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Soni or OS

Your title is inappropriate. I feel if you want to change the name of this page again, acceptable choices would include Nirbhaya case or Nirbhaya murder. You could also include Delhi. I don't know why you have this adamancy; it is highly inapposite. Justanother2 (talk) 12:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Justanother2: Wikipedia has set policies for how titles are decided. The most relevant one here would be WP:BLPCRIME and Wikipedia:Article_titles for all five articles you moved. Inappropriateness has nothing to do with anything, as long as it is neutral, descriptive and recognisable (Aka following the policies I just mentioned).

Other than that, one user does not do everything on Wikipedia, and when discussions happen, many people give their thoughts based on policy and then one is chosen. That's already been done for the Nirbhaya article, and many editors together decided on the title we have now. If you have a problem with it, start a new discussion on the article talk pages Soni (talk) 12:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You have been creating errors. You don't understand some simple things. The words "Nirbhaya case" were and have been most often used. You are erroneous in how you state things and also in your choices of editing.Justanother2 (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Justanother2 Bring this up on either Talk:2012 Delhi gang rape and murder or Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Multiple_BLPCRIME_article_moves, like I've already told you to. This is how Wikipedia works. People discuss, then decide what is based on policy. If you keep making moves without the discussion, you will be banned soon. Soni (talk) 12:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Although you could be wrong, inappropriate, etc. you expect people to accommodate you. You have basic misunderstandings happening and evidently you don't want to learn.Justanother2 (talk) 19:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Justanother2 There is no accomodation here. You edit wikipedia, you follow the policies of the website. I have no personal stake in the articles you moved, and am happy to move them myself... If there's consensus. If you do not understand WP:CONSENSUS, you should not be editing here. Soni (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Do not question my expertise, go look at the protests article I just edited. You may feel you know about journalism; you could be wrong. You're not following basic stuff.Justanother2 (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Justanother2: I do not know about journalism, that is correct. And your edits are mostly good. You just need to understand that Wikipedia is not journalism and so has different rules. Not everything is the same, and learning the new rules here is part of editing articles. That's why I recommend you read WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS two of our most important policies Soni (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

If you understand that you are wrong about "different rules" and journalism will you change? You are completely in error.Justanother2 (talk) 22:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Justanother2 I am always willing to learn. But what I learn needs to be relevant to the matter at hand. You do good copyediting work. You just need to understand the rules under which the other edits are done. I do not write a lot of content. I am happy to learn more about that or about journalistic principles, same as you should be willing to learn about Wikipedia rules and policies. Soni (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding article Nepal Farmers Association

I am sorry to hear that I have violated wiki policy. Actually I was about to edit it soon. I hope the action can be resolved by putting content of temp article to the current article.Franked2004 (talk) 16:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Franked2004. So I actually made a mistake when putting the tag on your article. I asked an admin and fixed it. So the content should look like normal for you. There's something else an admin needs to do for deleting, they'll do it soon.

Basically anytime you add anything to an article, make sure you're not direct copy-pasting anything whenever possible. You should try and write it in your own words. See Wikipedia:COPYVIO for the complete explanation of the full policy. Does that make sense? Soni (talk) 07:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

thanks

See User talk:Isaacl/Archive 3 § For the record. I appreciate the thought! isaacl (talk) 01:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

@Isaacl I did. But two years is a long time, and I was hoping you'd had time to reconsider. For the record, I think you have the chops to pass RFA, though someone more experienced than me can tell better. I would claim being experienced and involved in multiple Wiki domains is enough for someone to pass muster, but you never know until someone digs in, yanno?

Should I canvass a bunch of folks into trying to convince you, hmmmmm. Soni (talk) 01:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Like I said then, I can only think of only one criterion that I would pass. My contributions just don't match the profile that commenters are looking for, and in my view that's perfectly reasonable from their standpoint. But perhaps even more importantly, those tasks don't interest me. I do sincerely appreciate the vote of confidence, though! isaacl (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Understandable. Though I have to say, those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. Or something like that. Soni (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

BLPN and Bob Morley

I did not mean to put you on the spot. You were not just bold but correct in removing the contentious information and wait for discussion. Now we are trying to figure out how much to include because of those sources. Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

@Morbidthoughts Oh no, I don't mind. I just actively know when I've hit the limits of "What I know well" and "Where I'm a bit out of my depth". BLP happens to be one of those topics I am still learning and relearning much about.

