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Upload failed: Invalid CSRF token

I tried to upload a non-free jpg file to Wikipedia and received the message 'Upload failed: Invalid CSRF token'. I've googled csrf but the results are very technical. What should I do now?

The upload request was very similar to an earlier one which worked fine.

The file I was attempting to unload would have been called:

File:Michael O'Connell, textile artist - sheep, detail from his hanging 'Variety of British Farming' in the 1951 Festival of Britain.jpg Tpsoconnell (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tpsoconnell: Have you tried uploading again since this happened? If it doesn't work again, just let me know the source/details of the image here and I'd be happy to upload it for you on my end. Bsoyka (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd say first try to retry the upload (Glitches happen from time to time). If that doesn't work, are you using any form of ad/trackingblocker? If so try disabling it for .wiki.x.io and .wikimedia.org, as they might infere with all sorts of things (particularely global login and crosswiki uploads to commons) Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

How to credit the photographer of a movie poster?

Could someone please advise on how to credit the photographer of a movie poster? I would like to add Gregory Michael King, the photographer and copyright holder of the image for the Ballet Shoes film poster. I hope it's permitted to add an external link in this forum, I don't want there to be any confusion in case there is another Gregory Michael King. I'm very new to the world of Wikipedia editing, and I would be grateful If someone could credit the photographer for me. Thank you! The Vintage Quaintrelle (talk) 20:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The Vintage Quaintrelle, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be good to add the artist's name on the file desciption page File:Ballet Shoes.jpg, and you can do this (without an external link). We do not normally credit photos where they are displayed, but if you have a reliable source that King was the photographer, you could edit the image caption in the infobox on Ballet Shoes (film). ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! The Vintage Quaintrelle (talk) 21:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

What's the correct way to deal with a web citation that was probably right, but now points to something spurious?

example is this: Xander_(Dutch_singer)#cite_note-xanderfan-1. It's in an article that's currently subject to a sustained attempt to hijack for other purposes, which is why I noticed it, but it currently links to a games site of some sort, and not a source for what it's supposed to support. I don't know what we're supposed to do with this, I'm sure I ought to. Elemimele (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: I would try looking for the actual website its supposed to link you to and replace it with the wrong one. But I can tell you right now that even if it didnt take you to the wrong site the correct one, Xanderfan.hyves.nl, looks like an unreliable source. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh I now realize when you type Xanderfan.hyves.nl and search it redirects yo to that video game website ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: yes, I see your point, it does look as though the original source, before the redirect, wasn't reliable anyway. I've simply removed it and replaced the two instances with citation-needed tags instead. There's not much point in trying to find it in waybackmachine. Thanks! Elemimele (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

No problem ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Changing Color of Signature

Hi, It has been a long time. I was wondering if someone could direct me to a list of codes that I could select from to change the color of my signature. I currently have purple with color code #7F007F for my signature, but want to change it to peach. Thanks! Paisleypeach ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Paisleypeach! That's just a hex triplet; you can find plenty of converters and tools online. For example, DuckDuckGo has a color picker: duckduckgo.com?q=color+picker Bsoyka (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate it! Paisleypeach ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

One CSS code for peach is #ffe5b4. Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 14:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC) (closed code tag Bsoyka (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC))

Got it, thanks! Paisleypeach ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:27, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

GREASE - the 1978 movie

I Joel Thurm was the Casting Director for the movie GREASE and in an unusual situation caused by the producer Allan Carr being ill for most of the shoot, I was on the set every day and took over many of the producing duties. I was also the producer for the television movie THE BOY IN THE PLASTIC BUBBLE which brought together John Travolta and director Randal Kleiser. How can I correct your incorrect information? (Redacted) Zuko, Danny (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zuko, Danny: Welcome to the Teahouse. You would need to supply a reliable source, as Wikipedia requires all information to be verifiable; this is almost always done through independent and secondary sources. Feel free to discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zuko, Danny You need to present/use WP:RS. WP:ISAWIT is not good enough, like the rest of us, you are a pseudonomous netizen. If the WP:RS are wrong, WP will be wrong. If you have WP:RS that supports your statement, you can suggest changes to the article at Talk:Grease (film). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

What is user FlightTime criticising?

Courtesy ping: FlightTime QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I asked already at the Wikipedia:Help desk.
Could a well experienced Editor please explain, what user FlightTime is criticising in " 06:56, 2 April, 2022‎ FlightTime " in Talk:Cesar Millan, about my contributions? He seems to be unwilling to explain. 77.189.7.149 (talk) 08:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

If you've already asked about this at the Help Desk, then perhaps it's best you wait and see what kind of responses you get there. Generally, it's not a good idea to try and simultaneously discuss the same thing on different noticeboards because it usually leads to redundancy and confusion. Sometimes it takes a little time for someone to respond; so, you need to be a little patient and not rush off to ask essentially the same question somewhere else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I've responded to your question at the help desk. If you still have questions about this, please ask them there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thank you for the ping, just got in. I'll respond at HD in a few. Again, thanx. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: QuickQuokka Sorry, pinged the wrong user. The above ping belongs to you, thanx. - FlightTime (open channel) 00:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hi! I made a couple of edits on my mobile (anonymously, because I didn't see where to log in) in the article on Frontenac (marque), and I screwed something up (some boxed copy showed up), and I'll be damned if I can figure out how to undo both edits. I even went to the desktop site, but no luck. The URL the edits are under is 100.14.187.71. Could you please undo my 2 edits, and then I'll try again later on my desktop? Thanks! Ronaldomundo (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ronaldomundo: Done here. DuncanHill (talk) 00:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I've always found the Wikipedia mobile app and mobile version of the site good only for reading, but a horrible experience when you need to do any sort of maintenance. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguating

Hi there, I'd like to make an article for Tristan Walker, CEO & entrepreneur as I would like Wiki to be a more diverse source on business figures. I have no COI/relation to the founder at all. I see there's already a Tristan Walker (Tristan Walker) luge player, with no disambiguation. Curious how we could add to his name (athlete) or something like that. BubbleBub (talk) 00:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

BubbleBub Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would first worry about drafting the article you want to write and getting it accepted. You may visit WP:AFC to create and submit a draft. I would create the title with a disambiguation("Tristan Walker (businessman)"). Once your draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia, you can then start a discussion as to whether the draft you write should lack a disambiguation and one should be added to the other, or both should have one- which would depend on who is more prominent(among other reasons). 331dot (talk) 00:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you!! just submitted the draft BubbleBub (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Articles for Creation? What is it?

I submitted a story to wikipedia that was routed to "Articles for Creation". It's hard to understand exactly what this means, and whether or not the story is in an AfC que. If it's in que, can I view it, and how far down on the waiting list is it? Thanks for the help. Lord Milner (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: Articles for Creation is a curated process where reviewers look at drafts to see if they are suitable for Wikipedia. It isn't a queue, but a backlog; reviewers look at whatever catches their fancy, so a definite time can't be given as to when it'll be looked at. I should also stress that Wikipedia is not a place for stories, but articles of encyclopedic value. If your draft isn't an article, it will be rejected. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Lord Milner. You can find out more at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Basically, it's a process in which you can submit a draft for assessment to see whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:ARTICLEs. You can continue to work on improving the draft while it's waiting a review (it can be found at Draft:Timeline of Alfred Milner), but I'm not sure whether drafts are reviewed in any particular order and their position in the queue is primarily based on when the draft was submitted. Like all users, AfC reviewers are volunteers who work at their own pace and might focus of drafts about subjects they're more familiar with. You can try asking questions about the process at WP:AFCHELP if you want more specific answers about a particular draft. One thing, though, is that you referred to your draft above as a story which might help explain the reason why the draft has yet to be accepted and also the reason for the maintenance templates being left by others at the top of the draft. Wikipedia doesn't really publish "stories" per se and as explained in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I would also cut it way down. There are far too many details in that timeline that are mundane, inconsequential, context-free, or not even about the subject. Sentences like "Alfred has lunch with his old roommate" and "Alfred gives a dinner to his army generals" and "The peace conference formally opens" add absolutely no value to the list and just bloat it unnecessarily. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Videogame (or movie/book/etc) cover as article image

Hello - first of all thank you for answering my previous questions, I've asked a few in the past week because I wan't to make sure I do things right and I hope that I am not overstepping or taking up too much space.

I am currently writing an article draft for a video game (Just in case it's relevent, the draft is Draft:Steven Universe: Unleash The Light). I have noticed that most games, movies, books, and similar media have an image of the cover as the article's main image in the infobox, even if the image is copyrighted. I read WP:NFCC and would like to be sure my understanding is correct - am I okay to use the videogame's cover in the article? -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard, great question! It shouldn't be included now because every non free file has to be included in a mainspace article (see point 7 in the NFCC guideline), otherwise I believe it's okay to use the videogame's cover in the article after it's in the mainspace. You might also find Template:Non-free use rationale video game cover useful. Justi yaya 06:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks for the explanation and resource. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Article submission issue

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Saira_Shah_Halim The above link was the article, that I need to submit. As per some criteria I have removed the external links from the content and put those links in a section called External links. Also I have added the reference links. But still it's rejected. Can You please help me to about the changes, that I need to do? So that I can change that particular areas of the content and resubmit. Sumonsen (talk) 11:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Each and every statement of fact requires a source located after the content it supports, it is not sufficient to just have a list of references at the end. See WP:REFB for help. Theroadislong (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sumonsen Further to @Theroadislong's comment, those links do not in any way suffice to establish notability oif this person. One is a mere mention, one is a video of a TeD talk she did, and one is a mere mention in a blog (which does not count). The draft needs a lead sentence to introduce why this person is notable, whilst peacock sentences like "Having hung up her corporate boots, Saira has metamorphosed as one of the more prominent social and gender activists of the country" are not a fitting style of writing for an encyclopaedia. Your key task is to find independent sources which demonstrate clearly why this person is notable, and then to remove everything that is not stated in those sources. If you are connected with this person, you will have a clear Conflict of Interest, and should declare it on your userpage, as should User:Winnn007, if they are working with you on this. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

This has multiple problems:

You say "...the article, that I need to submit". Need? Why? Wikipedia doesn't need you to submit the article. You may wish to, which is OK, but that is not "need to".
The two main contributors are you, "Sumonsen", and about two weeks ago "Winnn007". Both users have activity patterns that are almost only on this article: no other significant activity on Wikipedia. That suggests that both users are only here for the single purpose of creating this article.
If both users are, in fact, the same person, then this is close to sockpuppetry (unless there is are declarations of on user pages, which I don't see)
Your other activity is here, where you state "Please approve this content, she is my client. I have written content for her." This is paid content and conflict of interest; these issues need to be declared... but you appear not to have done so.

You should concentrate your efforts on addressing the above points.

I hope that helps.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 15:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I thank you for help and clear guidance.

1. Apologies that I have written 'I need to'. 'I wish to 'would be fine as this is a professional work on behalf of my client.

2. Sumonsen and Winnn07 are separate accounts for different persons. I am handling Sumonsen account. I don't have any idea about Winnn07 account.

3. I want to put this as a paid content. Please let me know about it's steps.

4. I gathered some of the relevant links and mentioned them in the reference section. Should I remove all of them? Is it fine not to add anything in that section? If not, how should I proceed with it? Sumonsen (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Before anything else, see both these links: WP:COI and WP:PAID.
Also, both you, and perhaps even more importantly, your client, should realise that there is no guarantee of article acceptance. If you client expects the outcome to be "there will be a Wikipedia article about me", then your client is mistaken. The outcome may well be "no article".
And even if there is an article, it will not, in any sense, belong to either you or them. Anyone will be able to change it. Do you or your client want that?
But first of all, if you will be continuing, read those links: WP:COI and WP:PAID...
...and even more importantly, make the declarations mentioned in the "How to"..." sections of those articles.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Handling copy-paste of a legal opinion

The article about the New York Court of Appeals case Tedla v. Ellman seems to be copied almost verbatim from the corresponding legal opinion (see CourtListener). I'm not sure what to do with this one; it doesn't seem correct to flag it as a copyright violation, but it also doesn't seem ideal to leave the content as-is. Is there anything else that could be done? –Galactic-Radiance (talk) 19:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm heartily unimpressed by the entire article. The court judgement bit appears to be half-copied, half-paraphrased, such that it's close enough to the original to be a potential copyright problem, but far enough away from it that it isn't fair to pass it off as a quote. And in whose voice is the "Analysis" section written? If this is an opinion expressed by a source, then the source should be referenced. If it's the personal analysis of whoever wrote the article, it shouldn't be there at all. This article is close, in my mind, to being a TNT-case for AfD (articles for deletion: I'm not denying that the case might be notable, but the article is so badly written, devoid of any secondary referencing, that it might be better to get rid of the whole thing and start from scratch). Elemimele (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

If AfD seems too harsh (I'm not familiar enough to judge) then at least can we move it to "Draft:"? Only four real articles seem to link to it. Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Feline Hymnic: Unless you are willing to work on the draft, then that would just be condemning the article to a slow death. Drafts not modified in 6 months get deleted. RudolfRed (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the not-quite-quote and replaced it with a simple summary of what the court decided, and why. I think this approach is more appropriate for an encyclopaedia that should be accessible to everyone, not just law-students. But I'm quite open to accusations of having messed up, because US law isn't exactly my central interest! I've added one, probably inadequate secondary source, and templated that the article desperately needs more. I'm sure, on reflection, that the case is notable enough to deserve an article, but there's no point in Wikipedia becoming yet another mirror of the court papers (there are loads of google hits for that already). I hope this is appropriate Elemimele (talk) 08:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Can I copy a template?

Can I copy Template:Oceans and seas in the Philippines location map to create a French version of that, I mean France's bays and seas? For List of bays in France. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Yes, you can copy an existing template and modify it for a different application. When you create it, you should simply link back to the source template in the first edit summary so as to acknowledge the work of those who went before you. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Policies

Hello, I just completed the "Wikipedia Adventure" and it directed me here if I had any questions and I have a couple! Is there a centralised place where I can find Wikipedia's policies to read over? I don't want to tread on the toes of any norms. Also is there a place where I read about tags? I see lots of "citation needed", for example, and I'd like to read about the processes. Thank you! Beag Fiadh (talk) 10:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Beag Fiadh: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines (yes, I know, we have many policies). Regarding {{citation needed}}, it is one of the cleanup templates and indicates that the editor who added it thinks that the claim(s) beforehand need a citation to a reliable source to comply with the verifiability policy. Disputes about tags between edits are usally solved using the usual BRD meachanism. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Delete article

Draft:Ethan Gontar

We cant improve the article for now.

Please delete it Armyofblue (talk) 10:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Armyofblue Hi, I have CSD tagged it for you under G7, Kind Regards, Zippybonzo | talk 10:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello

May I know how to add citation to template boxes? Thanks Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 09:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hypersonic man 11 Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean you want to add a citation to some data within a WP:INFOBOX at the top of an article? If so, it's just the same as elsewhere in an article. There's a Cite button on either of our two editing tools into which you add the relevant reference details. See WP:Inline citation, but feel free to ask if you're still not sure how to do it. Maybe offer a link to what article you want to improve, and what source you want to add. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

How to disclose COI

Hello. I am making a page for the company I work for. What all do I have to disclose and how? Siddharthkapoor309 (talk) 13:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Siddharthkapoor309! See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure for that information. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 13:49, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about wording

Is theatrography a word? I am currently writing a draft about Moran Rosenblatt, and she has appeared in theatrical performances. I want to make a list of her theatrical appearances, but I don't know how to word it. (I know the draft is horrible, but it's because the Hebrew article is terrible. I'll fix it) --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka No, I'm pretty sure you just made that up, LOL! See Theatrograph as a form of projector. Why not try Appearances or Stage appearances? What do other articles about theatre actors do? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about source

Hi there! I'm currently working on an article about a musician. The problem is that I do not know any site that is reliable about discography information. I may look a little demanding but it would be really helpful if it's a site that I can find, for example, the discography of a Korean musician and then search and find for a Brazilian. But,whatever site you know that is reliable for Wikipedia accepted. :D

Thank you so much for your help and time!!

Fisforfenia (talk) 19:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Fisforfenia! I encountered this problem a little while back too, I found that WikiProject Albums/Sources was very helpful. It lists both Reliable sources & also ones that are considered less so catergorised & with links so you can quickly check for one that works for your needs. I found AllMusic (listed under reliable sources) particularly useful & it can be found used by many editors working on music articles. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 19:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Split columns

How do I split a column, such as a bulleted list of "See also" points? To be two, evenly spread out columns. The thinking being that this makes the list shorter, the page shorter, and easier to read/see. For example, please help with the article draft that I am working on, Draft:Goldback with this. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and as a second point, I've been waiting some time now for that article to be re-reviewed since it was first denied for lacking notability from sources. I have since corrected for that, and would like to see if there is a way for me to "bump" it in the queue or to have it re-reviewed at some point. Thanks again! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 17:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Th78blue the easiest way for me to tell you how to do a double column is to show you where an example is. Go to David Cory (author), and then to the Bibliography section. If you click on Edit (without editing of course) you can see where there is formatting with double brackets {{ }} found at the beginning, the middle and end of the list of books. Copy the bracketed sections and paste them at the proper places in the list you want to have in a double column. As for your second point, go to the pinkish block that tells you your draft has been declined. Towards the end of that block is a line that says "Improving your odds of a speedy review." Click on the [Show] right after that statement, and read the advice. I hope this helps. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Karenthewriter! That was super helpful. I did both of those things just now. Sending you a cooking now for my thanks. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order, it is not a queue. There are a large number of drafts and few reviewers. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 20:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks RudolfRed. I was just surprised with how quickly it was reviewed the first time, so I think that set me up with a false expectation for how long the follow up review might take. Totally understandable that it could be a while though, and that is just fine. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking for a citation

I am searching for the citation on the Miss Gay America page regarding the crowning venue of Miss Gay America winners. 2603:9004:A00:89EA:AD:17AA:8413:8375 (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! There are multiple ways to find citations; the most straightforward being to search Google on the topic. If you are unsure whether or not the source is reliable, simply read WP:RS for more info. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 21:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a simple Google search is not verifying or bringing up any information regarding venue in the 70's which is the specific and only time period I am interested in about Miss Gay America. I know three of the venues are correct, but I want to ensure the reliability of the remaining venues. No citation for any of the venues are on the Miss Gay America page 2603:9004:A00:89EA:AD:17AA:8413:8375 (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

There is an extremely complicated process which allows you to access restricted sources, but it requires cresting an account, making 500 edits, being on Wikipedia for over 6 months, and not being blocked. However, you might be able to access sources via the news section of Google, or via Google Scholar. A great template for all this would be {{find general sources}}, where it offers you links to find various sources. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 21:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! 2603:9004:A00:89EA:AD:17AA:8413:8375 (talk) 21:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

How to insert a photo into a wiki?

I want to add a photo to a wiki.

I'm going round and round following prompts only to come back to forms I've already filled out.

How to proceed?

Thank you Asig15317 (talk) 23:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Asig15317, is the photo already at Wikimedia Commons? If it is not, did you take the photo? -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Hoary. The photo is already at W.C. Asig15317 (talk) 00:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

That's good. No form needs to be filled out. All you need to know, and more, is in Help:Pictures. If any part of it is unclear, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 00:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm on it thought I may not get to all of it tonight. Asig15317 (talk) 00:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Alma Mater

I've been watching a discussion in a blp about the use of alma mater. The question is: does using alma_mater in an infobox mean the person graduated from the institution, or simply attended? The example in question: the person attended for one semester. I presume by extension that the same usage would extend to the text of the article.

It occurred to me that this issue might have been addressed somewhere. It seemed the sort of issue that MOS:BIO might cover, but no. -- M.boli (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@M.boli Welcome to the Teahouse. I am not aware of any specific guidance within Wikipedia. Common sense must apply.

So: If I attended a school and left after some years to go on to university, then that school is my alma mater. Likewise, if I graduate from university, that, too, is my alma mater. If however I dropped out or am expelled after one term or two (and clearly I don't graduate) then I was not being 'educationally nourished' by it, and so claiming it as my alma mater would be inappropriate and, indeed, disingenuous. Out of interest, what is the link to the discussion you are watching, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@M.boli, the documentation at {{Infobox person}}, the template talk archives, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Higher education, and discussions about categorization are all places that you might be able to find past precedent.

Personally, my view is that anyone who has matriculated at an institution (i.e. enrolled at it in a degree-granting program with the intent to graduate) and no longer attends it is an alum and may call it their alma mater. This includes dropouts and transfers, but not exchange students or those enrolled in non-degree granting programs. One semester is a pretty short period, though, so in the absence of formal guidance, it's ultimately up to those in the discussion at that particular article to decide what's most appropriate. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you to both of you! Article where I most recently saw this ambiguity is Madison Cawthorn. Somebody added alma_mater for his 1-semester college experience, noting that the lack of a degree after the college name implies dropping out. This was in the edit summaries not the talk page. Then somebody objected on the talk page to say that it should be glossed that the person dropped out. It occurred to me that I had seen this ambiguity come up in other articles, most recently in Barack Obama. Obama attended Occidental College before transferring to Columbia University and graduating. The infobox says alma mater is Columbia. This seems to be consistent with the {{Infobox person}} documentation, which says alma mater will be last institution attended. I'll go with that in the future. -- M.boli (talk) 02:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to import from Fandom?

I was wondering if I am allowed to import some information from Fandom, specifically the Spaceflight Simulator Wiki. Blocky44 (talk · contribs) 02:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Blocky44: Yes, under Fandom's licensing, as long as you leave a link to the source article in your edit summary here to attribute the authors. (Disclaimer: Not legal advice; I recommend reading through their terms on your own too.) Bsoyka (talk) 02:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Is the edit summary the small description? Blocky44 (talk · contribs) 02:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

See WP:ES and the message I just left on your talk page!

Bsoyka (talk) 02:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct spelling of "Hardboiled"

The word "hardboiled" (as in "hardboiled detective fiction") is spelled throughout Wikipedia both with and without a hyphen. I assume without the hyphen is correct, since that's the way it's spelled in the article Hardboiled. Is there a way to authomatically fix the incorrect version in all incorrect articles? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles, the easiest way to do that would be through WP:AutoWikiBrowser, a semi-automated editing tool that allows you to make mass find-and-replace changes like that. You'd put together a list of pages and go through it, but you'd still have to check that each is referring to "hardboiled" in the right sense. You'd also want to make sure there's consensus for the spelling you want by having a discussion somewhere—per WP:ENGVAR, it's not inherently a problem if different articles have different spellings, so long as they're internally consistent. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pete Best Beatles, you seem to have inferred that the spelling "hardboiled" is correct (and I have no reason to disagree with you), and you seem to have inferred from this that the spelling "hard-boiled" is incorrect. I do not understand this logic. But instead of working out what your premisses might be, I'll simply point out that the iWeb corpus has over six thousand tokens of "hard-boiled", a fair number of them from well-copyedited websites. If somebody does spend their time "correcting" (i.e. altering) the spelling in either direction (a waste of their time, I think), then that person had better think about what to do about correctly-reproduced "incorrect" (not!) spellings within quoted material. But yes, we have global heating, Covid, and perhaps a new world war; do you really want to spend your time fretting about hyphens? -- Hoary (talk) 05:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Source question

Hiii! I've got some questions and I'd like someone to help me 'cause I'm new in Wikipedia and I don't know a lot about sources, so, please, be patient with me.

I'm wondering if Spotify, Deezer or Youtube Music count as reliable sources ONLY for discography. I know that in some cases they might also work for the bio of an artist but this is not the case now.
I've asked again before but I think I got misunderstood or I didn't understand. I want to use a bio of an artist that she has written on Youtube. I think I got misunderstood because she has written on the information page on her channel and not on a video. I'll give you the link so you can also check it and tell me. The link is https: Alissic

Thank you so much for your time and help! Fisforfenia (talk) 06:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Your second question, Fisforfenia: We need independent, disinterested sources. Perhaps aside from a handful of saints and the like, a person is not disinterested about herself; and she can't be independent of herself. -- Hoary (talk) 06:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Article to draft

If an article happens to be deleted, can it be resubmitted as a draft? Oixyplanet (talk) 05:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, it depends on why it was deleted. For most cases in which an article was deleted due to lack of notability, the problem was that there wasn't enough coverage available on the topic, so a new draft will just get denied the same. If the coverage has changed, you can request it be restored as a draft at WP:UNDELETE. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Flickr

Thanks. I guess where I get confused is that if you look at a page like Coca-Cola for instance, you will see lots of instances of Coke imagery that is shared. How is that possible? I want to be able to use and share copywritten logos like that, but obviously I want to follow the rules/protocol and not infringe on any copyright laws... Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Well, in that instance, because the Coca-Cola logo was published before January 1, 1927, and consists only of simple geometric shapes or text (not meeting the threshold of originality), it is not a copywritten logo. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, @Kaleeb18, not to be picky, but isn't the appropriate word "copyrighted" instead of "copywritten"? It seems that many, many people use the first word, but I think that "copyrighted" is the word people need. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

You are correct. My mistake. Copyrighted is in fact the correct word. I appreciate any correction that improves my use of the English language. Thanks again! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 15:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, thanks. You are not the only one... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: If you click on the image it will show you the license. In each of the ones I checked, the sharing is possible because the image is licenced to allow sharing. If you want to upload photos you will need to find one that has a license that allows sharing. RudolfRed (talk) 19:20, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That was just one example, but I feel like I see these all the time. Also, is there any guidance on where to find such images, or on how to take a common image (like the back of a Cheerios box) and make it so? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Most of the time a companies logo can be used for the same reason as above. If your asking how to upload the cheerios logo, you can do so by uploading it using the upload wizard on Wikimedia Commons ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I had tried that, but in the case of Cheerios—which was founded in the 1940s—it was reverted several times when I tried to add it (this wasn't recent, but is on my list of things I want to figure out/learn). ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Th78blue. Restrictions on uploading and using non-free materials are severe; but logos can usually be used in an article about the company or brand whose logo they are but not usually for any other purpose. See WP:Logos. ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That is all that I wanted to ever use logos for, and was still reverted. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 15:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing "This article has issues" after editing

As recommended by SuggestBot, I've edited Nepali Sign Language based on the issues listed in the box at the top (what is the actual name for these particular type of templates?). I think I've done it well enough that the page no longer has those issues - is it prudent for me to remove the box myself, or better to mention what I've done on the talk page (or on WikiProject Linguistics) and let a more experienced Wikipedian decide if my edits are enough and remove it themself? -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Notcharizard, you're totally allowed to remove the warning banners yourself—feel free to be bold and do so! We can take a look, too, if you'd like to have a second pair of eyes, but it's not a requirement. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you feel that you have addressed the maintenance tags, you may remove them yourself. If someone disagrees they will most likely re-add them, at which point you can have a discussion on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both, I'll remove it and put a note in the talk page just in case. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 06:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I add a section of right-to-left script text in an English article?

