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October 31

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(Posted) RD: Adam Zimmer

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Article: Adam Zimmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, ESPN
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Nominator's comments: Former NFL coordinator and coach. Article could use more citations ans dome information from the infobox on his career added to the body of the article. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Danny Javier

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Article: Danny Javier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Times, GMA News Online, CNN Philippines
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 Bagoto (talk) 12:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. The article is missing basically everything about his career with APO, there is a large and unsourced filmography with no reference in the prose beyond the first sentence noting he was among other things an actor and TV presenter. The list of his compositions doesn't belong in the lead and needs to be fully sourced. Finally, the lead needs a good copyedit, but this is the least significant of the issues. I've added an orange tag asking for the article to be expanded. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now per the usual reason and also because of the reasons stated by Thryduulf above. Also, I relocated this to October 31 as his death was reported on that day. Vida0007 (talk) 11:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is missing information about his career. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 16:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sadaf Naeem

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Article: Sadaf Naeem (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 24 Newq HD, ARY News, Dunya News
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Eric Jean Baptiste

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Article: Eric Jean Baptiste (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Yahoo
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Assassinated Haitian politician  Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 30

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(Posted) RD: Martine Djibo

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Article: Martine Djibo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Afrik Soir
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Nominator's comments: Ivorian female politician. Curbon7 (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tropical Storm Nalgae (2022)

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Article: Tropical Storm Nalgae (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 98 people have been killed by Tropical Storm Nalgae in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, Geo, Reutures
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 15:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per Nfitz PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article looks good now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Miklós Lukáts

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Article: Miklós Lukáts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Index
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Hungarian MP. Curbon7 (talk) 04:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shane Reed

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Article: Shane Reed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald; Stuff
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:13, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Brazilian general election

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Article: 2022 Brazilian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva wins a third term as President of Brazil, defeating incumbent president Jair Bolsonaro in the runoff. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2022 Brazilian general election, two-term president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva defeats incumbent Jair Bolsonaro.
News source(s): Bloomberg Reuters The Guardian AP
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A bit early for me to put this in if I'm being totally honest, but it is today. Feel free to suggest any ALTblurbs because I'm not the most confident with this one. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

lol? Bedivere (talk) 23:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A very important event. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Obviously an important event. pipe058 02:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Long live the party of democracy! Brazil can live without fear again, thanks to colleagues' comments! Otávio Astor Vaz Costa (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for making me aware of such a great article/interesting read. I've made said change to the map. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 08:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Posted. El_C 04:35, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - So are we supposed to be enforcing WP:NOTFORUM on ITN/C with the purpose of avoiding political commentary? I remember a little while ago someone said we needed to start doing that. The above commentary leads me to believe that perhaps these words were in vain. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Morbi bridge collapse

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Article: 2022 Morbi bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 100 people are killed when a footbridge (pictured in 2008) collapses in Morbi, Gujarat, India (Post)
News source(s): India Today, Time of India, The Guardian, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Article is still short and probably not ready yet, but its being actively worked on as more information becomes available. Thryduulf (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - So many terrible tragedies recently..
Article needs expansion, so we might want to wait until there's more coverage to put it up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on Quality - I definitely support this for the ITN. However, the quality of the article is bad. There's no information on the collapse itself in the article. Rather it only talks about the background and the cause. Once the article's quality approves I will support. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:19, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Japan Series

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Article: 2022 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Orix Buffaloes defeat the Tokyo Yakult Swallows to win the Japan Series (MVP Yutaro Sugimoto pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [2][3]
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article looks good and the Japan Series has been featured ITN before. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mogadishu car bombings

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Article: October 2022 Mogadishu bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 100 people are killed and 300 others are injured by two car bombs in Mogadishu, Somalia. (Post)
News source(s): WP Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Attacks are unfortunately common in Somalia, but the high death toll makes this more significant IMO. The article is well-sourced and meets the minimum required update for a new article, but could do with some expansion. Quantum XYZ (talk) 05:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above, event has enough body count to be considered news. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 29

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(Closed) 2022 Haitian crisis

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Article: 2022 Haitian crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Amid a socioeconomic and political crisis in Haiti, the United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo aimed at armed gangs in the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo in Haiti, amid an ongoing crisis of armed gang violence, economic inflation, acute hunger, cholera, and civil unrest.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amid a humanitarian crisis in Haiti, the United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo aimed at armed gangs in the country.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Associated Press, CBS News, France24, Reuters, United Nations
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Nominator's comments: I nominated this subject last month before the news of the United Nations approving sanctions broke, and updated the nomination accordingly at the time. No consensus was reached following the update, possibly because initial reviewers (who voted "oppose" or "weak oppose") did not see said update, and it has now been archived. I'm re-nominating it here to see if a consensus to post can be reached this time. As supporters seemed to favour the "alt1" blurb included with that nomination, I've made said blurb the primary blurb suggestion this time around. —Matthew - (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Seoul Halloween crowd crush

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Article: Seoul Halloween crowd crush (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A crowd crush in Seoul kills at least 145 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 145 people are killed and 150 are injured in a crowd crush in Seoul, South Korea.
News source(s): Yonhap News Agency, The New York Times, BBC, CNN
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Nominator's comments: Significant stampede with a high death count in the capital city of South Korea elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:47, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article needs expansion (which will come in due course) but happy otherwise XxLuckyCxX (talk) 18:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Kathleen Booth

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Article: Kathleen Booth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Classfact (talk) 15:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Tropical Storm Nalgae (2022)

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Article: Tropical Storm Nalgae (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tropical Storm Nalgae kills at least 45 people in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Nominator's comments: The article definitely could use more expansion with the overnight updates, and there's also a need to fix a bad copy-and-paste move from a draft that I cannot immediately figure out. Masem (t) 13:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after it is expanded. There are still some tags present to prevent it from being posted. Shwcz (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with this one. Although this will definitely be expanded like the Itaewon tragedy (the crowd crush) above and this has also become one of the most significant storms to ever hit the country (I think this is the first time that almost the entire country got ravaged by a single storm), there are still issues needed to be addressed, especially with regards to its subsections.
    Vida0007 (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is red-tagged for a history merge. There are also multiple sections orange-tagged for expansion. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 03:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The history merge issue has been handled, but the article could probably do with a bit more prose now. --Masem (t) 17:33, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) New PM in Lesotho

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Articles: Sam Matekane (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Lesotho general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Sam Matekane is inaugurated as Prime Minister of Lesotho following his party's victory in the general election. (Post)
News source(s): Anadolu Agency
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: We didn't post the general election so I thought it would be appropriate to post this now. Quantum XYZ (talk) 05:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article quality isn't great, but the topic is notable enough for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article quality is the only thing we are permitted to judge, and it is insufficient. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is true. Conditional Support PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:20, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 28

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RD: Joyce Molyneux

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Article: Joyce Molyneux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 14:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vince Dooley

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Article: Vince Dooley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Morantz

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Article: Paul Morantz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported in a reliable source today (October 28); died on September 23. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ian Jack

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Article: Ian Jack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hannah Pick-Goslar

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Article: Hannah Pick-Goslar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jerusalem Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Holocaust survivor, close friend of Anne Frank, mentioned in her diary (as "Hanneli"), for the longer part of her life nurse for children in Jerusalem, 31 grandchildren, and eye witness of the Holocaust. Article came with 3 tags. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Calvin O. Butts

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Article: Calvin O. Butts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jerry Lee Lewis

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Article: Jerry Lee Lewis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Erroneously reported as dead yesterday but now it's been confirmed by close sources. --Bedivere (talk) 17:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Based on the requirements required here for ITN. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I put the "Additional Citations Required" Template for a reason Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Acquisition of Twitter

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Article: Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Elon Musk acquires social media company Twitter for US$44 billion. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC WaPost
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Controversial and very large business deal (US$42B) that closed today. We posted the acquisition of Activision-Blizzard by Microsoft, of similar size, back in January, and this deal has substantially more media coverage + its own article. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 01:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – much media coverage, large sum, one of the largest social networks, and it comes after a hefty period of threats to terminate the acquisition. It's definitely more newsworthy now than in April 675930s (talk) 07:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and also, the government formations following the Swedish and Italian elections were posted in addition to the electoral results 675930s (talk) 07:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We already posted it. NoahTalk 11:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Incredibly high profile purchase, on the front page of every major news site. As has been already pointed out, we posted the Activision-Blizzard purchase, so why not this, which is arguably more consequential? This will probably be remembered as a start of a new era in social media. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:38, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Given the drama that took place between April and now, it's worth posting again. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 15:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very notable purchase. X-Editor (talk) 01:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Already posted in April BilledMammal (talk) 01:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Normally I agree with logic like that (see the Italian election), but this time I don't know, as (1) the first posting was six months ago, and (2) the drama that took place in between that made it look like this deal may not happen. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It was probably a mistake to post the deal in April in the first place, but what's done is done. This is incredibly notable, and is on the front page of every major news site. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Take-private transactions happen all the time and we do not generally post closures of transactions. $42B isn't particularly large either. If we look at List of largest mergers and acquisitions, more than 30 acquisitions in the 2010s decade exceed that amount in transaction value. feminist (talk) 02:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • For that matter, I feel like WP:BIAS affects what we decide to post. Looking at American M&As, We posted Elon's announcement 6 months ago; we posted Activision Blizzard; but we did not post VMware (another software company acquired this year, with only a slightly smaller transaction value), and we did not post United Technologies (a much larger merger) in 2019/20.
      • We're looking at the coverage. Both Twitter and Activision Blizzard at the time were massively reported on by mainline sources, while the lesser known (though more valuable) mergers of VMWare and United Technology did not get the same type of coverage. Its more than just dollar value, but how it is seen as "shaking up" the industry by RSes. --Masem (t) 02:12, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Yep. Activision-Blizzard is a borderline household name for many people, whetheras I'd never even heard of VMware until now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As we posted the announcement back when it was made, and despite the number of tribulations in court over this, that it is happening is not really a surprise. --Masem (t) 02:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Acquisition of one of the biggest social media platforms. Clearly notable news with potentially significant ramifications. GWA88 (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Whoever didn't sign their post is right: Activition Blizzard, VMware, and United Technologies didn't have a fraction of the news coverage as Elon/Twitter. We are "in the news" still, right? Sure it's bias, but it's not up to us to WP:RGW, just to reflect reality. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    But we are not a news ticker, and we already posted about the planned acquisition. It has happened; just like we don't post inaugurations of elected leaders, we don't post the completion of acquisitions. Masem (t) 02:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Inaugurations are a fait accompli (beyond other circumstances that would then be noteworthy themselves). This wasn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And if the deal failed to happen, we likely would have posted that as an "other circumstance". We have to be consistent here. Masem (t) 04:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Are we covering what's "in the news" or are we not? Are we a "news ticker" or are we gatekeepers? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mixed, leaning towards oppose — Waiting for this to hit ITN. This has significance, but I disagreed with the posting of this story in April, and I disagree with bringing it up now. It's not a particularly large acquisition, and it will likely be a slow start before anything of significance occurs. Although Twitter itself is the fourth most-visited site on the Internet looking at Similarweb data, Twitter, Inc. doesn't even make the Fortune Global 500 list. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support. The size of the acquisition in dollar value terms doesn't seem like much of a factor to me at all. I'm sure enormous but obscure parent companies of parent companies are acquired all the time. However, this is a household name and a highly influential platform, one expected to be so in the future. BD2412 T 02:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already posted. We are not a newsfeed or ticker for all things related to Elon Musk and/or Twitter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:15, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is bigger than just Musk, or even Twitter though. It's likely this aquisition will greatly affect the entire internet. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Citation Needed. Twitter does not control the internet in any way. If there's anything that will change the internet that we should report on, it is the onset of the Digital Markets Act in the EU that will be overseeing how Big Tech operates, starting Nov 1. Masem (t) 15:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, Twitter does not control the internet, but this deal is incredibly notable and high profile, and it is sending shockwaves throughout the net. Everyone is talking about it, it is in the news everywhere. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll add that Twitter itself is incredibly central to the political and social systems of the western world, with most politicians, celebrities and influencers using it as an outlet to communicate with the public. This acquisition will greatly affect this. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm seeing a lot of CRYSTALBALLING here. But even if it's all true, it's not relevant to the fact that we have already posted this. "It's super important." is not an argument for posting the same thing twice. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - It's hard for me finding the value in re-upping this in ITN, but I suppose an argument can be made that the controversies that delayed the merger make it worth of posting again. I wouldn't be mad if it were posted again, but ultimately, this "slot" could be filled with something new. Ayyydoc (talk) 03:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks in good shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per BD2412. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: When the original announcement was posted people complained that it was too soon and that we should wait until the deal closed. Now that the deal's closed we've got people saying that it shouldn't be posted because it already has been. It's major news (to the point of having an article just about the acquisition) and shouldn't be neglected because it already has been posted once before, especially since the first posting was six months ago and there were several points in the process that made it look like the deal was going to be called off. PolarManne (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ayyydoc. Schierbecker (talk) 05:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It is technically double-posting, but I think this case is not too big a deal due to the kerfuffle with the deal, the fact that its been a while, and that it is now official. Curbon7 (talk) 05:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Already posted at ITN, but the subsequent fall-out is there, for which this might be seen as a slight follow up on (though it wasn't covered at ITN). Gotitbro (talk) 05:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Arguments simply premised on a repeat posting fail to convince me. Changing to weak support per the same argument as above. Gotitbro (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per BD2412. The last posting was half a year ago and the parties literally went to court over if the merger would happen or not, so there was definitely some uncertainty in the process unlike inaugurations for elections. Bigger business deals don't get anywhere close to the amount of coverage Twitter does because they are mostly of no interest to general society, whereas Twitter is both a very popular social media site in general, but also popular among journalists. As a kicker, the last ITN blurb right now is over two weeks old and can hardly be considered to be "in the news". ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no, not again. We are not Musk’s community manager. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for all the developments that happened between then and now. Quantum XYZ (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this again? We made the same mistake back in April, and then Musk backed out of the deal. Fool me once... YD407OTZ (talk) 07:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He announced the deal back in April. Back then, he didn't own the company. Right now, he literally owns the company, having even fired the CEO & CFO...so I'd say to announce this would be a good idea now. Twistedaxe (talk) 08:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps this will be a good lesson for WP users to not trust anything coming out of Musk's mouth unless independently and thoroughly confirmed by a third party. Musk already plays the mainstream media like a fiddle with his brazen statements, designed to incite controversy (much like a traditional internet troll). It would be a shame if WP also continues to be played like this. YD407OTZ (talk) 09:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. ITN is for reporting on what is in the news, if a major news story that is reported on by respected sources turns out to be a hoax, that's their fault for not verifying it. We're not journalists, we're the newsboys. PolarManne (talk) 10:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Media also regularly report on "X tweeted Y" or celebrity gossip stories. Those aren't nominated or posted to ITN either. I do believe we have a responsibility of ensuring the quality of the stories on our front page. Musk acts like a fundamentally unserious person on Twitter (and sometimes also in the real world, as evidenced by this sage), so in my opinion we should treat him as such. Perhaps if we could go back in time and un-post the original announcement... YD407OTZ (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    But this isn't some prank by Musk, this is a serious business deal that may end up being one of the most high profile aquisitions of the decade. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A huge event and acquirement by Musk. Definitely notable. Twistedaxe (talk) 09:01, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weal oppose – The article looks very good, and based on that I would lean towards support. However, having already posted this purchase before (albeit before a legal battle and all that), I feel really uncomfortable about posting this again. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:17, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- from a global perspective, this has the potential to affect more people than the musical chairs of UK politics, and it's definitely in the news, so I see no reason not to post this. Twitter is incredibly popular and this is big news. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support All the current blurbs are about national leadership (UK, China, Italy, Sweden) and that seems too monotonous. This item is in the news in a big way and would provide some variety. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    whether or not to give variety to the MainPage doesn't automatically attribute notability to an event. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The notability of the topic seems ample as ITN has posted it before. The issue of variety is a reason to post this development again. Other main page sections try to present a variety of topics to show the range of Wikipedia and, as ITN is especially slow-moving, it should address this issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That we already posted once is ample reason not to post it again. Additionally, we cannot curate how the news happens and so that fact that there are several world leadership changes at ITN is not something we should try to force change. Next week it could be all sporting events; we wouldn't change it for that either. Masem (t) 12:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We would be following the news here, not forcing it. The topic has been leading in major news media like the BBC and NYT and so we have significance. The nominated article has adequate quality. Per WP:ITNCRIT, quality and significance are the two main grounds for acceptance. The posting of an earlier stage in the process 6 months ago is not an obstacle as there's no such ITN rule. We have plenty of recent precedents showing that it's quite acceptable and reasonable to post further developments in such a significant story. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Patar knight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Important news about a media site used by millions all over the world.BabbaQ (talk) 11:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Globally important. The other mergers/buyouts (even with bigger numbers) were not important to people in Asia, for example. But this one is important to me too. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As noted by other editors above, this was already posted in April. While I understand the argument that the deal could have fallen apart, this is true of most acquisitions. In such situations, then they could be an ITN item if and when the transaction does not proceed. However this did not happen, it's merely the consummation of a transaction that was posted to ITN earlier in the year. If we were post this item again, then it sets an ugly precedent whereby other (announcement/take effect) combinations are double-posted in the future. This could be other merger and acquisition activity, or even election results. Chrisclear (talk) 11:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chrisclear: There were already 2 posts for the Italian and Swedish elections, so it’s arguable that the precedent’s already been set. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it's a very big deal 4me689 (talk) 12:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the posting of the agreement rather than this completion was a mistake, but that doesn't mean this shouldn't be posted. DatGuyTalkContribs 12:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is normally that when acquisitions complete, they do not get any coverage, but maybe a whimper from the media; it is when the deal is first announced that we have determined is the appropriate point to post such news stories because that it is when they are clearly best covered. Masem (t) 12:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Possibly, but it seems after the fiasco of this acquisition in particular that takeovers and such should be posted at the end rather than the start. I recall there being notable coverage both on announcement and on completion of other notable events, such as the Acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney. DatGuyTalkContribs 15:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And here you see the Carrie Fisher problem. We have guidelines to keep our behavior consistent, so we appear reasonable to the reader. The guidelines sit there, acceptable to all for years. Then one day they get in the way of editors fanboying-out, and suddenly the guidelines are broken. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support. Not favorable to going all in on a repeat posting, but it's probably permissible in this case. DarkSide830 (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We have discussed the posting of mergers extensively. This exact issue (deals that get announced to great fanfare sometimes get cancelled; is the news when they get announced ,or when they get blocked/done?) has been raised and arbitrated. Having these discussions lucidly and coming to a reasonable consensus is central to how we run this site. Throwing all that out the window because of a buzzy story is sacrilegious. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We posted the acquisition of Activision-Blizzard by Microsoft a few months ago, and this is arguably more high-profile than that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Twice? Because that is the conversation here - there is reasonable debate about posting mergers at announcement or execution, but we absolutely do not post twice. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it was a mistake to post in April, we should've waited for the deal to close, but I think this is notable as Twitter is incredibly influential in the political and social systems of the western world. It is the main outlet for politicians, influencers and celebrities to communicate with the public. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Important news event. --lomrjyo (public) (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is already posted before, but with the deal closed and fully takes effect, I feel this should be ITN again. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Greatly dislike Elon, but now that it's been completed and is a certainty, one of the world's wealthiest men acquiring one of its largest social media platforms is certainly newsworthy. The Kip (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Oppose We don't post nearly enough business news on ITN, and posting unusually large mergers and takeovers is one of the easiest ways to remedy this. This is one of the four largest corporate acquisitions of 2022, and that makes it worth posting. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC) It was previously posted, it doesn't need to be posted again. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We already posted the announcement; therfore we don't need to post the conclusion as well.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PK3. There was a whole lot of intermediary drama between the announcement and the finalization, but this was otherwise a by-the-book sale that would not warrant a deviation from our usual practice on this. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose Already posted before. Bedivere (talk) 17:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that it is a done deal. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 22:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Already posted in April and the story has not changed. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 23:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see what has changed since it was posted in April. Removed "Ready" - this needs more discussion (feel free to replace it if you feel that isn't the case). Black Kite (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While it is reasonable to discuss whether stories like this should be posted at the start or the end of the process, it is not reasonable to post both. We posted this one at the start and nothing in the article gives any reasons why it should be posted again. Thryduulf (talk)
  • Oppose as this was already posted. I'm not seeing a compelling discussion above on why this should be posted again. Nfitz (talk) 05:14, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Musk said many times that he is a "free speech absolutist" and he believes Twitter should allow all content that is legally permissible.[5] That has already produced the effect of a surge in racist and anti-semitic as well as COVID and election conspiracy theories posts on Twitter after Musk took over [6][7]. Musk also stated many times that banning Trump from Twitter was wrong, and now an unban of Trump is expected [8]. Analysts expect that we will already see a difference in Twitter's approach to misinformation under Musk for the upcoming elections in Brazil and the U.S. [9][10]. That's just for starters, and it's only been a few days. Nsk92 (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"On Twitter", so not the world. Yes, I'm fully aware of the long-term prospects of, say, allowing Trump back on, but that is all in the realm of speculation and not actual facts we can use. Masem (t) 15:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - "Guy buys thing" and "Final hurdles cleared in guy's purchase of thing" aren't really two separate events. Many nominations here are met with "This is just an announcement. Wait for the event. We don't post things twice." Wikipedia jumped the gun and posted this early, but that doesn't mean that we need to post it twice. If anything, it means that we need to be more patient in the future. GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Feminist and Masem. Not even the biggest technology-related acquisition this year, will be on the waning end of the current news cycle by the time this discussion concludes, and, most importantly, it has already been blurbed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Such a big deal should come in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 17:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 27