Better to acknowledge my limits than be boldly wrong without knowing. So I was trying to phrase "I dont know, but someone please tell me so I can learn", in a roundabout fashion. Soni (talk) 08:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni Done, thank you. I generally have VPP on my watchlist and would have soon commented anyway, but the notification is still appreciated. Soni (talk) 02:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, some people don't though, and the policy for this type of notification is that you have to leave a neutral notification for everyone otherwise it is canvassing. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Zaza9147 (17:00, 23 May 2023)

Hi Soni, I wanted to add another person's image with a CC-BY-SA licence and I've been told the correct attribution, but reading all the rules here and on the alternative route via wikimedia it seems that's maybe not allowed? I can take a photo myself easily enough, but it won't be as good (as I'm not as good a photographer). Which is the best route? --Zaza9147 (talk) 17:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Zaza9147,

By default, the person who holds the license for any image is the photographer (Unless they explicitly give the copyright to someone else). And the policies on Wikimedia Commons require the photo to be at least CC-by-SA or similar. This requires the copyright holder to themselves release the photo under that license.

Copyright holders can usually either upload the photo to commons themselves, or send an email to VRT similarly releasing the copyright. Those are generally the ways to upload any photo here unless it explicitly falls under Fair Use (I don't think yours does).

Hope this helps, please feel free to ping me again if you have any other questions Soni (talk) 00:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Soni. The photos are explicitly marked as CC-BY-SA at the site where it's used (geograph). This is an example (not one I want to use, just the first I found https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/7467578 on that site). There's an explicit copyright statement in the name of the photographer and release with this licence at the bottom of the image. Perhaps the proof of this licensing statement is too vague for wikipedia these days and requires the photographer to assert such directly to wikipedia? Is that right? Zaza9147 (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Zaza9147 That proof is enough. I was not sure if you meant the photo was already under CC-by-SA or not. As long as the photo you want has a similar license at the bottom of the geograph page, you're good to upload it to Commons as is.

I would recommend using the Geograph template when you upload the file, it's the best way to attribute the photo while uploading. See the usage section for the exact template parameters to use. Soni (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Soni: That's great, thank you for the confirmation and for helping me navigate this! Zaza9147 (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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Question from CoderSindru on User:CoderSindru (17:55, 15 June 2023)

How to add my village information --CoderSindru (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@CoderSindru What village is that? And what page do you want the information about it on?

If the village page does not exist, it needs to follow the Wikipedia guidelines for notability (WP:NPLACE for places). If the page already exists, then information about it can be added to the page, as long as it's verifiable (WP:42) Soni (talk) 19:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Dear. --Qewlie MuSk (talk) 13:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I watch a comment you did on redit and you seem to have an honest interest in making Wikipedia better. I tried to deleted a wrong information from a wiki page but someone is always putting it back. That’s an activist in France that has been receiving a lot of hate from the trans community. While some can insult and attack others can’t even make a question about this subject. I noticed that someone added a movement to her page, TERF, and that’s not even a movement. It’s a insult someone gets when you disagreeing about terminology or just not playing by the rules that part of the trans community has determined. I would like to know how can one remove false and defamatory information without being constantly overruled. Thanks and have a nice day Maggie Green Yyy (talk) 13:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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username confusion

hi, Soni! regarding the issue you have raised at the current rfa, i thought i might suggest some custom css code that might help you out. if you add the code below to your common.css file, you should be able to add a custom note after links to theleekycauldron's user page, such as the one in her signature.

a[href="/wiki/User:Theleekycauldron"]::after {content: " [your note here]";}

note, of course, that "[your note here]" should be replaced with your custom note.

