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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to eventually nominate it for FA. This article has already had a peer review and recently passed GA. I would appreciate suggestions on how to make it more comprehensive and how to improve the prose.
Thanks, Benny the mascot (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry this is taking me so long - will review in the next 24 hours. Sorry, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- No need to rush...I have other ways of keeping myself busy. :) Good luck on your FAC, by the way. Benny the mascot (talk) 03:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for being so understanding - this looks pretty good to me, so here are some mostly nit-picky suggestions for improvement.
- One thing that is sometimes hard to do is to provide context to the reader about things the author is familiar with. I am fairly familiar with the Chicago area, but was not that sure where Lisle was. A brief description would help (x miles west of the Loop / downtown Chicago) or a map with a dot would help too.
- Small mention of location added. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- I also was confused by mentions of the college, but no real resolution on what happened to it - it took me a little searching here, but I assume it is what is now known as Benedictine University in Lisle. The article mentions the university as the site of buildings The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[20] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[12], and in terms of a scholarship at the academy, but I think it needs to explicitly say what happened to the college after the academy split. I realize that this article on the Academy, so it need not be a lot of detail, but some is needed.
- I added a footnote. Does that help? Benny the mascot (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The map is nice, but I am guessing the Census does not show buildings (only streets and water), so the source for those needs to be given explicitly - this will be checked at FAC.
- I've already provided sourcing on the Commons page. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The capitalization of College and Academy by themselves seems a bit odd, though it is done consistently as far as I can tell. The Wikipedia:MOS#Institutions says if it is the generic word (college, academy) by itself it should not be capitalized.
- I fixed the ones I could find. Let me know if I missed any. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The lead just seems sparse to me - especially the second and third paragraphs. My rule of thumb is to make sure every header is in the lead somehow - are Demographics and the Christmas Drive there?
- I mentioned the Christmas Drive a little bit, but the Demographics section is already somewhat covered in the lead. ("Benet's average ACT test score has exceeded statewide and national averages, and more than 99 percent of students have gone on to college after graduation")
- The language is decent but I noticed a few rough spots reading - I will try and come back and point some more out soon, here is one to start
- Classes began on March 2, when Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street for four months. FOur months in one day? Wow that's concentrated teaching! Perhaps Classes began on March 2, and for the next four months Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street. would be better. I am also not sure students can be remedial - I thought classes were? Could be wrong
- Sentence replaced with a small revision regarding the usage of "remedial". Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Classes began on March 2, when Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street for four months. FOur months in one day? Wow that's concentrated teaching! Perhaps Classes began on March 2, and for the next four months Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street. would be better. I am also not sure students can be remedial - I thought classes were? Could be wrong
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback! Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- More from Ruhrfisch
I will try to point out language that needs work here, as well as any other issues that I notice
- Lead It was founded in 1887 as the all-boys St. Procopius College and Academy by Benedictine monks in Chicago, who also operated the St. Joseph Bohemian Orphanage, which along with St. Procopius later moved to Lisle, approximately 25 miles (40 km) west of Chicago.[6] Could this sentence be split into two? As it is now it is quite long and complex - I would start the new sentence after the word orphanage. Also could the year(s) for the move(s) to Lisle be added to provide context?
- Capitalization of college? The orphanage closed in 1956 to make room for St. Procopius Academy, which then separated from the College in 1957. (In Internet Explorer you can search for a word and it highlights all the matching terms in yellow - might be worth checking caps on college and academy this way)
- Tweak sentence Sacred Heart merged with St. Procopius Academy in 1967
on the St. Procopius campusto establish Benet Academy [on the St. Procopius campus]. - Also, any idea where the name "Benet" came from? a ha - here it says Benet is an English form of Benedict
- Unclear Benet's performing arts program stages multiple musicals ... I think it would be clearer to say Benet's performing arts program stages a musical annually... perhaps saying since when
- Need to be consistent on names - in the text it is "Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict..." but the image caption is just "Abbot Nepomucene Jaeger" (no John). I also wonder since St John of Nepomuk is not well known in the US, if a link would be in order?
- Suggested reoganization Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict was the pastor of the parish[.]
, which served approximately 16,000 to 20,000 parishioners. Chicago at that time had the largest Czech population of anyothercity in the world outside of Prague and Vienna. Roughly 50,000 Czech immigrants were served by the three Czech parishes of Chicago, which included [16,000 to 20,000 parishioners at] St. Procopius. - The source says they were teaching high school classes then, so I would clarify that in Only a two-year [high school] program was offered at the time; the college offered its first four-year high school program in 1904.[9]
- Might flow more smoothly as
The first Bohemian abbot in the United States,Abbot Jaeger[, the first Bohemian abbot in the United States,] founded a Bohemian monastic community in 1894... - What does better atmosphere mean? The college and academy continued to grow in Chicago; in 1896 the Abbey bought the 104-acre (42 ha) Morris Neff farm in Lisle to gain more space and a better atmosphere.[9] Cleaner air than in the city?