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(Posted) RD: Gerald Stern

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Article: Gerald Stern (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Shah Cheragh massacre

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Article: Shah Cheragh massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A mass shooting kills at least 15 people at the Shah Cheragh mausoleum in Shiraz, Iran. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Iranian city of Shiraz, at least 15 people are killed by a mass shooting at the Shah Cheragh mausoleum.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

 Quantum XYZ (talk) 14:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support an event this big should naturally be on the front of the news, support blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:34, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Big political ramifications in Iran due to the ongoing crisis there. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait I guess since the disaster-stub guy went cuckoo and got himself banned, I have to step in as the voice of reason. There is very little detail about the actual event at the moment. Let's give this a few hours to flesh out, please. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd always known him as the 'old man dies' guy. Cheers. WimePocy 13:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Shah Cheragh

(Posted) RD:Rieko Kodama

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Article: Rieko Kodama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IGN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese video game artist. A Good Article. Died in May but death not announced until now - Dumelow (talk) 06:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Thomas Cahill

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Article: Thomas Cahill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 26); died on October 18. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rosalind Wiener Wyman

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Article: Rosalind Wiener Wyman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; KABC-TV
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucianne Goldberg

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Article: Lucianne Goldberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lia Origoni

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Article: Lia Origoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Unione Sarda
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian singer and actress. Seems well-cited. Curbon7 (talk) 23:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pierre Soulages

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Article: Pierre Soulages (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le peintre Pierre Soulages est mort
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French painter, printmaker and sculptor and said to be the world's greatest living artist by the French president in 2014 4me689 (talk) 15:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Cyclone Sitrang

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Article: Cyclone Sitrang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Cyclone Sitrang has killed at least 28 people and left millions without power in Bangladesh. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera, France 24, Retures
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 10:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Stub and not even properly formatted as a TC article. NoahTalk 12:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not a important event, and did not do a lot of damage. 4me689 (talk) 13:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article needs to be updated. As of now it is nothing more than a stub. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Article needs to be extended; it's only just over 3000 bytes. Redoct87 (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mike Davis

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Article: Mike Davis (scholar) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Nation, LA Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Marxist scholar of Southern California 2600:1700:5890:69F0:B88E:BF89:F981:5DB7 (talk) 00:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

support, this guy looks notable. 4me689 (talk) 13:53, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Notability has nothing to do with RD. Curbon7 (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@4me689: "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Focus on the quality of the article, and if it's suitable to be on the Main Page. Cheers. WimePocy 15:29, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Thryduulf, I've trimmed this. —⁠Collint c 16:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems people keep finding new problems with this, the student activism section is now orange tagged for expansion. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Farquhar Wilkinson

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Article: Farquhar Wilkinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Marlborough Express death notice
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: New Zealand cellist - Dumelow (talk) 15:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gordon Fee

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Article: Gordon Fee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CHVN-FM; Regent College
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Halligan

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Article: Jim Halligan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oklahoman; Stillwater News Press; KOSU
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jules Bass

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Article: Jules Bass (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Of Rankin & Bass stop motion animation. Article needs a lot of help Masem (t) 20:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Adidas Yeezy termination

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Article: Adidas Yeezy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Adidas terminates its Adidas Yeezy partnership with Kanye West (pictured) following his antisemitic remarks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Adidas terminates its Adidas Yeezy partnership with Kanye West (pictured).
News source(s): New York Times, Forbes, CNBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This termination is making headlines everywhere, marking the sudden end of one of the most successful corporate partnerships ever in the fashion world. This is one of the most significant recent developments in fashion news. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 16:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
4me689, news does not have to be "worldwide" to merit consideration here. #Please do not...oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive. (And we don't care what the gatekeepers at Talk:2022 think.) – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, all of the other stuff in ITN mainly affects one specific region, with bubbling effects throughout the world. I oppose the nomination, but the other arguments I have seen on my side are pathetic. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All of the stuff in ITN mainly affects one area of the word in one way or another. I oppose as well, but the other arguments I have seen are pathetic. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Obscure clothing line, no wide implications, only a one-sentence update to the article. Business deals are made and unmade all the time. If West's comments have caused widespread offence they should be discussed in the Kanye West article, or a new article written. Either way, falling out with one business partner is nowhere near significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 16:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really agree that this should be on ITN either. However, the Yeezy line is far from obscure. Respectfully, you're wrong about that. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning on oppose. I was divided between oppose and support. On one hand, this was indeed a highly successful partnership, only being killed by the fucking shitstorm that is Ye in 2022 (keep in mind that the partnership stayed even during previous controversies). On the other, that's all this is - a partnership. I doubt this will have a huge impact on the world like the other stuff in ITN. I think it would fit more in Portal:Current events, to be honest.
I understand arguments for support, and as I said, I was pretty divided on this topic and what my opinion was on being on ITN. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't believe Bryant's partnerships compared to the power of Yeezy. Yeezy was bringing in $2 billion annually within 7 years since its inception, only comparable to Air Jordan which has been around since 1985 and brings in $3 billion. I've added additional citations to the Adidas Yeezy article highlighting the brand's influence and acclaim. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 19:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'd like to challenge your assertion of this "making headlines everywhere", as I can't find this in the headlines (or anywhere) on the national news websites I visit. I don't think this meets the notability requirements. YD407OTZ (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) WhatsApp outage

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Article: 2022 WhatsApp Outage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An global outage occurred with millions of WhatsApp users. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Times of India and CNN
Credits:

Article updated
 Contributor008 (talk) 09:51, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we need more information about this, such as if it is an attack or just a technical problem. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Bluntly, I wouldn't consider it front-page news if the service closed for good, never mind it being down for a few hours. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a short outage of a global tech service is not particularly noteable. One of the big services goes down every few months for a bit. Perhaps if this lasts a long time it may be more noteworthy. --LukeSurl t c 10:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In fact, service has already been restored. And while this is particularly annoying, it's neither new nor are we unaware that it will happen again. In any case, as 331dot says, perhaps it might make sense to discuss this nomination if the server crash was the result of some kind of cyber-attack, especially if it originated in certain countries (Russia in particular). _-_Alsor (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Brief interruption of service, quickly restored, with no sign of any lasting impact. I don't think this is even notable enough to justify an article. Modest Genius talk 10:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I doubt this article will be expanded to the degree required for ITN. Impact seems unclear. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose service was only interrupted for 2 hours, with unclear impact as per above. The article also would need substantial expansion and rewriting, as it is extremely stubby and isn't written very well. I'm not even sure if it meets notability guidelines per WP:EVENT and WP:NEWSPAPER, but I may be wrong as I'm unexperienced in these areas. echidnaLives - talk - edits 10:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Solar eclipse of October 25, 2022

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Article: Solar eclipse of October 25, 2022 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A partial solar eclipse was visible across most of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Indian Express, L'Internaute
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Partial solar eclipse visible across large parts of the world greyzxq talk 13:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Solar eclipses happen all the time, in a very predictable manner. A total solar eclipse isn't notable, let alone a partial solar eclipse. Partial solar eclipses are much more common than total ones, and aren't nearly as notable. 71.44.212.75 (talk) 14:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 24

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Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


(Posted) RD: Burt Gustafson

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Article: Burt Gustafson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Green Bay Packers website
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died October 22, first reported October 24. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Jay Osborn Jr.

