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Randall Rossilli Jr.

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The claim of notability as a media entrepreneur is weak and lacks the in-depth reliable and verifiable sources required to back up the claim. Recording songs for release on iTunes is an even weaker claim of notability, not does his work as a teacher reach any notability standard. I was unable to find any meaningful in-depth coverage for him in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not found, Xxanthippe (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Jason Shevchuk

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Name gets mentioned a lot in punk zines, but as far as I'm aware, none of those are considered reliable, and he's not mentioned frequently enough outside of them to pass notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete i can see it's need more sources. Xegma(talk) 05:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Yemin

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Yemin's name gets mentioned a lot in punk zines, but as far as I'm aware, none of those are considered reliable, and he's not mentioned frequently enough outside of them to pass notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eastern Shadows

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Fails WP:NBAND. I found no reliable sources about them. I see no verifiable claim of notability on the article. Badbluebus (talk) 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Wikipedia:Verifiability. I considered supporting a a selective merge/redirect to Rockit Hong Kong Music Festival because the article says, "The initial incarnation of the band appeared on stage at the final Rockit Hong Kong Music Festival, where the band was billed as Spencer Douglass." However, I decided against that because I could not find any reliable sources verifying this. I could not find any reliable sources that discuss Eastern Shadows, so I support deletion under Wikipedia:Verifiability. Cunard (talk) 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Oluikpe

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There is nothing notable about this man. Most of the source from the newspaper cited has nothing to do with him except ref 1. Naijaloaded and 9jaflaver has nothing to do with significant neither reliable as they were only just talking about his music and the rest source are just mere websites. And to the article creator “How did you come inform of the biography” knowing all this information without any source giving a clue of who the subject is? Gabriel (……?) 18:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment : One more question to the article creator. Who is “Muradmomi12”, a user who posted a fake template on your talk page Here claiming to have accepted the article. Is that your second account?. Remember lying won’t save you. So you can just be honest and things be sort out properly per Wikipedia policy--Gabriel (……?) 18:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wish to state categorically that I have no affiliation with the subject whatsoever. Can you check my edit history and particularly, the articles I have written and contributed to here? They cut across different interests. I am mostly interested in seeing major subjects/articles from Africa feature on Wikipedia. I am not ashamed to have that interest, but apart from that, I have no conflicts of interest in writing about the subjects I choose. I am neither paid nor employed by any of the subjects I have written or contributed to.

About @Muradmomi12 , you need to check his edit and contribution history to know he has been warned severally about vandalism. I had no need for his approval or acceptance of my article. I am an Autoconfirmed user and have the user rights to move articles directly to mainspace. So I have no need for his/her help. If you check his history, you would notice he has been banned or blocked from wikipedia. If you compare my edit history and @Maradmomi12, our interests do not align. i would urge you rather to also check his history with yours and see if there are similarities.

On a final note, i sense that your nomination of this article for deletion was not in good faith. It appears this is vandalism and I hereby warn you to desist. Thank You. Cfaso2000 (talk) 20:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion on my article. The notability of the subject is proven by many mainstream independent articles as follows:

(1) A review in major Nigerian newspapers, of his books. Four major/independent sources reviewed his book, Swim or Sink: Policy dynamics in challenging environments. His biography was also cited by these newspapers (references 1, 4, 5, and 20).

(2) His Novel, Dead on Arrival(2013) was also featured in 2013 by Linda Ikeji(ref 17)and Bella Naija (ref 18) and also referenced in ref 1, 4, 5 and 20.

(3) He was recognized by the British Council in 2017 (ref 12, 13)

(4) He won a major award here (ref 14)

(5) He also won another major award here from Alliance for Financial Inclusion here (ref 11)

(6) He is also a musician and has an extensive discography (ref 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27). i have only included these for brevity sake. I found so many other songs he has put out.

(7) His financial inclusion work is also covered in major independent newspapers here (ref 7,8,9,10).

I hope this helps you to situate and agree with his notability.

Finally, please can you check the history of edits to give you an idea of where this article has evolved from?

Thank you. Cfaso2000 (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On a final note, i sense that your nomination of this article for deletion was not in good faith. It appears this is vandalism and I hereby warn you to desist. Thank You. This clearly now shows you definitely don't know what Wikipedia policy is all about neither the good faith or vandalism. You joined wikipedia 9 months ago with less than 200 edits but thats by the way. You stated “Muradmomi12” is into a different interest of editing from yours and has been vandalising but I am still surprise how he found your talk page and to post a fake approve article template of your article, since you both are of different interest, but thats by the way since you already stated you don't know such editor. When I saw that it actually looked like a deceive to the public that one of your article was accepted. So I thought it might be from your handwork to deceive the community but it's fine. Meanwhile, that doesn't still change the fact why I nominated this article. It still doesn't meet the general notability guideline. His works are not notable and this is the only thing I can found about his subject novel which still has nothing to do with him Dead on arrival. Gabriel (……?) 21:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I urge you to do a check of my refutations to your nomination for deletion in points 1-7 above and go through piece by piece and make your conclusions. I address your points in this latest response as follows:

(a) The fact that I joined Wikipedia 9 months ago and have only 200 edits is not relevant to the issue here;

(b) I have no business with how @muradmomi12 found my talk page to post a fake "approve" article template. Wikipedia is a public place and anyone is entitled to roam the space and indulge in their interests, but that "indulgence" should be ethical, free of conflicts of interest, and not infringing on the rights or freedoms of other users to contribute to the stock of knowledge here.

(c) Why does it look like a deception to the public that my article was accepted? because I am just only 9 months with less than 200 edits or what? Please check my edit history and other articles and subjects I have written about. Paul Oluikpe is not the first or only article or subject I have written about.

(d) Your assertion "it still doesnt meet general notability guideline" has no proof, but merely an arbitrary/sweeping rationalization. Please can you be specific about the sources, and can you refute piece by piece no 1-7 points which i made above? Have you actually read the sources ? This can help.

Thank you Cfaso2000 (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(a) The fact that I joined Wikipedia 9 months ago and have only 200 edits is not relevant to the issue here; If you had stick with the Article wizard for creation policy, your article of 2023 Philip Ikeazor won't have been nominated for an AFD by Star Mississippi. Meanwhile, I still stand by my reason and will allow other editors do their research. Have a nice day and no further response from me to you. Gabriel (……?) 21:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for proving that your nomination of this article for deletion was in bad faith. I rest my case. Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Source 2 is his words at WSBI’s Scale2Save event, and likely, a press release. Source 3 is same as above and wouldn't tell us that he "works on financial inclusion". Tech finance, source 4, lacks byline and editorial standard, hence the post appears like a sponsored post. The awards are minor ad unrecognisable per WP:ANYBIO except the one from the British Council. But their count still doesn't make this article meet WP:GNG. Almost all the sources linked to Dead on Arrival, his book, are paid publication and some unreliable including Linda Ikeji's blog. Ofcourse, Nigerian world News doesn't perceive editorial policy and list works are by admin or individual. In light of WP: NMUSICIAN, the article's segment "musical work" were citations from unreliable sources per WP:NGRS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your view. Here are my responses to your post.

