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The Sketches

Why are you removing the whole article. I did not write anything. You have a problem with some of the content, why are you removing the whole of it? We are not advertising. Arshmaan.alee (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Arshmaan.alee: All the content that you and others added to The Sketches, Dastkari and Saif Samejo have been removed due to lacks of reliable references. --Saqib (talk) 16:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, Got it. Thanks for your help. Arshmaan.alee (talk) 16:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


There are tools. I saw that the articles were all about elected officials, so that meant they were all good, so I told the tool to mark all by you as patrolled. DS (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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ITN credit

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ITN credit

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Help Required About Maintaining Kaymu Pakistan Article

I would like you to please help with what changes are required or what references / evidence is need to maintain my first piece on Wikipedia. I would really appreciate your help on this. Thanks.Hariskhan12345 (talk) 07:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

ITN credit

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Wikimedia Pakistan

Out of curiosity, what is the present status of the Wikipedia chapter in Pakistan? Are we a recognised group yet as per the listings at List of Wikimedia chapters? If not, what is the process. I am aware that you've been involved with the chapter for a while and have organised several things. Mar4d (talk) 04:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

User:Mar4d: Why not send me an e-mail sometime and we will discuss things in detail. --Saqib (talk) 12:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Sure. Mar4d (talk) 13:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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For great work on 2015 Camp Badaber attack. Thank you Saqib! Faizan (talk) 16:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

26 October-2015 earthquake

Please endeavor to reflect the true picture from the most affected region i.e. Pakistan. I appreciate your observation at talk page of article 2015 Hindu Kush earthquake. Nannadeem (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Articles on MPs of Pakistan

Hi Saqib! Good to see you! I have a seen your work on Pakistani MPs of 2013 and hope you continue. I have some work for you if you complete some articles of following template, this will help us?

you can complete it on sample of

and also categorize it accordingly...

I hope your response will be positive and lastly keep contributing and making Pakistan-related articles GreenCricket (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

GreenCricket: Your suggestion well-noted. This is a good idea but I'll prefer to work on bio pages of current MP's. I hope you and others may able to create lists of formers legislatures. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
okay! you do your job..but please categorize it with categories like Pakistani MNAs 1955-58 and so on.....and also create category to categorize the east Pakistan people like Category:People of British India category should be Category:People of East Pakistan GreenCricket (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi GreenCricket: I have very much improve the list List of members of the 14th National Assembly of Pakistan. What do you think of it? --Saqib (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Eid Mubarak!

Eid Mubarak!
آپ کو اور آپ کے گھر والوں کو دل کی اتھاہ گہرائیوں سے عید کی خوشیاں بہت بہت مبارک۔

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Can you nominate his death for "In the News"? I have never done it myself but I somehow remember you doing that before! It will be a great help. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes plz nominate to ITN. Nannadeem (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I need to learn to check before posting anything. It was already posted at ITN. Don't know who did it but its already there. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:31, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
User:SheriffIsInTown: It was me. See. --Saqib (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

This page already has 2 references from HUMTV and Can you please tell me where to improve?--Fosterzone (talk) 09:45, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Copyright Violations File:Junaid Akhter.jpg

I have copyrights to this Image as I have personally taken this picture of the Actor Junaid Akhter. If you want I can send more unseen photos of Junaid Akhter That are not shared anywhere on internet. --Fosterzone (talk) 09:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I wonder if AfD is the direction to head in. Muffled Pocketed 12:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Research and Analysis Wing

Wait a little before you put someone as the suspected perpetrator of an attack... it's clear now that it had nothing to do with the Indian Government. One Pakistani member of government doesn't make a group 'suspected' either. El cid, el campeador (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Farhan Saeed Image

Saqib, I saw your message on my talk page about the source of this file File:Farhan Saeed.jpeg. I just wanted to Inform you that It was shot by me on the red carpet of Lux style Award which took place In Karachi. I was there and I just shot It on my camera (which explains that little blurry content). All I did was that I just used It for wiki purpose, however since Im not a well experienced contributor I may don't Know all the policies, If you think its not correct I'll delete It. Sammy.joseph (talk) 18:29, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Pakistani cinema task force

I would like to formally invite you to join the new Pakistani cinema task force. Your presence there would be greatly valued! Regards, Mar4d (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


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Most read biography

Hi Saqib! In reply for your recent edits for news from this link, please see what Admin Cyphoidbomb says here and here. (I am not an expert myself.) Thanks! M. Billoo 04:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

No worries. --Saqib (talk) 07:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Mr, saqib or whatever your name is, why you doing this? is it your personal agenda or someone hired you? you are requested to stop this immediately or prepare your self for legal action. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asif.rehman (talkcontribs) 12:53, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Asif.rehman: Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Shahid Masood, you may be blocked from editing. I make sure you that I will keep watching this page and keep removing the unsourced promotional material that you and other will add to this page. And If you keep doing it, I will have no option than to ask for page to be locked so that no one can edit it anymore. And please No legal threats! --Saqib (talk) 13:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Saqib! Your edit history (including Special:Diff/751244679 for removing unsourced content) is live reported by Dr. Shahid Masood on his TV show on Bol TV today. Please note, soon provide the ref link... Thanks! M. Billoo 15:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes I was told that he showed my contributions history on live TV. This is hilarious. --Saqib (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
(Personal attack removed) .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Historicity of Muhammad

Have you read the above mentioned article? Don't you think we should do something about it? I'm new to this editing stuff. I don't understand why i can't get it deleted. Even if i'd try to edit it with valid sources, the administrators would revert it. And even if this article's Subject line matches the so-called policy of Wikipedia, the content it contains is nothing but hoax! Haxeeb1987 (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Haxeeb, I'll see what I can do. Cheers! --Saqib (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch. Let me know if i could be of any help! --Haxeeb1987 (talk) 17:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

