User talk:Dclemens1971

Query about Michael Breen page

I don't understand why you're suggesting the page for deletion. Breen is the CEO of a nonprofit and previously headed a think tank, both of which have their own Wiki entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplewriter (talk • contribs) 14:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please review the criteria for notability under WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Notability is not inherited by virtue of the organization someone is affiliated with but must be independently established by reliable secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed it, and disagree with you -- it is notable when someone, for example, is invited to testify at a congressional hearing and when someone is listed by secondary sources as an expert in his field -- but will try to find a couple more secondary sources. Purplewriter (talk) 17:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Death of Ruth Perry

Thanks for the heads up about the page Death of Ruth Perry. Now if you check the page history you'll see that I created it as a redirect, not as an article. While it's notable enough as a redirect I agree it certainly isn't notable enough as an article. My suggestion is changing it back to a redirect. Might I also suggest checking more thoroughly in future, and reading up on when is appropriate to use user warnings. Thank you, This is Paul (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

See that now. Thanks and sorry for the tag -- it was to notify the page creator that it had been redirected. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries, This is Paul (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Reed this plase

why you delete CDE Entertainment and Embracer Freemode Alsadyee215 (talk) 16:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alsadyee215 -- I did not delete them. I restored redirects to their notable parent companies. The subsidiaries do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards for companies (see WP:NCORP and the requirements there). If you can add sources that are secondary, reliable, independent and provide WP:SIGCOV of these subsidiaries, then they can be restored as standalone articles, but if you remove the redirects without adding acceptable sources, I will nominate the page(s) for deletion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Orphan article Ruben Natal-San Miguel

Greetings, Today I de-orphaned this article by adding a link at Arecibo, Puerto Rico article, Notable people section. I also removed Two orphan tags; first from "May 2024"; second from "September 2024". After two months, the Orphan tag becomes "invisible" so only way to check (Edit-lead) or page bottom (All visible Categories).

Help to de-orphan articles.

1. WikiProject Orphanage - working to reduce the article backlog.

2. Wikipedia:Orphan - the complete How-to Guide for Orphaned articles.

» De-orphaning articles is an important aspect of building the web.

Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 20:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Article by a pop singer

Hello, how are you? I would like to request that you give me advice on how to publish this Article that I have in my workshop and that twice a user has been transferring it to me when deleting it because according to him the article does not meet the requirements of musical relevance, I The article seems confusing. I have carefully structured it so that it meets the notoriety requirements. I have searched for credible, independent and well-known sources such as Rolling Stone, The Times of India, Samaa TV, Bollywood Hungama, Music Business Worldwide. Among others from his country, the singer has also participated in the Coca Cola television program Coke Studio Pakistan season 15 and has recently also been listed as the most listened to musical artist on Spotify Pakistan and India. I don't know what more relevance it should have apart from of everything mentioned, thanks for your attention. --Alon9393 (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alon9393 You can follow the processes to submit to WP:AFC. If the sources are appropriate, the reviewers there will accept it for publication. If they don't, you need to consider their reasoning for why. It looks like it has a lot of tabloid news sources, which do not contribute to notability per WP:SBST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Rolling Stone is not a sensationalist source, it is a magazine dedicated to music and popular culture in a professional way since 1967. Do you have the same opinion as the user who sent me a draft of this article, who I assume has not read the sources or the context? historical but well I will continue looking for that advice because this article is relevant, the AFD was recently there and the result was maintain I do not understand why Saquiq sends it to the draft persistently there are articles much less relevant than this one, and there are Fasl-ı Cedid. --Alon9393 (talk) 18:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alon9393 You didn't cite Rolling Stone, you cited Rolling Stone India, which is not the same. RS India has licensed the brand from the parent publication. Many Indian news sources have major problems with paid news (see WP:NEWSORGINDIA). In this case, it doesn't appear to be paid (since it's a critical review), but many of your other sources may be. This one is signed "Entertainment Desk", and this one is signed "Web Desk"; unbylined articles are more likely not to be reliable. As for Saqib's draftification of your two drafts, he clearly thinks your sources don't support the notability of this subject. HOWEVER, his is not the last word on this. Read WP:DRAFTOBJECT: "Other editors, including the author of the page, but excluding editors with a conflict of interest, have a right to object to draftifying the page. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and, if necessary, list it at AfD. A page may only be moved unilaterally to the draftspace a single time. If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc." If you truly object, just tell him so on his talk page. He may move the page back to mainspace, or you can. He will likely nominate the article for deletion, at which point the broader Wikipedia community will have eyes on it and weigh in. Good luck. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alon9393 Heck, if you object to the draftification, tell me here and I'll move it back to mainspace and notify Saqib. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you help me in that aspect, I sincerely do not want to talk to that user. You could contact him and request that you analyze the article even though I have a hard time believing that the last word is his. please. Alon9393 (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No, please don't move that to mainspace. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies I have no comment on whether it should stay there. It's clear from this user though that the draftification is controversial and thus should be reverted and an AfD process ensue. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Drmies A user made the decision to keep the article and Sadiq did everything possible to delete the article and return it to the Draft. that's arbitrary. Alon9393 (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alon9393 Liz kept the article procedurally because you made an inappropriate AfD nomination. It was not a complete discussion with a "keep" result. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it should be moved to mainspace because the creator doesn't like it in mainspace. Drmies (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear from thread that the user wants it in mainspace. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant "doesn't want it in mainspace". And moving it to mainspace so we can put it up for deletion, that seems like a weird idea to me. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you already moved it. Well. Drmies (talk) 23:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