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Article: John Jay Osborn Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 24); died on October 19. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ash Carter

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Article: Ash Carter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former US Defence Secretary Ash Carter dies aged 68
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: was once the United States Secretary of defense during the Barack Obama administration. 4me689 (talk) 15:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Defense Secretary, not Secretary of State. The two positions are uniquely different. Imagine if McNamara were the Secretary of State. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: it's fixed 4me689 (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Indefensible:, this message is to tell you that there's already a discussion here about Ash Carter 4me689 (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Even discounting the fact that he had one of the biggest roles in the US, the article is in good shape. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:37, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well-written article, definitely notable character. GuardianH (talk) 03:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Leslie Jordan

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Article: Leslie Jordan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Metro UK Fox News NPR Pink News CBS News LA Times Rolling Stone CNN Associated Press New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 XxLuckyCxX (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Largely unsourced filmography, will probably be stale by the time it gets fixed up. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose completely unsourced filmography, the film and television section is largely proseline and there are facts dotted about that seem devoid of any context - e.g. what was it about his COVID posts that gained him followers? Did his being short and southern have any relevance to his career? Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Highly accomplished and talented actor and performer with a massive amount of credits in film and TV. Article might need some more improvements but it's getting there. As things stand, it looks to be fully sourced to me and I support it, but some editors might want more improvements or expansions made.--SitcomyFan (talk) 21:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether it is "getting there" or not is irrelevant, either it's of sufficient quality for the main page in its current state (in which case support it) or it isn't (in which case oppose it). Thryduulf (talk) 22:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some IP did a blanket citation on the filmography to TV Guide & BFI that is not supported. Of the first five I checked only one was there. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked the first 3 TV entries and they were supported by the TV Guide ref (but not sure why those needed multiple citations). —Bagumba (talk) 11:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I specifically look for those works without a hyperlink to a standalone article, as these are naturally harder to find citation for. Looking at the first nine such credits under film, two appear on TV Guide and zero on BFI. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article is being rapidly improved as we speak. While he was alive, there were articles written about him by New York Times, Variety, LA Times, and Hollywood Reporter. His death has been covered in detailed obituary articles by those publications as well as BBC, Fox News, Associated Press, ABC, Washington Post, CNN, Billboard, and Rolling Stone and not merely brief mentions, but full length articles. Many of these references have been incorporated into the article. The article quality is decent in terms of grammar and substantive content of his extensive career in entertainment, as an author, actor, Emmy Award winner, etc. I carefully read the criteria for inclusion in Recent Deaths for ITN. I realize neither of the following two are included as criteria, but want to bring them to your attention nevertheless. First, compare the ITN entries for today and the article page views associated with each person. Recent deaths are Louis Gigante, Bettye Crutcher, Gus Stavros, Dietrich Mateschitz, Pablo Eisenberg, Lucy Simon. Xi Jin-Ping is ITN (very much alive). The recent deaths articles have about 10,000 page views each at most. (I glanced at the first two, which have minimal content or sources). Chairman Xi received 150,000 page views after the dramatic public removal of his predecessor. Leslie Jordan's biography has already received 1,034,000 page views without even appearing in ITN. Clearly, Leslie Jordan's passing is of interest to many people. Second: Look at this outpouring of attention and regard his death received on Twitter today. The video was viewed 3 million times which is more than most videos of major world events. (I am NOT a fan of Yasher Ali but please ignore who posted it; the content is what matters). Finally, Jordan's death was sudden, due to a car crash, which IS one of the criteria for inclusion.--FeralOink (talk) 10:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @FeralOink: Thanks for your input. Regarding recent death postings, the only consideration is the quality of the article. The other factors you mentioned, even if true, have no bearing on postings. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 11:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    good analysis, but what's important here is the quality of the article. The rest, as long as he has a Wiki article, is not discussed. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article is now well-sourced. Vida0007 (talk) 11:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose inline citations have been blindly added to the the filmography with zero consideration as to whether the sources cover that information. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Now satisfactory. Bagumba? GreatCaesarsGhost 16:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) St. Louis school shooting

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Article: Central Visual and Performing Arts High School (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A shooting at the Central Visual and Performing Arts High School kills three people including the gunman. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting at a high school in St. Louis, Missouri kills three people including the gunman.
News source(s): ABC Fox News NBC CBS
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Widely reported, however no Wikipedia page. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊|🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦|☎️|📄 17:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is normal in the United States. NoahTalk 18:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election, Rishi Sunak

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Articles: October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election (talk · history · tag) and Rishi Sunak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Rishi Sunak (pictured) is elected as Leader of the Conservative Party and is set to become the United Kingdom's new Prime Minister. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Rishi Sunak (pictured) is elected as Leader of the Conservative Party.
Alternative blurb II: Rishi Sunak (pictured) is elected unopposed as Leader of the Conservative Party and becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, succeeding Liz Truss.
Alternative blurb III: Rishi Sunak (pictured) is selected as Leader of the Conservative Party and becomes Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, succeeding Liz Truss.
Alternative blurb IV: Rishi Sunak (pictured) succeeds Liz Truss as Leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
Alternative blurb V: Rishi Sunak (pictured) succeeds Liz Truss as Leader of the Conservative Party, becoming Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 XxLuckyCxX (talk) 13:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Happy to leave this as it is for now and wait until tomorrow (when he is set to formally become PM) if that is the general consensus. Alt blurb 2 looks good to me. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 13:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's not supported by any policy. We typically post when the media declares a winner, not based on formalities like certification/inauguration/assumption of office. If this shouldn't be ITNR, or ITNR should be changed to specify when the elected official takes office, the talk page is thataway. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Its supported by common sense. If this turnover is going to happen in a few days. Rather than months, we should wait until the transition. Masem (t) 16:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The announcement of the winner always gets more attention than the formal assumption of office. No reason to not post that he will succeed her now. I apologize for my frankness but I'm kinda amazed there is even disagreement about this. This used to be what we did all the time. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait till he met King Charles.
Mikelolggmrox (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As per above, first of all Wait, then Replace the posted Truss blurb with Alt4 by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 17:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Abcmaxx I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment but the article involved is titled in part "leadership election". 331dot (talk) 21:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
331dot but this article was created when it was presumed there would be some kind of voting mechanism as there were to be 2 or 3 contenders, and this was the case until the very last minute. I would support if it was renamed to "contest", "nomination" or "selection", that would be more accurate. The outcome ultimately is though, that no election took place of any sort. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hasten to add, this is all pretty controversial and a sensitive subject; it was when Truss was voted in only by a handful of MPs and then party members, this is much more tense with all the opposition parties and most of the electorate wanting a general election. I fear calling this an "election" would not only be inaccurate, but also may impede neutrality. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support immediate posting of Blurb. If it waits, then Altblurb 2. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, those list items don't overlap. Lord Liverpool had Anglo-Indian ancestry, Boris Johnson's great grandfather was Turkish, Disraeli was Jewish, and Lloyd George spoke Welsh as his first language. All of them were white, but all of them have things about them that slightly complicate broad-brush statements about 'ethnic minority'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt4, keep it simple.
filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until after Truss resigned officially and Rishi officially becomes Prime Minister, then combine blurb with the one about Truss resigning. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It already happened and is posted. Did this !vote jump through a quantum tunnel from yesterday or something? Time stamp is all wrong for it though... GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 16:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Beryl Benacerraf

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Article: Beryl Benacerraf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [19]
Credits:

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 Cbl62 (talk) 11:19, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Arshad Sharif

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Article: Arshad Sharif (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GeoTV, BBC, Guardian, DW, AlJazeera
Credits:

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 Ainty Painty (talk) 05:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 23

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Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Amou Haji

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Article: Amou Haji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC; USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A notoriously dirty old man. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert Gordy

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Article: Robert Gordy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; The Detroit News; Billboard
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 23); died on October 21. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Libor Pešek

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Article: Libor Pešek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Radio Prague; Czech News Agency
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walt Corey

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Article: Walt Corey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [20]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vanilla Beane

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Article: Vanilla Beane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WTOP News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American milliner Dumelow (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Galina Pisarenko

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Article: Galina Pisarenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): euroweeklynews.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Legendary Russian soprano, voice teacher, theatre director, had articles only in Easter languages, and people knowing those will certainly find things to add. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rock of Gibraltar (horse)

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Article: Rock of Gibraltar (horse) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing TV, attheraces
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Multiple Group 1 winner, famously part owned by Sir Alex Ferguson Josey Wales Parley 20:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Leszek Engelking

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Article: Leszek Engelking (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wprost
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: died on October 22 and is on the 2022 article 4me689 (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Louis Gigante

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Article: Louis Gigante (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 23); died on October 19. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:04, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Xi Jinping's third term

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Articles: Xi Jinping (talk · history · tag) and 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Xi Jinping is elected for a 3rd term as the leader of China. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party elects Xi Jinping (pictured) to a third term as General Secretary.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The National Congress of the CCP chooses Xi Jinping (pictured) as General Secretary.
Alternative blurb III: Xi Jinping (pictured) retains power as General Secretary after the CCP National Congress
Alternative blurb IV: Xi Jinping is confirmed for a third five-year term as leader of China.
News source(s): CNN, WSJ, AP, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Conclusion of the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party and selection of the 20th Poliburo Standing Committee. - Indefensible (talk) 04:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - it is a significant election result—with respect to succession norms—for the largest nation on the planet. Ayyydoc (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – it's significant given the prior stipulation of a two-term limit 675930s (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on blurb The blurb is misleading, Xi is not elected as the country's leader but instead the CCP's general secretary. Noting the state - party separation in China, President and general secretary are different positions, with the latter not having a term limit.Yxuibs (talk) 05:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - "Not an election" is not a reason for not at blurb this time because he broke all the previous rules of CCP for his own power this time. But I do think that the word "elects" should be changed because in no way he is really elected. Mahogany115 (Message) 12:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The blurb doesn't say he was elected by the people - it clearly mentions that he was chosen by the CCP Congress, which is what happened. This being (or not being) a rubberstamp body is another issue. Regards. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb, a significant event, particularly since a third term for the General Secretary represents a break with tradition. The original blurb is a no go: The terms "elected" and "leader" are too vague and easily misinterpreted. Nsk92 (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oppose – From what I've seen, third term was expected all along. [21]. Significance/impact faint. – Sca (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In my opinion, this is equivalent to being re-elected to the presidency of the US, which is significant. I don't think that the election being rigged is an argument here. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Political theater by an entrenched party pol. -- Sca (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    They've gone from decades of power sharing amongst the elite to basically one man rule. That's a fairly significant shift. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC
    They didn't 'go' to that at this pre-choreographed congress. In effect for some years. News value nil. -- Sca (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt-blurb - It's definitely a dictatorial stitch-up (and bolding the congress will also direct people to read about how Hu Jintao was treated), but this is the mechanism by which the world's most populous nation currently selects its leader, and the selection of Xi Jinping for a third term - which only Mao Zedong had previously had - is clearly significant and worthy of a headline. We report on democracies, we report on monarchies, we should clearly report on this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What changes for the people of the world's most populous country as a result of this congress? -- Sca (talk) 13:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We'd still post the win of an incumbent president in a national election, even if that doesn't change how the country's ruled. ITN is not a place to RGW. Masem (t) 13:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree with Masem. What changes for the people of America if Biden is re-elected in 2024? We'd still blurb it, so why not this? Quantum XYZ (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You're ignoring that the U.S. president is elected in a genuine vote by the population. (But don't get me started on the #!$+*%¿ Electoral College.) -- Sca (talk) 14:04, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, we're not here to RGW. If there is significant political commentary about the fakeness of the election it should be covered on the target article, but ITN should not care about that. Masem (t) 14:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If?Sca (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not trying to 'right a great wrong.' Just trying to ignore it -- or to ignore meaningless political theater that isn't really even newsworthy. Yawn... -- Sca (talk) 14:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - significant political event in the world’s most populous country, rightly considered comparable to the re-election of a president in a democratic republic. Blurb needs to be carefully worded and wikilinked considering that the “leadership” of China is not explicitly associated with any one particular official title.
Who posted? – Sca (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
we should be impartial and neutral, which means we shouldn't be whitewashing dictators and call their leadership processes exactly as they are, not use weasel words. "Election" is misleading to describe this and should be avoided. Abcmaxx (talk)
the word "Election" is not misleading, since it was an election; even if the outcome was never in doubt given what the electorate was. Saying "elected by the Chinese Communist Party national congress" isnt whitewashing anything, thats exactly what has happened; it wasnt the Chinese public that elected him. The onus is not on us to put our own definition to what an election is. To suggest Elections under duress with no checks and balances are not elections by definition. is adding your bias to what an election should be. That being said, to suggest that there are no checks and balances within the CCP and that this election was conducted under duress is also questionable.... Sure the electorate was going to be stacked with CCP loyalists, but I dont think they were under any duress to vote for Xi. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  23:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
an election where the outcome was never in doubt is a staged/sham election by definition. And I disagree I am throwing my bias' here, I am just merely pointing out the realities of Chinese politics. Yes one could vote against Xi, but that would be the end of their political (and probably any other too) career; that is duress. We didn't call Xinjiang internment camps "vocational schools" which is what they officially called. Also there are no checks and balances, are there? The only "check" is whether you are loyal to Xi and the CCP and the "balance" is that 2980 out of 2980 seats are pro-government. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Abcmaxx. While we aren't here to right great wrongs, I feel this is a case where we shouldn't use term "elected". I'm not sure what the proper term to use is, but "anointed" feels proper. "Chooses" seems to be a good compromise nonetheless. - Floydian τ ¢ 20:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, It is a significant event in history of China for a leader to be "elected" three times in a row, the CCP had never, since Mao, elected a leader more times than two, blurb seems good to go. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support Through Socialism with Chinese characteristics, China has eradicated poverty, homelessness and illiteracy. The capitalists are represented through the party to keep them from being compradors, and are kept in line, with Xi Jinping thought now nationalizing and controlling the private rapidly. The genius of Deng's theory is keeping the dictatorship of the workers while also using the benefits of global capitalism to build the revolution. America's fate was sealed when Deng inherited a broken China and built it into a superpower. LONG LIVE DENG XIAOPING THOUGHT! LONG LIVE CHINA! Buck3983 (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
he's also technically a dictator, but I'm sceptical about "elected dictator" would get consensus. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree - I would prefer selects or chooses, rather than elects. On another note, I am concerned by Sca's unusual fervour in trying to shout down this nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:22, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note Alt4, offered above by the alleged shouter. -- Sca (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's actually pretty good - thank you. Support Alt4. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 as the best of the blurbs (I would also be happy with 'appoints' instead of 'elects'). The congress article still has an orange-level tag, but Xi's looks fine so we could use that as the only bold link. Modest Genius talk 15:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Alt 1 with the variation "chooses", as apparently the most-supported option. Discussion whether the more concise Alt 4 would be preferable can continue. Sandstein 15:40, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Alt4's "confirms" is closer to the reality. As often noted, this was all pre-planned. -- Sca (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt4, as the best terminology for a Kangaroo election, and per my comment above. -
  • Reported error. He was not elected (or selected) by the party congress, but rather the 1st plenum of the 20th Central Committee, an entirely distinct body that meets only after the conclusion of the congress. Also easier to just use the term "Named" as it's basically neutral and avoids having value-judgment laden discussions around the term "elected" or "chosen". Colipon+(Talk) 22:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Current blurb using "is named" is a good solution. Thanks to whomever. -- Sca (talk) 12:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Rodney Graham

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Article: Rodney Graham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vancouver Sun; CBC News; ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Pablo Eisenberg

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Article: Pablo Eisenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 22); died on October 18. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dietrich Mateschitz

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Article: Dietrich Mateschitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Significant businessman and motorsports figure as well. The article for him is shorter than expected, but it seems to be pretty well sourced except for one piece of personal life that could reasonably be removed anyways as unsourced. TartarTorte 22:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Josephine Melville