January 2017

  • Saqib, I think, you need to read the policies carefully. You tag unnecessary and illegitimate BLP and COI tags to the well-sourced articles, and other, you also removing the cited sources rather templating that as the dead link. I hope this helps, and you will stop such practice since it is not a way to edit the Wikipedia.Justice007 (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
You are an admin on the Wiki-voyage too. You should know that tagging on the lead means you challenge the entire article, whereas, some passages need just template citation needed. Similarly, COI, if someone seems continuously adding promotional content, while other editors disagree, in this case, it exhibits COI. As an admin, you have more responsibilities than just an editor. I hope, you will not misuse your tool privilege. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 21:00, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007: Regarding the dead links, you need to read "Remove hopelessly lost web-only sources" section. Now back to bio pages that I tagged and you reverted, please avoid removing my tags and instead start discussion on the talk page. There're numerous questionable references cited on both Javed Malik and Haider Qureshi page which I would not like to see at any case. Not to mention, there are plenty of unreliable references cited on page [redacted] as well and I will for sure fix at some time later. Also please avoid editing this particular Wikipedia page, you know it is strongly discouraged to edit a page you're connected to. Javed Malik or his staff members have been editing his own page lately so there is no doubt that his article clearly exhibits COI. For you kind information, I'm a responsible volunteers with no intention to be biased here on Wikipedia and I am pretty sure I'm not misusing my tools in a wrong way but If you think I do, I would suggest you to report it. And as long I will see biased promotional stuff lingering here on this site, I will keep reverting it. Thank you! --Saqib (talk) 06:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Your reply reflects the lack of neutrality; you cannot tag each article that just you think it falls under COI. You breach the rule, to discuss my identity, I have the right to edit that within neutrality. it means you are here for some purposes. I notice that you are targeting the specific articles, first removing cited sources, and later on the content. About cited sources rule also describes that "Dead links should be repaired or replaced if possible. Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working. Follow these steps when you encounter a dead URL being used as a reliable source to support article content." Surely, you will be reported if you continue unconstructive edits to spoil the articles that are well-sourced.Justice007 (talk) 06:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007: I'm very much neutral here. I'm not merely tagging the articles just because I think they fall under COI. I want you to look at the references cited on those pages we talking about. And no breach of rules here. [more redacted]. But I'm not here to discuss that. But I would like to warn you to please avoid saying "you are here for some purposes". Its called a personal attack and Harassment. Please don't comments in bad faith and be civil. Your comments that "I am targeting the specific articles, first removing cited sources, and later on the content." are not justified. Please assume good faith. Honestly I'm here to improve bio pages related to Pakistani personalities and I've done so many. I tried to repair the dead links but unfortunately, I couldn't found the material elsewhere on web. --Saqib (talk) 07:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
That's why I changed my Wiki-name. You should not have done that, as an admin, it falls harassment too. Where I have cited reliable sources, I do not think that are unreliable. The article es you mentioned, have been edited by very experienced editors and admins. Please do not involve there. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 07:19, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007. I don't think I have done any harassment. No, they are not considered reliable sources. Please look at Javed_Malik#References: source number 1, 9, 16, 19, 24, 25, and 26. Remove them and I will have no issue. No one, no matter how skilled, or how high standing in the community, including you has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page so please don't suggest me to avoid editing these articles. --Saqib (talk) 07:24, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I have checked the sources that are of course reliable source per primary sources except the source 1, but with that, another source is also cited. However, one can tag the template unreliable source rather entire article. thanks.Justice007 (talk) 08:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007: Its hilarious to hear that you think that cited sources that I raised concern about are reliable and should be kept. You need to take a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Who told you that The News Tribe, Pakistan Times is a well-established news outlet? Who told you to cite "YouTube" video as a reference ? And who told you that non-third party sources such as "the Diplomat Magazine" which is run by Javed Malik himself would make a great reference for his own bio page? --Saqib (talk) 08:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I cannot discuss with you if you consider the mainstream newspapers are not the reliable sources; it means you are going to delete entire such articles that are cited that sources. Let,s decide the uninvolved editors, and please stay away tagging illegitimate tags.Justice007 (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007: But for your kind information, YouTube, The News Tribe, Pakistan Times and "the Diplomat Magazine" are not mainstream newspapers. --Saqib (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
To some extent, if Youtube carries the mainstream tv news or interviews, is reliable and can be cited. Other sources include several other citations. Otherwise, one may tag the template, unreliable source or citation needed. Justice007 (talk) 09:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Justice007: The first para of this section says He is ranked among the pioneer anchors of independent television in Pakistan. His programme, "Insight with Javed Malik" remained one of the most watched television shows in Pakistan for many years but the two videos link cited doesn't say something like this. --Saqib (talk) 09:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Saqib, one warning only: do not use the user's real name please. I know what you posted, and there is no need to respond with those links again. If there is anything else you would like to ask, please do so either privately (and you may contact another admin too, if you like) or without disclosing anything about anyone's identity. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Noted Drmies, however I'm sure it was not outing. The information that I posted was already on-wiki. --Saqib (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
But not so easily available. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Adding to Drmies' advice, those in disputes are wise to keep clean hands and a good way to to do that is by following our the spirit of the guidelines even if one thinks they can do something under a literal reading. His is a good example of the principle. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Got your email. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Just FYI about a useful tool

Under the WP:TPG it iss a bad idea to tweak other people's comments without a very good reason. In the case of references, a better way to make sense of a thread where others used reference formatting is to just add Template:Reflist-talk to the thread. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Refs for this section

Sometimes I also add a subsection within the thread (like this one), and put reflist-talk tag in that subsection. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

NewsAndEventsGuy: Thank you for letting me know of Template:Reflist-talk. --Saqib (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

You have removed a large amount of sourced content from the above BLP. With these edits, you removed content, which was supported by sources like this one (from Arab News), this one (from Associated Press of Pakistan), this one (from Dawn), this one (from The News International), this one & this one (both from Daily Times (Pakistan)), etc. Please avoid edits like those ones. BTW, I must admit that most of the reliable sources, which you removed were dead links. But link rot isn't the reason to remove sources. So, in future, please first try to find archive versions of the sources at sites like Internet Archive & If you cannot find any archive version there, then just tag those sources with {{Dead link}} – for details, visit WP:LR. Thanks.

PS: WP:LR states that "do not delete cited information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published online." - NitinMlk (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

NitinMlk: My bad. Honestly, I couldn't find the archived versions of these dead links. I wish had I founded them earlier and no mess created. Anyways, now I've began to expand the article based on provided sources. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! - NitinMlk (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I see you created new pages for the new federal ministries...

I updated the page List of federal agencies of Pakistan with them. Since the websites of the ministries haven't yet been updated, I guessed and updated what agencies are likely to be placed under them. You can update your pages with that information if you like. Regards. -- (talk) 21:56, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

And you're from the Russian Federation? Wait didn't your page say you were from Canada before? Well, a Pakistani Canadian? And your name was Sikander? Hello from a fellow Pakistani Canadian! Why the change though? Kya choparah ho bhai? :0 -- (talk) 22:02, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh wait, my mistake. I was confusing you with the user Siqbal. -- (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

And just wondering, why so much interest with our country Pakistan btw? Just wondering. -- (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib. Your page is a copy of one I have already made (Cabinet Secretariat (Pakistan)). Plus it lacks content in comparison to mine. Thus it should be deleted. -- (talk) 21:35, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


I have given reference links to the article I have published yesterday, even then it is showing it as "Recommened for deletion". Please help..