That's the procedure under WP:DRAFTOBJECT. The page creator objected to Saqib's draftification. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

But come on there are bands Fasl-ı Cedid musicals/musical artists who do not present the relevance and notoriety that is required but are published in the main space without any objections or obstacles. Why the article I was creating about the Pakistani musician Abdul Hannan? It cannot be in the main space if, in addition to having coverage of more than 23 references, it has been highlighted a lot. Why? The issue here of notoriety is not because of the references that another background will exist. Alon9393 (talk) 20:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Drmies, Dclemens1971 Hello, I inform you that Saqib opened an AFD in Abdul Hannan (singer) it seems that this user does not want the article by pop singer Abdul Hannan to exist and even though in his PD he indicates that he helps the articles of his country. Pakistan but in what way, no idea. As I mentioned before, the way it is practiced against that article is evident from my side, that article meets the requirements of musical notoriety, but we will see what decision the community as a whole makes. Alon9393 (talk) 19:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Alon9393, he indicates that he helps the articles of his country. Pakistan It doesn’t mean I’ll allow garbage to remain. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib At no time have I said to vote for the article in this comment, I leave this question to the community that Whoever decides, from now on I will refrain from making any comments and participating in the vote that you just opened. Alon9393 (talk) 19:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Alon9393, You should have trusted the AFC review process and submitted the draft for review, rather than insisting on moving it directly to the main namespace. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib By the way, Abdul Hannan is one of the artists most listened to by young people in your country, or maybe you are not Pakistani where you are from then so as not to knowing that and his music is not garbage, he has participated in the COKE STUDIO of COCA COLA. Alon9393 (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib, By the way, Saqib, I was not the one who brought the article that you moved from the draft to the main space. was the user Dclemens1971 .. Alon9393 (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Alon9393, Abdul Hannan is one of the artists most listened to by young people in your country, I don't care. maybe you are not Pakistani where you are from then Yeah, right, I’m from Skull Island. his music is not garbage, Who said his music is garbage? I never said that. I haven't even listened to it, so why would I say that? The BLP, however, is garbage. I was not the one who brought the article that you moved from the draft to the main space. They did it because you insisted. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Dclemens1971, sometimes we really shouldn’t be wasting the community's time in AFDs when it’s clear a newbie is just trying to avoid the AFC review process. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib Ok, so it's rubbish that Hanan gets significant coverage from Red Bull, The Times of India, Rolling Stones India, Sama TV, Spotify. I understand it Saqib, you have not stood out in anything and you are frustrated by the fame of others, I understand you, I know it is difficult for you. Alon9393 (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alon9393, this kind of personal attack is unacceptable. You must stop immediately, apologize and strike out your insults. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib, WP:DRAFTOBJECT is quite clear about what should happen when an editor objects to unilateral draftification. It cannot be an end run around an AfD if the editor is unwilling to wait. Ultimately it’s worse for the creator of a poorly sourced page, but they tend not to realize this. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Alon9393, this is Dclemens's talk page. You need to discuss this elsewhere, like the article's talk page--please stop filling up this editor's talk page. As for the insults and the snide comments--it has to stop. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Can you review my page? :)

Hey. Hope you're doing well. Just checking if you can review a page I wrote - Rusha & Blizza. Thank you. LaraKapoor (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I do not review pages upon request. I review them as they come up in the queue. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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DePRODing 3D printing in India

