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[ATTENTION, please.] RD: T. Mohandas Pai

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Article: T. Mohandas Pai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian philanthropist and business executive. Article is a start-class biography but just meets minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is a brand new article with only 305 words of prose and just long enough to qualify. Coverage of the subject's life seems a little thin, but okay. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig did not find any problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. However, it would benefit from an expansion on "his contributions to the development of the city of Manipal" so that readers would appreciate why he was "referred to as the 'architect of modern Manipal'." --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai: thanks for this note. Did my best by adding some additional content. Please have a look when you have a moment. Not stellar but beets minimum expectations imo. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, @Ktin, for the additional materials. Looking good. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mo Ostin

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Article: Mo Ostin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Associated Press; The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[ATTENTION, please.] RD: Khalid Ibrahim

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Article: Khalid Ibrahim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Malaysiakini
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Of OK length with adequate references, though article hasn't yet elaborate cause of death. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality Unfortunately, references are not clear and proper, as there are several parts of the article that isn't supported within the references listed. Elaborate cause of death isn't necessary for RD, which shows in Bill Russell. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Time to look at this nom again? This wikibio has grown quite a bit, with sourcing also augmented, the past few days. The first paragraph of the Early life and career section needs footnotes. The rest of the wikipage looks better and may be due for a re-review. --PFHLai (talk) 16:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD: Nichelle Nichols

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Article: Nichelle Nichols (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, Variety, AP
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She lived long and prospered. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support someone opened the hailing frequencies, and it looks like the needed citations are beaming into the article as we speak. 🖖 Imzadi 1979  20:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to add, her groundbreaking nature would support a blurb, IMHO. Imzadi 1979  20:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - More sources are being added, article looks in good shape Funcrunch (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I love Star Trek so I am biased, and I'm probably the only one who thinks so, but there might be an argument for a blurb here. She was groundbreaking in television. Was she the most famous, even just among the cast, no, but she has influenced many. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You're not the only one; I would also support a blurb. Funcrunch (talk) 20:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think she could deserve a blurb due to the groundbreaking & influential nature of her role as Uhura, but it isn’t a slam dunk. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support When it's ready, I would mind a blurb. She was groundbreaking for black women on the screen, and seeing articles and condolences flooding in from all over the world, I'd say she was definitely well known. --cart-Talk 20:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. Although a good actress with a wider impact, I wouldn’t say she is blurb-worthy. She didn’t break new ground or radically change things - this feels a bit more like Carrie Fisher, where the fan vote overtakes the guidelines. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This part of the intro to her article sounds groundbreaking to me:

    Nichols' portrayal of Uhura was ground-breaking for African American actresses on American television. From 1977 until 2015, Nichols volunteered her time to promote NASA's programs, and to recruit diverse astronauts, including women and ethnic minorities.

    Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Apparently Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought her work was groundbreaking, as he personally convinced her not to quit the series. From her article:

    King personally encouraged her to stay on the series, saying she "could not give up" because she was playing a vital role model for Black children and young women across the country, as well as for other children who would see Black people appearing as equals, going so far as to favorably compare her work on the series to the marches of the ongoing civil rights movement.

    IMO that supports a blurb. 71.11.8.34 (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD I'm bearish on blurbing Russell, and clearly Nichols is far below him in significance (no disrespect, I like Star Trek much more than basketball). Anyway, the article looks in posting condition to me. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
YES! What has gone wrong with Wikipedia. I heard of her death on TV Network Eening News and came here expecting to see announcement, etc. I know its a Sunday afternoon in summer but... 2600:1700:1FFC:0:F97B:8D83:D9D9:8C98 (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose several entries (some of which don't even have links to articles) in the latter tables are unreferenced. This is a bit silly when we know we need these claims to be referenced that anyone would support at this time. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Had a look now. Couldn't track down anything usable for Surge of Dawn (which appears to be a truly Z-tier movie) and Star Trek Adventure (a vague theme park ride with several incarnations). If they're a barrier to posting and no one else finds anything, they should be taken out. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I can't find sources for those either. WP:ITN says Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. This is not contentious, and leaving it with a cn tag should not prevent posting. Commenting it out is another option. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD A couple fairly trivial cites missing. Not enough to hold up posting. [Very sad news. I am feeling my age right now. Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted RD. Please feel free to continue with the discussion on blurbing. --PFHLai (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Age Blurb If there's something to be said of how Nichelle Nichols' death is a milestone in black or television history, say that instead. Her influence hasn't changed from when she was alive at 88, 84 or whatever retirement year. Explain the significance of her death and consider me Supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • If we were going to post a death blurb for a Star Trek TOS cast member, I can't help thinking we missed the boat when we didn't post Nimoy. —Cryptic 21:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final

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Article: UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, UEFA Women's Euro 2022 ends with England defeating Germany in the final (player of the match Keira Walsh pictured). (Post)
Credits:
Article updated

 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:9042:BDFD:A150:352E (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support - Article looks fine, but it is not on ITN/R and we already have a lot of other football tournaments there, that being said Women's sports is underrepresented and the mens tournament is in ITN/R.🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

just wanted to state that the blurb should link to the final instead of the tournament, at least in its current condition. The Tournament page suffers from the standard issues of Sport tournament pages (table overload and lack of prose/match overviews). 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - reworded blurb to link to the article on the final (as we do for other tournaments) Smurrayinchester 19:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I would argue that, going forward, WEURO should also be ITNR; as 4iamking mentions, women's sports is underrepresented at ITNR for its increasing popularity. Sceptre (talk) 19:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Suggestion - If this gets posted with a picture, take the crest of the three lionesses (england womans football team) instead of the wembley-photo - as this blurb is about an england national football team winning an international tournament. offtopic: I wonder if the IP, that suggested this news, would have done it, if germany had won the tournament. anyway, congratulations! --LennBr (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even if this was biased suggesting, it would have been suggested eventually, it's still a big tournament. CaptainGalaxy 20:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I probably would have listed Germany’s victory, but not as quickly and not as happily! If the Wembley picture doesn’t suit, File:Keira Walsh (cropped).jpg is an image of the player of the match, which would suit well. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some of them like Copa whatever and Bungholefister have never actually been posted. Those national tournaments need to come down, except maybe the EPL. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the fact that "Bungholefister" is actually a major competition in the world's most popular sport. In any case, the argument that being a national tournament disqualifies football leagues from being posted is pretty trivial when we post American college basketball (which I'm pretty sure nobody outside the States watches) and the Boat Race (which I'm not sure anybody in the UK watches). AryKun (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
COLLEGE BASKETBALL KLAXXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --LaserLegs (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Be honest with me, does anybody really care about Women's March Madness? I can see why the men's tournament is ITNR, of course, but the women's tournament isn't even the most popular women's basketball tournament in the US.
Also, for what it's worth, the fact that you immediately went to xenophobic homophobia without any sort of prompting means that you're in serious need of maturing a little. Just my two cents. Sceptre (talk) 17:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"xenophobic homophobia"? WTF are you talking about? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no match summary (reading soccer is even worse than watching it but people who care will want to) then easy support. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are citations tags all over the "aftermath" section. There is no summary of the game's events. Does it even mention that the German captain Alexandra Popp was injured in the warm-up? I don't think it does. She is mentioned in the last sentence before "Match" and then... what happened to her? She's vanished. Not in the team. It's only because I heard this elsewhere that I know about it. Shouldn't the readers know?
Also, this is a recurring event that is not listed on the Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items. Gotitbro's comment suggests this would be the 12th of its type. But is that all? There are other regional tournaments. England play Brazil in the UEFA–CONMEBOL Women's Finalissima (says UEFA Women's Euro 2022). This is because Brazil just won the 2022 Copa América Femenina Final (which has a better match summary than the Euro final). Then there is the 2022 Women's Africa Cup of Nations... the 2022 CONCACAF W Championship... the 2022 AFC Women's Asian Cup ("the oldest women's international football competition"). Are they all going to be included at ITNR? Please state how this one is more important than the Copa América Femenina. Since the winners qualify to play each other? Are there going to be 16 recurring items of this type in the future?
I would prefer to support 4iamking's proposal to include the women's version of every tournament listed at ITNR. There's no point adding more for the same sport. There are a lot of events missing in other sports, e.g. the World Women's Snooker Championship, the AFL Women's Grand Final. --Gaois (talk) 00:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
wasn't really a proposal, more of an observation. the only Womens's football tournament in ITN/R is the woman's World Cup, the other 10 are all male tournaments. Maybe there could be a proposal to include women sport tournament analog's to ITN/R, but this is probably a discussion for the talk page. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  01:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no requirement for something to be listed at ITN/R before it gets posted as a news item - indeed, the ITN/R listing often stems from the fact that something has gained consensus several times already. It may seem like there are a lot of football tournaments included in the regular listings, but at the end of the day it's the world's most popular sport, and the media have picked up on this, even US outlets such as NY Times.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Bill Russell

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Article: Bill Russell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American basketball player Bill Russell dies at the age of 88. (Post)
News source(s): CBS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Is a FA. Might as well tag this for potential blurb too, given the Hank Aaron similiarity Nohomersryan (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb like I did for Maradona and whatever politician died recently and I do almost every time because "old man dies unremarkable death" is exactly what RD is for. Russell will end up the box, either in a blurb or in RD what difference does it make except that the boiler plate "X dies at Y age" will push Monkeypox out of the box. It's not like he died in a helicopter crash at age 41 come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb This is the state I'd expect an article for a RD BLP that we are going to post as a blurb - besides quality there's an extensive legacy/influence section to explain why he was important and not just claims of WPians. --Masem (t) 18:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RD Only Unremarkable death... If we only got a generic burb of "Famous person X dies at Y age", its not doing anything that a RD wouldn't, and actually is exactly what RD is for. If there is a blurb it should state what about the death is significant. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  18:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RD only Agree with comments above. 88 is a good age to go! Turini2 (talk) 19:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WRT whether or not Russell deserves a blurb, what he did during his life is more important than how old he was when he died. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only – While a household name to U.S. BKB fans half a century ago, Mr. Russell reached the end of his lifespan and "died peacefully beside his wife." – Sca (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd argue he's better known today than he was in the 60s. Pro basketball is much bigger today, and Russell's legacy has been enhanced by retrospective histories. Zagalejo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. US editors: "American basketball player Bill Russell dies at the age of 88." Rest of world: "Who? So ...?". This is a global encyclopedia, not one for US sports fans. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Tour de France Femmes

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Article: 2022 Tour de France Femmes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Annemiek van Vleuten wins the 2022 Tour de France Femmes, the first since 1989. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cycling, Annemiek van Vleuten wins the 2022 Tour de France Femmes.
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major sporting event, men's event is WP:ITN/R - first official running of event since 1989. Updated and written up! Turini2 (talk) 16:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fidel V. Ramos

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Article: Fidel V. Ramos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Philippine STAR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former President of the Philippines from 1992 to 1998 — Lawrence Ruiz (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

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(Posted) RD: Mike Filey

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Article: Mike Filey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Sun
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Toronto historian, newspaper columnist and author, likely "Toronto's best known historian". Needs a couple refs but generally good to go. Floydian τ ¢ 14:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pat Carroll

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Article: Pat Carroll (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, EW, VF, Deadline, Guardian, BBC, AP, VoA
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous award-winning American actress and comedian back in the day 96.5.122.4 (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alvin Yeo

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Article: Alvin Yeo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean Member of Parliament and senior counsel. – robertsky (talk) 13:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose This article needs significant expansion. Early life? MarioJump83 (talk) 01:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A short article (416 words of prose) with about half of the prose on his legal troubles? This is not balanced coverage. He was a two-term MP, but there is no info on what he did as a candidate or as an MP, apart from the name of the party, the constituency and the start and end years. (Not to mention the lack of footnote in that paragraph!). Please expand on his political career. --PFHLai (talk) 00:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Archie Roach

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Article: Archie Roach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian Aboriginal elder and musician Canley (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Sider

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Article: Ron Sider (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A notable Christian economic justice activist. Authored "Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger." TenorTwelve (talk) 09:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kentucky floods

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Article: July 2022 United States floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Flooding in the U.S. state of Kentucky kills at least 34 people and leaves at least 37 missing. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times (paywalled), Lexington, Ky., Herald-Leader, BBC, AP
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Nominator's comments: Admittedly, the article is a bit of a mess right now - there is simultaneously a deletion discussion and a merge discussion regarding July 2022 United States floods, which includes both this and the Missouri flooding a few days earlier. There is also a user who has made four attempts so far to redirect the page while the discussions are still going on. Ionmars10 (talk) 02:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The only comment I have is that President Biden did declare a disaster area for the Kentucky floods, which is uncommon, so that should be incorporated into the blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Declaring disaster areas after storms like this is the norm, not unusual (it lets him direct FEMA funds). Masem (t) 02:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not this number of deaths, I think, though. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fortune700, just a heads up it was moved to Start Class. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Flipping to neutral on recent updates. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be making the case that this would be rare in a hypothetical world different from our own. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but note that the climate is changing quite rapidly now and that's part of the reason why this is news. But you could also argue that what's happening now was already in the news a long time ago, see here, or here, and that the issue is not really climate change but the fact that we choose to ignore the problem. So, perhaps we should focus more on news stories like this. Count Iblis (talk) 17:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support. This is greater than a “thousand year flood event”. 25 deaths is a significant number, and is not seen in the US except for once several years. Our criteria for posting United States floods, IIRC, used to be six deaths. A significant climate event with major economic repercussions. 142.127.118.145 (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
2022 Eastern Kentucky floods was start class, not a stub. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FEMA said it was at least 37 earlier today. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

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(Posted) RD: Phil Carlson

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Article: Phil Carlson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN; Cricket Australia; Queensland Cricket
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 12:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Juris Hartmanis

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Article: Juris Hartmanis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], Cornell
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering theoretical computer scientist, 1993 Turing Award co-winner 96.5.122.4 (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article needs more citations. There's a tag which has to be solved first. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioJump83: Time for a re-review, please? -- PFHLai (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: The article is now ready for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 07:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing Removal: COVID-19 pandemic