I would like to add a block of Hebrew text to an English wikipedia article (well, it's Phoenician, but it uses the Hebrew alphabet). However, I can't get it to display correctly, as it interprets it as left-to-right. Specifically I would like to add a transcription of the text on the Kilamuwa Stela; while the translation is obviously useful, it's also useful to have the transcription without having to go to the Hebrew version to find it. Thank you! Quadriporticus (talk) 06:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Quadriporticus, does {{lang|phn|THE TEXT}} work? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb unfortunately, no :( It's still left-aligned and it also gets rid of line breaks? If it helps, this is the text (which I would obviously reference the transcription of; and yes there are supposed to be all those full stops in it. There's supposed to be an empty line in the middle that isn't displaying here, after בסות):

אנך. כלמו. בר. חי[א‏]

מלך. גבר. על. יאדי. ובל. פ[על]

כן בנה . ובל. פעל. וכן. אב. חיא. ובל. פעל. וכן. אח

שאל. ובל. פעל. ואנ[ך]. כלמו. בר. תמל. מאש. פעלת

בל. פעל. הלפניהם. כן. בת אבי. במתכת. מלכם. אד

רם. וכל. שלח. יד לל[ח]ם. וכת. ביד. מלכם כם אש. אכלת

זקן. ו[כם.] אש. אכלת. יד. ואדר עלי חלך. ד[נ]נים. ושכר

אנך. עלי. מלך אשר. ועלמת. יתן. בש. וגבר. בסות.

אנך. כלמו. בר חיא. ישבת. על. כסא. אבי. לפן. הם

לכם. הלפנים. יתלנן. משכבם. כם. כלבם. ואנך. למי. כת. אב. ולמי. כת. אם

ולמי. כת. אח. ומי. בל חז. פן. ש. שתי. בעל. עדר. ומי. בל חז. פן. אלף. שתי. בעל

בקר. ובעל. כסף. ובעל. חרץ. ומי. בל. חז. כתן. למנערי. ובימי. כסי. ב

ץ. ואנך. תמכת. משכבם. ליד. והמת. שת. נבש. כם. נבש יתם. באם. ומי. בבנ

י אש. ישב. תחתן. ויזק. בספר ז. משכבם. אל יכבד. לבעררם. ובערר

ם. אל יכבד. למשכבם ומי. ישחת. הספר ז. ישחת. ראש. בעל. צמד. אש. לגבר

ועשחת. ראש. בעל חמן. אש. לבמה. ורכבאל. בעל בת. Quadriporticus (talk) 06:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Quadriporticus: Is this what you're up to?

אנך. כלמו. בר. חי[א‏]
מלך. גבר. על. יאדי. ובל. פ[על]
כן בנה . ובל. פעל. וכן. אב. חיא. ובל. פעל. וכן. אח
שאל. ובל. פעל. ואנ[ך]. כלמו. בר. תמל. מאש. פעלת
בל. פעל. הלפניהם. כן. בת אבי. במתכת. מלכם. אד
רם. וכל. שלח. יד לל[ח]ם. וכת. ביד. מלכם כם אש. אכלת
זקן. ו[כם.] אש. אכלת. יד. ואדר עלי חלך. ד[נ]נים. ושכר
אנך. עלי. מלך אשר. ועלמת. יתן. בש. וגבר. בסות.

אנך. כלמו. בר חיא. ישבת. על. כסא. אבי. לפן. הם
לכם. הלפנים. יתלנן. משכבם. כם. כלבם. ואנך. למי. כת. אב. ולמי. כת. אם
ולמי. כת. אח. ומי. בל חז. פן. ש. שתי. בעל. עדר. ומי. בל חז. פן. אלף. שתי. בעל
בקר. ובעל. כסף. ובעל. חרץ. ומי. בל. חז. כתן. למנערי. ובימי. כסי. ב
ץ. ואנך. תמכת. משכבם. ליד. והמת. שת. נבש. כם. נבש יתם. באם. ומי. בבנ
י אש. ישב. תחתן. ויזק. בספר ז. משכבם. אל יכבד. לבעררם. ובערר
ם. אל יכבד. למשכבם ומי. ישחת. הספר ז. ישחת. ראש. בעל. צמד. אש. לגבר
ועשחת. ראש. בעל חמן. אש. לבמה. ורכבאל. בעל בת.

For some odd reason, you have to use <div>-Tags for multiline rtl content, or it will get removed by the software behind Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It worked! Thank you so much. Quadriporticus (talk) 08:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How long can I expand this list?

Excellenc1 (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Interesting question! List articles are really intended to list existing Wikipedia articles, with perhaps just a few red-linked ones that are genuinely felt to be notable, but which don't exist yet. Red links would need a citation to them, I feel. Or, at the very least (per WP:NGEO), should be easily and genuinely identifiable features on major maps. If you were to follow WP:NGEO to a logical conclusion, you could list almost every single bay that existed, but that would seriously undermine the value and purpose of your list, and probably be a terrible waste of your time. Does that help? See Category:Lists of bays for all the other similar list articles, and maybe check out their view history. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I was following List of bays of the Philippines which has a very long list, with many red-linked ones. Also in List of bays of South Africa, a shorter list, there are more red-links than blue links. I am getting the list of bays majorly from fr:Catégorie:Baie en France. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Or else I can remove names of bays which are neither in French Wikipedia nor in English, and add those which are only in French with an interlanguage link. That way, the list remains short. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 I like the idea of limiting entries to those where you can add a {{ill}} template. One could argue that, if it isn’t on fr-wiki, it’s probably not worth adding it here. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I know if my Article for Creation (AfC) had been approved?

Hi,

I created and submitted an AfC for publishing. I am able to view the article on various computers, which leads me to believe it has been created.

However, are there any other way(s) for me to check if this article has indeed been officially published?

Further, if the article is not yet searchable on Google, is this a Google indexing problem? How long do these usually take to resolve?

Best,

Lorposralem (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lorposralem: Hi, you should typically get a notification on your talk page and after that a new page reviewer will approve it to appear on google results, it can take a while to get reviewed as there are 10,000 pages and only 750ish reviewers. Kind Regards, Zippybonzo | talk 08:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

However, seen as it has been tagged for deletion under CSD A7 - it is seen as non-notable, which means that the topic doesn’t get enough coverage to have an article on Wikipedia. Also given the article is in main space currently I would suggest moving it to draftspace so that you can work on the article and then submit it to AfC (when an article is in main space (without the Draft: prefix) you can’t submit it to AfC. Kind Regards, Zippybonzo | talk 08:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Bazaar Technologies

Hello Teahouse! I created an article about a start up company in Pakistan, it was nominated for deletion, I have asked for deletion review, the intention was to improve the article with better sources and citation. I understand now that the deletion review will only check if the consensus was reached and that the procedure followed. What I may have been looking for is WP:REFUND? Any suggestions in this matter? Elmisnter! (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar Hello and welcome. I will say that "startup" companies almost never merit articles. Most coverage of such companies is press release style stories, or annoucements of their business activities. These do not establish that such a company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Companies must be established and settled in to their field in order for independent reliable sources to take note of them on their own and choose to write about them, describing why they are important. REFUND is the correct venue to seek restoration of a draft, but it won't be restored unless you can demonstrate that things have radically changed from the deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@331dot, in my review I listed 12 sources who covered the company, these were not press releases neither were they opinion pieces, so I am hoping for the best, but I will wait for the review discussion to close before I go for refund. Elmisnter! (talk) 09:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

My first article, is the topic notable enough?

Draft:Package redirection scam. I know a lot about this scam, because I run an eBay store and have encountered it before. It's a huge scam, but gets very little media attention, and little information is available. That's why I wanted to write an article about it on Wikipedia. Obviously it's not done yet, but is the topic notable enough? Zorya's Leshak (talk) 06:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think you're heading in the right direction. Be careful with the references; ideally one or two more like the Guardian one would be great, while the pdf from a consulting business in squarespace isn't ideal. But you seem to be doing a decent job of avoiding the temptation, when writing about a subject that you know, and care about, of writing your own knowledge rather than use source. Caveat: I'm not an AfC reviewer, just a general wikipedian! Elemimele (talk) 09:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Zorya's Leshak. You posted It's a huge scam, but gets very little media attention, and little information is available. That's why I wanted to write an article about it on Wikipedia. sounds like your intentions are the best, but it also sounds like you're trying to right some great wrong. It's not really Wikipedia's role to expose scams such as these and give it attention that it might otherwise not be getting from reliable sources. It's also not Wikipedia's role to be a guide to help individuals avoid falling prey to such a scam. The only things an article about a subject like this should reflect are what secondary reliable sources are saying about it, and there has to be enough significant coverage about the the scam in such sources to justify a Wikipedia article be written. Please keep these things in mind as you continue to work on the draft, and be cognizant that often in cases like this an article may have to wait until reliable sources catch up and start covering the subject matter significantly. Wikipedia's role isn't to lead the charge against scams like this, but rather to bring up the rear after much of the dust has settled and only then summarize what reliable sources have said on the matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC

I have found a lot more sources about this scam, as well as a source showing someone was arrested for doing $45k in fraud with this scam method. I do think there is enough secondary sources, now that I do more research about it. it's still not done but it's close . Zorya's Leshak (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zorya's Leshak Have you checked out: List of confidence tricks for related scams? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that list really would apply, because this is a form of e commerce fraud which aren't covered there.Zorya's Leshak (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Mind if I chip in here and ask, have you tried to see if it has any alternative names? (Try the advance fee scam article to see an example of a scam with a lot of different names) To find alternative names for this scam, you could try looking at all the various websites which list scams (like https://scamwatch.gov.au), check the descriptions of each, and see what they call the scam that matches your description of a package redirection scam (if it is there). I had heard of this scam before, so I'm hopeful that sources do exist. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 10:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Categories named after writers

How does a writer get a category named after them? I was looking at articles about hardboiled/noir/pulp writers, and I noticed that Dashiell Hammett is here (Wikipedia categories named after American writers), but James M. Cain, Raymond Chandler, Chester Himes, Walter Mosely, James Ellroy, David Goodis, Cornell Woolrich and Jim Thompson are not. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Pete Best Beatles! There's a bunch of information at Wikipedia:Categorization. Some writers have enough pages related to them that we've created an eponymous category, e.g. Category:Dashiell Hammett, but many others do not. I'm not enough of a category person to know precisely how we draw the line between who gets one and who doesn't, though. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The rule is that a writer gets an eponymous category if they have a lot of spinoff content with its own separate articles that doesn't fit into the standard "works by writer" scheme that already exists, and not if they don't. For instance, Dashiell Hammett has three films in which he was portrayed as a character, which thus get a Category:Dashiell Hammett category because they would never have been categorizable as Category:Works by Dashiell Hammett — and William Shakespeare could almost be his own encyclopedia for all the spinoff content he has, so he gets Category:William Shakespeare to contain it all.
But again, it's not "every writer who has an article automatically gets an eponymous category as a matter of course" — it's "does the writer have a lot of additional spinoff content besides his biographical article and 'Works by That Writer' category?" Bearcat (talk) 11:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Revdel, essential information a form of copy-write?

Hello, I am asking if my wikipedia page is ready to be resubmitted. The original edit request regarded a copy-pasted list of 20 key ideas that are essential to the page's subject. Is it enough to quote this list of 20 mantras along with the source? It would be preferable to keep these 20 lines (they are mantras that compose the collective's manifesto).

Regardless, in the end, I deleted the section and resubmitted. The article was declined again with the comment (still waiting for Revdel), so I must have done something incorrectly..

Furthermore, the proper legal name of the collective is OBJECT:PARADISE, but the draft has been edited by a reviewer to be Object: paradise. The legal name of the collective is shown in source 1.

Can you please tell me 1) if it is okay to quote from the source page (https://objectparadise.com/Manifesto) or 2) if I must delete this info (which I have), why the page has been declined again? 3) Can someone change the draft name back to OBJECT:PARADISE, as it is the legal name of the collective?

Thank you in advance Tykosay (talk) 11:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tykosay. Quite apart from the question of copyright, you are making the (common but wrong) assumption that the subjects' writings are of relevance to an article about them. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Of course what they have published can be significant, but for Wikipedia's purposes, we look only at what independent commentators have said about their output, not at the output itself. ColinFine (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Tykosay, the collective is most welcome to write its name in ALL CAPS. Many companies, pop groups, etc, do this. Wikipedia ignores this, I'm happy to say. -- Hoary (talk) 11:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

A question about image use

Hi! I wanted to ask if it was okay for me to upload a file to Wikipedia. The photo was taken from a website was Scratch, so when you upload something there, anyone can use it, as long as they attribute it to you. I took a screenshot of a project on there (it was an avatar maker) and I wanted to add it to my user page. Should I upload this to Wikipedia Commons, Wikipedia, or not at all? Will I get in trouble if I don't give credit? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, teddyBearRocker. Assuming you are talking about the site https://scratch.mit.edu, its terms of use say that both user-generated content and scratch content are licensed under CC-BY-SA 2.0. This is a license which is acceptable to Wikimedia Commons (see C:Commons:Licensing, so yes, you can upload a file from there to Commons and use it in a Wikipedia article. Make sure you specify the source and the license when you upload it. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait, now it's asking me if the file is my own work. Is it? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123—Assuming you did not make the Scratch project, the file is not your own work. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 00:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I did not make the project. What should I put under "Authors"? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 00:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123—You should generally put the username, and a real name if possible, of the person who made the project under the "authors" section. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

"current"

Why do some of my user contributions say "current" and others do not? What causes "current" to drop off? Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Maurice Magnus! If it says current, it means that it is the version that is currently displayed when you view the page. If you edit it, it won't say current anymore. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. At first I thought you meant that my edit is the version that is currently displayed; i.e., my edit hasn't been edited. But I figured out that you mean that the article hasn't been edited anywhere after I edited it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

How the article is eligible in Mainspace which is already rejected AfC many times

The article B4blaze, which was in AfC and has a huge AfC rejection log also the author was blocked due to paid edit. Later Somebody moved the draft to mainspace see the history. Which guideline the article satisfies and how the article is eligible in mainspace. Still the article is not approved by AfC. How it is possible. Earlier I have warned the same draft author for promotion Onmyway22 talk 16:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could potentially be WP:Draftify, though AfD may be a better option. Annki777, care to explain why you felt the article was ready for mainspace?Slywriter (talk) 16:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

B4blaze had six Declines and a Rejection before Annki7777 cut refs from 21 to 5, cut half of #bytes and moved it to mainspace. David notMD (talk) 17:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: He displays in his user page that he is an AfC reviewer but I didn't see his username on AfC participant’s list, Also there is no notification of AfC approval on authors talk page. also the interest shows a sockupuppetry or a paid edit. The author was blocked by @Jimfbleak: for undisclosed paid edit months ago. Later other novice accounts and IPs came to the draft after the author's block. Finally, Annki777 came and moved it to the article space. The user @GSS: declined the draft first and commented that the references are seems to be paid press release, see reviewers comments. I also warned and reverted paid approaches to this draft earlier. In my research I found there is no newspaper in this name and nothing found other than an entertainment website company Onmyway22 talk 20:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Onmyway22, any autoconfirmed editor can skip AfC and move a page from Draft to mainspace. No special privilege required. It's bad form but not prohibited and the editor takes responsibility for the page. Community is then free to follow other processes including AfD to remove the page. I'd like to hear their reasoning, though this may need to be escalated as the Teahouse is not the proper venue to evaluate the circumstances and behavior. Slywriter (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

PS I see BB has moved page back to draft.Slywriter (talk) 21:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

In the process, restoring the previous Declines and Rejection. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

check the similar article ThePrint with almost same source, if you think this article is okay then why not B4blaze ? this is a legit website with verified Facebook page [1] pls take decision accordingly Annki777 (talk) 19:06, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter @Onmyway22 check the similar article ThePrint with almost same source, if you think this article is okay then why not B4blaze ? this is a legit website with verified Facebook page [6] pls take decision accordingly. and @Onmyway22 how u are so sure that all the references are paid press releases ?? though it might be a news media website it has verified Facebook and if the other similar sites with almost same references okey then why not this ? @Onmyway22 Annki777 (talk) 19:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Annki777, that article doesn't look great but regardless WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an acceptable rationale on Wikipedia. In addition, do you have a WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with B4Blaze? Very random draft to just find and move to mainspace.Slywriter (talk) 19:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter i Don't have any kind of a WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with B4Blaze, its just that i know about this website, and if you see they have won 2 media awards as well and they have verified Facebook page, also B4Blaze have sufficient references that proves that it is a well known website, pls not ignore my article based on past rejection log if you compare it with past references it is different then before, i don't know who have write the article in past. also if you see my editing record i have written my articles on people from the history like John Ovington and i don't have WP:COI or WP:PAID relationship with any of them Annki777 (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: I also agreeing with you. Because the user Annki777 says My article in the above comment and the way he talks, which rise my doubt about WP:Sockpuppet, See the B4blaze author's earlier response on his talk page to the paid edit warning. Also, the draft author mentioned earlier about social media verification of the article like Annki777 did above, SEE the B4blaze author's comment on help desk. Moreover, the awards, there is no official documentation of the awards listed in the article. I wonder if a user came across a draft that has a rejection history, and moved it to the article space instead of submitting AfC without managing a COI. Onmyway22 talk 08:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

There was a report at WP:AIV about Annki777. I have protected the draft against further moving, protected B4blaze and B4blaze (newspaper) against (re-)creation and recommend taking the matter to WP:ANI in case of further competence concerns. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:07, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Wow @Onmyway22 you have wonderful logic, I must say, so if I say my USA that means USA belongs to me ??? is it ? you don't like my face ?? or you have any special love for B4blaze ??? also the Facebook page verification is real pls go and take a look. or wait a minute you think Facebook is a fool to verify anyone ?? Annki777 (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Annki777 I am surprised that you are still trying demonstrate notability of a non notable topic. Also I suggest you to keep your words polite. Thank you. Happy editing Onmyway22 talk 16:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, "my USA" would generally mean that the USA belongs to you. I can't really think of any time you would use that phrase, though. There is the phrase "my America", which is more nuanced in meaning, but not something you would use in an encyclopedic context. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Romanization Transliteration of Romanian name

Hi there, I'm trying to ~~romanize~~ transliterate the Romanian name Mița from D'ale carnavalului. Is there a naming convention like for Hebrew? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 09:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, you are, I believe, talking about writing something for English-language Wikipedia. English uses the roman alphabet. If a Romanian name is ⟨Mița⟩ (which of course also uses the roman alphabet), then why would any transliteration be needed? (If you were asking about something from Transnistria and written in "Moldovan", thus in Romanian but using the Cyrillic alphabet, I'd understand.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: I changed the word "Romanize" to "Transliterate" because the Romanian alphabet already uses the Latin alphabet. I mean that the T-comma does not exist in English, and am asking what would be a suitable alternative. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Then there are three imaginable solutions, QuickQuokka. (1) Leave it as it is, ⟨Mița⟩, because literate readers of English are quite accustomed to diacritics that they haven't seen before (I think it's only double diacritics, as found in Vietnamese, that are a bit hard to swallow in an English-language context), and in order to help those readers who happen to be familiar with Romanian phonology/orthography (2) Remove the diacritic, for ⟨Mita⟩. (3) Follow some convention whereby Romanian ⟨ț⟩ becomes something other than either ⟨ț⟩ or ⟨t⟩. At a guess, perhaps ⟨ts⟩, if there even is such a "transliterating" convention. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Romania is much likelier than this page to get you readers who are familiar with such matters; why not ask there? -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

ELIGIBILITY FOR ORGANIZATION LISTING

Hello all,

Recently I had made a listing on an organization & it was removed under Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Playtonia esports private limited

How do I go about creating a wiki page for an organization?

The below is the message received.

A tag has been placed on Draft:Playtonia esports private limited, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. BrainardTD (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

BrainardTD, Wikipedia is not a business catalog. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Has your company you want to write about been featured in mainstream media in detail and in depth? If not, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about it. Personally, I find almost all the esports long-winded pages pure WP:PROMOTION, with very little substantive evidence of independent coverage of them. See WP:NCORP for an explanation of what it would need in the say of sources to meet our notability criteria. And, please see see WP:COI if you are connected with the business in any way, as this explains how you need to declare that connection before editing here. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@BrainardTD there's a good chance Playtonia Esports Private Limited will never be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, but I will suggest a rather long and difficult task for you. Type "esports" into the Wikipedia search box and a large list of articles comes up. At the bottom of the list you should see "Search for pages containing esport." Click on that and you'll see dozens of article titles. Go through the list and click on any titles for organizations / businesses that may be similar to what you want to write about.

Study those articles. Check to see if there are any citation tags at the top, stating the subject may not be notable, or sections needs more citations (references). Then carefully read all the articles. What is in them, and what has been left out? Look at the references that were considered reliable. Can you find such references for what you want to write about? Can you write in the same style, which should be neutral and "business like" and not flowery advertising words.

If you think it's too much work to study a bunch of articles, then it will be too much work to try and write a better encyclopedia article draft. If you're willing to put in hours of work, and search for good references that were written by someone with no connection to Playtonia, and if you study Conflict of Interest, Help:Your first article, Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources then its possible, but not guaranteed, that you can get your article accepted. It is hard work to get an article published on Wikipedia, and it should never be attempted in order to promote some business that isn’t notable enough. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

New Article

Hello! Thanks for your help in advance. I want to do a new article on Dr. (Donald) Bruce Means. I read an article in this months National Geographic and was surprised he didn't already have one. He is the central figure in National Geographic's cover story this month (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/untouched-by-time-this-pristine-world-soars-high-above-the-amazon-feature). He doesn't have a Wiki page but has an outdated Wikispecies page. I've been in contact with him to make sure he supports a Wikipedia article, and he does. He has a Disney special coming out on April 22 and I wanted to get a page started before then, but after reading about article creation the past week, it seems that won't be possible. Once I have the article drafted, then there seems to be a couple week delay, mainly because of backlog, which is understandable. He has discovered many new species: (Σ = 14 species, 7 genera, 2 families, etc…as of 1-15-2021). He literally has about five new species named after him: Lampropeltis meansi Krysko, Nuñez, Newman, & Bowen 2017. He has a number of books as well. Anyways, as much as I would love to finish it myself, I don't want to hold up the project because of my lack of Wiki-expertise. I have looked up how to ask for an article to be submitted but I seem to be going in circles. What's the best place to ask for a new article? A link would be great. I'll be more than happy to contribute to the article once the page is up. I have done a decent amount of research I can pass on as well as some helpful docs from Dr. Means. Billie J Jackson (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Billie J Jackson Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The place to request an article is Requested Articles, however it is severely backlogged almost to the point of uselessness. It would be relatively quicker to submit a draft at WP:AFC. As you have been in contact with him, please review conflict of interest; Articles are typically written without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Billie. There is a place where you can ask for an article - requested articles - but in all honesty, the likelihood of a request being picked up is small. The most likely way to get an article about a subject is to create it yourself - but that is a very challenging task for inexperienced Wikipedia editors. You could find a suitable WikiProject, and post on its talk page asking for somebody who would be interested in working on the article; but really the only way to get somebody else to work on an article is to enthuse them on the subject.

A couple of bits of background. First, notice that the subject's approval is almost completely irrelevant: if a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there can be an article on them whether they want it or not. Conversely, if they do not meet these criteria, there cannot be an article on them however much they might want it.

If you create a draft and submit it for review, there is absolutely no way of telling how long it will be before it is reviewed: it might be within an hour: it might be several weeks. Wikipedia has no deadlines, and external dates and events are of no concern for the process of getting articles written and reviewed.