- Since I am assuming that the present Benedictine University still is on the site because they are the re-named St Procopius College, I think that needs to be made clearer in this: The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[21] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[13]
- OK I am stopping the rough spots here. I think this would benefit from a copy edit before FAC. There are a few other things I noticed:
- What makes Remembering Lisle a reliable source? See WP:RS
- The alt text for the mascot should desribe it as a bird, not a redwing (there might be those who think of the Detroit Redwings or even Red Wing Shoes
Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 00:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your advice! I've fixed most of the issues you've brought up; I just need to get that copyedit completed. Benny the mascot (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
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[edit]- Bill Canady (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article about a non-notable business executive. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. Sources are routine announcements and press releases. Jamiebuba (talk) 13:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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There does not appear to be significant independent coverage Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Sourcing:
- Guardian article isn't significant coverage
- Southern Illinoisian article is *about* a partnership that's not independent (he gave them the books about him to read), but the article itself is indepdent, reliable, and significant
- The "Steer Your Business Magazine" article seems very likely non-independent
- MoneyMarketing doesn't really cover *him*
- BusinessInsider is mostly him saying "I got rich by saving", may or may not be significant coverage, definitely independent
- OutsourcingAngel is non-reliable
- HillSong is just an event invite + non-independent
- His autobiography & other book are non-independent
- I am also unable to find any other sources, other than what is already in the article, on a quick look. His claims to fame seem to be (a) being a millionaire who was once homeless and (b) owning Genistar. But the S.Ill. + Bus.Insider don't really make enough coverage for (a), and (b) would be better in its own article. Therefore, Delete, lacking any sources. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per thebiguglyalien's comments. Fails WP: General notability guidelines and there's no significant coverage on this author since he wasn't involved in any major events. Galaxybeing (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable, per nomination and other comments. Go4thProsper (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Does not pass GNG. All sources are either primary such as election results or his LinkedIn page. Grahaml35 (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This article is so small and the number of sources are so limited. You probably do not have any relation to the article anyways. There is absolutely no reason to delete this article. AlexIAm1415 (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Typical coverage for a mayor [2] is what i find, but there isn't enough to prove notability. Ran for office and is now mayor, very typical coverage for anyone in his position. Oaktree b (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Having a extremely limited amount of reference is a very good reason to delete. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I found a few very mundane articles about his activities as mayor in local press. But far from anything that would rise to notability. Lamona (talk) 04:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There is minimal coverage or significant articles about his activities as mayor in the local press. Given the small size of the town, there is little evidence to support widespread notoriety or notability. Saliham (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Article does not present how the subject is individually notable outside of his group as per WP:BANDMEMBER. Previously nominated last year for same reason and the result of the discussion was to redirect to NCT (group). Article was re-created on August 28 but the subject of the article still doesn't have independent notability. RachelTensions (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect back to NCT (group) Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Does the addition of an 'Other Activities' section make any difference to this decision? Wikimaker17 (talk) 17:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see whether another Redirection is called for or if there should be another outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG; written like an advertisement. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep – includes references and suitable information, needs to settle down rather than have instant dismissal. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete.Fails WP:NORG with no WP:SIGCOV for the museum. Each of the sources is about its founder Doug Quick, with (at most) a glancing mention of the fact that he founded this organization. The closest we get is this local radio story, but even that is mostly about Quick with just a couple WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the museum. I'd suggest a redirect to Doug Quick but that page already redirects here. If someone wants to create that page so I can change my !vote, please ping me but otherwise I'm left with "delete." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)- I can work on converting the Doug Quick page to his bio and make a museum section and then merge this with the new Doug Quick Page, if you think this would work. BuffaloBob (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: Your take? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- A Doug Quick article with a redirect of Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum to a section in this would seem to be a possible solution. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am working on your recommendation and will be posting the “new” Doug Quick article shortly, then I will return here to request your consensus. BuffaloBob (talk) 03:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- A Doug Quick article with a redirect of Central Illinois' On-Line Broadcast Museum to a section in this would seem to be a possible solution. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: Your take? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I can work on converting the Doug Quick page to his bio and make a museum section and then merge this with the new Doug Quick Page, if you think this would work. BuffaloBob (talk) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep Needs lotsa clean up, but meets WP:GNG per Jonathan Bowen's argument. SBKSPP (talk) 01:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- @SBKSPP What are the references that you and @Jpbowen think provide WP:SIGCOV? They are all the definition of “trivial mention.” Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lots of original ideas but no consensus. If you are arguing Keep, you should respond to the nominator's statement about the lack of sources about the museum.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Dclemens1971. Fails WP:NORG. SBKSPP, why did you vote "Keep, meets GNG per Jonathan Bowen's argument", when Jonathan Bowen did not mention GNG once in their comment? Please provide some sources that offer significant coverage if you're going to vote to keep. C F A 💬 03:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect Redirect to the new Doug Quick bio article as suggested by @Dclemens1971 and endorsed by @Jpbowen. I am the creator of both of these articles and I agree to the redirect proposal.BuffaloBob (talk)
- Technical note, BuffaloBob -- if you support a redirect, please indicate that by changing your bolded !vote accordingly. A "keep" !vote supports keeping the article as is. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to newly created Doug Quick as AtD, as that's the subject for which the sources in this article provide WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Doug Quick. I change my mind. There's more coverage for the person than the online museum itself. SBKSPP (talk) 01:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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