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: I feel like its time to discuss removing this for good now. Ongoing should be for articles that have a constant stream of updates (due to the event generating ongoing news coverage). The covid pandemic does not meet that bar at this point as many countries transition away from pandemic and towards endemic phases. The pandemic article thats linked on the main page has gone from getting daily updates to only receiving 24 total edits for the entirety of July so far (including edits done for maintenance and by bots), and Covid itself doesnt even make Portal:Current events on a daily basis, having been absent there the past 2 days. (the last update being on July 27 when Samoa lifed their covid state of emergency). The updates we do get on the current events portal and on Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in July 2022 has essentially dwindled to a country updating their daily case count statistics (and usually the same ones at that) or the occasional prominant person testing positive, but given the current epidemiologic position, this is really no longer all that noteable or noteworthy. If covid comes back into the news headlines in the future we can reconsider this, but right now I strongly feel its time to take this down. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  22:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support While there’s some valid arguments to retain it, for most of the world life has returned to normal and COVID is nowhere near the level of concern it once was. As stated by the nom, the lack of major updates besides case count updates and occasional prominent victims bolsters that point. The Kip (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are still increasing rates across the globe and still disrupting life and thus making headlines. I will point out that with a topic as big as COVID that it is unreasonable to expect that the main landing page will have frequent updates (the same issue with the Hong Kong and the George Floyd protests), as long as relevant pages within that hierarchy are getting updates too. --Masem (t) 22:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    its not just on the main page... the article on pandemic responses is basically barren and last month wasn't much better, the timeline is basically just a statistical update (mostly from Malaysia/New Zealand/Taiwan/Singapore) since a lot of countries have stopped reporting data as readily. For the most part the stories about covid aren't making the front page of any newspaper, with covid affecting every day life less and other events taking over. The problem is the sub-pages aren't getting the updates they once were. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  22:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. I will support it if the pandemic is over. (WP:OTHERCONTENT) HurricaneEdgar 22:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Problem is the pandemic likely won’t be declared formally over for years, even as case counts become minimal and life goes wholly back to normal. As nominative stated, HIV/AIDS is still regarded as a pandemic and we don’t list that as ongoing. Eventually, we hit a point where things are practically at an end, and for COVID we seem to to have reached that. If anything significant occurs, we can re-add/blurb it, but for now it seems unnecessary to retain. The Kip (talk) 02:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, there will be a point where we just "live" with it, but there are still new strains that are increasing rates of infection around the world, right now. We are definitely not just "living" with it yet. Masem (t) 03:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. It's still a pandemic even though many of us want it to be over. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    so is HIV/AIDS. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  22:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Is HIV/AIDS killing 10,000+ people per week worldwide? I don't think it's at the same scale. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    According to the WHO, it most certainly is, and has killed over 40 million since the start of the pandemic in 1981. For comparison covid is currently claiming about 2500 people a day, but even in march 2020 it was double this. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  08:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support like I did last time. COVID-19 is "ongoing" now the same way climate change and HIV/AIDS are ongoing. It's here forever. It's part of life. The lockdowns are mostly over, travel restrictions mostly lifted, multiple vaccines exist. Take it down, and if something monumental happens we can post a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest possible support Per LaserLegs. Also how are people still opposing this!!!!???? CR-1-AB (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    See above reason why people opposing on nomination. HurricaneEdgar 02:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    A glance through CR-1-AB's contributions seems to indicate that the account is primarily focused on pushing political views rather than contributing to an encyclopedia. WP:SOAPBOX may be a valuable read. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, you're right. Why is the anti-antifa userbox even a thing? Should probably be deleted. In answer to CR-1-AB, assuming they're not just a troll, people are opposing it because COVID-19 is still here and continuing to disrupt people's lives. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support per The Kip and LaserLegs - COVID has little to no impact on everyday life today and precautionary measures, even where they still exist, have become the norm a long time ago. EditMaker Me (talk) 06:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have a prove that COVID-19 has no Impact? In the Philippines COVID-19 cases still rising.[1]HurricaneEdgar 07:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    there is always going to be some regional variance in case count, some country may always be reporting an increase but at the end of the day its just a statistic. 4000 daily cases in a country of 100 million doesn't sound very significant (especially when you consider the country already had 3.7 million cases), and regardless global case counts aren't anything close to what they were at the height of the pandemic. Even that source says that the covid situation in every region of the Philippines is "low risk". 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  08:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal as in line with ITN policy. The criteria for ongoing state that posted stories should still be "getting regular updates to the relevant article" and that "the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information. Articles whose most recent update is older than the oldest blurb currently on ITN are usually not being updated frequently enough for ongoing status". I checked the past month and nothing significant has been added to the COVID-19 pandemic article (a minor addition on 5 July re: discrimination against unvaccinated people was the most significant change, most of the rest are changes to wording or grammar). The oldest ITN blurb is currently the Sri Lankan protests dated 20 July - Dumelow (talk) 08:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose as cases are continuing to rise, and thousands are still dying daily. Will only support removal once the WHO no longer declares it a pandemic, or if cases start dropping AND STAY LOW, which is not the case right now in much of the world. This is way too premature, as it's still very much in the news. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support If it doesnt get removed now, when will actually be removed? Nearly all global lockdowns are over, death rate has become marignal and there are only sporadic outbreaks Haris920 (talk) 09:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - COVID is not over. And on the rise again, it might not be the main topic of conversation anymore, but to say that COVID is not ongoing anymore is simply incorrect. It should remain in the Ongoing section.BabbaQ (talk) 09:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That covid is over is not the argument, there are specific criteria for an article to be listed in ongoing and these go beyond it merely happening. There are many other ongoing events that do not get posted to this section. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose People are still getting infected and dying. It's still in the news. It's still a global problem. -TenorTwelve (talk) 09:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment per the guidelines Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information." -- opposes above based solely on "it's still happening" without factoring in the actual WP:ITN criteria should be discarded for the purpose of evaluating consensus. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:03, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - At this current point in time, monkeypox is making more news headlines than COVID, by far. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 11:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, It is still ongoing and there is no turning point to be in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose eventually it will have to be removed, but now is not the time. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Very much still ongoing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) War crimes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Article: War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: As the prisoner exchange in Donbas has been highly reported, I think it should be added to ITN
  • Comment - Nominator has been informed that additional information is required on his talk page for the ITN nomination to be valid/complete, and has been requested to return to the nomination to complete the required fields. Carter00000 (talk) 18:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A topic best left to the International Criminal Court ... someday? -- Sca (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seemed like a good faith first time nomination by a new account, so wanted to give the chance to complete the nomination, prior to discussion on if the item should actually be posted. Carter00000 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing: 2022 Monkeypox outbreak

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Article: 2022 monkeypox outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Since WHO has declared it as a global health emergency, so it should be listed in the ongoing section. I think death should not be the only factor of deciding.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the current PHEIC blurb rolls off. Ionmars10 (talk) 06:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it has accumulated over 21000 cases and it is very notable CoolCat1974382 (talk) 09:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - once it rolls off ITN... its constantly in the news. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not much. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Monkeypox is on the current events portal on a daily basis right now, that should determine the basis of ongoing coverage for something going into ongoing. You can't even say that for Covid which we have listed for ongoing yet at this point hasn't had anything new in the portal for 2 days. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  21:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing While it is obviously worrying, it doesn't warrant ongoing just because WHO has declared it a global health emergency. As far as I recall, the Zika virus epidemic also wasn't posted to ongoing. That said, if it continues to be in the news, it might be warranted to post it to ongoing. Gust Justice (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Researchers using AlphaFold have predicted the structures of 200 million proteins from 1 million species, covering nearly every known protein on the planet. (Nature)

(Posted) RD: William White (American football)

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Article: William White (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL.com; The Detroit News; Ohio State University
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Wayne Hawkins

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Article: Wayne Hawkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:20, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Terry Neill

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Article: Terry Neill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Arsenal and Northern Ireland footballer. Article needs some work. Black Kite (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Commonwealth Games

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Article: 2022 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Commonwealth Games begins in Birmingham, UK (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Commonwealth Games (Perry the mascot pictured with its creator) begins in Birmingham, UK
News source(s): BBC, BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Opening ceremony takes place tonight, followed by 10 days of sport. Hopefully I've edited this correctly... StevePearce48 (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose as too soon and therefore factually incorrect. The Games hasn't yet begun, so should not be nominated yet. Also, don't we usually post the opening ceremony article anyway? And "Concerns and controversies" section is unsourced, there are blank sections that just point to other articles (which is not correct way to do sections), so article needs a cleanup, and does not meet article quality standards. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me, User:Joseph2302 that this oppose is a bit overfastidious given you posted a few minutes before the gates opened for the opening ceremony, with people already in the stadium! I don't see a big deal about posting a few hours early, given how long these things seem to get posted. Will you now removed your objection? Nfitz (talk) 01:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've dealt with most of the tags. One that has been semi-left is the uncited section on concerns and controversies, which I commented out for an unrelated reason (content fork, discussion open at the talkpage). I couldn't comment on if it should be posted to main page until this is resolved. Kingsif (talk) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Queen's Baton Relay in New Zealand
  • The Tour de France finished on 24 July but we are still having that hook pictured. Is it time to move on? I've had a look and the 2022 Luzon earthquake has no good photos yet. Hence, the 2022 Commonwealth Games is the logical candidate. The photo showing the mascot shown above is ok. Another ok photo is the Queen's Baton Relay photo added to this thread. Schwede66 04:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Cribbins

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Article: Bernard Cribbins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Belfast Telegraph
Credits:
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs some more sourcing, but hopefully listing it here will get it more visibility for finding updaters. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere.
You're digging it round and it ought to be square.
The shape of it's wrong, it's much too long,
And you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong.
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think it’s worth saying somewhere that Bernard was arguably the UK’s Betty White and, were he American, this would be a blurb proposal. Humbledaisy (talk)
POV. – Sca (talk) 12:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Valid point though, when that was a pro-US POV posting... Joseph2302 (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Top read This was the most read article on Wikipedia yesterday. Meanwhile at ITN,
We was getting nowhere
And so we had a cuppa tea and
"Right!" said Fred, "Have to take the feet off
To get them feet off wouldn't take a mo..."
Andrew🐉(talk) 07:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If this was "the most read article on Wikipedia yesterday", then clearly rushing to promote it on ITN isn't needed since it's been found by those who want to read it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The reason to rush is that, when famous people die, there is a huge spike in readership of their articles due to the news coverage. RD at ITN therefore has no useful function as a gatekeeper. It should post entries for such people in a timely fashion so that editors who read the main page are getting up-to-date information rather than stale news. If they are active editors they will then be able to help improve the article while the public is still reading it. "Strike while the iron is hot". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Mick Moloney

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Article: Mick Moloney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; National Endowment for the Arts
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Larry Josephson

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Article: Larry Josephson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 06:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christopher Meyer

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Article: Christopher Meyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Sky News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British diplomat, was ambassador to the United States from 1997 to 2003. Needs sourcing. Sourcing problems fixed. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Luzon earthquake

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Article: 2022 Luzon earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 7.0 magnitude earthquake strikes Luzon, Philippines, killing at least 10 and injuring at least 320. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 7.0 magnitude earthquake strikes Luzon, Philippines, causing widespread destruction
News source(s): NDRRMC, The New York Times, Philstar Inquirer, France 24 (AFP), DW, PNA
Credits:

 HurricaneEdgar 03:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Alice

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Article: Mary Alice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, NPR
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tony award winning actress Thriley (talk) 21:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Baghdad Green Zone & Iraqi parliament storming

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Article: 2022 Iraqi political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Supporters of Muqtada al-Sadr storm Baghdad's Green Zone and the Iraqi parliament. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, AP, Wall Street Journal, ABC Australia
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Not sure on the article, the political crisis is probably best but it needs work. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  22:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 Missouri floods

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Article: 2022 Missouri floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Ongoing event from July 24– present, it is a notable event with tons of articles; an ITN listing will help other editors will make the article better. it was also in the Portal:Current events/2022 July 26Cabin1342302 (talk) 18:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • LOL this is what anti-American bias looks like. "I'm outraged because didn't post the weather thing in Europe" - "we did post the weather thing in Europe" - "oh, well, we STILL can't post this because it's not notable". Pure comedy. It took a few seconds to find, but we posted some random floods in India in 2021 with 3 supports in about 9 hours but I guess because America actually enforces building codes and doesn't have scores of deaths it doesn't matter right? FFS. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Did we not just have a talk page discussion about civility and handling of news items? This attitude is not helping at all. Masem (t) 00:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Opening with a doom prophecy instead of a Support sure helped ensure a rough road ahead. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh the anti-America hatred and dismissiveness would have come out with or without me. Any minute now someone is going to come by barking about gun violence then an admin will supervote "snow" close. You can call me an ass for saying it out loud, but you can't tell me I'm wrong we all know it's true. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Wet" storms (floods, tornados, hurricanes) are common events in the US at this time of year. Unless we're talking the devastation like that of Hurricane Katrina, limited flooding like this is not really ITN significant. --Masem (t) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2022 Gujarat toxic liquor deaths

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Article: 2022 Gujarat toxic liquor deaths (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: 42 people dead and more than 97 hospitalized after consuming methanol sold as illicit liquor in Gujarat, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 42 people die and more than 97 are hospitalized after consuming methanol sold as illicit liquor in Gujarat, India.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, ABC, Hindu
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Start class, developing tragedy Venkat TL (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Kip, Jayron32, I have updated and expanded further. Venkat TL (talk) 17:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(READY) Tunisian constitutional referendum

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Article: 2022 Tunisian constitutional referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tunisia approves a new constitutional referendum (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amid a political crisis, Tunesians approve a constitutional referendum which greatly increases president Kais Saied's powers and was widely boycotted by the opposition.
Alternative blurb II: In a referendum, voters in Tunisia approve a new constitution, amidst a political crisis and an opposition boycott.
News source(s): France24, The Guardian, BBC, NY Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Referendum marked by a low turnout. The results limit the role of the parliament and expands the president's powers. The blurb can be changed accordingly. NoonIcarus (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Major political change for the country 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  13:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Voter turnout put at about 30 percent. – Sca (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but not ready. A new constitution is definitely important enough to merit a blurb. The article is generally in good shape, but needs at least a referenced paragraph of prose on the outcome - even the 'reactions' section is all people expressing opinions on holding the referendum, not responding to the results. The blurb is also tricky - the original proposal makes it sound like they've just approved holding the referendum, not the new constitution, while alt1 is too long. I've added alt2. Modest Genius talk 13:44, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are now four sentences of reaction. That's not great, but just about acceptable. Modest Genius talk 10:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been substantially improved over recent days. Looks good to me. The only opposes were on article quality grounds, so I'm marking ready. Modest Genius talk 14:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support- Important event 88.230.0.176 (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note only edit Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support-Important Event CoolCat1974382 (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note only 6 edits Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)·[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Visit by Pope Francis to Canada

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Article: Visit by Pope Francis to Canada (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Ongoing event from July 24–29, updated daily by me; perhaps an ITN listing will encourage other interested editors to join in as well. Yeeno (talk) 02:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed): Visit by Pope Francis to Canada

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  • Comment — The Pope's visit to Canada is not particularly notable, although the events surrounding it, such as the Pope's apology on the Catholic Church's role in administering many of the residential schools in Canada, is notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support adding as ITN, not Ongoing Event. Per ElijahPepe, events related to the visit is notable, involving a significant portion of Canadian history. Carter00000 (talk) 03:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Amended to support for ITN as event is fairly short term to be placed in ongoing events.
  • Support An unprecedented show of compassion, understanding and regret in a centuries-old conflict, article seems in good hands, a known duration. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The Pope visits foreign countries all the time and makes front page news wherever he goes. Did we run his speech to a joint session of the United States Congress? Thriley (talk) 03:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We already opted not to include the apology that was made a few months ago, this is just an extension of that. Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/April_2022#(Closed)_Pope_Francis_apologizes_for_the_Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system. Unless there is actual change or resources like billions of dollars, this is just the usual expectations of diplomacy. --Masem (t) 04:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Most opposes were based on a lack of action. Touring Canada is an action. I doubt you'll see how it's significant still, but others may have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing but support a normal ITN mention "Pope francis visits Canada and apologises for ___". EditMaker Me (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ITN, oppose ongoing This is a significant event with historical ramifications both for Indigenous Peoples, the Roman Catholic Church, and the Papacy of Pope Francis. Ongoing is supposed to be things that are in the news long-term and develop continually, such as Covid or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
  • Oppose ongoing, support ITN only if the focus is on the apology per EditMaker Me.Polyamorph (talk) 07:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, I'm alright with the article run on ITN, but if we focus on the apology then it would benefit readers if the page described the varied reactions to it. I haven't gotten to that yet as I've just been making daily updates, though anyone is welcome to start on a new section or paragraph. Yeeno (talk) 08:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You are going to have to make the changes in the article first before nominating an appropriate blurb for ITN. Even then there is not currently consensus for posting at all. Polyamorph (talk) 11:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both blurb and ongoing. This is less notable than the apology itself, which wasn't posted months ago. Blurb would in theory be better than ongoing anyway, but this isn't blurb-worthy, as it a small part of a wider event, and we didn't post the most significant thing he did, which was apologise in the first place. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ITN Because of the apology. Grimes2 (talk) 09:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, of which I've added two above as a starting point. - Floydian τ ¢ 12:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both. I just don't think this is important enough. Repeating the existing apology is a footnote to the previous story we decided wasn't important enough to blurb back in April. Otherwise the Pope seems to have done nothing significant on this visit. Modest Genius talk 12:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both – Long planned/expected, this visit by the pope to retroactively apologize for historical events lacks general significance or impact beyond a discrete group of Canadians. (The main item of general interest would seem to be photos of Francis wearing an 'Indigenous' headdress.)Sca (talk) 13:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb – To me this feels like the type of article ITN is perfectly suited for, and I appreciate the daily updating (keep it up!). The importance of this specific moment is relatively low compared to other ITNs, but if we haven't covered the apology at all yet, this would be the perfect moment to do so. It is certainly of general interest. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both this is not at all more remarkable than the Pope's forgiveness for the sexual abuse of minors by the Church and the actions he is taking in that direction. It is notable no doubt for Canda, but it is of little relevance internationally and therefore by ITNR. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, oppose ongoing This is a current event reliable news sources are covering appropriately; and the article is of sufficient quality for the main page. --Jayron32 14:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both per Modest Genius DarkSide830 (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both The church has already apologized for this, a prior pope issued an "expression of sorrow" and this pope has apologized for other atrocities. There is a spirit of incrementalism that suggests we could do this again and again. What happened here doesn't change anything substantial, nor does it reflect a change in the position of the papacy or the church at large. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Sushovan Banerjee

