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June music[edit]

story · music · places

Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. - Will nominate a woman for GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best wishes for your health! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it (as you know). I found a (July) hook that at least didn't mention the first Sunday after Trinity on the Tuesday after the second ;) - The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I promoted both. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ;) - For the remaining cantatas, I'LL try to stick to those with a fixed date, St. John's, Visitation, Reformation, Christmas. We will, however, face the problem one more time: on Palm Sunday. I wouldn't want a reminder to music specifically composed for Palm Sunday to appear some days after Easter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today's story is about an opera performance I watched (actually the dress rehearsal) in 2012 and made a DYK hook in 2017, and my 2012 prediction that we met a great singer was right ;) - if you have more time to read, there's a new GA, Cecelia Hall, and the de:Youth Symphony Orchestra of Ukraine on the German Hauptseite, - both topics were stories before. + new pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I have to bother you with hook wording. In Prep7, I read: "... that Daniela Kerck crafted a new ending to Puccini's unfinished opera Turandot for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele?" - As a reader, I'd think she is another composer who completed the unfinished composition. I searched for that wording in the nom and couldn't find it. She was both the stage director and the scenic designer, which is rare, and I think should show, as 4meter4 who crafted the hook, worded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A good point, I'll put that back in. In case you are unaware, you will often find that the wording in the nomination differs from that of the final set. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. How is this next time, for transparency: you take an approved hook and put that in prep, and perform trimming/rephrasing afterwards, for us not so qualified as detectives to follow what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is precisely what happened. It seems you didn't try to follow. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried, but didn't look deep enough, sorry about assuming the wrong thing. (I looked at a "trim" edit from my watchlist, and saw that it was a different hook, and failed to see that you did the trimming in several steps.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having looked: it's good now, but would be excellent when it could be clear hat she wasn't a stage director (at times) and a scenic designer (possibly at other times) by profession, but that she performed both functions for this production. I wasn't able, - what I tried in the original hook was rejected. I trust that you are better at it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video for a taste of opera, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg): "We talk about a key composer's Opus one, a piece of significance. Can you - anybody - please explain to me why we would find a fact interesting that this piece shares with hundreds of other compositions??" The question remained unanswered. Do you have an answer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The alternative being something vaguely pretentious which someone else wrote about the piece, Gerda Arendt? From the hooks you've written over the years, that seems to be the real feature which all the compositions have in common! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The alternative after ALT0 was struck which tried to "also" say what these compositions are about (Thanks and Farewell) and that a highly notable pianist performed, one of the composers later banned by the Nazis. The works are much more then "songs". Did you listen, btw? For some reason, 10+ years ago it was possible to say something substantial about a composition, take BWV 20. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If BWV 20, a seriously good hook, is evidence, I think you have lost some creativity over the years. Do me a favour and let's not have any "...that [singer]/[composition] was described as "[rather pompous description]" hooks for a while? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I take "seriously good hook" with pleasure. It's 5am, I'm on a train after three days travel, in a hotel with a miserable connection, so probably shouldn't respond ;) - I still feel that in the very unusual case of speaking abut the Opus 1 by one of the composers whom even people not into classical music may know (as infamous), in his anniversary year, we should say something more interesting than only that his music was controversial, even the first published piece, which they probably know already. I also feel that we should picture him. There's not much room left if we also want to speak about hostile reactions to please the crowd. My attempt was to mention the topics. (Did you listen?) The quote by Alma Mahler, also infamously known, was only my second choice, which I sort of liked because it shows the style of the period. We could now, after MONTENSEM expanded, perhaps even find something else which is unique to this unique piece. I heard it, which was already on DYK with the singer, Liviu Holender, and was highly impressed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you vastly overestimate the knowledge of readers (helpful comic; I would guess that no more than one in fifty know the name of Schoenberg, let alone the names of his pieces or the controversy associated with them. As always, it comes down to whether you recognise that the rest of DYK wants to write for the wide audience, as you seem to have also wanted in 2010. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion of Shigi Qutuqu[edit]

Congratulations, AirshipJungleman29! The article you nominated, Shigi Qutuqu, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Gog the Mild (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Puzzle designer[edit]

