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A 2018 edit[edit]

A long, long time ago, on Mian Tahir Pervaz, you added this citation {{cite news|title=List of winners of Punjab Assembly seats|url=|accessdate=18 January 2018|work=The News|date=13 May 2013|language=en}}[1] It links to an article titled Dhoni’s cricket brain crucial for India at World Cup. I don't see any mention of Pervaz or politics. Did change their numbering scheme? No hits from Googling "List of winners of Punjab Assembly seats" for The URL has not been archived on the Wayback Machine. Should the citation simply be deleted.

Citation [3]: PML-N MPA, sons named in FIR over sexually abusing minor domestic help appears to have Pervaz' photo, but does not mention him by name. Should that citation be removed?

BTW: There is also an article Muhammad Tahir Pervaiz, which has a recent AKA as Mian Tahir Pervaz. Should the two be merged? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  1. ^ "List of winners of Punjab Assembly seats". The News. 13 May 2013. Retrieved 18 January 2018.
@Adakiko: It's indeed strange that The News story seems to have been deleted, especially considering it wasn't controversial in any way. Perhaps they changed the URLs, as I've noticed similar occurrences recently. It's also concerning that the Wayback Machine didn't archive the page. Anyways, I've replaced the reference for verification for now. Regarding the third reference, it did mention the subject in the second paragraph. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking care of that! News sites often remove articles after a limited time. Some have their own archives, others do not. One has to make a request for the Wayback Machine to archive. Also, litigation has forced the Wayback Machine not to archive some websites.
What is with with that teapot? Someone requested deletion. The editor uploaded two images with that teapot. Editor's uploads The image is also the Simple English Wiki: simple:Mian Tahir Pervaz and simple:Mian Tahir Jameel. If you understand why it's vandalism, you might chime in on the nomination pages: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Abid Sher Ali.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mian Tahir Jameel.jpg. I just assumed it was some sort of logo or something. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 11:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adakiko: It's not a logo or a teapot, but rather a "LOOTA" which is used in toilets in South Asia. Its depiction in this context could be seen as vandalism or even libelous. In Pakistan, "loota" refer to lawmakers who frequently change political parties. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 11:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see: Lota (vessel)#Idioms and literature. Thanks! Adakiko (talk) 11:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A candidate of XXXX?[edit]

Seems like all your creations have the same copy-paste error, please slow down and improve your creations. Fram (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram: No need to worry. I've fixed all of them. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems as though you created the articles in a hurry this time around and did not take great care in finding the existing articles for MPs. I have so far found duplicate articles for three Sindh Assembly members among the articles which you created recently. Did you use some kind of automated method to create articles in bulk as there are multiple articles created in a single minute? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SheriffIsInTown: I wish there were an automated tool for this, but unfortunately, I had to search manually for each lawmaker to see if they already had a WP BLP. If no results came up, I created one. Mistakes can happen, especially with spelling variations in lawmakers' names. I saved most of the pages in one go, which might give the impression of using an automated tool. Out of the over 250 BLPs I created recently, you've only found a couple that already existed, demonstrating that I did conduct thorough Google searches. The main issue isn't creating single-line BLPs, stubs will grow over time, as they did back in 2018. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, which assembly had the most duplicate BLPs that you found? I'd like to review them and see where things went wrong. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only checked Sindh Assembly so far and that too just a fraction. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SheriffIsInTown: OK it appears that most of the duplication issues were in BLPs related to Karachi MPAs. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 08:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not get to BLP articles other than the Karachi ones yet so it is hard to conclude that. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice for Invalid Deletion Request & Conflict Resolution[edit]

Dear Saqib,

I hope you doing well,

It has been observed that you have been nominating my articles for invalid deletion, brother I would like to clarify whats the matter as you have nominated invalid article delectation, I told you earlier as well, lets work together to improve WP:Pakistan as team as others are working why you dont understand? lets talk and solve our matters as you are not reading articles and nominating for deleting and instead of adding citations or improvement request you are just adding invalid deleting invalid templates, lets work together and improve for betterment of Wikipedia and those article which you feel require improvement we can improve them as I always take my all articles as responsibility and its our responsibility to improve articles.

I will also help to improve your articles by adding citations which I already did in past, but you always act negatively which count under WP:NPA policy.