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Article: Josephine Melville (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: tragic death in unusual circumstances. Article needs a lot of expansion but actually has potential as there are enough citations and sources. Only created today though but worth nominating to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Giorgia Meloni sworn as PM

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Article: Giorgia Meloni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni is sworn in as Prime Minister of Italy, becoming the first woman to hold the position. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Currently in Portal:Current Events, we got Ulf Kristersson's ascension to Swedish PM. On the last discussion, somebody said that the portal will post results, but not government formation results; not sure Ulf Kristersson's premiership being listed is congruent with this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 675930s (talkcontribs) 04:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Meloni becomes Italian PM

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Article: Giorgia Meloni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Giorgia Meloni is designated Prime Minister of Italy by President Sergio Mattarella, becoming the first woman in the role. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Giorgia Meloni succeeds Mario Draghi as Prime Minister of Italy, following an agreement among members of the right-wing coalition.
News source(s): ABC The Australian Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
@Amakuru: You have re-opened the wrong nomination. Meloni has already taken over as the new PM of Italy, so both the header of this nom ("Aftermath ...") and the blurb are obsolete. There was a nom from Oct 22 ("Giorgia Meloni sworn as PM") that is more appropriate for re-opening. Nsk92 (talk) 12:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're not wrong, but let's not make this situation anymore confusing than it is already. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:37, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well I asked about this at WT:ITN and the view seemed to be that this was the legitimate original nom, while the other one was closed as a duplicate. Anyway, I've amended the header above and proposed an alt blurb which describes the latest newsworthy development. Also labelled it ITNR, although others may differ on that... Nobody has responded to my points yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I have fixed the three table references so I think this one is good to go now. Upgrading to full support. I'll mark as ATTENTION NEEDED in the hope it gets some eyeballs. Would be good to get more opinions on whether it actually merits posting. As noted, I think it's basically the same situation as Sweden, but others' mileage may vary.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Gus Stavros

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Article: Gus Stavros (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tampa Bay Times; University of South Florida
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 21); died on October 18. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Bolla

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Article: Jim Bolla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Las Vegas Review-Journal
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harry White (jockey)

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Article: Harry White (jockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News; The Age; Victoria Racing Club
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Schjeldahl

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Article: Peter Schjeldahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; ARTnews
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election

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Article: October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22], [23]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: this is a upcoming leadership election that will happened on 24–28 October 2022. 4me689 (talk) 17:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: May Blood, Baroness Blood

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Article: May Blood, Baroness Blood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Belfast Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British politician, I've added a missing ref and trimmed some uncited stuf - Dumelow (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Blanche Lemco van Ginkel

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Article: Blanche Lemco van Ginkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canadian Architect
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A few CN tags. Curbon7 (talk) 23:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bettye Crutcher

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Article: Bettye Crutcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [24]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucy Simon

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Article: Lucy Simon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press; Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:44, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian liquid medicine ban

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Article: Toxic cough syrup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indonesia bans all liquid medicines after the deaths of almost 100 children from toxic cough syrup. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article could use a little more detail but worth starting a debate on significance I think. A large number of deaths and a ban affecting the fourth-most populous country in the world feels pretty significant - Dumelow (talk) 06:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Haitian crisis

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Article: 2022 Haitian crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo in Haiti, amid an ongoing crisis of armed gang violence, economic inflation, acute hunger, cholera, and civil unrest. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amid a socioeconomic and political crisis in Haiti, the United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo aimed at armed gangs in the country.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amid a humanitarian crisis in Haiti of economic inflation, widespread hunger, and civil unrest, the United Nations Security Council approves a travel ban and arms embargo aimed at armed gangs in the country.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In response to armed gangs blockading Haiti's largest fuel depot, the United Nations Security Council approves sanctions on the country, amid a humanitarian crisis of economic inflation, widespread hunger, and civil unrest.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Associated Press, CBS News, France24, Reuters, United Nations
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unfortunately the page in question, 2018–2022 Haitian protests, needs work. I've updated it with some recent developments and citations, but there still seems to be some information missing, as well as prose that can be improved. Before I looked at it earlier today, the article mentioned both the president of Haiti up to 2021, and the current prime minister, but neglected to note that the current prime minister took office as a result of the president being assassinated. It might even be worth considering splitting this topic into more than one article (i.e. Mahsa Amini protests, 2021–2022 Iranian protests, 2019–2020 Iranian protests, etc.).

(Posted) Liz Truss resignation

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Articles: Liz Truss (talk · history · tag) and October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Amid a government crisis, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Liz Truss (pictured) announces her resignation, becoming the shortest-serving prime minister in British history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Liz Truss (pictured) resigns after six weeks in office.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Liz Truss (pictured) announces her forthcoming resignation after six weeks in office,
Alternative blurb III: After [only?] six weeks in office, UK Prime Minister Liz Truss (pictured) announces her forthcoming resignation.
News source(s): BBC News, AP, Guardian, DW, France 24, AlJazeera, [26]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: She has handed her resignation to the king, making this the relevant moment (we posted Boris Johnson's resignation at the equivalent time). She will remain in office during the October 2022 Conservative Party leadership election (UK) Smurrayinchester 12:43, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Just as I was writing my 'Oppose' vote for the other nomination, this gets announced.
This is huge news, a massive leadership crisis in a major power. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support seems good to me. - 125.59.140.165 (talk) 12:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This nomination and the one immediately below should be merged as they are basically the same story. Never mind, I see the government crisis one is an Ongoing nom. But I think a blurb would be preferable. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, with preference to alt 1 as simpler. — Ixtal ( T / C ) Non nobis solum. 12:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HurricaneEdgar, "her". — Nythar (💬-🎃) 13:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but prefer alt 1 as shorter and less pointed. Ceoil (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support With Image replacing Swedish Prime Minister. Frzzl (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major story and historic significance given how short tenure is BeaujolaisFortune (talk) 13:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
— "Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Liz Truss" seems quite unwieldy. Suggest change to "United Kingdom Prime Minister Liz Truss," or even "UK Prime Minister Liz Truss, with "Prime Minister" linked to Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. (Every reader of English Wiki who's even halfway literate knows UK stands for United Kingdom.)
Also, since "Prime Minister" has already been mentioned, suggest replace second "Prime Minister" with the widely used abbreviation "PM." – Sca (talk) 15:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is called a false title, and is deprecated in British English. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This may be an unpopular position in much of the Anglosphere, but personally I think headlines benefit from the correct use of articles, prepositions, and so on. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This would definitely be a good article to post, I was planning on waiting until the new successor is announced, and then merge the articles, but this seems like it could be news by itself. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt1 4me689 (talk) 13:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Current blurb – Amid a government crisis in the United Kingdom, Prime Minister Liz Truss (pictured) announces her resignation – reads much better. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with this suggestion. And also, I think it would be best to add the "shortest-serving prime minister in British history" bit after the leadership contest is done. Vida0007 (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This has made front page headlines internationally. All of the blurbs seem fine to me, and I have no strong preference about which one should be featured.4meter4 (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) UK political meltdown

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Article: October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Usually I would be against posting something so UK centric and probably the first to oppose similar nominations. But it's decending into fisticuffs, something that would be unimaginable in a place famous for its restraint just a few months ago. The new PM is about to be ousted after barely starting, half the top minister already resigned. The currency is tanking. Scotland is pushing for independence. Nearly every labour union is on strike or planning one. It's in the news every day, not just in the UK. To the unconvinced here is an interview with Tory Charles Walker absolutely tearing into his own: BBC News. It's a political meltdown of epic proportions that I believe is worth nominating. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Wait until there's actually action to any of the 'major events' that the nominator has proposed is happening. Scotland is pushing towards independence? All talk until a referendum. Currency tanking? Worldwide event. EVERY labor union proposing a strike? We'll see. We have nothing but talk, speculation, rumors, and a politician mad at his own. ITN is not "UK Rumor Hour", it never has, and never will be. Cheers. WimePocy 11:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What we can't think of is that any government crisis has to be on Main Page. It's usual in every country in the world, and the Italianization of British politics forces us to see this more often. WimePocy is right. Speculation, individual resignations, miscellaneous messes and magnanimous statements mean nothing. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The political crisis is very real though, as are the resignations and implications of a dysfunctional government for its inhabitants. I mean the Conservative Party is literally descending into violence amongst each other (The Guardian), (BBC News), (The Independent). Abcmaxx (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is the type of day-to-day politics that WP should be staying far away from until the dust settles (summarizing after all is said and done), and in terms of ITN, the only thing we care about is if there's a another revolving door PM. --Masem (t) 12:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and Wait - If Truss ends up resigning, or if an election is called, then this can be posted. But as of the moment, this is just a particularily bad episode in UK politics, not ITN-worthy yet.
I would keep an eye on what's happening in the UK though. As you said, there are lots of events that could be very notable in the future, like Scottish and Northern Irish secessionist movements, economic crisis, etc. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This aged well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 19

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(Posted) RD: Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano)

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Article: Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 4meter4 (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dave Herman (American football)

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Article: Dave Herman (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Jets
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jay Owen Light

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Article: Jay Owen Light (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Harvard Business School
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 19); died on October 15. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charley Trippi

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Article: Charley Trippi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [28]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Mahsa Amini protests

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Article: Mahsa Amini protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: I'm not really sure if this meets the criteria for ongoing - not much substantial edits in the last few days and the timeline section is totally empty, linking to a separate article for which the updates are only until the protests on 17 October. Quantum XYZ (talk) 13:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose removal It's October 19, and the most recent substantive updates are only 2 days ago. There's at least 2 items from 17 October: Updated death figures from Iran Human Rights, and EU Sanctions issued. WP:ONGOING has some general rules of thumb for the Ongoing section, and generally "too old" is only if it is older than the oldest blurb; the oldest blurb is definitely older than 2 days old, so this is still being regularly updated by our standards for "regular". --Jayron32 13:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose removal - per Jayron32. Having the oldest blurb be the "cutoff" point for an ongoing item seems like a good rule of thumb PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ken Kortas

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Article: Ken Kortas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sentinel-News (Legacy.com)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 18); died on October 15. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harvey Wollman

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Article: Harvey Wollman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [29]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 04:03, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Robert Gordon (singer)

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Article: Robert Gordon (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American rockabilly singer. Thriley (talk) 03:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Valery Rubakov

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Article: Valery Rubakov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euro Weekly News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian physicist. I added a few details on his death - Dumelow (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • That he mentored multiple others appears to be sourced to the Russian Wikipedia rather than a reliable source, it'll be read for RD. More information about his personal life and death would be good if there is anything in reliable sources, if not the sections should be combined. Thryduulf (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Thryduulf, good spot. I've removed the mentoring bit and combined the last two sections. Will look to see if I can add anything from current reporting - Dumelow (talk) 12:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ole Ellefsæter

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Article: Ole Ellefsæter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): snl.no
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian lumberjack, Olympic champion in 50 km cross-country skiing, national champion in 3000 m steeplechase, and singer. Oceanh (talk) 11:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charlie Smithgall

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Article: Charlie Smithgall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lancaster Patriot
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Former mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Horst Metz

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Article: Horst Metz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Freie Presse
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician, served as minister of finance in Saxony. The article looks good to me. Would profit from a more formal infobox regarding his position, and perhaps recent updates, but as his political career was over more than 10 years ago, those might be minor. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles Duncan Jr.

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Article: Charles Duncan Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [30]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Michael Ponti

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Article: Michael Ponti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ - Gramophone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Virtuoso pianist who made the first recordings of some 50 unknown Romantic piano concertos, - article was there but shortish. There could still be more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Younoussi Touré

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Article: Younoussi Touré (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Benin Web
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Malian prime minister. I've added a ref for previously uncited info - Dumelow (talk) 10:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carmen Callil

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Article: Carmen Callil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; The Daily Telegraph; The Times
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Booker prize

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Articles: Shehan Karunatilaka (talk · history · tag) and The Seven Moons of Maali Almeida (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sri Lankan Shehan Karunatilaka wins the Booker Prize for The Seven Moons of Maali Almeida. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The book article is fine, but Shehan's needs a lot of sourcing work Masem (t) 12:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now I think the author's article needs to be beefed up a bit more. Also, correct the spelling to "Sri Lankan" in the blurb e.b. (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - No need to state what others stated above.BabbaQ (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Roberto Rojas

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Article: Roberto Rojas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Página Siete
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Krisgabwoosh (talk) 10:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good. thoroughly cited, well organized article. e.b. (talk) 14:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ulf Kristersson becomes PM

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Articles: Ulf Kristersson (talk · history · tag) and Tidö Agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ulf Kristersson (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Sweden, heading a government backed by the far right. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ulf Kristersson (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Sweden, heading a government of the centre-right bloc.
Alternative blurb II: Ulf Kristersson (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Sweden after the Tidö Agreement to form a government is passed in the Riksdag.
Alternative blurb III: Ulf Kristersson (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Sweden.
Alternative blurb IV: Ulf Kristersson (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Sweden by a coalition of three political parties.
News source(s): BBC, POLITICO, AP, Guardian, DW
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change in head of government of Sweden, per WP:ITNR. The far-right aspect mentioned in the blurb is what most major media focus on in reporting his election.  Sandstein 21:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - New Prime minister. Article is updated. The far right aspect is also interesting.BabbaQ (talk) 23:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality This news item is about the head of government being chosen and about the new government being formed as much as the person. However the Tidö Agreement has large parts uncited, is in an awkward format, and there is an ongoing merger proposal. The Ulf Kristersson only very briefly mentions him becoming prime minister, and given the seniority of the role I would expect much more especially as to how he came to be chosen. Article also very short and lacking detail about his political beliefs. Also "Leader of the Moderate Party" surely still counts as part of his biography; which is very much slanted towards party political career. He has also published numerous books and this part of his life is completely missing. Key elements of his businessman career are also missing. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Also far right is bias and wrong. See the agreement Page and voting areas. Economically Left (except maybe competitive corporate tax) and urban blue as opposed to globally rural right/conservative. 37.252.80.175 (talk) 00:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To avoid any bias in WP's reporting, it should be said that the new PM is leading a "centre-right bloc". --Masem (t) 02:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: Please do not edit blurbs to which others have responded; I've undone this because it violates WP:TPO. If needed you can propose an alternate blurb (I have no real preference one way or the other). Note that Tidö Agreement is not the nominated article. Sandstein 07:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Tidö Agreement is very much central to new PM bring chosen, as is the creation of the Kristersson Cabinet. And SD is very much a far-right party, just the other day they had to discipline their own MP for publicly making insulting comments about Anne Frank. It is one of the few major parties still in existence that was openly neo-nazi. We should not be diluting their position just because they are part of a new government. Even as a coalition there is not much "centre" about it, they are pretty deeply entrenched on that wing in many aspects, even if you discount the SD. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein:, you may not have noticed but this isn’t a talk page. You don’t own the blurb, it’s the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Two editors have opined that the bloc is not far right, nor is that term used in the article. Stephen 09:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@StephenThis is a talk page in the sense that we are talking on it. And a basic tenet of Wikipedia etiquette is to not alter proposals that others have replied to because it makes it impossible to determine what, if any, proposal has consensus. Please add an alternate blurb if you wish to propose one. Sandstein 10:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, if anything not mentioning it would be biased. The SD is the biggest of the four, and without their backing they would not be in power. It's the first time anyone agreed to work with such an extremist party in Sweden. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:56, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are not extremist Haris920 (talk) 06:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternative blurb - New government of a major power in Northern Europe. I would prefer the alt blurb as it is more neutral. The Tidö Agreement page could use a little expansion though. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Nigerian flooding