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno-Trend (talkcontribs) 04:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC) --Techno-Trend (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Danial Schon

Saqib i notice that Danial Schon page is diverting to Schon Properties. Can you please assist why did this happen? Mahmoodyaqub (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Ishaq Dar

Hey Saqib, I already put a reference. Please tell me how to drop that deletion tag here. Ahmed Ali Raza (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Although I grew up with the -or spelling of adviser, I believe the -er spelling is now more common. See the Usage notes at [1].  – Corinne (talk) 00:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you User:Corinne. --Saqib (talk) 07:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Aamir Liaquat

Instead of removing unsourced content from Aamir Liaquat, you should be finding and adding reliable sources. After your edits, his TV career is in ugly shape. - Mfarazbaig —Preceding undated comment added 12:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

User:Mfarazbaig: I am working on the page. Please give it some time. The page will surely be in good shape pretty soon and meet Wikipedia's quality standards. --Saqib (talk) 12:05, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
I am just hoping your trimming/content removal won't reduce it to a stub or start class. One can always add [citation needed] tags instead of removal. Good luck on your efforts.- Mfarazbaig —Preceding undated comment added 12:12, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Mfarazbaig: We don't need to add [citation needed] tags anymore when we already have a large 'BLP source' tag on top of the page. I guess its time to be bold and clean up the page to remove the unsourced and inaccurate material. --Saqib (talk) 13:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib! Sorry, I couldn't edit the page for a long time, but he have not left the channel, as there was no official announcement. He earlier told on 13 August on his (last appearance) show that he will be going to Supreme Court (of Islamabad, but he lives in Khi and his show is also recorded from Khi) to file a case against filming of Indian content in Pakistan. Then he went Dubai to launch a branch of his business. It could also be possible that he is working on his film, as revealed in January 2016, also on 13 Auguat 2017 by himself. And today, it is reported that he will be seen in tonight's show on Bol TV as regular. Since, there was no official statements on it, people (I think) started making the guess-news after they saw a masked-voiceover in his show and actor Nabeel in game show. Therefore, any updates that were done during this time period can be reverted, and page can be made as was before. Thanks! :) M. Billoo 16:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead and make the changes @M.Billoo2000:. --Saqib (talk) 16:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Saqib, you opened this review over a month ago, but only wrote a few words, which leads me to believe that you are not prepared to do a full GA review based on the GA criteria or per the GA instructions. (Reviews should typically be completed within a week.)

Also, one of things you said was not only inaccurate, but it isn't properly a GA criterion: you say there are too many red links when there aren't any in the article, and red links are typically irrelevant to whether an article is a Good Article or not.

If you are not prepared to do a full GA review now, I can arrange for the nomination to be returned to pool of unreviewed nominations for someone else to pick up on. Please let me know as soon as possible; if I do not hear from you soon I will assume that I should arrange for that return. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset:: I had just thrown in my 2 cents in the review. I let you arrange a new reviewer for the page. --Saqib (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Saqib. The thing is, when you open a review, it's supposed to be a commitment to do a complete review, not just make a comment or two. In future, simply comment on the article's talk page, or wait for someone else to open the review and comment then. As it stands, I'm going to have to have the page deleted as part of the return to the reviewing pool; no one will take over the review from you. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, the subst didn't go into the AFD log properly for that one, I removed it and put it back in at the top of the log. Cheers. South Nashua (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

aizaz chaudhry

Respected Sir ! Aizaz ch a member of Pti from Punjab assembly belonhs to Arain caste of punjab not kamboh , there is a difference between the two . This is the reason that he is also married in arain family of lahore . Arain s donot marry outside the caste , if aizaz ch would have been a kamboh an arain would not married him , so kindly correct this ! Mehr Hassan (talk) 10:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Ejaz Caudhry ! * Mehr Hassan (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Mian mehmood ur rasheed

Respected Saqib sahb ! I dont know but it seems like you have some personal rage against arains ! Both Mian mehmood and Ajaz Choudhry belong form the arain caste ! Please correct it and for proofs please provide your facebook or email adress ! Mehr Hassan (talk) 10:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@Mehr Hassan:: I don't have any problem, but you will have to provide a reliable source to support your claim that the personalities belongs to Arain group. Please avoid adding unsourced material. --Saqib (talk) 15:02, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Tariq Basheer Cheema

Your editing version read that Cheema sahab stood in a by-election in 2012 and lost. WHO THE HELL is providing you with such baseless information. Cheema sahab was elected as district nazim twice and then took part in 2013 elections and won from his home seat. There was a by election in 2012 for the MPA seat and Alhamdullilah PML defeated PMLN. Get your damn facts right! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay, but can you please stay cool and avoid derogatory language. It can get you blocked and page in question locked. Do you know the years he served as District Nazim of Bahawalpur? --Saqib (talk) 20:33, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
My apologies. Look like an intelligent person. He served from 2001-2010. Also my addition seems to be overwritten by you. So could you please add Minister food and agriculture from 1993-1996 and current secretary General of PML. If you would like a link please google. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:CDC1:9F00:49FC:225F:8458:1201 (talk) 00:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I can see someone else has now taken care of the page and expanding it wisely. --Saqib (talk) 07:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Not updating anything new to the page. Just the format.

Saqib just updating the format. Please stop reverting. It follows Wikipedia format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cesc44 (talkcontribs) 06:59, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Attack pages

Hi, Saqib. You tagged Draft:Syed Jafar Hussain Shah Shaheed and Draft:Nadeem Sarwar for speedy deletion as attack pages. However, neither page displays any clear attack. Therefore, I have declined both. It would be appreciated if could you can explain to me the problem with these biography pages or what I am missing. Thanks. CactusWriter (talk) 23:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Responded on your user talk page already. --Saqib (talk) 23:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

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Nomination of Faisal Javed Khan for deletion

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Speedy deletion declined: Harish Vaswani

Hello Saqib. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Harish Vaswani, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Winning a notable award indicates significance. Thank you. SoWhy 09:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Abeer Rizvi

Why are you trying to delete the page I have created? If you think that is incomplete page, please add material to make it complete and according to wikipedia rules as you have mentioned in your profile page that you are working on Pakistani Personalities. Abeer Rizvi is pakistani actress and she debuted in Pakistani film Raasta. Gather material and make this page legal. I am simply a user of Wikipedia and not familiar with many of its rules. Rather than pulling legs of fellow Pakistani, you should help him in completing the page. Thanks Toafzaal Talk Me 13:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@Toafzaal:: I don't see her meeting the criteria on entertainers therefore I nominated her bio for deletion. --Saqib (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Ammad Azhar

Hi Saqib, Please please pleaseeeeeeeeee help me improve my article as to where should i focus i have even given reference links by Express Tribune and Samaa, what more is required. I was trying to add Ammad Azhar picture on the article but im clueless as to how and will it help. Soulmatrix (talk) 1:49, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Help Understand Notability

Hi Saqib,

I had heard about wikipedia's rigorous scrutiny but didn't realize that it was this brutal. I am new & I honestly have a steep learning curve to go through. You're a senior and I would really appreciate your help in learning how I got here where my article is up for deletion & how can I get out of this situation. My page is marked for deletion because of notability. I was very careful when choosing to write about her

she is featured on CNN three times.