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Article: Sushovan Banerjee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Indian medical doctor. Padma Shri awardee. Article can be expanded before posting. Ktin (talk) 18:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - Stub, also there is nothing about him being an MP, except it says it was in 1984 (when did it end) - Also WP says elections were held in West Bengal in 1982 and 1987 so maybe some source is wrong Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I grossly misjudged my ability to get some time from my off-wiki / real-life commitments to get some edits into this article. Unfortunately, will not be able to work on this one. RIP. Ktin (talk) 04:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD: James Lovelock

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Article: James Lovelock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  James Lovelock, creator of Gaia hypothesis, dies on 103rd birthday (Post)
Alternative blurb: James Lovelock, known for his theory that the Earth is a self-regulating community of organisms, dies on 103rd birthday
News source(s): Guardian [
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Important British scientist and environmentalist, died on 103rd birthday. Article is mostly pretty good, a few bits unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 14:25, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose needs a few more sources. Pretty decent article apart from that, so would be a shame if the few minor sourcing issues cannot be fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps some have now been fixed by others. I tagged a few sentences for which I could not find the source. But as there are only a few as far as I noticed I don't think that is enough to prevent a blurb. Suggest any sentences which remain unsourced can just be deleted if necessary. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, very good article. Polyamorph (talk) 14:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - groundbreaking scientist for proposing the Gaia hypothesis. Interstellarity (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - career spanning more than seven decades. The kind of scientist you would expect to be blurbed. Worldwide coverage. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Still controversial and interesting Chidgk1 (talk) 15:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, RD only I do not believe that "death blurbs" are to be given out as some sort of lifetime achievement award. They should only be for when the death is the story, because of the outpouring of grief in society or if the nature of the death itself is newsworthy. This is the death of a 103 year old man, with a remarkable career no doubt, which is what RD is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The death blurb are given either when the death is the story or when there is remarkable career, like when we blurbed Sydney Poitier, Betty White, Kumar and others. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Most people who have Wikipedia biographies have had a "remarkable career". I didn't agree to those blurbs and I don't agree to this one either. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Not most. They just have significant coverage on them, there aplenty of footballers who played in lower leagues or actors who had minor roles. Or celebrities, about whom we can not say that they did smth remarkable. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Major figures being blurbed should be an ultra rare exception, and not normalised in any way. WP:ITNRD specifically states that if a person is more famous for what they did when alive, it belongs in an RD link and not a blurb. If we blurb someone it should be because the manner in which they died is notable and deserves further clarification. But if an "exceptional career" were the bar for a blurb then ITN would just be an obituary wall. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  03:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment cn tags dealt with, now ready, can be posted as RD while discussion continues. Black Kite (talk) 18:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb. The article looks in decent enough shape. He certainly had a long and wide-ranging career, but his scientific impact doesn't meet the 'transformative' criterion for me. The Gaia hypothesis is philosophical and has as many attackers as defenders. Certainly well known with the public for his books and environmental campaigning, but I don't think that's blurb-worthy. Modest Genius talk 18:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Please feel free to continue with the discussion on blurbing, if appropriate. --PFHLai (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Dow

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Article: Tony Dow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Entertainment, Fox News, Variety
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Leave it to Beaver actor. Also known for directing episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5CoatCheck (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chin Kung

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Article: Chin Kung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Awaiting formal publication in the news, but livestreams of Buddhist rituals are all over the internet Vietnamese Buddhist media]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Chinese Buddhist monk and scholar based in Taiwan and Australia. Prolific writer of books and thousands of video lectures, translated into many languages example set1 example set2 both dubbed into Vietnamese. am improving the article at the moment. Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: David Trimble

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Article: David Trimble (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Sky News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The inaugural first minister of Northern Ireland. He won a Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume for their work negotiating the Good Friday Agreement. Some unsourced statements and CN tags floating around, but not as many as there were earlier. Sourcing looks good now. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Sorvino

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Article: Paul Sorvino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hoping for help with that massive, unsourced filmography. What a career. Ready to assess. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bhisadej Rajani

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Article: Bhisadej Rajani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bangkok Post Thai PBS
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of the Thai royal family, close associate of the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej, centenarian. Varavour (talk) 18:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

​(Posted 1 RD) Myanmar's military junta executes four people

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Articles: Zayar Thaw (talk · history · tag) and Kyaw Min Yu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Myanmar's military junta executes four people, including political prisoners Zayar Thaw (pictured) and Kyaw Min Yu. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ For the first time in decades, Myanmar's military junta executes four people, including political prisoners and democratic activists.
News source(s): CNN, BBC

 157.65.118.89 (talk) 06:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per notability. Seems only to be of regional notability, and only one minor event in a much larger event. Carter00000 (talk) 06:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I went to the CNN and BBC articles that are linked and they are at the top page. While authoritarian regimes still murder dissidents, it is unusual to bother with a show trial. Normally they just fake a traffic accident, poisoning etc and pretend to not be involved. The first listed person was also an MP Bumbubookworm (talk) 07:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sham trials occur all the time. I don't recall too many where they actually execute political dissidents recently, usually it is an imprisonment. Murders that are falsely presented as accidents are common, but here they are 'proudly' self-identifying it as a state-sanctioned murder to try and intimidate the population Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updates to the articles are insufficient to be considered for a blurb. Zayar Thaw is not ready for RD; needs something on post-2015. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – per Bumbubookworm. Political opponents hanged after a closed-door legal proceeding. Widely & prominently covered, connoting significant notoriety for the military dictatorship. AP, Guardian, Reuters, BBC. – Sca (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question/oppose: is the nomination specifically for the deaths of the two named individuals, or for the resumption of capital punishment in Burma for the first time in decades? If the former, the biographies don't make them sound significant enough to merit a blurb, though perhaps they're incomplete at present. If the latter, capital punishment in Myanmar should be the bold link - but it's a stub that requires major work. Modest Genius talk 14:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose If the two named individuals are the target articles of this blurb, then Kyaw Min Yu's article needs expansion and Zayar Thaw's article needs some ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as per Modest Genius. If the notability/ITN-worthiness is for the resumption of capital punishment in Burma (which is what a number of people voting support here look to have been voting for), then Capital punishment in Myanmar is the appropriate target, and so this fails article quality. If it's the deaths of these two people specifically, then those articles need to be improved, and I'm not convinced they're notable enough people to be blurbed anyway (so they should just be put onto RD). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - these executions are unusual enough to merit inclusion. Sheila1988 (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, As a sign of human rights violation. Alex-h (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the combination of the political salience, including a former MP, and the fact these are the first executions conducted in Burma in decades, make this a particularly unusual and thus notable event. The ramifications are serious and far ranging; we can reasonably expect the junta's isolation to deepen, the growing armed resistance to be galvanized, and the safety of higher profile detainees like ASSK to come into question. --Varavour (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't post the same thing on RD and blurbs. And disagree that the other two people "need articles too", unless they pass WP:GNG (and not just for being executed). Also, the blurb for this should link to the article about executions, but that article is junk. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry I don't think I've worded myself well enough. I would support Support blurb on notability but oppose on quality and due to lack of target article. If we blurb, then all 4 people need to mentioned, because the event would pass notability per consensus. If blurb fails, then support 2x RDs for the two people who are notable enough for the two articles, i.e. conditional 2x RD support. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Tour de France

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Article: 2022 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard (pictured) wins the 2022 Tour de France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Danish cyclist Jonas Vingegaard (pictured) wins the 2022 Tour de France.
Alternative blurb II: Jonas Vingegaard (pictured) wins the 2022 Tour de France, the first Dane to win since 1996.
News source(s): BBC Sport CNN, AP
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major sporting event. Turini2 (talk) 07:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302 Already working on it :) Turini2 (talk) 08:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done! A decent first draft Turini2 (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And now subsequently hugely expanded thanks to @Raleigh80Z90Faema69 @Lugnuts @YD407OTZ and @Kiwipete. Hopefully good enough for ITN now! :D Turini2 (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The text in the summary looks good, but some of it doesn't have sources listed. I would suggest a minimum of one source per paragraph, even if it means repeating sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Armand Duplantis breaks his own pole vault world record at the 2022 World Athletics Championships in Eugene, Oregon, clearing 6.21 metres (20 ft 4+12 in). (The Oregonian)

(Posted) RD: Len Oliver (soccer)

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Article: Len Oliver (soccer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Soccer America
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 05:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • The depth of coverage for this article is sufficient, as all major points of his life are covered. What you are asking for is a resume in prose format, which is actually a reason to oppose an RD nom. Spencer, Stephen: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Bloom6132: you've marked this as needing attention, but there's an unaddressed Oppose above. If there are important details missing then they should be added before posting. Otherwise, if you disagree with the above assessment by Bumbubookworm then please reply to the Comment stating why, so that an admin and others can properly assess it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 06:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I think the oppose has some merit since I don't think the article adequately covers Oliver's non-soccer life. After his playing career, he had his own Public policy consulting firm, was involved in promoting study circles in the U.S. (and wrote a book about it Study Circles: Coming Together for Personal Growth and Social Change) One possible source: [16] There is also other info about his international career beyond "resume" information in an interview in which he talks about his international career being derailed by injuries and health issues [17]. I think it merits mentioning in the article, and can be done in away that it's not a resume in prose format. SpencerT•C 03:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tim Giago

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Article: Tim Giago (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Seattle Times, Associated Press, Indian Country Today
Credits:

Article updated
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 Thriley (talk) 22:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Warner

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Article: David Warner (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor, known for his villain roles in Tron and Time Bandits among others. Someone is working to source the filmography but the body of the article needs help too before this can be posted Masem (t) 12:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Diana Kennedy

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Article: Diana Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British food writer. An authority on Mexican cuisine. Thriley (talk) 03:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[ATTENTION NEEDED] All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final

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Article: 2022 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Gaelic football, Kerry win the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, defeating Galway in the final. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sky Sports RTÉ The Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Based on the wording from last yearGaois (talk) 23:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 FIBA Asia Cup finals

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Article: 2022 FIBA Asia Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Australia men's national basketball team wins 73–75 against Lebanon to win the FIBA Asia Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Australia men's national basketball team (75) wins against Lebanon (73) to win the FIBA Asia Cup.
News source(s): FIBA, Spin.ph, The National News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Surprising results... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodrummer619 (talkcontribs) 18:34, 2022 July 24 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Standard issue with sports tournaments articles, tables upon tables upon tables with little to no prose. Also worth noting this is a regional tournament and not the world cup, thus not in ITN/R. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose regional sports championship is not ITN worthy. Also article has a distinct lack of prose about the event (as seems to be the problem with many sports articles). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to a lack of prose or anything that isn't tables or stats. I disagree with the idea that this shouldn't be posted at all because it's a regional sports championship, however, as the NBA finals have been posted here before. CaptainGalaxy 21:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Bob Rafelson

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Article: Bob Rafelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY times, Guardian, Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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 Thriley (talk) 22:55, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Monkeypox declared Public Health Emergency of International Concern

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Article: 2022 monkeypox outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organisation declares the ongoing Monkeypox outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. (Post)
Alternative blurb: WHO declares the ongoing Monkeypox outbreak an International Health Emergency.
News source(s): AP, France24 (AFP), BBC, NPR, DW, AlJazeera
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Nominator's comments: It seems extremely likely that WHO is going to declare this a PHEIC (Press conference in about an hour) . I thought it doesn't hurt to start talking about it now already (would be nice to have it up in ITN in a timely manner).

To explain, a PHEIC is what was declared for SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 in January 2020, and is the highest form of alert the WHO can issue for infectious disease. It will most certainly be making headlines. Sean Heron (talk) 12:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I would argue it should replace covid in ongoing, given how much more coverage this is getting over that, but thats a different discussion. It's definitely time. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  13:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maria Petri

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Article: Maria Petri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [18]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English association football superfan of Arsenal.  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) UK Conservative Leadership election

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(Posted) RD: Stefan Soltész

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Article: Stefan Soltész (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian conductor, Dies While Conducting at the Bayerische Staatsoper Grimes2 (talk) 10:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dwight Smith

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Article: Dwight Smith (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [19]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Núria Feliu

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Article: Núria Feliu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): diario.es
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: considered an "indispensable icon" of Catalan culture and one of the most popular singers in Catalonia. I created her article a bit quickly, but I think the basics are there. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Joe Biden

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Article: Joe Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 46th U.S. President Joe Biden tests positive for Coronavirus disease 2019. (Post)
News source(s): [20], [21]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Currently the top story for "Joe Biden" on Google. FAdesdae378 23:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A person catching covid isn't news-worthy for ITN purposes. doesn't matter if that person is god himself. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  23:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jim Lynch

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Article: Jim Lynch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
Credits:

Article updated
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 – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johnny Egan

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Article: Johnny Egan (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hartford Courant
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I'm still expanding it, but it should be sufficient for ITN RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Chinese paddlefish

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Article: Chinese paddlefish (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest freshwater fish species, is officially declared extinct by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. (Post)
News source(s): [23], [24], [25]
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: The species was officially declared extinct by the IUCN today. Zach Varmitech (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TDKR Chicago 101: I've fixed the description section. Every sentence is now cited. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose thousands of species go extinct every year, it's not clear to me why this extinction is anything extraordinary, and therefore ITN worthy. Also, article quality is an issue too: the article has lots of content about the 2022 extinction in the lead that isn't in the main body of the article (and thus seems to violate MOS:LEAD), and has an orange tagged section. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    A possible notability argument could be the flagship species case, however, it does not seem from the article that any conservation efforts were taken specifically for this species. In general, I'd support mentioning of extinct species as long as the article is in a good shape. Tone 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Chinese paddlefish was one of only two species of paddlefish in the entire world, with the fossil record of paddlefish stretching back over 120 million years into the Early Cretaceous. It had also probably been divergent from the American paddlefish, from which is strongly distinct in morphology and diet, for many tens of millions of years. It's not just some random lake chicilid with hundreds of other species like it, but almost one of a kind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's not just this species. The full announcement says "The global sturgeon reassessment published today reveals that 100% of the world’s remaining 26 sturgeon species are now at risk of extinction, up from 85% in 2009. The assessments are based on refined calculations which show their decline over the past three generations to be steeper than previously thought. The Yangtze Sturgeon (Acipenser dabryanus) has moved from Critically Endangered to Extinct in the Wild, 17 species are now Critically Endangered, three are Endangered and five are Vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. The reassessment has also confirmed the extinction of the Chinese Paddlefish (Psephurus gladius)." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per notability requirements per Joseph2302. Carter00000 (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Meh, per Joseph. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- Maykii (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just saying, if encyclopedias had news sections, this item would be one of the items you'd expect to see there, and not like you know, races on rivers and asphalt. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per nom. Major species and amongst the largest freshwater fish species in the world. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. I'm cognizant that many species are declared extinct each year, and we can't feature all of them. This does seem an unusually significant species and the article is pretty good, plus there's a clear explanation of why it went extinct (overfishing and dam construction). Just about crosses the bar for me. Modest Genius talk 17:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, this is a significant event in natural history. BD2412 T 17:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting, the general consensus is there and some opposes were based on the article quality - since fixed. --Tone 19:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler

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Article: Uwe Seeler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hamburger Abendblatt (de), NDR (de)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Famous German footballer. Article needs a couple of sources but otherwise ready to go. SoWhy 15:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I added all the sources needed now. Regards SoWhy 15:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs attention): India's new President: Draupadi Murmu