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Article: 2022 Nigeria floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Floods kill hundreds in Nigeria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Floods in Nigeria result in more than 600 deaths and the displacement of more than a million people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The rising death toll of floods in Nigeria, which has displaced more than a million people in recent months, exceeds 600.
News source(s): BBC; CNN, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: There's lots of flooding around the world including Chad; Crete; Philippines;Pakistan; &c. The latest Nigerian floods seem to be the worst with hundreds of deaths which seems to dwarf the flash flood in Venezuela which we are currently blurbing. As cyclones and flooding are so common, I reckon we need an ongoing entry of some sort like a link to Weather of 2022... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 16

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(Posted) RD: Rollie Seltz

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Article: Rollie Seltz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St. Paul Pioneer Press (Legacy.com)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 16); died on October 13. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 French protests

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Article: 2022 French protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The protests following the oil and energy walkouts seem to become intense over the past days. Mhhossein talk 12:05, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since no foreign hands are trying to shape the demonstrations and no one tries to 10000 X the incidents by conducting 'influence operations'.[33][34]. --Mhhossein talk 12:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
uh? _-_Alsor (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Josef Somr

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Article: Josef Somr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Prague; Brno Daily (Czech News Agency)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Referenced. Looks good and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 14:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lodewijk van den Berg

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Article: Lodewijk van den Berg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOS (Dutch)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dutch-American astronaut, chemical engineer. - Indefensible (talk) 00:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Benjamin Civiletti

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Article: Benjamin Civiletti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: U.S. Attorney General under Jimmy Carter – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dilip Mahalanabis

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Article: Dilip Mahalanabis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian medical doctor. Article is yellow-tagged and needs some work before it can be ready for homepage. I am currently out on some off-wiki work. Will update on my return. If someone else has some time -- please feel free to get to it before me. Ktin (talk) 15:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Satya Mohan Joshi

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Article: Satya Mohan Joshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Kathmandu Post
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Known for his research on the history and culture of Nepal बडा काजी (talk) 13:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thryduulf:, please take a look. I have added references to cite the biography and notable works section. Thanks--Biplab Anand (Talk) 01:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Biplab Anand: All works listed in notable works should have a ref or ISBN. SpencerT•C 03:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Spencer: done now.--Biplab Anand (Talk) 04:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Manoj Singh Mandavi

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Article: Manoj Singh Mandavi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician. I've added his death to the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party

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Article: 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, CNN, FT, BBC, Reuters, AlJazeera
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Major Chinese political event started today. - Indefensible (talk) 06:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Major political event in one of the biggest global powers. This congress in particular may be one of the most consequential in Chinese history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Muhammad Uzair Shams

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Article: Muhammad Uzair Shams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [35] [36] [37]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Ainty Painty (talk) 04:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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October 15

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(Posted) RD: Tullio Pozzan

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Article: Tullio Pozzan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Mattino (in Italian)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian biomedical researcher. I've updated the article and expanded it a little - Dumelow (talk) 07:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Evin Prison fire

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Article: Evin Prison fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Evin Prison, Iran's primary facility for detention of political prisoners, catches fire. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Evin is a major prison in Iran and has houses almost all political prisoners since 1972, it catching fire during the current protests occurring is an important event. – Berrely • TC 22:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No reports of fatalities, and appears to be connected to the ongoing riots in Iran, so its covered in ongoing as well. Masem (t) 22:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I do see single-figure digits of deaths in news, but I still believe this is all tied to the ongoing riots. And as noted by PrecariousWorlds below, its still very stubby as to coverage. Masem (t) 15:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If Riker's Island caught fire, I'm not sure there would be much interest in posting that. So if you consider this an equivalent event, even if you factor in the protest element, I'm not sure there's much significance here.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 23:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Covered in ongoing, and the information on Wikipedia about the fire only consists of a short blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Amasra mine explosion

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Article: Amasra mine explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A coal mine explosion in Amasra, Turkey, kills more than 40 people. (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, Reuters, AlJazeera
Credits:

 Contributor008 (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Stub, low quality, grammar and structure issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality per The Kip. After article issues are sorted, support. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality - per echidna. After article issues are fixed, support. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Muhammad Noor Meskanzai

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Article: Muhammad Noor Meskanzai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN Be Express Pakistan Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 14

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(Posted) RD: Étienne Gaboury

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Article: Étienne Gaboury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Winnipeg Free Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kay Parker

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Article: Kay Parker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AVN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former porn star from the Golden Age of Porn. The article is a decent shape. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mariana Nicolesco

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Article: Mariana Nicolesco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Libertatea (in Romanian)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Internationally celebrated Romanian soprano, regular at La Scala and other leading opera houses from the 1970s to the 1990s, first concert in her native country in 1991 after the fall of the Iron Curtain, but now remembered only there (at least so far). I thought updating was easy, but no, almost all the many refs in Romanian, many of them no longer accessible, the link to her Grove entry gone, same for the La Scala archives. Thank goodness the Romanian Academy has much detail, but again in Romanian. Help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Katsuya Kitamura

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Article: Katsuya Kitamura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, Tokyo Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on October 12, announced today. The Kip (talk) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marion Boyd

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Article: Marion Boyd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; The London Free Press; Blackburn News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported in a reliable source today (October 14); died on October 11. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robbie Coltrane

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Article: Robbie Coltrane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; Sky News; The Guardian; CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very notable actor. greyzxq talk 16:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 13

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(Posted) RD: James McDivitt

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Article: James McDivitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:42, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Yurii Kerpatenko

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Article: Yurii Kerpatenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Date the death was announced. Article could use some expansion. TJMSmith (talk) 19:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Moe Savransky

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Article: Moe Savransky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dignity Memorial
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Butler

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Article: Peter Butler (golfer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Peter Butler (1932 - 2022)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English golfer. Exact date of death currently unknown. Nigej (talk) 10:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Schank

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Article: Mike Schank (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Variety, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 —Matthew - (talk) 07:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jon Brittenum

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Article: Jon Brittenum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Spender

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Article: John Spender (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [38]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austalian politician and diplomat, I've addressed the missing citations that I found - Dumelow (talk) 07:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ben Stevens

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Article: Ben Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [39]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose — I'm starting to wonder if you indiscriminately nominate content in "throw it against the wall and see what sticks" fashion. A substantial portion of the article is a WP:COATRACK to either Ted Stevens or Alaska political corruption probe. Any attempts to make it an actual biography of Ben Stevens appear to be purely an afterthought. Adding a fair-use image the day after he died very likely runs seriously afoul of policy. Claiming it's an example of "article quality" merely because it has X number of citations would serve no purpose but to show how out of touch some of you are. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please focus your comments on the wikipage nominated for ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 10:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not an "indiscriminate" nomination, but I agree not discriminating enough. I nominated a politician who was the son of a notable politician. Then I trimmed some cruft and seeing it after, I do agree that too much of the content is his being investigated. This would require lots of work to improve to posting and I might not do it. I will note that I did not add the image or claim that this was at all "article quality". – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruce Sutter

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Article: Bruce Sutter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: G.O.A.T. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeff Barnaby

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Article: Jeff Barnaby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; The Hamilton Spectator (Canadian Press)
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Bruce Pairaudeau

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Article: Bruce Pairaudeau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN; Stuff; The New Zealand Herald (Legacy.com)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported in a reliable source today (October 13); died on October 9. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Altaf Ahmad Shah

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Article: Altaf Ahmad Shah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Kashmir Life, Tribune
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 01:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 12

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Business and economy

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Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Bernardo Adam Ferrero

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Article: Bernardo Adam Ferrero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Levante (in Spanish)
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Nominator's comments: Composer and conductor of band music, in Spain but played worldwide it sems. Had no article in English, so it took a few days to struggle with Spanish refs only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dariusz Raczyński

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Article: Dariusz Raczyński (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 90minut.pl/Lechia.net
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Nominator's comments: Short but well referenced. Lechia Gdańsk legend. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed @Thryduulf: please re-evaluate? Abcmaxx (talk) 10:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Andy Detwiler

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Article: Andy Detwiler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Nominator's comments: It's a new article and so still expanding. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucious Jackson

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Article: Lucious Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SI
Credits:

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 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Allan Wood

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Article: Allan Wood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Swimming World
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Reported today, died "this week". Australian Olympic swimmer. I've expanded a little and added section headers - Dumelow (talk) 09:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Leon Burton

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Article: Leon Burton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Grand Rapids Press (Legacy.com)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 11); died on October 7. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Willie Spence

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Article: Willie Spence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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 Elli (talk | contribs) 04:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Crozier

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Article: Joe Crozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [41]
Credits:

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 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article seems fine Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles Sherrod

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Article: Charles Sherrod (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [42]
Credits:

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 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Leonard Kriegel

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Article: Leonard Kriegel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported in a reliable source today (October 11); died on September 25. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Angela Lansbury

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Article: Angela Lansbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British-American actress Angela Lansbury (pictured) dies at 96 (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
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Nominator's comments: Article is a Good Article. Supporting blurb seeing how she's a legendary actress with a long career (see her Honours and legacy section). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD and Blurb. Prolific career.
NoahTalk 20:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Were there many film stars and award nominees who were lead actors on TV in 80s? I think she changed the rule that film actor doesn't appear in the long-running series in a lead role. Kirill C1 (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - We can't do this. We can't set the blurb standard to be 'sui generis' and then pivot away from it just for an actor or actress who is beloved. We also don't blurb someone for longevity, unless they happen to be the oldest person on planet Earth (and even then, I think people would still push back on it). We also need to be aware of our systemic bias here; actors comprise the second most posted death entry on ITN, behind sportspeople. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 23:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb She was an awesome actor, but not lauded enough in her time, and I'm not seeing enough widespread notice to convince me that she's worthy of a blurb. -- Kicking222 (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I don’t see how she was more notable than Lauren Bacall and Olivia de Havilland who didn’t get a blurb (not to mention the male actors such as Kirk Douglas and Christopher Plummer).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Seeing how Betty White got blurbed I don't think we should repeat the mistakes of not blurbing Douglas, Plummer, de Havilland, etc. I think the arguments made to blurb Betty are applicable to Lansbury. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn’t have even agreed with Betty White getting a blurb. Longevity is one criteria, but I think the main transformative criteria is more important. Did the medium of television change permanently as a result of Betty White, the way it did with Lucille Ball, Jackie Gleason, Mary Tyler Moore, Carol O’Conner, etc.? I don’t think you can argue it did. I’m sure we’ll all be back having this same debate though when Norman Lear passes away Spman (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think those should have been blurbed and don't think that them not getting blurb should count against Lansbury. Otherwise I would point to Dilip Kumar and Betty White, who were less famous and got blurbed. Betty White, in particular, got far less awards recognition. Kirill C1 (talk) 06:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photo RD As a man who knows publicity art when he sees it, I'm leaning 1966, but no pressure. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Israeli–Lebanese maritime border dispute

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Article: Israeli–Lebanese maritime border dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An agreement was made between Israel and Lebanon to resolve a decades-long maritime border dispute. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The maritime border dispute between Lebanon and Israel over the Karish and Qana gas fields is resolved
News source(s): Gulf News, Reuters

Nominator's comments: Referred to as a historic agreement between the 2 rival nations. Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • If there is going to be a blurb, and I dont think there should be, it cant be the first one, as there is no agreement with Israel and Lebanon, rather there are two agreed to but not yet signed agreements, one between Israel and the United States and one between Lebanon and the United States. nableezy - 14:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I fall into the neutral camp as I see valid cause on both sides here. On one end, this isn't as widely covered as we prefer, but at the other, it is the end of a significant 75 year old dispute. Additionally, as Mount Patagonia stated, the article is pretty poor at the moment. Curbon7 (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That 74 year dispute bit is unsourced, and nonsense. The border had never been demarcated that is true, but it only became a matter of dispute with the discovery of the gas fields in 2009, and negotiations commenced in 2020. The article is just puffing this up for reasons I cannot readily discern. nableezy - 01:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait to amend article then Support—I disagree with PrecariousWorlds, nableezy, and Mr Reading Turtle that it is not notable enough or not been widely covered. It has been reported by BBC World and The Guardian who have both labelled it historic. I do however agree with Mount Patagonia that the article is not ready. It does address its background and context but it is incorrectly describing things in the lead that does not exist in the body (WP:CREATELEAD). That whole second lead paragraph needs to moved to a new "background" section, then have the lead reflect that instead. Then I think it would be good to go. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2022 (UTC) EDIT: Changed to support after concerns addressed by Prodrummer619 below, strikedthrough outdated comments JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Should add that I support the Altblurb JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 21:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I feel like I've greatly developed the article now Prodrummer619 (talk) 20:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nikki Finke

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Article: Nikki Finke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: Well-sourced, seems to be almost ready. Mooonswimmer 13:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Dick Ellsworth

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Article: Dick Ellsworth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [45]
Credits:

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 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Angus Trumble

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Article: Angus Trumble (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Canberra Times; Canberra CityNews
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported in a reliable source today (October 10); died on October 8. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Callan

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Article: Michael Callan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
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Nominator's comments: Just need to cite the filmography – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Roberts (basketball)

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Article: Joe Roberts (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Columbus Dispatch
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Article updated
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(Posted) Hurricane Julia

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Article: Hurricane Julia (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hurricane Julia kills at least 64 across South and Central America. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, ABC
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Nominator's comments: The article could be longer, but this is comparable with Ian's devestation. Masem (t) 02:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the exact conversation that came up in Hurricane Ian’s nomination. Basically for natural disasters, they can be dissipated/ended before nomination/posting, which allows for a clearer picture of the actual numbers/damage/impact. So basically your oppose !vote means nothing since it has already been discussed in the past. Elijahandskip (talk) 08:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe so. I don't think 64 is right either since the Venezuela section only mentions 30 (sourced) and the chart mentions 37. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And that "at least 30" cites articles saying "at least 22" or exactly "35"...Strong Wait! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Art Laboe

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Article: Art Laboe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VarietyNBC
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Nominator's comments: Needs cleanup, citations. Mooonswimmer 01:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Lesotho general election

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Article: 2022 Lesotho general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The RFP wins a plurality of seats in the National Assembly in the Lesotho general election. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: It's election fever around the world it seems! This article will be fine once the infobox is sorted and official results and reactions are added. A little expansion overall would be nice too. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mass bombing of Ukrainian cities