(1) The phrase "likely a press release" stays in the realm of speculation, and not a certainty. We shouldn't make conclusions on that. The issue is, does it cover the subject significantly? and is it an independent source?

(2)Sources 2, 3, 7,8,9,10 all state categorically that he works in financial inclusion and at the central bank. The sources are Thisday, Independent, Daily Trust, Business Day, TechCabal-all sources identified in the Wikipedia list of reliable sources from Nigeria (Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources

(4) Sources 6, 11,12, and 13 reference the awards he won. These are credible sources (Loughborough University, British Council, The Alliance for Financial Inclusion and The Punch).

(5)Sources 1,4,5 and 20 covered extensively his book Swim or Sink: Policy Dynamics in Challenging Environments. They also ran a biography on him and also mention where he works. These sources are Nigerian Guardian, The Tribune and This Day all listed here Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources

(6) You said "Almost all the sources linked to Dead on Arrival, his book, are paid publication and some unreliable". This is inaccurate. Sources 1,4,5 and 20 mention the novel, Dead on Arrival plus Linda Ikeji's coverage and Bella Naija coverage and reviews.

I do believe the article should not be deleted.

Thank you Cfaso2000 (talk) 17:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cfaso2000, do not Wikipedia:BLUDGEON the AFD process or you may attract yourself a block for a short period of time. Allow other editors to express their concerns and not you, pointing to sources and policies to every likely "delete" decision. Cheers! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I thought at first that he would pass WP:NAUTHOR with reviews of his book ([1], [2], [3]) in three sources rated generally reliable by WikiProject Nigeria, but in reading the sources, it seems two of them are based on one, or they are all based on an underlying WP:PRESSRELEASE. Look in particular at the final few paragraphs, which are in some cases nearly word-for-word identical. As a result, I do not believe these to be truly independent reviews and thus no pass of NAUTHOR. I also see no WP:SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG. As for the awards, they do not qualify under WP:ANYBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black and White (rap group)

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Article may not be notable. Made searches and only found unreliable sources. The ruwiki article has many sources, but most of them are also from unreliable outlets. Roughly any reliable source to establish notability. ToadetteEdit (talk) 14:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Attempt two) @ToadetteEdit: I thank you for starting this. If I may ask for clarification, how do we determine which articles and sources are legitimate? I'm am TOTALLY not opposed to this being deleted if you think it's the right decision but I just need some clarification to avoid this in the future. I thank you very much. I love editing Wikipedia, so any help you can give me is really great. JohnDVandevert (talk) 04:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doddodo

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No references, seems to fail GNG Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not nearly enough in-depth refs from reliable, independent sources to meet WP:SIGCOV.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete unless someone adds sources: how has a BLP article survived since 2007 with no sources except the non-RS Discogs? PamD 08:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Paul-Enenche

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A ministry's creative director provides no inherent notability nor grounds for a redirect thereto, and she was covered for some passing stories around her wedding, but sourcing is mostly unsubstantial and inappropriate for a BLP. Should this close as a redirect, suggest protection as it will only be re-created. Star Mississippi 19:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Byeon Seong-tae

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Appearing during a particular filming and as an alternate role doesn't always show notability, because sometimes, those type of actors aren't covered in multiple reliable sources. And that's the see here. Appearing also in music videos doesn't show either, hence this is a prompt lack of WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 13:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:REALITYSINGER. cyberdog958^Talk 23:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SoFaygo

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Practically all the sources are either hype sites, primary sources, unreliable sources, or affiliated with SoFagyo. A cursory search on google shown not a single reliable source covering him. OhHaiMark (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep These sources should be enough. Although they are mostly interviews, there are portions of the articles that are not. He also satisfies WP:SINGER by having a single that has been certified platinum.

Win Wu YanHong

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Citing unreliable sources especially from YouTube is not a way of showing notability. I don't seem to see WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources, hence doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect ~~Delete~~ - Seems to only be known on YouTube which is not considered a reliable source. Those should be deleted. If better sourcing can be found, please bring it to the table. Netherzone (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting to Four Seasons (Indonesian band) makes sense as an alternative to deletion. Changing my iVote. Netherzone (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Four Seasons (Indonesian band)#Members (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The subject does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amit Ulman

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Not yet ready for mainspace as it doesn't meet WP:NACTOR, WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO. May have been covered in his native language which I also checked, yet couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV also in English language. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, for several reasons:

(WP:NACTOR) The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. - At least in Israel it was defined as an innovative film in that the entire script is one long song, with almost all the dialogue written in rhymes and accompanied by musical instruments. ^[1]
WP:MUSICBIO Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. - (If I understand correctly), one of his songs won tenth place in one of the Hebrew song charts in 2016.^[2]
WP:MUSICBIO Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. - One of the leading rappers in Israel, certainly in the field of Poetry slam (he founded Poetry slam Israel).^[3]
WP:MUSICBIO Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. - Appeared and created the movie "This City"', appeared in "Plaot" (2013), "HaMora LeAnglit" (2019) and also appeared in the series "HaHanut SheYesh Ba Hakol" (2020-2021)^[4].

There is more, but I think this is enough. Eladkarmel (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

That's fine, but you still need sources that talk about the person. We don't have these. Oaktree b (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Hardly any sources that talk about this person. This was all I could find [4]. Just not enough for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - or possible redirect/merge to This City film which is the actual subject of the Jerusalem Post article that Oaktree b found. A BEFORE search found the same source, and a bunch of social media stuff, YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud and other user-submitted content, a couple primary sources that don't confer notability, but nothing else. The sources above brought by the creator seem like churnalism and an unreliable source (IMDB.) I think he probably is quite talented, but that it is WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedia entry. Maybe in a few more years... Netherzone (talk) 23:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with a redirect to the film Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although I am afraid of this article being retrieved after redirecting, I agree with redirecting to This City (film). Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge - Hebrew article seems well-sourced, and includes coverage from Walla, Haaretz, and Mako, all significant sources for Israeli topics + bonus of authority control for extra reference. Article may need to be expanded upon to prove its SIGCOV but it definitely exists if someone wants to add it, or it can be draftified and all content remaining merged. EytanMelech (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeosophos

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Google News reveals no result about this articles, the article uses only primary sources. Clearly fails WP:NSINGER Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:39, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andreína Álvarez

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She still needs much more experience as a recognized and outstanding actress, page without relevance required Alon9393 (talk) 03:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes the WP:ENT. Xegma(talk) 03:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darroh Sudderth

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There is nothing in the article for the lead singer of the band Fair to Midland that is not already covered in the band article or can't be copied to the band article (once references are found for the details). There is also nothing to support a claim to individual notability. Warren L.T. Peace (talk) 21:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarah Cheng-De Winne