You talk of "holding up the project": unless you get the interest of an existing editor to create this, there is no project for you to hold up. I would not advise you to try writing an article as your first sortie into Wikipedia editing; but what you might do is to explore notability and start looking for the independent reliable sources with significant coverage of him that will be required to establish notability whoever writes the article. If you can find enough to ground an article, then that might make the project more attractive to another editor; or alternatively, once you have spent time learning how Wikipedia works by improving existing articles, you might return to this project. Have a look at Help:Your first article. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Billie J Jackson Although I’m pretty busy right now, I’d be extremely happy to help you create the article, as it falls into my area of interest. I see you have created a Draft page. I will monitor that and improve the content you add to fit our style and policies. The key thing is only to add content based upon what is written in publish sources, not from what you happen to know. Even if you don’t yet know how to add an inline citation (via the obvious “Cite” button in the editing tool), just add each statement followed by the relevant url, and I can format them for you later. Feel free to post on my talk page if you need help, or want to attract my attention. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Right now I'm updating Means' Wikispecies. Almost done with those entries, so I'll be working on his wiki page later this week. Billie J Jackson (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

how many independent references are considered enough?

My article on the famous Lebanese and Syrian singer from the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s, Nourhane, was initially reviewed and deemed lacking inline citations. I added those and resubmitted it. It was then rejected for lacking sufficient independent references. There are links to 5 of her songs which were posted online several years ago by a music expert in the region. There are links to an online anthology of Egyptian cinema which cites 3 of the films she acted in. There is one link to a full film that Nourhane had a starring role in and which is available on youtube. An anthology of Famous Lebanese singers from the 1940s has a chapter on Nourhane - the book and its ISBN is listed in the references to the article. There are about 5 different articles (4 in Arabic and 1 in French whose titles I translated) which speak about Nourhane's legacy which are also listed in the references. There is a link to a documentary about Nourhane, two articles around the release of the film in 2016. Please note that Nourhane quit show business in the mid-1960s never to speak of her past again, until her granddaughter (me - I disclosed my connected contributor status) started filming her. She was of course still remembered by music & film lovers, enthusiasts, and experts everywhere who welcomed the film. Thank you in advance for helping me figure out what is wrong with the references I have listed. MayKassem (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is a link to the said draft, so hosts won't need to hunt for it: Draft:Nourhane. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you DoubleGrazing MayKassem (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

MayKassem, it's not just independent references that you need. The sources need to be reliable and independent and published and to have extensive discussion of the subject, and you need to cite them. If you have references that meet all these criteria, four should be ample. Draft:Nourhane currently cites 13 sources – the ones I've checked don't meet all the criteria I've mentioned. It also lists 12 other sources, but doesn't cite them. Maproom (talk) 14:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Maproom :) what is the distinction between listing and citing the sources? Would you kindly elaborate? MayKassem (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

ok, I think I got it. I must actually cite sentences from the referenced articles within my biographical text. Is that right? MayKassem (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

That is correct. You have more info available about referencing at Help:Introduction, for both the source and the visual editors. Make sure to check them out! --AdrianHObradors (talk) 14:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you @AdrianHObradors MayKassem (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this a notable topic?

I found this article request 'History of the word Wallon' (fr:Histoire du terme Wallon) in Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Article requests. Can I make this? Walloons#Etymology already exists. Excellenc1 (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If you think that there is enough material in the sources to expand the topic beyond the two paragraphs, then go ahead; though it might be a good idea to discuss the idea at Talk:Walloons first. NOte that the section in the English aricle is about the English word, where the French article is about the French word. ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It seems like WP:TOOMUCH to me. The etymology and history of that word does not stand out to me as different than the etymology and history of any other word for a group of people that has evolved over the centuries. I think the section you provided is sufficient. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

relocating to area

relocating to area. what kind of community is kohler to live in? wondering what the real estate market is like and who i could contact to speak to for help? 2603:6011:6802:70E6:849D:F8DE:F1CF:457C (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia edited by volunteers. We don't offer the kind of information you seek unless it's provided in reliable sources and included in an article on the encyclopedia. I suggest Googling the community you are seeking to move to and looking at reviews. --ARose Wolf 16:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Draft:Timothy Heffner

Which license tag should I use for a photo taken and given to me by a friend, that I uploaded for the article? Pghmedicine (talk) 00:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pghmedicine The best thing to do is for your friend to upload it and tag it as their own work. It's harder to upload it if you did not take the image yourself. In any event, images are not relevant to the draft submission process, which only considers the text and sources. 331dot (talk) 01:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I already uploaded it to Wiki Commons. I would like to properly tag it and do not want it to be rejected upon my draft submission. Pghmedicine (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Assumptions and Subjectivity?

Greetings... newbie here. I have two style questions about a sentence. It is located at Eugen Țurcanu. Here's the sentence...my questions are about the wording in the parentheses:

Initially sentenced to seven years' imprisonment for his membership in the Iron Guard (to which he had in fact belonged, though he seems to have had a less important role than claimed),[further explanation needed Țurcanu became the leader of a group of detainees whose role was to mistreat and torture other inmates, in order to "re-educate" them in the spirit of Marxism–Leninism and obtain information that could be used by the Communist organs of repression.

1) "...to which he had in fact belonged"...can we assume that he was in the Iron Guard, since that's what he was imprisoned for?

2) "...he seems to have had a less important role than claimed"..."seems"? Is that subjective or guessing?

This is only the tip of the iceberg (the rest of the sentence needs fixed and the whole article needs help) I know; I'm wondering if this long parenthetical phrase is necessary. Sorry I'm asking such a nit-noid question, but I'm still becoming familiar with style.

Appreciate any feedback or advice! Thanks and have a great day! Gingerbreadgal (talk) 14:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Gingerbreadgal Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your question. I read the 'live' article, and feel all the text in round brackets is irrelevant to the lead. Equally, providing the matters flagged up by the tags are addressed lower down in the article, I feel they are also irrelevant, and can be removed. The lead section is a summary of the article, so we don't need to know who sentenced him to death, nor do we need to have it flagged up as a missing piece of information. Providing there is a source that verifies he 'was' sentenced to death, then that should suffice. If we know from the cited source which court or judge sentenced him, that can go in as additional information, but it isn't missing information we need to tag in that way, I feel. Text 1 in brackets is irrelevant because the clear inference is that he was imprisoned because of his membership of the Iron Guard. Text 2 seems like Original Research or guesswork. Is it addressed lower down? if not, remove it with an appropriate edit summary. Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

This is exactly what I was asking about...thank you so much! Ok...I'll get to work on it. Gingerbreadgal (talk) 21:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Marc di Saverio (article)

FYI

– Removed collapsed content due to WP:COPYVIO. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedians: I would be grateful if you could take the below information and turn it into a proper wikipedia article. with gratitude, Leoparid 3000

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoparid 3000 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Leoparid 3000: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please do not copy and paste material from other sites wholesale, as that can be considered a copyright violation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The other point, Leoparid, is that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and people work on what they choose. The chances of somebody carrying out your wish are very low. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Why was the article “Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927)” deleted?

Hello.

I’ve been viewing a few royal articles across Wikipedia recently, and have stumbled upon an article that seems to have been deleted when the person has some importance - as shown by descriptions and sites dedicated to her. May I ask why this article was deleted? The page name was “Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927)”.

Thank you. Dialuanny0 (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dialuanny0: There were a few problems with it. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927) RudolfRed (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

subpages limit

Hello, I have made some Pokémon userboxes (only a few for the most popular ones) and I wanted to check if there is a limit for user subpages? I'm defintely not planning on making a ridiculous amount, but just wanted to check I won't get in "trouble" if I make too many. Thanks! -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any limit (I've got quite a few myself!). The three main things to think about are:

1) logical naming and the hierarchy (which you seem to have thought of already);
2) that you won't ever receive a ping if someone else edits any subpage of your userpage (so make sure you add them all to your watchlist), and
3) ensure you're using them all for the purposes of enhancing the working of Wikipedia (and not stuff unrelated to it).

I think if you follow these tips you won't go far wrong. There are times when we see new users only playing around in their user pages, and never editing Wikipedia itself, but that doesn't appear to apply to you. So, you're 'good to go'! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Why is there a rule in Russian Wikipedia that is literally Russian racism?

There is a rule in Russian wikipedia, which is a Russian racist thing, that implies that Ukraine is not a country, but just a part of Russia - it shows that it is correct to say not "in Ukraine" but "on Ukraine". According to the rules of the Russian language: "on *some territory*" refers only to areas of the country, not to a separate country. GoldNotGod (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia. Russian Wikipedia is completely separate, and neither has any influence on the other. Posting here achieves nothing at all. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

GoldNotGod, welcome to the Teahouse. While I sympathize with your concerns if they are correct, this is the English Wikipedia. ColinFine is correct and we have no control over what the rules are for Russian Wikipedia. Each language version of Wikipedia is a different community with its own set of rules. I'm so sorry we couldn't help you further. --ARose Wolf 16:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If Russian wikipedia has such a racist rule it means that all the admins there support it. I don't think they will listen to me at all. At worst they will ban me (if they can do that). GoldNotGod (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Again, there is nothing we can do here on the English Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeap, I just got banned -_-, a certain Vladimir Solovjev. What kind of site is this where you can write racism, and if you complain you get banned... GoldNotGod (talk) 21:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Once again, we have zero control what-so-ever over the Russian Wikipedia. Complaining to us here achieves nothing as we can't force them to adopt certain policy positions. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

GoldNotGod, if you want to complain about Wikipedia (and complaints can be very salutary), then you'd better decide whether you (A) want to bring about some change, or (B) just want to vent. If it's (A), then double-check the facts and the validity of your assumptions. (For example, I doubt that all ru:Wikipedia's rules are supported by all its admins.) Then try to interest some mass media organization in it (perhaps after publishing a story yourself, e.g. on "Medium"). And/or contact the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyway, as stated above, en:Wikipedia is not the place to discuss it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

create a once deleted article

I want to recreate an article Scholarcss (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Please do not ask the same question in multiple places. [2] AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Then guide properly. dont make it difficulty to write an article Scholarcss (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're looking for proper guidance, see the responses at the help desk, where you first asked your question. Bsoyka (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Writing an article that meets the required standards is inherently difficult. We don't aim to make it more so, but we aren't going to lower the standards just because some users either want an article about something that does not qualify for one, or aren't prepared to put in the necessary effort that tens of thousands of other article creators have managed.

We are also not going to go out of our way to someone who has already had one account blocked for refusing to meet our standards and abide by our requirements, and who has created a (this) different account to try, futilely, to evade that block.

You were given extensive advice at that account, with many links to relevent guidance pieces, just as other new users are. Follow the links and read the guidance you find there. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.209.123.235 (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing Nivek Ogre Page

Added role in TV show EVIL, list somehow wound up on bottom of page instead of Filmography, and it does not recognize there is a Wikipedia page for the EVIL TV Series here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Evil_(TV_series) Don't know how to fix either, beyond my scope of ability right now. Need experienced person to fix. Earthpots (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Earthpots. You accidentally deleted part of the table template's syntax with this edit when you tried to add a new entry to the table. Basically, a table is a template that needs both a "beginning" and "end", and you removed the "end" syntax (|}) when you added the new entry; so, the software didn't know where the table was supposed to end. I also fixed the link syntax for Evil (TV series) as well. For future reference, when a table suddenly disappears like this or otherwise looks screwy after you edit it, it's usually due to something being accidentally added or removed. The easiest way to figure out what might have happened is to look at the page's history and work backwards until the table looks OK. The next edit is usually the one which messed up the syntax. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Squarekilometer

Hello there. I found this redirect to the article "Square metre": [[3]] I can't seem to change the title, or to talk about changing the title. What should I do? Sincerely, SpacedShark (talk) 01:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@SpacedShark See WP:MOVE and WP:Requested moves for processes on moving (renaming) a page. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 02:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Done. @SpacedShark: Welcome to the Teahouse. I've gone and redirected it to square kilometre. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Why are Lofi Artist not credited in Wikipedia

I was wondering in wikipedia when you search for lofi artist,it's not populating good results to the search.From my research i only found the lofi girl label to be listed.The artist who made the label successful are no where to be seen.I am talking about big artist who have millions/billions of stream on social platforms.Can someone explain the reason behind it.Here are some of the artist i am talking about you can check their success in platform similar to spotify.

(1.Dontcry - https,

2.cxlt. - [4],
3.Jhove - [5],
4.Towerz - [6]) Alfreadgilberto (talk) 04:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Alfreadgilberto! First of all, note that Wikipedia isn't here to credit artists, or anyone else who may deserve credit. This is an encyclopedia; see Wikipedia:About for more. Also, note that simply being successful on a streaming platform does not make a person notable enough for inclusion in this encyclopedia. In particular, there are a set of guidelines for the notability of musicians at WP:MUSICBIO. I hope this helps a little. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 04:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. Alfreadgilberto (talk) 04:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Iowa News & Views

I need someone look over my draft. The last editor has not revisited the page after I made changes and left a note on his page. I believe I made changes to make it notable enough to meet the standards but I am looking for further guidance. WUH34 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

No, Bearcat's comments of 10 March seem just as valid now as they did then, WUH34. And entire paragraphs lack any references; so for all the readers know, they could be mere fiction. How is it that you know so much about "Iowa News & Views"? Which sources did you use? Why don't you cite those sources? -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that the sources are the people who were the creators of the show so there is no way to cite them but I do not think it will matter because if the articles I found that mention "Iowa News & Views" are not enough to make it notable then it does not really matter anymore. Also, for those paragraphs there are visual aids from when the show was on to verify all the places it aired and for some of the other sections those answers would be found on the YouTube channel with the actual show. Thank you for taking the time to take a look though I really appreciate it. WUH34 (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for not including this in my first response I have thought about it more and have some questions. Can you explain to me why the articles I added from around the state of Iowa that all mention the show "Iowa News & Views" and often the guests of the show would not make it notable? There are Wikipedia pages for State Senators and State Representatives where the articles that mention them only have quotes from them on a particular issue. It is rare that a State Senator or Rep would get a whole article devoted to them as a person. That means the whole article is not devoted to the State Rep or Senator but that would be accepted as notability because otherwise how could their page exist? What is the difference here? The whole article is not always about Iowa News & Views but they all include blurbs about it which would indicate that it was important enough for local newspapers in the most populous cities across the state of Iowa to include it in parts of their paper from different dates and years which to me seems like it passes the threshold for being deemed independently significant. Here is the definition I am going off, "it is possible to verify that it has been independently assessed as significant by sources other than its own creators."

Thanks again for looking it over. WUH34 (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@WUH34, is "WUH34" the name of a tv channel? If so, an editor might ask you to change your username so that it's clear the name belongs to an individual, not an organization. If it's not a tv channel name, then no worries. Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe it is a tv channel. But if it is let me know and I can change it. Thanks for replying to my post. WUH34 (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@WUH34 No problem, thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record, the AFC process does not require me to personally come back and revisit the draft again just because I commented on it once — and that goes double when I just commented on it, and didn't formally review it for approval or rejection because it had never even been submitted to the approval queue in the first place. (I only ever came across it because you had tried to file it in completed article categories, which drafts aren't allowed to be, and not because it had ever actually been placed in the review queue.) So the reason I didn't revisit the page is because I had no obligation to revisit the page — that's just not how the draft process works. And the reason nobody else had looked over it either is because you still didn't place it in the review queue in order to attract anybody's attention to it: AFC reviewers are not going to just magically find drafts that aren't placed in Category:Pending AfC submissions by virtue of having a submission template on them: if it isn't in the queue, then nobody's going to see it at all.

But that said, you really haven't made enough changes at all. Four of the nine footnotes are still the exact same primary sources that I highlighted in my initial comment as not what it takes, four of the other five are essentially just "on TV tonight" blurbs that still aren't substantive support for notability, and there's still much, much more content in the article that still isn't referenced at all.

As I said the first time, we are not looking for mere verification that the show existed — we are looking for analytical content which establishes its significance. You have only added one source (#7, "Public Access Show Spurs Review by TCI") that actually represents a valid start by being genuine bylined journalism about the show — but we need a lot more than just one of those to deem a TV show as notable enough to get a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 11:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I am very sorry that I did not understand the queue process so thank you for looking again. My intention was not to be rude so I am sorry if you took it that way. So notability requirements essentially mean that it has to have articles where it is exclusively mentioned in said article for longer than the articles I found.

Thanks again for your help. WUH34 (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I have another question so sorry for not putting this in the first response but I just thought of it. If it is not notable enough to stand on its own could it be folded into Joe Bolkcom's Wikipedia page as a sub heading? I am new to all of this so guidance on anything would be appreciated.

Thanks again for your help and time. WUH34 (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Article Submission Requirements

Hello, I'm a new editor to Wiki and I was trying to submit an article on a brand I like that doesn't have its own page. I see similar pages in the same category that are up but get told my subject is not notable enough for submission. I have reviewed multiple articles of similar retailers with similar sourcing that are up, but mine gets rejected and I simply don't understand why. Also, in working on my editing I have noticed A LOT of articles with WAY less information, like only 1 line or less of information. For example, the name of a town or a person that existed, and the entry will be almost no information at all. Can someone please assist me? BruleeOle (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

BruleeOle Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read other stuff exists. Other poor articles existing does not mean that more can be added. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible to get inappropriate articles by us. In addition, the submission process is not required of everyone, and has not existed the entire time Wikipedia has existed. We can only address the articles that we know about. If you would like to help us out, you can help identify other inappropriate articles you have seen for possible action. If you want to use other articles as a model, you should use those classified as good articles.

You don't specify but I assume you are speaking about Draft:JamesAllen.com. As the reviewer notes, "I don't see anything that would make this subject inherently notable, and the sources cited are either primary or offering only incidental coverage (being focused on the products, or the parent company, or marketing tactics, etc.). Notability per WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources." There must be sigificant coverage of this company itself, not its products or parent company, and how the company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. It is not unusual for any company to have common customer service complaints such as shipping issues, either. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I proposed deletion of a draft, and something horrible happened

I thought I was being helpful, but it all went wrong. I used {{subst:draft-prod}} to propose deletion of the draft Draft:Application_of_Isotopologues_in_Mass_Spectrometry according to instructions at Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_(drafts) and the template has turned itself into a hideous, scary and huge warning in vast red letters that PROD should be used only for articles not for drafts. What did I do wrong? I was genuinely suggesting deleting this draft as an AfC reviewer had suggested the material in it be merged to a different article, and the draft's author had agreed and done so (indicating clearly in their edit summaries that the job was complete) - and therefore this draft is now obsolete. I thought I was unburdening AfC of a draft, but instead I'm creating chaos... Elemimele (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Thanks for trying to help, but Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion_(drafts) is a failed proposal, and the template you are trying to use redirects to the normal PROD template. I have undone your change. The draft creator can request deletion, or it will be deleted if it is not modified for six months. RudolfRed (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: thanks for the explanation and for sorting it out! I'll avoid that one in future... I appreciated your help. Elemimele (talk) 08:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

list of open era women's singles tennis by match wins

I was seeing if my request went through it may of failed I would apprecate it if you don't delete the page thanks 2603:6081:1501:BDF8:5119:481F:6638:E445 (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're asking about List of Open Era women's singles tennis players by career match wins, that was deleted days ago. If you're asking about something else, then what is it? -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding RSS Feed

I have a small reader site I want to fetch all the the articles which are mentioned in http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel How can I get the RSS feed of that category ? for example this is for single article only http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Triple_H&action=history&feed=rss IntelisMust (talk) 08:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

There is no such feed unfortunately —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks but if i want to fetch the single article in rss format what would be the extract url? IntelisMust (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

What is a difference between an independent studio and a LLC studio? (Notability question)

Hello there. I am currently working on a draft, which is call Draft:Midnight Society (game studio). It's about a game studio that was founded by Dr Disrespect, Call of Duty veteran Robert Bowling, Halo veteran Quinn DelHoyo, and Sumit Gupta. My third resubmission got declined last month due to the subject not including independent sources and such. I've looked at WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT, and I can definitely tell it's probably too soon to create an article for a game studio that was found 3 and a half months ago. I need to know what's the difference between an independent studio and a LLC studio. And I also need to know if I might need to wait an extra year before resubmitting with improvements. MikeTimesONE (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC) MikeTimesONE (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@MikeTimesONE the gist of the difference is: LLC is Limited Liability Company - that means the owners are protected from personal responsibility for company's debts or liabilities. (If someone sues a business, they might be able to get all of the money that had been put into the business, but they can't get any of the owners' money that wasn't put into the business.) Independent Company (such as a studio) is privately owned, and there are no investors who have a say in how the company is run. Those are both legal terms that may be important for financial accounting, or business decisions, but I doubt the terms would have much bearing on whether a game studio is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Best wishes on your article project. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MikeTimesONE. There is nothing magic about the time you wait. The entire question depends on reliable independent sources. If there were not adequate sources in the past, an article would not have been accepted. If you believe there are now, add them in, (and make sure that most of the article is cited to them) and then go ahead and submit your draft (taking careful note of the reasons for being declined, and any reviewers' comments). ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Writing a biography

Someone is volunteering to write my biography for publication in Wikipedia for a fee. Is this legitimate? 47.197.21.129 (talk) 11:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

It's possible that it is legitimate, but there is no way to know without more information. Many third party groups and people claim to offer Wikipedia editing services, with varying degrees of reputatbility. These are not endorsed by Wikipedia. Keep in mind that no one can make any promises to you(such as writing an article that will not be deleted) and if you do not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person no article about you can be here no matter who writes it. If you decided to pursue that, do not hand over any money until you see the finished product, and make sure that whomever does it makes the required paid editing declaration. If you are not concerned with having a Wikipedia article about you(and there are good reasons to not want one) then just ignore the message. 331dot (talk) 11:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Short answer: Don't waste your money. A little more: There's always a possibility. What's this person's username? We can look at anybody's track record. If this person is coy about revealing their username(s), then why the coyness? Additionally, if you're the kind of person whose "notability" (as defined here) means that you can get an article, then somebody will eventually write it because they want to do so, and without charging you. So why spend your money? -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete articles

I have found numerous incomplte articles on various wikipedias (other than English) e.g. Urdu wikipedia, Punjabi wikipedia and Sindhi wikipedia etc. e.g. on one wikipedia (not English Wikipedia), an articles on London City has been written in two lines only. Does wiki has any policy to remove those articles? Mukhtiaraliunar (talk) 11:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. We cannot help you with any other Wikipedia as they are separate projects. But note that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a work in progress and none of them will ever be complete.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia whose article about "London City" -- about London? about the City of London? (they're different) -- consists of only two lines might have a policy to remove such articles. Try asking in that Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 11:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Citation rendering glitch

In reference 34 of my draft, there's a rendering glitch because of the RtL and LtR text. Is there any way to fix it? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello again QuickQuokka! The problem seems to be in the Ref, after "{{Cite web |" you have "script-title=he:" which seems to be what is causing the strange presentation in the Reference table. Instead change "script-title=he:" to just "title=" (without quotations) & the reference should then look fine. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 12:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Am about to publish my first article, help me check it out

Hello Editors, I'm about to publish my first article and i need you guys to help me with all the required information needed to make it live. The article is already in draft format draft:Joseph Itodo Odeditt (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Joseph Itodo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit your draft. However, you should not do so now. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and their accomplishments. An article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link is Draft:Joseph Itodo, a 19-year-old blogger with a YouTube channel. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Odeditt: Courtesy ping since I think 331dot mistook the name of the draft for the username. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, Odeditt, if you are Itodo (as seems likely from your user name), please read autobiography to understand why writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with disruptive edits/vandalism

So the page Max Park has had people editing the page to say blatantly incorrect information (claiming he has a speedcubing WR when he does not hold the WR they are editing to say he does) twice now, I have reverted the edits but is there anything else I can do? some way to report the user/users? AFrickingNerd (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

AFrickingNerd Hello and welcome. Without having looked at the issue you bring up, individual vandals may be reported to WP:AIV. If this is a habitual problem and/or involves many editors, you may request page protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploading audios

Hello. I wish to a upload an audio of a bird vocalisations. I tried to use the Upload Wizard but it doesn't let me. The audio has a creative commons license. Is there a special way to upload audios? Many thanks. SadAttorney613 (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay I see, .mp3 is not accepted only certain formats. SadAttorney613 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with WP:OR and chained logic.

I have a question about sources and if chained logic classifies as Original Research. Discussion has arisen on the article History of chemical warfare, as a user added a case of killing of soldiers by poisoning of food. There is also a problem with the sources and how recent the event is, so I don't think it belongs on the article for now, and it is not why I am here. Instead I wanted to ask this:

RS say that poison was used to kill soldiers. RS also say that poison is a chemical weapon, and RS mention previous cases of poisoning of supplies as chemical warfare. But, important, RS don't mention that that specific use of poison as chemical warfare. Is making the logic connection valid, or does it become WP:OR?

I found WP:OBV and Wikipedia:When to cite#When a source or citation may not be needed, but it didn't completely answer my questions. I would appreciate the input of a more experienced editor, and if there is already a WP page that covers this subject specifically it would be great. Thank you in advance AdrianHObradors (talk) 15:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

If I've understood correctly, I think you're talking about WP:SYNTH - X201 (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @X201, thanks for the link! It does look similar and I thought that would be it at first, but it isn't quite the same. WP:SYNTH says "Don't combine A and B to imply C, which isn't implied by neither A or B". But my example is, a source says "A is B", and another source says "B is C". Can you then say "A is C"? Or would we need a specific source declaring it? Thank you! AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No, you can't combine two sources to make a point that neither one makes individually. That is exactly what WP:SYNTH is referring to. MrOllie (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MrOllie, perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. "that neither one makes individually" That is the thing, one of the sources makes that point. That is why I believe WP:SYNTH doesn't apply here. SYNTH says "If you have A and B, and neither says C, you can't put C".