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Article: 10 October 2022 missile strikes on Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 10 people are killed by bombings in multiple Ukrainian cities, including Kiev. (Post)
News source(s): FT, Guardian
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: If we consider the Crimea bridge explosion to be worthy of posting as an independent item not covered by ongoing, then I believe this is in the same category. It's one thing in a war when military targets are attacked, but this is a deliberate retaliation against citizens and civilian infrastructure. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I might indeed consider something like this more notable than the bridge explosion, personally. However, I'd rather wait a bit to see the article and events develop. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Part of the wider picture, as it's "revenge" for the bridge blast. [47] [48] [49] [50] One more bloody chapter in the ongoing Russian war on Ukraine. – Sca (talk) 15:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Per the nom comments this is related to the Crimea explosion, it should then be proposed therein itself as it is still open. If taken as an independent proposal, ongoing exists for a reason. Gotitbro (talk) 16:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There's just too much information there to cram into the Crimea bombing blurb. In order to express the significance of both items, you'd need to make a very, very large blurb. And then we would have to be careful to state that Russia assigned blame for the bombing on the Ukrainian government, rather than declaring outright that is what happened. And I believe the significance of this - the escalation of hitting civilian targets, especially those in major cities - merits its own independent proposal. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. How about this: "After Ukraine's attack on the Crimean bridge, Russia bombs several Ukrainian cities, killing at least 10 people.". In this way, we're not saying that Russia retaliated against Ukraine's attack on the bridge (although Putin says so, but Ukraine denies it), but we're merely stating the sequence of events that occurred. MSN12102001 (talk) 17:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Such measures have been common place during this war. Russian troops have bombed maternity wards and schools. Nothing new here.
NoahTalk 17:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Good grief people. It's a war. People and things get blown up in wars. We have it listed in ongoing. If someone sets off a nuke drop me a line. I'd probably support that. Otherwise, can we please stop with the constant nominations of every significant development? -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While people and things get blown up is normal, such blatant war crimes, designed to target civilians, and create maximum casualties during rush hour is unprecedented, even in this invasion and war. Nfitz (talk) 21:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am assuming you have a very limited knowledge of the history of war. This is all SOP for Russia and the USSR in its various military campaigns. Wars where international law is respected are the exception, not the rule. This is all fairly mild stuff compared to what went on in WWII. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that's unnecessarily pointy, User:Ad Orientem! Sure, worse horrors have happened in the history of warfare. But Russia isn't using rartillery or aerial bombings here, where stuff misses, or aiming at a military target, and there's vast collateral damage. They are using very precise cruise missiles, such as the Kh-101 which is accurate within a few metres. As far as I know, the simultaneous use of 80+ precisely targeted cruise missiles, hitting civilian parks, city streets, office towers, and apartment buildings (and admittedly some power facilities), in a way to maximize civilian casualties, and then publicly admitting to having done it in revenge for attacks on a military supply line, is completely unprecedented. But as you must know more than I do about the use of such precise cruise missiles, User:Ad Orientem, perhaps you can remind me of what attack I have forgotten? Nfitz (talk) 03:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind world wars, it's milder than either the Zaporizhzhia civilian convoy attack or its more recent See Also. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Who would indite him and even if they did would it have made any difference? If it was that easy he would have been in The Hague back in 2000 after ethnically cleansing Grozny en masse. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure it's relevant who indicts him - though surely he has indited himself! :) Nfitz (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences

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  • I'm going to stress again that the individual year articles that have come up a couple times are highly questionable because of the list of possible winners. The Nobel shortlists are not revealed to the public until years after the award is given, so this is just a hypothetical list, even if the sources are types that say "So-and-so should be a frontrunner for the Nobel..." Take away the list, and all you have are details that should be on each bio page or the main list article. --Masem (t) 12:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mulayam Singh Yadav

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(Posted) RD: Chuck Deardorf

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(Closed) 2022 Los Angeles City Council controversy

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  • Oppose Not relevant to a large enough geographical area. NoahTalk 21:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Los Angeles is the second largest city in the United States, and there has been a call from President Biden for the involved councilmembers to resign. I believe the relevancy should not be understated here. riffic (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - This may surprise folks, given I was the one who created the article in the first place. However, municipal politics like this is not even front page news in the United States, so it is unlikely to meet the threshold of being interesting to a global audience. - Fuzheado | Talk 21:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - No policies will change, and local resignations due to abusive behaviour typically will result in another person from the same party taking over. Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If we cover this, then we should of course then cover the Kanye West breakdown from last weekend. Which, no. We are living in times where predominate people speak poorly and in racist/sexist/x-ist tones, in public or private, and raise complaints from others. Unless this disposes a major world leader this type of stuff is status quo.--Masem (t) 21:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I'm not going to call for a SNOW close like I might normally do in this situation. But it's pretty chilly outside nevertheless. This is the City Council, mind you. This is not even the state legislature or the governor's office. And even then, we do not go out looking for outrage stories (we get plenty of those just in Wikipedia itself!). For something like this to be truly newsworthy, it would have to shift the tectonic plates of global politics somehow.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 23:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Simply not significant enough due to the municipal nature of this. Curbon7 (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Anthony M. DeLuca

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(Closed) 2022 Austrian presidential election

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Oppose—article is not awful but election is for a de facto ceremonial figure by the sounds of it. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. He is better known figure, there were many Austrian chancellors (5) during his tenure,a nd he appointed them. He does have a large influence, it was dependent on him whether there were new elections. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Formula 1

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Oppose Still got four races left on the calender. Koltinn (talk) 22:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I had a proposed blurb that mentioned the Constructor's title remaining undecided, but it seems to have been replaced. Anarchyte (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Previously there have been posted ITN articles about the Drivers' Championship being won before the end of the season. For example, Hamilton won in Turkey in 2020 with 3 races afterwards, but it was posted after Turkey. Seems like sticking with precedent and trying to post it in a timely fashion, that Verstappen winning the Drivers' Championship deserves a mention after the race. TartarTorte 23:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Newsworthy event, also per WP: ITNR. Alt2 seems like the least clunky. Fireboltsilver (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Season summary section must be updated before posting to the main page. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I dont see sourced prose that says that Verstappen is actually the champion.—Bagumba (talk) 09:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Bagumba. The prose describing the season seems to come to a shuddering halt after the Belgian grand prix, in the "mid-season rounds" section. I assume we're into the late-season rounds by now, and there are four grands prix after Belgium including the one where the title was clinched.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Prose in season summary section is incomplete. Last race mentioned is the Belgian Grand Prix, four races ago, held on the 28th of August. If someone who desires this to be posted would fix that, I think this would then be sufficiently ready. --Jayron32 12:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for season summary update as mentioned above, support alt2 thereafter. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Billy Al Bengston

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(Posted) RD: Julian Hammond

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(Posted) RD: Jeff Jordan

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(Posted) RD: Frank Youso

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(Posted) RD: Grace Glueck

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(Posted) RD: André Chagnon

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(Posted) RD: Faustino López Vargas

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(Posted) 2022 Crimean Bridge explosion

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The BBC also states "It is hard to exaggerate the significance, and symbolism, of seeing the bridge - which was opened by President Putin - on fire." [53] 331dot (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
True, but does "significance and symbolism" in any way imply heavily damaged? The BBC expert's comment "The lack of obvious blast / fragmentation damage" seems more pertinent. Though if you look at the video given, it does seem one road carriageway section has collapsed between one pair of pillars. Rwendland (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If the Ogdensburg–Prescott International Bridge suffered temporary structural failure and two or three people were killed, I don't think we would post that, no matter what the symbolism of it would be. I think it'd be SNOW closed. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 21:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. – Sca (talk) 22:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Considering there is another bridge 50 km upstream; it hardly comparable. This is the only road/rail link Crimea has to the rest of Russia, and the longest bridge in Europe period. It is a critical piece of infrastructure that isn’t easily relieved by other infrastructure. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  22:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it is back in a reduced traffic-supporting mode. It will need repairs, but the "lifeblood" this bridge provided is absolutely still there. Masem (t) 23:12, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
War evokes strong emotions, yes it uses colourful exaggeratory language to illustrate a point, but the point itself made is a legitimate one even if one disagrees with it; ITN process can be frustrating although I'd much prefer such rationales weren't made, it needlessly escalates tensions. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why, User:WaltCip, that mentioning the next step in escalation that Russia is talking about, is "one of the most appalling rationales" you've ever seen, User:WaltCip; personally I'd have been less surprised by Russia using tactical nukes in the current theatre, than Ukraine blowing up such massive infrastructure a 100 km inside the front line. Nfitz (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We shouldn't be lowering our level of discourse to that of genocidal warmongering tyrants and psycho-manipulators though. I think the user objected to the general tone, and nonchalantly mulling over the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people if not millions and an armagedon could be seen as insensitive; you could have worded it a lot better to illustrate your point. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But this has now become a matter of semantics and to trivialize the Nfitz's original point as simply a matter of such is unreasonable. Wording was blunt, but the point regarding the coverage level of Ongoing stands. Ongoing presence is now being invoked to oppose a nom that has not been substantiated as related to the war itself. We can't unilaterally oppose anything related to this war simply because it's in Ongoing. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:37, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Background, Event and Reactions sections substantiate its relation to the war itself. The sources agree. Without the whole surrounding need for supply lines, provocation and morale boosts, this bridge is just concrete and the innocent victims are "only" a couple of adults. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't previously responded to this, but so far this war has had combat action since 2014 with Ukraine deaths at a little over 4,500 and Russian deaths at around 5,000. A tactical nuke would instantly result in the deaths of tens of thousands of troops within the span of a few seconds. Many people don't understand that the purpose of using a tactical nuke is for total and complete destruction of your enemy, just as it is with a strategic one. To insinuate that those who are opposing this item would also somehow be blind to the consequences and impact of what would be the first nuclear weapon used in combat since 1945 is not only a bad straw man argument, but it's also needlessly callous. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The assumption that the first use of a tactical nuke, User:Abcmaxx and User:WaltCip, would kill tens of thousands, let alone hundreds of thousands, is unlikely in my mind. I'd think such a use would be in the thousands at most, hopefully less. Russia has tactical nukes that are less than 0.5% of the bombs that the USA used in Japan - and less than 1% of WMDs such as the thermobaric bomb that the USA dropped on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border in 2017 - which had a lot of opposition at ITN, including by WaltCip. We are off-topic, but I certainly wasn't suggesting that anyone would dismiss a nuclear weapon that killed tens of thousands of people; I don't think Russia would start with such a large weapon, at least in an urban area. At the same time, I'm stunned that there'd be opposition at ITN to post the use by the USA of a weapon of mass destruction that was almost as big as the Hiroshima bomb. WaltCip actually referred to the 2017 attack as "Pentagon military propaganda". It makes one wonder if announcement of the 1945 atomic bombings was also "Pentagon military propaganda". Nfitz (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It didn't help that the bomb was being trumpeted as the "largest non-nuclear bomb" as if it were something to be proud of. At that time in U.S. history, I think we were all a bit leery of certain political figures using the military to try and score political points. I'm not saying for sure that was what was in the back of my mind when I opposed that nomination (I recall Trump wanting some enormous military weaponry parade on 4th of July or somesuch holiday), but I sensed the impact on ITN culture. In retrospect, I could have worded my rationale better. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would also add that it is likely the bridge was never meant to be completely destroyed. As Ukraine does not target any civilians (very opposite to Russia) Ukraine's objective is partly to make the Russians leave Crimea and the bridge is their only way out; there are already queues of panicking people trying to leave. Their other objective is to stop the supply of fuel and arms and those are mostly done via train; the train tracks have been destroyed, and nothing more than a normal passenger car will now be able to cross really via road. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Covered by ongoing... just another part of the war that has been going on for some time. Regardless of who actually bombed the bridge, this is a warzone. Things of this nature are expected to occur. NoahTalk 17:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Combine with the Russian strikes into one blurb. nableezy - 19:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but agree it should be combined with the blurb on the retaliatory Russian strikes nominated above. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and merge it with the strikes on Kiev. Together, this seems like something that is significant enough to warrant a blurb, and the articles are in decent enough shape. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still neutral, but adding an alt blurb 2 that includes the retaliatory strikes. Recommend that an admin assess consensus and either closes this or posts it. Sandstein 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Switching to weak support for posting both. I like these two articles, they are well-written and enlightening, and great representations of our coverage of this war. I will note that the ongoing item is still covering this subject terribly, which is a point in favor for putting our dedicated coverage on the front-page instead. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted with altblurb2. Regards SoWhy 10:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey Template:Ping sorry to be contrary but I don't see a consensus to post this, and there particularly isn't consensus to mention the bombings, which were explicitly rejected and closed above. This is covered by the Ongoing line item.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amakuru: I do see consensus to post the bridge attack. I have taken into account that multiple people (including yourself) have opposed due to the ongoing item being there but then again, a number of people also argued that ongoing does not necessarily cover this since the perpetrator is unknown and it might be argued that this area was not a war zone and people also argued in sufficient numbers that this should be posted despite being in ongoing. Also, while the argument is made frequently, there is no general consensus as far as I know (and certainly none in the WP:ITN page) that an item cannot be blurbed just because it falls under ongoing and this seems to be the consensus on WT:ITN for years now (for example, if Wikipedia had existed in 1945, I'm pretty sure we would have added a blurb for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki despite an ongoing "World War II" item). If you think there should be such a rule, feel free to start an RFC to amend the rules accordingly. As for the bombings, the consensus in this discussion was to add them after the proposal was made to merge them. That there was no consensus to post them as a separate item does not preclude posting them as part of this item. Regards SoWhy 12:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were brand new weapons with never-seen-before destruction and Japan surrendered shortly afterwards. This bridge explosion, as an ITN candidate, paled in comparison. You need a better reference point to be more convincing. Consensus may be developing, but we are not there yet. -- PFHLai (talk) 12:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai: I was pointing out that there is no rule preventing a blurb just because there is an ongoing item. The ad absurdum example merely served to illustrate this point (on a side note, no one would have known Japan would surrender shortly afterwards at the time of this hypothetical ITN discussion).Template:PbWhen assessing consensus in a discussion, one of the key points is to consider the strength of the arguments and arguments that invoke a rule that does not exist (e.g. "Oppose because ongoing") logically have to be considered weaker. I do acknowledge that the existence of an ongoing item is relevant when judging whether an item should be featured independently or whether it is something readers will expect to see as part of the coverage in the ongoing item. However, that does not preclude an independent entry if there is consensus to feature it despite the existence of the ongoing item. And in this case, I do believe there was such a consensus. Regards SoWhy 07:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq: While there is no rule that precludes a blurb for a related ongoing item, there is also no rule to discount !votes saying Ongoing is sufficient. To post a blurb or not w.r.t. to Ongoing is subject to consensus on a per-case basis. —Bagumba (talk) 07:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: Yes, that it Template:Xt is exactly my point. Logically though, any !vote that argues that something cannot be posted as a blurb just because an ongoing item exists, ignores this. I did not discount !votes that said they do not believe that this is not notable enough to rise above the coverage already provided by the ongoing item, an argument I myself have made in the past, because that on the other hand is a valid argument. Regards SoWhy 08:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @SoWhy: I can understand if that was your interpretation in this case. However, I see !votes like "covered by ongoing" as being ambiguous as to whether they mean "(Sufficiently) covered by ongoing" or "(Not allowed because) covered by ongoing". For me, I'd AGF and assume the former interprettion, else ask the !voter for clarification. —Bagumba (talk) 08:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Agree with Amakuru. The bridge blast, which failed to destroy the bridge, was posted prematurely, IMO. Missile attacks on Ukrainian cities are covered in Ongoing.Sca (talk) 12:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • About 60% favored posting this. That's not close to consensus. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. ITN doesn't work quite like AFD or RM, where line calls can be made; generally if there's very significant opposition then the default is not to post.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support for the actual combined blurb finally chosen. I was wavering on whether either of these would work separately, but the final synthesis seems sound. There has been a fair bit of hyperbole in the arguments for and against, some of it quite distasteful; I think the actual decision made was a good one. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pull—as per Amakuru and GreatCeasarsGhost. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 16:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support for combined blurb, seeing as there is a motion to pull and I forgot to provide an original vote. Yes there may not consensus, but that does not mean that is grounds alone to pull. I think combining the two provides a fuller picture of the collective events and should satisfy those who supported either or both noms. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's already posted now. While I didn't support the original blurb, I don't endorse pulling an item on a nom that was a split decision and thus down to administrator judgment.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 17:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am already on record as opposing, so this is not intended as a double !vote. That said, I agree with a number of comments above that there does not appear to be consensus to post this. And further there was a fairly clear consensus against posting Russia's retaliatory attacks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull per Amakuru. And we have ongoing event for the overall war already. – robertsky (talk) 16:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not in favor of pulling. Pulling would be amateurish & confusing to readers. And the blurb is not erroneous. -- Sca (talk) 17:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing suggests amateurish or confusing to readers. If anything, it suggests that consensus was not reached. Blurb isn't erroneous, but contrary to the ITN processes. If anything, pull the ongoing and the blurb remains? Surely not. – robertsky (talk) 17:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Readers don't care how the sausage is made. They just end up being puzzled by items appearing and suddenly disappearing from the Main Page, regardless of what process it took to get there. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Bismarck said people should never watch two things being made: sausage, and laws. – Sca (talk) 12:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It won't be the first or the last even if we pull the blurb. Why are we beholdened to such puzzlement? – robertsky (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it really any more "confusing" than blurbs getting knocked off the end or an edit anywhere on wikipedia that removes content? JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 22:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting opposehow many times do we have to say that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is already in Ongoing?? _-_Alsor (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pull. I didn't support the posting of the Russian missile attacks (though supported this) - but given that even Russia has made it clear that they are linked, I think linking them in the blurb is a very pragmatic approach. Nfitz (talk) 18:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pull. Agree that a pragmatic approach has been found. Not to rehash everything that has already been said, but a)having the war in Ongoing doesn't prevent us from posting individual events of that war if we deem them significant enough; b) this is not any random bridge that was attacked (the Antonivka bridge near Kherson has been bombarded multiple times), but rather a hugely symbolic one directly linked to V Putin and his annexation of Crimea. Anyway, enough said. Khuft (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There was no clear consensus to post this. This is the nth-time we have posted about a single event (more than even COVID-19), perhaps surappassing any other coverage on ITN. The votes reasoning with "Ongoing" inclusion do not mean it as a rule, but that this item does not go beyond its notability to be covered separately. I voted with the same ongoing reasoning here while also having previously voted to include the formal annexation by Russia. To discount these votes wholesale for being lazy or not justified enough (no one needs to argue the same point repeatedly with these noms having beome routine now) was poor judgement by Template:U. We are setting a bad precedent with the heightened/repeated coverage of this war for future ITN events. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Creeslough explosion