Editorial CNN Editorial Featured guest on CNN Zunera as featured guest on CNN 1 Zunera as featured guest on CNN 2

ABC News Twice ABC News Appearance 1 ABC News appearance 2

Express Tribune (Sister Publication of New York Times) Express Tribune Article

Sunday Magazine Sunday Magazine Interview

These are mainstream media publications of two very big countries US & Pakistan- how much more notable can one get than that? Kindly help me incorporate this information so that the notability issue is resolved & we can save this page from deletion.Thecapital15 (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


Saqib, if I see you edit again without logging in to avoid WP:SCRUTINY, you risk being blocked for socking.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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Mohsin Nawaz is a great motivational speaker

Hello Saqib, Its highly appreciated for your quick response. I know Mosin Sir personally. He is a known personality having many appearances on TV and Radio shows.

In your message you mentioned that there are many SPA issues, can you point out them. As per my knowledge all the links in this page are genuine and true and his page must stay on Wikipedia. It deserves to be there.

Kindly guide me in this regard. Thanks in advance Fdeeba (talk) 12:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Saving page from deletion

Dear Saqib, thank you for the help. Actually Mr Mohsin Nawaz's Wikipedia page received a message titled , "This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy". To save it i have posted my review about him, however please guide me what else can I do to save the page from deletion. Regards Haroon Christy (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


I have done that work. You may see and correct the names according to your articles. I have used full names as I'm not good at Pakistani articles. Thanks. Greenbörg (talk) 06:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: Thanks. BTW, do you think it would be good idea to add a new column (Party of incumbent before election) in the List of members of the 14th National Assembly of Pakistan, similar to List_of_MPs_elected_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#List_of_MPs_elected_in_the_general_election.?--Saqib (talk) 14:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi, you have removed tags but I believe that these articles are biased. How can we please resolve this? I think some sort of neutral review is called for by senior and objective editors here. Thanks. I am replacing these tags if possible. (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)Col (r) Mumtaz , Pakistan

See Talk:Nisar_Ali_Khan#Biased article and respond. --Saqib (talk) 10:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

WLE winners

Hi, please add more description on winning photos pages, there should be proper names of nature sites or, please, contact authors if you don`t know. Name like "Natural Beauty of Pakistan" is no good for an encyclopedia. Thanks and congrats with finishing WLE! --AnnaKhrobolova (WMUA) (talk) 10:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure, --Saqib (talk) 10:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding sources per WP:RS. I hope you will continue. Cheers. Greenbörg (talk) 10:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


Hello, Saqib! Could I get your email? Thanks. Greenbörg (talk) 10:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: Sure, email me via Special:EmailUser/Saqib. --Saqib (talk) 10:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Can you help me fix the references section (i.e.. title, author , publishing date)? Thank you.--Boxman88 (talk) 21:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Boxman88:. I have fixed the links, meanwhile removed some unreliable sources. --Saqib (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear Saqib, Assalam o Alykum, Saqib please help me in this article while i have created this article about Khan Baba, but wikipedia deleting my article. I have provided a strong reference links. Then why they want to delete this article. Please help me for creating in this article. If there is any thing missing in article so please you can edit and remove or add the usefull what wikipedia want to do by me. Hope you will help me. Thank you.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Requer USC (talkcontribs) 09:07, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Response your email

Apparently the sockpuppet category was created now based on the sockpuppet template on User talk:, in response to some edits made in 2006. The original sockpuppet user is now called. User:Saqib (usurped)~enwiki because you took their name. If you usurp someone's username then such confusions are to be expected.

I have now changed the category and template to point to the other username.

PS: I recommend trying to resolve on-wiki issues on wiki talkpages, not email. -- intgr [talk] 12:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. appreciated. --Saqib (talk) 12:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


Hello Saqib! You could see it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wise Way. Thanks. Greenbörg (talk) 12:51, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Noted. --Saqib (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Saqib,

You are considering my page for deletion. Kindly go through the references I've provided and suggest what to do. Kindly put it for deletion again and again. I am doing it for the first time and I need some help. Plus I do believe that community artists must get some recognition.

Regards Kashan Khan Sherazi (talk) 20:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I meant to say don't put it up for deletion Kashan Khan Sherazi (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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Expand the article

Hello, Saqib. I have started new stub which you may expand because you are better at Pakistani politics. Thanks, Greenbörg (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

For sure, thanks! --Saqib (talk) 09:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Being a pedant

FYI, I presume you really mean "weak delete'" instead of "week delete" which could suggest you mean delete in a week's time. It's not for me to alter your post and yes, I'm being pedantic but twice did not seem like a missed keystroke. Cheers. ww2censor (talk) 09:17, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

It was a typo. --Saqib (talk) 09:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Saqib. Please don't rush to update articles per WP:BREAKING. Wait for the time so the sources can grow. Thanks, Greenbörg (talk) 07:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@Greenbörg: Noted. But since the Prime Minister has been disqualified, the entire cabinet stands dissolved. --Saqib (talk) 07:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Is there a reason why you deleted his father's name from the article? Harfarhs (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Harfarhs: I thought it is already mentioned. I re-added it. --Saqib (talk) 17:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Harfarhs (talk) 18:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Nice work with the expansion of Shahid Khaqan Abbasi and related articles. A lot of the information on him was unknown previously, and I am sure most readers will find the current version of the article highly useful. Mar4d (talk) 14:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for appreciating @Mar4d:. I am hoping to get the bio up to GA status. --Saqib (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Revised History of Pakistan template

I took my Saturday off and decided to completely re-write Template:History of Pakistan. I'm almost certain the editor there (who I unfortunately have come to have known over the past few months) will revert my edits without any reason. The Overseas Pakistani article (which I also edited significantly 2 months ago) was also in the cross hairs of this particular editor who I will not name. Kindly let me know if my edits are acceptable. I have no problems with the template being edited again, but to revert the template to the previous one (which was extremely bad) would be criminal. I have also started a section in the talk page of the template article where I have given my reasons for editing. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 05:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi there,

You recently listed Duraid Qureshi at AfD at WP:Articles for deletion/Duraid Qureshi. I closed the discussion at AfD, and moved it to RfD. Any future discussion should take place there. Thanks, menaechmi (talk) 14:39, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay thank you! --Saqib (talk) 14:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shahid Khaqan Abbasi

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Thank you @Royroydeb:. --Saqib (talk)