But here we have A which implies B, and B which implies C. C is already implied by one of the sources. There is no leap in logic anywhere, as opposed with WP:SYNTH. I think that it would be alright to put on an article as long as it is kind of like this:

"Event A happened which means B.^{source A->B} B has been found to imply C by scientific journals. ^{source B->C}"

Any opinions? Thanks! AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

No, I understood you. That is exactly what synthesis is. If you want to write 'A is C' you need a source that says exactly that. - MrOllie (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Just want to second what MrOllie is saying--don't get too caught up in the algebraic formulation of WP:SYNTH, the general idea is that even when individual sources might be valid sources for certain premises, you can't then take those premises and include a conclusion unless the source also makes that jump. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thanks @Alyo! --AdrianHObradors (talk) 18:10, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Opinions are needed for discussion

Opinions are needed for discussion, see: Talk:Free license#Rename the page to Open license -- Avoinlähde (talk) 17:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Avoinlähde, a discussion like that will naturally draw participants in time; just be patient. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You may be right, it is hoped that a consensus will be reached. -- Avoinlähde (talk) 18:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Deleting an outdated Notice

In the article on Zena Werb (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Zena_Werb) there is a Living Person notice, but she is not a living person. I haven't found a way to remove it. Athel cb (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You can change the "yes" fields to "no" in this:

{{WikiProject banner shell|blp=yes|1=

{{WikiProject Biography|class=C|s&a-priority=Low|s&a-work-group=yes|living=yes|listas=Werb, Zena}} Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you already do this, because I can't find these lines (or anything containing WikiProject)? Also, the Notice itself has disappeared. Athel cb (talk) 17:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I thought you meant on the Talk Page. Someone else removed the "Living People" category from the article, but the Talk Page banner is still there. You would need to make the edit on the Talk Page, not the article. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I have edited the talk page to remove the BLP notice. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thank you both. Probably this problem will arise again in the future, so it's good to know what to do when it does. Athel cb (talk) 18:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

What should I do with my old account?

I made an account (CptOblivious) a while ago because I wanted to fix some errors on a particular page. This year, I joined a WikiEdu course and decided to create a new account because I didn't like the goofiness of my old account's name. Today I found out about "sockpuppetry" and I want to avoid any issue with having multiple accounts, so what should I do about my old account? Is there some way to delete it or something? Syrniki (talk) 18:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Syrniki: If you don't use the CptOblivious account any further, you're fine. You've disclosed the prior account and the reason for changing accounts. WP:Sockpuppetry is targeted at abuse of multiple accounts. As a general statement, there's nothing to keep an editor in good standing from switching accounts—and you are in good standing, as the other account made a single edit that's apparently constructive. It would be a different matter for a user to be in trouble (say, for vandalism) and create a new account to try to dodge scrutiny. Again, that's not the case in your situation.

(Aside: I'm an educator, and I tell students that they want professional-appearing email addresses for when they apply for jobs. So I don't fault you for changing names. The difference is, I encourage students to use their real name, or a portion thereof, in that professional email address. There are good reasons not to use real names on WP.)

Thank you for self-disclosing. Happy editing, and enjoy the WikiEdu course! —C.Fred (talk) 18:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Is this website OK to reference?

I tried to reference https://tarboot.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/carnavalului/ to show that Moran Rosenblatt played Mița in a play of D'ale carnavalului. It gave me a warning that blog sites such as these are to be used with caution. Is this OK in this instance? --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuickQuokka. WP:BLOGS says Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications Is this the case? If it isn't, then no, you cannot cite a blog. ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Numbers? Revision history?

What do the +green, -red, or 0gray numbers mean (+75) (-125) (0) etc mean in a draft's revision history? Chainsawpunk (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

HI, Chainsawpunk and welcome to the Teahouse. They simply indicate the number of bytes of text that have been added or removed in that edit. Nothing else. ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

HBCU 20x20

What am I doing wrong? HBCU 20x20 is a reputable organization and should have a wikipedia page. How do I fix my draft? Valleyrustnet (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interests regarding HBCU 20x20, so it's not recommended for you to create nor edit the article/draft. SadAttorney613 (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Valleyrustnet And anyway, no organization, however reputable, has a Wikipedia page. Notable organizations will have articles about them in Wikipedia. They will be written independently, ideally by people with no link to the organizations, based on reliable sources independent of the organizations. And they might or might not be to the organizations' liking. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for the input. Valleyrustnet (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Tablet Magazine

Is Tablet Magazine a RS? Can it be used? I did not find it on this page, but if something is not on that page, then is it de facto unable to be used? Or are only source in the RED on this page NOT able to be used at all? Curious if this list is considered an exhaustive guide essentially of all sources the world has to offer. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Th78blue. That's a good question. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is a list of sources whose reliability and use on Wikipedia are frequently discussed, so if a particular source hasn't been discussed much before then it's unlikely to have made it on to the list. Given how many potential sources there are out there, you can't really draw any conclusions from a particular source not being on that list. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

So would I be correct then in inferring that when in doubt, WP:BRD applies when not on the list? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Th78blue, Perennial sources is not an exhaustive and comprehensive list. The reliability of any source must be evaluated in the context of the assertion that it is intended to support. In my opinion, Tablet (magazine) is a generally reliable source for most purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

How to i close a file for discussion

ㅤ TheSecondComing10 (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@TheSecondComing10—Non-admin closures are only when you have an obvious reason to close it—maybe there were too many speedy keep !votes, maybe it was by a sockpuppet, or maybe the author asked for it to be deleted. In a standard case, I would not advise you to close a file for discussion, as the administrators will take care of that. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 17:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You don’t and you shouldn’t try in the case of Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 March 29#File:Will Smith slaps Chris Rock.jpg. For one, you uploaded the file being discussed and also commented in the discussion which makes you directly involved and thus your close will be surely and immediately reversed. Then, you were blocked for edit warring/disruptive editing over the file which means your judgement in the matter is questionable. Finally, this is a very complicated discussion involving multiple issues and lots of users that isn’t going to be easily sorted out by even an administrator who is very experienced in dealing with files; so, no non-administrator should try to close it because the close is likely going to be contentious regardless of who closes it and how they do so. The discussion is still ongoing and it will eventually be closed by an administrator when that person believes there’s no more to gain from further discussion. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Huh? What? Marchjuly is correct. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Not seeing a consensus to delete, or really to keep. A bit conflated. I guess WP:G10 is out of the question. This may go down as the slap heard round the world. With echo effects. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

"All we are saying, is Give Peace a Chance" -- Yes --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Could a block be upgraded to a ban?

If some users were indeffed, and then turned to off-wiki harassment, could their blocks turn into bans? Pavlov2 (talk) 16:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2—Check WP:BAN for info on the banning policy, and for off-wiki harassment bans. As for off-wiki harassment bans, though, I did see one example of off-wiki harassment that led to an ArbCom ban. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2: Yes, though absent a "shortcut" of sorts it'd require a (generally very cursory) ban discussion at one of the administrative noticeboards. (Not linking these "shortcuts".) Actual harassment of users off-wiki is one very bright line which leads to an indefinite block at a minimum if it can be proven. (PLEASE DO NOT POST EVIDENCE OF OFF-WIKI HARASSMENT ON-WIKI - instead contact the Arbitration Committee or the WMF's Trust & Safety team via email.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Question

Why did you decline my source creating? (I'm actually American and not Russian btw.) RussianFanboy2010 (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@RussianFanboy2010: If this is about Draft: List of Austrian states by area it was declined as redundant with an existing article. Better to edit the existing page than to make a new one. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I want to create a article on a prominent charter school in the state of Florida but i don't know if it's important enough on Wikipedia.

I am interested in created a page on Wikipedia on Gulf Coast Charter Schools. It's a group of school ranging from grades 3-5 and 6-8. I'm not sure if it's important enough for the Wikipedia standards though. Could you please let me know please? Jaminpatrickpond (talk) 22:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jaminpatrickpond: Based on a Google search this is a nonstarter. (It really does not help that name is so generic as to produce a lot of non-responsive hits.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Underaged editor

Hello, my niece (Redacted) is thinking about editing WP. So I want to know what’s the WP policy for an underaged editor. Orson12345 (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Basically don't reveal personally identifying information or age. Hence the redaction above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Orson12345 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no minimum age to edit Wikipedia. I would suggest that her (and you) read guidance for younger editors. You should read advice for parents(guardians). 331dot (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh ok I’ll take a look at that. Thank you so much! Orson12345 (talk)

Why is Wikipedia spreading Russian disinformation?

I don't understand why Wikipedia is spreading Russian disinformation about the Azov Regiment being Neo-Nazis. There were like nine Neo-Nazis in the Azov battalion in 2014, but they are no longer with Azov or no longer hold those beliefs. I think this is pretty problematic. About half of Russian disinformation articles mention the Azov Regiment, who had 1,500 members in an army of 150,000 before the war. I feel like Wikipedia is being taken in by Russian propaganda and disinformation.

There are doubtless Neo-Nazi members of other armies, like for instance the American Armed Forces. Does that make them a Neo-Nazi military? 2600:1700:72EA:4400:2DB3:22B7:E003:5DAC (talk) 01:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

This is something that you could, and perhaps should, raise at Talk:Azov Battalion. It's not a matter for discussion here; however, I will point out that the claim that it "is a neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine" currently comes with four references -- which looks pretty persuasive, until one notices that even the newest of the four (2019) doesn't say that it was neo-Nazi but instead that it was "initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine" (my emphasis). There has already been a relevant discussion on its talk page; you're free to reopen this but you must bring new evidence or point out serious problems in the earlier discussion. (If you simply pretend that the discussion never took place, fail to point out what's wrong with the evidence that's cited, and fail to provide new and better evidence, your attempt to discuss will be quickly closed.) And a tip: Avoid rhetorical questions. Instead, write very coolly, with evidence. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Убедительная просьба поменять фотографиюngb

http://ru.wiki.x.io/wiki/Яковлева,_Александра_Евгеньевна_(актриса) ---У недавно скончавшейся от рака актрисы и знаменитости имеется большое множество прекрасных красивых фотографий при её жизни, вот они ---- https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=александра%20яковлева%20википедия ---а в самой википедии -там не достойная фотография актрисы незадолго до её смерти...зачем выставлять такие снимки?...замечательная актриса и деятель должна иметь лучшую фотографию своей знаменитой персоны!...Убедительная просьба поменять на более качественный её личный снимок в википедии!...все ссылки здесь прилагаются... Большое спасибо за редактирование!... 95.27.253.20 (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Привет! Это английская Википедия; эта статья является частью русской Википедии. Возможно, вы захотите спросить об этом на ru:Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим. Спасибо, что заглянули! (Translation: Hello! This is the English Wikipedia; that article is a part of the Russian Wikipedia. You probably want to ask this at (the Teahouse-equivalent on ruwiki) instead. Thank you for stopping by!) Bsoyka (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Article about production company; COI

Hello! An article I wrote about our production company (I disclosed COI) got flagged for having too many sources, and sources that weren't establishing notability due to being too close to the company.

I removed any sources that seemed too close to the company (like guest articles on reputable outlets) and keep it strictly to third party endorsed sources; I also removed unnecessary detail and kept to to third party notability-relevant data. Could someone give me feedback if it the article looks fit to re-submit for approval?

Draft:Prodigium Pictures

Thanks so much for the help! Gentle (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Gentle, I find the prose curiously opaque. As an example: Prodigium has been partnering with nonprofit organizations and other infrastructure partners to facilitate social impact. I can perhaps guess what each of "be partnering with", "infrastructure partner" and "facilitate" means, but I'm not sure at all; and such a succession of unexpressive terms has me dozing off, I'm sorry to say. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like pure marketing-speak to me. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for the guidance. I removed the sentence and slimmed down the following descriptions of the partnerships built around Gaming Wall Street. Gentle (talk) 04:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking for someone to create my wiki page

Hello everyone,

I am an actress added in the cast section of tv series here on Wikipedia, however my name is shown in red because I do not have a page. I am looking for someone to create my page because I know that I can not create my own page. How do I go about getting my page created?

Thank you Teacherswhorock (talk) 22:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Teacherswhorock and welcome to the Teahouse. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and only then), somebody could write an article about you. If they do, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit except incidentally, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say: please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

If after reading that you still think that you would like Wikipedia to have an article about you, I'm afraid there isn't a way to guarantee that an article will be either written or accepted. You are welcome to add yourself to requested articles, but in all honesty most requests do not get taken up. If you want somebody to write an article about you, basically you will have to engage an editor's enthusiasm, since all editors are volunteers who work on what they choose.

Don't, whatever you do, pay anybody to write about you in Wikipedia. Anybody who tells you that they can get an article about you accepted and that it will say what you want is lying to you. The chances of your getting anything for your money are remote.

In short, Wikipedia is not for promotion, and people who try and use it that way generally have a frustrating and disappointing time. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I think they are talking about a userpage. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, and thank you for the warm welcome! This information was very helpful. If you know of any editors interested in tv/film please send them my way. Thank you Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Teacherswhorock: Click on the red link, and write what you want, and then publish. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 23:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka No, creating a userpage was clearly not what Teacherswhorock was asking about, and so your answer to them was quite incorrect, and I hope they do not follow it.

Of course, should they simply want to say a few words on their userpage about their interest in editing Wikipedia (or any conflict of interest they might have), then clicking that username in red is certainly what they should do to create it. If TwR could supply us with detailed links to three or more in-depth stories in MSM about her, then we could assess whether Wikipedia might regard her as notable at this point in time. Sometimes we like to advise that it may be simply WP:TOOSOON in one's career to merit a page here, but that might come later as one get's written about by newspapers and magazines, etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Nick! As requested here are three detailed links:

Marvel Cinematic Universe: https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Shalet_Monique

Courior Post: https://www.courierpostonline.com/story/life/2021/09/01/willingboro-shantel-monique-wire-hbo-own-this-city/5603080001/

WURD Radio: https://wurdradio.com/podcast/daybreak-6-11-20-shalet-monique/

Burlington County Times: https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/willingboro-woman-connecting-kids-with/1212008007/

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm11163108/filmotype/actress Teacherswhorock (talk) 04 ar:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I found one more:

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1501685758841/special-ed-teacher-aspiring-actress-from-willingboro-gives-back-to-community-youth Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Teacherswhorock. It might seem as if being written about on Wikipedia only has an upside, but there are some disadvantages associated with it as well that often aren't apparent until it's already too late. I strongly suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is in the real world and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for reference. If someone were to create an article about you, it wouldn't be your article in the sense that you would have any sort of editorial control over its content. Neither you nor anyone representing you (e.g. an agent) or otherwise closely connected to you (e.g. a family member) would also not be able to control the article's content. It will be there for anyone in the world to edit at anytime and all edits are going to be assessed according to relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

For what its worth, there are processes in place to makes sure nothing is added that might be defamatory or otherwise inappropriate and other editors will assist help in such times, but Wikipedia sometimes can move slowly because all users are WP:VOLUNTEERs and such content might not be immediately noticed. Moreover, "negative" content or content about you that you would rather others not know about could possibly be added as long as it's done in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You won't be able to use the article to promote your career or other activities, and article content will only, for the most part, reflect and summarize what secondary reliable sources are saying about you and what can be verified. If you do something good that's covered by reliable sources, then that will likely end up in the article. At the same time, if you do something bad or are somehow associated with something bad that's covered by reliable sources, then that will probably end up in the article too.

Finally, there have cases in the past where individuals deemed to be Wikipedia notable but not actually very well known reached the conclusion that being written about on Wikipedia was more of a negative than a positive. Some of these people even ended up requesting that the article about them be deleted as a courtesy. Sometimes this was done and sometimes it wasn't, but they couldn't just simply delete stuff themselves just because they didn't like it. So, before you try and pursue this any further, you might want to consider whether it's really a good thing for you. If someday your career really takes off and you start receiving major significant coverage in reliable sources, then someone will almost certainly create a Wikipedia article about you ; so, perhaps its better to focus on making that happen instead of actively focusing on trying to get someone to create an article about you now. If you're looking for something Wikipedia-ish that you'll have much more control over for the time being, try looking at some of these. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I truly appreciate you. The information was very clear and eyeopening. I am grateful. Thank you. Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, TwR, but not one of the links you give meets all of the three requirements of being reliably published, independent of you, and containing significant coverage of you. Fandom and iMDB are not regarded as reliable sources, because they are user-generated. The others are better, but most or all their content comes from you, so are not independent. I'm afraid that, judging by those sources, you do not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about you would be accepted whoever wrote it. This is not a reflection on you, and I'm sure your teaching work is inspiring: it is about whether and how much the world of publishing and journalism has taken note of you: Wikipedia articles depend on secondary sources not primary ones. ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

IMO the Courior Post, WURD and Burlington County Times shouldn't be dismissed completely. Yes, they're partly interviews, but not fully. They give at least partial WP:GNG points. Used together, an article based on them may survive a deletion discussion, but it's fairly close to WP:TOOSOON. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. This info is very helphful Teacherswhorock (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Source list

Where can I find a list of reliable sources? I am working on an article but have no sources to back up the information. Oixyplanet (talk) 02:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

You can use the {{Find sources}} template on the page you want to find sources for. It will display links to search engine result pages. For example, for links to find sources for 'foo', {{Find sources|foo}} will produce:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Also, not everything on the internet is reliable (anyone can publish a blog), and there's a list of sources that often get asked about. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 02:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find a list of reliable sources for a given subject would depend on what the subject was. (And bear in mind that for many subjects of great interest to particular Wikipedia editors, no reliable sources exist. No reliable sources means no article; cf this.) So what's the subject? -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/647851

Puzzle-Platformer from 2014. It also has another version from 2017.

Oixyplanet (talk) 04:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, I'm sceptical you can meet WP:GNG on this one, but it's not really my area of interest. These [7][8] may be RS-ish in context, but maybe not. You could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. But there are other wikis:[9]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, you said "I am working on an article but have no sources to back up the information". Experienced editors will tell you that in order to create an articke in WP, you should start by finding sources, and then the article should summarize what the sources say. If you don't do things in that order, then you may end up with unreferenced info in the article, and that info might get deleted. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How do i create about myself on wiki

I am a music producer and i would like to create a page on myself. Is that possible? K3nbeatz (talk) 07:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

K3nbeatz Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is highly advised that you not attempt to do that, please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not interested in what people want to say about themselves- Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about people that are shown to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, or in your case a notable creative professional. It is usually hard for people to summarize what others say about them, because people naturally write favorably about themselves. If you truly meet the definition, an independent editor will eventually write about you. Keep in mind that a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with translating

Hi, I am having trouble creating an English page for a subject that is originally written in Finnish. The Finnish page is not created by me, nor am I using the translation tool, but creating a separate page since I am not part of the English Wikipedia. I'm having issues with referencing. The sources are sufficient in the Finnish version of the page, but not the translation I am trying to create. I am wondering how i can improve this, since there is very little English publications on the subject to credit as sources. I have been unable to find information about this issue anywhere. Khenrikss (talk) 07:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Khenrikss Hello and welcome. Since you are here, you are a part of the English Wikipedia. Sources do not have to be in English. It helps, but is is not required(see this policy). 331dot (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss: for information on how to cite non english sources, please see for example Template:Cite web#Foreign language and translated title. MKFI (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Khenrikss I'm happy to chip in, if you'd like; I can search in Finnish and Swedish as well, which might help. Ping me back, or drop me a line on my talk page. (And FWIW, I empathise, having often come across this same problem, trying create enwiki articles based on fiwiki ones, only to find the sourcing woefully inadequate!) Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Section or sub-section?

A small unimportant question: To add a section 'Religion' to Languedoc-Roussillon, should it be added as a section or a sub-section under 'Culture'? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find all subpages on a user

I have created many subpages on my user account and I am wondering is there is a way to view all of the subpages? Thanks!

Ekh0-1talk 00:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: I found this Special:PrefixIndex/User:Ekh0-1/ but it is only showing two pages. Maybe someone else knows a better tool. RudolfRed (talk) 00:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1 If you created all the subpages, you can look through Special:Log/Ekh0-1 Rlink2 (talk) 00:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much!

Ekh0-1talk 00:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ekh0-1: On your contributions page, there's a box at the bottom containing a link named "Subpages". I usually find clicking on that to be the fastest way of seeing a list of the subpages of a user page. Deor (talk) 10:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding to List of online payment service providers article

Hi there, would it be possible to help me update the table on the List of online payment service providers article page? It is listed as semi-protected and so only certain users can edit. If you can help, please do let me know. Thanks. WellPort12 (talk) 10:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, WellPort12: every article has a talk page. You can make your suggestion on Talk:List of online payment service providers. Please phrase it precisely, and specify your source(s). -- Hoary (talk) 11:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

To add onto the above, see WP:ER for instructions on making an edit request. Bsoyka (talk) 11:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References to an article and translating

Hi! How do I use the references into an article? For example, when I write an article and I start writing information about the subject, how do I use the references and are there any special cases that have to be added? Also, I've found some sources that are notable and I can use to my article, but, they are in a language I don't speak, for example Brazilian or Korean. Do I use Google Translator or is there a more accurate translator? Fisforfenia (talk) 10:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia—Hello! To add references, I'd suggest looking at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn how to put those in templates, I'd suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Also, to answer your translation question, Google Translate is a good starting point, but you should usually fix the translation yourself to make sure that it reads naturally. Once you fix it, if you are not satisfied enough, put {{machine translation}} into the article. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking editors

What to do when the user repeatedly keep moving the pages in Draft with no proper reason, even though the page is accepted twice via AFC. Can we report to such editors and block them to do so or stop the war? Rickinmorty (talk) 12:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rickinmorty! I advise you to assume good faith here, and I've pinged her on your talk page so we can find out what she sees as the issue here.

Bsoyka (talk) 12:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing of an article by a "missing" editor

Hello, I have only recently noticed that my addition to Direction finding was removed on 31st August last year, apparently by User:Sunlight123. I have put a query about this on his Wikipage, but have got no response. However, when I looked more closely, this page has not been active since 2015. What's going on? Please help. D1ofBerks (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I looked at the Page of the mentioned user, and this is "going on": While they made edits until August last year, nobody bothered to post on their talkpage since 2015. I hope, this helps to solve this mystery for you. Greetings, --Maresa63 ^Talk 19:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, D1ofBerks. Although this editor registered in 2008, they edit infrequently and sporadically. They have 83 edits in total, and none at all from 2016 to 2020. Cullen328 (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the responses. However I still need help! As far as I can see, my addition to Direction finding, on Microwave DF, was deleted on 31 Aug 2021. I would line to discuss his reasonings with the editor, but I don't see how to proceed. Thanks D1ofBerks (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D1ofBerks (talk • contribs)

Help in starting a page

Hello,

I am interesten in writing a wikipedia page that doesn't exist yet, about a friend of mine Martin Baker, who is a writer and illustrator in the UK. I couldn't understand how to start writing a new page.

Can anyone help me in getting started?

Thank you,

Inbal Berner. באלי79 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79: See Help:Your first article. Since he's your friend, you have a conflict of interest, so make sure to declare that when you get to the relevant page in the wizard. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@באלי79 Creating a WP-article without any previous WP-experience is difficult. Start with reading WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. If you try to make an article with insufficient sourcing, it will be deleted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Inserting links and references

The article pertaining to the city of Cranbrook, British Columbia, I made a minor update regarding the latest population stats, including referencing the sources I used. For reference, the change is displayed in the 2nd paragraph from the top. I was wondering if it possible for someone to check and see if I have inserted the citations correctly.

Cranbrook, British Columbia

Thank you.

Lawrence Neill (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lawrence Neill,Welcome to Wikipedia! Help:References might help you, especially the screencast in it. Regards. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 18:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

How long for edits to take effect?

Hi, I made the simple change to correct the death date of Franklin Steele, and gave references to show that the correction was accurate, but it took 3 tries and 8 days for the change to show up. I would like to know why this was so slow to be accepted. I have not made very many edits thus far, but I have not previously had this experience of a long delay. BilCen (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Your edits were on the page the moment you pressed publish. I do not understand your question. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 18:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, in your first edit you changed the death date in the infobox. In you second edit you changed the death date in the body of the article. In your third edit you changed the death date in the lead paragraph. All three were "accepted" the moment you hit the publish button as indicated by Roxy above. --ARose Wolf 18:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a moment to puzzle this out for me. I appreciate that you did, and I see what you are pointing out. BilCen (talk) 18:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BilCen Unless there is some strange WP:BYPASS related problem, edits are instant. Per the edithistory, [10], you changed the date in three places, is it possible you were looking in the wrong place? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

BilCen, I'm glad we could help piece it together for you. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes can find things that are overlooked. Happy editing and if you have any further questions then please come back.

--ARose Wolf 18:44, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

What would be the suitable area to ask editors what the usual process is for something.