The hook was in the article. “The puzzles for the game will be designed by a group named QuizKnock, as Akira Tago, the puzzle designer for the other Professor Layton games, died in 2016.” SL93 (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith SL93 (talk) 17:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that sort of puzzle designer. I thought that the puzzle designer was an in-game thing, otherwise how would the game "feature" it? Anyway, the hook was withdrawn hours before I even commented, so that was moot. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Your RfA vote is. As always I think these public votes are a problem. You and I work together, and I try to get along with everyone. We have different thoughts about who would make be a good admin; it is not a reason for us to be enemies or to get pointy. I think someday you may want to be an admin, and I would hope you would try not to make antagonistic votes or belittle editors with different ideas about governance. Lightburst (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Yoda. WP:POINTY refers to "disrupt[ing] Wikipedia to illustrate a point". What disruption was caused to Wikipedia by my !vote? The arguments in your oppose are so weak they convinced me to support—that is the honest truth. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You were making a point by mocking my vote and rationale. I can tell you it feels disruptive. I reached out to you as a colleague who shares larger project goals with you and I thought it was worth a try to contact you directly. I will try to avoid interaction with you going forward. Lightburst (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lightburst, I am dismayed (1) that an experienced editor such as yourself feels that simple disagreement is disruptive, when in reality it is the normal state of affairs on Wikipedia, and (2) that you take it personally enough to commit to non-interaction with me. It was not personal in the slightest—for example, I have previously (for the benefit of your privacy alone) requested and obtained oversight deletion of certain comments on-wiki. My !vote was simply commenting on the sheer weakness of your rationale. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I came here and you continued mocking me by calling me "Yoda" and saying that pointy means something else. How about WP:AVOIDYOU if pointy does not work. We can disagree about who is a good RfA candidate without personalizing and your vote was 100% personal. It only bothered me because I thought I knew you. You literally mocked me and then said, "Who me? But I did nice things for you... it was not personal". I do my best to work with everyone and I try to have a short memory about perceived slights. Lightburst (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(1) "Pointy your RfA vote is" is about the most Yoda phrase it is possible to say; (2) if you want to say that another editor has breached a behavioural guideline, make sure you know what the guideline actually says (this applies to both the above and the RfA); and (3) "per [username]" has always been regarded as a valid !vote because it clearly refers to the person's argument, not their identity. I maintain that no mocking was intended or POINTY disruption made. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant pointy because it is it is WP:POINTY. YMMV

As a rule, editors engaging in "POINTy" behavior are making edits with which they do not actually agree, for the deliberate purpose of drawing attention and provoking opposition in the hopes of making other editors see their "point".

Isn't that what you did? You say no. It is an incongruent vote, like me saying "oppose per a AirshipJungleman29" which is designed for you and others to get the point that your vote is wrongheaded. But if I make that my rationale this point it would be a pointy-cancelling-loop. Lightburst (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am in perfect agreement with the edit I made—I supported the RfA and your comment was the reason why. I made a point with it—that your argument was self-defeating—but its purpose was to support the RfA, not to draw attention or provoke opposition. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty then. I will try to stay out of your line of fire. It is always worth trying - especially if it only shows another editor that there is a real person at the other end of a username. Lightburst (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Shagdarjavyn Natsagdorj[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Shagdarjavyn Natsagdorj you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of SnowFire -- SnowFire (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July music[edit]