Let me know, if we can be friends, and wish you Happy HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN & LAIL UL QADIR

JAZAKALLAH Faizan Munawar Varya chat contributions 21:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Faizanalivarya: This is quite amusing. On one hand, you're falsely accusing me of personal attacks and requesting a ban on me, while on the other hand, you're seeking friendship with me. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib I am not falsely accusing you for anything, did you read my articles? instead of improving it you just ask for deletion and you also went to my created articles and kept doing the same, so it does cover under WP:NPA policy which you did break, you need to work on your behavior, I did visit your contribution history, you didnt make any significant change in improving wikipedia you just projected negativity instead of contributing on main pages you like to write on peoples talk pages, and try to increase your edit count which is again a breaking of Wikipedia editing policy WP:EP.
I report you because your action is totally biased, false and invalid and ask for friendship because we are here to improve Wikipedia as I said I can improve your articles not issues, if I want I can also nominate your article for deleting but I am not like that, I love to help and assist people as much as I can.
And As its Ramadan going on we can respect each other and learn from each other, if still you will keep breaking polices so unfortunately I need to keep the reporting against you if you think you can change and truly want to improve wikipedia so we can work together and improve Wp:pakistan and other projects.
I am working on many sideline projects with Wikimedia foundation in UK so I can add you in those as well but you need to change your attitude towards people and be nice with them.
I hope to end with a positive note again, lets join hands and work together. Happy Ramadan :) Faizan Munawar Varya chat contributions 23:52, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Faizanalivarya: I'm not interested in your offers if it means turning a blind eye to the violations you commit on BLPs. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 13:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does not mean anything @saqib you are ignoring the positive gesture of helping and contribution for Wikipedia together as team. I do not appreciate any violations if there is any issue you are welcome to highlight but reporting something which is invalid that would be not appreciated. Cheers man Faizan Munawar Varya chat contributions 16:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Notice for Invalid deletion request[edit]

Hi Dear Saqib, You have nominated Rana Muhammad Akram Khan for deletion for the reason that there is no reference that is directly about him but it was pointed out there. Apparently, you seem to nominate articles for deletions not on basis of any solid ground but rather out of your confusion, Please remember that successive deletion nominations go against wikipedia's policy as it can discourage potential editors. kind regards. DavidSchop (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidSchop: The nomination for deletion of the BLP of Rana Muhammad Akram Khan makes complete sense as he does not warrant a WP entry at this time. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a circular or Begging the question argument. please get a life. DavidSchop (talk) 18:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy notice[edit]

Hi Saqib. I have blanked and redirected Sarah Ahmad (Pakistani politician) to Sarah Ahmad as it had more content! I thought I'd let you know. Cheers Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeraxmoira: OK no issue but Sarah Ahmad contained OR. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 10:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noam Bettan[edit]

Hello, could you help me give a linguistic cleaning to the Noam Bettan article? --Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Acartonadooopo: It's not something I'm interested in. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 20:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is not of interest to you, why do I think about the deletion. If you didn't like the article or us in general, you didn't have to do it. Well, thank you, it made everything worse.--Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Acartonadooopo: What do you mean by "us"? Just to let you know, I've many good Israeli friends. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 20:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eid Mubarak![edit]

Eid Mubarak!
آپ کو اور آپ کے گھر والوں کو دل کی اتھاہ گہرائیوں سے عید کی خوشیاں بہت بہت مبارک۔

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SheriffIsInTown: Thank you. Eid Mubarak to you too! --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfair advantage because of Jimmy[edit]

Hey, I perceive that you might have an unfair advantage on ANI and other noticeboards because of your photo with Jimmy Wales, possibly due to editors' respect for the Wikipedia founder. You're entitled to manage your user page as you see fit, but I want to express my observation that simply meeting Jimmy at a conference and taking a photo with him doesn't necessarily mean you're close friends with him. Likewise, it doesn't diminish the contributions of editors who haven't had the opportunity to meet him. I've noticed that during conflicts or controversial editing situations (15:30, 19 March 2024), you sometimes restore his picture (22:10, 19 March 2024), perhaps as a symbolic gesture to gain support. It's worth mentioning that others are aware of this as well. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your message caught me off guard. I never implied that I was a friend of Jimmy, did I? I simply met him at a Wikimania conference and thought it would be nice to have a photo with him on my user page. I'm surprised or rather disappointed by your suggestion that having a photo with Jimmy could confer some sort of influence or unfair advantage to me here. I must say that your focus on me rather than on the articles is concerning. I encourage you to redirect your energy towards constructive collaboration and improvement of WP articles. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adil Raja's Draft Page[edit]

Hell Saqib. I worked on Draft:Adil Raja. You said it should "meet any of the eight academic-specific criteria" or "cite multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth". Firstly, why does it need to meet an academic specific criteria? I never mentioned that he was linked with education. He's a journalist. Additionally, I cited 66 different news about him. I worked really hard on the article and kept it as neutral as possible. Please tell me what I can do to get it accepted. Thank you so much bro!