I'm interested in helping edit or at least watching the development of the article Tornadoes of 2022. I want to ask a question of when editors usually add a tornado or consider it confirmed during current events. Where would be the proper place to ask this question? 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC) Wikiwillz (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Talk page of this article? Ruslik_Zero 20:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it suitable to ask general questions about a subject on the talk page of a sub-topic of the question. Excuse me if I’m being too circumspect. Wikiwillz (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Wikiwillz, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:TALK#USE says Stay on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. If you want to discuss the subject of an article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Reference desk instead. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal.

Does this answer your question. ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikiwillz, this sounds like a good use of a WikiProject. Perhaps WikiProject Weather may be able to answer your question? Aerin17 (t • c) 14:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Why not the talk page? The main question here is when it is appropriate to add a tornado to the article (Tornadoes of 2022). So, this question is directly related to the content of the article, which is being written now. Although the question has a more general value. Ruslik_Zero 19:42, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia BIAS

Deep Thought, Liberally Capitalized

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18:12:02 I have been Hard Pressed to find anyone at Wikipedia to talk to. All they do is hand out a lot of disclaimers, but someone is in charge of the main Page content and I would like to know who. I have been giving to Wikipedia on a regular basis for a long time, but they are making me sick with their bias. Bias comes in what they report and What they don't report while at the same time Pretending To Be Unbiased. Which is Pretty Much what the news outlets do As Well. When I look on Wikipedia to find the results of the NCAA Kansas/North Carolina Game I get the face of a Woman and the lead story is the women's basketball. As If The Vast majority of the people in the country were not Interested in the Men's Basketball; If you believe that Your an Idiot, And Probably don't. But I have to have the women's Issues Stuck in my face, then the next Picture of the Day is A Suffragette. As A Man Who was taken apart in the Divorce Court who in The Name Of Women's Lib Routinely Destroys the Men Who Come Before them, Do not Listen To Them And Assign Them numbers & An Order to Pay Out which most Cannot afford since ii took a 2 Income family To Scratch by Economically and Now The Average man is faced with having to somehow Triple his Income to Make Ends meet And If You can't Your Called Names, Assigned to The Dead Beat File And Have your Drivers License Cancelled And Any Professional Licenses As Well. Told To get menial employment And To Regularly Go back to the Court to Grovel. While Women Have Endless Support Groups where they can go and Lie about the horrible abuse they suffered While Getting Good Material For More lies from The Women in the Groups, All To Gain A Bunch of Sympathy and Support while their husbands Are being destroyed In what Ends up as the Violent Attempted Murder of his soul. Lonely, Put upon, without support, Harassed for Money, Living in his van cuz he can't afford another place to live. Is not a viable support for another woman and Her kids, So His Future is bleak, Might as well kill himself. Why So many husbands go ballistic kill the kids, the wife and Maybe the Chaperone So he Can even see the Kids. And You still can't understand why I am not a fan of women's Lib? Well the Heavy Duty Up Up With Women Approach by Wikipedia Is Making Me Physically Ill, And I Have Cancelled my Support though I am A MENSA, have contributed to Wikipedia, and Probably Will again Given so many Mistakes it the articles. But You Insanely Liberal Morons need to realize that With all The UPUP with Women You do You are stepping on Someone Else Who Would like to See Some EQUALITY. 1 2600:1011:B158:67AC:7116:1C6A:263F:AF61 (talk) 01:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

See WP:RGW for some guidance. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Main Page content, at least as far as the In The News section goes, is decided by a consensus of editors at WP:ITN/C. In fact the men's NCAA basketball is also at In The News right now, in the same blurb. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

For the record, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Posted) NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Championships says: "The men's tournament most outstanding player (MOP) is Ochai Agbaji of Kansas - typically the men's MOP is the image accompanying the blurb, but there is not an image of him on his article as of now, so I've added an image of the women's MOP Aliyah Boston of South Carolina." Wikipedia respects copyright and doesn't pay for images so we need free images. Images on the Internet are copyrighted by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Source Editing

Hi, there I am wondering about source editing. What is it?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Organic Increse45. Source editing is how talk pages are edited and most experienced editors prefer to edit articles. You currently use VisualEditor in articles. You can change editing mode at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45–Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The VisualEditor is more or less a what-you-see-is-what-you-get editor, where what you type in is how it's going to look when published. The source editor, thereby, is editing the raw, or "source" code of the page. The source editor works like a plain text file, but things such as links can be written with brackets ([[example link]]) and templates with other markup like {{example template}}. You can also read Help:Wikitext for how to edit source code. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 23:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Dude! 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Citing source

Hi, I'm trying to add a citation to One Step Beyond (Dungeon album), and I found this archive.org page of the band's website, which contains the discography information. If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information. However, the URL of the album just leads back to the homepage. Is there anyway to account for this while citing it? I'm fine with using both the source and visual editors. 42Pies (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi 42Pies. Sometimes when you find an internal link in a webpage like this one, you can open as a separate window and then use that as the url for the source. If you hover your mouse cursor over the "Music" tab on the main page and then look at the bottom of your browser, you should see the url www.dungeon.cd/music.html. It looks like there's a "Discography" tab on that page that leads to www.dungeon.cd/discography.php and maybe that link will work for you. If not, then maybe one of these archived versions of the "Discography" page will work better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I was just worried that the current https://dungeon.cd wouldn't do because it's the "Dungeon Fan Page" (on right hand sidebar when visiting page) 42Pies (talk) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@42Pies

(Edit conflict): I dont think theres a way to directly link to the page in question, and the URL confirms this.

In the citation include the information of how to get to the page in question If you navigate to the site, and then click "Music" on the top bar, then "Discography", and finally "One Step Beyond", you'll reach the page with the album's information.. You can do this right after the cite template but within the ref tag (easier to do in source mode). Rlink2 (talk) 01:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a draft of a repeatedly deleted article?

I recently created Draft:Magomed Tushayev as I believe the person is notable, but the article has been deleted multiple times. Am I allowed to have this article up and edit it until eventually proving notability and doing AFC? Please speedy delete it if it is not allowed MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 02:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it allowed to create the draft? Of course. Few things are truly prevented from being written as a draft. The previous deletion discussion will only be considered if you submit the article for review or move the article into main space. Which in its current state would be a CSD candidate as there is no improvement over the article previously AfDed.Slywriter (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I haven't looked into the article history, MaitreyaVaruna; I'll take your word for it. Any attempt to create an article is likely to be met very sceptically. So you'd better arm your draft against scepticism. Two points that I quickly noticed: (1) As "He murdered homosexuals. He was killed by the Ukrainian military", you've cited an article that I guess was, or is, in Polish. If it was (is) in Polish, then give the Polish title (to which you're welcome to add an English translation). (2) You've cited Ukrayinska Pravda as plain "Pravda", which of course usually means something quite different. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How is it actually supposed to be?

Is it so that an article must actually be written by a person who knows about that topic a lot, or can it be created by anyone, regardless of how much the person knows about the topic (just for the sake of making a link blue)? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic that meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. As long as you can summarize sources, and are aware of the relevant notability guidelines, there is no requirement that you personally be knowledgeable in the topic you are writing about. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@331dot What is a general blueprint of an article? Almost all of the articles I've made are translations since I don't know what all to add while making an article independently. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I know that such a thing exists but I don't know the link to it off the top of my head. I bet that someone else around here does, though. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1:, every article is potentially a blueprint. For example, if you want to write an article about a famous historical figure, you can find any good article about a similar historical figure, and structure your article similarly, adopting the same formats for its sections, adding images in the same way, etc.; just change the actual text, images etc. to say what you need to say about your subject, and reference appropriately. Elemimele (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellenc1, no, an article should not be written by somebody who is ignorant of the subject area. The article Pentagonal tiling is worthwhile and fascinates me; but if it didn't exist, nobody heeded my pleas to create it and I tried instead, then I'm sure there'd be a great risk that my creation would include idiotic mistakes. My ignorant creation might mislead readers and waste the time of other writers. Before creating an article in a given subject area, be sure to gain experience in improving existing articles in that subject area, and getting feedback that suggests that your mistakes, if any, are very few and very unimportant. -- Hoary (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully agree. Sometimes I have stumbled on something I'm fairly ignorant about, thought, "Hey, this meets GNG!" and made an article. Often short and incomplete, but that's fine in the WP-environment, since I'm not ignorant about WP. Sometimes other writers have improved them considerably, that's not wasting their time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, wow that article is interesting. Thanks! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it ok to copy paste an article from the french wikipedia

Is it ok to copy paste an article from fr.wiki.x.io (webpage : http://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/Louis_Joseph_Alexis_de_Noailles), which about a french politician, translated? Tacomelon (talk) 04:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Tacomelon, by "copy paste an article [...] translated", do you mean "translate an article"? -- Hoary (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

If, by that you mean to translate an article, to create a new one in english, then yes. Tacomelon (talk) 07:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tacomelon, guidance at Wikipedia:Translation, there are RULES. First, decide if you think your politician meets the en-WP demands at WP:BASIC. If so, continue per the translation guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Query regarding adding gallery pictures

I wanted to add some Gallery pictures {from the Commons) to the artist Frank Moss Bennett article. However, as soon as I put the word ==Gallery== before the References four preview warnings came up relating to the infobox template. How do I insert the Gallery without this problem BFP1 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you doing it in the middle of the infobox? Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1, it had nothing to do with what you were adding. I've removed the old parameters in the infobox that are no longer valid parameters, so you should have no further problems. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. That worked fine BFP1 (talk) 08:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Is a book that my professor wrote notable enough ? What determines notability for a publication especially one that is nonfiction

My prof wrote a book called "A world from Dust" (amazon link) and I was wondering if it would be possible to write a wiki article on it and what would determine if this book was notable or not ? Psi-Archimedes (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Psi-Archimedes: Check out the guidance at WP:NBOOK RudolfRed (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Psi-Archimedes, if you can find 2-3 more sources like this [11], you're probably good to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

One more: [12]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

My article is considered for deletion but the discussion is inactive

Hello, my article FoodBeeper is considered for deletion. I want to have more opinions and a fair debate, but no one seems interested in taking part in the discussion. How do you suggest I carry on this discussion? Thank you. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rymknows23—An administrator could possibly relist it to generate a more thorough discussion. Also, I would advise not relisting it yourself, since you are not an administrator. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

3PPYB6 Thank you, it has been relisted. Rymknows23 (talk) 09:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Rymknows23, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, I just want to acknowledge how stressful it can be to have an article of yours nominated for deletion, so thank you for being so civil. The way our process works is that nominations are relisted until they have enough participation, so you don't need to worry about attracting others to it, and indeed, I'd advise against it to avoid any appearance of canvassing.

There are a few steps you can take to help improve the article's odds of surviving the AfD, though. What editors !voting in the discussion are looking for (per WP:NCORP) are at least two examples of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. "Significant" here generally means something like a normal-length newspaper article focused entirely on the company. "Independent" generally means that the content of the article was created by the journalist, as opposed to a republished press release from the company. "Reliable" here means that the article appeared in a respected mainstream newspaper, ideally with a regional or national audience and evidence of an editorial process (e.g. their about page mentions fact checking/a corrections form).

So your first step is trying to make sure you've found the best possible sources. We can help you here if you're wondering whether or not a particular source qualifies. If they have Wikipedia articles, I'd recommend linking them in the citations (if they're in other languages, you can use {{interlanguage link}}; let us know if you need help with that). Once you've found them, you can write a comment at the AfD presenting your three best candidates, explaining why each of them meets each of the criteria above. After that, just sit back and wait; you can reply to comments if you have something else to add, but otherwise just wait. Ultimately, if it's found notable, excellent, and if not, it's possible it'll become notable sometime in the future after more coverage is published. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Sdkb, thank you so much for the detailed explanation, I really appreciate it. one of the newspapers I cited actually has a French Wiki page, I'll try to bring that up in the discussion. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, Rymknows23, but a major reason why I haven't commented there is that you invited me to do so. I don't particularly blame you for having done so, as you did so openly (it's on my talk page) and you have even said on the AfD page that you'd done so, and anyway you're new to this. The AfD has already been widely (and legitimately) advertised: "This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Companies, and Algeria [...] Business, Internet, Transportation and Websites". (Indeed, this may be the widest advertising for an AfD that I've ever seen.) I am surprised not to notice any comments from any editor with a particular interest in Algeria. Note that no comment has demonstrated any kind of indignation about the article or its creator; so if the AfD succeeds (if the article is deleted) but the company is later the subject of more substantial write-ups in reliable sources, then, as Sdkb has suggested, a (better) article on the company should be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, Thank you for clearing things up. Best regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

AfDs sometimes attract a lot of talk, sometimes little or none (another example). -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Calling newbies: Like toys? Want to try referencing?

I've just come across the article Solar-powered watch. It's a short article and (putting aside their quality for a moment) it has five discrete references. Not obviously bad. But then one notices that (still putting aside their quality) the references all support the claim that Orient makes solar-powered watches. Nothing else in the article is referenced. (I wish I could say that this 17-year-old article's lack of referencing makes it a freak, but this would be untrue.)

Well, if you're looking for an article that merits improvement, here you go.

Notes:

All five of the references are to the same website; five of them are no better than one would be, and anyway the website is rather a feeble source.
An extraordinarily high percentage of what can easily be found on the web about wristwatches is promotional bullshit. Look for reliable sources!

Good luck with this (and if I like what I see, I'll upload a photo of a Ricoh Elemex example). -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I've had a go of this, struggling to find anything about them being popular with kids in the 80s though. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Definitely an improvement already, Notcharizard. Thank you. But, as I'm sure you realize, some way to go.... Hoary (talk) 12:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Info from another country Wikipedia

Hi there! Is it OK to use some info from another Wiki? I mean if I use some info I found in Korean Wikipedia is it OK? And if I do I guess I have to use it as a reference?

Thanks. Fisforfenia (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Referencing other Wikipedias isn't a good idea for the same reason teachers tell you not to use Wikipedia as a source in assignments: they're edited by anyone and therefore are not reliable sources per Wikipedia:User-generated content. However, if the information in the Korean Wikipedia is cited to a reliable source, you should just cite that reliable source instead - and if the sentence/prose you use is derivative of the Korean prose, see Help:Translation for attribution stuff. casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia sorry, forgot to tag! casualdejekyll 13:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Ghosty(producer)

Hey I recently wrote the article on the subject above (Ghosty) on The English Wikipedia about 3 days ago and it has been stalled on its review and it's indexing. I created the disambiguation a few days later and that was reviewed and patrolled. May an admin and or a patroller please review it.

M XR98 (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm curious. Why does that article use American date format? - X201 (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

The dates were mainly in dmy format but a few were mdy. I've standardised on dmy as the subject is British, and tagged the article accordingly. Neiltonks (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

References

For my article submission, I have cited a number of newspaper and magazine articles as references. However, I have these articles as physical cuttings in my files. How do I place these articles on the internet so that they be linked to as a valid reference? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The newspaper articles do not need to be online, but you do need to be able to provide the necessary publication information so that others could locate them if they wished; name of the publication, date, author, page number, etc. You would need to do that even if the sources were online. If your clippings lack any of that information, they unfortunately cannot be used. 331dot (talk) 12:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Do I upload them somewhere on Wikipedia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1—No, you do not have to upload them anywhere; as 331dot states, give the necessary details: the name of the publication, the date, the author, the page number, the volume, the link (if there is one, which there likely isn't in your circumstance), et cetera. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Mysky2blue1 When I say "so that others could locate them" I mean in a library or newspaper archive, not online. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, Mysky2blue1, unless the cuttings are so old that they are out of copyright, it would be a copyright violation for you to upload them. Many websites do not worry about this, but Wikipedia does, and forbids linking to copyright violations. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

As an old school person (in college, doing term papers at the same time as the Founders of the Personal Computing revolution), I never cease to be blown away by people questioning whether books and newspapers and magazines--physical stuff that gets physically dusty on physical library shelves--are valid sources for research. In my day, if a thing was only at a library other than your regular one, you: traveled to that other library, or; took an interlibrary loan, or; got your own library to buy a microfilm from that other library. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixing Articles Written Like Advertisements

Hello, Wikipedians. I'm trying to fix some of the "suggested edit" articles on my homepage. Almost all of them are listed as needing basic copyediting, which I know how to do, but a significant amount (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.) specifically need to be rephrased to not sound like advertisements. I've read through the MOS and some of the policy pages for help, but I still don't fully understand how I could rephrase them, and other articles, to be less like advertisements. Any specific advice? SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@SkronklyScrimblo: Greetings, and thanks for stopping by! Sometimes, these tags are invalid, either because the problems have been fixed, or because they really didn't apply in the first place. Your first example, Pretty Pet Salon, doesn't seem to suffer from problematic tone, so I went and just removed the tag. It had been in the article for nine years, and whatever state it was in when it was added (maybe it needed to be tagged, maybe not, who knows?) it certainly doesn't look applicable now. So I just removed it. The second looks similarly mistagged. I haven't looked at the others, but I find that the "advert" tag is often mis-added by some people who think that any article about a commercial entity or product is an advertisement, and tend to "tag bomb" such articles. In general, the "advert" tag should be used only in articles where the tone of the text looks like "ad copy", or otherwise is promotional, using lots of "purple prose" and the like. The first two articles I looked at in your list don't seem to have such a problem. Wikipedia:Identifying blatant advertising is an essay about identifying advertisements masquerading as articles if you want to read some more. --Jayron 32 16:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jayron32 Alright, thank you for the fast and detailed response! Have a nice day, I'll keep this in mind when doing those copyedits from now on. SkronklyScrimblo (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Some of those advertisement tags were placed a long time ago, so they've likely been cleaned up substantially already. But there are still some things to look out for. For example, in the Pet Salon one, in pioneering title in the "Pretty Pet" series of apps, "pioneering" has a bit of subjective puffery built in to that word, and is sourced to a press release. In the Men of War article, this sentence: Two new, story-driven campaigns are added along with new features like the Vietnamese jungle and Cold War weaponry of early 1968. The use of the word "new" here twice is not necessary and seems to "puff up" the game, rather than just describe it, and may showcase some unnecessary details. I might rephrase to: Two story-driven campaigns were added along with additional locales and weaponry. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex

I am quite interested in the 3rd Earl of Southampton & noticed you had included in the information about him (derogatory) quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil regarding the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex, however I notice you have not included the quotes in the 2nd Earl of Essex information. Why is this? 81.110.1.225 (talk) 20:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. It is likely that none of the thousands of people you are addressing on this page had anything to do with either of the articles you refer to. It is also quite possible that different editors worked on the two articles The best place to discuss how an article can be improved is on the talk page of the article, in this case Talk:Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex. ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine, regarding Robert Devereux 2nd Earl of Essex, sorry that my reply is so late. Is it possible to add to the 2nd Earl of Essex article, the information included in the article of the 3rd Earl of Southampton regarding quotes from a letter written by a soldier William Reynolds to Sir Robert Cecil about the 3rd Earl of Southampton & the 2nd Earl of Essex. I realize it would also be important to include the information of Duncan-Jones that William Reynolds may have been a paranoid schizophrenic... Thank you for taking time to consider (& perhaps rectifying this). Best regards Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

IP user, every editor here is a volunteer, and works on whatever they want. Someone might be interested in doing what you asked, or maybe not. The place to ask is on the talk page of the article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the advice, Jessy L 81.110.1.225 (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Do archives have a shelf-life? Are they forever or do they disappear eventually?

Archives can save so much time when it comes to content disputes and I want to know if they ever get deleted. Is it possible to keep them somehow if they do? DN (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Darknipples They are generally meant to be forever. Some of WP:s earliest edits are lost I'm told, and editors don't have to archive their own talkpage stuff, or can archive selectively. But if so, the page edithistory remains anyway. Sites like archive.org may have versions too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

YAY question answered! THANK YOU!!! DN (talk) 19:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new page if I have a conflict of interest

Hi, I would like to create a page for Francesco Petruccione. I have a lot of knowledge on him and his work, therefore I would be able to obtain and publish a lot of content on him. But once that is started, I would like other members of the Wikipedia community to elaborate the page with more detail. It is in the public interest of the Quantum Machine Learning community to have information on Francesco Petruccione in Wikipedia. How do I go about doing that ethically and correctly? Please advise. Many thanks, warm regards, Rene Kotze NITheCS (talk) 19:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2. NITheCS (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Here is another page where Francesco Petruccione is referenced http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Quantum_machine_learning in References number 1 and 2.

I've answered you at the Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time. 331dot (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Lua error

On the page Colorado State Highway 12, there is a Lua error in the table in the section called Major intersections. I lack the ability to fix this and wanted to bring it to your attention. With best wishes, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC).

Hello, Jeffrey, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not seeing any problem in that article. What device and browser are you looking at it on? Do you see the problem on other devices? (It's possible that something distant from the article was broken and has now been fixed. I don't see any messages at WP:VPT that sound like this though). ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

The error has somehow disappeared. Thanks for checking. Sincerely, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC).

Editing

Hi, I'm new here and I have one question about editing articules:

Can I edit them only in english?

Thanks for help <3 LupusAtram (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

LupusAtram Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As this is the English Wikipedia, edits need to be in English(unless there are some specific cirucmstances necessating something else). There are versions of Wikipedia in many lanugages, if your preference is (or you simply desire) to edit in other languages. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@LupusAtram: although English WP must be written in English, and so you must generally edit in English, it doesn't have to be grammatically perfect English. Editors who are fluent in a foreign language are a great asset to English WP even if their own English is a little wobbly, because they can understand the nuances of sources in their own language, and search for sources that a purely English-speaking editor would never find. Also, if you are yourself fluent in English but want to use your skills in other languages within English WP, there is always a need for good translators to translate articles from other Wikipedias that we lack (provided, of course, that they meet English WP's standards). Elemimele (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with References

My wiki: Draft:WRBL-FM So I need help makeing References list on Wikipedia page 2600:6C40:5700:EE91:E919:1E35:B2F3:455C (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Read other radio station articles. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, IP editor! Have you taken a look at referencing for beginners? Bsoyka (talk) 20:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me?
Please do not ever give this sort of response to anyone, you failed to welcome them, you failed to tell them that you appreciate the fact that they are asking questions, your reply was dismissive and sounded passive aggressive, I’m not sure I’m seeing you as an official host, please you can either choose to be very polite at Teahouse or refrain from answering questions there if you cannot be polite, Nick Moyes, 331dot & Cullen328 toil very hard to see that the Teahouse is the friendliest place a newbie can come and feel loved and appreciated answers like the one you gave is very much counter productive. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007It was helpful hint. Take a break. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

VentureWiki's edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers look like vandalism

Special:Contributions/VentureWiki edits at Seahenge and The Pickwick Papers need review. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, 0mtwb9gd5wx! This isn't really the place to take that; perhaps talk to them on their talk page first? Bsoyka (talk) 20:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like vandalism. ....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx, the edits did indeed need review, and they were rightly reverted. But how did they look like vandalism? -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, Bsoyka, there may be a better word than vandalism, I just meant it looked like something that may need to be reverted. Raw links were suprising:

....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 23:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx, please remember that "vandalism" imputes malicious intent. I suspect malicious intent fairly often, and even then I hesitate before calling it "vandalism": I first need to be pretty sure of malicious intent. Here, I don't even start to suspect malicious intent. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

How to deal with troublemaking newcomers

Hi, I've recently noticed repeated acts of vandilisim on articles. Any ideas how to stop them? Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may install Twinkle, by reverting the user's edits and placing a notice/warning on their talk page. You may also ask for permission at WP:RFP/R, but this would be installed by experienced users who have been reverting vandalism for a while. Severe storm 28 00:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Organic Increse45, your desire to counter vandalism is commendable, but your very first edit was as recent as 18 March and you've only just learned how to edit "source". I wonder if you are even fully aware of what is and isn't vandalism. (It's clear that many editors who complain about "vandalism" are complaining about something else.) As you say you've recently noticed repeated incidents, perhaps you could here provide diffs of three unrelated cases, so that more experienced editors can reassure you that yes, when you see vandalism it really is vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you saying that I lack the necessary experience to counter vandalism? I'll have you know that I do know what vandalism means.

Vandalism, action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property. ( ͡▀̿ ̿ ͜ʖ ͡▀̿ ̿ ) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No, Organic Increse45, though you have me know that you can quote the opening sentence of the article "Vandalism", I'm saying that your lack of experience makes me wonder whether you're capable of differentiating between what is and isn't vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 22:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Organic Increse45. What Hoary is referring to is vandalism on Wikipedia. While vandalism on Wikipedia does also involve deliberate destruction to a Wikipedia page, it's important to not just automatically assume that every "bad" edit is vandalism because doing so can often lead to misunderstandings and other problems between users. In some cases, incorrectly calling someone a vandal can even be considered a personal attack. You don't need special tools or permission to "fight" vandalism, but it can lead to problems if you're not careful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Well I do have the experience to differentiate between what is and what isn't vandalism Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 23:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. You should have no problems then. Your original question did make it seem as if you might not be sure because it's not the type of question that is typically asked by someone who is experienced is dealing with vandalism. Perhaps you should consider joining Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit because that project is always looking for experienced users to help out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Is providing a summary on your contributions required? (alternative title: What do I do with a case like this?)