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Nothing more than a promotional piece; fails GNG. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 20:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weak delete: Some coverage [5], [6], but it's celebrity gossip articles. Nothing really to build an article with. Oaktree b (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Many sources here, including this, this, this, this, this and this. There's also this and this already in the article. Clearly passes GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 09:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hair Rocket

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No sign that this band has done anything major enough to pass NMUSIC. There is this (archived) source for this band that discusses it for a single paragraph. There is also a review on a website where "anyone can post a review". Badbluebus (talk) 06:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing in the article points to their meeting any of the WP:NBAND criteria. Orange sticker (talk) 09:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 1. and 2. sources are dead link and also new sources not added till now. Xegma(talk) 11:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Cheek

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I believe the band fails notability. One of the sources listed would satisfy SigCov in my opinion, but the rest are trivial and a BEFORE hasn't turned up much. I opted to post here as opposed to PROD to get others' input, as a large number of source do seem to mention the band on the internet but almost all seem plainly trivial. Lenny Marks (talk) 05:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep found more coverage here by searching with their previous name (Nosebleeds) so I think they scrape through on WP:BAND.[7][8][9][10] Orange sticker (talk) 09:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep There's this in The Guardian and this in the East Anglian Daily Times. NME also seems to have a bit more stuff. toweli (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yohanna Logan

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A biography of a living person with paper-thin sourcing. While the one source attached has some depth to it, it seems like the main reason this person is the subject of an article is implied notability-by-assosciation because she had some sort of relationship with Anthony Kiedis and he may or may not have written a song based on that relationship. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't see any sourcing about this person, the source used now in the article isn't enough. Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Anthony Kiedis#Family and relationships per WP:NINI and WP:ATD-R. I added a source there describing her as a fashion designer (I found a few passing mentions to that effect in trade journals, but even much of that seems to be in connection with her relationship with Kiedis or other rockers). She also seems to have been a witness at age 17 regarding the alleged sexual abuse of her sister by a politician (if indeed this is the same person). All in all a shabby case for WP:N. StonyBrook _babble 06:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amadour

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Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Note tag added. Present coverage all PR. Introducing Amadour, EP being released soon. scope_creep^Talk 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This promotional biography of an emerging artist. The article is trying to cobble together notability-by-association. It doesn't matter who or how many well known artists someone has studied with or interviewed or written about or allegedly curated into shows. The article has been ref-bombed mostly with things he's written about others; student newspaper profiles in the Daily Bruin(UCLA); blog-ish PR advertorials such as Cultbytes a "strategic communications agency" (PR agency "online publication"); and user submitted content websites "submit your music!". Delete per WP:PROMO and WP:TOOSOON; does not meet WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 13:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect to Saint Amadour. I can't remember how this came to be on my watchlist, possibly due to a previous article of this name that got deleted. If so, that does not seem to have been about the same person. There are potentially four claims to notability made here: As a visual artist, as a musician, as a writer and as a curator. None of those are substantiated. The article seems to be trying to inherit notability from minor connections to notable topics. The sources are poor. Many are just their writing, which provides verifiability that they have written, but proves no notability. The music coverage is minimal and one of the sources is a Tumblr blog. The visual/conceptual arts stuff is even thinner, most are just a single passing reference in coverage of group shows, mere entries on a list. There is potentially a fifth claim to notability in that they are described as an art critic here. What we seem to have here is a person who is trying various different things in and around the art world and who has yet to become notable for any one of them. Getting redirected to a (probably fictional) saint might seem like a bit of a kick in the teeth but it is the right thing to do, at least for now. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Forbes (musician)

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Biography of a recently-deceased composer, not properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The main notability claim here is that he composed the theme music for a TV show, which would be fine if the article were reliably sourced -- but except for one obituary in Billboard (which isn't dedicated solely to him, but just blurbs him as one of several recent deaths in music), this is otherwise referenced entirely to unreliable sources that are not support for notability: directory entries on IMDb and Discogs.com, his paid-inclusion death notice from the self-published website of the funeral home that held his funeral, a podcast, a WordPress blog and a Substack newsletter.
And a WP:BEFORE search for better sources also turned up dry: searching for just Harry Forbes only got me unrelated hits for different people, such as a military veteran and a hockey coach, while searching for Harry Forbes composer or Harry Forbes Magic Shadows both found absolutely zilch.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy source. Bearcat (talk) 14:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The Billboard obituary is something, but that's all I could find. A podcast called Toronto Mike remembers Forbes, but that's still not a RS. Just not enough sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Hannan (singer)

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I nominate this article to debate whether to keep it or eliminate it, due to a transfer to the draft, for my opinion the article maintains relevance and a large number of independent sources that prove its notoriety, if improvements need to be made, they can also be made. In addition, the singer has participated in a very concert With extensive media impact in Pakistan, in 2023, Hannan appears on the list of the most played artists on music platforms. Alon9393 (talk) 12:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Recreating a BLP shortly after it was Draftified is not only unjustified but also goes against P&Gs. And then, nominating one's own creation for deletion and seeking input from others is a misuse of the AfD process. This is not how AfD is supposed to work. Ideally, this AFD should be procedurally closed. But fwiw, the subject fails to meets the WP:NSINGER as well GNG, so this BLP should either be deleted or at the very least, draftify for now. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alon9393, Not sure why you've canvassed me here but I have no interest in this article or the person so as such have no opinion on this nomination, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Giant Snowman 18:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhishek Malhan

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Runner up of the show and doing lots of music video is not enough for notability. Xegma(talk) 04:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He is not only a runner up of a show, but a very popular indian youtuber too. Columbidae5 (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Beautiful Lie Tour

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Redirect to either Thirty Seconds to Mars or A Beautiful Lie. I did WP:BEFORE on Google, Newspapers.com and Archive.org. I was able to find newspaper articles about a tour that happened to promote the release of A Beautiful Lie but I couldn't find anything about the tour being called "A Beautiful Lie Tour". I looked at the way the Lights in the Sky tour was handled for Nine Inch Nails and it directs to the album it was promoting The Slip (album). Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Thirty Seconds to Mars since the only mention in A Beautiful Lie is "A Beautiful Lie was re-released on November 26, 2007, following extensive touring throughout Europe, in an attempt to expose themselves to a larger audience." I was the original user who redirected the article back in 2001 with an edit summary of "Non-notable, undersourced concert tour fails both WP:GNG and WP:CONCERT TOUR that has been tagged as using primary references for six years." It had and still has only one source provided, the band's website that does not mention this tour. Aspects (talk) 23:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Pavlovich