WarriorYt43 (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WarriorYt43: IMO the BLP still fails to meet WP:N. The page relies on some unreliable sources, lacks a NPOV, and promotional in nature. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is it not neutral and how is it promotional? I tried to make it the best to my ability. I still don't know why you're saying fails to meet WP:N. How's it not notable? There's more news on Adil Raja as of today. Please help me so I can actually get this published. Quote any biased sentences from my draft. You should accept the draft so others can assist me in making it better. Thank you WarriorYt43 (talk) 17:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK allow me to cleanup the page first. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Thank you so much bro! WarriorYt43 (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should I re-submit the draft now? WarriorYt43 (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorYt43: Not yet. Thus far, I've only removed unacceptable sources. However, the content previously cited by those unacceptable sources remains and needs to be addressed as well. It's not advisable to resubmit it in its current state. I'm also occupied with other tasks, so it will take some time. If you're able, please review each line and remove any material that could be considered WP:OR. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better for you to do it because I'm not that experienced. Take your time. Thank you! WarriorYt43 (talk) 11:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello User:Saqib. Just a reminder, do you mind fixing up Draft:Adil Raja? Update me when it's fixed so I can resubmit the draft. Thank you so much bro WarriorYt43 (talk) 09:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see, I'm still occupied with other important tasks. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 08:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Just didn't want you to forget about it WarriorYt43 (talk) 15:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Imaan Zainab Mazari for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Imaan Zainab Mazari is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice of noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at WP:AN regarding violation of Wikipedia WP:HA policy and harassing other wikipedians. The thread is thread name of the discussion. The discussion is about the topic Reporting User Saqib for harassing other Users. Thank you. — Faizan Munawar Varya chat contributions 01:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry[edit]

We need to talk on this topic brother. Can you hand over the ownership to this page? Stardust512 (talk) 20:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I'm not owner of this BLP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay i want to know who is owner and how to contact him? Stardust512 (talk) 21:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one really 'owns' WP pages. Anyone, even you, can edit them. But if something's backed up by WP:RS, it's gotta stay put. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay i understand WP:RS what if i just simply put info on my web and then reference it in any article. Person is being maligned on wiki platform. You need to consider my request or else what options i have? Stardust512 (talk) 21:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please remove Family background. I will provide authentic information about him or i will edit it my self. I need protection for this article to protect it from vandalism. Stardust512 (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP operates on the basis of well-sourced information, so you can't just dismiss it as vandalism when it's properly cited. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what is the mechanism to verify the well sourced and being properly cited information being authentic? Stardust512 (talk) 21:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Starkex is the owner please help me reach him outside wiki as he is not replying on talk page. Stardust512 (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Pakistani general election[edit]

Hi Saqib. I think this edit was against consensus. If we want to add prime ministerial candidates then we should replace Nawaz Sharif with Shehbaz Sharif who actually became the prime minister. Also, can you remove Indian web editor's gossip coverage about Shehbaz_Sharif#Family marriages? Inclusion of Nilofar Khosa and Syeda Kulsume Hai violates WP:BLPPRIVACY. (talk) 23:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haji Muhammad Bashir's Draft Page[edit]

Dear Mr. Saqib,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to express my disagreement with the recent decline of my Wikipedia article submission Draft:Haji_Muhammad_Bashir, citing insufficient reference coverage.

I respectfully submit that the references provided, particularly the articles from reputable sources such as Cricket World and Express Tribune, offer comprehensive coverage of the subject's life. For instance, the article from Cricket World, available at "", is a complete biography of Mr. Bashir and provides a thorough overview of their contributions. Additionally, the piece from Express Tribune, accessible via "", offers further insight into their significance, published by a prominent newspaper in Pakistan.