Review Article

Hello Saqib Dear,

I added references to my page and the deletion tag still exists. please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashan Khan Sherazi (talkcontribs) 21:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Underground Musicians/Singers of Pakistan

Hi Saqib, I created this profile for making Wikipedia pages of some underground musicans of Pakistan who are famous in small audience and doing good work under less resources and exposure. Please help me in making their pages and please remove your deletion request on Talha Nadeem's page as this is my first page. ( Please give me some guidance as well on this, I'll be very thankful to you. Regards, Waleed Amin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PakistaniMusic1 (talkcontribs) 17:43, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

2017 dengue outbreak in Peshawar

Hi, I jus creat 2017 dengue outbreak in Peshawar please review this page. and 2nd I want to add this page in the news on the main page. Thanks! Wisal Ahmad (talk) 18:50, 24 Aug 2017 (UTC)

@Wisalahmad523: I've reviewed the page however I do not see it being featured on the main page. This is a not major event. --Saqib (talk) 13:52, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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SPI notifications

Hi Saqib, thank you for your vigilance regarding reporting socks at SPI. One minor quibble, however, is that it is often preferable not to notify prolific socks that you have opened a new case (such as with Pakistanpedia). Although they are likely watching the SPI page, posting to their talk gives them a "heads up" that a block is likely imminent and a head start on creating new accounts (or becoming even more destructive) before a checkuser or admin can block the sock account. This is why notifying the sock/master is not listed as a requirement in the instructions. If the connection is tenuous between the accounts, or if the suspected sock is a trusted user, notifying them of the case is a good idea, though again there is no point in notifying the master account if it is an indefinitely blocked LTA master.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Noted @Ponyo:. By the way, I want to draw your attention towards Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ptcloof khan. The suspected account User:SahabAliwadia has been blocked already for some other reason so should the SPI be closed? --Saqib (talk) 06:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I would leave it open until the Clerks can evaluate the evidence. If it's endorsed for Checkuser and they are found to be socking, the block may be modified.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 16:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

please review 2017 Karachi floods page and please update the informations by yourself or refer to someone, as well as update 2017 dengue outbreak in Peshawar too. Thanks! Wisal Ahmad (talk) 16:03, 01 Sept 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shahid Khaqan Abbasi

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Thanks @Royroydeb:. --Saqib (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Saqib! Congratulations on updating BLP of our prime minister to good article level. Good work!
I have something to say, maybe you have noted too. I think there is repetition of references, and some references are ordered wrongly. Like for example, "Early life and education"; 15 references only are inserted 29 times, with one non-ascending order like [11][4][2]. Can I check out there a little? Thanks! M. Billoo 19:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Sure @M.Billoo2000:. Go ahead and fix it but please make sure you don't remove any reference. --Saqib (talk) 07:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@M.Billoo2000: I have seen you edits but sad to relate that I am not satisfied with removal of mass citations. Many information that was previously well cited now giving the impression of original research. In my opinion, we should revert back to its earlier version to avoid getting it tagged with [citation needed]. --Saqib (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi! It's OK if you think that I removed mass, you can re-add if you wish. Just recently, I had messaged on Talk:Don't Say You Love Me (M2M song)#Featured article? about same matter, and I got one reply too. One more thing, what is meant by reflist|30em? Thanks! M. Billoo 15:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
@M.Billoo2000: I have same concerns which BLZ raised therefore I am going to hard revert your edits but I believe this would in the best interest of the article. I don't think the article is over referenced and reference sequence should be followed. It is very important to provide multiple references (when and if available) to backup the information which is controversial and could to be challenged at some time later. I hope my reverts won't deter you from improving the article. As for "reflist|30em", we usually use it when we have several references. --Saqib (talk) 16:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi once again! Above I said, ""Early life and education"; 15 references only are inserted 29 times, with one non-ascending order like [11][4][2]." which I have solved after you said, "Go ahead and fix it". Sadly after revert, this problem hasn't been fixed yet. One more thing I said, "URL=NYTIMES AND ARCHIVEURL=DAWN?? […and more…]", and this is still unfixed. Also some news outlets under the "References" sections fail MOS:ITALIC. I am afraid you warned another editor for making Fawad Khan a GA, but does this article too qualifies for being a GA? Well, I am really junior on this, please check. Thanks! M. Billoo 12:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: In my opinion, this BLP doesn't falls under WP:TOOMANYREFS but anyways I will work on it and try to minimize usage of references. And thanks for getting my attention towards the wrong references being archived. I archived the references using a tool so I assume it has made errors. As for italicization the name of publications, I will do that as well. I believe they are not many. In Spite of all these issues, the article meets the six good article criteria which Fawad Khan's page doesn't. --Saqib (talk) 13:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
@M.Billoo2000: I thought of letting you know that I have made changes to the article as suggested by you. see and let me know your thoughts. --Saqib (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi! Please check my last edit. I don't know why section name comes in edit summary to cut off the limited characters of it.

  • I have checked, some of The News are still not italic there.
  • Please tag the page with either Template:Use dmy dates, to make the date formats same, so that the |df= parameters can be removed from the references.
  • I think that saying |language=en is useless, it doesn't appear ob screen.
  • Using |author={{Nq|}}|title={{Nq|}}|language=ur parameters instead of |title=|first=|last= in Urdu references is good, because in Urdu we don't break names into "last, first".
  • |url= can be shortened only to their page numbers, they are as valid as repeating |title= in |url=; and same in their |archiveurl=.
  • One more thing, what is the use of |ref= parameter if already "ref name=" is given, I think either of this is repeated and one can be removed.
  • Also, I think using |website= parameter (or like in ref#1 is written | is good if all the references are like that. But as in this case, all should be same into either "|publisher=not italic" or "|work=newspaper italic".
  • In last, I have same complain. Please reduce the number of repeats in "Early life and education";
    • 15 references are given 29 times which appear (at least to me) as too many in three small paragraphs.
    • "Electrical Engineer"(ing) is still written 4 times, which appears repeated. It can be written, for example, as,

      He studied to be an electrical engineer. He received his bachelors degree (B.eng) from ABC, after which he started his career. He became a professional engineer after receiving his masters degree (M.eng) from XYZ in Electrical Engineering.

Please check, Thanks! M. Billoo 13:44, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: I have made some quick changes. More later. --Saqib (talk) 14:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I want to share some more points.

  • "Abbasi belongs to a family[18]…" Is this necessary to cite this part of sentence?
  • While editing for my earlier message, I changed a DAWN link http --> https, which I noticed later. This happened again today on HuffPost (The Huffington Post) link, though it also changed into mobile version.
  • Template:PKRconvert that is used in Wikipedia is too outdated, it cannot be used to identify the current PKR-US$ amount that varies. It may have changed a lot now since the template was last updated, and since the news was published. I think we should simplify them. Or 'if' we see references, is there conversion used of PKR-US$? Or if not, then either of the amount is unsourced.
  • Some refs, that I saw, have |date= parameter missing, more commonly in The Nation refs.
  • How to use bots/tools in wiki? Like, for correcting the date formats in the whole page. Also for correcting some unicode/invisible heavy-byte symbols. And like I saw you using #IABot for rescuing refs.

