/Uploading files for a tutorial on that over there. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I am Wabbity and I just added 40 references to an article I wrote in Drafts titled Sarah Boxer. When I tried to publish the draft, it said there was an "editing conflict" and it deleted all the references I put in. Is there any way to get those back? I won't make any more edits, of course, until I figure out how to submit changes without them getting deleted! So two questions:

Can I get my old draft back, the one with the references in it?

How do I prevent this from happening again?

Wabbitty (talk) 21:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wabbitty, and welcome to the Teahouse! An edit conflict happens when someone publishes changes to a page while you are actively editing it. When this happens, the computer doesn't know which changes to keep (yours, theirs, or some combination of both), so it asks you to pick the changes to keep yourself. It seems you likely clicked a button somewhere along the way that kept only the changes made by another editor while you were editing. Unfortunately, you cannot get the changes back, which I understand is very frustrating. Edit conflicts are fairly uncommon, but become more likely and more difficult to fix as you edit for a longer time in a single edit, so saving your changes regularly will help reduce the chance this happens again at all, as well as make it easier to resolve the conflict if it does. The help article on edit conflicts does a better job explaining how to fix an edit conflict than I'll be able to do here concisely - I'd suggest reading through it for all the details. Tollens (talk) 01:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

War edition

Dear friends,

There is a page on wikipedia where I feel a racial bias by a user, which constantly manipulates the figures and gives subjective concepts to explain some percentages that are not included in their references. What can I do to get a third party or a high ranking wikipedian to come in and settle it? Since A few months ago an endless thread was created on the Talk page of the site, where this person debated and debated without argument. Thank you Kodosbs (talk) 01:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kodosbs: Check out WP:DR for next steps on getting help to resolve the dispute. RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: White Mexicans and Talk:White Mexicans 💜 melecie talk - 01:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

AzarbaiJAAN

What is azarbaijaan? It's a milatiry name? Or any place? 175.107.225.148 (talk) 01:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Azerbaijan is a country at the border of Europe and Asia. You might consider reading the article on the country for more information. Please note that this page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia - please use a search engine next time, or the reference desk for more complicated questions. Tollens (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

RE: Notability and Financial Conflict of Interest

Hello all, I am a paid student worker at Rice University, and I've been tasked with creating Wikipedia pages, one for each member of the Rice Chemistry faculty.

I am brand new to Wiki stuff, and in the last few hours of researching what is and is not allowed on Wiki, I've come across different pages on notability and Conflict of Interest. I am seeking clarification on these issues.

1) Does being a world-class chemistry department qualify each member to have a bio on Wiki? Or does this fail to meet notability criteria?

2) I am a paid student worker creating these pages for the purpose of making the involved scholars more noticeable and searchable on the internet. Would these articles be considered promotion by a business and be disallowed thereby? Also, would articles such as these fail to be accepted because I am a paid worker for this department and a student at this school, having therefore several conflicts of interest? Chemhelprice.edu (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Each member of the department must meet WP:NACADEMIC individually. Simply being a member of a 'world-class chemistry department' is not sufficient on its own.

As a paid student worker. WP:PAID applies to you. You must complete the mandatory disclosures explained on that page, and you should use the WP:AFC process instead of creating the articles directly in the mainspace. If and when the articles to get moved to the mainspace, you should then only suggest any further changes on the article talk pages rather than continuing to edit them directly.

This isn't policy based, but on a personal note I would suggest you point whoever has asked you to do this to Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing - this project could end up backfiring. MrOllie (talk) 21:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You should probably read this as well Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. First, you must make the Terms of Use required paid editing disclosure on your userpage. Your username seems to be that of a website, if so, you will need to change it via Special:GlobalRenameRequest. I would also suggest that you read WP:BOSS and have your superiors read it too.

The chemistry department being notable would not necessarily make its staff notable, as notability is not inherited by association. You would need to show that each person is notable themselves to write articles about them. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

This username is not the name of a website as far as I'm aware. How do I put the paid editing disclosure on my user page? I thought that was something you just put on each draft you create.

(Also, I hope to make clear that I respect the intentions and values of Wiki and that's why I looked for a place to ask these questions. I was asked to do this assignment, but I will not do it if it violates the values and terms of this community.) Chemhelprice.edu (talk) 21:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Use the template {{userbox coi|article1|article2|article3}} and so on, inserting additional articles as need. Put this on your userpage. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I would add that Wikipedia has no interest in search results or getting people noticed. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

List of Rice University people includes faculity for whom articles exist. This does not guarantee that all those articles meet current Wikipedia standards for academics, but it should give you some idea of what confirms notability. I have no knowledge of Rice University, but strongly believe that some of the Chem Dept facilty do not meet the criteria of academics. David notMD (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting

I'm trying to write a page for the first time, how do I make so someone will be redirected to my page if they type in a certain word or phrase? Welcome back bro (talk) 22:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the information at WP:Redirect. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, so in the brackets of this: #REDIRECT [[target page name here]] Would I place the page I want to redirect to or the page I want to redirect from? If it's the page I want to redirect to, how do I get it to redirect from a certain word or phrase? Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: There are several examples on WP:Redirect, such as the page Colour contains #REDIRECT [[Color]], which redirects you to the article called Color. GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro I see that you are working on Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) and it may be that you are wondering how in future there could be a redirect to this from its English translation of "Glass Harmonica". This will be slightly more complicated than a simple redirect, as there is already an article at Glass harmonica. However, if I were you I wouldn't worry about that at present: concentrate on producing a decent article that meets our notability requirements at WP:NFILM. Redirects and disambiguation pages come later. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, if you think my draft is ready now I'd like to figure out the redirect situation. You were right before, I am trying to redirect to the article if someone searches "glass harmonica" Welcome back bro (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The draft was moved, this is the current version: Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika - Wikipedia Welcome back bro (talk) 02:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing Conflict

Hello! I am working for a person who needs their page updated. I am a conflict of interest and am getting confused on

1) how to declare that I am a conflict of interest

2) getting assistance in updating the page.

I have been emailing the Wikipedia volunteer account and am constantly (and very much unknowingly!!) violating guidelines in trying to request. So, I am looking for some help in mostly getting the page updated, but also declaring that I am a conflict of interest in requesting.