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WP:BLP of a musician and artist, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing either WP:NMUSIC or WP:NARTIST.
The attempted notability claim as a musician is that he was formerly lead singer of a band, but band members are not "inherently" notable enough for their own standalone articles as separate topics from their bands just because they exist, and have to show WP:GNG-worthy coverage that focuses specifically on them (as opposed to just glancingly namechecking them in coverage of the band) -- however, the only music-related footnote here is a "10 best death metal singers" listicle in an unreliable source, which is not sufficient to claim passage of NMUSIC by itself.
And the attempted notability claim as a visual artist is that he's had local art shows in the region where he lives, referenced to one short blurb and a glancing namecheck of his existence in an article about somebody else, which is not sufficient to get him over the notability bar for visual artists either.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more and better coverage in reliable sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 22:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Assück. I never would have imagined that I’d write that sentence, but it makes sense to me. Bearian (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Gall

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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC as an individual. As always, members of bands are not "inherently" notable enough for their own standalone articles just because they exist, and have to show WP:GNG-worthy coverage in reliable sources that focuses specifically on them (as opposed to just being glancingly namechecked in coverage of the band) -- but the sole footnote here is the band's own self-published website about itself, which is not support for notability. Bearcat (talk) 21:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Six Feet Under (band). He has no individual accomplishments outside the band and no reliable media coverage in his own right, not even for his supposedly unconventional drumming style. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Six Feet Under (band), as suggested by Doomsdayer520. The only reference is to the band, not him, and makes this page WP:OR. Bearian (talk) 19:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Kiser (musician)

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WP:BLP of a musician, with no properly sourced claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. This is a followup to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exitsect: the attempted notability claim here is NMUSIC #6, "musician who has been in two independently notable bands", except Exitsect is one of the two bands despite there being no discernible evidence that they ever did anything more than briefly exist -- but this article otherwise says nothing else about him, literally going "he is a musician who has been in bands, the end", and the only footnote here is the same unreliable source that's the only footnote in Exitsect's article too. Bearcat (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Well, sourcing I find is ReverbNation, then social media, then streaming sites, then off into the ether... This just doesn't have enough sourcing to keep it, and the one source used now isn't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 00:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Yes he has been in some notable bands, but that is no reason for him to have an article in which there is nothing to saying beyond that. He has no reliable media coverage for any non-band accomplishments in his own right. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exitsect

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Article about a band, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. This was created in 2016 based entirely on a single unreliable source dated 2008, but has never had even one new word added to it since then about them doing anything (touring? recording?) — and one of the four stated members, whose standalone article incidentally fails to mention this band at all, died in 2015 (i.e. nine years ago, and one full year before this article even existed), yet this article still uses the present tense to describe his membership even though he was already dead, and thus clearly not still in the band even if they did still exist, in 2016.
The intended notability claim was clearly NMUSIC #6, "multiple independently notable members", but it's falling into the circular notability-loop trap that NMUSIC explicitly says to watch out for: the only member who has a strong claim to standalone notability as an individual is the dead guy, whose notability hinges on two other bands without mentioning this band at all, two of the other three members are clearly trying to wriggle through the "notable because they've been in this band that's notable because they were in it" loophole, and the third other member is staking his attempted standalone notability on one other band while again failing to mention this one at all, meaning three of the four members are also AFD candidates without clear or properly sourced claims to standalone notability.
So clearly this is a band that briefly existed in 2008, but there's no properly sourced evidence that they ever actually did anything besides briefly exist, and nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to have reliably sourced evidence of actually doing something. Bearcat (talk) 20:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The nominator has said it all, except the band did get one reliable mention of their 2008 formation: [11]. Otherwise it appears that they announced their formation one day and then literally nothing happened. I also second the nominator's concern about falling into the trap of assuming the band is notable simply because its members were in other notable bands. We have a lot of uninformative "this band exists" articles around here for that reason. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Guerrero

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Nominated for deletion as WP:BLP1E: known only for appearing on La Academia and his romantic involvement with Yuridia. The article has existed for just over 18 years and the subject has yet to demonstrate any other notability. Attempts to find anything notable about the subject only resulted in tabloid-style information about Yuridia; the fact that she is notable does not confer notability onto him. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 16:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - In agreement with the nominator. If he was really honored with "Edgar Guerrero Day" in Burley, Idaho, I can only find one independent mention of it in a local newspaper though he often repeats it in his own self-promotions. His minor placement in a reality show does not satisfy WP:BLP1E. The nominator is correct about his later personal life. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty Mary Sunshine

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions. None of the links in the article are reliable sources. toweli (talk) 10:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Immortal Disfigurement

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Band fails WP:BAND with no coverage in reliable sources. GTrang (talk) 02:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - It is WP:TOOSOON to be charitable. The formation of the band got a few notices in the metal press because the singer is known for being in a better-known band previously, but this article tries to latch onto that band's notability in violation of WP:NOTINHERITED. Otherwise the article is dependent on unreliable social media chatter because the reliable media has not reported on the band or its releases. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Couldn't find any sources, doesn't pass WP:NBAND, large number of the sources are from Facebook or Reddit. Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Has no apparent notability yet and has only released a single independent album that had little to no coverage. cyberdog958^Talk 05:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Réjane Magloire

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Appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN. Couldn't find any significant coverage or chart listings. C F A 💬 23:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m not sure about this one. The current stub focuses on her acting as a supporting role in a film that lacks its own article (although it could be notable - Denzel Washington played opposite her. Can we hear from the relevant projects? Can someone please tag or list them? Bearian (talk) 01:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC) I vaguely recall this film, Wilma, because it was so terrible, like cult-status bad. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. She had three charting singles and an album in multiple countries. I found a lot online. I’m not sure how deep the nom searched, or if they asked any Gen X person, or if they looked into stage and band names. Her acting career was marginally notable, but her musical career was big stuff. Even Mariah Carey covered one of her songs. Bearian (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rouzbeh Rafie

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Fails WP:COMPOSER. None of the sources here establish WP:GNG notability, either on account of not being independent (personal website, profile at Ulysses platform, which appears to allow self published pages, Ermes 404 a publisher of his music, an interview with Rafie), reliable (wordpress blog) or significant (pretty much all the other sources).

Criterion 3 of COMPOSER states that those who have written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers. may be notable, but none of the competitions he has won appear to be "major" (at the very least, they don't have Wikipedia articles) Mach61 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added a few more reliable independent sources (e.g. Association of Iranian Contemporary Music Composers (ACIMC)).

In my opinion, Rafie meets criteria for Wikipedia:NMUSICOTHER, saying "Composers and performers outside mass media traditions may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria: Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes, or standards used in a notable music genre."

The competitions are notable from my point of view, especially considering the small world of contemporary experimental (classical) music. E.G. a festival like MUSEQUAL https://www.kokonainenfestival.fi/?lang=en has a very good reputation, even without a wiki article Klaviermusikfan1972 (talk) 08:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Klaviermusikfan1972 None of the sources you added move the needle with regard to being independent and in-depth. (for example this is a profile on the website of an organization Rafie is a member of).