The overall code of page is too large that I don't want to open it in one attempt to avoid mistakes. That's why I prefer editing section-by-section. However, if the whole code is copied to Word.doc software, all the unnecessary cite news parameters like "|df=", "|language=en", and similar other things can be removed out by Ctrl+F / Ctrl+H. Thanks! M. Billoo 23:48, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I was just looking at the page.

I haven't checked the page completely, but please you check and update, Thanks! M. Billoo 17:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: The page is still under development as evident from the history of the page, though I have made some changes as you suggested. There is nothing like Citation overkill in this bio. This is a BLP of a high profile politician and therefore all repetitive references are there for the sake of verifiability. Once I am done with the expansion, I will try to address rest of your concerns. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


That was an anon. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ch Pervez Elahi

Why did you revert the changes I made recently on this page. Is there any technical issue or information provided is not true? Rasikh is the younger son of Pervez Elahi and Wajahaat Hussain is his cousin. I can provide proof. Just google 'Ch Rasikh Elahi' and you'll find a plenty of photos. Thank You!--Asadwarraich (talk) 07:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Asadwarraich: We generally mention only those relatives in the infobox who have got their own Wikipedia articles. There is no article on Rasikh Elahi.--Saqib (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Ch Wajaahat Hussain has a Wikipedia page.--Asadwarraich (talk) 11:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
I have updated the page @Asadwarraich: --Saqib (talk) 11:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, re: this, per your edit summary, there is no prohibition on citations in the lead, and in some cases references are very helpful not only for supporting controversial content, but also for helping editors quickly spot vandalism. I don't particularly care about the citations being removed in your edit--they're not particularly necessary in this case--but this note is meant to ask that you please not remove citations as a knee-jerk reaction, since they do have value. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:08, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I am aware that controversial information in the lead that is likely to be challenged should be supported by an inline citations, however in this case, there was no controversial information in the lead therefore I removed the source. I trust no harm done in this case but anyways thanks for the note. . --Saqib (talk) 19:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Presidential election in Pakistan before

Hi The presidential election have been restaured in 2004. But before 2004, what is the electoral system for the president ? --Panam2014 (talk) 20:49, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

It's good that you have removed some references because of Non-RS, but Non-RS can sometimes be used to support television-related articles. I don't know why you are not told this thing but Non-RS are still used to support many TV-related articles. You may look at WP:TV and when you understand, consider reverting your edits on it. Also look at here. Regards, SahabAliговорити 12:01, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

@SahabAliwadia: Where does it says that non-RS could be added? --Saqib (talk) 12:10, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Isn't it written? Then why they are used in most of articles? I am confused 😕. OK, I will see it. Thankyou. SahabAliговорити 12:14, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Re article deletion

Hi Saqib and many thanks. I have replied to your note in the appropriate places. Many good wishes AsadUK200 (talk) 16:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)AsadUK200

Thank you @Tdslk:. --Saqib (talk) 09:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, congrats on getting Shahid Khaqan and Ishaq Dar to GA. I was wondering with BB's 10th death anniversary approaching, if you could the same for her article? - Mfarazbaig (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mfarazbaig: I usually focus on BLP's. --Saqib (talk) 16:30, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Captain Safdar

Dear bro. I have added info about NAB case in Political career but you remove it. Is it wrong 6 news? ALIwaince (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review of Fawad Khan

Hi! I've requested a peer review for Fawad Khan, it was listed as GA but failed FAC. It'd be kind of you to review it.(Wikipedia:Peer review/Fawad Khan/archive1). Thanks Amirk94391 (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Original research in Fawad Khan

Well I've been editing this page for last many months and I didn't find any OR material. Now you've added original research tag. Can you tell me what are the originally researched contents in the article? There may be some OR material which I couldn't point out. So please tell me. Thanks Amirk94391 (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Aamir Liaquat Crorepati Game Show

Hi! If [2] and [3] are not WP:RS, then what kind of sources should be added? I am always confused while treating a ref as reliable. The show is on-air since last Saturday, but no big news outlet reported it. These refs are not talking by themselves, they have linked the officials too as to verify what they have said. Can official website be added? And are these not big outlets?

Atleast, these sources (like Brandsynario, Mangobaaz etc.) not talk lie, they always--- or mostly prove by officials what they say. I haven't seen any mistake by them, that are sometimes done by Dawn and The Express Tribune. Please help, Thanks! M. Billoo 14:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: when it comes to citing references on the BLP's, I would advise you to be extra careful and not use questionable sources like Mangobaaz and Brandsynario. Both may have editorial oversight but for sure poor reputation for checking the facts and accuracy. No matter how popular these two sources are but keep in mind both of these rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions therefore I would never use them in the BLPs. I believe both of these are sensationalist and gossip-driven news sites, just like Daily Mail which we avoid using as well. I suggest you to see Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources. --Saqib (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! And you gave a good example of Daily Mail. If talking about BLP, does official interview with these references work? For example, Aamir Liaquat's interview to Brandsynario, Ali Zafar's to Brandsynario and NewsLine Magazine. M. Billoo 16:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
@M.Billoo2000: See Wikipedia:Interviews. I think credibility of interviewer and source matters. I have no problem using interviews published in the Newsline but I would never use interviews done by Brandsynario. Likewise never use interviews to cite controversial claims and information that could be challenged. --Saqib (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

48 Hours Challenge

Dear Saqib, please delete 48 Hours Challenge. I have created this but I think, yes it could be hoax.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 18:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles Restoration

Hi, I hope you will be fine. I want to restore the following articles. Will you please help me.