Thank you for your time! Fahroisin (talk) 03:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Follow WP:PAID .You must disclose your conflict of interest, and request changes on the article's talk page rather than making them yourself. Meters (talk) 04:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:EDITREQ for how to request edits once you have disclosed your conflict of interest. Meters (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Advert in image attribution

I notice that the image on http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Iliotibial_band_syndrome contains an advert for a shop by way of “attribution”. Is this allowed ? 2A02:C7C:DE89:3600:ADF8:5299:3B32:1869 (talk) 07:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The attribution requirement is not a problem per se. The problem is that the image has an embedded logo, sometimes called a watermark. That is contrary to policy unless the image is notable itself and the logo is a significant aspect of the notability of the image. That does not seem to be the case here. In my opinion, the image should be cropped to remove the logo, unless there are very good reasons to the contrary. You can do it yourself if you are a moderately skilled image editor. Otherwise, you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop. Cullen328 (talk) 07:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Alternativley, bin it and use this free image. File:Iliotibial band syndrome-en.svg - X201 (talk) 07:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

binned. the original image only allows reuse if you re-use the image with the BodyHeal.com.au logo on your website or any online publication as long as the proper creditation is given to BodyHeal.com.au. which probably means it should be deleted? ltbdl (talk) 08:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Iliotibial Band Syndrome.jpg. MKFI (talk) 08:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Participants addition page on WikiProject

Hi, I hope you are doing well. I need help adding code to a page on a WikiProject I manage. In simple terms, I want to add a 'Participants self-adding entry box' to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chenab Valley/Members, similar to what many other drives and projects have, as shown in this example. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 02:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheChunky; Hi, check WP:MMS#Requesting a mailing. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@RotciW Thanks for responding, but my request is not about mailing or mass messages! I am talking about the addition of entry box for users who wish to participate in this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 03:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Opps! Misread it. Sorry! --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Made some changes to the userbox, apparently works. Sorry for the inconveniences! --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 04:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No issues, Thanks for that. Waiting for response from an expert for my request above. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 04:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @TheChunky! I believe that the above page Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/October 2023/Participants is generated specifically as a mailing list (which the mass mailer bot can easily scan to send mail to everyone) and can't really be made by anyone except those who have the right to make mailing lists (see Help:Extension:MassMessage for more about this). in my opinion I don't think a fancy self-adding entry box is really needed, a simple list of members like most other wikiprojects (such as ones for Computer science, Hong Kong, or the Typo Team) would probably suffice just as well. happy editing 💜 melecie talk - 07:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. If you could check out this WikiProject and make some improvements to what looks odd there, I would appreciate it. Thanks again. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 07:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheChunky, I have requested a shell move at RM/TR. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 08:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer Thank you. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 08:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Richardo Keens-Douglas

Hello - I would like to submit an article about children's author/playwright Richardo Keens-Douglas. Would you consider him notable enough for Wikipedia? 74.117.87.160 (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I recommend you read WP:NOTABILITY. --Stewpot (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 00:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. To clarify Stewpot's answer: I don't think they are suggesting that Keens-Douglas is or isn't notable, rather than it's your job as the person who wants to write the article to determine whether they meet the criteria.

If you read the policy, and think you've found suitable sources, but you're not sure, then I suggest you come back here with your three best sources, and somebody will probably be willing to look at them and tell you if they think they're enough. (Remember that notability, in Wikipedia's sense, is all about sources, not about what the subject is or has done). ColinFine (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to break it down for me. Much appreciated. 74.117.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I recommend you read WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. From a single Google search, there seems to be 9 results for media coverage, and they seem to be from mostly unreliable sources, thus making coverage of this person ineligible for a WP article. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! 74.117.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Davest3r08 (talk) 10:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Link created now working, but previous link to same site are working

I created a link in the infobox of this site. Existing links work, one is the body of the article. However, the infobox link directs to a site saying the linked article doesn't exist. The spelling is the same, though: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Eva_M._Mack The link for this person Hugh Ellwood MacBeth, Sr. Starlighsky (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Done Theroadislong (talk) 11:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! This is fascinating. How did you fix it?

Is it known why is wasn't working? Starlighsky (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: Here is the correction that Theroadislong made. Titles of Wikipedia articles are case-sensitive after the first letter. Deor (talk) 12:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand now, thanks! Starlighsky (talk) 12:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Title text in reference , beginners help please !

Hello , I am so in over my head here. I got annoyed that something were missing on a categories page and discovered that to add something I had to add a page to refer to. So I decided to do that (create a new page) by copying code from an existing page and and edit that by inserting and replacing with my own text instead (editing existing code using my own text usually works for me here). I think that my 'creation' is sort of OK - ugly with a lot of warts of course - but I simply can not find out how to get the text of the demanded reference links to display left of links !

I am trying this format :

 ref name="My text">url=https://mylink.org/about</ref

(I removed the starting < and ending > to make code show here )(could not find out either how to place code here and both be visible and at same time not have it parsed)

But "My text" simply does not show in reference section next to "mylink" (which do show !) instead it shows

url=Mylink.org/about

I can easily get the text to display by just filling in :

<! My text : https://mylink.org/about >

(with out the starting <! and ending >)

But then it doesn't show as being part of the reference list How do I get the text to show in the reference section next to the link ? The help pages is of absolutely no help at all (I will not list all help pages not of help here !) TeslaTruck (talk) 12:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The correct format is <ref name="myref">[https://mylink.org/about My text]</ref>, which displays like this.^[1] The name="myref" part gives the reference an identifier so it can be re-used again later in the page and is not visible on the page itself. You might consider using the Visual Editor, though, which gives you the ability to format references without using code. – Joe (talk) 13:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your very kind assistance which I really appreciate.

I had a really hard time getting to understand the placing of the text after the link and it only being separated by a space character. I even ended up copying your link directly from your post into the editing window and then it still took me some time to understand it. So fair to say that I would most likely not have been able to get it done without your help ! Thank you very much !

By the way , could you please refer me to the help page showing how to put code into posts like yours to show it as comment text like you did with no parsing ?

P.S. , Sorry , for asking , I just found out that user Michael placed the answer to that question below her. Thank you ! TeslaTruck (talk) 13:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

References

^ My text

You are using what are called WP:NAMED references. The name "My text" is not part of the citation but a way of re-using the reference later. We have better ways of citing web sources, using the {{cite web}} template. To show text on Talk Pages that you don't want to be rendered, it can be surrounded by nowiki and /nowiki tags, possibly with code tags as well, so your original example would be <ref name="My text">url=https://mylink.org/about</ref>. (See source code for how I did that) Actually, to create a weblink, you can just place it within a single bracket: like this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Ooops , sorry , had not seen that you already placed the reference here !

Thank you so much for all your trouble ! :-) TeslaTruck (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

PS. Look at how I did this: <ref name=blah>https://foo.bar</ref> - UtherSRG (talk) 14:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much ! TeslaTruck (talk) 14:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Figure tags.