So let's say a user does 743 contributions across about a month (technically it's an IP range, but the pattern is so similar there's no distinction), and of these contributions:

- some remove internal wiki links for pages that don't exist (1);
- others add interlinks to pages that do exist (2);

- some change the interlink from one that redirects there to the final one (3, 4, 5, 6);

- some fix things (7, 8);
- or just change the style (9, 10, 11, 12);
- or add helpful page links (13, 14);
- or change anchor links that don't exist anymore to just a link to the page (15);

- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (16, 17);

- one removes a non existent parameter (I think?) from an infobox and adds an existing one (18);

- one adds an end date to a marriage (due to death) and helpfully adds a relative that was missing from the infobox (19);
- another ignores editor comments, removes it and does exactly what the comment asked not to do (20);
- some more add an end date to a marriage due to death (21, 22)

- another removes redundant (I guess) information from infobox (23);
- others add information from the article to the infobox (24, 25);

- some use infobox formatting to improve and even add stuff missing from it (26, 27);
- some ignore editor comments and even remove them to do exactly what they asked not to do (28);

- some delete stuff for who knows what reason (29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35);

- one adds the display size of the image set to (supposedly) the default (36);
- some do multiple of the above at once (37^{(deletes names, marriage end)}, 38^{(enforced default image size, adds missing relative, some infobox sorcery I don't understand)}, );

- and finally some do things that I don't really see what effect it had (39, 40)

I was (and still am) very much tempted to invest the time categorizing every one of the 743 contributions, but for now I just picked contributions at random.

So yeah, the range Special:Contributions/2405:204:3020:A2B5:BD4E::/64 is doing that, and not a single one of their 743 contributions has a summary that isn't just the automatic ones with the section they edited...
Like, is that okay to do? I get that that's a lot of contributions, some good some seemingly bad (no idea on the percentage though since categorizing all 743 of them is daunting and probably not a short process), but at the same time they're all minor changes and they're so varied that that if there's at least one person in each page that doesn't like the contributions they can revert it (and unless the contributions got buried they would be pretty easy to revert if noticed).

So more concise questions:

1. Is not typing a summary for each change disruptive (in this scale)?
2. Is this (very likely one) user being disruptive enough to warrant reporting? And if so, how would one report someone like that?
3. Which specifically of the behaviours I listed is a no-no that I should immediately revert if I see?

And honestly I posted this because I'm not sure what to do about this IP range and editing behaviour at all, and I'm half-hoping someone will know exactly what to do and maybe will even handle it so that I don't commit hours to comb through all of their contributions sorting the good and the bad into a neat timeline grouped by IPs to make a report(when I find the courage).
But really just some advice would be fine and this felt like the best place to ask. Thank you for your time. 2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750 (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2804:F14:C060:8A01:49F8:DD91:13DA:F750, and welcome to the Teahouse. Per WP:ES, leaving an edit summary is not required, but is strongly recommended. Not typing an edit summary is not disruptive, but will impede communication and might trigger some unintended responses (e.g.: someone thinks it is unexplained content removal). I don't think this user received a final warning; if they did and they disrupted past the final warning, then you can report them to WP:AIV. If you still think this user is problematic, report them to WP:ANI. To answer your final question, though, I would only suggest immediate reversion of the unexplained removal of sourced content—it doesn't look like this user has vandalized Wikipedia yet.

Also, just some technological advice: typically, one person has access to an entire /64 CIDR range (in this case 2405:204:3020:A2B5::/64). This might be why they are making the exact same contributions—the whole range is that one person. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 14:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't seem that they've ever been disruptive enough to get warned 4 times, they've really only been warned once, and info-warned 3 times: info1^{(10th of March)}, info2&warn1^{(14th of March)} and info3^{(4th of April)}.

It does look like they are being helpful, even if sometimes they seem to enforce the style they're going for even with editor warnings asking not to 😅.

As to the /64 range (for IPv6 at least) commonly being accessible to one person, I did notice that (specially when I made this AIV Report, it was really obvious then).

Also I've noticed that you don't really need to remove part of the IP, you can just tack /64 at the end of the contributions link and it works just the same, more convenient.

But really these answers do help a lot, it convinced me that there's no point in combing through their contributions and no problem in letting things happen naturally (with this user), which is great.
Thank you. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:44CA:6E00:BBE0:33A (talk) 00:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

General help about an article

Hello! I'm actually a veteran Wikipedia-n user but I mostly deal with the technical part and haven't spend much time dealing with the small details in regard to article creation, their progress to good articles, etc. Today I was reading this article and given that I enjoy that singer I got curious to see its talk page. There I saw this template that among other things said: Aurelio Voltaire was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. The only problem is that there is nothing below in regard to that. What is that template referring to? That talk page is also missing its archive. The edit summary in this edit reads archiving all 2006-2008 discussions (there don't seem to be any from 2010-2011) but it looks like with "archiving" it was actually meant just plain "deleting". (Is that a normal thing to do?) Maybe there used to be some suggestions which also got deleted and now that template doesn't make sense? Maybe that template has problems? Maybe I'm misunderstanding its meaning? As I'm said, I'm rather unfamiliar with these details about articles so I thought I'd start by asking here. Thank you in advance to whoever can provide some insight! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Good catch, Klein Muçi! You were right, it was wrong; I think and hope that I've now fixed matters; however, do please check this, as I am a bit too distracted now with other, WP-irrelevant matters to be able to concentrate. The GA-delisting discussion took place in archive 3. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, ah so the archives were still in the old name. I see. But I'm still confused: What is that template referring to with There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. ? Below it is nothing. Or is it a general template that assumes that undoubtedly there will be discussions below it that would lead you in the right direction (but unfortunately this article is missing them)? - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, good guesses. What you've italicized above should be interpreted as something like There ought to have been suggestions below for improving the article so that it would meet the "Good Article" criteria." There might not have been suggestions; and even if there were any, then since they were posted below they might have been shunted off to the/an archive of this talk page. Yes, en:Wikipedia can be a bit messy. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Irrelevantly, Klein Muçi, do you think that Draft:Gazeta e pavarur can be augmented? (It currently says so little.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, maybe I should go and change it then. Simply implementing a single word as "maybe" somewhere in that sentence can help make things less confusing. As for the draft you mentioned, it can definitely be improved but I'm not sure if it should be accepted or not. It says that it is the largest (? - What would that really mean for a newspaper? A more suitable English word can be found I guess.) newspaper in Albania even though it is a North Macedonian newspaper only created recently? I live in Albania and unfortunately I've never heard of it. (Maybe because of its very common name?) This may of course also come because I'm not really informed on newspapers so my words should be taken with quite some salt. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, like so many en:Wikipedia articles, Aurelio Voltaire is poor. Note for a start the way in which it blathers on about his name. There are people whose names merit explanation (example); but this article fails to suggest to me that there's any good reason to doubt that his full name is Aurelio Voltaire Hernández (for legal and other formal purposes) and that his working name is Aurelio Voltaire. If this is indeed so, then it's an orthodox name, fitting the standard Cuban pattern. Compare the article Raúl Castro, for which a simple headnote suffices: "In this Spanish name, the first or paternal surname is Castro and the second or maternal family name is Ruz." And that's just the start of the article on Voltaire; some of what follows is worse. (Try for example the paragraph starting [badly] "In mid-2013, Voltaire had written a novel called 'Call of the Jersey Devil' which is available on Amazon.") What I find extraordinary is that this thing was ever a "Good Article". You're very welcome to improve it (and to ignore the unrelated Draft:Gazeta e pavarur). -- Hoary (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, I do share the same viewpoints with you unfortunately. (The "example" was very interesting.) I'm a big fan of the said artist and following his career and personal life (he has a videoblog on his YouTube channel where he often talks about personal details, among other things) for many years I can confirm that most details are correct even though the overall semantics can be improved and also updated (for example, if I'm not wrong, he has published another book lately, currently not listed there). I may consider working on it on the near future. Thank you for your help and guidance!

I also opened this discussion about the template on the talk page if you're interested in following. - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force Creation

Hello, I have a couple of people interested in starting a task force with me, and I'm trying to create a page for us to house all of our information and goals so we can recruit more participants. I plan to nest it under Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress, but am struggling with how to build a new page that will nest properly within this existing project. I've read through the task force guide but am still confused on the template ot make a new task force page. What text should I put at the top of the article to help it navigate properly? Thank you for helping me with this! Wildfire35 (talk) 19:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Task Force you say? Count me in! What am I supposed to do?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Right now, I mainly need help making a page for the task force. I mostly edit existing articles and so am very inexperienced with creating new articles, especially on the WikiPortal. Do you know how this is done? Wildfire35 (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Wildfire35, this link will take you to a Wiki page explain the process of article creation Wikipedia:Article creation. You get started and reply me the article link so I can work on it too.

Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45: WP:AFC only applies to articles; it doesn't apply to WP:TASKFORCEs and that's what Wildfire35 is asking about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wildfire35: You can find out more about task forces at page I linked to above. A task force is basically a sub-group of a WikiProject; so, before you try and create this one, you probably should wait a see what kind of response you get at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#2022 Elections Task Force just to make sure (1) a similar task force doesn't already exist and (2) there's actually a need for such a task force. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Ahh ok, thanks Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Recovered sandbox edits

Hello! I have been editing in the sandbox but my computer crashed and now none of the edits I made are showing up. Is there a way to recover this work through version history? Thank you! Mmmccorm (talk) 01:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse; I doubt it, but a good tip is to copy/paste the editing pane contents up to a cloud - I use a draft webmail, then it's available to any device. I too have lost stuff.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (I am not a Teahouser).

@Mmmccorm it depends on if you saved what you were working on before your computer crashed. I just checked my own sandbox. I always work on edits in a separate offline computer document before adding changes to an article, and only copy it to my sandbox if I want to make sure my formatting is correct. To investigate your question I looked at my own sandbox history, and only work that I saved in order to briefly keep it in my sandbox shows up in my edit history. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I create a new article about a YouTuber?

I want to create a page/article on q YouTuber but don't know how Nascar rules (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar rules: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you are a newcomer, I strongly going through the interactive tutorial and editing existing articles before trying to create an article, as that is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. When you feel ready, take a look at Your first article and make sure you have enough reliable sources to establish the subject's notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nascar rules, Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The vast majority of "YouTubers" do not merit articles, as they do not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The number of followers that they have is irrelevant towards this. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

John Standing

Without going through yet more multiple hoops. Best Alexander.John Standing AaAjl12no (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ajl12no—I'd suggest reading WP:GNG to see if Mr. Leon is notable enough to be added into the article. Also, if you think there is any sensitive information here, please read WP:BIOSELF for further assistance since you are a son of the subject in question. Finally, since your father passes GNG, that is why he is on Wikipedia. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you 3PPYB6 (like a droid out of Star Wars)! With all of the Acronyms lurking and endless complex and mostly unintelligible instructions, this is Chinese to me. In Plain English, who or what do I contact to get information updated? Wikipedia is simply far too complex for an average computer user like me. Thank you again, Best C3PO. 85.255.236.85 (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

In plain English, Alexander, because of your conflict of interest you should not directly edit the article about your father, but you are welcome to make edit requests on the article's talk page (see that link for the details of how you do this). Note the following:

if you are asking to add or change information, the information you want to add must have been published somewhere, and it simplifies things if you cite where it is published. Information from your personal knowledge or from unpublished papers may not be used in Wikipedia. It is preferable if the published source is independent of your father, but for certain kinds of information, non-independent sources are acceptable
If you are asking to remove information (or replace it with other information) then if the information you are wanting to remove is not cited to a published source, there is no problem. But if it is cited to a source that appears on the face of it to be reliably published, then there may be a problem, and you would need to provide (at least) another published source which gave the different information. The standard for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.
If you make an edit request, there may be a delay before a volunteer gets round to looking at it. When they do, they might make the edit exactly as your have requested, they might reject your request (they should give you a reason if they do that) or they might decide to apply your request with some modifications. Of course you are free to discuss this with them, but in the end articles are determined by consensus and neither you nor your father have any special rights to control what is in the article about him.

I hope that clarifies things for you. ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ajl12no: Presumably after you started this thread, Theroadislong has removed quite a lot of "personal life" material. I agree with most of the removal, because Wikipedia is selective about the information it presents. The part about "voiced M in a James Bond radio drama" should probably be reinstated if there is a source for it.

The original complaint still has a point - if personal life details are included, the level of detail should be consistent - we should certainly mention grandchildren if we mention the marriage of his half-sister (!). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit Company Page

Hello, I am working with Actis Capital and we would like to update the corporate page, as the information currently displayed is out of date and incorrect. Could you please advise on the best way for us to do so. Georgia10c (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Georgia10c Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing you must do is make a formal paid editing declaration on your user page, please see WP:PAID for instructions and more information.

Your company does not have a "corporate page" here, there is a Wikipedia article about your company. You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Preferably they should be sourced to an independent reliable source as Wikipedia is primarily interested in what others say about your company, not what it says about itself(except for certain factual information where primary sources are acceptable). 331dot (talk) 09:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why can't I upload a file?

In the last two or three days I have tried several times to upload three files but nothing happens - for minutes into hours the window just says 'Upload in process - Your file is being uploaded.' I have successfully uploaded some similar files in the last week or two.

These are non-free files, intended for use in the article Michael O'Connell (artist). I wonder if the problem is that I have contravened a rule of some kind.

How can I find out what's going on? Tpsoconnell (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tpsoconnell: Hmm, that's odd. If you'd broken a rule and been banned from uploading, you would've heard, so I don't think it's that. Is the file hosted anywhere online? (If so, we can try, and we'll see if we encounter the same issue or not.) What is the extension? If you're able to give a super detailed account, WP:VPT might be able to help. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried the uploads again today. Two of the files uploaded immediately. The other one stalled for a long time, I cancelled it, then tried again somne time later, and it worked.

I conclude that the upload process is glitchy, at least for me. What's it like for other people? Tpsoconnell (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

There’s no other similar complaint either here or at WP:VPT, so if it is a global problem, it must be a rare one. I would guess the problem is somewhere between the Javascript on the upload page, your browser, your internet connection, ... Hard to diagnose especially if it’s on-and-off. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving a page

Hi Wikipedians! I want to move the page Munawar Sultana to Munawar Sultana (actress) to disambiguate it from Munawar Sultana (singer), but I am unable to do so. According to move log, someone had moved the page "without leaving a redirect". I couldn't understand what happened there. Can somebody guide me on this? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Insight 3, maybe you could try to request a move. Kpddg ^(talk) 04:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Insight 3: Before you request a move, make sure, that the current Sultana is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC though. If she is, then the correct way is to place a WP:HATNOTE in the existing article (which I now did for the time being). See WP:ONEOTHER for details. Regards So Why 07:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Insight 3, I was just about to add a disambiguating hatnote to the article on the actor when I noticed that SoWhy had already done so. I don't think that any further action would be helpful. On the matter of primary topic, compare:

Munawar Sultana: page views in last 30 days, 949; length 16856 bytes; page watchers 5
Munawar Sultana (singer): page views in last 30 days, 98; length 6551 bytes; page watchers 1

-- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks guys! I think the hatnote is sufficient. Moving the page is not that necessary to go for a technical request. Insight 3 (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Resurrecting a section of text

Further to my queries about a "missing editor" on 5th April. As, so far, I have been unable to contact the editor who deleted my contribution to Direction finding I wish to reinsert the section on "Microwave DF" back into it. Can I press "undo" on the appropriate line in "View history" on (31st August 2021) to do this, or should I insert the section again anew? This may get it deleted again, but it will at least it will flush out the editor involved. What do you think? Please advise. D1ofBerks (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@D1ofBerks: I haven't looked into this matter very deeply, but undoing the edit that reverted your addition won't work (there have been too many intervening edits since then). Your addition was very large and may startle regular editors of the article if you just readd it. It would probably be best to copy the material into a sandbox in your user space, then leave a note on Talk:Direction finding, directing editors to that sandbox and asking whether they think it suitable for addition to the article. If the consensus supports the addition, you can readd it then. Deor (talk) 17:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou D1ofBerks (talk) 10:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

about my article you declined

hello dear i want to oknow why you declined my article and what should i need ? more references ? so i need articles on media ? should i be coverage ? Xpertig (talk) 08:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xpertig:, have you read the text that says why Draft:Dolama Alzain was declined? You need to show that this person is "notable", which means (in Wikipedia jargon) there are sources which are simultaneously (1) reliable (random blogs don’t count), (2) independent of the subject (interviews, promotional materials etc. don’t count) and (3) deal with the subject at length (entries in music catalogs don’t count). 99% of the time, such sources are newspaper articles, yes, but not all newspaper articles qualify. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xpertig, assuming this is about Draft:Dolama Alzain. See WP:BASIC and WP:BLP. Neither Anghami or Medium (website) helps the argument for WP:N, you need better independent WP:RS about him. Also, don't include biographical info you can't cite. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xpertig Also, you uploaded the image of him as "own work". Did you take it yourself with your own camera, or did you just find it online and uploaded it as "own work" anyway? WP takes copyright seriously. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, Xpertig, the text says he's "a Palestinian filmmaker and writer" (no mention of music), whereas the infobox says that his genres are "Arabic music" (no mention of filmmaking). -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How to find sources for old stats?

Like in Languedoc-Roussillon, there's a line that says "Catholicism is the most represented religion in the region" or that "By 2020, the number of people aged over 75 is expected to increase by 12% across the region". These are simply based on the translation from its French version, couldn't find any sources. Where to find? Excellenc1 (talk) 09:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If you don't get a good answer here, consider asking at fr-WP. And there's the reference desk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

You might plonk the template {{Référence nécessaire}} (or one of the others described within Aide:Référence nécessaire) immediately after any unreferenced assertion (or rather any that, if verifiable, would be of interest and worth adding to the English article), and see if anyone provides a reference; if they did, of course you could then look up the reference. -- Hoary (talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Can I add an image to a draft?

I want to know if I can upload an image to a draft I'm creating. If so, how? MikeTimesONE (talk) 10:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If we're talking about Draft:Midnight Society (game studio) adding an image won't stop a fourth "Submission declined" notice. The answer to your question is that it depends what image you want to add. We need to know that before we can give you a full answer. - X201 (talk) 11:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I want to add an image of the studio's logo. MikeTimesONE (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that the logo surpasses the threshold of originality, it could only be uploaded for fair use within this or that specified article. It's not possible to claim fair use within a draft. Therefore: Simply, forget about it for now. -- Hoary (talk) 11:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@MikeTimesONE If/when the draft is accepted, upload it here:[13] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing separate quotes of the same source material

Hello! I haven't seen an article that has this situation, but I'm curious how Wikipedia will handle it. For example, I have a single source material that says this:

The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.

If I want to cite in an article this source material for both the quotes The sun is pretty big and The sun is also quite hot, what would the reftags look like? LightNightLights ^(talk) 11:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If they're quotes, they need (it needs) to go in quotation marks. "The sun is pretty big [and] is also quite hot."[single reference] Or "The sun is pretty big."[reference] [intervening text] "The sun is also quite hot."[repetition of the same reference]. -- Hoary (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I meant "quotes" as quote= parameters of a citation template (e.g. {{Cite news}}). Assuming that the usages for these sentences (The sun pretty big., The sun is also pretty hot.) are distant from each other and that I want the <ref>-tags next to them to have different quote= parameters but also want them to point to the same source material (in this case, something like Miller, Edward. The Sun. Academic Press, 2005, p. 1.), what would those <ref>-tags look like? LightNightLights ^(talk) 11:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I understand what you're asking for, LightNightLights. Unfortunately I don't know how to achieve it. But the denizens of Help talk:Citation Style 1 will know if it's possible, and, if it is, then how. -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. LightNightLights ^(talk) 12:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@LightNightLights: Does Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations (and the things it links to) answer your question? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
From the page you linked, I stumbled upon the page for short citations, which I frankly didn't stumble upon when I was reading WP:CITE. The only problem is that the example given there talks about different pages of a full source, not different sentences/quotes of one. Borrowing from that page, however, would citations in this format be proper short citations? If not, what would be?

Miller, 2005, p. 23, "The Sun is pretty big."

Miller, 2005, p. 34, "The Sun is also quite hot."
LightNightLights ^(talk) 13:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC) (edited LightNightLights ^(talk) 13:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC))

Microsoft Teams

Add a picture of the Teams for Classroom 2603:7080:7403:18F0:9415:1C24:24DE:6CB9 (talk) 13:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia: the best place to make a suggestion for improving an article is on that article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Microsoft Teams. However, the fact that all editors are volunteers who work on what they choose means that a suggestion like yours probably won't get taken up unless it happens to catch the interest of an editor. Also, adding pictures is a bit tricky, because of copyright: screenshots of proprietary software are almost always copyright, and can only be used in Wikipedia in very limited circumstances. ColinFine (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with Special Notes

In a article I'm translating, there's a specific distinction between two similarly named things that would be awkward to mention outright in the article but also needs clarification for most English-speaking readers. I've decided to include a note, as a footnote, and optimally when hovering over it, the text will show, as it does for references. However, I also want the label on the brackets to not be a number and instead be a string. Is this possible? And is it possible to separate this note from the reference list?

Also, is it possible to include internal links within notes?

TypistMonkey (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@TypistMonkey: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think what you're looking for is explanatory notes, and yes, wikilinks can be used in them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that does seem to be what I'm looking for. Do you know where I could find any articles that use them? I'm having trouble formatting them in. TypistMonkey (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@TypistMonkey: American Revolutionary War has a Notes section that makes ample use of wikilinks in the efns (explanatory footnotes). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Censorship

I have updated a page, receives a message that said I was writing misinformation. I have a screenshot of before and after , and this shows leftist censorship. Jimmymac2019 (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jimmymac2019: You called some protesters "racist" and "ANTIFA" with no reliable source for such characterizations. The whole of the paragraph you edited has now been removed from the article, since it lacked any sourcing. See WP:V and WP:RS; Wikipedia requires citation of reliable sources for any statements in its articles, and doing so is not "leftist censorship". Deor (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, the warning you received says that your edit "did not appear constructive", not that it involved "writing misinformation". Deor (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Jimmymac2019 and welcome to the Teahouse. Along with @Deor above I would say that the editors that have had interactions with you have been quite cordial, civil and informative. I would ask that you do the same when discussing issues with us and not exaggerate or conflate the situation more than it needs to be. I would recommend hanging back and observing how others edit here, pick an editor that has been doing it for a while, then familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies by reading them. Here are a few to get you started WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:YFA, WP:COI among many, many others. I would also recommend going through the Wikipedia Adventure if you are serious about wanting to edit here. Information added that is not supported by reliable independent secondary sources may be removed at any time. That's not censorship, that's policy. I hope this helps and good luck! --ARose Wolf 16:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why or how can I access my aol mail?

Its been several weeks since I have not been able to access aol mail. My search has taken me though Wikipdia and other sources with no success 2604:CB00:1F32:3600:B46B:2487:395B:E47B (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Unfortunately this is something we cannot help you with at Wikipedia; you should contact AOL support for issues like this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask?

Hello, where would I go in order to make an edit request on something (that I assume is) managed by administrators? Specifically I was going to make a suggestions for the "wikilove" when you press the little heart on someone's user page. I doesn't seem to be based on a template. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 16:42, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: I assume there's likely some MediaWiki code behind it all hidden away somewhere, but I wouldn't know exactly. Perhaps ask this at WP:VPT; more likely to get an answer for technical things there than here. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 17:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: You're probably going to want to go to mw:Talk:WikiLove for that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Cheers both, much appreciated! -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 17:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct usage of sandbox

Can I create a sandbox as a subset of an article talk page? Or does it have to occur on my own sandbox? I am trying to 'prototype' an update to a section and it was suggested that I use a sandbox. An example would be helpful if editors have one at the ready. Thanks SmolBrane (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SmolBrane There is no sandbox associated with individual articles, so you have to use either your own or the free-for-all at WP:Sandbox (which I don't recommend as it gets cleared out very frequently). Of course, if you have a minor suggestion for an article change that you want others to comment on, you could just edit into the Talk Page of the article to show your idea. That's the principle that's used when people make edit requests on articles that are locked to them, e.g. articles that new editors or IP editors can't directly edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks. SmolBrane (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

From sandbox to draft file

Is there a way to move my sandbox into a draft file with the references fast? Because when I copy the sandbox, the links are there but not the references.

Thank you. Fisforfenia (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia: User sandboxes can be submitted to AfC just like drafts. That being said, I have moved User:Fisforfenia/sandbox to Draft:Lee Seung-joo for you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt OMG!! Thank you SO much!!!!! :D Fisforfenia (talk) 18:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I nominate an article for deletion?