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I believe this is not true, it already has been reported worldwide, even the aftermath: DW - Germany, TVN24 - Poland, Washington Post - USA, Le Monde - France, News24 - South Africa. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article is a bit short. Is there a sourced rational for why it was overloaded (which the blurb implies was from shaping or evacuating from floods) Masem (t) 21:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ada Fisher

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(Posted) RD: Charles Bowsher

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(Posted) RD: Warren J. Baker

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(Posted) RD: Lorry I. Lokey

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(Posted) RD: Peter Robinson (novelist)

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(Posted) RD: Dave Dryden

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(Posted) RD: Sara Lee

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Nobel Peace Prize 2022

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(Posted) RD: Tyrone Davis (American football)

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RD: Günter Vetter

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  • The whole article is sourced to only two biographical websites. There is no independent coverage of his career. Stephen 22:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The two websites are his parliamentary biography and the national public broadcaster, so they're certainly reliable. Not many print sources talking about him. There are some news channels that talked about him, but I don't know Deutsch. Curbon7 (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jody Miller

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RD: Judy Tenuta

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(Posted) RD: Gian Piero Ventrone

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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Literature

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(Posted) Nong Bua Lamphu attack

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There isn't any doubt as to who did it. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Until that person's convicted, we assume innocent, per BLPCRIME. Yes, it seems unlikely anyone else could have done it, etc. but until the dust has settled, most such attack articles leave the identity of the shooter/attack vague until the conviction is secured. Masem (t) 12:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They shot and killed themself, so there won't be any trials. —Bagumba (talk) 12:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"You can't libel the dead." -- Old saying in the news biz. -- Sca (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can libel the dead's family. They're a suspect during this period. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Police identified the suspect as 34-year-old former police officer Panya Kamrap." -- AP
"Police named the attacker as Panya Kamrab." "Police say he ... killed himself and his family." -- BBC
"The gunman [was] named as ... Panya Khamrab." — "... before killing himself and his family." -- AlJazeera
Sca (talk) 13:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Identifying the suspect is different from reporting the crime using their name directly. Even in these suicide attacks we try to avoid naming the person in the description of events until an investigation is complete to assure that the suspect actually did it. Masem (t) 13:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
when the 2022 cetinje shooting was Template:Diff2, it looked like Template:Oldid2, and also named the only suspect as the perpetrator. i don't know how far into the suspect's family wp:suspect reaches, but the suspect also apparently killed his wife and children. dying (talk) 13:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall that at ITNC (not that it was here, just don't remember it) but I would have had the same issue there with thst, that until police close the investigation, the description of the event should not explicitly name the suspect. We can identify who the police have named, but avoid using that name is the breakdown of the event until police have settled that as fact with their invesyigation. Masem (t) 13:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ... pending development, cleanup of article. Significance dubious as it's another act of an apparent wacko, but the toll – 37, including 24 children – can't be ignored. Widely covered. Favor Alt2 or Alt3 because outside Thailand very few English-speakers will recognize the name of the province, either. — Sca (talk) 12:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Lenny Lipton

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(Posted) RD: Barbara Stamm

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(Posted) RD: Raymond Allen (scriptwriter)

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(Posted) RD: Tommy Boggs

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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Chemistry

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(Posted) RD: César Mascetti

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(Posted) RD: Shigeki Tanaka

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(Posted) RD: Jerry Vainisi

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(Posted) RD: Joan Hotchkis

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(Closed) Aaron Judge's 62nd Home Run

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  • Oppose Look, I'm a huge baseball fan, and a Yankees fan. Even though Judge is my favorite player since Jeter, I can't support this. The MLB record is 73, set by Barry Bonds. As much as we might like to overlook the steroid champion, we can't. Great for Judge, bad for the Yankees if he signs elsewhere as a free agent. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confused What, exactly, has been achieved here? The article linked is behind a paywall or wants me to sign up, so I looked elsewhere and found this. It shows this achievement at seventh place among the MLB all-time single-season home run list. Do American League players not hit as many home runs? (SIGNED: A non-American interested in baseball.) HiLo48 (talk) 01:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There were some records for single-season home run leader, then Babe Ruth came and broke them all. His personal best was 60 in the 1927 season. Then, Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961. Those were both in the American League. Then, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa both broke Maris' record in 1998 while playing in the National League. And Barry Bonds also surpassed it. The issue at play, and the only reason we're talking about the "American League record", is because McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds used performance-enhancing drugs. So, many don't see their records as "genuine", and are putting Judge's accomplishment this season ahead of the steroided seasons. But, MLB still recognizes 73 as the single-season home run record for MLB. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I'll think about this. HiLo48 (talk) 02:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Roger Maris Jr. has been pushing the idea that his father is still the "legit" record holder. Surely he's biased. I am so, so biased in favor of Judge and the Yankees myself, and Judge is having an amazing season. But, Bonds is still the record holder. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is one of the biggest records in baseball. The 3 guys you saw were all in peak steroid era (1998-2001, though the steroid era extended deeper into the 90s and 2000s then they started drug testing). The American League actually has slightly more home runs but by luck the 3 highest dopers were in the other sub-league of the top league. Unlike the Olympics major league baseball doesn't revoke accomplishments for cheating (the Houston team literally won the yearly world championship while cheating a few years ago and was punished but they didn't revoke their win). In cricket terms a home run is a six (each bounce boundary only causes a bit under 1 run on average, a bigger dropoff than 6 vs 4 in cricket) but there's only c. 1 home run per game per team on average and they cause 1.something (1.7-1.8 I think) out of 4.3 runs per game per team on average so they're actually rarer than soccer World Cup goals and about as valuable. In baseball you can fail to score even if you safely run 90 yards before fielders can get the ball to you, but just hit it over the boundary (300 to 400 feet away) and your team's guaranteed 1-4 runs (4 if you have 3 "batting partners"). Average c. 27 wickets and 140 deliveries per team in a Twenty20-length game and only 1 homer and 4-5 runs. 5 in the steroid and human growth hormone era. The recordholder literally injected etc so much of those drugs his skull visibly grew and he set it pimply-backed and muscular like a Greek god at age 36 after being skinny as a young man. Our roided up role models also got the side effect of small testicles and low ball testosterone, higher body fat, heart risk etc. Some of this damage is permanent. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The National League was always better at small ball. Levivich (talk) 07:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, regrettably. Many people regard this as the real record, but sadly it is only officially the AL record. IMO AL/NL records are not ITN worthy (and very possibly not MLB records as a whole, but that may be a topic for another day). DarkSide830 (talk) 02:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As pointed out, this is not the MLB record, just the AL record. --Masem (t) 02:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is literally inside baseball. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support blurb when ready. Being the most awarded female country artist in history and the article calling out "her groundbreaking role" certainly lean Lynn being transformative in her field. rawmustard (talk) 15:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment just don't forget to evaluate the quality of the article. I remain neutral on blurb, because country music is a genre that generally has popularity in a very specific country, so we are hardly in front of a singer massively popular worldwide. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Lots of sections without sources. Needs a lot of work just to get to RD. Not against a urb, but the quality isn't yet there for it. --Masem (t) 16:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for the usual reason. Will likely support a blurb if the article can be brought up to scratch. Subject was a titan in the country music genre. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I don’t agree that she was so influential in the history of country music. A great singer yes, but no contribution at all in popularising country music worldwide, which is what would make her transformative. She was definitely not of the same stature as Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Kenny Rogers or Dolly Parton.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If that's that's the company we're talking about, Rolling Stone [58] ranked them: 49.Rogers, 8.Parton, 6.Nelson, 4.Lynn, 3.Cash. Wide Open Country has Lynn, Cash, Parton, & Nelson among the 30 greatest. Bilboard [59] has 25.Rogers, 9.Lynn 5.Parton, 3.Nelson, 2.Cash GreatCaesarsGhost 19:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t say it. I’d rather argue that Hank Williams was perhaps the most influential country singer of all time but can’t include him because he died literally before all these four began their careers. Cash made a global tour to popularise country, Rogers and Parton did popularise it through their crossover music, but Lynn did not succeed in popularising it in any way. Country isn’t a mainstream music genre worldwide so that we can post a blurb for many singers. There must be something else other than a good voice that makes someone transformative.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You are welcome to whatever criteria you'd like to apply, but "transformative" was removed from the criteria for death blurbs some time ago. [60]GreatCaesarsGhost 20:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb subject to sourcing being fixed - perhaps as she was considered old style country rather than the crossover style she didn't appeal to that mass market like Dolly or Kenny, but a huge star and one of the most important country music figures nonetheless. RIP Josey Wales Parley 19:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Longtime household name among fans of U.S. country music. Widely covered. – Sca (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support more than enough evidence for her to be considered a noteworthy death per above. She may not have crossed over, but the evidence is overwhelming that she was iconic within the genre. If Jeff Carson can be on the front page, so can she.
Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 22:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support She’s way too influential to be ignored. The quality of the article is fine, but I understand we’re picky. Just a shame such a titan is being ignored… Donignacio (talk) 01:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, this is a long section for someone who is allegedly being "ignored". Help us fix the article and it'll be posted sooner. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion on the “nomination” page is not what I meant. The article itself appears in my estimation to be comprehensive, but I’m not picky. At this point, the time has passed, I’m afraid. I just wonder if there’s other motives at play. Donignacio (talk) 03:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Articles that are boldly linked on the main page need to be of high quality to represent WP's best work. Her article may be comprehensive, but its sourcing is presently shoddy and not representative of WP's best. That needs to be fixed before it can be posted. Masem (t) 12:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why the heck do people expect items to be posted in less than 24 hours? We've had anomalies of items that get posted even faster than that, sure, but it's not the norm around here. I'll never believe that it is. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you don't know how things work at ITN/C does not excuse the lack of good faith you are presuming with that Template:Tq crack. Our motive is posting sourced content. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I’m making an observation that, in my opinion, there is an injustice. An opportunity to highlight a transformative female figure lost. But sure, I’ll make it my personal mission to improve Loretta Lynn’s Wikipedia article. Donignacio (talk) 02:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That thing you just sarcastically dismissed- making it your personal mission to improve articles- is our entire purpose in being here. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was being serious. I just can’t improve the article at this particular moment. If I wanted to get sarcastic, I’d have brought up all the cricket players who show up on the front page. Donignacio (talk) 13:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, RD blurbs should be reserved for cases where sourcing could support a separate article on the death and funeral of the person. This occurs quite often, and is an indicator of how important the person was in the real world, instead of in the minds of those debating here. Abductive (reasoning) 06:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not true at all. The ability or existence of separate death article is a very likely reason to post a blurb, but not limited to that. Masem (t) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course it's true, as it is an opinion of mine and of some other editors. I will state my opinion every time a non-blurb-worthy person is nominated. Abductive (reasoning) 15:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb American country music fans is a pretty niche demographic, kinda like French hip hop fans or something. Not known widely enough for a blurb imo. AryKun (talk)
Incredible though it may seem to some of us, there are fans of 'American' country music outside the U.S. – Sca (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, Garth Brooks last month sold out an 80,000 capacity stadium in Dublin, Ireland on each of the 5 nights he performed Josey Wales Parley 21:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As did Michael Bublé and Robbie Williams, who are way more famous. I may enjoy a night in with a Bollywood film, a souvlaki take away, and a game of mahjong, but just as enjoying those things do not make those things any less Indian, Greek and Chinese respectively, neither does the fact people may enjoy country music outside the US make it any less American. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are indeed also French hip hop fans outside of the francophone world. Though I would very much love to blurb top-of-their-field people in niche genres, we'll also get Dolly Parton and Bob Dylan as US country blurbs in the future. US country is represented just fine, and Lynn isn't quite up there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind French hip-hop, we didn't even consider blurbing recently deceased American world hip-hop star Coolio! Abcmaxx (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can imagine a few world-famous American hip-hop stars we will certainly blurb when the time comes! Hopefully this won't be for a long time, however, as they're all still quite young ^_^ ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He was 59. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Subject to the article referencing being fixed up. Loretta Lynn's fame transcends country music - way more famous than the other people who have been mentioned here except Hank Williams (and would not be their opinion if you asked them). She is an important historical figure associated with the women's movement of the 1970s, through singing about topics previously considered taboo, such as birth control, domestic violence and double standards. Sissy Spacek won the Oscar for portraying her in the movie Coal Miner's Daughter. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Way more famous than the likes of Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton? I don't think that's likely. Humbledaisy (talk) 21:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Dolly Parton would not agree. Jack White from The White Stripes called her both a "mother figure" and "the greatest female singer-songwriter of the 20th century". "She was such an incredible presence and such a brilliant genius in ways that I think only people who got to work with her might know about. What she did for feminism, women's rights in a time period, in a genre of music that was the hardest to do it in, is just outstanding and will live on for a long time." [61] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Aye, in ways that I think only people who got to work with her might know about. I think a lot of us have lost a co-worker like that, maybe several, great people once you get to know them. As a mainstream music fan who also knows a thing or two about American pop culture until 2006, I'm almost certain Dolly Parton is the female country star. Then there's Shania, Reba and Faith. Loretta's not chopped liver, but neither are Leann, Tanya and Wynonna. Photo RD, when ready, if ever. No blurb for Jack White, either, whenever. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    important historical figure associated with the women's movement of the 1970s - maybe in US and on the country music scene but certainly not beyond it, and I cannot see any mention of her in the Second-wave feminism article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb – Adding a clearer !vote for the closing admin. I believe US country will be well-represented over time, and Loretta Lynn is just not quite up there. If this were a GA I might've swayed in favor, but all these one-sentence paragraphs just aren't great featuring material anyway. Article doesn't seem quite ready yet for RD either; I hope those citation-neededs will be fixed soon! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:17, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality Many outstanding Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems mostly resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 09:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have taken care of most of the cn tags. There are a few more to go. Any help would be appreciated. It would be a real shame if this didn’t make it to RD. Thriley (talk) 16:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physics