I need to revise the tag of a photograph I submitted to Wikimedia Commons. I need to change the tag to one that records a file (photo of a pre-1923 document) for which I acquired permission to use from the owner. I also learned that the photo has no copyright involved. Which tag is this? Many thanks.Tfhentz (talk) 22:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tfhentz. A document first published before 1923 is in the public domain, as are all things published over 95 years ago. Not knowing the details of whether the document was actually published or just stored for 100 plus years, I suggest that you ask at the Commons Help Desk, providing more details. Cullen328 (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thanks for your kind response. The document is a 1776-dated officer commission for a Revolutionary War soldier that has been in an archive for 100+ years. The archive has just given me permission to use it "as you wish." There are no copyrights involved, and it has never been published. Any ideas on which tag to use? (I just can't find the list of the various tags that I once saw; otherwise I wouldn't bother you.) Thanks! Tfhentz (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tfhentz: I think you are looking for c:Template:PD-US-unpublished but asking at c:Commons:Help_desk may be better. RudolfRed (talk) 23:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, the work was created before 1903, so {{PD-US-unpublished}} applies. I am assuming it is a faithful reproduction of the document with no creativity involved, in which case the WMF’s position is that the reproduction process creates no copyright on its own. (I could not find the link to the legal guideline that says it, but it is for instance in the text of {{PD-art}}.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mukesh Chhabra

Hello all wikipedians, before some days im extended and added reliable sources in Draft:Mukesh Chhabra and moved to Article space but User:Anachronist remove it back to draft space and User:Jamiebuba asked me that Do You Have Any Paid Connection with Subject? And he added "Undisclosed paid" on draft.I'm a Indian wikipedians and Draft:Mukesh Chhabra is well known Casting Director in India. Thats why I'm working on Draft:Mukesh Chhabra. Please let me know If you have any objection, I will stop working on this Draft:Mukesh Chhabra subject.Rajmama (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't see reason to assume paid editing based on the content of the article, which is sourced to numerous secondary sources. The article does not appear overly promotional. It does need some grammar and syntax cleanup, but that appears to be the worst problem. Once that's fixed, I don't see a reason to exclude the draft from article space. Pecopteris (talk) 09:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama and @Pecopteris, As cited by @Anachronist the draft was moved by an inexperienced editor after it was was submitted previously and declined in draft. Note that the draft was initially submitted by @Creation07, though the subject maybe notable after edits were done by Rajmama but should still should have been resubmitted through AFC or at least moved by an experienced editor.

@Rajmama Again, do you have any COI with the subject? I had asked this on your talk page and you never responded to the question directly. Jamiebuba (talk) 10:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No i don't have any COI with the subject and im already replied you on my talk page. Again Draft:Mukesh Chhabra is an well know Casting Director in India. Thats why I am extended this draft and added reliable sources and after that moved to Article Space.Rajmama (talk) 10:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama I'm an enthusiastic copy editor, let me know if you'd like me to do an edit on the draft for grammar and readability! I checked it out but was not sure if it would be polite to make changes to someone else's article draft. (Please "ping" me using @Chiselinc or post on my talk page to confirm, as I might not see otherwise. Also, the New Page Review comment on the draft's talk page pointed out that all the sources are paid or promotional sites, requesting that you find other sources to add- I don't know much about that side of editing yet, but thought I'd bring it to your attention here in case you had missed it! Cheers, Chiselinccc (talk) 11:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chiselinccc thank you for bring your attention here but now i don't want to work on this Draft:Mukesh Chhabra, because i don't want to some one said me that i'm paid contributor. thank you once again. Rajmama (talk) 12:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama well, that's your prerogative. Anyone asking about a conflict of interest is protecting the encyclopedia from paid editing, which is a rampant concern. If you take that personally, then you should probably find another website to contribute to, as protecting the encyclopedia is more important than your feeling offended. Good luck! Chiselinccc (talk) 12:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chiselinccc I did not say that I will not contribute to Wikipedia, but at the moment I do not want to contribute on this subject Draft:Mukesh Chhabra. Rajmama (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama: Every sentence you have written above has incorrect grammar, spelling, or punctuation. Every sentence. The same was true for text you added to the draft. If you write that way in articles, then you'll be creating more work for others because other people will have to spend time cleaning up after you. In talk pages, we can figure out what you're saying. But the prose in articles needs to be more polished and professional. If English isn't your native language, then try running your text through a grammar checker before posting it.

@Chiselinccc: I have no objection to moving it back to article space after it's cleaned up for readability and formatted correctly. An experienced reviewer wouldn't have approved it in the state it was in. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist: thanks, I'm very new and didn't want to be too BITEy on the Teahouse page, but I was very frustrated by this person's childish response and have no interest in editing their mess after that display of attitude. I took the liberty of checking and indeed, they've already put a lot of incomprehensible text directly into article space; I quietly fixed it all, but is there a way to bring this to someone's attention so that they have to go through AFC and can't just move nonsensical articles directly into the 'pedia?

It's not technically vandalism but with the amount of editing I had to do per line of text, it adds up to the same result. Thanks in advance if you have any advice regarding folks who don't understand they're not contributing effectively! Now that I'm lurking Teahouse, I'm seeing a LOT more of that than I expected, and don't know if there are preventative measures for people who keep creating unsalvageable articles 😭Chiselinccc (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chiselinccc: With enough reviewers patrolling new pages, articles like this would be put back into draft space more efficiently, but there's a huge backlog now.

We do want to encourage bold edits, and give people the opportunity to learn from mistakes. In this case Rajmama is editing in good faith but needs to work harder to avoid creating needless work for others to clean up. With regard to that particular draft, I have concerns about the comment left by one reviewer on the talk page, about the sources being sponsored. Those would need to be eliminated. The subject likely passes notability criteria for inclusion, but not with sponsored sources.

New editors who aren't yet confirmed are required to go through AFC to create anything, but once you have 4 days and 10 edits under your belt, anything goes. I think the autoconfirmed status is too low of a bar to allow article creation directly in article space (or moving to article space from draft space). Raising that bar would require community discussion, probably at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting a search to an article

I only need one more thing for my draft: Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika before I submit it for review. I'd like for someone to be redirected to the article if they search "Glass Harmonica" (the English translation of the title). If any of you know how to do that and are able to help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 12:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is certainly possible to create such a redirect, but I wouldn't worry about that until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia, then you can create plausible redirects to it. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro I told you in an earlier thread at the Teahouse that it will be a little more complicated than a redirect, because we already have an article Glass harmonica. You should also consider whether the title of your article should be the same as its Wikidata item, which is in English as "The Glass Harmonica". Then the Russian title would be the redirect here. However, as 331dot wrote, the draft need to be accepted first. Its plot section is still too long and you should not have any external links within the main text: they can be placed in an "External links" section at the very foot of the article. (See WP:ELPOINTS). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I changed the title of the article to The Glass Harmonica and changed mentions of the title in the text accordingly. I also reduced the length of the plot summary and placed the external links in their own section. Should the redirect work with the original Russian title? Thanks again! Welcome back bro (talk) 16:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the Russian title will redirect correctly, just as the redirect from that draft name does right now (i.e. if you click on the link in the first line of your thread here). Others have commented that the word (film) needs to be in the title, since there is also a novel of that name: see Glass harmonica (disambiguation). One minor point: your external links section should come after the references, in line with our manual of style. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Ask a question