Hey. While patrolling, I recently dePRODed an article that you had proposed for deletion (3D printing in India). I objected because while I agreed with you that the topic does not merit a standalone article, I think at least some of the content should be preserved, possibly by merger into 3D printing. If you still want to delete, you are welcome to nominate the article through wp:AfD. I just wanted to check in to see if you were intending to nominate, because if you don't I will hopefully propose a merger. -- Lenny Marks (talk) 23:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Lenny Marks I don't think there's much in there worth merging given how ESSAY-like it is, but what material you find appropriately encyclopedic I have no objection to merging. I would recommend going ahead and WP:BOLDLY doing a merge rather than proposing it as I doubt it would be controversial. Good luck! Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Move of article on portuguese rail halt

Hi. You moved and changed the article on the Marvila halt to rename it as a station; one of the edit summaries says this is a translation error. Can you elaborate?

Marvila is a halt, be it by the features it lacks (only has platforms on the main tracks, has no sidings, nor switches, and is probably also in the middle of automatic block with no entry/exit signals), be it according to the portuguese rail stops listings (both IET50 and the "network statement" list it as a halt). So what's the matter here?

Unless there's a compelling reason to name it "station", I'm inclined to move back to "halt" and revert the wording edits. njsg (talk) 09:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

As Wikipedia itself explains, a halt is a kind of station, so I don’t think this is inaccurate and I do think it is compliant with MOS:JARGON. If you disagree, I won’t object to your moving it back. Dclemens1971 (talk) 10:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of a page

Hello User:Dclemens1971, I would like to take your opinion on the subject of deletion of these pages Honneur Stadium (Oujda), Stade d'Honneur I already marked them for deletion but I want you to review them just for being sure Mo Amine M (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mo Amine M I'm not sure they were transcluded correctly to the daily log as I don't see the discussion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Mo Amine M, you never added these redirects to the correct RFD daily log for September 26th so there can't be a discussion about them. Please follow the instructions at WP:RFD, it's not enough to put a tag on a page. Remember to notify the redirect creator, too. It's easiest if you use Twinkle to handle tagging pages for deletion discussions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

Recent draftifications

Hello, Dclemens1971,

I hope you independently assessed these articles and their sources before moving them to Draft space and you didn't do so only because two editors recently created them. As I said somewhere (either on ANI or an AFD), I came across a few articles about notable people who the editors claimed were part of this Empathetic Movement but the sources supporting this claim were either absent or weak. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Liz I did review the sources that were available to me and they didn't appear to support notability. (When I'm working on a batch of similar articles or articles by a single editor, I will often review sources as a batch, then take review actions in a batch, so it might look like I'm not checking, but I am.) They were all created by a single editor (a blocked sock and puppet). I marked a couple as reviewed where there was a GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

PCC Eagles

Thank you for reading my new page: Pensacola Christian Eagles. I must ask what made you decide to put the "additional citations" banner at the top of the page. I carefully constructed all of my sources and carefully considered how many were needed. Can you please elaborate on where I need to add additional sources or perhaps move some around so that we can eventually take the banner down? Thanks! Wjenkins96 (talk) 23:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wjenkins96 Here are a few statements I see that need verification or better sourcing:

• "Their most recent appearance in 2021 marked the first time the Lady Eagles advanced past the pool stage of the tournament before they were eliminated in the semifinal round by Johnson University (TN)."
• "Their main rival was Alabama Christian College, now known as Faulkner University."
• "The Arlin R. Horton Sports Center is the home arena for the basketball and volleyball programs. It opened in 1993, and, along with the 3,199-seat arena, includes an ice-skating rink, a bowling alley, a rock climbing wall, wallyball/racquetball rooms, a waterpark with a FlowRider, and an inline skating rink, among other amenities."
• "Pensacola Christian's de facto rival is Bob Jones University considering both founders of Pensacola Christian College graduated from BJU. The rivalry has been in place ever since the Bob Jones Bruins began an intercollegiate athletics department in 2012." (The source provided does not validate anything in these sentences except that BJU is a PCC rival.)
• "Despite being in the state of Florida, Pensacola Christian's athletic teams have rarely competed against schools of the Sunshine State Conference," (This sounds like WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and should probably removed unless you can provide a source. The sources in the bullet points verify the times the competitions have happened but don't state that such matchups are rare.)