Rafie does not meet that criterion of NMUSICOTHER, because a "notable" composition is one that qualifies for an article, by having sources cover it. None of Rafie's originals have gotten that. Mach61 17:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lil Tony (North Carolina rapper)

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This is very much centred on WP:BLP1E. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN, WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The event in question that they are known for is a murder that has extensive coverage by news sources and should pass WP:PERP due to the obscene nature of the crime. cyberdog958^Talk 21:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PERP. The latter states that an article should exist only if the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual, to the extent it has become a well-documented historic event. Neither the motivation (to increase standing in a gang) nor the execution (drive-by shooting) are unusual. That it involved children is undeniably shocking and unusual. The article Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña, for example, covers two young children randomly murdered as part of a gang initiation. But WP:PERP also says that historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role — this is clearly not met in the case of Lil Tony. There has been no sustained coverage; the killings made the news in 2019, at the time of the event, and briefly again at sentencing in 2022, but there has been zero news coverage since. Nothing written in 2023, nothing written in 2024. Contrast this with Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña, killed in 1993, who have been written about extensively, with entire books (Pure Murder) dedicated to their killing, news articles ranging from the 1990s all the way through to 2024, and even a 2023 ABC documentary. In the case of Lil Tony, coverage has demonstrably not persisted beyond contemporaneous news coverage, so WP:PERP is not met. Nor does he seem notable enough to satisfy WP:GNG either, and we're definitely in WP:BLP1E territory. GhostOfNoMeme 05:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lil Tony (Georgia rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Could not find sources to establish either this or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Pitchfork and HIp Hop News are RS, we also have decent coverage in [12]. Not much coverage, but that's three sources and more than most articles we see in AfD Oaktree b (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Pitchfork and HipHop News are definitely reliable sources, but they do not provide the relevant significant coverage that we're looking out for. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hip Hop Canada link I added above adds context, with the three, I think we have musical notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I respect your stand, by the way :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amir Eid

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSICBIO and WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There are some articles about him. One at Billboard, 01/9/2024 - From The Rolling Stones to ‘RIVO’: Amir Eid on the Intersection Between Acting and Music - By Mayya Al Ogail, and then there's Cairo Scene, Jul 18, 2024 - Cairokee Lead Singer Amir Eid Releases First Chapter of Solo EP ‘Roxi’ and Ahram Online , Saturday 3 Aug 2024 - Cairokee Amir Eid debut solo EP Roxi featured in Times Square billboard to mention a few. I'm satisfied it meets the requirements. in saying that, the page needs a whole lot of work. I can see why it attracted a deletion nomination. It seems it was hastily put together. If people put work into it, it will turn out to be a worthwhile article. Karl Twist (talk) 12:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first source you cited, from Billboard, appears to be an interview. The second is from n unreliable source, Cairo Scene, and it's a music release announcement, which we often count as PR. Source 3 is good. All I can see in the article is about the band, and if possible, should be merged and redirected to the band's article Cairokee. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexis Strum

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I don't think the sources here meet WP:NBASIC or WP:NM, save for a writing credit on Why Not Us, which is rather weak on its own. Consult the table of relevant sources in the article. Nothing in my WP:before search was of higher quality.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Templeton, Tom (31 July 2005). "Introducing...Alexis Strum". The Guardian. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			little content outside of fluff and quotes	✘ No
Scott, Danni (5 October 2023). "'A mix-up over ice cream on Lorraine cost me my music career 20 years ago – but now I'm back'". The Metro. Retrieved 5 October 2023.	~	WP:METRO		✘ No
Strum, Alexis (23 July 2023). "I'm finally the pop star I dreamed of becoming – and I'm in my forties". The Independent. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	written by Strum	~		✘ No
Krieger, Candice (3 March 2011). "Alexis Strum lands a starring role at your fingertips". The Jewish Chronicle. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			Short article from when watching TV on phones was novel, with a few sentences of background on Strum at the end.	✘ No
Glanvill, Natalie (17 June 2015). "Kylie Minogue Songwriter to stage Homeland meets Loose Women play". Guardian Series. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	Mostly quotes or other stuff obviously sourced to Strum	?	~	✘ No
"Comic documentary about failure in development". British Comedy Guide. 15 October 2018. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	mostly quotes from Strum	~		✘ No
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Comment: Did a teeny bit more searching, noting small amount of coverage here. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the nomination for deletion.

Strum has co-written two songs on popular 00s albums - Come and Get it by Rachel Stevens and Still Standing by Kylie Minogue in addition to the single, Why Not Us? by Monrose.

Under Notability (music), Strum therefore qualifies under the criteria: 'Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.'

In addition, Strum is eligible for inclusion under the criteria as a performer: 'Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.' 'Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).' ('Addicted' was released by Warner Bros. major label release - https://open.spotify.com/artist/49DJil4JyZdW8Upoilkfom?si=uoQw-rvcTSOKuvGOyykJkw - her second album 'Cocoon' was also a major label recording, which was shelved and has now been released and distributed on an 'independent label with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable - https://open.spotify.com/album/7vNUTEQtnCVWel68cxx5sC?si=fMuK_Zl5Q1mgtyt1TSqOAQ and https://hmv.com/store/music/cd/cocoon)

Her listing is incomplete, but she is featured on the UK Official Charts Company website: https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/alexis-strum/

In addition, she has released two albums as a recording artist, which are widely available on all streaming platforms, with 8.3k monthly streams on Spotify.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).'

Go My Own Way was the theme tune to the 'network television show' Vital Signs (TV Show) in the UK, which aired on ITV, starring Tamzin Outhwaite.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.'

The music video for Bad Haircut featured Tom Ellis and was aired on The Box and MTV Hits, and has over 100,000 views on YoUTube.

She is also eligible for inclusion under: 'Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.'

The album 'Cocoon' has received a large amount of press attention since its initial planned release in 2006: - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music/alexis-strum---cocoon-mercury-1024671 - https://retropopmagazine.com/alexis-strum-cocoon-album-review/

Strum's music career has also been the feature of multiple, non-trivial, published works, as well as being mentioned in articles where she has been listed as a musical performer, worthy of note: - https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/04/lorraine-mix-up-destroyed-alexis-strums-career-for-20-years-19596176/ - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl7ld1glk3o - https://www.aol.com/clean-bandit-were-told-stop-233558500.html?guccounter=1 - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/pop-star-music-alexis-strum-album-b2380472.html - https://player.winamp.com/podcasts/womans-hour-podcast-e59d55dc59 - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/aug/23/popandrock - https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/festival-finalises-acts-for-v-line-up-12712 - https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13337233.kylie-minogue-songwriter-stage-homeland-meets-loose-women-play/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevebritney (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as well as the above mentioned sources such as The Guardian and the Metro (not convinced it is completely unreliable as the discussion was not clear-cut at RSN) there is also a staff written bio at AllMusic here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just gone through the RSN discussion links for the Metro and Im not finding any substantial discussion directly about it so unless Im missing a discussion it seems to have been quite a leap to list it as unreliable without a proper discussion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa Lee Dark