I've WP:COI with one Proposed to delete article, created long back. Creator is unknown to me. I want to give reliable citations in that page. Should I? http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ramakrishna_Mission_Boys%27_Home_High_School,_Rahara Supriyomj16022008 (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Supriyomj16022008! A high school will significant history like this will generally be notable, so if you have sources, feel free to add them and contest the deletion by removing the tag. I wouldn't consider being a student or alum of the school too much of a COI (if you're an employee of the school, that's moreso). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok fine but I'm not a student, not a alumnus. This school is under one organisation. I am the member of that org but in noway directly involved with that school. Supriyomj16022008 (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

You do have COI if you represent the org. I would advise that you use the edit request wizard by clicking here to request for the changes/updates that you would like to make on the relevant article. Jeraxmoira (talk) 16:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. When I got first reply, immediately I started. I already edited declare WP:COI. But if you want to see my article page that is http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ramakrishna_Mission_Brahmananda_College_of_Education If you want you can do. It is my heartiest request. Thank you. Supriyomj16022008 (talk) 17:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Confusing, because there is an AfD for the high school article and an unsubmitted draft (without references) for a college - both identified as Ramakrishna Mission. David notMD (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The article was previously PRODed. I reverted to the PROD tag, and the editor who added it just opened an AfD. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Pictures from Getty Images

Hello,

does anybody have any experience with using pictures from Getty Images? Getty Images

Is this an easier way to obtain a picture of an actress? I am currently working on the draft of an actress and in Getty Images, there are several nice pictures of hers.

Thanks in advance! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you cannot use Getty Images as a source for images. See WP:GETTY. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira Thank you! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

One slim chance is that Getty and similar agencies have been known to sell images that are actually in the public domain. You could use those. However, if we're talking about a contemporary actress, it's unlikely that'll be the case. – Joe (talk) 12:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

A workaround that I have used (hopefully not violating any WP rules) is simply to put such non-free images, or groups of same from a single source, in under "external links", see my example treatment at Shirburn_Castle#External_links. Of course they will not appear in the page, but persons can then go visit them if of interest. Maybe this helps. Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

list order of the list

in lists of people or works like the one in the disambiguation page for that guy from ultrakill, should the subjects be ordered in alphabetic, chronologic or whatever order an editor feels like using?

from what i saw, it seems it's in a different order in nearly every other article, when there's an order in the first place, so it's probably not a big deal anyway cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cog-san, I feel this page covers guidelines for disambiguations well: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Organizing_disambiguation_pages_by_subject_area. Cheers, Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

and that says "do it in alphabetic order lol"

thanks cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

What should we do about vandals?

General question here, not asking about any page in particular. 67.198.0.18 (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

This is detailed out at Wikipedia:Vandalism § How to respond to vandalism, however, the basic workflow is that you undo the vandalism, place a warning on the offender's talkpage and report them to WP:AIV if repeated warnings don't cause them to stop. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Roblox Rooms

Can you add A Roblox Rooms page? TroopGlitch29 (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to ask. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Help for improving article

Draft:Shine Shetty for this article. How can I add good and reliable resources? Arumobileworld (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Pinging the declining reviewer, Jamiebuba. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 11:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not the reviewer, but I'll have a go at giving advice. In order for there to be a Wikipedia page about an actor, they need to have passed the WP:NACTOR criteria. However most of your sources are The Times of India, which is generally regarded as an unreliable source for entertainment news articles, see WP:TOI. I would want to see significant coverage of Shine Shetty in reliable, independent (not interviews or press releases) sources. Qcne (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

After having a look, 1. I determined that the subject has only played minor roles in most of the movies he has been on. Apart from him winning the Bigg Boss Kannada season 7 there sourcing for the article is poor. He maybe notable but again the sourcing is a problem.

2. The sources used are generally unreliable as cited by another editor above. Jamiebuba (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

its ok 181.177.218.120 (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Paraphrasing the sentence

If I put information from a book using Google Books do I need to paraphrase the sentence because of potential copyright issues? Or can I just copy and paste the sentence? Aredoros87 (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Aredoros87, and welcome to the Teahouse! It really depends on what you're doing - if the exact wording is important, you can quote the book, placing the short snippet you need in quotation marks. Typically this is only used for controversial statements from a person, or when the exact wording is critical for a reader's understanding (which is not the case most of the time). In all other cases, yes, you should paraphrase. Tollens (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! Aredoros87 (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Aredoros87. In general you need to paraphrase. Unless the book is very old, it is almost certainly in copyright, and you may not copy it except as a quotation (see the next paragraph). Even if it is public domain or freely licensed, so you may legally copy it, it is usually a better idea to paraphrase it.

A limited amount of direct quotation is allowed: you must make it clear that it is a quotation and where from, and have a good rationale for quoting. ColinFine (talk) 20:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for an answer!

How do we classify the book as "very old"? I remember I read somewhere that the limit is 70 years. But It was about the pictures. Aredoros87 (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

It's more complicated than it should be, really. The easiest thing to do is assume any work published in 1928 or later is still under copyright. For a guide on the full rules related to when copyright on a work lapses, you could have a look through WP:Public domain. Tollens (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for explanation Aredoros87 (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Note that the details of copyright vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

An article I created was declined, and I don't really know why.

All I have seen is "Stuff you should have in an article". I'm new at this, so I probably shouldn't have tried making a completely new article, but I would still like feedback on what my article needs. I was making an article on the book Obsidio by Amie Kaufman. MonoDev (talk) 19:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello MonoDev and welcome to the Teahouse.

The draft has no independent references about the book. To show a book's notability, you need more than a pointer to the book or its publisher. This role is often served by independent, professional reviews of the book. There's probably more about this at WP:NBOOK. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, I'll just stay out of the professional ways, and I think I'll just settle for copyediting for now. I don't think I would be good for much more anyways lol MonoDev (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MonoDev, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that you have made one of the classic beginner's mistakes, by writing^{missing words added in edit} Draft:Obsidio (Book) BACKWARDS.

A Wikipedia article should be based almost entirely on what independent reliable sources have published about the subject: for a book, that usually means serious, in-depth reviews, published by major newspapers or journals.

I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making (small at first) improvements to existing articles, before they read your first article and try their hand at a new article. ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that. Rushing and making an entirely new article was definitely not the smartest move. I'm going to try to be much more active as a Wikipedia member, so I hope there will be a day when I am competent enough. So I'll take your advice and just make small improvements to articles. Cheers! MonoDev (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello MonoDev. I’m sorry your draft got declined. As ColinFine advised reading Help:Your first article is a good way to learn guidelines. If a draft is not worked on for six months it will be deleted, so you may want to cut and paste your draft into an offline word file. Over time you could do more research, see if you can find a good source that states the book won an award, and perhaps find one or more reliable book reviews. Reliable means something from a magazine or website that has an editor overseeing what is being published, as apposed to sites that allows people to add data without using any references to show where the info came from.