Thanks! Wisalahmad523 (talk) 14:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Shafeeq Gigyani (activist) please review this one too. thanks! Wisalahmad523 (talk) 15:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi! Do you know about recent knife attacks in Karachi? It is so much in news, I thought it should have been included on wikipedia. I started a draft on the topic. Though, every info I added there is verified by the references, but I am confused on how to arrange them; or say which reference can be cited to which paragraph. I think instead of removing anything from there, it could be improved into new wordings. This is my first try on contributing for recent crime-related-news articles, so that's why I am weak on it. Therefore, I need some help there to avoid WP:C-P and WP:OR, so that it could be moved to mainspace. Hope for your kind response and help on the draft/article, Thanks! M. Billoo 22:53, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: I won't be able to help much as I am pretty busy off-wiki, however here are my two cents; at a quick glance, the article reads like a news story to me. It contains Too much detail. You should merge "attack" and "police report" sections" and remove unnecessary quotations like those of Dr. Zaeem, DSP Shaukat Ali, SHO Zulfiqar Haider etc. "Reactions" section is too long in my opinion and needs to be trimmed down. I don't see a good reason to note down quotations and reaction of each and every politician. --Saqib (talk) 10:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Abdul Razak Dawood

Saqib, first you deserve credit for creating this article on 21 January 2017. All I did yesterday was to try to expand it a little bit with a reference to a recognized solid business news website I am trying to be courteous to you, rather than revert you as you did to me, and first ask you a question on your Talk page here. I am just curious as to why you removed some of my added lines when they are clearly backed up by website. For example, website says that he is a "Director of Pakistan Business Council from 2013 – present" and also the Chairman of Descon Limited. In case you were in a hurry and did not click on the website link 'Read Full Background' given below the 'Partial Profile Background' shown on their website, then you apparently missed seeing those extra lines that I am talking about? By the way, I do remember you fixing one of my Dawn (newspaper) links for me couple of months ago and I did appreciate your help (it was my fault and all of us make mistakes occasionally). I am just asking you to take another look at website's Profile of Abdul Razak Dawood. Thanks Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ngrewal1: I really appreciate you taking the time to write me. It was mistake on my part and I instate the material that I removed. --Saqib (talk) 15:42, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Thanks Saqib, that's nice of you. We are both working for the same goal - to try to improve Pakistan-related articles on Wikipedia. Ngrewal1 (talk) 16:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Copyedit of Fawad Khan

Hi Saqib, while peer reviewing Fawad Khan you found some originally researched contents in the article and placed OR tag. The article has been copyedited by Guild of Copy Editors and the OR tag has been removed by Copyediter. I'd like you to read the article and let me know about your feedback. Thanks Amirk94391 (talk) 06:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Amirk94391: It is good to hear that the bio has been copyedited however I am not satisfied the page meets GA criteria. --Saqib (talk) 06:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Moonis Elahi

Dear Saqib, you are editing the page very often but you are providing absolutely wrong information.

For example, you edit that "In 2011, Elahi was accused of corruption of Rs 320 million during his father's tenure as the Chief Minister of Punjab.[2]".

Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi was Chief Minister of Punjab from 2002 to 2007. Moonis Elahi was politically victimized and he voluntarily faced the trial and acquited by the honorable court.

Waiting for your reply of the said issue. The information which you have posted on the page is wrong. Please correct it. Kindly address this issue and don't spread the wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhamamd Aziz Saeed (talkcontribs) 13:10, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: the article is fair, and well-sourced as per Wikipedia policies and guidelines. --Saqib (talk) 10:47, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: The information you have provided in the article is wrong. You must cross-check the information before posting. I urge you to correct it and don't make it a biased article. Thanks --Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: No. The article doesn't contain wrong information and is not biased in any way. --Saqib (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Would you say that Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi was Chief Minister of Punjab in 2011? He was Chief Minister between 2002 to 2007 and he has nothing to do with NICL Scam. Moonis Elahi was only political victimized in this case. You must research well. --Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Saqib: You are not talking and you have not removed the wrong information from the page. So now I have no other option but to report you to administrator. Please comply with the WIKIPEDIA rules.--Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: The page doesn't says that Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi was the Chief Minister of Punjab in 2011. Moonis Elahi was involved in NICL scandal as per this Dawn piece therefore the information will stay and won't be removed from the page. I suggest you to not remove the information from the page or you risk yourself being blocked. --Saqib (talk) 07:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Your recent edit of the page has proved that you are making it a biased page. Would you tell me what was wrong in my edit which you have reverted? Don't make it personal.--Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: You are engaging in copyright violation by copy pasting the information and that's why I am reverting your edits. --Saqib (talk) 12:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: You once again deleted the informaton which I have posted. My information was from the same source which you are using. Your editing is proving that you are doing it purposely. You are not allowing me to add any thing on the page. My all information is based on a source and you should stop delelting my information.--Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Saqib: You are deleting the information which is authentic and from the reliable sources. You are doing it purposely and it is unethical and wrong. You are showing the one side of the picture and not allowing me to show the other and correct side of the picture.--Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: The article already says He was later acquitted in 2011 due to lack of evidence. so I don't guess why would you add a judge's remarks. I have added statement by Elahi's father. I hope you're satisfied now. I suggest you to avoid copyvio in your future edits. --Saqib (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: NICL scam has no link with Moonis Elahi's father's tenure as a Chief Misniter. NICL happened in 2011 and his father tenure of Chief Misniter of Punjab was from (2002 to 2007).You must research it well and you must remove these words from there.--Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: No. I am not going to remove critical information as you suggest. The information is valid and will stay on the page. --Saqib (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: You have again reverted my changes. My material is very much valid and related to the topic. Please stop reverting again and again. Thanks Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Muhamamd Aziz Saeed: why don't you stop citing unreliable sources? --Saqib (talk) 07:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: You must mention which citing is from unreliable sources. I have used the text from the cition which you have used but you still deleted it. For a proof you can check the history of my updates. I am not deleting your text I am just trying to elobrate more the topic for the better understanding of the reader. Let's make it fair. Thanks Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
@Saqib: You did it again. You have removed the whole section which I have created. All material in this section was verfiried and was posted with citation. Any comments? Muhamamd Aziz Saeed
The answer is on your talk page: User_talk:Muhamamd_Aziz_Saeed#December_2017. --Saqib (talk) 15:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Pakistan needs to meet Criteria

Hey Saqib! I'm from Pakistan and currently working of Pakistan sports stubs as I am also a sportsman. Would like work with you as its hard for me to do it frequently with my 9 hours job schedule. I make edit daily but sometimes I don't have much time to find better sources. Waiting for your reply. TylerBlack97 (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

@TylerBlack97: Thanks for your message, however unfortunately sports related articles do not interest me. --Saqib (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