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This article is based on interviews or publicity material in which the subject makes various claims of extraordinary musical ability and success. There are no reliable sources independent of the subject for these claims. gnu 57 18:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - I have just looked on Nexis which I have access to through my university, and there are sources on there for at least part of the article. I'd be happy to go through and resolve the sourcing issues on these pages with those sources (I am going to do this now regardless). It would seem a shame to delete the article with those options around. Flatthew (talk) 18:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, clearly a number of claims in the article are not based in reality, but the article is worth a re-do. There is something here, even if it's obviously not what is outlined. Flatthew (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that a number of otherwise reliable publications appear to be taking the subject's claims at face value. The 50,000 albums sold is almost certainly false. The famous relatives are unverifiable. The audio tracks on YouTube attributed to Dark are actually studio recordings by other singers (e.g., [13][14]). I have found no indication that the subject has ever performed live, in any setting. gnu 57 10:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s an interesting point that otherwise reliable sources interview a subject and take their claims at face value when perhaps they aren’t accurate. I noticed in a Wales on Sunday article I found it was written that she performed with a band called Enigma, but there are a couple bands with that name neither of which list her as a member. But that doesn’t mean she didn’t perform with them. There’s also a CD she released but now that I think about it I couldn’t find it. So while my recommendation was ‘’’keep’’’ based on WP:RS guidance, I do have pause… Nnev66 (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is enough coverage in WP:RS for WP:GNG. Nnev66 (talk) 00:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep and improve. I see that there are already edits after the AfD nomination, the article may need further improvement. Sources seem to exist to prove WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini (talk) 03:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnny Suh

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Article does not present how the subject is individually notable outside of his group as per WP:BANDMEMBER. Previously nominated last year for same reason and the result of the discussion was to redirect to NCT (group). Article was re-created on August 28 but the subject of the article still doesn't have independent notability. RachelTensions (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect back to NCT (group) Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does the addition of an 'Other Activities' section make any difference to this decision? Wikimaker17 (talk) 17:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Greg Schiemer

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Last AfD was no consensus. Renominating as per previous statement: Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Most of the supplied sources are not WP:SIGCOV about him LibStar (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete. Links appear when you do a basic Google search. However as per nominator, I also think those may not meet WP:SIGCOV criteria. Prof.PMarini (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wolfgang Jünger

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Only source is a self published website anyone can edit. Fails WP:SIGCOV. A reasonable WP:ATD would be to redirect to Thomaskantor. 4meter4 (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect as per nom. No siginificant coverage in independent reliable sources found to indicate notability. The article itself only has a single line and a single source and cannot be expanded since there are no other sources. Prof.PMarini (talk) 09:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see a few more sources when I clicked on Google books, but arguably they are significant coverage. Can somebody who reads German look at those? Bearian (talk) 01:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes the book refs are all about different people, not this subject. Mccapra (talk) 20:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirectto Thomaskantor unless something more substantial is found. Mccapra (talk) 20:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ulrich Lange

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Only source is a self-published website anyone can edit. It's certainly possible that this could be a notable topic, although I was unable to locate entries in standard music reference works that cover people like this such as the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians or Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Both foreign language wiki articles are built off of the same source. A reasonable WP:ATD could be redirecting this to Thomaskantor. 4meter4 (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, I found mentions of him in some books:

Bach's Famous Choir, The Saint Thomas School in Leipzig, 1212-1804, devotes about a paragraph to Lange on page 22, where it's mentioned that he composed St Mark Passion which was performed into the 17th century

The Renaissance: From the 1470s to the End of the 16th Century, gives another paragraph to the subject on page 276 Microplastic Consumer (talk) 16:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the second source is only available in snippet view, so it is hard to judge the depth of coverage. The first source largely covers his contributions as Thomaskantor which could easily be used to expand that article. I'm still not convinced a separate article is needed on this person. It's borderline.4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a screenshot from that second book. More digging found a german language source from 1920 published by the University of Illinois; Geschichte der deutschen Musik von den Anfängen bis zum Beginn des Dreissigjährigen Krieges which on page 411 discusses Lange. Monatschrift für Gottesdienst und kirchliche Kunst mentions him on page 184 as well.

Meister der Renaissancemusik an der Viadrina, Quellenbeiträge zur Geisteskultur des Nordosten Deutschlands vor dem Dreissigjährigen Kriege seems to have some info on Lange (p 78) prior to being Thomaskantor, but is just a snippet. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment same source [15] as used in my discussion for the Otto AfD (right above this one)... I'm more clear about Otto's deletion discussion than this one, I'm not sure if this person is notable or not. Otto has a lack of sourcing.Oaktree b (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Warm Dust

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The sources listed here provide little more than WP:ROUTINE coverage of the band. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the group has released records on three notable record labels, BASF, Trend, Uni. Plus they have two notable members, Alan King and Paul Carrack.
Karl Twist (talk) 07:49, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not WP:INHERITED, saying a band is notable because it was involved in notable things is almost the definition of this, although these may be a good place to look for sources. Allan Nonymous (talk) 11:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most times when there are two or more notable people in a band that's a consideration of notability. Another consideration is that the band or artist has had two record albums released on two notable record labels. So using the Inherited thing is not really right. And this band would be triply notable if I could get hold of the continental rock magazines and books because that's where they were more popular. If you have a look in the Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Warm Dust section, you can see that I have dropped in a link. They made a splash when they were seen by Pope Paul VI. (I think that was the correct Pope)
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@Allan Nonymous Karl is making valid arguments under WP:BAND#c5 and c6. That isn't an absolute case against deletion, but it isn't fallacious. Mach61 13:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I might look again later but there's this (page 13) in Disc and Music Echo. A lot of what I'm finding merely mentions the band once. toweli (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Toweli, Hi thanks for the Disc and Music Echo "Warm Dust `back' Lennon" article link. That got me searching and I've found a few more articles now. I found the Record Mirror, October 9, 1971 article "Warm Dust slam the British mass media" on page 23, Melody Maker, July 25, 1970, News in Brief, Warm Dust section, Page 35, Melody Maker, May 1, 1971 "No Dust on peace show" article on Page 4, and the Melody Maker, January 30, 1971 article, War, Peace and Warm Dust article by Andrew Means on Page 11. So we have five articles on the group plus there's other stuff in newspaper archives that I can't access. One has to subscribe to them.
Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 12:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; in response to my above comment defending Karl, I note again that WP:NMUSIC is not absolute (conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept). Aside from the stunt with Pope John, this band seems to be a footnote in the Paul Carrack story; I can't find anything usable for WP:GNG purposes, nor even WP:RS that go into enough depth for me to think this article should stick around. An article should never have to rely on unreliable blogs or be composed of facts from a bunch of miscellanious stray mentions in RS, which is all this band has. Mach61 19:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin, Even though I believe there's enough on Warm Dust to warrant a keep, could I ask please that if a consensus eventually leans towards a deletion, you might consider the option of redirecting rather than deleting? This way we can preserve the history and links. There are a number of possibilities. There is Paul Carrack in his Career section, Ace, and there's Alan King etc. Thanks. Karl Twist (talk) 07:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Karl Twist we can't really do that, see WP:XY Mach61 12:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we can. It's done all the time and there is already a section for the Warm Dust group on Carrack's page. I didn't make it. Karl Twist (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or redirect--He's always been dismissive of them, but brief mentions of the band have appeared in RS on Carrack for five decades. A 1982 Rolling Stone profile mentions that their "major [sic] to fame was a psychedelic antiwar LP". The only early 1970s things I found were short articles or reviews in Kensington and Chelsea News, Daily Post (Liverpool), and The Oregon Journal. Caro7200 (talk) 11:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because of the sources linked by Karl Twist. toweli (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in view of the sources identified in this discussion by Karl Twist and Caro 7200 including reliable newspapers and magazines that together enable a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's sufficient coverage now referenced to evidence the notability of the subject and to sustain an article. Good work by @Karl Twist. ResonantDis_tortion 12:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply, @ResonantDistortion:, thanks. It was a bit of a job. It was @Toweli: with the Disc and Music Echo "Warm Dust `back' Lennon" article link. That got me keen to find more. I realize that I needed to search deeper. And then I found stuff that I had missed. Cheers
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Delete: Term is apparently used in astronomy, that's all Gbooks brings up. I don't find any sources otherwise, and what's been presented is brief mentions. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Just a post to show where I'm up to so far as per the table below.