Furthermore, I have ensured that the other references included in my submission contain substantial information relevant to the subject matter. It is notable that I have observed several Wikipedia articles lacking references altogether, exemplified by the page "". In comparison, my article is meticulously referenced and offers a more comprehensive overview.

Given these considerations, I kindly request your assistance in reconsidering the publication of my article or providing guidance on how to meet the necessary criteria for acceptance.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your response and guidance.

Sincerely, M.Mahmood256 (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see enough solid coverage in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. This news story is fine but that alone isn't sufficient. Also, there're unreliable sources cited in the bio that need to be removed. Without some revisions, I can't approve it. I'm here to help though. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has further news stories from other reputable channels that offer similar coverage to the mentioned news story. Additionally, I firmly believe that the article from Express Tribune and the pieces from CricketWorld provide substantive coverage of the subject's biography.
I would appreciate if you can make the necessary revisions to ensure compliance with Wikipedia's standards by removing any unreliable sources you identify to enhance the article's credibility and reliability. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First off, please remove the WP:OR from the bio. I've noticed that some content cited references that aren't actually in those sources. Once you've cleaned up the WP:OR, I'll take another look. Also, I've already taken out some unreliable references. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've cleaned up some things, can you please take another look if it's all ready. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
M.Mahmood256, The bio still contains WP:OR. For example, I'm unable to find citation for He was married and had two sons, three daughters, and nineteen grandchildren. Like I said before, please remove original research.Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All this information is written in the CricketWorld story, including details about his date of birth, his children and family. The writer has mentioned that the information he mentioned in his story is provided by his sons and Pakistan Cricket board officials.
I believe this story is a reliable citation. But if you still think that it is not enough, then you can also remove this lines related to his family and there would not be any impact on the subject's bio. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 21:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
M.Mahmood256, You haven't been active on WP since 11 May, so how do you know I posted this message today?Saqib (talk I contribs) 22:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have linked my email id and I receive updates on my email address. M.Mahmood256 (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Once these are closed, I know CUs frown upon adding more. Maybe start a new SPI under the same name. Just FYI. CNMall41 (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1984,1980 coups[edit]

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakat, brother I've seen that you've added more citations and original research tags to these two articles I created (I also created 1974 one but I haven't fixed it yet), so I invite you to check them again, I am a bit busy on other articles so although I've more citations I haven't added them all. I think this many citations are enough. If not you can just ping me to inform. I'll add more. I've therefore removed the tags on those articles because I think the problems are resolved. May Allah bless you with a happy day . Waleed (talk) 00:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M Waleed: Thanks for adding more citations. It looks okay to me, but I was hoping for a bit more. I hope you continue to improve the page. It was quite interesting, BTW. Thanks for your contributions! —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some sources from newspapers, but currently I'm researching about the particular battles of Siachen conflict. I would add more sources in coup articles. Waleed (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just going over some of the pages you made & I noticed they could use some more sources. Plus, there's a bit of WP:OR going on in there which you want to avoid. Another editor raised similar concerns too. When we're talking about historical stuff, it's important to make sure we've got solid sources backing up every bit of info we put in there. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First Baloch conflict, I added 4 books and 1 academic source then I removed the tag Waleed (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I might give it a look later on. Meanwhile please ensure that relevant WikiProject templates such as Template:WikiProject Pakistan are added to the article's talk page. Additionally, please keep in mind that not every event merits a WP page, only those that meet WP:NEVENTS should be considered. Happy editing! —Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was a whole conflict and I make articles only for those events which are notable (have more than 50 deaths and have had a significant effect. Like all the 3 Baloch conflicts are highly notable, similar is the case with the coup attempts, accidental Soviet infiltrations and conflicts in dir. There are some low level mutinies and conflicts like that but aren't notable so I didn't create articles for them. The conflicts which I thought needed articles for Pakistan, I've made all of em (I may find some more in the future). And moreover the Second Baloch conflict I've removed the tag after giving 7 more book sources. Waleed (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Saqib assalamualaikum brother and good morning, I've added like 7 sources each for both second and third Balochistan conflict and then removed the tags, I've added 2 sources for 1976 dir rebellion but I know it needs more so I didn't remove the tag there Waleed (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Feedback: Al Islah Center's Notability and Article Revision Proposal[edit]