If you find some good references you will have your original draft saved, which will be a good place to start to improve your article. Best wishes on future Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Making an article

Hello, I am interested in making an article. I wrote one and published it right after, following all Wikipedia guidelines. But they still took it down, on suspicion that it had ties to another article that was taken down years ago. After talking to the person who deleted it, they just told me I should redraft it. Is there anything I missed before that led to my article being deleted? The person who deleted it never gave a concrete reason why it was deleted Aescamilla45 (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aescamilla45, it looks like the article was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joanne Kwong. Are you sure you spoke to the same person who deleted it? That sounds like odd advice to make on their part. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The criteria for Speedy deletion was G4, meaning that your draft was identical or near-identical to the article that had been deleted in 2021, recreated in August 2023 and deleted again. Thus, a suspicion that you had a connection to the old versions (both deleted). David notMD (talk) 17:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Aescamilla45. Deb did not "tell you I should redraft it": she said I can see a case for re-drafting it, which is not the same.

I cannot see your deleted version, but it was deleted on two grounds: (A7: No credible indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events): G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion). This is not "because it has ties to" a previously deleted article, but because it is substantially the same as that deleted article, and also because it does not appear to address the fundamental, inescapable reason for the first deletion: that sources did not exist to establish that Kwong meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

If you want to try again, you should read your first article, and follow (and not circumvent) WP:AFC. In any case, you should start by finding at least three rock-solid sources each of which meets all the criteria in golden rule - they are reliably published, wholly independent of Kwong (not written, published, or commissioned by her or her associates, and not based on interviews or press releases), and contain substantial coverage of her.

If you cannot find three such sources, then you will know that there is no point in spending any more time on this, and you should turn to something else. If you can, then you should write your draft based entirely on what those sources say, not on what Kwong says or what you know. ColinFine (talk) 17:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: @ColinFine: probbably meant to link to WP:SIGCOV, WP:substantial coverage is a red link Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, this was actually very helpful. It made me look at my article to see if I actually followed these rules, like the golden rule for example. And yes, I have more than 3 rock-solid sources following the golden rule. All independent of her, reliably published and discussing her in detail instead of just briefly mentioning her in some old record for example. I understand that because it has been deleted its difficult to decide whether what I wrote was in fact following this rule. But looking back I also took note of the sources and the date they were published. I understand that this old Wikipedia article written about her was published in 2021. But most of my sources were published after 2021. That's why I'm having trouble understanding what the reasons were, In one of these articles she is named "100 Asian and Pacific Islander's (API) with the most impact in their industries. This alone should show that there is credible importance to her. Yes, It was published in 2021, but being put in a list with names such as Kamala Harris and Anderson Paak is a huge accomplishment and deserves to be mentioned.

Again, since you couldn't find my article its understandable that you would think there must be some degree of bias towards her or that I wrote this with someone telling me what to write. The only reason I'm insistent on this is because it seems unjust on why it was taken down. I feel like just with what I've written here should give an idea of my article being not only very credible and following this golden rule, but that it was unfairly taken down just because there was another biographical article written years ago. If anything it's motivating me more to make sure it gets published.

I know I can re-draft it, but is there any way I can show it to other volunteers here in Wikipedia so that they can double check it? Just so that I don't have to go through this again? I think there was a suggestion I saw before publishing the article where I can pay others to check, but i prefer not doing that. Thank you again for the response this really was insightful. Aescamilla45 (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Aescamilla45, there's no method whereby you can pay Wikipedia volunteers to check your draft. Any place you saw making such a suggestion is attempting to scam you.

Rather than rewrite your draft right away, you could always post your three best sources for a quick source review. Experienced editors can then verify that they do indeed establish the notability of your subject. Folly Mox (talk) 23:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia/Wikimedia web server IP addresses

I've been using a VPN for the past few months but constantly have the problem of having to add a new IP address to the exclusion list for split tunnelling in my VPN app each time I want to make an edit. A few times I have ended up turning off the VPN or even just giving up with it when it hasn't worked. Where can I find the full list of IP addresses used by Wikipedia and its sister projects? Thanks UaMaol (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The closest I've found with a quick search is wikitech:IP and AS allocations#Public IPs, listing several partially rather large IP ranges. I am not aware of how many thereof are used for web traffic. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: I had a feeling that there might be a lot but I entered the listed public IPv4 addresses including CIDR notation and it seems to be working now. Thanks for your help! :) UaMaol (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Review/Advising

Is there any way to receive critique or advice in terms of the revisions that we make so that we may improve as editors? I have made a few minor edits thus far and am worried about making larger ones without receiving critiques on the edits I have previously made. GranolaCube (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

GranolaCube, don't worry, just go ahead and edit without fear. BE BOLD is a key feature of Wikipedia, and you won't break anything by trying. At worst, some other editor will undo what you did, but that is very much part of the way things work around here. That said, if you want advice about a specific topic, like, say, Red Sea, then you should ask at its "Talk page", namely, Talk:Red Sea. If you want general help with stuff, like how to make links to another article, or when to use italics, and stuff like that, then this is the perfect place for that kind of question. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 23:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi and what do I do next if my edits are reverted?

Hi everyone! I was excited to work on an entry, adding what I thought was significant, useful information, but the work I did reverted. There are a couple possible reasons, but...now what? I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to approach this in different ways, guessing about how I can improve enough to be kept live. Is there a person I can talk to who is reverting the stuff, so I can know how to change it so that it will be included? Thanks! Beverly East (talk) 01:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beverly East:. Read Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Basically, go to the article talk page and start a discussion there to support what you want to add. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beverly East: You don't seem to be aware that Wikipedia isn't a web directory or collection of links. It's an encyclopedia. All you added was a big list of external links. A web directory has no encyclopedic value. That's why your contribution was removed. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I've seen many lists of TV episodes, lists of films, albums, etc. on wikipedia. I thought this would constitute that sort of list. If I have some other way to add with narrative, I'll try to do that in the future. Beverly East (talk) 23:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Beverly East. For future reference, you can check a page's history to see a record of all the edits made to the page. In many cases, users leave edit summaries explaining why they made their edits, and these edit summaries often contain blue links to relevant Wikipedia policy or guideline pages that further explain what the problem was. In this case, the edit was reverted for not being in accordance with WP:NOTDIRECTORY as explained above by Anachronist. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. There is an existing bulleted list on that page, and I'm guessing that the reason that list is allowed is because each bullet has a sentence or two and not just a link. I've now read WP:NOTDIRECTORY and the definitions of the many kinds of lists that are allowed. Thank you to you both for helping me understand. Beverly East (talk) 23:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Beverly East, another factor is that external links do not belong in the body of an article. References belong there instead. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you! Beverly East (talk) 00:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Sources articles film/movies

Hello,

I need a little help. So I would like someone to tell me which of the websites listed below can be considered good sources. To add content to movie articles.

https://www.metacritic.com/

https://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/search/simple

https://www.allmovie.com/

https://letterboxd.com/

https://aficatalog.afi.com/

https://www.moviefone.com/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/

thanks a lot Matirosta (talk) 11:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

... and also the reasons why a website is or is not considered a good source, please.