Update so far
Publication	Date	Page	Title	Notes	Link
Disc and Music Echo	June 6, 1970	13	Warm Dust `back' Lennon	article about Warm Dust	link
Melody Maker	July 25, 1970	35	News in Brief, Warm Dust	Warm Dust section in article 92 w	link
Melody Maker	January 30, 1971	11	War, Peace and Warm Dust by Andrew Means	article about Warm Dust	link
Melody Maker	May 1, 1971	Page 4	No Dust on peace show	article about Warm Dust	link
Record Mirror	October 9, 1971	23	Media Apathy, Warm Dust slam the British mass media	article about Warm Dust	link
Beat Instrumental	April 1972	14	Profile Alan Solomon	Profile on Warm Dust saxophonist, keyboard player. A good deal of it is about Warm Dust	link
Sunday Mirror	Sunday 08 November 1970	19	White Hope for Today	article about Warm Dust and their white poppy stunt	link
Record Mirror	May 16, 1970	14	New Albums, WARM DUST: Warm Dust (Trend TNLS 700)	review on Warm Dust album, And It Came To Pass mistakenly referred to as Warm Dust	link
Record Mirror	December 26, 1970	Page 15	Mirrorpick/LPs, WARM DUST: "Peace For Our Time." - Trend 6480 001]	review on Peace for Our Time album	link
Record Mirror	April 24, 1971	Page 18	Mirrorpick, PETER JONES ON THE NEW SINGLES, WARM DUST: It's A Beautiful Day (Trend)	short review by Peter Jones on Warm Dust single, "It's a Beautiful Day"	link

OK, the first seven in the table are articles about Warm Dust. There's another one in the British Newspaper archive but I can't read the title. All reliable sources. I may have a look around later to see if I can fine more.
Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 09:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing anything particular strong, but maybe an WP:ATD is possible. For your above suggestion, which talk about Paul Carrack specifically? IgelRM (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, Hi IgelRM. Well, Paul Carrack is the man people think of most when they talk about Warm Dust. Carrack was also a member of the Milwaukee Coasters who according to John Surguy was the band that Warm Dust evolved out of. See: John Surguy - Warm Dust Interview — The Self Portrait Gospel. And I imagine this is the same UK group that recorded for the Pama Records label. As Carrack was a major player in the band it would make sense that a re-direct would go to him if the Warm Dust page was somehow deleted.
That being said, I can't see how it should be deleted when with the seven articles I provided in the table above prove that it has passed the below,

Wikipedia:BAND#C1 with it being the "subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable" etc. etc.
Wikipedia:BAND#C5 as they have had releases on BASF, Metronome, Stateside, Trend and Uni labels. So that should satisfy the requirement of having "released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels" etc. etc.
Wikipedia:BAND#C6 as Paul Carrack, Alan King are notable. And quite likely Keith Bailey would be too. So that satisfies the requirement of Warm Dust being "an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians".
Wikipedia:BAND#C10 as they have been on the Beat-Club show where they performed the Richie Havens classic "Indian Rope Man" and "Warm Dust Worm Dance" Parts 1 & 2. They have been on multiple other German and possibly other Euro country television broadcasts. That could satisfy " performance in a television show or notable film". It is possible that they may even qualify for Wikipedia:BAND#C12 but I can't access info on German or Dutch TV shows.

Now, it's been said elsewhere on this page that the article relied on "unreliable blogs or be composed of facts from a bunch of miscellanious stray mentions". Well, I've gotten rid of all of those so-called "unreliable", possibly bar one or two which are in unison with a reliable source. And none of the seven articles about Warm Dust in the above table I provided are stray mentions. They are articles about the band. And the other three are reviews on their work. Definitely not stray mentions! And page 16 of the 28 November, 1970 Fleetwood Mac article preserved on the website about the lovely Joni Mitchell is not stray mention either. While it appears to be no more than 100 words, the title is misleading. It is more about Warm Dust than it is Fleetwood Mac! And the The Encyclopedia of Popular Music Warm Dust entry which I haven't added to the page is something that I would call useful at the very least.

As you can see, this is what the page looked like, or you can see it alternatively here (Example 1) when the AFD tag was applied.
When I cleaned it up a fair bit and added better refs, it now looks like this, or you can see it alternatively here (Example 2)

Well, I can say that there's more than sufficient proof now that the article qualifies as a keep.

Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 08:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with Karl these citations are more than brief mentions. Furthermore I've just added an album review in an independent German periodical here. Evidence that further coverage is highly likely in non-English sources. ResonantDis_tortion 18:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Plenty of music press and some general press coverage about the band from 1970-1972; I've just added another ref about meeting the Pope from The Times. Adam Sampson (talk) 09:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fasl-ı Cedid

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Probably need a native speaker to figure out whether this is notable from sources such as http://bodrumkoro.org/cevdetcagla.html Chidgk1 (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I was able to find sources like [16] and [17] that mention the subject; also many other reliable sources point out that Santuri Hilmi Bey, the person considered to be the representative of this musical ensemble (or style) is the grandfather of the composer of the current Turkish national anthem, Osman Zeki Üngör. I believe there is a plausible potential to find more sources if we could search the offline archives or books, based on the references given for the subject in these kinds of academic papers. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the topic is also discussed in two other academic papers I found here and here. Mccapra (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It is discussed by quite a few sources. [18][19] Aintabli (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Fleeting Ends