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(Posted) RD: Tiffany Jackson

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(Posted) RD: William K. Brewster

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(Posted) RD: Ron Franz

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Not just sports; he has several works in the Nattional Portrait Gallery and other collections, also. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jerzy Urban

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  • Comment Urban served as official spokesman of the Polish Communist regime in 1981-89. Infamous for press conference after the introduction of martial law on Dec. 13, 1981, during which 100 dissidents were killed. -- Bruzaholm (talk) 14:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment a key figure in Poland. I have expanded the article a bit, ultimately it doesn't really reflect just how much he was generally loathed in Poland, even among those who secretly enjoy the satire of Nie. More references needed regarding his early life. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
probably not blurb-worthy on en-wiki, but a photo may be appropriate? Abcmaxx (talk) 14:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IAR aside, I thought we had a policy that photos are for blurbs only. The most recent discussion I could find- [62] GreatCaesarsGhost 21:02, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Bosnian general election

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  • Good point. Although the image can be rotated or someone can make a collage with three (which I don’t know how to do and I preferred to put the pic of the only woman). In any case, we are in days of Nobel prizes, so it would hardly stand out many days a photo of the new members of the presidency in the event that this nomination succeeds. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed, as much as I love the idea of a rotating one, I think it's just easier not to include a picture. JackWilfred (talk) 09:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support AltBlurb and Oppose picture, as per above. JamesLewisBedford01 (talk) 08:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Bulgarian snap parliamentary election

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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

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(Closed) 2022 Brazilian general election

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  • Question Since this was a general election, covering also the totality of the Chamber of Deputies, parts of the Senate, the governors and state assemblies, shouldn't we at least post the results of the election to the Chamber of Deputies? The presidential election can then be posted on 30. October. Article wouldn't be ready yet - results of the legislative part of the elections hasn't been updated yet. Khuft (talk) 08:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Wait for the result of the run off. Then we can post the president and any legislative information relevant at that time.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment the ongoing nomination was closed and opposed as it was said that first round should be posted as a blurb. Now this nomination is being opposed too which I find inconsistent; in that case surely the ongoing nomination should be re-considered. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Neither of those things is appropriate. It is not "ongoing" in the usual sense, where there are daily updates to post. This is just a two-part election, and we'll post the result once the second part is complete.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Usually I would agree, however: most elections do not have daily political violence in the lead up nor the real possibility of an armed coup. Furthermore most elections do not have 156 million eligible voters spanning a large percentage of a whole continent. If anything this result will increase the amount of incidents in between rounds. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's a valid point, but would those day-to-day events be significant enough to feature on the main page? Keep in mind we have ongoing wars with thousands of deaths that never make the main page. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a coup then of course that it would be considered, regardless of everything else. So far, however, the only thing we got are leaked private conversations (which were about personal preferences and not actual plans), and excessive precautions. Lula asked the US to immediately recognize the winner (a part that the article did not mention), and the US accepted, for fear of an incident similar to that of Trump... and because it's the standard procedure, anyway. Cambalachero (talk) 12:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If violence is part of the significance of this item, then it should probably be included in the blurb. It would be nice if we could quantify the violence. This does warm me up for an ongoing spot. That being said, the violence should probably be quantified better in the lede of the article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's the other way. Polls before the election announced that Lula would win by a landslide, way ahead of Bolsonaro, and even enough to win without a runoff election. Although he won, he did so by a lower margin than expected, as Bolsonaro got more votes than expected. He was even wining when the first partial results were announced! Cambalachero (talk) 13:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh.  ;-) ... But still seems significant. – Sca (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Shirley Englehorn

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(Posted) RD: Laurence Silberman

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(Posted) RD: Sacheen Littlefeather

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RD: Darshan Dharmaraj

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(Posted) Ongoing: Mahsa Amini protests

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(Posted) 2022 London Marathon

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Done. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the race summary section hasn't been updated, though; in fact, Template:Oldid2 is still using future tense. for comparison, Template:Oldid2 is how the summary for last year's race looked like when the associated blurb was Template:Diff3. dying (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed the tense issues and updated who of the expected competitors actually ran but a prose summary is still required. Thryduulf (talk) 08:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Alpinista wins the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe

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    • Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's no reason to snow close. A recurring event can't become ITN/R until it passes ITN as a regular candidate. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Likewise I do not see why this should be closed just because it's not ITN/R. If we did that nothing would ever get posted bar a small handful of ever-diminishing number of recurring events.Abcmaxx (talk) 19:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, but what you cannot deny is that a sporting event is not the same as a political or scientific event. These last ones can be debated (as it has happened in so many other occasions correctly) and come to the conclusion that in spite of not being listed as ITNR, they might be notorious. But in sporting events, more simply, if they are no longer ITNR, they can hardly be ITN. I remind again that not everything that’s in the news, should be proposed here. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • Disagree, all items can be ITN if they are not ITN/R, just as all items can be reasonably debated; that is a core principle of Wikipedia. We also should not be weighting different topics differently either, that us a very slippery slope and poor precedent to set. If you object to the notability of the event then please state your case why, rather than trying to force through a blanket oppose with little merit. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • ITN/R is a page designed for more easily pushing through items. You cannot use it to argue that something shouldn't be featured. Is what you intended to say simply "I do not believe this event is at the level of importance required for ITN"? If so, I would like to know more about how it compares with other horse racing events and why it's so much less important. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        @Alsoriano97: You have it totally backwards. Items cannot be added to ITN/R until they have been nominated and posted through ITN. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        ok, thanks for the clarification. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality and significance. Contrary to the nomination text, most of the article is completely unreferenced and is quite short for a race that dates back to 1920. - Fuzheado | Talk 23:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Multiple "This section does not cite any sources" banners. Not appropriate for ITN if the article is not of sufficient quality. Not comment on significance. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The nomination should actually be for 2022 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, not the generic race page. In any event, that 2022 page is a stub, so fails on quality. I'm also not hearing arguments on why this is significant for posting.—Bagumba (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What Aslor is getting at (I think) is a general consensus about how we treat sports with many top-tier events. We don't want any sport to have lots of posts simply because of a lack of consensus about which event is premier. Historical discussions have pared horse racing to four ITN/R events, while explicitly excluding very prominent races (Santa Anita, Belmont and Preakness) to keep the number down. While consensus can change, this event's absence at ITN/R is a reflection of community consensus of its relative insignificance. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That is circular reasoning. Again, an item doesn't get nominated for ITN/R unless it passes the significance test at ITN/C by showing it has been posted at least a couple of times. And its absence from ITN/C (and by extension ITN/R) in the past does not necessarily mean it's insignificant, but could simply be that someone who had interest in the subject matter finally came along and decided to argue for its posting. I remember in the past that we didn't have any sumo-related items on ITN/R until someone decided to step up and nominate the yokozuna promotions on ITN/C. It was interesting and unusual, and something that none of us had really considered before. We're not omniscient. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree it would be circular reasoning if I was making that argument you suggest I am. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong oppose on the following:
1. Cannot see the ITN/R rationale anywhere.
2. Nominated article is about an individual not an event.
3. Threats of nuclear aggression are an ongoing Russian propaganda tool since February invasion, and arguably since the start of the Cold War.
4. Covered in ongoing.
5. Lacks any significance; all talk no action.
6. Sources only mention this remark in passing, and not widely commented upon elsewhere.
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  • Oppose for now This is ITNR, but the article, specifically the aftermath section, will need some expansion before being posted. Also the blurb should use the term "plurality" rather than minority. Gust Justice (talk) 11:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once expanded and Altblurb added. Quantum XYZ (talk) 11:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Lots of stats not nearly enough prose. Only 1 sentence of aftermath. Very little background and given inflation, energy and national security crises currently ongoing in Latvia, as well as language and ethnic tensions and refugee crises due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, these really need to be added to the article and their effect on the election. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support once expanded looks like the article is in the process of being improved. also prefer the alt blurb. e.b. (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Made changes Haris920 (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Wait for results and nominate them as blurb, not ongoing. a!rado (CT) 09:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Just post the results the first round results are in. I don't recall having an ongoing section for the French Presidential election which is similar to this. Haris920 (talk) 10:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Strongly disagree, this nothing like the French election. Brazil is a much larger country both in terms of population and area, therefore the gap between the two rounds is much longer. Very different circumstances of the candidates and background to this election too. Furthermore and most importantly, France did not have a president that would realistically decline to recognise the results if lost and threaten reinstate a military dictatorship. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait let's see if the 2nd round is needed first; then given the particular set of circumstances this would qualify in between the rounds to have it as ongoing. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as ongoing Unless the result of the second round is particularly close. Obviously if a candidate wins a majority in the first round, then the article should be posted per ITNR. Gust Justice (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Until theres results, theres nothing to blurb/post; if Lula wins outright, it should just be a blurb; if a second round is needed, given the high profile of this election and the vitriol coming from the candidates and thier supporters, I think ongoing would be warrented. (this is not to say that 2 round election cycles should generally be nominated for ongoing between the votes) ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  18:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2022 World Rally Champions

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  • Oppose - Hurricane that was and isnt a hurricane anymore therefore not ongoing. These happen all the time and yes people get caught up in them... It already got a blurb which is more than what the average cyclone gets (even when it is a cat 4-5 storm hitting settled areas).✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  02:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Older stories which are scheduled to roll off the bottom of the list may be added to ongoing at admins' discretion, provided that the linked article is receiving continuous updates with new information on a regular basis." - We did the same thing for Idai in 2019 for the same reason, which didn't roll off as fast as this storm is going to. This is still very much in the news as it is feared that hundreds may be dead. We should keep it as an ongoing while these searches are turning up dozens of bodies a day. NoahTalk 02:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pretty sure natural disasters don't go in ongoing. Per 4amking, it isn't even a hurricane anymore so there is zero point in adding it to ongoing. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 03:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have done it before. See no reason why we should kick an item that is clearly in the news off the ITN box. The storm itself is dead, yes, but the search for remains and survivors is very much ongoing and being covered in the news. There have been thousands of rescues and dozens of bodies uncovered each day. NoahTalk 03:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      For that storm, at the time it fell off ITN, it was still a storm and still causing destruction. Ian has petered out, no one is expected it to cause further damage, so it would not be required for ongoing in terms of covering the long-tail of aftermath. Masem (t) 14:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't posted to ongoing because it was still a storm (it was only a remnant low by that time). It was posted (and survived a removal nom[70] after it had fully dissipated) because of the long-tail. Perhaps the better argument here is the scale of Idai was larger. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:ReI wouldn't say that's the case. It's simply that southeastern Africa is less developed and has worse infrastructure and no way to deal with the aftermath of a storm. The days of a hurricane killing thousands in the mainland US are over because of infrastructure improvements and the government's ability to handle the aftermath of a storm. The scale of impact is similar, but less people died as a result of the US being able to evacuate and rescue people whereas that was not the case in Africa with Idai. There's still 10,000 people unaccounted for and a massive hunt for remains and survivors going on in Florida. The scale of the search operations are quite similar, however, less people will die in this case. NoahTalk 20:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we just hit 100 deaths in Florida with more expected as searches continue. That's the highest amount of deaths in a single mainland US state from a hurricane for quite some time, especially considering the amount of preparations and building codes that have been implemented in Florida to prevent disasters like this. Most US hurricanes don't even reach 100 deaths and their impacts are spread out amongst multiple states, so to get 100 in a single state speaks to how bad the situation there is. NoahTalk 21:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now I'd rather just expand ITN to five blurbs for a few days than move Hurricane Ian to ongoing. I'll revisit this if it looks like three blurbs are going to be posted imminently. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Is it ongoing? Yes. Is it notable and in the news? Yes. Significant impact? Yes. Article quality? Fine. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article states "Hurricane Ian was'..." and "Dissipated: 2 October 2022". So no, it’s not longer ongoing. The fact that I will no longer be in MP is circumstantial. It is what it is as new entries have been included. That doesn’t make it any less noticeable (this is why it was posted days ago). Just do not overload the Main Page either with it. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article is for the hurricane itself, which is no longer ongoing. i think it makes more sense to keep updates on search and rescue to the current events tab, which is the norm for most disasters natural and otherwise. e.b. (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support, I've tidied up the referencing a bit, looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support worst football incident in asia ever, worst football incident since 1964, worst human stampede in several years. so sad. e.b. (talk) 01:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see them. Example? HiLo48 (talk) 03:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ BBC