I came across this old stub that I really do not feel passes as notable—Pacific Union Club Punch—how do I nominate an article for deletion? Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 16:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. You can use Twinkle for easier deletion nominations. Kpddg ^(talk) 16:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Done at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pacific Union Club Punch casualdejekyll 19:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I have Twinkle, I'll need to figure out how to do that, and thanks casualdejekyll ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU DELETE MY EDIT

I MADE IT BETTER AND THATS A FACT Uyuhnhiu (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Uyuhnhiu: Whoa! Take it down a notch, buddy. No one likely reading this deleted your edit. Also, please don't type in all caps unless you intend to be seen as shouting, it's very rude. You've made three edits to articles, this one here which looks like you're just goofing around, this one here, where you added some personal commentary to the article, and This one here, where YOU deleted a bunch of text with no explanation. Wikipedia is a serious project, and I would advise that you stop playing games quickly. If you want to edit articles and genuinely help, please start doing that, but if you continue to play games, you may be blocked from editing further. --Jayron 32 16:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The originator was blocked by Cullen328 for WP:NOTHERE --ARose Wolf 20:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing autoconfirmed from my account

I would like to know if it's possible for administrators to remove the autoconfirmed permission. I requested that all my permissions be removed, but they didn't take out the autoconfirmed. I would like to know if administrators are allowed to remove the autoconfirmed permission. Interstellarity (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! AFAIK, no. They can't. But, why do you want it be removed anyways? There other ways as well, I think, that can help you with your purpose. Regards.Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 17:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Lightbluerain,

The reason I want autoconfirmed to be removed is because I'm not going to use it. That's why I asked for my other rights to be removed as well since my activity has decreased at this point. Interstellarity (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I think that autoconfirmed is granted automatically by software and not something that can be added or removed by admins. You should ask the admin who processed your request at WP:AN to confirm. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Rejection Query

Hey, My first article has been rejected Draft:IEEE_Photonics_Technology_Letters. I've tried looking at Wikipedia:Notability_(academic_journals) to see what I need to add to provide this but am struggling to work it out. Looking at other published artiles from journals from the same society hasn't helped (IEEE Journal of Quantum Electronics and Journal of Lightwave Technology). Any suggestions greatly appreciated Carver1889 (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Carver1889, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for identifying two out of the many thousands of seriously deficient articles that were created before we enforced our standards to the degree that we do today. I have tagged both of them with some of their problems: they may well not meet the criteria for notability. Please see other stuff exists.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you can't find sources independent of the subject then there is literally nothing that can go into the article. I was going to recommend you look at some Good articles about physics journals, but I haven't been able to find any. All the articles about IEEE journals that I have looked at appear to be just as poorly referenced. ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I would be an inclusionist with regard to IEEE journals and a deletionsist with regard to 'sports'; so it bit depends on your biases. Found Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia interesting. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Carver1889, there are differences of opinion about notability of topics in academics among reviewers. Academics doesn't generate coverage in the news media the way many Wikipedia topics do. Your article has not been rejected, just declined. Criterion C2 in Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) is met by using Journal Citation Report as a reference for the unreferenced impact factor in your article and a reference for the Scopus listing. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma Thank you for the suggestions, I may actually have a copy of the JCR data somewhere! Most of the time I'm happy to not generate news coverage except when we need funding and now it appears when I want to add something to wikipedia. (I don't have a COI with any IEEE journal) Carver1889 (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy to not generate news coverage except when we need funding Out of curiosity, who is "we," if you don't have a COI? You don't have to say who you are, but the way you phrased it makes it appear that you have an external relation to this. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that could have been phrased better. I work in a research field that is within the scope of this journal so endup reading it a lot. Not one I've published in, the page limit is quite tight. Carver1889 (talk) 23:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Banning ("Blocking") a New User Within 40 Minutes of the ANI (Aministrator's Noticeboard Incident)

How common is this? I found this alarming. Shouldn't I? I do not believe that the banned user so much as had a chance to be informed of the "ANI?" Doesn't this seem rather perfunctory? Thanks in advance. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. If you have a grievance with an administrator action, please bring it to WP:ANI. This board is not for that sort of discussion. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no grievance. Sincerely.

Thanks for the "answer" but I just want to know - how common was this?

69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

This is a curious line of questions if you have no grievance. Blocking users in general is not what I would say is common, but administrators have a duty to stop disruption to this project, sometimes quickly. The user was informed. 331dot (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I was not referring to any specific user. What is the timeframe of an ANI instigation, the action taken, and the time that the accused user within that ANI's focus is informed? Can it be only several minutes, indeed? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, in any case, I guess this is kind of getting to the point of beating a dead horse. So, if this happens, it is abnormally hasty, and normally, your reply suggests, that it is uncommon. Thank you so very much for the astute reply. Keep up the good work. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Speaking as an administrator, I routinely block disruptive editors quite rapidly. There is no need for lengthy discussion in clearcut cases. Cullen328 (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

So. We have a position that is it's quite rare, and your position is that it can be very routine? It can be "normal" to ban a user account even before the ANI topic has been posted more than an hour? 69.112.128.218 (talk) 21:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

There exist AN/I threads that are just that straightforward, and those ones generally tend to get acted on within the hour. More involved threads, however, are unlikely to see rapid action (or if they do, there's a fair chance the administrative action may be overturned if consensus is that the action was not needed). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

That being said - as far as Wikipedia is concerned, blocks and bans are different. Blocks can be unilaterally overturned (provided the blocked user has a decent argument for why the disruption won't continue) while bans require either a community discussion or elevated responce to overturn. Bans can also be applied without a block, such as with topic-bans. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Very good. It appears that (to me at least) not only am I quite a novice at this stuff, and that contributes to my confusion, that there are more complexities involved here than can be explained in a few paragraphs. I only hope that we all can be open minded and fair, and to not confuse ideological differences with overt mischief and conflate a conflicting position with online vandalism. That is my hope. I see that if a user continually is posting obscenities and silly nonsense on random pages it might be reason for very swift action, on that I do see justification. I think that freedom of speech should be one of the tenants here though, with the recognition that "freedom" of speech is not the same as "frivolity" of speech. I admit I did see a case of very swift action, against a user, who it seemed to me was not being frivolous, but did have an outlying perspective. That is beyond, at least currently, my understanding, at this point in time. Which is why I posted the question above! Thanks to all for your forbearance and patience. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

See WP:NOTAFORUM, as this "general" question seems to have some very specific subtext to it. Free Speech is a constitutional contract between government and people, it does not apply to Wikipedia or any website. Talk pages are for discussions about article content, not a place for people to express their views on a particular subject. So if an editor is disruptive, then yes a block will come quickly to prevent such disruption and an unblock can come just as quickly if they acknowledge the issue and resolve to not do it again. Slywriter (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks user:slywriter; When you state that "free speech is a constitutional contract ... government ..." (assuming "The" constitution is the USA's constitution) that seems odd to me. To me, freedom of speech is a human right that is not "man made" or ordained by men, but is something every human being is born with, and it is "inalienable" which means it cannot be taken away -- even by Wikipedia. No government can take it away, no entity can take it away. This concept was promoted by the Founding Fathers of the USA, in my opinion, and it is tied to the inalienable right of all humanity to liberty (I would submit that liberty cannot truly exist without freedom of expression/speech). I'll defend your right to say that it isn't though!!! Just because someone won't agree with another person doesn't mean that they no longer have the right to make conflicting statements. It isn't the government that gives that right, in my opinion. In my opinion the freedom to speak comes naturally, it's in our blood. That's what makes the world go round, right? Thanks for the interesting perspective. I totally understand your position. I believe you have an inalienable right to think what ever you choose to think. The same goes for every human being, every user on Wikipedia, and that said, you only have so much room for opinion here, pretty much, it seems, or even at that, no room for opinion. You have an inalienable right to that position, to boot. So be it. I'm not interested in causing any discomfort or conflict. If you're so inclined, and to say that you see some kind of subtext here, and you say that unblocks can come as swiftly as blocks, maybe that user still has some hope for clemency. You certainly understand a lot more about the situation than I do. I'm basically just a bystander that witnessed a bust-up and asked a few questions. Nothing more. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody’s right to speak freely has been taken away; there are plenty of ways someone can speak their mind that don’t involve Wikipedia. If someone enters your house or place of business, you can let them say or do whatever they want if you like. Perhaps even at some point (even after only 40 minutes) you may decide enough is enough and start imposing restrictions or maybe even ask them to leave. They have no inalienable right to be in your house if you don’t want them there. For sure, they can continue to speak their mind and exercise their right to free speech somewhere else if they want; they can even complain about you asking them to leave and how you’ve violated their rights if they want. You don’t, however, need to let them back in your house to do any of those things if you don’t want to. — Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I edit?

I think i just forgot how to create my own page, can you guys help me with editing? TtpWiki (talk) 00:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Just click on your username, and just create your own user page. Severe storm 28 00:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

hi TtpWiki and welcome to the teahouse! if you mean creating a brand-new article in wikipedia, you can check over at WP:Your first article to help with that. that, and don't forget to get as many reliable, independent sources as you can. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with an Article about a Person

Hi, I am writing to ask about an article that I started Draft:Apurba Kumar Bardalai. This happens to be about a retired Indian Army officer, who is now one of the foremost experts on United Nations Peacekeeping. The Article has not been approved, since the section on Career has inadequate verifiable references. Now since he is ex-military, most of those claims are difficult to support with links to news articles and such sources. How does one provide such information under these circumstances? Would it be advisable to simply delete such information and allow the article to develop over time? Any ideas from experienced editors would be welcome. Thanks. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonathanvarunbenjamin. Are you connected to the person you're trying to create this article about is some way? I'm asking this because you've uploaded three files to Commons showing the subject at various times as your "own work". One of the images is from 1992 (and it looks like it was scanned from a newspaper), the other is a photo from 2009 that seems like was taken in Lebanon, and the last one looks like a profile photo taken last year that can also be seen used online here. Are you the copyright holder of each of these images? Generally, as explained here, "own work" means you are the creator of the work; for example, you're the photographer who takes the original photo, the artist who paints the painting, the designer who designs the logo, the composer who composes the music, the author who writes the book, etc. "Own work" doesn't mean that you got the photos from somewhere, scanned them, and then uploaded them to Commons. This isn't really related to the notability of subject of the article per se and won't affect whether the draft is ultimately accepted; it does, however, affect whether Commons can keep the files you uploaded.

As for the notability of the subject of the article, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject United Nations or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history since those three WikiProjects seem the ones that might cover someone like Bardalai. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thank you for your time and reply. No, I am not related to the person, other than the fact that I happen to be from the Indian Military. As far as the three files are concerned, all of them belong to the Person themselves. So I will follow your advice and ask for permission on email, before changing the Copyright tags. Thank you for this. I didn't have this knowledge.

I will make the necessary changes and take actions, after which I will come back to you with a request for reviewing the Article. Thank you once again. Cheers.

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 07:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you serve under or with this person or are you otherwise professionally connected to him? Is he a friend? You don’t necessarily have to be a relative to have a connection to him? As for the photos, copyright is typically held by the person who takes a photo, not by the person in the photo. Moreover, physically possessing a photo is not the same as being the copyright holder of a photo. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Not directly under the Person, but in the same Army. As far as the photos are concerned, I have confirmed that he is indeed the Copyright Holder of them - they are from his personal collection, taken by himself. He was consented to sharing with a Creative Commons Licence, an email for which he is sending.

Thanks for the guidance!

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathanvarunbenjamin, he took those pictures himself? They don't look like selfies. Any thoughts, @Marchjuly or @ColinFine? I'm trying to assume good faith... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

It will be sorted out by the Volunteer Response Team one way or the other. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

That is obviously not what I meant. But your sarcasm notwithstanding, I'd expect you to assume good faith in that he had them taken with his own camera(s). The older photo is clearly from an era predating selfies. As for the newer ones, they have been taken using digital cameras/phones belonging to him & he is in possession of the original image files. Thank you for your time & comments. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathanvarunbenjamin: VRT will sort it out. If a VRT member looks at the email and finds everything to be in order, they will add c:Template:PermissionTicket to the acceptable files' pages. If there are any issues with the email that were sent, they will explain them to the sender via email and add c:Template:Permission received to the files' pages. If there are issues that can't ultimately be resolved to VRT'S staifaction, the files in question will be eventually deleted. One possible issue is that it's generally the person who takes a photo who is considered the copyright holder, not the person in the photo and not the person who owns the camera. Giving your camera to someone and telling them to take your photo can make copyright authorship a bit of a gray area and copyright doesn't automatically revert to the person who owns the camera simply because it was taken with their camera. The headshot photo might be OK since there doesn't appear to have been much creativity added by the person who took the photo or if it can be shown it was a work for hire. The other two, however, might be harder to resolve because of the dates they were taken and their complexity (various creative considerations which might be eligible for copyright protection seemed to be involved in the taking of each photo). It could be argued that the persons taking those two photos added quite a bit of their creativity to them and thus they could claim partial copyright authorship over the photos. You might want to look at meta:Wikilegal/Authorship and Copyright Ownership#The Example of the Third Party Photographer for reference. Finally, one thing to understand about Commons is that it requires images be 100% free or PD in their country of origin/publication and in the US. Being 100% free or PD in only one of the two is usually not considered sufficient and such files can be deleted per c:COM:PCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, thank for the detailed and very useful explanation. It has really help me understand the nuances relating to the issue of Photograph Copyrights. I shall keep them in mind and have them conveyed to the Owner of the material. The difficulty in resolving the two photos is understandable. I however wonder if the context in which they were taken - both photographs of military personnel taken in operation areas, makes it easier to resolve; given that it is normal practice for military personnel to have their photos taken - to keep in their personal collections. I sincerely hope the VRT considers this factor.

Once again, thank you very much for helping me out. Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 02:03, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody has answered your original question, Jonathanvarunbenjamin, so Ill try. If information has not been published anywhere, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article, period. If it has been published only by sources connected with the subject, or it plainly comes from the subject, then it may be usable, but with restrictions: see WP:ABOUTSELF. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I have now removed all the portions that haven't been published. But I have left the references to published works of the Person. I guess they are acceptable, since all of them pertain to his field of expertise - UN Peackeeping - a field in which he is one of the foremost experts, regularly participating in conferences and discussions at the highest level.

Could you spare some time to go through the draft and share some more valuable guidance? Thank you for your time!

Jonathanvarunbenjamin (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Not appearing on google search

I created this, but when I search the title on Google, it doesn't appear.

I have seen they appear for other articles

Killing of Amit Chakraborty

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Killing_of_Amit_Chakraborty Ivan Tsar (talk) 04:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Ivan Tsar - Killing of Amit Chakraborty exists within Wikipedia. You created it without going through the Articles for Creation review process. For outside search engines such as Google, there is a delay of up to 90 days (sooner if reviewed and approved by New Pages Patrol). It is possible that NPP, rather than approving, will either deleted it or convert it into a draft if the opinion is that it is not of sufficient quality to be an article. David notMD (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding a page about a micronation established by yourself

Hello there! I have been trying to add a new Wikipedia page about my 5-year-old micronation, in which the main purpose is to show more people the accurate information about my micronation and I wish people that are interested in the same topics as me can get along with each other. But I got rejected once while submitting the old draft. May I know what is the solution to the potential issue of my page? I wish to be successfully accepted because my micronation is about to celebrate its 5th anniversary in May and a new Wikipedia page would be a huge milestone for my micronation. Thank you for your grateful understanding!

The micronation page: Draft:Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia C.R.Eintrachtia (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The solution is to rebuild the draft from material provided in reliable sources (as reliability is defined in Wikipedia). My guess is that these sources don't exist. If they do not (or until they do), please stop your attempt to interest Wikipedia in an article on this "republic" of yours: continuing would only waste people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.R.Eintrachtia I went to newspapers.com, which has data from over 20,000 newspapers, and searched for articles on Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia. There were none. I searched on Google and Google Books. Nothing on the above-mentioned micronation. If you have read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners you should understand that a new draft article for Constitutional Republic of Eintrachtia can't be attempted until you have found a reliable reference for every fact you want to include in your article. It appears that you will need to celebrate your fifth anniversary without a Wikipedia article. Perhaps you can begin promoting the upcoming celebration in hopes of getting some newspaper articles written about the micronation. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@C.R.Eintrachtia Notability is a large hurdle. Also, the name of the country is listed as "Constitutional Republic of Einstrachtia" in one spot. Isn't there a stray "s" there?

The entire article looks like a copy from https://sites.google.com/view/eintrachtia. @Hoary, @Karenthewriter, the source page doesn't have an explicit copyright statement, but is this a copyvio anyway? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@73.127.147.187 there may be copyrigh>t violations but since this draft article has been Rejected (not just Declined) by two reviewers it can never become an article in its present form. However your point is valid, and all editors need to be careful that they are not violating any copyright law by just rearranging what someone else has written and published. We should always use our own words to restate what others have written, unless using a short direct quote, which should always be referenced as being a quote. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter well, they were the words of the article's author ... ~~making it not suitable for showing notability, I suppose~~ well, nevermind, due to the rejection, and I said the wrong thing anyway. Sigh.... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

If you had a question it wasn't the wrong thing to ask. I've worked in law offices, and I write when I'm not on Wikipedia, so I know copyright law violations can be complicated, and cases have gone to court to decide if one writer stole another writers work. But when it comes to Wikipedia articles I tend to stick to Wikipedia rules, which is that you should find at least 3 reliable places where the article subject has been written about, to show that it's a notable subject. (Notable by Wikipedia standards.)

It is likely that not too many people, other than the person who wrote the article about the micronation, thinks that it is notable. If he/she/they quoted themselves in what you found on that Google site that would just be their opinion, and it doesn't prove that there are other people who think the micronation is notable. I've had some articles published in newspapers and magazines, but I would never use what I had published as a references for a Wikipedia article I decided to write, even though I wasn't lying in anything I had published. I would find what at least three other people had published about that subject, just to make sure I wasn't giving my own opinions. I hope my reply makes sense to you, and doesn't confuse you more. Best wishes in your efforts to help here at Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter, yes it makes sense, thanks. My comment meant to say that the draft might be a copyvio, and the web page source (written by the author of ths draft, who is also the "owner" of the micronation) wouldn't even get considered for whether it shows notability. That source is the "vanity site" of the micronation, and its content was lifted wholesale for the draft. Obviously it doesn't matter, due to the (appropriate) rejection. Interesting, though. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving Ru:wiki pictures onto Commons to expand 25th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade

Dear all, after the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has begun I have been sporadically filling in some of the remaining Russian units without articles, today creating 25th Guards MRB. Its predecessor unit the ru:13-й гвардейский стрелковый полк has a number of interesting photos on its Ruwiki page but they are not hosted on Commons - they're on Ruwiki. Does anyone know anyone who could advise on moving them to Commons so they could be added to other language Wikipedias? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Buckshot06: You will first need to ascertain the copyright status of the images. If they are in the public domain, or licensed properly (99% of the time, that means CC BY-SA or a less restrictive CC license), then you can move them to Commons. Otherwise, you cannot (Commons only accepts free images), but you may be able to transfer them locally (to en-wp, and possibly other languages) after checking the local policy for non-free images (for en-wp, that is WP:NFCC, other Wikipedias differ, for instance IIRC de-wp accepts no non-copyright-free images whatsoever).

For how to do it: Special:Upload for a local (en-wp) upload of non-free images, commons:Special:UploadWizard for a global (Commons) upload of free images.

If you have a question about a particular image, feel free to post a follow-up with a link to the exact picture and if possible the date it was taken etc. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much Tigraan!! Very useful to know I had to "re-up-load" them, and couldn't "move" them. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:11, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Переклад статті

Чи можна вам запропонувати переклад статтів з російської мови на українську. Бачу, що багато інформації є на російській - хочу розширити кількість на українській. Дякую за будь-яку відповідь! 93.75.61.226 (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, IP user. You ask about translating Russian Wikipedia articles into Ukrainian. You will have to ask that at the Ukrainian Wikipedia version, uk.wiki.x.io. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC) =

(edit conflict) Hello 93.75.61.226 and welcome to the Teahouse. We can only advise you for the english Wikipedia (where new articles must be in english) but you can try asking at [[:uk:Вікіпедія:Кнайпа (допомога)|The ukrainian Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Be interesting to see how many are editing the Ukrainian Wikipedia right now, as Wikipedia editing is probably pretty low on the to do list of Ukrainians(in the country, at least). 331dot (talk) 09:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Artikel im englischen Wikipedia veröffentlichen

Hey there,

how can I publish articles in the english Wikipedia from Germany?

Regards, AfroStory

Hallo miteinander,

ich bin ein deutscher User und möchte englische Wikipediaartikel schreiben. Meine letzten beiden Artikel wurden gelöscht mit der Anmerkung "Falsche Sprache", was für mich heißt die Artikel wurden im deutschen Wikipedia veröffentlicht, obwohl ich Input Sprache Englisch eingestellt hatte?

Was muss ich tun damit ich in der englischen Wikipedia veröffentlichen kann?

Viele Grüße,

AfroStory AfroStory (talk) 11:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@AfroStory: Hallo, und Wilkommen in der Englischsprachigen Wikipedia. Wenn du neue Artikel auf englisch verfasst, achte darauf, das du dich in der Englischsprachigen Wikipedia (http://en.wiki.x.io) befindest. Die Sprache des System-Interfaces von Wikipedia kann abweichen, so ist es beispielsweise möglich, die Englischsprachige Wikipedia mit deutschsprachigem Interface aufzurufen (alternativ zum Hier verwendeten URL-Parameter kann man die Sprache des System-Interfaces auch in den Einstellungen setzen). Tipps zum Artikelschreiben gibt es hier. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Vielen Dank :) AfroStory (talk) 12:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing a semi Protected article

Hi here! I am Rebecca Jeannette a co-founder Wikimedia Rwanda community I would love to know more about rules and regulations about contributing or participating in the article's Narrative according to the local sense ! thank you! RebeccaRwanda (talk) 10:41, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@RebeccaRwanda Welcome! I think probably the best, and reasonably easy, activity for you and your fellow Rwandan Wikipedians would be to translate articles from the English and French Wikipedias to the Kinyarwanda Wikipedia. See WP:Translate for some guidance. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Cinema of Tripura

I believe that I've used similar references with relevance to Tripura Cinema in Draft:Cinema of Tripura which is also existentially visible that similar references are used with relevance to Chakma Cinema in Chakwood. Though my submission got rejected. Any suggestions and help in editing is highly appreciated. Ninjakiller07 (talk) 07:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Declined (not Rejected, which is more severe). See Comment left be Reviewer. "Other stuff exists" is not valid as reason why your draft should be accepted - equally likely is that those examples should be deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

How to centre a tick in a table cell?

Apolgies everyone - I made an edit before I'd worked out how to do it properly.

I added a tick to Andrey Akimov's name in List of people and organizations sanctioned during the Russo-Ukrainian War but I can't work out how to position the tick in the middle of the cell - you'll see what I mean, as my mistake stands out like a sore thumb! Grateful for any help. Oiona (talk) 13:22, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Oiona: Fixed that for you! See this diff. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Borderline notability?

I was considering writing an article about the artist Corbin Shaw. I made a blank draft page in my userspace, and then tried to make a big list of sources for the article. I found quite a few, but after looking at the list, I feel like many of them aren't very high quality and/or independent (a lot of them are interviews and/or from small independent magazines where I don't know how to judge their editorial standards). I feel like this is probably a case of WP:TOOSOON, but I wondered if anyone with more experience could take a quick glance at my list of possible sources and give me any feedback on this. Thanks! Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 10:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ascendingrisingharmonising. Maybe try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment and see what they say. The term "borderline notability" is probably not a good way to describe something (at least it a Wikipedia sense) and how it's defined probably depends on whether you view the glass as being half empty or half full. If you feel it's WP:TOOSOON, then it's probably too soon; however, asking the members of those two WikiProjects about the sources might help you gain a better understanding at to what types of sources are typically OK for articles about artists. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks, I will ask in the projects. Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 14:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Renaming 'List of districts in India'

Should it be renamed to Districts of India like Departments of France, Provinces of Italy or Municipalities of Portugal? Is it named a list because it doesn't talk much in detail (like about history)? Also, how can it be improved to bring it back to its FL status? I did see its FL removal discussion, based on which some issues were: not having sq. mi., not having history... anything else?
(Random doubt: Why isn't WP:NOA updated? It was last edited on 15th January.) Excellenc1 (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: To answer your first question that is a good question and probably best to be asked on the talk page of that article. It may be worth opening up a Requested move discussion. For your second question, you can make the improvements that were the reason for it being de-listed and ensure that it does meet the standards now for the featured list criteria and then submit it for review, once again on it's talk page. The last questions answer is that the list on WP:MOA is automatically updated through another gadget and does not require user input. If you read at the top of the list you will see it was updated on the 15th of March. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Convert citation to Vancouver style

Is there a quick way to convert an automatically generated journal citation to Vancouver citation style?

I have noticed other editors having to come behind me to correct an automatically generated citation (which does not follow the Vancouver system) over to Vancouver citation style because Vancouver is the style used in the article. Here is a recent example, from the article Addiction → diff.

I have the following gadgets enabled: Citation expander, refToolbar, and wikEd. I have tried ProveIt in the past but it was confusing for me wee brain. But if it can solve conundrums like this one, I will take the time to learn it!