Bernhard.rulla (talk) 12:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Some of those are discussed at Wikipedia:Review aggregators. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Matirosta:, the best place to start is often the WP:Reliable sources noticeboard, and in particular, the table at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. For example, Metacritic is listed as "generally reliable" at WP:RSP#Metacritic; and Allmovie is evaluated here. You can look for the other ones in the table there. Mathglot (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

OK for site's URL to point to Wikipedia article?

An acquaintance has a Wikipedia article that was written about him. He would like for his website's URL to link directly to the Wikipedia article. Is that permitted? He asked me for advice. I found documentation which says that it is, but what I found was someone's essay and not an official policy. Guidance would be appreciated. Thank you. – Kekki1978 ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 10:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia welcomes incoming links, but that is a strange request as he will have no control over the content and when you say the URL will link directly such a link implies he is using Wikipedia to host his own website, which is not permitted. If he simply includes a link to Wikipedia on his website, that is fine. What is the name of the article? Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kekki1978 I assume he is linking from his own website hosted elsewhere: that website may even be mentioned in the article here about him. Linking back is fine but note that if he chooses to copy any material to re-use it on his website, he should read WP:REUSE which has a policy about the licensing of Wikipedia content. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually I understood that person would like to redirect his own website address to a Wikipedia page, so that typing www.examplepersondomain.com to a browser will instead take you to Example. Obviously we can't prevent that since the redirect is outside Wikipedia but as Shantavira says it is somewhat risky, since the Wikipedia page could change at anytime.

@Kekki1978: could you clarify what your friend is planning to do, since several of us have a different idea of what your question means? MKFI (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I'm the odd one out here but the original poster's request seemed pretty unambiguous to me. His acquaintance wants some website (say www.acquaintance.com) to either link or redirect to the Wikipedia article about that acquaintance (en.wiki.x.io/wiki/that_acquaintance_of_his). If that's the case, there's nothing wrong with either of these, and there's nothing Wikipedia can do to prevent either of these, either. Whether that's a good idea is a different question which the acquaintance should answer themselves considering the lack of control they would have over their own bio. Podstawko (talk) 11:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses. My acquaintance does not want Wikipedia to host his own website. He has a website hosted elsewhere and, quoting above, "wants to redirect his own website address to a Wikipedia page, so that typing www.examplepersondomain.com in a browser will instead take you to" [ [ Wikipedia page ] ]. I will let them know that such a thing is permitted. That is a good point that the Wikipedia's article's contents may change at any time. I will bring that risk to their attention. Thank you all for fielding the question. – Kekki1978 ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 12:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Kekki1978, Podstawko is correct, there's nothing wrong with doing this. Check with the web host provider about how to set up an HTTP 301 permanent redirect. Mathglot (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Help on A draft that got rejected declined.

I meant declined, not rejected.

The declined draft is Draft:Krew (Youtube group).

The reason given was:

"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

I do not know if they mean I don't have enough sources to prove notability, if there is information that needs to be sourced but isn't, if some of my sources aren't reliable, or something else. The phrasing is a bit ambiguous to me.

Also, the link given before is for the current version. I added a few new sources in a "Further Reading" section, made a few small edits, and added another reference. EDIT: moved one of the sources out of the "Further reading" section to use as an actual refference.

Link to the rejected version

If this was a case of not having enough references to prove notability, this may have fixed the issue, but not for the other cases.

Noticed another draft, not mine, had the following in addition to what I had on my draft:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

Now I can tell this isn't a notability issue, but I still don't know if they mean I have unsourced information, or if some of my sources are unreliable, or both. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) edited 18:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC) edited 01:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Your draft was declined NOT rejected, rejected would mean that it would not be considered again. Theroadislong (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Am I allowed to change the title to say "declined" or would that mess things up? AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Changing the draft title to reflect that it was declined (i.e. moving it) is definitely not recommended. The title of an article, draft, etc., acts as a unique identifier for that page, and moving it will just result in more cleanup if it gets accepted or rejected. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean the draft. I mean this post in the teahouse. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

AKFkrewfamKF1, yes, you can do that. I've done it for you, according to the principles of WP:REDACT, which was probably overkill but allowed me to link and share that guideline for you, which may help in the future. Mathglot (talk) 23:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

how to post a photo that is open for use that I don't own and use of twitter as an external link

Hi, need advice on using a photo that the owner says is open for use, but I don't feel right saying it is mine, that I own it. It is of Timothy Snyder and Olena Zalenska> and it was posted on the website for the Yalta European Strategy Conference. I could not figure out the instructions for uploading it so some other place on Wikipedia or elsewhere, but do know how to upload it from my own environment to Wikipedia, if I say I "own" it, which I do not, but I have permission. Please advise. https://yes-ukraine.org/en/photo-and-video/video/yes-war-room-maybutnye-virishuyetsya-v-ukrayini-den-2/ztsilyuyemo-ukrayinu-reabilitatsiya-ta-psihichne-zdorovya-olena-zelenska-timoti-snayder ALSO: I believe this proposed text meets the exceptional standards for allowing an X "tweet" as an external link. Please advise Olena Zelenska, First Lady of Ukraine, expressed her pleasure at a second meeting with Snyder in September of 2023 to discuss the mental health of Ukrainians, mutual understanding and happiness of people around the world.Olena Zelenska on X, September 10, 2023 LBDon (talk) 00:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC) LBDon (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@lbdon:

for your first question.

usually, all photos and videos are under copyright, and it also seems to be the case here.

know that copyrighted works can be uploaded, but only under very strict criteria. see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria § Policy.

your second question:

ok, looking at the tweet you linked on your talk page, it's useless as an external link. if you want to cite it, we have {{cite tweet}}.

understand that external links should contain neutral and accurate material relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article. ltbdl (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to add to the above that just because you yourself have permission to use the image doesn't mean you can upload it to Wikipedia, unless you also hold the copyright of the image, as uploading images to Wikipedia usually requires that image to be licensed under a free license (with the exception being images under fair use, which as stated above has very strict criteria). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirection links

Hello Teahouse,

I was wondering how you set up a redirect link when providing an edit summary. If there's some kind of command that lets you click on the link or something. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 14:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheAlienMan2002, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't understand what you mean about "redirection". You can put a WP:Wikilink in an edit summary just as you can in an article or other page, and it will show up in a history or list of contributions as a link. Does that answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 14:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi TheAlienMan2002, do you mean a redirect? Those summaries are provided automatically. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC) ]