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Articles: Droupadi Murmu (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Indian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Droupadi Murmu elected as India's new President (Post)
Alternative blurb: Droupadi Murmu is elected as President of India
Alternative blurb II: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is elected by the Parliament as the new President of India
Alternative blurb III: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is the first tribal member to be elected President of India.
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Start class, some work needed in sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The election article quality has actually got worse since yesterday - all the prose has been removed, leaving just tables. Modest Genius talk 11:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Make that argument the next time a white man is nominated, because there was not one oppose vote for Higgins due to significance (there are three here). We must be pragmatic about how our collective choices reflect the voice of WP. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Specifically, why is this notable? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So you're saying India is a racist society and the notability here comes purely from the appointment to a powerless ceremonial post of someone from an historically maligned demographic? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    "India has" vs "India is" are wildly different statements. The appointment of a tribal person has/had sparked lots and i mean lots of discussion of e.g. whether an Adivasi president as representation is actually effective or not, which I can only assume you are completely ignorant of given your flat dismissal of Droupadi Murmu's significance. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: While the president of India indeed is a ceremonial head of state, any change in, say, the monarch of England would be generally accepted as notable enough for the ITN section. Is the monarch of the UK not a ceremonial head of state? Also, this news was shown on the french wikipedia, so i think we should accept it. however, as many have said that the quality of articles is bad, therefore we should reconsider this. Narutmaru (talk) 09:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support : She is first tribal and 2nd woman president of India. She is from Santal community which is spread among India, Nepal and Bangladesh. Many tribal organisations in Bangladesh celebrated her win as the President of India. India isa well significant and of strategic significant country in the world while having the 2nd most no of people after China. The Indian community is spread around the world is significant importance even though the position is ceremonial. How many countries have actually nominated tribal people people as head of states? I think it would also help to spread the message about woman empowerment among the underprivileged people.  Debjyoti Gorai  (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately the election article is still a mess, with numerous missing citations and an orange-level tag, so cannot be posted - regardless of how important the story is. It's been seven days yet the article still needs serious work. Modest Genius talk 15:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Comment Droupadi Murmu is not orange-tagged anymore, so seems fine to run as the bolded link on ITN, as it's better quality than the election article. Marked this as needing attention, so admin can either post this or reject this nomination. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zakho resort attack

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Article: Zakho resort attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine civillians killed in an attack on Zakho resort in Duhok governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan (Post)
News source(s): BBC Arabic; NY Times
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Mario Draghi

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Article: Mario Draghi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mario Draghi resigns as the Prime Minister of Italy. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italy's revolving door of prime ministers continues.... 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  11:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I feel like the time to post this would have been when he announced his resignation. That said, no opposition to posting this now.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    he did resign, the president then asked him to take over in a caretaker role. Boris isn't leading a caretaker government (since there hasn't been a vote of no confidence against his government) so thats the difference. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  12:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Until Italy gets a new prime minister. (There have been 70 Italian PMs since WWII). – Sca (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Sca. Our standard practice is to post the change, not the resignation, so let's wait until the name of the new prime minister is known (the case of Boris Johnson is an unfortunate exception and should not be considered a rule).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    These "exceptions" seem to always favor Anglo-centrism (notice we posted May and Cameron, too). The rationale for posting UK and not posting others is always different, but the result is always the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until replacement is announced. After all, he tried to resign a week or two ago, and it got rejected, so absolutely no certainty right now that he'll end up being replaced. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Sca and etc. above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know what we have to wait for if the vast majority of editors supported without "waiting" the nomination on Boris Johnson's resignation. As I prefer to be congruent and not consider as precedent the posting of BJ's resignation, I oppose this one and effectively wait for Draghi's successor, or for the snap election that have already been called. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the Boris precedent. I'd argue the real news is the resignation anyway, not the inevitable successor (resignation = unexpected, new PM = expected). YD407OTZ (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is automatically ITNR with a new PM though. And Boris and the Twitter acquisition are not good examples or precedents to create or follow. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:IAR -- Sca (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment From the point of view of a parliamentary democracy, we've seen the coalition lose support in parliament, and a new election is now underway. Normally we don't post stuff when a government falls. So what is his position within his own party? Is there any chance he could remain PM after the election? Johnson is a bit of a different process. The UK government itself is stable; but the party leader himself has resigned in shame in the midst of several scandals. Many of Johnson's scandals were themselves arguably ITN events, but none achieved consensus - so with the camel's back broken ... A more orderly transfer of power, such as when Blair announced he'd resign, would likely not be as notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting now he has actually resigned [26]. The new elections won't be held for at least two months, a big enough gap for us not to wait. The article seems in good shape on a quick look, and has a whole section on the resignation. Modest Genius talk 18:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support unlike Boris he actually resigned. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait either until replacement is announced, preferably until a replacement assumed.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: An An

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Article: An An (giant panda) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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 Count Iblis (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Robert Curl

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Article: Robert Curl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Won the 1996 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. NY Times obit ran 20 July. Thriley (talk) 06:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Henry Janzen

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Article: Henry Janzen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 3DownNation
Credits:

Article updated
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 BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alice Harnoncourt

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Article: Alice Harnoncourt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pioneer of historically informed performance, with her husband. She was concertmaster of the Concentus Musicus Wien for decades, and a member of the orchestra until he retired, so was behind most of the legendary recordings. Also four children. I marked that her article needed expansion earlier this year - and now she died. I wish I could have done more, but need to go for a few days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judith Stamm

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Article: Judith Stamm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St.Galler Tagblatt
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Major Women's rights politician of Switzerland, one of the first woman presidents of the Swiss National Council. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Inge, Baron Inge

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Article: Peter Inge, Baron Inge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Field Marshal Lord Inge, former head of the Armed Forces in the UK. Wikibio looks already ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ruslana Pysanka

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Article: Ruslana Pysanka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): babel.ua and others
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian actress who died in Germany as a refugee. Article was old but a stub, more detail welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Patrick Michaels

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Article: Patrick Michaels (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on the 16th, however his death was announced today. Article updated and well sourced --> --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Election of Ranil Wickremesinghe

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Article: 2022 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected as the ninth president of Sri Lanka by the Parliament amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected to replace Gotabaya Rajapaksa as President of Sri Lanka amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
Alternative blurb II: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected by parliament as President of Sri Lanka replacing Gotabaya Rajapaksa amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, Reuters, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Election of a new Head of State, developing story in the Flight and Resignation of Gotabaya Rajapaksa, the 2022 Sri Lankan political crisis, 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis and 2022 Sri Lankan protestsBlackknight12 (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doubtful that this will change the course of protests much, considering Wickremesinghe is considered by the protesters to be part of the problem. The big story is the protests and we have to see how they will develop with this news, so i'll say wait. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  09:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
i'm only saying if we are replacing the blurb which had the protests bolded, we should see how the protests develop first. Its worth nothing that he is the former prime minister. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  15:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Gazprom signs a memorandum of understanding for the development of Iranian oil and gas fields and related infrastructure worth $40 billion. (Reuters)
  • The European Commission proposes a new, joint defense procurement system for EU member states. It would be operational by the end of this year, with initial funding of 500 million. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Jim Dillard (gridiron football)

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Article: Jim Dillard (gridiron football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 3DownNation
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972)

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Article: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports, WNCN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Had 1,000 yards receiving in a single season, had a 9 year career. Sportsfangnome

@Joseph2302:Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 19:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't need to be pinged twice. Still seems quite short to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the quick response, Joseph2302. -- PFHLai (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302: strange. You supported Larry Jeffrey recently, and that was only 2,678 characters long. This article is 2,941 characters – I don't think article length is the true reason for your oppose vote. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stop pinging me, this is getting annoying, as it's the third time I've been pinged. The professional career section is too short in my opinion, and is just a lists of arbitrary stats (why is being 10th best at something important). You can disagree with that if you want, but don't accuse me of any ulterior motives, as these violate WP:NPA. 9 years as a professional player should have more prose about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Larry Jeffrey also played nine years professionally and had less prose, yet you supported that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lists of stats is not proper prose, which is what this article is. If people think this is good enough, post it- I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but not people accusing me of some ulterior motive. The fact people are going through my contribution history to pick an argument with me is ridiculous- maybe I should have opposed that article too, but that's in the past. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No one accused you of "ulterior motives". And a vote made three days ago is hardly "in the past". The fact that you get so defensive about me pointing out your double standards speaks for itself. Next. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Henderson

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Article: Michael Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stereogum
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jazz/funk/R&B musician. Kafoxe (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not Ready Orange tagged in the collaborations section. Otherwise doesn't look too bad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Collaboration section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. And, this wikibio currently has only 298 words of prose. Anything else to write about? Perhaps expanding on things mentioned in the intro and not yet elaborated upon (but really should be) in the main body? --PFHLai (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Hans-Joachim Hespos

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Article: Hans-Joachim Hespos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SWR and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Selftaught experimental composer whose works were performed internationally, high awards. He had a practically ref-less article. There's much more in the new refs, especially about teaching (and more awards), and the German Wikipedia has a complete list of his works, but I have to leave him for now to prepare vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Larry Jeffrey

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Article: Larry Jeffrey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [28][29]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Claes Oldenburg

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Article: Claes Oldenburg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Major death in the art world; made an NYT breaking news push alert. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 17:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Undoubtedly, the person is notable and that the article is well sourced.
Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Greenwood Mall shooting (U.S.)

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Article: Greenwood Park Mall shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Greenwood, Indiana, four people are killed in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A lone gunman halts a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Indiana, by shooting and killing the perpetrator.
News source(s): Indy Star, NYT
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Nominator's comments: I've said before that the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. This particular shooting is especially unique because the gunman was shot and killed by another gunman in the vicinity. This does not happen often in the U.S., and may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The article is still a stub, and it's not clear yet whether this will get the sort of coverage that will make it ITN-significant. I get the "good guy with a gun" angle, but I'm still doubtful as to whether this will last beyond the 24 hour news cycle. That's in sharp contrast to the Uvalve school shooting and the police response, which is still generating headlines today due to the release of a damning report. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This doesn't meet the usual minimum death threshold and is also yet another US shooting, which has been discussed ad nauseam; and gunman shot by another gunman or not, this is simply too commonplace to post each and every one.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose no, you don't have to nominate every single shooting that occurs in America. Don't waste our time. We need to know what the consensus is in Candidates on these events. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per the above points, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the type of routine crime in the US that doesn't have a long term impact. --Masem (t) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - and the nom, even if I am sympathetic to the motivation, appears to be a straightforward POINT violation. If you dont think it belongs here then dont nominate it. nableezy - 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I do think we should be more proactive in nominating mass shootings, but I also believe this one is a rare example of one that has a low death toll but still an unusual impact. I believe this will do more to alter the conversation about gun control in the United States than any of the more recent shootings, since politicians can now point to this and say that this is an example of how concealed carry prevents further deaths. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Describing an armed civilian who halted a mass shooting as "another gunman" or a "lone gunman" is horrendously misleading. Kafoxe (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. In a way, I am surprised this has not happened before. Of am I just being naive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I agree that this is a kind of routine crime in U.S. Alex-h (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment "may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents" Well yes, maybe, if they really want to prove themselves as mental defectives? Let's have more guns, in the hope that any mass shooter will be gunned down by another nearby gunman. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jessie Duarte

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Article: Jessie Duarte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IOL, M&G
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Yasmin "Jessie" Duarte was an anti-apartheid activist. Became Deputy Secretary-General of the African National Congress in 2012. Needs more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Dee Hock

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Article: Dee Hock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [30][31]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Founder of the Visa network. Not too well known outside the financial services industry, but seriously impactful within it. 82.13.211.75 (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerald Shargel

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Article: Gerald Shargel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

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 Thriley (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ángela Abós Ballarín

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Article: Ángela Abós Ballarín (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Heraldo de Aragón Diario del AltoAragón
Credits:

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 Curbon7 (talk) 04:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wakanohana Kanji II

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Article: Wakanohana Kanji II (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jiji Press, Nikkan Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former sumo yokozuna. Died on the 16th, reported on the 18th. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hobie Billingsley

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Article: Hobie Billingsley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indianapolis Star; The Daily Hoosier
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) European heat wave & wildfires