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Not seeing anything that would make this a pass under WP:BAND. No in depth reviews, charting records or significant awards or recognition. Mccapra (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not Sure: I updated existing references and added some additional ones. It looks like the band was active 2008-2015 and then again in 2018 with Vantine and others. For the reformed band in 2018, the references I found list different people than the article originally named (I changed the article to reflect what's in the sources). The originally named people are in pictures that are part of the article but I can't find any sources that link them directly to "The Fleeting Ends". There is coverage of this band in the local Philly outlets that cover indie bands, it's more limited outside - I see some newspaper articles that announced tour dates and the Popmatters magazine article about a release in 2018. I'd rather someone with more knowledge about WP:BAND weigh in. Nnev66 (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Gibson (Christian musician)

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Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) (2nd nomination)

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I propose this article for deletion because there are many, many, many "sources" but which are often profiles and biographies sometimes written by the artist himself and anonymous users, the sourcing is horrible and it is difficult to find your way around, if the article is eligible it is absolutely necessary to rework the sourcing, I tried to improve it, but... SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 23:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also a lot of these "sources" come from databases like AllMusic, are there any press articles or better quality elements? SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 01:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep has had a No.1 hit album and other hits on Billboards Top Christian Albums chart and also has coverage in album reviews on reliable sources such as AllMusic and CrossRythmns. Also this is significant coverage with a byeline here, and also here. The article can be rewritten or shortened but AfD is not for clean-up purposes, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Atlantic306, I am not against keeping the article and you may be right about the non-necessity of this Afd, I could not find where I could make this type of request. But in the current state the article should be put back in draft and be republished later when a sorting of sources will be done because the article is hardly clear in the current state SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 09:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, although it happens articles older than 6 months are not supposed to be moved to draft so if it is kept it needs to be fixed while in mainspace, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing on this article is a mess. Far, far too many citations to sources that don't help with notability, which makes assessing it very difficult. I have gone through every single reference and found exactly one that in my opinion shows notability: Soultracks bio, which looks like an independent and in-depth biography. Doing a search, I have found: Hot Hits book, a little snippet; Charisma and Christian Life, a frustratingly obscured piece that looks to be mostly about an album but I can't be sure. The second source Atlantic306 has noted is an interview, which cannot contribute to notability (sorry).

In short, based on the sources I could find, delete. It feels like there should be enough RS somewhere out there, but they're not in the article and I can't find enough to say keep. Atlantic306, do you have access to any offline sources that are pushing you towards keep? He seems like he ought to be notable...maybe some of his albums are notable and we could redirect? StartGrammarTime (talk) 07:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't have access to any offline sources but there are quite a few book results in a google search which I cant assess unfortunately as either its a small snippet given or none at all. Reviews of his music do count towards notability so I would include the reviews on CrossRythmns and on AllMusic (the paragraph ones, not the single sentence ones), imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: SparklingBlueMoon, why is this AFD called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) (2nd nomination) when there has been no Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson (Christian musician) nor a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Gibson? Why is this the 2nd nomination? Was there a previous AFD under a different page title? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Liz, when I tried to make the nomination manually a message told me that there had already been a result before but it is not impossible that it was an error. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We need some more opinions here.
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Elvish Yadav

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Notability issue. Winning one show and couple of music videos are not enough. Xegma(talk) 05:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems to me that the 50 ish refs do make the subject pass WP:NBASIC, could you specify the guideline that you are using to determine if they are notable or not? Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 12:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notability for WP:GNG is determined by significant coverage in multiple reliable sources and that is already demonstrated by the references in the article including many newspaper articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom, almost half of the refs are about Bigg Boss OTT. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 18:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep: Clearly appears to be the subject of much third-party coverage from reviewing the sources. StewdioMACK (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would be helpful to identify which sources provide SIGCOV helping to establish GNG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sources 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9 are about this person, as are most of the other sources used in the article. I think we have enough to establish notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viva Van

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Article deleted by consensus last month; G4 Speedy contested. Additional sources added by contester still don't appear to meet GNG as they are either results/routine coverage or interviews with the subject. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Viva Van is currently active with AEW/ROH, the previous discussion was relisted however it was deleted before any additional discussion could take place, I've added an article from the Miami Herald, as well as several Fightful Select, Post Wrestling etc. links which we use on several pages concerning independent wrestlers. I think her role in the CMLL Women's championship match against Willow Nightingale is a good example of notability. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:59C0:5620:58ED:634F:B3D5:5673 (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Same reasoning as my !vote a month or so ago, just not enough to show notability. Match reports are about all that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 00:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Creator of the article here, my reasoning is similar to that of Thief-River-Faller. She makes recurring appearances in AEW/ROH (even if only as an "enhancement talent"), and has made appearances for both of Mexico's main promotions, AAA (appearing at their main event of the year, Triplemanía, in 2023) and CMLL (the aforementioned women's championship match involving Willow Nightingale), and as a result has been subject of articles from mainstream publications such as the Miami Herald. EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 11:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Just last month. a previous AFD closed as Delete so I think the discussion would benefit from a little more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I've added more sources to the article where she is the primary topic. One source is Pro Wrestling Illustrated, which is a generally reliable source on WikiProject Pro Wrestling's list of sources, as well as an interview conducted by Denise Salcedo. Salcedo is an employee of Wrestling Observer Newsletter and Fightful, both of which are considered reliable sources by the aforementioned list. These new sources, in addition to sources already in the article, help her clear WP:SIGCOV criteria. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews of the subject cannot be used to meet WP:GNG due to not being independent of the subject. Both of the sources you added were interviews with the subject. I'm still not seeing anything in the article which indicates the subject has met GNG in the month since the last article was deleted (which, if this is kept, should be undeleted and attributed to, since I don't think there was much different). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As I pointed, my main concern is the sources. Wrestlers need reliable sources focusing on them. Most of the article is just WP:RESULTS, that means, reports about TV shows where she worked, but the report is not about her. We can use Cagematch and create articles for every wrestler on the planet, that's why we need to include sources about the wrestler. For example, AEW section has 5 sources, 4 of them, WP:RESULTS. ROH section has 1 source, which is WP:RESULTS (Her ROH career isn't notable). Impact Wrestling has one source, WP:RESULTS. Almost every match on the Independent Circuit it's WP:RESULTS (I don't get why her work with Hoodslam it's relevant at all). We can't just take matches from famous promotions to create an article. On the other side, it's fine to read articles from Denice or Miami Herald about her. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Denice interview has too little secondary context to base a BLP article off of it, especially so since in this instance it's published on The Sportster which is redlisted at WP:RS/PS#Valnet and specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS. The PWI interview is literally just the raw interview on YouTube. Even if we count Miami Herald, that's still one source. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. This article is a moving target as sources are being added and removed during the course of this discussion. Sources that merely mention an appearance in a match and pure interviews are not considered SIGCOV. A source assessment table might help settle the disagreement over the quality of the sources.
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