Overall the article is in good shape but WP:V checks are part of new page review. Hope this helps! Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(1) This source is listed in the table below that text in the 2021 row. I can put that source next to "Johnson University (TN)" as well for better clarification.

(2) Extremely limited information is available on PCC's short-lived baseball program. Under External Links is a document where I list wrestling scores, baseball scores, along with volleyball and men's basketball scores that are not on PCC's athletic website. I know for a fact that all wrestling scores have their sources clipped (if they came from newspapers.com), but I have yet to do that for baseball (it's only the URL for the newspapers.com article which can only be seen if you have an account). Alabama Christian was the most common opponent that I found.

I could replace that sentence with the fact that PCC and Alabama Christian played an extremely unusual triple-header on April 10, 1982, albeit with abbreviated games (they were five, six, and seven innings respectively).

(3) The amenities at the Arlin R. Horton Sports Center are listed on its associated Wikipedia page, which I also wrote. I can copy the appropriate citation from that page and paste it onto here.

(4) PCC is essentially a "church plant" of BJU, and it is one of several Fundamentalist Christian colleges started by Bob Jones graduates, not to mention the two schools' regional geographical proximity to each other.

I can remove the phrase "...considering both founders of Pensacola Christian College graduated from BJU" and it should hopefully alleviate this issue.

(5) I really do not want to remove this as the evidence is there if you know about the history of the Sunshine State Conference or at least about NCAA Division II sports in Florida. If you go to the website pcceagles.com, and look at previous seasons, you'll notice that you almost never see the SSC schools, and that they have never against Barry, Eckerd, Florida Southern, Lynn, Nova Southeastern, Rollins, or Tampa in any sport, nor have they ever played former SSC teams North Florida or St. Thomas-FL (they did play former member UCF in wrestling, but this was long after UCF moved up to Division I). The likely reason for this is because Pensacola Christian College was unaccredited until 2013, when they were approved for national accreditation. I think that this information should stay up, at least for now.

Thank you for your feedback! I plan on making the changes mentioned above. Wjenkins96 (talk) 04:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wjenkins96 Good call on 1-4. I don't think it should say there was an Alabama Christian rivalry unless you found sources to say there was. On point 5, you're basically admitting that this is your original conclusion based on your research... and that doesn't have a place on Wikipedia, so I'm quite certain you should remove the assertion. (The article doesn't lose anything by dropping it.) If you drop that sentence and address the other issues as you propose I would have no problem with removing the maintenance tag. Thanks for asking! Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Done! I could write an addendum on the Google Sheets document I have listed under the External Links section listing off the few instances of PCC playing teams that are currently in the Sunshine State Conference. Technically the MSOC game vs. Saint Leo in 2019 was the only time a PCC team played an SSC opponent while the opponent was in that conference. I realized not too long ago that PCC Wrestling's former head coach, Jim Hazewinkel, attended St. Cloud State (class of 1967) and would've wrestled inside Halenbeck Hall, another Wikipedia article I created. This was by sheer coincidence, I swear!

Thanks for your help! Wjenkins96 (talk) 05:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Virginia Galle

I wanted to understand more on the notability warning you put on the page. She was a elected politician of a major US city that did earn tens of thousands of votes, and that seemed notable to me. I understand that there were limited sources, but it seemed a bit much to put the warning up. Although I did rely on the Obituaries a good amount, the majority of those fact were backed up by a second independent source. I did add more independent sources and notable things after your review.

I removed the warning and marked it as a start-class, which seemed more appropriate. Other articles that I have written of politicians that had limited sources were assessed that way, so I did the same.

Thanks, Bpuddin (talk) 03:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Happy to explain, @Bpuddin. The obituaries you used are not independent, reliable sources -- they are the kind of obituary provided by family members, not independently reported by a newspaper's staff. Please see WP:NOBITS for more details. The other sources you included mention Galle but they do not provide WP:SIGCOV of her as required under WP:GNG. You also use several WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (government documents, etc) that do not contribute to notability. Thus, there is no evidence in your article that she meets the required notability standard. (Under WP:NPOL, local elected officials are not considered automatically notable and must pass the general notability guideline.) I'm not going to edit-war with you over the maintenance tag. But I'll check back in a week, and if sources showing she meets WP:GNG have not been added, I'll do my own WP:BEFORE search, and if I don't find anything that qualifies, I will nominate the article for deletion. Good luck! Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Secondary sources have been added, and under guidelines that you provided, notability has been established. So I don't think a deletion is (or has been) necessary. Bpuddin (talk) 08:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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