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Articles: July 2022 European heat wave (talk · history · tag) and 2022 European wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A historic heat wave across Europe causes at least 281 fatalities and causes the United Kingdom’s first red extreme heat warning to be issued. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Met Office issues the first ever red extreme heat warning in the United Kingdom amid a heat wave across Europe.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A heat wave across Western Europe leaves more than 500 people dead.
News source(s): (BBC), Guardian, DW
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Nominator's comments: Not really sure how to do a blurb for this since it spans so many countries, which each have historic things happening. It seems that two main parts to this heat wave are significant international news. (1): 281 fatalities and (2) the UK’s first ever red extreme heat warning. Fully open to alternative blurbs, but both of those seem to be the largest significant events for this heat wave. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support because combined with 2022 European wildfires, it's important enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but this needs some restructuring and/or splitting. There are two distinct heat waves involved in this article and both have had/are having massive impacts. The one last month killed well over 1,000 people while the ongoing one is over 300 deaths (I'm seeing conflicting totals, but the most consistent I've found is 238 in Portugal and 84 in Spain). The wildfires might be worth adding to the blurb if that article can be cleaned up. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Significance is a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose also on quality. Seems like there is a mix of different articles covering the same/similar events. Several of the wikilinks in the blurbs provided are redirects to past (June 2022) events. Re-nominate once fixed. Polyamorph (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to Support - quality is still not great but at least the article is stable now. It is significant.Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment: No one else support or oppose for a while. Someone split the June and July articles without any discussions, so a bunch of wikilinks got messed up. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Any blurb that is calling out the special warning/situation in the UK is not going to be appropriate, the entire Western Europe region is affected. --Masem (t) 22:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Comment – Not to mention many other places. Where I live in the U.S., it's 102F (39C) late Sat. afternoon. It's been like this all week. If we had a good worldwide roundup that might be approp. – Sca (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair the heat wave in EU is from one/two closely tied weather systems, whereas in the middle of summer of the US it's just warmer, and there are not mass deaths from it. Masem (t) 22:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not suggesting the U.S. is particularly notable, although for the past couple weeks it's been unusually warm in the West. The overall point is it's hot in many regions beside Europe. -- Sca (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The distinction is Europe very rarely gets this sort of temperature. This is more newsworthy the same way a flood somewhere that has never flooded before and is in an area where a flood couldn't usually reach would be more newsworthy than a flood in an area that floods once a year. That is how news works, after all. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:E118:40C3:CEF3:344 (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By that same coin, the impact seems to be far more on the Iberian than Western European in general. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Heatwave, even just for July, has ~600 deaths. The 2021 Western North American heat wave was posted at 103. This makes it one of, if not the, deadliest weather event of 2022. The ongoing heat in the United States is just a typical summer heat wave, this could be the continent’s worst since 1757. I would also like to add that the issues with the links is resolved, so I would ask those users to reconsider their votes now. I oppose mentioning the UK in the title though, and would go far enough to say it should be merged with the July heatwave article. 47.21.202.18 (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can't really compare a western North America heatwave to those places that have heat waves with a lot of deaths (like central and eastern North America where thousands if not tens of thousands die). The humidity remains low during western heat waves - which is also what is being seen currently in much of Western Europe. The death from heat waves normally requires high humidity as well. I expect part of the reason that Europe's deaths are higher than one might expect is because of a lack of preparedness, air conditioning, cooling centres, and experience with such conditions. Nfitz (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The non-sparsely populated parts of Alaska are also seeing heat, @Szmenderowiecki:. African fires and heat have been widely reported. There was extreme heat last month in Iran. Meanwhile there is currently extreme heat in China. That Nasa article in the last link is a much better basis for an ITN article than one that restricts itself to a regional issue. Looking deeper, there is extreme heat in southwestern parts of the United States, and it looks like western Canada may be next. The media doesn't tend to get as wound up in North America, until town and cities start burning down. Many more people in the impacted areas have air conditioning - and most residential houses have basements. This is far more than just western Europe. There's widescale WP:BIAS in only reporting this about Europe. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ping didn't work for whatever reason? Anyway, all of these examples should have had their articles done and proposed here. Btw, the heat in Europe is in fact from Western Sahara, which includes Morocco, so these are connected issues. As for Iran and China, definitely should have been proposed here but weren't AFAIK, because there were no articles written about those heat waves. Ultimately it isn't about us preferring to promote European topics on ITN and more about people don't caring to write the articles about areas outside EU/US, which is a problem of our user base in general (admittedly I'm part of it, because most things I wrote of so far were connected to Europe or Canada).
As for the US and Canada, I am looking at these and apparently all-time heat records were at best tied as in Salt Lake City, so unless there are numerous casualties, or towns burning, the ITN posting of these extreme events is right now unclear. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's try pinging you like this, User:Szmenderowiecki, which is what I've done for a decade+ before I was told it never worked! I don't see where the Salt Lake City information is coming from - and I thought the worst heat was further west (and north). Many heat records in British Columbia were completely shattered - though it was the massive extent and damage of the fires that were most notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ping works!
I mean, the Salt Lake City stuff if from just two days ago, but even if it broke the record, I don't think that alone it would qualify. I am not aware of any recent heat advisories for BC, or the Pacific Northwest in general (the last one I can find was from three weeks ago), but obviously this does not qualify for ITN. If the territorial all time highs are broken in Yukon or NWT or Nunavut, then I think it might be postable given that we are speaking of Arctic regions.
Also, my criteria are these: a national record is set; a record for a large state/territory/oblast is set and coupled with some unusual disasters; or the heat wave brings about a lot of mayhem and deaths. So the last year's heat wave in BC would qualify because it obliterated the previous all-time high record in Canada; this heat wave would also qualify; the heatwave from May would also qualify as unusually early. On the other hand, snow in Brazil, as it happened in May, would IMHO also be fine to mention here. More climate news - the climate crisis is there after all! Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's been much heat worth mentioning this month in most of North America - record highs happen all the time with climate change - heck, we got one here today in Toronto - but the humidity isn't brutal yet with a dew point of 17C, so it's not a big concern or notable (though still feels warmer than London - where the dew point 8C at 1 pm BST!). It's Africa and Asia that are seeing extremes. Though that might change in North America looking at the 2 to 4 week forecasts - more so in the West. I'm all in favour of an ITN though - but including at least Asia and northern Africa. Nfitz (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On that we agree. Just the articles should be there. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure this would have been posted days ago if it were in North America... Although admittedly not been helped by many article splits/merges, the article that exists now seems fine, and more than good enough for ITN (where we often post way poorer quality articles than this one). And actual records are being broken as we speak, don't get why this is still being held up. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • By tomorrow it will be yesterday's news. Quality has been the biggest hold up, most agree on the significance to post. When I opposed the links all pointed in different directions, merges were happening. It is now more stable. Quality is still not great but I've changed my oppose to support. Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no need to suggest bad faith here. The target remains in horrible condition. It's not so much an encyclopedia article as it is a list of facts we might later use to compose an article. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and also on scope - much of the article is just unstructured bullet points, e.g. Spain's jUly heatwave. Furthermore, as noted above by Nfitz, this same heat wave extends into North Africa and mention should be made of what's happened there, for completeness.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. If a reasonably descriptive section on N. Africa could be added, this might serve as an acceptable modus vivendi to avoid ignoring the No.1 story after Rukraine. -- Sca (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, in principle, a mix of Alt Blurbs 1 and 3; last year's heat dome over the Rockies got posted, after all, which was less impactful in the end. Sceptre (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Less impactful, @Sceptre:? In the centre of the event it hit 49.6 °C (121.3 °F), destroying an entire town. The Lytton wildfire alone was about 84,000 hectares - ten times the size I'm seeing reported for fires in Spain; and there were much larger fires than Lytton - some also with their own articles. You could smell the smoke a thousand miles away - and there's no way that's even factored into the excess deaths. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just came across this very good, new, article which looks at the whole thing in a much more global, and less sensational way. Might be used to improve the article(s). I wonder if there'll be something in Thursday's hardcopy version of the newspaper. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly support linking Anthropogenic climate change in ongoing, although I think the required discussion isn't well suited to this page; an RfC at WT:In the news/Candidates might be the best place. BilledMammal (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

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  • Transport in Spain
    • Spain introduces free tickets for suburban and medium-distance services for Renfe, the state-owned railway operator, starting from September 1 and until the end of the year. Other modes of public transport already have a 30% discount. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: José Ramón Balaguer

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Article: José Ramón Balaguer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CE Noticias Financieras English
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pratap Pothen

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Article: Pratap Pothen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

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  • Social media site Twitter experiences a global outage lasting for 45 minutes, making it the site's longest outage since 2016. (The Guardian)
  • Russia enacts a law that requires all companies to comply with the armed forces' orders to provide goods or services and provide overtime or additional work days if necessary. The requirement for a public procurement procedure for this type of request is abolished. (Rzeczpospolita)

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RD: Francisco Morales-Bermúdez

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Article: Francisco Morales-Bermúdez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/peru-caribbean-presidential-elections-obituaries-c77dac9abd1613b9d8873c809b48f1e2
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Was Primer Minister of Peru, then became President after Tacnazo in 1975. This wikibio is in serious need of more sourcing. --PFHLai (talk) 03:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carleton Varney

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Article: Carleton Varney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Designers Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 20:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ivana Trump

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Article: Ivana Trump (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Missile attack on Vinnytsia

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Article: Missile attack on Vinnytsia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Russian missile attack on the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia in central Ukraine, kills at least 22 people, including 3 children, and injures at least 100 others (Post)
News source(s): [36][37][38][39]
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(Closed) Mario Draghi resigns

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Articles: Mario Draghi (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Italian government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mario Draghi announces his resignation as prime minister of Italy, after the Five Star Movement withdraws from his national unity government. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Fourth prime minister-related ITN in one week?? Davey2116 (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) USD/EUR parity

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Article: Euro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Euro hits parity with the US Dollar for the first time in 20 years (Post)
News source(s): NYT, [40] Fox, CNN, etc. — AP, BBC
Credits:
 Banedon (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rubina Qureshi

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Article: Rubina Qureshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News, Dawn, Pakistan Today
Credits:

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 Ainty Painty (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rashard Anderson

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Article: Rashard Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Clarion-Ledger; Jackson State Tigers
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

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(Posted) RD: Sixtus Lanner

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Article: Sixtus Lanner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Standard Salzburger Nachrichten
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Curbon7 (talk) 04:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colin Stubs

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Article: Colin Stubs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ATP Tour; Tennis Australia
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bobby East

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Article: Bobby East (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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 DanzST (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Froines

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Article: John Froines (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Spencer Webb

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Article: Spencer Webb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo, Fox News, CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Joshua Schulte convicted for Vault 7 Disclosures

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Article: Joshua Schulte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A jury in New York convicts ex-Central Intelligence Agency engineer Joshua Schulte for the Vault 7 leak, the largest leak in CIA history, detailing the capabilities of the CIA to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A jury in New York convicts ex-Central Intelligence Agency engineer Joshua Schulte for the Vault 7 leak, the largest leak in CIA history, detailing the capabilities of the CIA to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former Central Intelligence Agency engineer Joshua Schulte is convicted for the Vault 7 leak.
News source(s): Reuters, CNN, The New York Times, The Verge, ABC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Conviction of a whistleblower for a notable leak affecting global affairs.
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(Posted) RD: Diana Lebacs

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Article: Diana Lebacs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOS, Curacao.nu, Curacao Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Writer from Curaçao. Joofjoof (talk) 01:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zahia Mentouri

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Article: Zahia Mentouri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ennahar TV; El Bilad TV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Curbon7 (talk) 23:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Parsons (American football)

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Article: Bob Parsons (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; Chicago Bears; The Patriot-News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (July 12); died on July 8. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Unlawful SAS Killings during War in Afghanistan

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Article: Special Air Service (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leaked military reports indicate that a UK Special Air Service unit unlawfully killed 54 people in one six-month tour during the War in Afghanistan. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Times, The Economic Times, Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Notable investigation of war crimes committed during the War in Afghanistan by the UK SAS. Relevant section of the article can be found at Special_Air_Service#War_in_Afghanistan Carter00000 (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Michael Fowler

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Article: Michael Fowler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand; Stuff.co.nz
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former mayor of Wellington, widely known for redevelopment of the city Kiwichris (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Bernard Toone

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Article: Bernard Toone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; Marquette University
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (July 11); died over the Independence Day weekend (i.e. July 2–4). —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gary Moeller

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Article: Gary Moeller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit News
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Article updated
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 BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ducky Schofield

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Article: Ducky Schofield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The State Journal-Register; NPR Illinois
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:29, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked

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Articles: Mo Farah (talk · history · tag) and Human trafficking in the United Kingdom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sir Mo Farah, British Olympic gold medalist runner, reveals that he was trafficked to Britain at the age of nine. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Nominator's comments: Globally notable sports star revealed to be a victim of human trafficking
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(Posted) RD: Imam Soetopo

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Article: Imam Soetopo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Solo Pos
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former mayor of Surakarta, predecessor of Joko Widodo. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • This wikibio is long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), and has footnotes at expected spots, with no obvious formatting concerns. However, as a reader, it seems that there is no coverage of his life between his tenure as commander of the military region ending on 6 November 1992 and his installation as the Mayor of Surakarta on 9 January 1995, as well as the period between his being replaced as mayor in 2000 and his death in 2022. Anything to include? Did he simply retire in 2000? Otherwise, this is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 07:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: I can't really figure out anything significant happening between 2000 until his death in 2022, but this article from 2010 says that his house was robbed and the burglar pointed a knife to him before fleeing the scene. Idk if that's important to the article or not.--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The wikibio is fine as is. Just that as I read it, it seems like there is a gap. Perhaps a sentence about where he resided in retirement would be useful. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well "living in Surakarta" is probably not too notable if he was mayor there in the first place. Juxlos (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was more interested in something, anything related to his retirement. Never mind. I was probably quibbling about nothing. --PFHLai (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maurice Boucher

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Article: Maurice Boucher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [41], [42], [43],
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Significant figure in Canadian organized crime --StevenBjerke97 talk 22:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) First images from the James Webb Space Telescope

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Articles: James Webb Space Telescope (talk · history · tag) and Webb's First Deep Field (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: President Biden reveals the first operational image (pictured) from the James Webb Space Telescope (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The James Webb Space Telescope becomes operational and its first image (pictured) is released.
Alternative blurb II: NASA unveils the first operational image (pictured) taken by the James Webb Space Telescope.
News source(s): NYT; NASA; ESA; CSA, AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The reveal is happening soon so we should get ready. It was agreed earlier that the first such images would be highlighted here. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:56, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But please use the original png version since the inferior jpeg version is nominated for deletion. cart-Talk 22:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NASA should definitely be in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Without the quality issues addressed???? Please pull until fixed. --Masem (t) 06:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry Sinclair

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Article: Barry Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald; ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Monty Norman

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Article: Monty Norman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [45]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Composer of James Bond theme. --SitcomyFan (talk) 18:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: José Guirao

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Article: José Guirao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: One of the most respected Spanish Ministers of Culture in the history of the ministry, he left his post just two years ago. Gone too soon from cancer. The article seems ready, but I'm expanding its content a bit more. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Grizzly Giant endangered by wildfire

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Article: Grizzly Giant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 3,000-year-old giant sequoia Grizzly Giant in Mariposa Grove threatened by fast-moving Washburn Fire (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 3,000-year-old giant sequoia in Mariposa Grove threatened wildfire
News source(s): AP, SFGate, Fresno Bee
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: tree is 3,000 years old, one of the largest giant sequoias, 2,000 acres burned and fast-moving; Mariposa Grove has a mention of fire, but not Grizzly Giant Wikijenitor (talk) 02:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Uber Files
    • Over 124,000 confidential documents are leaked from Uber, showing efforts by Uber to lobby governments for preferential treatment. (BBC News)
    • Leaked documents reveal that French President Emmanuel Macron went to "extraordinary lengths" to help Uber disrupt the French taxi industry, telling Uber's executives that he had brokered a "secret" deal with his socialist opponents in his cabinet. (The Guardian)

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  • Most of Argentina is placed on "yellow alert" by the National Meteorological Service due to high winds, hail and snowfall. (M1)

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2022 Japanese House of Councillors Election

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Article: 2022 Japanese House of Councillors election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Liberal Democratic Party maintains its majority in the Japanese House of Councillors election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Liberal Democratic Party, led by Prime Minister Fumio Kishida (pictured), maintains its majority in the Japanese House of Councillors election.
News source(s): The New York Times, The Japan Times
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Nominator's comments: This is a bit late but it took us a while to get the article in decent shape. I believe this is valid for inclusion in ITN as it is a recurring election in a sovereign state.

(This is my first ITN candidacy so apologies if I did something wrong) Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerald McEntee

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Article: Gerald McEntee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; AFSCME
Credits:

Article updated
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2022 Wimbledon Championships

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Article: 2022 Wimbledon Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, the 2022 Wimbledon Championships conclude with Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles tournament and Elena Rybakina (pictured with the Venus Rosewater Dish) winning the women's singles tournament. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: It's ITNR. Surprised it hasn't been nominated yet.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Uber Leaks

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Article: Uber Files (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 124,000 confidential documents are leaked from Uber, showing efforts to lobby governments for preferential treatment in their countries. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, The Washington Post, CBC
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Nominator's comments: Likely to become global news with significant coverage, given the size of the leak and the company itself. Carter00000 (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: L. Q. Jones

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Article: L. Q. Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, Variety
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Nominator's comments: Posting this here as I see no one else has nominated it. Article might need work. --SitcomyFan (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)--SitcomyFan (talk) 20:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lily Safra

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Article: Lily Safra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): O Globo (in Portuguese), G1 (in Portuguese), UOL (in Portuguese)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The article need some sourcing, but it's almost ready. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 19:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sri Lankan President's House Storming & Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe Resignation