please let me know if this helps, or if it doesn't work for you. thanks in advance! dying (talk) 03:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

@Dying That does help, thank you. It's a shame that this needs me to edit common.css for every user/my notes are effectively public, but this does solve the issue I wanted. Thanks! Soni (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

oh! apologies, i had figured that this would be a sufficient solution because you had stated that you only wanted to add some custom colors for two to three editors. however, if you don't want to keep your notes open, i think some browsers allow users to keep a custom css file offline that gets applied to any site a user visits. for example, i believe firefox allows users to edit a file named "userChrome.css" to customize their interface, and safari allows users to select any css file through their advanced preferences. alternatively, if you don't want to go through that trouble, you can just use neutral notes. for example, "[dyk]" might be an appropriate note for theleekycauldron, and "[not dyk]" for Leaky caldron.

by the way, in case you are unable to read the room, my guess is that the reason why people have responded to your concern in the general comments section of the rfa is because they are suggesting that you strike your question. i believe the current standard at rfa is to ask a question only if it will have a bearing on your !vote, to avoid needlessly exacerbating an already stressful process. we already have an issue with trying to find enough editors willing to go through the gauntlet that is rfa. can you imagine how many more people would be dissuaded from the process if they thought they might be pressured into changing their username as well?

anyway, if you need any other help resolving your issue, please let me know. thanks! dying (talk) 18:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the browser tip. I'll figure out how to hack away at my Chromium.

by the way, in case you are unable to read the room, my guess is that the reason why people have responded to your concern in the general comments section of the rfa is because they are suggesting that you strike your question.

I have not heard anyone suggest that, so it's impossible for me to guess what people think unless someone requests so. Now that you have suggested, I think it's kinda moot. The question was already answered, and the General Discussion was enough to settle it for me/explain why it wasn't as clear cut as I expected.

Your logic (to ask a question only if it will have a bearing on your !vote) makes sense, though that is not a standard I was aware of. I get it and agree (People should not make RFA tougher) but don't necessarily agree with the how many more people would be dissuaded from the process if they thought they might be pressured into changing their username as well argument. It feels both like a slippery slope, and forgets that editing customs are a sprawling mess that sometimes people cannot know everything from the get go.

Specifically, I remember an RFA (I cannot offhand recall which) I read from a couple(?) years back where an editor had an unfortunate(?) username, was requested to change it, and did, mid-RFA (to something similar). I remember it succeeding. From my POV, I had no way of being sure if this situation was analogous, something stronger, or something weaker. As it turns out from other editors' examples (Barkeep/Barkeep49) it was weaker, and therefore less of a concern than I expected. But I think asking editors to swing all the way to the other side and never asking questions that might be awkward is... a bit too much. I think it's way more important to ask important questions, and then back out respectfully if they turn out to be less important than you thought.

Hope that explains my logic! I would recommend starting an WT:RFA discussion to change some wording on RFA templates to make it clearer that questions only should be asked if that might result in changing your vote. Unwritten rules like this one are often cause for lots of confusion, and it'd save multiple people from spent time working around any faux pas that happen. Soni (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

the standard is written at wp:rfqa, which is linked to near the top of the wp:rfa page, with the link text "Advice for asking questions at RfA". i understand that not everyone is going to spend the time to do the research regarding what is considered an appropriate question to ask at an rfa before posing one themselves, which is why i thought i might bring this standard to your attention, in case you had not been previously aware. i am assuming that such details aren't in the editnotice to minimize banner blindness, but if you think it would have helped you before you posed your question, i think it would be a good idea to start a discussion at wt:rfa to help others avoid the same faux pas.

i don't think the issue of you having raised the question is moot now, as you have decided to raise a follow-up question. if it wasn't clear, what i thought the others were suggesting is for you to strike your follow-up question, not your original one. my guess is that the regulars at rfa didn't really react to your original question because they figured that it came from someone that may not have had that much experience asking questions at rfa. (i recognize that you have successfully asked another candidate to change his username in an earlier rfa, here, but i believe that situation was different because the candidate had used cyrillic script in his username, which may cause issues with people on en wikipedia wishing to contact the candidate.) however, after you had posed your follow-up question, i believe people started addressing your concern directly because they had felt that the follow-up question was uncalled for, and didn't know if you had any plans to stop pressuring the candidate into changing her username.