Dear Saqib, Thank you for reviewing our submission for the Al Islah Center. We appreciate your feedback and understand the importance of ensuring that Wikipedia articles meet the necessary criteria for verifiability and neutrality. We believe that the Al Islah Center is indeed a notable organization, and we are committed to providing the required references to demonstrate its significance. We will ensure that these references are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject, as per Wikipedia's guidelines. Additionally, we acknowledge your concern regarding the tone of the submission and its resemblance to an advertisement. We will take this into account and strive to rewrite the article from a neutral point of view, referring to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. If you are open to collaboration, we would welcome the opportunity to work with you to revise and improve the article together. Please let us know if you are willing to provide guidance and support in this process. Thank you for your time and consideration. Mehdiaic (talk) 07:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I might not be able to contribute to this page since I'm busy with other priorities, like patrolling new pages, which is quite demanding. However, I'm happy to provide guidance on how to improve the article. Firstly, you've to remove any content that sounds like advertisement. Next, you should replace references linked with the organization with ones that meet the criteria outlined in WP:RS. Once those steps are done, I'll take another look. As it stands, the current version of the article won't get my approval. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Saqib, for your guidance on improving the article. I completely understand that you're occupied with patrolling new pages and appreciate you taking the time to provide feedback. I'll work on removing any promotional content and replacing references with more reliable sources as per the WP:RS criteria. Once these adjustments are made, I'll be sure to let you know for further review. Your input is invaluable in maintaining the quality and integrity of Wikipedia articles. Mehdiaic (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 07:44:39, 7 May 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by[edit] (talk) 07:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion[edit]

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May 2024[edit]

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Hello Saqib. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Waqar Zaka, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Saqib. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Saqib|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Lkomdis (talk) 04:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion[edit]

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Notice of noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding Harassment. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Dear Saqib, You are constantly removing the articles that I have created without citing any reliable reasons. Just now, you have moved my article in the draft space Draft:Kashan Admani - Wikipedia. If I have COI, he should prove it. If there is some information that is not reliable, there is Citation needed template available. Perhaps, you are having some agenda to remove the pages that I create. I have humbly sought an admin support and guidance in this matter. You are more than welcome to comment on the issue. Thanks!|Dear Saqib, You are constantly removing the articles that I have created without citing any reliable reasons. Just now, you have moved my article in the draft space Draft:Kashan Admani - Wikipedia. If I have COI, he should prove it. If there is some information that is not reliable, there is Citation needed template available. Perhaps, you are having some agenda to remove the pages that I create. I have humbly sought an admin support and guidance in this matter. You are more than welcome to comment on the issue. Thanks!]]. Thank you.~~~~

Notice of Harassment[edit]

Dear Saqib,

Please feel free to explain your actions on the Admin Noticeboard. Thanks!

{{subst:AN-notice}}~~~~ Aanuarif (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aanuarif: Okay, got it, another notice. How many do I have to defend BTW? And please make sure to place notices properly. It keeps things neat and my tp won't look this messy. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot comment on how many you need to contest or defend. No one likes contesting notices and I feel for you for being in this position. I only have this one going on with you and rightfully so. Aanuarif (talk) 12:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


If you are getting stressed out, you should take a break. You don't have to respond to everything. You can wait for an admin or uninvolved editors to ask you something and answer only that. I just started looking a bit, to try and see if I can find anything actionable, and the first diff of note so far was yours, sorry to say. Just don't do this. It undermines your point and shifts focus toward your conduct rather than others'. If you find yourself about to publish something like that again, stop, take a break, come back and publish when you can bring yourself to write something inocuous like "signing unsigned".

I'll let you know if I find something. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't need a break. I'm not as down as those UPEs who are flooding in to attack me. As a human, it's normal to get annoyed when you're repeatedly attacked in just one week by different UPEs. But I'm learning how to deal with these folks, so I'll be more careful with my words from now on. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD some articles[edit]