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Articles: Ranil Wickremesinghe (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Sri Lankan protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protesters storm the President's House in Colombo, Sri Lanka, forcing president Gotabaya Rajapaksa to flee and prime minister Ranil Wickremesinghe to agree to his resignation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Sri Lanka, president Gotabaya Rajapaksa and prime minister Ranil Wickremesinghe announce their resignations after protesters storm their residences in Colombo in response to the country's economic crisis.
News source(s): Al Jazeera,BBC, Times of India, AP, CNN
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Nominator's comments: I know there was a recent nomination regarding the countries bankruptcy on July 5, but the circumstances have changed quite significantly since then, and this is a different story from that and is only getting more oxygen with a resignation, as such I feel a fresh take is warrented. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  16:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait According to this, President Rajapaksa intends to resign on 13 July, so I would wait until that day for the blurb to contain his resignation and that of the prime minister. Without any doubt, the resignation of the two highest authorities of a country motivated by massive protests is, IMO, ITNR-worthy. I wouldn't mention anything about the storming of the presidential palace. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2022§ (UTC)
As discussed here recently with regard your misguided opposition to the nomination of the Boris Johnson resignation announcements, a main purpose of ITN is "to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news", implying that the timing should be determined based on coverage in (reliable) news sources - not by the opinion of individual Wikipedia editors who disagree with these sources on which is the more newsworthy aspect in such a course of events. Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we can update the hook later if Rajapaksa also resigns. Bad week to be a prime minister of a country, it seems. Juxlos (talk) 17:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the storming itself would probably already be notable enough, the fact that it also resulted in the resignation of the prime minister, and ostensibly the resignation of the president, makes it even more so. I only have an issue with the "agree to his resignation" part. Is this something the protestors specifically asked for? It makes an already wordy blurb even longer. YD407OTZ (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Though the pronouns in the blurb are confusing to me. Has Wickremesinghe agreed to his own resignation or the president's? Nfitz (talk) 18:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Major unrest followed by a PM resignation is notable enough to add a blurb. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 18:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • WaitAlJazeera says Rajapaksa to resign next Wed., July 13, as Alsoriano notes. Posting now would be premature. – Sca (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: – Wiki is not a Sri Lanka ticker. – Sca (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would say the big story is all this is the presidential palace being stormed, because thats the impetus for the resignations... that happened today. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  19:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Support major news; incorporate the unrest in the blurbs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support I do think this is an interesting story I think should be shared, but I'm uncertain as to timing. Perhaps the better question to ask here is whether there is some framing of the story that will encapsulate the ongoing events that might develop as it lingers on the front page. 142.126.80.63 (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment obviously notable but the article is a dreadful state of WP:PROSELINE and in need of a copyedit. At least a first pass on cleanup should be done before it goes up. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Like what does this "On 16 April, Gotagogama People's University was officially opened to people from all walks of life as the university was built to create a free space for knowledge sharing." mean and what does it have to do with protests about a poor economy? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Pathetic boosterism. -- Sca (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree with regard to this particular sentence, which I have just removed along with making a few other improvements to the article. Overall however it is well-sourced, and tone fails such as this are the exception; the main issue seems to me that it is a bit too detailed, but that isn't a dealbreaker regarding ITN. By the way, the same article was already featured on ITN back in April (with regard to a different event). Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely notable and will be ITN/R when they do resign. Added an altblurb. Third PM to be in the news in three days, who knows what will happen tomorrow? Davey2116 (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it doesn't, and to the two shocked supporters above this is why it's not been posted yet. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Can we tweak the blurb to reflect the latest developments? Gotabaya has resigned now. India Today. Wickremesinghe despite promising to resign, now act like a dictator. Imposed curfew, islandwide invocation of the state of emergency, giving power to the police and army to curb protest by any means. He has informed the speaker that he will resign only after the parliament elect a new president and a PM. So let's say "Wickremesinghe was appointed as the acting president"?--Chanaka L (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Hugh Evans (basketball)

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(RD Posted) RD/Blurb: Luis Echeverría

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  • Oppose on quality Article needs A LOT of ref work before debate can begin. I'll try fixing it, but might need some help. Once issues have been addressed, I can support a blurb. Support blurb Article in good state. He was president during a controversial period in Mexico, accused of war crimes and nearly charged for genocide. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb, support RD - We don't blurb every head of state, and ought not to normalise that, that would turn ITN into an obituary wall.... If the blurb only reads «Former (insert political position) (insert politician name) dies at the age of (insert age).» the blurb isn't adding anything that a RD doesn't already do. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  03:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Sirico

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(Closed) Musk cancels Twitter purchase

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Oppose and honestly a perfect example why I feel like the shouldn't have run this in the first place, its better to post these kind of things when the deal closes. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  03:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Lenny Von Dohlen

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(Blurb posted) RD/Blurb: José Eduardo dos Santos

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Oppose blurb, Support RD when ready Needs a lot of sourcing, particularly the awards section. Nothing really blurb worthy, he died of old age. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  17:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb This is a clear-cut case. He spent 38 years in office as a president of a country where the title unifies the head of state and head of government, ended a 26-year long civil war and implemented significant economic reforms.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If he really ended the war, his bio should say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb when ready A country's long-serving former leader, who led the country through a long war that received extensive international attention, who is clearly transformative enough in that country's history to blurb his death. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • What a terrible argument. The Queen has been Queen for 70 years simply because she happened to be born to someone who was royalty. George W. Bush, in contrast, was elected to his position, twice. But that doesn't matter, all former heads of states who pass away should be blurbed, in my opinion. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If we did that, we would be blurbing them on a weekly basis.... ITN/RD guidelines specifically state that if a person is more known for what they did in life then it's better to put it as a RD link. Also news of his death is pretty burried in today's headlines with everything else going on. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  04:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb -- I will support blurbing the death of all former heads of state or heads of government. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Longtime leader during a transformative period for both his country and Africa as a whole. The Kip (talk) 07:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Blurb An old unpopular man known for staying low-key while his people suffer dies privately of nothing in particular in a fancy foreign hospital and that supplants a filmed assassination with a bizarre newfangled weapon for still unfolding reasons because they were both nominal national leaders? If so, I resign in disgust. If not, we part amicably! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    this is exactly how the ITN doesn't work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Judging from your opening comment, misattributing three farfetched statements to the nominator, I doubt you understand my reasons, either. But whatever. You lean your way and I'll stand by mine. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    when I talk about what the nominator says I clearly mean "longest serving president of an African country" ("second longest serving president in Africa"), but okay. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By calling that one factual description "reasons", then adding two of your own assumptions after a colon, you sure had me fooled. Oh well. Shame on me! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality The article does not explain what impact he has. It has one short paragraph about economy and once sentence that he allowed foreign investment. Otherwise it is just a bunch of stuff about not having elections and corruption. Not sure how he is transformative then unless he we are considering him as a successful looter. There is basically nothing on his policies Bumbubookworm (talk) 09:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    this is kinda how I feel too... Being a corrupt long term dictator doesn't sound sound particularly transformative. He ain't no Nelson Mandela for his country. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  09:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We don’t post blurbs only for democratic leaders. Mugabe got one for spending 30 years as an authoritarian president of Zimbabwe. So, why should a former president of Angola, a country comparable in size to Zimbabwe with a much larger economy, who spent more years in office and ended a civil war not get one? I sincerely hope the reason isn’t an English-centric bias because Zimbabwe is an English-speaking country and a former British colony.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the only reasons we post blurbs for people whose death itself is not a media event are peer pressure, show of respect or acknowledgment of the reported best in a business. Honoring Mugabe was disgusting. This doesn't have to be. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no bias at least I don't want there to be one. But we also didn't blurb leaders like Leonid Kravchuk or Stanislav Shushkevich who led their countries independence as well precisely because they didn't do much as leader themselves aside from lead independence. Mugabe pushed through a lot of economic reforms in his country (among other controversial policies) that he is well famous for. If we go by the same standard, what did this guy do other than make peace with some rebels, cling on to power, and syphon money from his country? 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  10:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This guy implemented more important economic reforms than Mugabe, which made Angola one of the leading oil-producing countries in Africa and secured long-term economic development through a free-market liberal economy, and this is well documented in the article. Have you read the article at all?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    He did not make peace with any rebels. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair Stanislav Shushkevich's article was not in good quality (ref work) to even be posted. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Our criteria says major figures are blurbed in rare cases. This for me is not one of those. In general I do not support blurbs of "life as the main story" world leaders as RD is sufficient. Of course a dictator who clung onto power for a long time did a lot of things to the country, but it is not blurb-worthy in my opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD posted No consensus for blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting blurb support now that the article meets the basic quality requirements. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Template:Ping Could you please explain how there's no consensus for a blurb here? Most of the oppose votes come from people who have apparently not read the article to get familiar with the person's legacy and use ill-founded arguments that the person was authoritarian and corrupt (not to mention that the opposition is a clear minority per WP:NOTVOTE). You may want to re-consider your decision. Thanks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really helpful to make sweeping statements about those who did not agree with you. 2A02:908:675:8D00:40B2:2704:9CF8:457A (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure. In assessing the !votes, it's not my place to interpret the article or research his legacy. I'm not !voting, I'm determining consensus of the !voters, and they don't seem to be nefarious to compel me to !vote myself. ITN discussions are a bit more wide open than say XfDs, where consensus is weighed against existing guidelines. WP:ITN itself says: Template:Tq2 While there was a narrow majority to post a blurb, it was not strong enough for me to post the blurb. Regards—Bagumba (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply If it's not your place to interpret the article or research his legacy, you won't be able to evaluate the arguments made in the discussion, so it's better to refrain from making decisions based on superficial examination of the matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You seem to be telling me to WP:SUPERVOTE or otherwise to excuse myself. No. But the discussion has not been capped, and another admin might have a different opinion. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – RD appropriate, but the subject doesn't seem quite 'transformative' despite his lengthy (and controversial) career. – Sca (talk) 14:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that the tired refrain of "old man dies" was sufficient to tip the balance away from posting a blurb, given the immense legacy of this particular world leader.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb honestly, if we're posting a blurb for a death, the news at least has to be talking about the person that died. I have seen no coverage of Santos' death on any news websites, so the only criteria is whether their life was transformative enough for a blurb, which I don't think this qualifies for. AryKun (talk) 15:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You've apparently missed this excellent obituary published by the BBC in which you can find exactly what you state that you've not seen.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (CNN) (Reuters) (Time) (Washington Post) (Bloomberg) (The New York Times) (BBC) You're welcome. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And none of those are front page news, or anywhere close to front page news, which is what I would expect for a death blurb. Obviously they cover the fact that he died, that's their job. But they clearly do not think BBC has an obituary for Tony Sirico more prominently featured than Santos'. Reuters puts both Sirico and Luis Echeverria ahead of Santos. A death blurb is not a some way to gauge how much an impact someone had while living, that's what RD is for. ITN blurbs is only for deaths that are actually in the news, like Shinzo Abe's is. AryKun (talk) 16:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This isn't a discussion to determine whether Santos was more notable than Sirico or Echeverria. Those two should be discussed separately from this one.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no requirement for death blurbs to be front page news (or for any news topic). Masem (t) 17:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He wasn't just HoS for a long time; he lead his country for most of its history. The changes in Angola were massive in this time, and he was a key party to all of them. The burden of proof here is clearly on the opposition, and they do not appear to be presenting any argument at all. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely not. The norm is to put a recent death in the RD section, which is what I think should happen here. The burden is on supporters to say why we should make an exception here. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If someone is transformative, then the article should clearly elucidate what their impact was, or what their technical innovations were etc. If there is no clear argument in the article then either subject is not transformative, or the article does not cover the key points. No clear elucidation of his impact is given at all Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's inconceivable someone could have read this article and come away with that impression that he was not transformative. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per Great Caesar's Ghost. He was president for nearly all of the country's independent history, going from the Cold War to economic liberalisation, and was also notable for intervention in Zaire/DRC. Debates on which of the lesser UK/US/Canada etc leaders deserve blurbs can wait for another day. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb—The most significant political figure in Angolan history, for better or for worse. Angola is a large nation straddling the southern and central regions of the African continent, with a population of around 33 million people. I feel that Dos Santos easily merits a blurb. Kurtis (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He was the country's president for nearly 40 consecutive years. There's no shot that we'd be debating blurbing a head of state or government who served that long in a more well-known country. For what it's worth, it seems that the supports here vastly outweigh the opposes, but it is still a bit disappointing to see all the dismissive and unconstructive comments along the lines of "just an old man who died"  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, that is the hook of the blurb. No cause, no consequences, no celebrated deeds or term length. Purely his age. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Then maybe we need to find a different blurb that doesn't just read "old man dies"? If we are going to death blurb someone, I feel like the blurb at least needs to explain what about the death was significant. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  03:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Add something like "President of Angola from 1979 to 2017 and MPLA leader during the Angolan Civil War" to the blurb? This extra clause at least brings up both his long rule and the main event that incurred his transformativeness. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Tried writing an altblurb myself. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It explains nothing about why his recent death matters, but says more about his life, so kudos. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Ping Is there a way to post this blurb already? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support on the assumption that the article is expanded and we know more about Abe's condition. Gust Justice (talk) 03:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak oppose There's a significant gap between him retiring from the Cougars and moving into a retirement home, other than a vague reference to co-owning the team. Is there any more that can be said? Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please verify and confirm stats table for the 1962–63 season. The data in the table do not seem to be supported by either of the sources as footnoted at the end of the stats table. Nor is this season mentioned in the prose of this wikibio. Perhaps that row should not be there? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 06:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose for now neither this is official/formal nor he is resigning as PM until autumn (this is what’s ITNR). We need to do as we have always done here: wait for the new PM to be appointed and mention in the blurb that his/her predecessor resigned due to a scandal. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The claim that that's what "we have always done here" is clearly false, as shown below.
A main purpose of ITN is "to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news", meaning that the timing should be determined by coverage in (reliable) news sources - not by when individual Wikipedia editors' tastes for ceremonial formality are fully satisfied. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But they resigned as prime minister. BJ hasn't.Polyamorph (talk) 09:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at the links? May also had not yet resigned as PM, she remained in office for two more months after her announcement was featured in ITN. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did look at the links but didn't realise it was 2 months (I know it was given in the link text so should have realised). Ok please disregard! Polyamorph (talk) 10:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he formally announces it. I view this as an edge case. Typically we only post items whenever a leader is elected or takes office, not merely whenever someone announces their resignation. As @Davey2116 also points out, whether or not to post this would depend on the extent of coverage in reliable sources. Gust Justice (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support once we get an official announcement. We don't need to wait for the endless Tory leadership contest to drag out to post this, it's in the news everywhere now. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
btw, 2022 United Kingdom government crisis could also be linked in a blurb on this. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Strikethrough The Kip (talk) 09:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to support on formal announcement as per below. The Kip (talk) 09:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hear a politician named Allen Key will be heavily involved. Hope they do a good job constructing the cabinet, lest it collapse without warning in a few months. Davey2116 (talk) 10:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They'd be wise to adopt the Swedish model: "A child of 6 could assemble"... ah, maybe not. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Any way you look at it he loses. -- Sca (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good old Billy. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As of right now he has only resigned the party leadership, not his prime ministership (at least not initially), can post once a new prime minister is chosen, and it would qualify under ITN/R criteria. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  12:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He is still Prime Minister and there is no successor for now. And after 4 weeks we will post the same story Shadow4dark (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a very small price to pay for ITN capturing what is obviously a very newsworthy story at the absolute pinnacle of its importance to the U.K. and to the rest of the world, much the same way we post U.S. business deals/mergers/acquisitions as they are announced and not after all the SEC paperwork is filled out and completed. We would look damn foolish still having a headline up about a national hockey championship that happened three weeks ago, when the rest of the world has already moved on to bigger fish. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not national, it's the world's biggest event in club ice hockey and the championship of the world's strongest league and the Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnepeg. Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal teams are all Canadian. Perhaps Niagara Falls, Canada and Windsor, Canada support Buffalo and Detroit respectively. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, the point is that we should be posting items that are in the news now, for the sake of avoiding the appearance of stagnation and complacency on a publicly visible section of the main page. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, 3 weeks is very long. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support Yeah this should be posted when it's in the news, that's when it's the most useful. There really is no point otherwise.
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  • Support per Sca, and support altblurb2. Jusdafax (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Resignation announcement is significant itself. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 12:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Resignations in ITN: United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron announces his resignation after the United Kingdom votes to leave the European Union. British Prime Minister Theresa May, under pressure over her handling of Brexit, announces her intention to resign. Grimes2 (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unconditional support This is literally all over the place in the news and one of the more significant developments of Johnson's time as prime minister. "wait for the replacement" is just needless bureaucratic delay. I'll note that May's resignation was posted - and that one happened far less dramatically than this one. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - when a new PM is installed then as a new government head sure, but right now this is local politics. nableezy - 13:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: in the past, we haven’t waited until January 6th to declare a US presidential election for one candidate or another; we’ve done it as soon as it was called (last year’s insurrection notwithstanding). Sceptre (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You're not the first to make the comparison. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Did I miss an election here? Or even an announcement of a new PM? nableezy - 13:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And did I miss the discussion where we decided that highly significant developments that are in the news no longer get featured on this page?  — Amakuru (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I dont see how this is a highly significant development outside of the UK. But the argument I was responding to was we announced electoral victories when they happen, and that is not the case here. But as ever, ITN continues as one last English colony. Some minor country has, yet again, seen a PM not finish their term. Rush to ITN commence. nableezy - 15:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Casting the UK as a “minor country” is perhaps wishful thinking when squared up against the fact the UK remains a nuclear power with a permanent Security Council seat, and one of the world’s largest economies. This news item is the largest, or second-largest, item of the websites of a whole bunch of newspapers of record. Also, casting ITN as a English colony is pretty a cute line, but fails against the reality that a collegiate basketball tournament in America is on ITNR but a major international tournament in the world’s most popular sport isn’t. Sceptre (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Being a Free Mason used to be indicative of some importance too. This aint 1948 anymore and the UNSC permanent seats system in which the victors of WWII now and forever have a veto right over international peace and security is sillier than how the arguments about "This news item is the largest, or second-largest, item of the websites of a whole bunch of newspapers of record" applies to any number of events but are routinely shot down here because oh it happened in the US. As far as economies, the UK is responsible for about 2% of world GDP. The GDP of a single American city compares. So yeah, minor. And almost routine, given this is what the third straight PM to resign? nableezy - 18:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, pretty sure Cameron, May and Johnson are all straight. Just varying numbers of kids. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. May never known to be a Freemason.[reply]
    There is a moralistic fallacy in what you’re saying, though; just because you may wish the UK was seen as a "minor country" doesn’t mean that it is. Despite Johnson and co's attempts to the contrary, the UK still does have some relevancy (although, I grant you, the days of being a superpower died in the Suez 70 years ago). It's not for us to say something isn’t significant when it very clearly is. Sceptre (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC) By the way, Template:U, May can’t have been a Freemason; she’s a woman.[reply]
    Is she? Oh damn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's kind of funny that Sceptre used basically the same argument I did before I deleted my post with a "Never mind". 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I'm an American and am the one who proposed this blurb, as it is ITN (and I happened to be awake when his resignation was announced). I don't see this as any different than if the President of the United States announced his resignation. We'd blurb that too. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 19:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb it’s succinct. Trillfendi (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb, reflects a major UK news story that has received international coverage. The alternative blurb gives the most accurate and concise summary of these significant events that have been built up to for some time. SoThisIsPeter (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as it's in the news now. Don't see any reason to wait until the new PM, which will be several weeks away at least.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - important global news, significant in itself; "local politics" or "wait until new PM" arguments just seem silly here; this is a dramatic development (big Cabinet revolt) in a P5 member state. Neutralitytalk 14:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per precedent (Theresa May) and the fact that this story is front page news globally (and will be far bigger news that his successor being appointed). Most of the Oppose comments are quite weak, but without banging the US-centric drum again I think it's fairly obvious that, say, a US President resigning after a third of his government resigned en masse would be posted in around five minutes. Black Kite (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. I am not sure if the alt is better but the headlines say "Johnson resigns", so that's the story. --Tone 14:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting question So from now on, the argument that "there is a precedent" is already valid? Recall that this argument was rejected in multiple previous nominations. Or is it only so when it is arbitrarily decided? This is a serious question. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a reason why precedence is such a prominent feature of common-law courts: it's a great way of ensuring fairness in similar cases. ITN really should adopt something like it for that exact reason. I'd go so far as to say that it'd be useful in adjudicating all disputes at Wikipedia. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe precedence is a bad concept (and live in a civil law country), why should we be bound to previous decisions that may have been wrong? Especially for ITN, there are no fixed laws, it soley depends on the prevailing opinion in the people that chose to involve themselves at that time point. Chaosquo (talk) 06:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be better. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think so too. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have one of him holding a microphone, a'la Fernando Lugo? 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In his case, a bull-horn might be more appropriate. -- Sca (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(NYT hed: "Boris Johnson’s Lies Worked for Years, Until They Didn’t")
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  • Post-posting Support Given my previous opposition on posting various aspects of this crisis, this is definitely the point that such a posting is appropriate. Presumably there will another ITN when the new Prime Minister is chosen. Nfitz (talk) 08:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There are several sentences that aren't cited or properly cited, particularly in Biography section. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello there. Thanks for this note. Can you add Template:Cn or other tags as necessary where citations are missing? Like I said, I have been busy and have not had a chance to work this article but the article looked reasonable on a superficial glance. Ktin (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Probably best to wait until something more significant happens i.e. The PM resigns/is ousted. Furthermore, consider removing the section in the blurb about the Pincher scandal, although some resignations are probably related to this, it is probably a clumination of this plus Partygate and the Second Jobs scandal TRAVBRUHH (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If only Boris had a second job lined up. I hear the Carlton Club is looking for a door supervisor. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Not worthy of being posted on its own, but would be if it leads to a change in government. Gust Justice (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait He's under pressure to resign, but if he ignores this pressure, then this is just another item on the growing list of Johnson scandals. We'll have to wait and see what happens.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until and unless the PM resigns and there's a new PM, in which case ITNR new head of government. -- KTC (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close for now it's the typical government crisis that happens in a country. And it's neither the only one nor the most exceptional. What is truly ITNR is whether Johnson ends up resigning and a new PM is appointed. So this nomination must be closed until Johnson quits, if it happens. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: is this even an option? If one dislikes a nomination enough, can one disrupt the process by demanding discussion is halted until a point he deems convenient? complainer 08:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • With so much coverage missing from this stubby wikibio, there is no point in thinking about any rule-bending to let this late nom through. After adding the prose on his coaching the North Stars and working as GM in Minnesota, we'll also need prose on his work as GM in Vancouver. That's three big sections missing! Have fun writing about the Neely-Wesley giveaway. I know some Canuck fans who are still upset about that lopsided trade with Boston decades later.... --PFHLai (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as the text is one paragraph, and article has two sources. Much more that can be said about him. Note, as there were more than 2 days between his date of death and announcement date, this won't go stale until a week after the date of announcement. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Is there any coverage besides career in AHL? The article is stubby and NOT ready for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There are several sentences that aren't cited or properly cited, particularly in Biography section. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello there. Thanks for this note. Can you add Template:Cn or other tags as necessary where citations are missing? Like I said, I have been busy and have not had a chance to work this article but the article looked reasonable on a superficial glance. Ktin (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support The article is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support - Honestly I really think Sri Lanka's economic crisis needs to be included in ongoing, and I would prefer that over blurbing this specifically, cause its in the news, and keeps coming up. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  15:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I could support this, but the article is in poor shape with an orange tag, many inline tags, and there doesn't appear to be an update, merely saying that the bill is due in July. The timeline section ends at May. This will be a long haul to get into shape. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality article is orange-tagged as POV. It cannot be posted until that is fixed. That being said, a country declaring bankruptcy is unusual, so might be ITN worthy if article is fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In principle this is an important and blurb-worthy story, but it's not clear if this is the right moment and the article needs substantial work. There are NPOV and failed verification tags, the whole text could do with a careful copyedit, and some parts seem to be out of date. The most recent events mentioned are from 22 June, which is too stale for ITN. Worse, the actual news from 5 July just seems to be the PM using the word 'bankrupt' when describing negotiations with the IMF - that's not a formal declaration and it isn't clear how much worse it is than the previous announcement of debt default. Overall, I think a better option would be to put this in ongoing once the article has been cleaned up - which will be quite a bit of work. Modest Genius talk 15:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think is important to show the crisis of Sri Lanka because it is worst every day and it is very related to other social crisis that right now are happening Federizaguirre (talk) 18:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A country going bankrupt is significant. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - Lacks significance, better as a fact for DYK. Also the article doesn't even mention this fact, even in the section titled "Sales". 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  13:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the article to reflect the above information. Carter00000 (talk) 13:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm expanding it further Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose I second YD407OTZ. It's too early after the incident, and information is lacking. AkiraRorschach (talk) 18:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Frequent, regularly occurring and predictable events are not significant.
  • Comment If I had to guess, both this and the Copenhagen proposed blurb are going to be closed without consensus developing to post. Maybe it's a good idea to prematurely close them both now, so we don't end up slinging mud at each other. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 18:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support despite the proclivity for gun violence in the US, believe it or not we do not often have sniper shootings. This is significant and receiving a lot of worldwide coverage and the article is well written. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:46, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Probably not a worthy thing to say but realistically... nobody outside of America would be interested (nor surprised) in seeing another shooting in the US. I'm personally kinda bored of seeing these kinds of news.
Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, except that Punjab is by far the most populous Pakistani province. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When your inconvenienced governor Pritzker says, as he did yesterday, "While we celebrate the Fourth of July just once a year, mass shootings have become our weekly – yes, weekly – American tradition," I'm guessing that he might just come down on the "Oppose" side here. That is, unless he'd favour seeing a story like this on our front page every week just to, y'know, increase the coverage of a neglected part of the world. Ericoides (talk) 05:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with this assessment (partially because it's true). Most of Wikipedia's readership is from the United States. If this were, say, Swahili Wikipedia, sure, this would be a much different conversation. But this incident is large enough that it should warrant a mention, regardless of death toll, and it's relevant to a lot of people. WP:WAX does absolutely apply here, as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • By all means suggest an American Wikipedia which could cater for the never-ending stream of US mass shooting nominations without hesitation. This, English language Wikipedia, and its news section, really needs to remember it's part of an encyclopedia. I very much doubt that 99% of the mass shootings that take place in the US would make it into an encyclopedia of world events. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Too late for an American Wiki. The Serene Court is happily dismantling much that made the U.S. the world's "last best hope," presaging its demise. -- Sca (talk) 14:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The 1% of them that lead the headlines across the country do. Much like my plan to enforce secession on the South (but keep Arizona for the Grand Canyon), I dont think Ill be able to get an American Wikipedia, but I do think this instinctive "shootings are routine in the US" from an overrepresented segment of the community is doing a disservice to our readers. Which I thought is what we were here for. nableezy - 14:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are correct about the tone of some Oppose votes, but that comes with the territory. It is not our purpose here to bloviate "thoughts and prayers" like politicians. We understand that all massacres are tragic, but the discussion at ITNC (not ITN) should center on significance per our standards. This necessarily requires an editor to diminish seemingly important events. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, "lead the headlines" is just another word for tabloidism when it comes to mass shootings I'm afraid. I suggest we're close to having a separate ticker for "mass shootings in the US" if we open the floodgates and allow this to become American Wikipedia. People just make up bizarre intersections to somehow "ennoble" these routine events, and its pitiful really, and harmful to an eneyclopedic endeavour. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cant understand how of all places "In the news" does not "lead [with] the headlines". Yes, not every mass shooting in the US should be included. That doesnt mean that this one should not be included. There are a bunch of reasons this one is "in the news" more so than other shootings in Chicago, some of them racist, some of them classist, some of them just at the shock of it occurring at a Fourth of July parade. But regardless of why one of those stories carried the headlines across the country, it did. That, to me at least, means it should be "in the news" here as well. nableezy - 14:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can feel that way, but the coverage of it indicates that it is indeed shocking. At least to the largest represented country, by a long shot, our readers hail from. But, again, that overrepresented group of editors here created an inherent hostility to coverage of anything American, especially this. nableezy - 14:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is an odd reading of while Monday's shooting outside Chicago was unexpected. Yes, another mass shooting anywhere in the US will likely occur sometime this week if not today. But that does not mean that this one, widely covered across the world (see BBC, Guardian, AFP, ...), is not significant. You know how many non-Europeans give a half a shit about Eurovision? About three. Still on here every year. nableezy - 14:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I noted, the ESC is INTR, feel free to nominate its removal. Mass shootings happen every week in the US, there's nothing remarkable about them until they rise to the grim level of Uvalde or similar. This one is run of the mill, tragic as it is, and I bet $100 we'll see another one in the next two weeks with a similar or worse death toll. It's not surprising ever, it is occasionally shocking, but not really to those of outside the US. Sorry about that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Janusz Kupcewicz