i am not sure if the rfa from maybe a couple years back that you cannot recall is the rfa for Moneytrees (formerly known as "Money emoji"), but in that case, i believe there was only significant pressure to change the signature. there was a question about whether or not the candidate regretted picking that username, but in that case, the candidate had already been considering a change of username anyway.

i am admittedly confused by your assertion that you think it is "important to ask important questions, and then back out respectfully if they turn out to be less important than you thought". to me, it looks like you have acknowledged that the issue is "less important than you thought", but i don't think you have successfully "back[ed] out respectfully". am i misunderstanding something here? to be clear, i also agree that "asking editors to swing all the way to the other side and never asking questions that might be awkward" would be asking too much, and i think that is also why no one alerted you to your faux pas when you asked your original question.

in any case, i recognize that sometimes it's difficult for me to read the room, and have often been thankful to those that point out something that i might have been oblivious to, which is why i thought i might help you out in case you were having difficulty understanding this situation yourself. i don't know if you realize, but i think you may be attracting off-wiki criticism for your follow-up question as well. of course, asking such questions is well within your right as an editor, so i have no intention of stopping you from doing so. i just wanted to make sure that you understood what others thought of your actions, as, had i been in a similar position, i would have appreciated someone else reaching out to me to confirm that i was aware of what i was doing, just in case i wasn't. if you were indeed previously aware of what you were doing, then i apologize for bothering you regarding this issue. dying (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

I do not believe the WP:RFQA is as well published as I'd like. Even after you telling me where it is, I cannot find it anywhere on the WP:RFA page without attempting a search on the page. I think that, assuming it's a widely supported stance (I cannot tell with it being an essay but also linked from RFA page), it should be shown more prominently in RFA templates.

And that makes sense. (The follow up bits). I personally did not see it as pressuring, but I see your POV. I have strucken thruogh the question, accordingly. It came more from a place of genuine confusion than force the candidate. I've had similar trouble elsewhere (not being certain what people mean when using vague words, so to speak).

Thank you for informing me about reading the room, that was not intentional on my behalf. That said, I do not care about any off-wiki criticisms, those may happen regardless of merit. It's impossible for me to meet standards or conversations I am unaware of, so I plan to act normally unless informed directly otherwise.

Thanks again.

Soni (talk) 00:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Lovemagichistory (21:37, 24 August 2023)

Awesome! Thank you so much, Soni! --Lovemagichistory (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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How do i add an article --Compton267 (talk) 11:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Compton267: Hello.

WP:1ST contains a good list of instructions for things you need to make a new article. Wikipedia:Article_wizard is also pretty helpful!

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@Omotecho

Thanks for that info. I am trying to read the pages associated with this, and I cannot find any mention of it anywhere. I am trying to read the main Campaigns team page or a couple pages in there, and I still am unclear what is going on. I do not think any project like this can succeed in a wiki culture unless its information is open, public and clear. I do not know if I'm missing an important meta page, or the tool itself does not have one, but that's not clear enough for me to understand, support or join. I hope the Campaigns team tries to rectify this before the pitches go out to actual users.

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Can you please fix the formatting you have introduced in The Planets article, and get rid of the large white space you have imposed between Mars and Venus? Tim riley talk 14:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I prefer having article talk discussions on the article talk. If you have a specific formatting problem with the article, please tell that there, I'll try to figure out how to fix it.

As of now, I genuinely do not know what you believe is wrong, because text formats differently on different devices, so my screen width finds this perfectly fine. I have seen Template:clear used for this often enough. Best I can tell, it's just a different device issue. Soni (talk) 14:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
• Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
• Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
• Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
• Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
• Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
• Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
• Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
• Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
• Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
• Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
• Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
• Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
• Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
• Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
• Proposal 28, initiated by HouseBlaster, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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