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Hamid Mir

Hamid Mir article is full of biased, unverified material etc. I am trying to remove some of the unverified content. You can get details on this article from its talk page Do you have reference of statements which I have removed. --Spasage (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: This BLP obviously need attention but you cannot remove sourced material. For instance, this. --Saqib (talk) 05:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Please do not keep on reverting back. This claim of being most popular can not be even verified in washingtonpost. So, I am not sure why we need to put this statement considering this article is full of biased material, which concerns me more. --Spasage (talk) 06:02, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Spasage: I think you should carefully read this article by Washington Post before taking any further step. The article reads "In 2002, he joined Geo, the up-and-coming television station. His popularity soared as Geo grew into one of the most-watched networks in the country. Presidents, ambassadors and ministers sought to be on Mir’s “Capital Talk,” a four-nights-a-week news talk show that mixed traditional reporting with opinion." Though I agree that this need to paraphrased because of copyvio --Saqib (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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@NeilN: Noted, however I am just trying to revert the deletion of properly sourced material. --Saqib (talk) 06:09, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: Hamid Mir is full of biased and unreliable material. I was trying to clean this article and user Saqib is not allowing me to do so. If you just read Hamid Mir talk page, you can see how bad this article is. I am just trying to improve quality of this article. I also explained this on his talk page We should discuss content of Hamid Mir article and then edit it and remove wrong information. --Spasage (talk) 06:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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@Spasage: I don't think the BLP is biased. It contains full fledged "Criticism" section, though I agree the page needs attention and you're welcome to improve it however I suggest you to not remove information outright which is duly sourced via inline citations. --Saqib (talk) 06:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: What I removed was un-sourced and can not be verified. --Spasage (talk) 06:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: Should I also build consensus on statements which does not have any reference. People who do not know Hamid Mir, will believe what is written it in, this is my concern. --Spasage (talk) 06:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Spasage: The bit that was added back seems to be sourced. Anything that is unsourced can be removed and should not be added back without a proper source. --NeilN talk to me 06:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @NeilN: This paragraph is what User:Spasage claims is not sourced and trying to remove it, repeately which causing edit war. --Saqib (talk) 06:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: I will remove what is un-sourced.--Spasage (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Lets make Hamid Mir a good ready and improve quality. Hope you will help, instead of impeding efforts.--Spasage (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Go ahead. --Saqib (talk) 12:07, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

You have added unreliable sources tag on Sarmad Sehbai and Arieb Azhar. Did you find anything particular on these two articles. --Spasage (talk) 17:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

@Spasage: Both BLP's contains unreliable sources such as ",,, et cetra. Also IMDb should not be generally cited as a source. --Saqib (talk) 17:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
You consider as unreliable. Along with,, and . What is your criteria of reliability. --Spasage (talk) 17:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
@Spasage: why don't you take a moment to thoroughly read WP:PUS? --Saqib (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
WP:PUS does not say that sites like are not reliable. is the most respected site around. Others are also good source to cite. --Spasage (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
@Spasage: Sources which have a poor reputation for fact checking, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest should be better avoided in BLPs. --Saqib (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


@Saqib:, why you nominated my pages for deletion as it has some resources? New786678 (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@New786678: I don't see your articles meeting WP notability guidelines. --Saqib (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Chaudhry Moonis Elahi

Hi Saqib, you have reverted my first edit of Moonis Elahi and it is not a good beginning. You removed my content because you think it is "already mentioned". Would you please show me that where it is written that Moonis Elahi stood for two constituencies and won the both? Don't you think that winning from two constituencies is an achievement? Plz edit it or allow me. Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:21, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

On the page of Moonis Elahi please refer to the lines "He was declared a proclaimed offender for failure to appear before the investigation committee and as a result he was arrested and jailed". The impression to the reader from these lines may be misleading as they omit some vital on ground facts. The two facts to be borne in mind & worthy of mention here are that on Feb 23, 2011 the Additional District & Sessions Judge had set aside the earlier magisterial orders declaring Moonis Elahi as a proclaimed offender and that the FIA did not arrest Moonis Elahi, as he had assured to produce himself for an arrest. Please refer to the following news links. [1] [2] [3] I am ready to provide more news links or any other sources you needed. Please consider my request. Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk)


  1. ^ "Moonis Elahi no more proclaimed offender". Geo.TV. 23 February 2011. Retrieved 9 December 2017.
  2. ^ "Justice stood tall, Moonis Elahi stood victorious". Pakistan Today. 13 November 2011. Retrieved 9 December 2017.
  3. ^ "Time line of Moonis Elahi case". The News. 23 February 2011. Retrieved 9 December 2017.
@Saqib: I am waiting of your reply on my suggested edit. Plz response. Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk)
@ShakirShah: I wouldn't want to go into too much detail per WP:BLOATED. --Saqib (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: It is not too much details. It is necessary to mention the facts. It looks WP:BIASED and incomplete. I request you to add the suggested material to complete the story. Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk)
@ShakirShah: Per this and this Elahi was arrested in March 2011 following the dismissal of his bail. --Saqib (talk) 15:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: It says following "Mooni Elahi presented himself for arrest to the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) after rejection of his bail petition by the Lahore High Court (LHC) in NICL corruption case on Thursday, Geo News reported.Earlier today, Moonis Elahi, after hearing of the case at LHC, sought permission and went home. Later, he arrived at FIA’s office along with some workers of his party and presented himself for arrest."[4] and "Police did not arrest him after rejection of the bail petition and Moonis left the court along with workers of his party. About two hours later, he reached FIA's Punjab headquarters on Temple Road and surrendered himself." [5]. He surrender himself and was not arrested. At the time of his surrender talking to media, Moonis Elahi said: “It is not like him to run away and that he would face everyone.” Would you check these comments and links? Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk)
@ShakirShah: I will look into this. On a side note, the disruptive behaviour of your fellow Aziz Saeed has led the page of Elahi to be locked down. --Saqib (talk) 15:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saqib: Cпасибо. I have no concern with the edits of the said user done. I am responsible for my edits only and I think that facts should be right. Why you protected the page? User:ShakirShah (talk)
@Saqib: This article also says that Moonis Elahi declared "Proclaimed Offender". It is also not a correct information. The true fact is that at that time he was not in Pakistan. [1] However, on February 23, 2011 this order was set aside by the Sessions Court, Lahore. [2] [3] [4]. Plz edit this information too. Thanks User:ShakirShah (talk)


  1. ^ "NICL scam: Moonis Elahi returns to 'put up a fight'". The Express Tribune. Retrieved 12 December 2017.
  2. ^ "Moonis Elahi no more proclaimed offender". The Express Tribune. Retrieved 12 December 2017.
  3. ^ "Court cancels arrest warrant for Moonis Elahi". Geo TV. Retrieved 12 December 2017.
  4. ^ Newspaper, From the (2011-03-18). "Moonis surrenders to FIA after bail plea rejection". DAWN.COM. Retrieved 2017-12-05.

@ShakirShah: Since you're blocked for socking, I am not going to answer. --Saqib (talk) 04:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib. I finished my copy edit of the Abbasi page. It looked pretty good overall, but I did add a few citation needed tags, just to be extra careful since this is a BLP of a major politician. I hope that helped! Tdslk (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Rana Afzal Khan

Hi According to the sources, Miftah and Rana are the both successors of Dar. --Panam2014 (talk) 11:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: The power resides with federal minister not a state minister and in this case, Miftah is federal minister. For verification purpose, please consult this news item which states Miftah to head finance ministry and this editorial which states with Miftah appointment as federal minister, "there is some clarity on who is the boss." --Saqib (talk) 11:50, 28 December 2017 (UTC)