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  • Update I've majorly expanded and sourced it. All the information needed is in the references, I know there's more placing of them to do to the prose. The club career needs to be expanded and the politician career needs to be added and sources found for that.Abcmaxx (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Citations are still needed. Expansion would be good too, but it is minimally long enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update Did so much to expand and reference this, every single thing is referenced with WP:RS, all aspects of his life and death have been noted, and I believe this should be more than enough to post now.Abcmaxx (talk) 01:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice expansion from 84 words to almost 800 words in about one day. This is obviously long enough to qualify now. No concerns regarding formatting and deployment of footnotes. (I gotta AGF all the non-English sources.) This is READY for RD to me. One small issue: The "Hairdresser" corruption scandal seems out of place in a section with "Legacy" in the header, and there isn't much info on this story. Can this be elaborated either in the article or in the linked article? Perhaps "Death and legacy" can be re-named "Personal life" and expanded to include info on birth (a good place to put a footnote for the DoB), upbringing and where he resided during his retirement before he died, etc.? Then this "scandal" would not look too out of place. --PFHLai (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Polish Wikipedia is much better on this topic which has been widely studied and written about. In a nutshell; the 70s-80s "Poland's golden squad" went onto running Polish football and its FA. In 2004 a man nickname "Fryzjer" ("hairdresser") was prosecuted for corruption and buying matches; turns out that the golden generation started and facilitated essentially a massive fraudulent and corrupt match-fixing mafia where the FA, and nearly every club player and coach in Poland for the last 30 years was involved. This guy was in that group, close associate of Lato, Boniek and Forbrich (the "hairderesser", ring-leader), and was almost certainly a central figure. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation, Abcmaxx. Sounds like an interesting story that should be elaborated in Football in Poland#Corruption in Polish football, which is already linked from this wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It should be a standalone article ideally as on Polish wiki, which arguably could be split into more sub-articles, with the "hairdresser list" article" and an article on the man himself, all missing from English Wikipedia sadly. I shall do my best to try and rectify this one day, but as you can image, it took long enough just to get this RD up to scratch, never mind such a vast topic which could span easily a whole cluster of articles.Abcmaxx (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Take your time, if you plan to work on that. For this particular wikibio, something to explain what the "Hairdresser corruption scandal" refers to would be helpful. As a reader, I was a little lost and frustrated there after clicking the wikilink and not getting any relevant info. Some info for readers unfamiliar with the scandal would be nice. --PFHLai (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can we post this RD though before it becomes stale? Abcmaxx (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking/Waiting for support votes from (uninvolved) editors. --PFHLai (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Candidates Tournament 2022

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  • Comment - there's some doubt about whether he actually will face Carlsen. Carlsen has previously said that he won't defend his title unless it's against Alireza Firouzja.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, well-referenced and comprehensive – however, because it is not certain that Carlsen will defend his title, maybe the last four words "to face Magnus Carlsen" should be removed. (If Carlsen refuses to defend his title, the regulations state that Nepomniachtchi will face whoever takes 2nd in the Candidates, so he will be playing regardless.) Double sharp (talk) 07:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - do we normally post these in addition to the World Chess Championship? -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think so. I just looked at ITN after the last three candidates and saw no sign we posted them. I'd suggest this doesn't rise to the level of significance for posting, (also not seeing much coverage in mainstream news outside of dedicated chess sites) and if we add anything then it should be the world rapid and blitz rather than this, which is just a ticket to a greater event...  — Amakuru (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose firstly, not convinced this is ITN-worthy, as it isn't covered highly in mainstream sources (in their main news article sections). Secondly, the article has a lot of information on how people qualified for the event, which is fine, but only a table of results for the actual matches themselves. As with many sports articles, needs more prose about the event itself to meet the article quality threshold. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb amendment stroke to face Magnus Carlsen from the blurb as per above comments as not confirmed yet. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a big development is a widely covered sport/competition. I'm not convinced that the fact lots of news outlets bypassed this is a valid argument; lots of very significant events get missed all the time depending on where in the world you are. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per my comments above and Joseph2302. I follow developments in the chess world quite closely, so I was aware of this happening, but I think it's wider significance is not huge - it's a stepping stone to a very big event, in the world championship, but only that. We don't post the AFC Championship Game in American football for example, which is the gateway to the Super Bowl, or the 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification. I also think the omission of the story from mainstream media as a "breaking news" item is significant (most will probably cover it next weekend in their weekly chess sections). If they don't cover it then that means the world at large has deemed it not so significant, and it is WP:UNDUE and WP:OR to say we should be covering it. Finally, per Joseph, there will need to be prose added for the event itself it it's to meet the quality bar.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It doesn’t make a lot of sense to post the qualifying tournament when we will post the actual event when it occurs, subject to quality. Also, as the full template has not been used (who is the nominator?) there has been no evidence of news coverage provided, which is s requirement. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Not noticeably in the news. – Sca (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I understand why this was nominated, which is reasonable, and it has received media coverage (contrary to some of the comments above). But fundamentally it's the qualifying tournament for the world championship; we should post the latter instead, when it occurs. WP:ITNR has an average of 1.5 chess stories per year, plus we've posted additional blurbs when there has been a new world number one in the rankings. That seems about right for the level of public interest, so I don't see a need to post additional tournaments. Modest Genius talk 12:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    PS. I expect there will be more mainstream media reports once the tournament ends tomorrow. Currently Nepomniachtchi has an unassailable lead and has finished his matches, but there are a few others still to play their last games. Modest Genius talk 12:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I feel like this is akin to posting the semi-finals of the FIFA World Cup. Sure, it's super notable in its own right, and in the news, but it's a part of a more newsworthy topic. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Given that it's only a qualifying competition for a larger tournament Carter00000 (talk) 12:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Clifford Alexander Jr.

