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Timely removal of declined case requests?[edit]


The Anachronist case request has been majority declined for several days now. It's not fair to the accused party (weren't we going to move away from that naming convention when possible?) to have their name listed as the title of a case request for days longer than appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alert templates: "kurd" is ambiguous[edit]


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{{subst:Contentious topics/alert|kurd}}:
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I think we need a separate code to refer to WP:ARBKURDS, as "kurd" is taken by the community-imposed extended-confirmed restriction. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the template itself is not ambiguous, how is that parameter ambiguous? We don't use Template:Contentious topics, or any of its sub-templates, for general sanctions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I didn't realize that Template:Alert could also be used for general sanctions. If we want to continue doing so, TBF is right that we need distinct parameters for the different regimes. We should probably also further distinguish the two versions of Armenia/Azerbaijan sanctions, as "a-a" and "aa" are likely to be mixed up. Maybe "gskurd" and "gsaa"/"gsa-a" for the general sanctions versions?
We have another issue, which applies also to Template:Gs/alert: the community has not in fact "authorised uninvolved administrators to impose contentious topics restrictions" for the Kurds, Armenia/Azerbaijan, and Russia/Ukraine topic areas. It just imposed ECR. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be better to deprecate {{subst:Alert}} in favor of {{subst:Gs/alert}}, {{subst:Contentious topics/alert/first}}, and {{subst:Contentious topics/alert}}? I think the more specific templates are becoming more commonly used nowadays because they're the ones documented on WP:GS.
Another possible fix would be adding a required "type" parameter to distinguish between Arbitration Committee and community sanctions or prefixing every code like "gs/a-a" and "ct/a-a".
Regarding the {{subst:Alert}} language, it shouldn't say "contentious topics" for any community sanction. At this time, that term is only used for Arbitration Committee sanctions. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 212#RfC: Converting all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure decided to say "contentious topics" for community sanctions as well. SilverLocust 💬 01:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like I missed that RfC. Thanks! Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should neither deprecate the "alert" template for ArbCom's CTOP notifications nor suddenly require a parameter prefix. The current state is a convenient short code that can easily be (and is probably often) typed by hand; it has required a huge amount of work to be established. Its use is documented at Template:Contentious topics and its subpages; the direct use of the "Contentious topics" template is a trick I only had to apply because of the ambiguity of "kurds". People use, this, convenient, code, all, the, time. Trying to find a different usage in the filter hit log of 602 is actually tough. Changing the way alerts are placed every few years is something we really shouldn't do. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that Module:Sanctions would need to be changed to make that an option. If you don't include [ct] = 'true' in the data at Module:Sanctions/data, then {{subst:gs/alert|kurd}} and the others will give This topic area is not designated as a contentious topic. Alert is not required. SilverLocust 💬 01:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Firefangledfeathers that a separate code isn't necessary because the templates are separate. However, it would help distinguish the alert if it mentioned the Arbitration Committee, and it seems like "broadly construed" should be set off by commas. Something like the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed, are designated as a contentious topic by the Arbitration Committee perhaps? The last sentence is a little repetitive too. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]