Hi TheAlienMan2002, also a bit confused, but if you mean adding a wikilink to your edit summary, so that a term in your summary can be clicked when viewing your edit summary in the history of the page, yes, you can do that. With rare exceptions, you do that the same way as you do when adding a wikilink to an article, that is, you enclose it in double brackets (optionally, piping the link as well). If you look at the edit history of this page, and find my edit summary (look for the phrase, "how to wikilink a term in the edit summary") you will see an example of it in use. Mathglot (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh I forgot you use the [[ to do a redirect link. Thanks for the speedy response. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

TheAlienMan2002, For future reference, you should get used to calling that a "wikilink" (or, just plain: "link"), and not a ~~redirect link~~, as the term "redirect" has a special meaning at Wikipedia, and if you use that term, people are going to get confused, as you can see. Mathglot (talk) 02:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of GiFi

I had proposed this article for deletion a few days ago and the creator dePRODed it without discussion on the project's talk page or on the creator's talk page. What do I do? Excellenc1 (talk) 20:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

You can nominate it for deletion. Ruslik_Zero 20:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Excellenc1, and welcome to the Teahouse! Proposed deletion tags are allowed to be removed without discussion, even by the creator of an article - typically they should only be used for uncontroversial deletions where you believe nobody at all would object. You can open a discussion at articles for deletion - after 7 days, if a consensus has formed to delete the article, it will be deleted. Tollens (talk) 20:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Have you checked out the sources used at French Wikipedia about this chain? It's a much bigger article (see here?) Maybe they might help you do a WP:BEFORE, prior to recommending a deletion discussion. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll add the 'Expand French' and 'More citations needed' templates to the article, given the scope of the article in French Wikipedia. Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Seeing previous interactions

Hello! This is a bit of an odd/niche request (and I also hope it doesn't sound creepy??) but sometimes someone will respond me on a talk page and I feel I have seen their username before, and there's an odd "have I talked to this person before?" especially if they are very kind to me and I feel endeared. Is there anyway to see past interactions between two editors? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 05:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: There is - see Wikipedia:Interaction Timeline for the tool. Tollens (talk) 05:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This one does the same thing, and also allows for filtering of the namespace you want to search. Tollens (talk) 05:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Wikipedia really does have a script for everything :P And thank you for such a fast response too. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 05:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Logical Quotation period clarification

Hi there, got a question about logical quotation, specifically about when to put a period before an end quotation mark instead of after. I understand it happens when A) there is a period in the original quote and B) when the quote is a complete sentence. However, I'm seeing a hodge-podge of periods being before and after the end quotation mark specifically in quotations that start mid-sentence. Is the complete sentence piece the deciding factor, or is it ok to do it with incomplete sentences because there is, obviously, a period at the end of the sentence in the original quote? It seems like complete sentence is the deciding factor, but want to make sure before I do any more editing. Thanks! Pac12dan (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pac12dan: Yes, being a complete sentence is the deciding factor. The period should only go only inside the quotation marks if the quote is a full sentence, otherwise it should remain outside. The relevant section of the style guide is MOS:LOGICAL, if you want to have a look. Tollens (talk) 05:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

How to avoid strange formatting of reference to external page.

I wanted to link to an external page and did that at first with the following source:

^[1]

But this is rendered in a strange way with square brackets enclosing a meaningless number. It links to the right page, but looks weird. How do I avoid this?

^ "The Beaver People” [1]

Dsiedler (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Dsiedler, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you want the second [1] to be something more informative - is that correct? If you type: <ref>"The Beaver People” [https://www.nfb.ca/film/beaver_people/ Link to film]</ref>

You will get:

^[1]

References

^ "The Beaver People” Link to film

Is that what you want? 57.140.16.29 (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! Actually the icon signifying an external link would in itself suffice - no additional text needed. I found I can get what I want by entering an empty string as the text:

^[1] Dsiedler (talk) 19:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Another option is to simply link the whole phrase, like so:^[2] (see below for result), but it's more a question of aesthetics at this point. What you should really do, @Dsiedler, is look into the use of citation templates - they're much preferred over using what we call "bare URLs", for various reasons. They're fairly easy to generate if you follow the instructions at Help:Referencing for beginners#RefToolbar. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 20:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for the great help! I agree with the advantages of using citation templates. I didn't do so because this is my first contribution to an article and I didn't want to rock the boat too much. The references in the article are a sort of dog's breakfast. If I do more with the article I will overhaul all the references. Dsiedler (talk) 08:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

References

^ "The Beaver Family"
^ "The Beaver Family"

Why Moved article space to draft space?

Ravensfire moved Baanadariyalli (2023 film) to Draft:Baanadariyalli (2023 film). This film is releasing on 28 September 2023.filming is completed, but they moved to draf space. What about Baanadariyalli article? Arumobileworld (talk) 02:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Arumobileworld – whoopsies! Looks like you have created a duplicate article (the draft you have created duplicates an existing article). In this case the title is a plausible redirect to the main article you have mentioned, Baanadariyalli, and so I will redirect that to the main film instead. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

For your information, if you have anything to expand on that subject, you can always go to Baanadariyalli and make some improvements to that article. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I created that article before the Baanadariyalli article. When my article moved to draft space then Baanadariyalli article created by someone. Arumobileworld (talk) 04:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Arumobileworld – I see. In that case the standard protocol would have actually been to merge the articles together but seeing as the content in the pages were basically the same I would just leave that as a redirect. However, your draft did cite The Hindu—which is India's newspaper of record and is regarded as a more reliable source (see WP:THEHINDU). I would recommend citing the claim in the main article that is pertinent to the article from The Hindu. Thanks for letting me know! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 04:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank You 3PPYB6 Arumobileworld (talk) 05:00, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Arumobileworld, The film did not meet the WP:NFF criteria for unreleased films. There isn't enough in the article to show that the film production itself is notable. Generally articles like that are moved to draft space until they are released. I'm not going to bother pushing on this one, but please read and follow how it should be done. Ravensfire (talk) 03:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Arumobileworld, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks as if you think that "This film is releasing on 28 September 2023.filming is completed" had some relevance to Wikipedia: it doesn't. An article is moved to Draft space because the mover believes that it is not at present suitable for the main encyclopaedia, but could be made so. This has nothing to do with dates, but about the quality of the sources, or the writing (or both) in the draft. ColinFine (talk) 11:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Film infobox title

I had to move my draft Draft:The Glass Harmonica (film) and re-title the infobox in it. The title of the infobox is now in red letters and says "template" on it, which it didn't do before. Is this something I need to fix or will it resolve itself when the page is no longer a draft? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 12:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to the Teahouse! To resolve your issue, I removed the unnecessary braces in the |name= field of the infobox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:JWB fixing curly quotes—in references?