One thing that might be good for you to do is to nominate some of the sock created (or heavily edited) articles for deletion and check the accounts involved for socking. That might draw out the sockfarm and help thin its herd and help us identify the scope and methods of this sock. I've already found two possible socks just by looking around. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allan Nonymous, I've already nominated some pages for deletion and UPEs like Libraa2019 have already voted to keep. You can check it out: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan.Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd open an SPI on a lot of the keep voters here. This seems to be the farm in question. Already opened one on the person in question (who seems to be one of their article creators). Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Allan Nonymous, Thanks - but they're voting to keep AfDs using IPs, too. One of them is blocked, but some are unblocked and their editing behavior is exactly the same. I'm concerned that the closing admins might just close the AfDs based on non-consensus.Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remember, AfD is not a vote, so if a UPE is pushing, it can be ignored without affecting consensus. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Allan Nonymous, I know AfD isn't a vote, but I've seen some closed the AfDs when there are many "keep" comments, even without proper rationales. But I don't blame the admins. They just err on the side of caution and close based on non-consensus.Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd advise you put a comment at the bottom "for closing admins" notifying them of the Nauman335 UPE farm efforts that may have influenced AfD on these articles and additionally, tag certain accounts as SPAs. That can help inform them and give them cause to ignore the socking. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Allan Nonymous, Your suggestion backfired on me on various AfDs. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hasan Khan (actor), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kehkashan Awan (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anumta Qureshi (2nd nomination).Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was suggesting you mention the sock concerns (i.e. "aggressive UPE farms have played a major in this article"). If you mention a specific editor who hasn't been conclusively identified as a sock, that's a pretty clear case WP:ASPERSIONS (even if they may still be a possible sock). Sorry that wasn't clear. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing logged out[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits to while logged out. Please be mindful not to perform controversial edits while logged out, or your account risks being blocked from editing. Please consider reading up on Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts before editing further. Additionally, making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Saqib,
I realize that you have been provoked by some IP editors recently but this editor appeared to support several of your AFD nominations and I want to make sure you are not editing logged out. Thank you for your response. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, Come on, Liz, seriously? This needs a thorough investigation. I assure you, it wasn't me. I'm not foolish enough to edit or even support my own AfDs using IPs. Please feel free to struck them down. I don't care about those votes! So now, if any IP votes "keep" on my AfD nomination, you'll automatically think it's me? I guess I'm done then.Saqib (talk I contribs) 23:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check out my remarks when an IP voted "keep" on my AfD nomination. Feel free to strike it down, too. I already have a STRONG opinion that IPs shouldn't be even allowed to participate in AfDs, in the first place. However, I seriously suggest you getting a CU done on me and/or remove this warning from my tp because it wasn't me. And Thank god, IPs didn't vote "keep" on a AfD where I almost lost the case.Saqib (talk I contribs) 23:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look what I found for you. Now do the math and figure it out yourself.Saqib (talk I contribs) 00:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SPI and other stuff[edit]

Hey Saqib, I get where you are coming from but in this particular scenario where the suspected editor has already been part of other SPIs along the current one yet they have not been confirmed with one CU explicitly stating there is no evidence they are using multiple accounts, I think it's best not to bring it up and UPE has not been confirmed either. Going around and spreading they are suspected might be a legitimate cause for WP:HARASSMENT or WP:NPA. Haven't you had enough AN/ANI/COIN/Admin talk page complaints lol? WP:LOUT is confirmed so that's fair to point out. I guess treat it like you would a Wikipedia source means no mention.

On other note, what you do think about putting to together a Pakistan source guide in your User space? At some point I think getting some them in font of WP:RSN is needed so they get added to the citation highlighters used by NPP and others (ex. User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter which should install if you haven't already). Lastly, thanks your note about my COIN comment as it's never my desire fuel the flames. S0091 (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, Got it, I'll try my best to avoid calling them socks, but I did mention they are suspected, and one of them very much suspected UPE, at least - though of course, we don't have evidence of that either. Thanks for the heads-up though. And sure, I'll definitely create a guide at some point to outline wihch Pakistani sources can be considered RS and which cannot. It's definitely needed moving forward.Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Playing wack-a-mole with socks is probably loosing strategy or at the very least a time consuming one. A the of the day the main issue, as I understand it, is they are creating non-notable drafts/articles based on non-WP:RS. The best way to combat it is to ensure the community knows a source is not WP:RS so no matter who uses it, UPE/sock or an AGF editor, those sources will not be considered when trying to assess notability (or WP:V for that matter) by NPP or AfC. As you know, sources like Galaxy Lollywood which is a blog should not be used at all but it's not documented. S0091 (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S0091, You made a good point and I've taken note of it. Suggestions like these will definitely help me moving forward.Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sent an email[edit]

Hi Saqib. I sent an email. I added message on talk to notify you. Thanks Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knightknight12345, I hope you don't mind, but I'm not really interested right now. Got some other important stuff to take care of.Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks for responding. Can you recommend someone else to me?If you don't mind.Thanks. Knightknight12345 (talk) 21:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Knightknight12345, NO.Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok. I no longer need help anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why such a hard reply? My comment is days old anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even nag you or ask you to reply. just asked a question. I don't need help now anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
t Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please refrain from socking. It's a good advice. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok. I retired/deleted the account Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i didn't even nag you or ask for a reply. My comment is days old. I just asked a question. I don't need help now anyway. Knightknight12345 (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tribes of Pakistan stub articles[edit]

@Saqib Hi,

You seem to have opened multiple fronts at one go and one of the front seem to be stubs relating to Tribes of Pakistan articles. I broadly do share your concern but have suggested different treatment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abro (tribe).