story · music · places

I support the recognition! - My story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen ;) - I recommend others to perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and agree that yes that was too much for the Main page ;) - However, continuing our conversation from above, we'll have readers who never heard Schönberg's name, and we have others - let's say 5% - who know him rather well as the founder of the (rather brain-driven) 12-tone system and who might be as surprised as I was that he began his career with such an emotional expressionist piece. My math: those could profit from a real surprise specific to this piece, while most of the other group would probably not be interested anyway (so not click or click but not read), and some might click and read even if we say something more than that the audience was hostile (which is so true for so many pieces that it's almost not worth mentioning). - Could you offer a hook for the Gerhard Klingenberg nom, perhaps? Some compromise knowing that I'd like to do justice to a specific subject, be it a piece of music or a biography, and not say something that could be said about others as well? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say 5%, I say 0.01%. On Gerhard, I like that his direction at the Burgtheater focused on a divided Europe after he was himself compelled to leave East Berlin after it was divided by the Berlin Wall. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you word precisely that this Austrian was invited to East Berlin by Brecht, and then ... - as you said? Highly unusual! While "divided Europe" is a broad concept, no? - Would you agree that "Danton's Death" sounds like a title raising interest, even of people who don't know who Danton was? - For the Schönberg math: Twelve-tone technique has a reader steady readership of more than 200 per day and shows his pic, - that's not like Mozart but also not like 5 views per day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see your effort at wording it for the non-specialist readers. For me "Danton's Death" falls under WP:DYKFICTION—you can name a fiction anything you want. Those who read twelve-tone technique are likely to know something about music composition—you can assume exactly the opposite for the readers of the main page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Danton's Death is based on Georges Danton's real death, not pure fiction but a place in European French revolution history, on top of literature. I think that is interesting to non-specialist readers. There are links to help those who don't know yet, - why should the little space we have in hooks go into explanations? When I wrote the original hook for Klingenburg I did try to mix general interest in: stepping in early, a great house in the world, a dramatic title. - When we write about chemistry, or politics, we may miss readers not interested, but reach others. Why should that be different for music and theatre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - Two thoughts: if you like the Klingenberg divided Europe hook you can approve it. I think that Danton's Death is more interesting but who cares what I find interesting. - I introduced 5 composers banned by the Nazis with the Liviu Holender hook, and they found interest then, check out Schoenberg and Zemlinski. The Nazis banned these people, - should we do the same, arguing that readers don't know them? I believe they should be known, not only as composers but as people with a history, - Schoenberg went to California, changing his name. People don't know that, so can we please change this ignorance? The Nazis ridiculed Schoenberg's music as degenerate: I believe we might say that it isn't, that it is interesting, instead of only saying that the audience reacted with hostility. 2ct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have forgotten that you nominated an article on a piece of music, not on Schoenberg himself. DYK is to showcase new and newly improved articles, so we focus on them, not whether the subjects of related article went to California or were banned by the Nazis or whatever (neither of which were discussed in your hooks). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I create new content I usually have a story in mind, according to "Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the DYKTALK." I hear a concert, with 10 fascinating songs that I believe deserve an article, and pick two of them, Schoenberg's Op. 1, because it's his anniversary year, and his first published work, interesting, no! I wanted to "focus on them", but all that was left in the hook about the fascinating songs is that they were met with hostility. I was happy with the hook about the concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But you didn't focus on the songs, you focused (as you tend to do) on the performances and the people you find interesting. You could have focused on the reversal of the "thanks"-"farewell" order, and what it means—that would be interesting. You could have done some delicate writing on the "metaphorical transformation of the lyric"—would be a higher tier, but probably still interesting.
But no, as always, you go through your routine inventory of what to include: 1) place 2) year 3) musician/actor 4) random superficial critic quote. As a result, dull, dull, dull, boring. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The thanks-farewell order wasn't yet in the article when I worded the hook, - had to word because of the 7 days limit. Farewell. Thanks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021 (there was none for him, or any of his operas, - I didn't look further). It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. - I am happy to have received an award for the Women in Green drive that you recommended, but didn't they see they'd wait for reviews to be completed? (One is still open.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean: you nominated two articles as part of WiG, and both now have the GA icons. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see now that I forgot to nominate Tamara Milashkina, - nevermind, I don't expand for awards ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overnight, Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, and for me, that rings with music. I guess that no music would be left in a DYK hook ;) - I felt understood here, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps: Libuše Domanínská - yesterday's story - would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Yasuke archives[edit]

Hi there,

Sorry about that, I thought your script glitched and somehow moved the messages to a new archive page instead of Talk:Yasuke/Archive 1 where there was still plenty of space.

--Thibaut (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ChristieBot being odd[edit]

Definitely a bug. The root cause was the removal of the status parameter weeks ago. ChristieBot didn't get upset till the new subpage was created; I'll have to look at the code this evening and figure out how to stop it from repeating the nominator information, though it should be complaining about the missing status parameter. I could have it add back in a status parameter if one doesn't exist, I suppose .... Anyway, thanks for fixing it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it by having it check for the "Nominator:" line before adding it. That way it will continue to post the errors in the errors section of GAN, which is better than trying to guess which status it's supposed to have. If you spot this happening again please give me a nudge. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA-related discussion[edit]

Just wanted to make sure you get a heads up about the discussion over at talk:human history#Periodization. I'm not involving myself with the GA process itself, but I just want to make sure you're not blindsided by anything. Peter Isotalo 11:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024[edit]

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Hello, I'm coming to your talk page with a little review request. I've kind of stumbled upon the long sock story surrounding User:Lurk shirk, but it is a rather confusing case. However, what I've gathered is that they used to just copy-paste big chunks of one and the same text across multiple articles and that they were particularly focused on certain topics such as interracial marriage and genetics. Iirc, I've seen your name in the SPI on that user and I've seen you reverting some edits by this user on the Kalmyks page [1], so I thought that you might be familiar with their usual copy-pasted texts and am asking for your judgment on an edit from an IP that was added some time after the Lurk shirk was closed: [2]. Does this look like something that Lurk shirk + alter egos would copy-paste into articles? The content looks kind of odd to me. It certainly looks copied because it obviously contains "raw" text with reference numbers that lack the underlying wiki syntax (e.g. [3] — without hyperlinking). The content is still in the article and I don't want to simply revert it based on a suspicion given that I'm not really familiar with the SPI case. Could you check it, please? Nakonana (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I might just be paranoid, I'm not even sure what made me think that those two users could be connected, there doesn't really seem an overlap in topics of interest. I guess it's just the fact that the text was likely just copied from somewhere. Sorry, if it's an absolute false flag :> Nakonana (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]