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Support This is ready to go. The lead it is a little bit short, but it is still enough. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Irving Abella

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(Posted) RD: Idelisa Bonnelly

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(Closed) Russian Capture of the Luhansk Oblast

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  • Oppose the war is at ongoing, and we don't need to post every single event that happens in the war. Because ITN is not a news ticker for the war. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • While I agree that ITN should not be a ticker for the conflict (as it would likely be quickly overwhelmed), the capture of a whole Oblast is a major milestone in Russia's stated aims for the conflict. Carter00000 (talk) 16:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support One of the major aims of Russia is reached. Hope they will stop the war now. Grimes2 (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hoping against hope?
    Like other recent Soviet, I mean Russian, captures of Ukrainian cities, this one doesn't seem pivotal or unexpected. -- Sca (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If they do stop the war, or at least halt is with a temporary ceasefire, that would be worth posting on ITN. But speculating it may happen is not a reason to post this. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The only time they'll stop is when they've grabbed all they can get. -- Sca (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, The war is ongoing and this does not seem to be a turning point. Alex-h (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Lysychansk is not particularly more important than, say Severodonetsk or Mariupol. Juxlos (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous opposition. – Sca (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support this is the kind of significant strategic update that is worth consideration beyond ongoing (as was Mariupol). The article is about the city of Lysychansk but it's clear from reliable sources that Russia now controls the entire oblast. Given that Russias main objective seems to be the Donbas this actually feels like a important albeit grim milestone. Weak because I'm not sure the proposed target article highlights the scope of the territory lost. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose covered by ongoing, and not a particularly notable capture. I would be open to blurbing if/when Russia succeeds in capturing the full Donbas region (i.e. Donetsk + Luhansk oblasts), as that was one of their stated initial goals. YD407OTZ (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose they started in 2014, its of no significant importance to the wider conflict and they only captured the last settlement as a result of a tactical retreat rather than any conquest, which means this is going to change so many times still. Also they have not "captured" anything; occupation is not the same as full control, at the moment even in Kherson which has been occupied since February they have not had full control yet. Furthermore the LPR isn't a real state, it's puppet quasi-state through Russian invention and we should be careful how we word these blurbs.Abcmaxx (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and article quality, but rephrase blurb. With respect to notability, this is a major development in the Russo-Ukrainian war (it's a clear and stated goal of the Russian Federation) and the region itself is larger by landmass than fifty sovereign states. The argument above that "this does not seem to be a turning point" is something that we can only really evaluate by looking into a crystal ball, which of course we can't. We don't need to post every event in the war, but we should post the significant ones such as when an entire Oblast falls. The article also seems to be in good enough shape to post. That being said, it might be better to say Template:Tqb than the current blurb; most sources seem to be framing it this way rather than crediting the LPR with taking the city. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I won't go as far as some of the above commentary to presume the significance of this event (apparently ITN/C seems to be full of military strategists), but ongoing should cover most of what's going on here.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Major milestone in the invasion, especially with an unrecognized state (the Luhansk People's Republic) capturing all of its claimed territories. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 19:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose So far there is no concrete indication this is actually an important milestone for anyone, and it is covered by the ongoing article. Yakikaki (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: James M. Bardeen

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(Posted) 2022 Karakalpak protests

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Support Original blurb, it is in the news and article seems fine, so really no complaints there. I find that the alt blurbs are too wordy though. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  13:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, A major event, and article is good. Alex-h (talk) 16:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for quality typical disaster stub. The protests section itself is very short the infobox claims 18 killed and the article simply references non-specific "protesters had attempted to storm government buildings". Did the deaths occur while storming a government building or during the protests the day before? Which government building(s)? Needs a lot more detail to be MP ready. Assuming they were killed protesting and not while unlawfully storming a government building then support any blurb which excludes the word "deadly". Just do our standard "At least X people are killed during Y in Z place" that we use for all the disaster stubs. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. There is consensus that this can be promoted. I needed a replacement item for the 2022 San Antonio trailer deaths article as that is in a state of mess. This seemed the best one on offer. -- Schwede66 01:21, 2022 July 5 (UTC)
    • Wait what? You pulled an article that's fine except for needing some expansion on the "investigation" which is ongoing and replaced it with a piece of trash that doesn't even explain where these supposed 18 casualties took place? How does that make sense? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Copenhagen shooting

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We don't post US shootings with death tolls this low. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have an agreed global number, or does it vary by country? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the UK, five. In the U.S. 50. -- Sca (talk) 13:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is exactly my point. In the US, three people being shot in a mall is "just another Monday" (a dog biting a man, if you so wish). But it's not in Denmark. PS: Denmark has only 1.5% of the population that the US has, so three people dead there would equal ~200 dead in the US. That is, if one were measuring news by the amount of people dead alone. *shrug* Regards SoWhy 13:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of population density Denmark is ranked 92 (346 per sqmi), but US is ranked 185 (88 per sqmi). So theoretically it's much easier to kill more people, from a single shooting point, in Denmark than in the US? But I guess shopping malls may be equally crowded in both countries. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And in Ukraine. -- Sca (talk) 15:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support In principle, once destubbed. The last time anything on this scale happened in Denmark was in 2015 and before that you would have go to the 1985 Copenhagen bombings, clearly a significant event, given it's wide-ranging media coverage. Comparing this to a random US shooting is a stupid comparison. 🌈  4🧚‍♂am KING 👑  13:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I would like to support this item, but almost 24 hours after its nomination, all I see is a bare bones stub article and the typical ITNC nonsense about how this one is notable and American shootings are not because of statistics and other unhelpful remarks. Say what you will about American shootings, our nominated ITNC articles are fleshed out by this point. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Weak support per Praxidicae below. It's nearly beyond a stub now but really should be better than this by now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support significant event that has worldwide coverage but I wish the article were significantly better quality. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment have added some more content, way better than a stub now, and I believe it has sufficient article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak-to-modest Support on the basis that this is a major event in a local (and European) context. Quantitatively, this is not "major" by global standards, but that this was the "largest mass shooting in the country's history" is noteworthy. Not often news gets to say "most deadly". Template:U's point about "man bites dog" is well-taken too. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's tied with the 2015 one for deaths, but smaller in wounded, area, duration, guns and information. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Only two were murdered in 2015. Nfitz (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and three were shot to death. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - rare event with significant international coverage. I can't find any mention of a similar death toll this century (or last century to be honest). Nfitz (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is nowhere near good enough to be posted. Notability is questionable unless there are any new significant developments, which would need to be added to the article Belugsump (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a globally significant event. Can someone explain why the 2022 Oslo shooting was posted, but not this one? Thriley (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oslo shooting was an act of terrorism against a gay pride parade. What the hell is "globally significant" anyway and where do the guidelines stipulate it as a requirement? I keep hearing about it but on one can tell me what it means. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exotic demographics aside, that one also had over 20 victims. But this one might still be posted, too. For being Danish, if anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd say any country that has the deadliest mass shooting since World War II is globally significant. We posted ITNs from other countries, that aren't even the biggest shooting of the month - let alone century. Nfitz (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I already told you three people were killed in the one 70 years after the war, so I doubt that will change your mind, but will still tell you again. If we start disqualifying legally excusable killings, that'll drastically lessen the impact of military showdown, protest crackdown and psychotic breakdown blurbs. You want that? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It would seem rather poor form to be including the death of the shooter in the number of deaths in order to elevate the significance of a mass shooting. Particularly when the death toll isn't final yet. Nfitz (talk) 23:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not about elevating significance, it's about reflecting reality. Death is the great equalizer, bullets don't care and sometimes those who live by the gun die by the gun. February 15, 2015, was one of those times and that article's infobox uses the standard inclusive form of basic human accounting to say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, sorry to be callous and of course it's a tragedy, but the death toll is quite low so doesn't seem significant in the long run. And just because it's a country with few guns, doesn't mean we automatically post.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, crime with a relatively low death toll. Sandstein 08:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Miguel Etchecolatz

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The article is well-referenced as a whole with no noticable issues except for the first paragraph in the Return to democracy section, which doesn't have a citation (particularly the bit about him being sentenced to 23 years). Overall I would say I support the RD but only on the condition that this is changed. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - No doubt this article has any issues. But additions are required as per Dunutubble's request.
Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is the citation I've added sufficient? --VersaceSpace 🌃 01:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alain de Cadenet

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[Attention, please.] RD: Dmitry Kolker

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  • Comment: The Russian wiki may have some information that could be used to expand the article,, including an image. Article also has a bare url and is still stub tagged. Anarchyte (talk) 13:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: This wikibio has 300+ words of prose and technically long enough to qualify as an non-stub. I have to AGF all the non-English refs, but footnotes can indeed be found at expected spots. Formatting looks okay -- dates and other attributes in the non-English refs would be good things to add. This seems to be a passable RD nom, but I am hesitant to post this on MainPage because the materials on his career as a scientist or laser research engineer are rather thin. His recent arrest from his deathbed and subsequent demise seem to take up quite a bit of space in this wikibio that the coverage of his life now seems imbalanced. Perhaps another admin can look at this, please. Can more materials on his research on laser be added, please? --PFHLai (talk) 15:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Blackwood

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(Posted) RD: Peter Brook

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(Posted) RD: Andy Goram

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Support I might have some concerns with "Honours" section (regarding citations) but this is easily fixable and this article is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vladimir Zelenko

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  • Comment There is a CN in the personal life section, as well as some concerns with WP:WEIGHT (with the most of article dedicating to COVID-19 claims), given the controversial topic being involved. This article could be ready to go but I want to see this being resolved first. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed the unsourced sentence, as I couldn't find anything about Zelenko being a Haredi orthodox Jew, although many sources do mention he was an orthodox Jew. Second, I do not believe there are any issues with WP:WEIGHT, most coverage about this person relates to COVID. Do you have any ideas for dealing with this? --VersaceSpace 🌃 16:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've read the policy, actually it is fair because of what had been represented in most reliable coverage about the subject, my mistake. The idea is to keep it mostly what it is, but with some notes below. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Issues are mostly resolved though I recommend to keep an eye on undue weight or non-neutral viewpoints. I have checked this with Earwig and there is not much issues. Overall though, the article is good enough to qualify for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 1

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(Posted) RD: Joe Turkel

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(Posted) RD: Richard Taruskin

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(Closed) Chief Executive of Hong Kong

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(Posted) RD: Technoblade

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Why am I mentioned here? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 08:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There has been. See the article for examples of 2021 sources. VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 10:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon my ignorance, but is this about a real person? – Sca (talk) 13:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Yes, "Technoblade" was his online pseudonym. Anarchyte (talk) 14:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
C-class is not a requirement for ITN, but this article needs copyediting and checks for flow to be free from WP:RECENTISM. Once those issues are fixed, support. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An article does not need a copyedit to go RD, and considering this article has received a massive amount of quality changes only recently I don't think it needs it. Not to mention, despite the entire creation of the article spawning from his death, recentism is not an issue here as there is enough cited information about his career to counterweight information about his death. CaptainGalaxy 22:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Template:U here. The pushback that this has been getting is just bizarre and largely, at least for the latter comments, unfounded. TheSandDoctor Talk 01:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For those who still oppose based on quality, can you provide some issues the article still has? I'm more than willing to work on the article more if that is what is necessary. The discussions regarding synth and unreliable sources have been resolved already and there are no maintenance tags. Link20XX (talk) 16:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No significant tags and over-the-top attention among the MC community (including me).
interstatefive  16:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article is well sourced, no major problems. Yeeno (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not seeing any underlying or obvious quality issues that should discredit this article. With all issues seemingly resolved, I see no problem in posting this now. CaptainGalaxy 17:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I do not see a problem with this article being posted now as its issues seem to be resolved. Good work to all those who have edited to address them. --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I totally agree. The main issues surrounding the article and being debated seem to have been resolved. Johnson524 (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for my usual reason in these cases (with due deference to any friends or relatives); if they weren't notable enough to have an article while they were alive (and therefore would fail the RD rules), dying doesn't push them over the line. And, er, oh yeah - I don't like to mention this, but he's faked his death before (please let this not be the case this time, if you know what I mean). Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Faked his death before? Can you tell me more about this, say by linking to something reliable? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 18:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The lack of an article before does not imply notability only related to death. A subject's death, however, may encourage the creation of an article. In this case in specific, there was a "Technoblade" draft already present when the target article was created, it simply lacked enough information to be published. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      The sudden ease of source availability (read: front page stuff) and the widespread coverage that this has received would also presumably incentivize participation and work on improving the article, as happens elsewhere on the 'pedia. TheSandDoctor Talk 18:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That is also an admittedly bizarre accusation to make (that this is faked) without any proof as Template:U noted further up. That's like an WP:OR version of WP:CRYSTAL, if that's even possible. It isn't one or two RSes that would be being duped right now, but dozens. TheSandDoctor Talk 18:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I remember this sentiment regarding Kevin Samuels which didn't have an article in Wikipedia prior to his death - sans faking his death. MarioJump83 (talk) 02:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment very disturbing to read those curious users who are claiming (using their own original research I assume) that this is a hoax when RS like BBC, CNN, Varsity, Sky News, ABC, Yahoo etc are all reporting this death. Also curious to see some users suggesting we don't post items on the main page in case they attract unwanted attention. This place.... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's almost certainly not a hoax, you are right; but let's face it, this is a guy whose full name we dont even know... Black Kite (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've never heard of this guy before, but I looked through the r/technoblade subreddit yesterday, and a few eagle-eyed fans spotted an obituary with his full name that appeared in a local newspaper before his death was officially announced. While obviously not WP:RS, that's enough to make the chances of this being a hoax 0%. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The news is being reported in multiple RS across the world. That his article is new isn't relevant. Plus perhaps those surprised we don't know his real name are from a "certain generation" who aren't used to the idea of people on YouTube operating their entire careers under a pseudonym.... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Notable, seems to be of ok quality, rest in peace Alex. Diverging Diamond (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - People, respectable people, are claiming this might be a hoax? Seriously? Gosh, why even post any death at all on ITN then, if we are going to apply the same logic that we use for sports retirements. Unbelievable. WaltCip-(talk) 20:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very clearly legitimate:
Some of Tech's closest friends such as Dream have acknowledged the death on Twitter and the hashtag #technobladeneverdies is currently trending on that platform.
On Reddit, multiple threads have been made about his death, such as on r/MinecraftMemes, r/DreamWasTaken, r/HypixelSkyblock, and many other subreddits.
On the server Hypixel, there is a tribute where players can add their signatures, as stated by the server owner himself.[4]
Besides all of this, the article has solid sources, no obviously glaring problems (as far as I'm concerned), and I can definitely see this on the front page considering how much of a ripple this event has caused over the Internet.
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(Posted) RD: Tjahjo Kumolo

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Support Notable person in my country, I have heard him in the news from TV for quite a while long before his death. I have checked the sourcing and the article is fine. MarioJump83 (talk) 08:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Notable minister and figure. I support his article to be listed on recent death list. ~~~~ Mmnashrullah (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the line "served two terms in the DPR between 1987 and 1997" - needs a cite. Once that's fixed, good to go for RD. I wouldn't support a blurb though. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Yair Lapid becomes Prime Minister of Israel

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