Hello, Teahouse hosts (even though I apparently listed myself as one)…
I was working with WP:JWB and found out that when I fixed curly quotes it was extending its reach into the references. Are curly quotes generally allowed in references because they must be titled/styled "as-is" or does MOS:CURLY generally extend into references? Thanks.
Postscript: for example, JWB was attempting to fix a curly apostrophe within a reference and I just allowed it to pass (see Special:Diff/1176502468). — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 3PPYB6. As the Manual of Style says, the only place for curly quotes on the English Wikipedia is in direct foreign language quotations. Otherwise, they should be removed, including from references. Cullen328 (talk) 05:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 – Thanks for letting me know! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 13:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:REALITYSINGER

Does WP:REALITYSINGER apply to bands as well? Pottyantós WC (talk) 11:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pottyantós WC: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest asking your question at the associated talk page: Wikipedia talk:Notability (music). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I ask for an article to be restricted?

There are some articles, like this one or this one where its obvious the article was created by the company as an advertisement. I’m not saying we should delete them, because knowledge is knowledge, and I’ve done by best to make them un bias, but I think that there might just be another IP address coming in and saying that they’re the best in the world. On some pages, I’ve seen edit restrictions for only admins or only accounts. How can I do this or ask for this to be done? Janlopi (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Janlopi, pages are protected so only admins (full protection) or users with over a certain number of edits (semi-protected), but only as a last resort. See Wikipedia:Protection policy. I will quickly look at these articles you linked now. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Janlopi, I have requested a complete rewrite of BridgeClimb Sydney and removed a bunch of promotional content from Richard Vaughan Badminton Academy also. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much man! You have been endlessly useful for me! 👍 👍 👍 Janlopi (talk) 19:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi no worries Janlopi, I appreciate that. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 13:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Writing articles on living people

I'm new here and getting the hang of things. If I were to create an article on a living person in a certain field I'm knowledgeable about, such as content marketing or holistic health, how popular should they be? What I mean is that if I can't find articles for reputable newspapers or journals on their work, are they still considered notable if their contributions to their community are recognized on other platforms? I'm trying to learn how to do research and not start writing on a topic that has no viable chances of being published here. Introvertedwriter1995 (talk) 12:29, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A living person merits an article if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the definition of a notable person(or one of the narrower subsets like a notable politician). Sources do not specifically need to be a newspaper/media, but they do need to have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control(i.e. they don't just post anything they want, they check for accuracy). This disqualifies most blogs(though not all). 331dot (talk) 12:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Do not confuse popularity with notability. A person can be popular but not notable, and notable but not popular. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, introvertedwriter1995, and welcome. It is perhaps unfortunate that Wikipedia has chosen the word "notable", because it doesn't mean quite the same as the normal meaning of the word. I suggest thinking of it as a shorthand for "there is enough independent reliable material published about the subject for it to be possible to base an article on it" - remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Can you direct me to specific criteria for notability.

I particular, I'd like to contest a rating of "not notable" with an article I submitted about a Lord-Lieutenant. This is a national position, appointed by HM The King (UK). Can you suggest why this would not meet notability criteria, as it has in the past? LWSimpson (talk) 12:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be about Draft:Christopher Andrew Crawford Simpson, which has been tagged for Speedy deletion for copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 12:38, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The criteria for the notability of individuals can be found at WP:NPEOPLE. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LWSimpson. I haven't looked at the particular case, but I can certainly suggest why this would not meet notability criteria, as it has in the past: if the person has been appointed that recently, there simply might not be enough material published about him yet - simply a matter of WP:TOOSOON. Even if there are announcements of the appointment, if none of them contain any substantial biographical information, then there are not the sources to establish notability in Wikipedia's sense. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Photo copyright issues

I uploaded two photos for my draft Draft:The Glass Harmonica (film) which are screenshots of the film itself. As far as I can tell, they are not protected by fair use, and there are steps I need to take to ensure they are allowed. I recently got a message saying "This media file is a derivative work incorporating another work or works. While the source of this file has been identified, essential source and copyright information for all work incorporated in this file is missing. The author and source of all incorporated works must be given so that the copyright status can be verified. Edit the file description page to add source information" for each of the photos. What specifically do I need to do and where and how do I do it? Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 12:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: It appears you uploaded the photos to Wikimedia Commons, not the English Wikipedia. Therefore, your question is best asked at Commons. I suggest you start by visiting commons:Help:Contents. In the future, you might enjoy using Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, which provides prompts for all the information needed when uploading files. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 13:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I see you have described File:Steklyannaya Garmonika.jpg as "own work". Unless you hold the copyright to the film from which it was taken, this is not acceptable. You may have made the screenshot, but the copyright in the original subsists. ColinFine (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended confirmed edit protected request

There is an extended confirmed protected edit request here which nobody is responding to. Please do the needful.-2406:7400:98:1D35:AEC3:3AFF:FE2C:9622 (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Edit requests are performed by volunteers, doing what they can, when they can. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 06:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

A number of people seem to be discussing that edit request, and the discussion is ongoing. That you are dissatisfied with the situation is clear, but it's also clear that the change will not be made until a consensus for it is reached. Deor (talk) 14:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding pdfs as references - copyright issue

Hi Teahouse Hosts, I am currently drafting a page on Shot Peen Forming and want to include references to published articles from a journal. The articles are freely available for downloads as pdfs but I'm not sure whether this makes it ok to upload them to Wikipedia / Wiki Commons. My alternative is to just give links to the relevant articles in the journal. However, this only gives very brief info - not really enough to function as a reference in terms of content. Would appreciate advice on how to proceed. CSK45Kays (talk) 11:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi CSK45Kays, welcome to the Teahouse. Copyright would usually not allow republishing of a journal article. Please give an example link to an article and describe how you got the pdf. It the link is like https://www.shotpeener.com/library/detail.php?anc=1970011&keyword=baughman%2C and you merely clicked "DOWNLOAD PDF" then interested Wikipedia readers can just do that on their own. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That helps a lot. Thank you! CSK45Kays (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, CSK45Kays, and welcome to the Teahouse. Off-line sources are fine, as long as they have been reliably published. The important parts of a citation are the title, author, date, publication, publisher: a link to an online copy is a convenience, not a necessary part of the citation.

If there happens to be an online copy that respects copyright, it is helpful to readers and reviewers to link to it; but Wikipedia should never link to a copyright violation in any circumstances.

If a journal makes its articles available as downloadable PDFs, it is fine to link to those downloads; but if a random person has scanned and uploaded them, then they are probably copyright violations and should not be linked to. (They are also an unreliable copy of the source, as there is a possibility that they could have been altered). ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! CSK45Kays (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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