Though I am not hard and fast about my suggestion but suppose you can give it a consideration. Happy editing. Bookku (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bookku, You're right. It definitely needs a discussion, but I'm afraid I won't be able to initiate it since I'm occupied elsewhere. BTW, what do you mean by "I opened multiple fronts at once"?Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Brief: I intend no negative sense in 'multiple fronts'.
Well deletion sorting pages are on my watch list and usually once in a while summary comes to my notice that's how I reached Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abro (tribe) and took a look into it. By the time I typed my comment another user commented that you have listed few more in the same series and responding at every place was not suitable so came to your talk page then realized you are working on multiple more deletions in some other topic areas too. At personal level I was afraid you will be able to spare time for my message or not. To have your reasonable attention I used term 'multiple fronts' since at personal level generally I would find it difficult for myself to attend to discussions at many pages at the same time.
Any ways wish you all the best in your endeavors and happy editing. Bookku (talk) 12:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy editing to you, too. Thanks for stopping by! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1984 Afghan Cross-Border Raid on Pakistan[edit]

My every source talks about the battle why did you reject my page read the sources before rejecting something 2001:8003:3F18:1C00:FD70:C528:B568:A87F (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flagging and deleting[edit]

Hi. I'm trying to use Wikipedia for the first time and it's hella overwhelming. I'm trying to figure it out and fix things as per the rules. Meanwhile, can you please cut me the slack for a day so l can atleast figure it out before l see the content vanished. Thanks! The0bvioustruth (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The0bvioustruth, Sure, please clean up the WP:OR and PROMO before I decide to take it down. It's a violation of BLP policy.Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of information on page Maha Ali Kazmi[edit]

Hi Saqib i don't understand why you would delete the information about cover song sahibo and information about the artist's kathak dance training that has proper news citation. Can you explain the logic behind it? Also the information about kathak dance training received by the artist was cited with proper news reference. As you have taken so much trouble in editing and fixing this page can you add those details back if you are as fair as you claim to be? Also the section I added about controversy was neutral and not even praising but rather shedding a balanced detached view of social media reaction. there are 100s of articles and news details supporting my findings. Also please kindly clarify your how your edits and revisions are more neutral now that you have removed something that is all over the internet and supported by several news publications online and social media findings. you can google the artist and there are several articles about the controversy that are clearly not paid. As for notability no pakistani artist can pay gulf times or times of india or any indian news publication to write about them as paid promotion. This artist was viral in india in 2013 when Times of India wrote about her. India today wrote about her "Maha Ali Kazmi, a 25-year-old Pakistani of Kashmiri descent is making waves with her pop-rock single, across the border in Karachi". Kashmire Life: "Maha Ali Kazmi, a young girl hailing from Kashmir presently living in Karachi, Pakistan, has released her first pop-rock single in Karachi. Her first single Nazar has become an instant hit. The music video received rave reviews over the internet and is being liked by people from both sides of the border. The singer has become an overnight celebrity." and The economic times inida "the song went viral and she became an overnight sensation". All the news online shows this artist is notable contrary to your claims.

I would also like to bring to your knowledge that although wikipedia is a very reputable platform however from scholarly standards information on wikipedia added by contributors like yourself are not even eligible as reliable sources. Universities particularly discourage students from citing any wikipedia references. I think you give yourself too much undue importance as the role you play as a contributor. Atleast the topics have some form of achievement supported by news publications unlike yourself. However i commend you for you time and effort on wasting so much energy on topics you deem to be not notable and unworthy of being on wikipedia. even if you delete these so called unworthy articles it would it would be on no consequence to these topics. Thank you. P.S it seems all other contributors, save yourself, are paid promoters with hidden agendas and close relations to topics they have contributed to. Aditiroykapoor (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. You did nothing wrong, just a courtesy heads up because you are mentioned. The section is: User:Lkomdis. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheTechie, Thanks but I'm sure they'll be back soon under a new sleeper account.Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know, it was just a courtesy. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftification mistake?[edit]

