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Abishe (talk) 13:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard team picture source[edit]

Hi! I am working on 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game and have a goal of getting it to GA and eventually FA. Looking ahead to the latter, I am trying to get some good public domain pictures for the article, and found File:1919 Harvard football team.jpg, which you uploaded a couple of years ago. In anticipation of the image review process, which will likely need a definitive publication date, would you happen to recall where you found this? It looks a lot to me like part of a yearbook page - if that's the case and you have a link to that yearbook that would be awesome as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • @PCN02WPS: My bad. I added the details at Wikimedia Commons. The image was published in The Boston Globe, November 22, 1919, page 8 here. Good luck with the GA/FA. Cbl62 (talk) 09:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you so much! That is extraordinarily helpful, much appreciated. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you move this to Earl Putman please? Per this and his Topps card says Putman if you search Google images. Asking you since you're the creator, thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Press reports refer to him as Putnam. I will check ancestry.com to see if i can confirm which is correct from official records. Cbl62 (talk) 13:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple primary sources on Ancestry.com confirm the last name was "putman". Accordingly, I did make the move. Thanks for calling it to my attention! Cbl62 (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

finding sources[edit]

Hi - In this AfD, you provided some citations. I had already searched fairly hard and failed to turn up those, so I'm trying to learn how you did it. First of all, do we have a free way to use Newspapers.com or do you have a personal subscription? Second, do you remember how you found the Press & Guide article? Thank you for any hints. Ike9898 (talk) 16:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • btw, I used the sources you provided in the subject article. Ike9898 (talk) 16:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested clippings[edit]

Sorry to bug you, but Newspapers.com is down for Wikipedia Library users, so would you be willing to clip a few articles for me? I would like clipped [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] and [11] (as well as any other parts to any of them). I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note that I sent this message to another user - trying to expand the stub I started - James Colzie III - as quickly as possible - which is why. If another user does this first, feel free to ignore this message. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do what I can do. Been tied up with watching NFL. Go Lions! Cbl62 (talk) 00:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another user got to them for me - thanks. I've been watching, too - though my Eagles are out and I like both SF and the Lions - not sure who to root for :D BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Max Stephan[edit]

On 21 February 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Max Stephan, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Max Stephan was sentenced to death for aiding a Nazi pilot who had escaped from a prisoner of war camp? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Max Stephan. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Max Stephan), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early NFL[edit]

I know we've conflicted on how important the early NFL was before. I guess, my view is not exactly that the players always received sigcov for playing in the NFL (although many did), but that the NFL usually just signed the players who were notable, if you know what I mean. I.e., even if not all the early players had much coverage for playing in the NFL, they usually were already notable players by the time they entered the NFL, and that is oftentimes why / how they entered the NFL (for being star football players). Just my thoughts. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: We agree on more than we disagree. I don't question the importance of the early NFL as an important phase in the history of America's most popular sport. For this reason, every early NFL team and season is notable and warrants a stand-alone article (including its roster of players). What I do question is the presumption that every player during the early years warrants his own stand-alone article. This presumptios is especially unwarranted for players who had only a cup of coffee in the league and those who played with the league's many small-city clubs (populations as of 1920) such as Tonawanda (pop. 10,000), Pottsville (pop. 21,000), Portsmouth (pop. 33,000), Rock Island (pop. 35,000), Hammond (pop. 36,000), Muncie (pop. 36,000), Kenosha (pop. 40,000), East Orange (pop 50,000), Racine (58,000), Evansville (pop. 85,000), Canton (pop. 87,000), and Duluth (98,000). While many early NFL players were previously notable as college stars, many others were not. Indeed, many were simply local residents or factory workers who played for love of the game, pride in their community, and a little extra money on autumn weekends. In the end, each case has to be assessed, honestly and fairly, on its merits. Cbl62 (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:Bill Baumgartner.jpg[edit]

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You'd be advised to go back and tear out the non-free file rationale and redeclare this as {{PD-US-not renewed}}
— all these old newspapers copyrighted their stuff for 25 years and then never renewed it because why would they???

Check stuff with the Stanford Copyright Renewal database < https://exhibits.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals?forward=home > and include a link for the null result of your search in the upload link. No problems that way, plus you won't have to gut out the resolution to meet WP's weak fair use file policy. Hope this helps. —tim /// Carrite (talk) 00:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Concern regarding Draft:Samuel M'Pemba[edit]

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Nice work[edit]

The Original Barnstar
I'm not sure if I've barnstarred you before for your excellent work on Early NFL biographies, but I'll do it again even if I have because excellent work is excellent. Keep it up! Carrite (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:Paul Crowe.jpg[edit]

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Junior college standings templates[edit]

I've started building out SoCal junior college football standings templates. Also created Metropolitan Conference (California). Keep the standings templates in mind if and when you create more JC perfect season articles. Looks like Compton had one in 1955; see Template:1955 Western State Conference football standings. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Are these the same person?[edit]

Is Harold Grant a former head football coach at the College of Emporia around 1923, the same Harold Grant that was the basketball coach at Oklahoma Baptist in 1922? UCO2009bluejay (talk) 02:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TFA[edit]

Thank you today for Bob Mann (American football), introduced (in 2020): "Bob Mann was an American football player in the late 1940s and early 1950s. He was a star end (wide receiver in today's terminology) for the University of Michigan, where he teamed up with future Hall of Famer Len Ford to form a dynamic pass-catching duo. He entered the NFL with the Detroit Lions, where he played for two seasons. After a salary dispute, he was released and signed with the New York Yanks (not to be confused with the baseball team), although he never played for the team in the regular season. After being released by the Yanks, he claimed NFL owners blackballed him by all agreeing to not sign him. After a few months, the Green Bay Packers signed Mann, where he would play parts of five seasons until a knee injury ended his career. Mann would go on to become a lawyer in the Detroit area until he died in 2006. The quick overview above would make it seem like Mann was just another college football star who played in the NFL for a few seasons before professional football became what it is today. However, Mann's legacy goes far and above his statistics and physical abilities. Mann was a black player in football during a time of great racial prejudices. He broke the color barrier for both the Lions and Packers, he was cut by the Lions for not taking a pay cut (and possibly for supporting a boycott by the black community of a beer that he was a spokesperson for), even though he led the NFL in receiving yards the prior season. He was (arguably) blackballed by the NFL for his race and for not agreeing to take the pay cut from the Lions. Then he played for Green Bay, a town at the time that had only a handful of black residents. He has been called a pioneer for the dignified way he handled himself is such difficult situations."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fun to see this on the main page today Cbl62, good collab! :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: Agree 100%. Cbl62 (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1969 junior college football season[edit]

Kicked off an article for 1969 junior college football season. Let me know if you have thoughts. Right now Junior college football redirects to List of community college football programs. I think it should probably be blown out into its own article. There is some discussion of junior college football at College football. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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