Hey Saqib, I'm reaching out because of your draftification of Draft:Gorsi (I processed the R2 request for the redirect left behind). The move summary states Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace. Reason/s: no sources. It looks like you made a mistake considering there are 14 sources on the article. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh, The issue isn't that it lacks references; the issue is that I don't think it meets WP:N. I made a mistake—the reason should have been WP:N, not a lack of sources.Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like you also made this mistake twice on May 7 as well at Draft:Breaking News (Pakistani TV series) and Draft:Jinnah Municipal Stadium. It's important that you provide an accurate rationale when draftifying an article, as all 3 of these (3 out of 18 in your draftify log) used the same move summary of no sources and had all had a number of them at the time. I also noticed that you aren't notifying users every time when a page is draftified. Please make sure to do so, per WP:DRAFTNOTIFY. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh, Okay, it looks like I selected NN when draftifying or declining drafts, but somehow V got chosen. I'll be more careful next time. If the references are there, why would I deliberately choose V?Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate it, we all make mistakes. If the references are there, why would I deliberately choose V? – That's why I've been calling it a mistake instead of some deliberate malicious action :) Hey man im josh (talk) 12:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh, Thanks for pointing that out,Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've figured out the issue. The default setting is "It has no sources," which is why the incorrect reason is being added, repeatedly.Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I think it is fair to assume any 'new' editor and IPs are likely socks given the history around the Pakistan entertainment industry articles. Sameerrr in particular was very clearly a sock. Did you see their last note on their talk page? I mean, really?? The reason I engaged with Sameerrr and a couple IPs is because if they can present any good sources, I'm open to entertaining them until socking/UPE is confirmed. The same for BeauSuzanne. I get where you coming from but I strongly suggest stop making disparaging remarks about them. AfDs should focus on the sources and notability criteria. Anything else is a distraction from what the core discussion should be about unless there is confirmation and even then if an article meets N, it may be kept. S0091 (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, Wait, what disparaging remarks did I make?Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep bringing up a "dubious editing history" (ex. WP:Articles for deletion/Hiba Ali Khan, link does not take you to the discussion which is at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive361#BeauSuzanne). The only thing that has been confirmed is WP:LOUT (per Drmies The OR issues aside, I can confirm that there is no technical connection that I see that links the editor to a sock master. What I will say, BeauSuzanne, is that you should really stop editing while logged out, esp. if it involves collusion.) but neither the OR or LOUT has anything to do with whether their articles meet N. However, if an IP pops in an AfD then that's cause to mention it. S0091 (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S0091, But that comment was made on 30 April and I've since stopped making such remarks after an admin advised me to avoid them.Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And by the way, which last note from Sameeerrr are you referring to?Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, ok. Apologies, I didn't realize you had already stopped because quite a few AfDs are still open so was going by what I saw. For Sameerrr, this comment after their unblock request was declined. S0091 (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S0091, So, yes, Sameeerrr was confident they wouldn't get caught. The same goes for other suspected socks—they're technically avoiding detection.Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, most of them are doing a poor job of it. If your going to sock, don't dive into the same areas and go on about about the history of other socks or editors. S0091 (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
S0091, Right and I'm not bothered by folks having multiple accounts here. But when they start trying to manipulate things by getting involved in AfDs and consistently voting with illogical arguments, all in the hope of closing down AfDs with no consensus, that really gets on my nerves and that's when I feel like I need to report them to SPI.Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poppay Ki Wedding[edit]

A page with full referenced and reliable sources with the IMDb link, why you move the the Article from Main Space to Draft. I didn't think that you did it right. As I'm a auto confirmed user, i have right to move draft to the main Space. One thing more i noticed that you are on a mission on deleting or nominating for deleting the Pages related to Pakistani Entertainment. What you want to do ? Zoramid (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zoramid, Hang on a sec! You’ve only been on WP for just 03 days, right? How come you know that I'm on a mission on deleting or nominating for deleting the Pages related to Pakistani Entertainment.? Just curious!Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When i Create my account and noticed on the Pakistani Entertainment related articles. Zoramid (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zoramid, You can't just move a draft to main namespace like that; it might be seen as disruptive editing. The article doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG.Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]