Many thanks - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 20:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation Link Notification

I just received a Disambiguation Link Notification from DPL bot. It says "You added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Distinguished Service Cross. Such links are usually incorrect..." but when I go to the article,The Clay Pigeon and click on that link (it's in the "Depiction of Japanese Americans" section) it goes right to the appropriate page. Am I missing something? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Pete Best Beatles and welcome to the teahouse! Distinguished Service Cross is a disambiguation page, however Rodw has fixed the disambiguation for you, linking it to the proper page Distinguished Service Cross (United States). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 02:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Melecie:Thanks for responding. Is there someplace I could go to learn about this problem, so I can fix it myself next time? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 02:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pete Best Beatles, thanks for asking the question to find out more about WP:Disambiguation. Around 500-800 links to disambiguation pages (dabs) are created each day on wikipedia. It is rarely the intention of the editor & not particularly useful to readers, who should be directed to the relevant article - in this case Distinguished Service Cross (United States). The guideline at WP:Disambiguation explains the issue and suggests ways you can avoid the problem or deal with it once identified. Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links provides a range of tools and (daily) reports for identifying dab links, which a small number of us try to resolve. If you have further questions you are welcome to contact me via my tak page.— Rod ^talk 07:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: There's a great way to avoid and recognise inadvertent DAB links that uses a trick with your personal css page (see WP:css if you don't know what that is). You need to paste the code .mw-disambig { color: #FF8921 !important; } /* Orange */ into a line of your css page that you'll find at Special:MyPage/common.css. Now DAB links appear (in preview and after saving) as orange rather than blue links. The code .mw-redirect {color: green;} does the same for links that go to redirect pages, turning them green. Used together, these make the various type of links stand out and, for example, I'm able to see that Distinguished Service Cross is a DAB-link as it is always in orange in my browser. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull:, that's a great suggestion, and very revealing on some pages. I would add that the orange disambiguation links remain after I visit them, but the green redirect links go back to the standard 'visited' colour. Is that to do with the '!important' tag? -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 20:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Answer: Yes. I added the !important tag and the colour persists. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 20:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Question in Tamil

பால்பாண்டி 2409:4072:641D:B648:0:0:194C:80A0 (talk) 08:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! this is for asking questions about the english wikipedia. if you have questions about dairy, see Dairy. if you have questions about editing the tamil wikipedia, perhaps you can find a better answer somewhere at the Tamil wikipedia. happy reading! melecie talk - 08:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Google translation removed. Don't ever add Google translated replies unless you do understand the language well enough to see that the reply is not gobbledygook, or means something very different from what you wanted to say! --bonadea contributions talk 09:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

This is doubly so for Indian Subcontinental languages, as automated translation generally returns word salad or otherwise incomprehensible results. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Somebody's phone number. remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan Tsar (talk • contribs) 09:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe so. Fixed, just in case. --bonadea contributions talk 09:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Why doesn't my preferences save?

Hi! So, I saw an option in my preferences that allowed me to hide my edits from my watch list. However, it doesn't seem to work. I can still tell I set the option; it's just the edits still show. Is there a way to fix this? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 18:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

TeddyBearRocker123, hello and welcome to the Teahouse we are glad to have you, your preferences don’t save you say? Have you tried editing from another device or a different browser? Hey If you are seeing your own edits that is because you added your page to your watchlist, this isn’t so hard to undo what you want to do is click on the Star like figure on your Userpage and this should remove your user page and talk page from your watchlist. Please let me know what happens after you have done this. Celestina007 (talk) 20:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I removed my user page from my watch list, then I made an edit to my user page, then my user page got added back to my watch list, and the edit still shows up. I have tried using my other device, but it still showed up. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:46, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, sorry for me accidentally editing your response. I have no clue how that happened.(|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 20:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123: Are you trying to stop from having pages you edit being added to your watch list or stopping your edits from appearing on your watch list? If you are looking to stop automatically adding pages to your watchlist then that is under Watchlist preferences -> Watched pages. If you just trying to hide your own edits from the watchlist I find setting it in the filter, on your watchlist page, the better option. Add the "changes by others" filter in the filter bar on that page. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 21:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm looking to hide my edits from my watch list. I do not see a filter on my watch list. (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

On desktop it will be near the top right under mark all changes as seen. You should first see "Active filters" then you should see a box below that for filter changes when you click "Filter changes" it should give you a long drop box of options. On mobile it very similar except instead of Filter change the box to click on will simply say Filters. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you enable real-time changes on your watchlist when filters are changed (Preferences → Watchlist →

Reload the watchlist automatically whenever a filter is changed (JavaScript required), or using the Javascript interface (Preferences → Watchlist →

Use non-Javascript interface)? If you didn't, after choosing the filters you want, did you click the Show button next to the Namespace dropdown menu? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't have those options, but I do know that since I'm on mobile, some of these things don't work. The filters, when I'm on a computer, hide my edits, but when I'm on mobile, they don't. Is there a way to fix this, or no? (|)TeddyBearRocker123(|)Chat(|) 22:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

MOS:SPACEUNDERHEADING

I tried to get a link of "MOS:SPACEUNDERHEADING" to work, but I forgot how to make that work, please help, see here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings, you will see it is currently "red linked" and I want to turn that baby blue. Thanks. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue:

Done. I created a redirect. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:10, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Th78blue, welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, well done on the good idea! Just taking a step back for a second though, there is consensus for inclusion of some additional guidance to MOS:ACCESS, but has there been any discussion on the wording as suggested by the RfC closer? This is important because the text needs to reflect the consensus. It also apparent that the added text, while well written, could perhaps be written a tad more succinctly. I like the shortcut, it's catchy. I would have suggested 'MOS:HEADSPACE' although i can see that might get confusing XD. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Zindor, I worded as best that I could, but if you think that any part in particular needs to be changed, or abbreviated to be shorter, please let me know how and we can probably try and make that happen. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 22:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll take a look now, although i don't work fast so you'll have to bear with me Zindor (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Th78blue, i'm drafting a shorter version in my sandbox. I haven't read the RfC discussion yet, and will do that next, so if i've misunderstood some nuances in the wording that's why. Zindor (talk) 22:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, i've read the RfC. In future Th78blue, remember to pay close attention to the words of the closer. S Marshall thought it important that the wording be discussed before it was added to the MOS. This might have felt like unnecessary bureaucracy, some would argue so, but in my view it was a sensible and uncontroversial next step. Th78blue, i still think you should post on the talk page of MOS:ACCESS and ask if anyone has wording suggestions, then proceed from there. As you can see from my sandbox, i think it may be possible to half the amount of words. I don't think you need to revert yourself, the addition was hasty not controversial. All the best, Zindor (talk) 23:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

He did, Zindor. See my talk page.—S Marshall T/C 23:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, Th78blue, i didn't read the tp section closely enough. Although in honesty the post is confusing and TL;DR, i think you may have gotten more response if you'd simply asked for wording advice, linked the RfC and posted an example of what you proposed. Many RfC contributors probably have the talk page watchlisted, but consider pinging some contributors (including one's who opposed) for input. Zindor (talk) 00:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

How to publish a biography

Courtesy link: Draft:Kolawole Olagboyega
One of my students has written a biography about me. However, he does not know how to publish it. Can you please help. Professor (Chief) Kolawole Waziri Olagboyega (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

There is a blue 'submit' rectangle above the draft, which will send it to a reviewer. However, there is a serious problem: Apparently, the draft was started in September by an editor User:Tamiduke later indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Professor Olagboyega I have submitted it for review. Excellenc1 (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Professor (Chief) Kolawole Waziri Olagboyega, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, I’m afraid I have not so good news, I have declined the submission, secondly your student Tamiduke isn’t such a good editor they have behaved poorly by engaging in unethical practices which has seen them indefinitely blocked from this website, if I may did this student of yours receive any reward from you? I’m afraid they possibly knew you weren’t notable by our standards and has tricked you. Thirdly it largely appears your aim is to publish your biography? If this is so, we have a third problem which is you are strongly discouraged from attempting to create an article on yourself please read WP:AUTO, we have a fourth problem which is if creating an article on yourself is your sole mission here you might be blocked from accessing this website too just as your student who was blocked. Please let me know if you have a further questions, I note your name to be concomitant with the Yoruba people of Nigeria and coincidentally Omo Eko Ni Mi I am a Nigerian living in Lagos, I hope that lightens your mood asides that I’m sorry we may not be of help to you moving forward. You may however list your name at WP:RA and an editor here would assist you in creating the article, unfortunately that wouldn’t be me. If you have more questions please do ask them. Celestina007 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Submitted, and declined. As the subject of the article, you are asked to request changes on the Talk page of the draft rather than editing directly. While Celestina007 suggested WP:RA as an option, the reality is, that is a dead letter option, i.e., many requests and rare that any editor acts. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

You began by stating that one of your students created the article. The creating editor - Tamiduke - was active Feb 2021 to Sept 2021, then blocked, so possible your student contracted with an undeclared paid editor to create the article. The creating editor was blocked for being the false account of a person who began editing in January 2020 and subsequently created dozens of false accounts. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

David notMD, indeed using the WP:RA method may be a stretch nonetheless we are mandated to let them know of all the possible routes they may use in seeing their article created. It is an obligation we owe to them. Celestina007 (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Why Were My Edits Rejects For Being Unconstructive?

I edited the first paragraph of the article on Atmospheric-Pressure Chemical Ionization, a subject with which I am very familiar, because it was awkwardly written, a bit incomplete and not factually correct in that it referenced only one application of APCI - its use with LC-MS. I retained the original content of the paragraph, re-phrased it slightly more simply, clarified the fact that LC-MS is only one of the applications of the ion source, and that LC-MS sample inlet is not strictly considered part of the ion source. I was about to add material referencing other applications of APCI when my edits for the first paragraph were rejected. So, what did I do wrong? I have asked the editor who rejected the edits for an explanation but have not received a reply. I don't understand the criticism of being unconstructive. As far as I am concerned, I improved the clarity of the language, and improved the accuracy of the material.Brucet8585 (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Brucet8585, welcome to the Teahouse. I've used a ping to alert Sea Cow to your question, as they may not have been aware. Being bold is ok, and i wouldn't consider your edit unconstructive, but i can see why it may have been reverted. The lede is a summary of the article, and should reflect it. Is HPLC mentioned in the same way in article? Also, we often have to write not what we know but what is said in reliable independent third party sources, so it may be useful to find references for the information you would like to add. I can't speculate any further, it would be wise to see wait and see what Sea Cow has to say. Zindor (talk) 02:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Brucet8585. I think the user who reverted you most likely focused on the (accidental?) damage you did to one of the section headings and just reverted your entire edit because of that. Personally, that revert seems overzealous per WP:REVERT#Before reverting and WP:REVONLY even though the other user probably meant well. Same goes for the user warning added to your user talk page; it was probably added with the best of intentions, but not really warranted. — Marchjuly (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Side note: discussion now on OP's talk page. Brucet8585, i hope the situation is now more clarified. If there's anything else we can help with, just let us know, you're welcome back here anytime. Zindor (talk) 02:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Would someone please revert Sea Cow's revert and then fix the error in the section title? David notMD (talk) 02:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Sea Cow did reply to my query on my talk page and clarified that it was my error in the heading, which was embarrassing! A good object lesson to me on being more careful with my edits. Brucet8585 (talk) 02:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Horizotal Gif Creation

Hi, I would like to find out how to create a group of horizontal gif's on wikicommons; having about four images and creating a horizontal gif moving from left to right or how do can I get gif images on climate or human right and how can I make this gif's move from left to right on wikimedia commons. I will be using the gif's on this meta-page (Wiki-Green Con) -> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki-Green_Conference. Jwale2 (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2, PLEASE don't put moving images in an article. It is very distracting for many people, and in my opinion, makes the article harder to read. My eyes and brain will thank you. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

As this is a commons and meta-related issue, @Jwale2, I think your question would be more relevant at c:Graphic Lab. Do you mean a gif where you already have all frames or a gif where you only have key frames and want to interpolate? there's a significant difference in how that would be done. casualdejekyll 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Casualdejekyll for your response, I would want to animate the images on the meta-page header[14] in a gif form, do I make a request at c:Graphic Lab. Jwale2 (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

It's worth noting that those are vector graphics, where as GIFs, as far as I know, are raster graphics. Am I wrong in saying that? Regardless, yes, I believe c:Graphic Lab is the place to go here, @Jwale2 casualdejekyll 20:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2, please don't. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Review Draft

Hi, Could you please assist and review the draft for Draft:Om Kumar Harsh, modified on 9th April 2022. Akicracky82 (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Akicracky82! Click the blue Resubmit button at the bottom of the latest decline notice to request another review. Note that drafts are reviewed in no specific order and this could take some time. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 12:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Akicracky82, there are lots of parentheses in that draft, and they are extremely unbalanced. For example, there are a couple of sets of )) and also some single ) with no corresponding (. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

What is sexual orientation?

alone in the hospital and confidential 1years and 35 41.114.5.149 (talk) 07:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may wish to view the article on sexual orientation. 331dot (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Bias?

Hi! I've used wikipedia for years and have found it to be a good source of independent information. Recently, I have been seeing more and more bias creep in to the articles. Has anyone else noticed this? Are there any solutions anyone has to this? I would hate to see Wikipedia lose its reputation as a bias free cite. Thanks. Ranmiz68 (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ranmiz68: Welcome to the Teahouse! In most cases when you see something that violates our neutrality policy, you can do one of two things:

Be bold and go ahead and fix it yourself!
Tag the article or section in question with the {{POV}} template. However, keep in mind there are 7,620 pages waiting to have that same issue fixed, so it may be faster to just fix the issue yourself.

Happy reading! Bsoyka (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

It is a known problem. You may be interested to read Wikipedia:Systemic bias. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Hello! I am @Helloheart. Is there any disambiguation pages that need creating? Thanks! Helloheart (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Heart (pun intended) and welcome to the teahouse! not exactly creating a disambiguation, however there are some disambigs that could need a bit of repair over at Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup. WikiProject Disambiguation may also be helpful. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Helloheart, to add to the great suggestion above, i would say that the creation of disambiguation pages normally occurs as a bi-product of creating new articles. I would not recommend trying to find situations that need disambiguation pages, in time you will be presented with opportunity to create such pages. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It's also one of those things that happens when you are reading Wikipedia, and search for something, and find a different thing altogether! Then suddenly you realise that there are several articles with similar names, and a likelihood of confusion. But remember, if there are only two such articles, it doesn't need a disambiguation page. It is enough to add hat-notes to the two articles so that the reader can quickly find the other, if they've got the wrong one. Elemimele (talk) 11:33, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Article awaiting review: Draft:Ramonu Sanusi

Hello everyone, Can anybody help review this article and publish it? It has been a long time since I submitted it. Many thanks in advance for the great work you guys are doing. ere is the link: Hhttp://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ramonu_Sanusi Best, Winner2022 (talk) 10:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Winner2022, you made the same request at the help desk and I responded to it there. -- Hoary (talk) 11:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I have also replied. Winner2022 (talk) 11:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Kgf chapter 2 realse date

Kgf article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joel binu (talk • contribs) 13:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Joel binu: Hello, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Bsoyka (talk) 13:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hun speech

Currently the "Hun speech" is only a redirect page. As the speech was a major event in German history at the turn of the 20th century, I translated the German version of the article (using the translate tool) and expanded it significantly. Now I want to move my draft to the article space under the lemma "Hun speech", but I am not able to do it, because the redirect page already exists. I could (of course) transfer the article text, but this would break the article history of my draft and delete the necessary attribution to the translation from the German entry (Hunnenrede). What ist the best way forward in this situation? Help is much appreciated! WatkynBassett (talk) 13:39, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@WatkynBassett: I'd request a technical move at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves if no one capable here comes across it soon. I've also nominated WatkynBassett/Hun speech for speedy deletion; I assume you didn't mean to try to move it there. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 13:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your fast advise @User:Bsoyka! Then I will wait an hour and after this go to Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. Kind regards! WatkynBassett (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing documentation of template

I came across an article (Drive My Car (film)) which had the Template:Expand Japanese template. One of the lines it said was "* Consider adding a topic to this template: there are already 2,945 articles in the main category, and specifying|topic= will aid in categorization." So I clicked on the link to the documentation which says to use the topic code, and lists the topic code for 'culture' as 'cult'. But when I added topic=cult, the message (to add a topic) still appeared and the article didn't appear in Category:Culture_articles_needing_translation_from_Japanese_Wikipedia. On [|that page] though, it says "To add an article to this category, tag it with { {Expand Japanese|Japanesearticletitle|topic=culture}}.". So I went back and changed cult to culture and now it works. I wanted to update the docs for Template:Expand Japanese to change the topic code for culture from cult to culture, but when I clicked edit on that page it looks like it is just pulling the documentation from somewhere else, so I can't figure out how to edit it.

Any advice appreciated!

Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 13:00, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ascendingrisingharmonising: Welcome to the Teahouse. That's because it's in Template:Expand Japanese/doc, which you can easily edit by clicking "Edit" next to the "Template documentation" heading on the template page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft

I made a few errors, thus the draft was relocated to the Wikipedia entry. I'd like it to go back to draft status. Carmadima (talk) 15:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Carmadima: I've moved it to Draft:Bimodal bilingualism. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to move this draft under User Talk to Plloren/Bimodal bilingualism, but it won't let me. Carmadima (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Carmadima: The draft should be located at one of the following names, please just pick one and stick with it as this does seem to be causing a bit of a mess with all these page names.

Draft:Bimodal bilingualism
User:Plloren/Bimodal bilingualism
User:Carmadima/Bimodal bilingualism

Let me know which one you'd prefer and I can help you move it there! Bsoyka (talk) 16:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I would like to prefer User:Plloren/Bimodal bilingualism. Carmadima (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Done

Courtesy link: User:Plloren/Bimodal bilingualism Bsoyka (talk) 16:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Starting Article for Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile

I need help starting the Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile article with reliable sources. The link is below. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Tom_Clancy%27s_Rainbow_Six_Mobile Thanks, Jay852 (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jay852, welcome to the teahouse, please show that the article meets our notability guidelines first. In general, you have to have at least 2 independent reliable sources that give significant coverage to the subject in order for it to be reliable, see WP:GNG for more information. Justi yaya 16:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Refs need to be embeded in the text. Finding refs may be difficult as game not released yet. David notMD (talk) 16:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile. David notMD (talk) 16:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I put the official Rainbow Six Mobile website as on of the references. Jay852 (talk) 16:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Wrong place, and that website is not independent from the subject of the article, so it does not contribute to establishing notability. I moved it to External links. David notMD (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I appreciate that. Jay852 (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Is IGN a good source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay852 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852 If it gives significant coverage yes, see WP:IGN. Feel free to post links of sources here for us to review :D Justi yaya 16:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

https://www.ign.com/articles/rainbow-six-mobile-announced Jay852 (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me, two more sources similar to the IGN one (but from other publishers) would make a really good case for notability. Justi yaya 17:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

https://charlieintel.com/rainbox-six-mobile/169947/ Jay852 (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

https://9to5google.com/2022/04/05/ubisoft-is-bringing-rainbow-six-mobile-to-android-and-ios-registration-open-now/ Jay852 (talk) 17:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure about these sources, would like to have another host look over them. Regardless, it's probably worth working on a draft now since it will most likely become notable once the game actually launches. Make sure to go over WP:1st and skim through the welcome message posted on your talk page. Writing a new article can be one of the most challenging things to do as a beginner, so feel free to work on another task if you don't think you are ready. Remember that there is no deadline and happy editing! Justi yaya 17:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Jay852 Justi yaya 17:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Why on earth do we have these lists?

I just came across this: List_of_United_Kingdom_locations:_Bou-Boz. What on earth is the point? Any of these locations can be found very simply by typing its name in the Search box, and its grid reference and coordinates will be it its info-box. There is no other value in the list whatsoever. I really can't conceive of any reason why someone would be browsing an alphabetical list of UK place-names. Why do we have what amounts to an old-fashioned index when we have a modern search facility? (I only came across it because someone was gnoming and changed it from having no short description, to having a short description of "none", a change that seems about as useful as the list). Elemimele (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Elemimele List of United Kingdom locations has an average of 109 views per day so it appears that some find the list to be of interest. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Side note: short descriptions set to none are intentional and accepted, marking that the page doesn't need a short description due to a sufficiently descriptive title. See WP:SDNONE. Bsoyka (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Elemimele, I too can't imagine any reason for having the list. However, I am very unimaginative. The people behind it seem to be TheoClarke (who has more or less disappeared) and Pigsonthewing (who hasn't); perhaps one of them would care to comment. Or perhaps it's "We too don't know why we're constructing this, but perhaps people will find their own uses for it." (If so, Karenthewriter's figure of 109 views per day suggests that they have.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

My only involvement, IIRC, was in splitting overlong lists into smaller pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

P.S. and making them machine-readable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

P.P.S. The whole set would be better done with a Wikidata query. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Views per day may merely indicate that people (or spiders or other entities) are doing web searches for some of the many places listed. Maproom (talk) 22:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellent point there, Maproom, and one suggesting that I need another coffee. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I find this kind of list really useful if a placename is on the tip of my tongue (i.e. I think it begins with Boo or Bou) or I don't know how to spell it. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:19, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

well that's a valid reason, Shantavira, and I suppose electronic space is cheap! It occurred to me, after my rant, that it's also sort-of a pages-for-creation list, in that there are red links for quite a few of these villages, and on the whole, places where people live are usually considered notable enough for an article - not that I want to encourage massive production of huge numbers of uninformative stubs. Thanks for the thoughts, I've learned a little more about how WP works. I think I also need a coffee... Elemimele (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It would also be useful for a fiction writer wanting to create a plausible name for a fictional place in the UK by combining typical name elements. One could both derive name elements from the list, and check that the resulting name does not already exist in actuality. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.249 (talk) 17:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

What to do with bad references

National Abolition Hall of Fame and Museum -none of the links in notes 1 or 3 lead at present to useful information, but I don't know what template to label them with, or what to do. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: When you say none of the links [...] lead at present to useful information, do you mean that the source doesn't verify the information being cited? If so, {{failed verification}} can be used to alert readers. {{Better source needed}} could also be used, but it's best to discuss these problematic references on the article's talk page in any case. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I mean that they're dead in the sense that they do not link to the pages that they presumably linked to when the links were created. If I mark them as dead I think they'll be "restored" as is. deisenbe (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

You might want to do some digging in an archive site to see if a screenshot of the page that has the information has been saved. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:50, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Dianna Frank

trying to log in but the info i signed in as wont let me 170.103.14.159 (talk) 19:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

You'll have to be a bit more specific here. What article are you referring to? CUPIDICAE💕 19:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

If you forgot your username or password this may help: Help:Reset password. (Whoops, forgot to sign comment earlier.) Karenthewriter (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a registered user called "Dianna Frank" on any Wikimedia Project. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Article Sites

Does anyone know trusted article sites for video games, 9 to 5 Google and Charlie Intel is no good? Link to the article i started: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Tom_Clancy%27s_Rainbow_Six_Mobile#References Jay852 (talk) 20:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852:. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources. There is some advice there on how to find sources, and there is a table of some sources that have been found reliable in the past. If its a new game, then WP:TOOSOON may apply. RudolfRed (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

What about a upcoming game? Jay852 (talk) 21:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852: Same guidance applies. You need to show the subject is notable. If you can't find sources that show that, then just wait until you can. RudolfRed (talk) 21:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I have one. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ubisoft-has-announced-the-free-to-play-rainbow-six-mobile/ Jay852 (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Why isn't my article reflected in Google yet

Hi I have created wiki page and I even edited it according to the norms may I know what's stopping the article to get published

And plz guide me in getting it published

Thankyou Salvadi Dilipkumar (talk) 20:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It needs to be approved first, which usually takes 4 months or longer. Jay852 (talk) 20:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Salvadi Dilipkumar: Your userpage has been deleted twice on grounds of webhost misuse. Wikipedia is not a place to promote yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

First, WRONG PLACE. User pages are not for articles about people. See WP:YFA for a path to creating a draft that would then be reviewed by an experienced reviewer. Second, editors are strongly advised against trying to create an article about themselves. I am guessing you are Dilip Kumar Salvadi. See WP:AUTO. Unless thre are published articles about you in reliable media outlets, there is no potential for an article. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Issues with source editor

Has there been a recent change to the source editor? It seems like the ends of markup language {{> and }}> are being highlighted in the source editor. While this seems like it would be useful, I think it makes it harder to figure out where the cursor is actually placed. At the same time, when I first open the source editor and click on a specific row, the cursor ends up multiple rows above where I intended to click. At first I thought I was clicking on the wrong place, but this is happening consistently. For reference, I am working in Firefox on a Windows 10 computer. DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean—Hello! So, it appears as though you are using CodeMirror; please read its documentation page for how to disable it.

Also, if you want to solve all of your issues, I would recommend turning on the 2017 wikitext editor, which covers the whole screen and

offers much more fluid switching between the VisualEditor and the source editor. You can turn it on by ticking the "new wikitext mode" box at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 00:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, got it. I am not sure how I managed to turn on CodeMirror, but so it goes. Thanks for the help. DaffodilOcean (talk) 01:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Most accurate way to see my edit count?

I’ve noticed that there is a discrepancy between the number of edits listed on XTools and the number listed on my account preferences, with XTools showing more edits. Why are they different? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 03:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

It could be that one total includes your deleted edits and one total only includes edits that still exist in pages on the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

That’s what I figured. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley. Some of these tools report every single edit you have ever made. Other tools do not report deleted edits, so those counts may be lower. If you edit a page that is later deleted. those edits will not show up. If you tag a lot of unacceptable pages for deletion and the page is later deleted, those edits will not show up. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Liz, Thriley, and Cullen328! I've crunched a bit of numbers and that doesn't seem to be the case (or at least, the full story): preferences and the global edit count agree that I have 7,659 edits so far, while the total of my live edits and deleted edits is 7,585 + 76 = 7,661 which is two more than that. for Thriley, the global edit count (which should probably match up with preferences) says 23,862 while xtools's own count is 23,279 + 817 = 24,096 which is 234 edits ahead, so it's not only deleted edits dragging up the edit count in xtools (although it is a major factor). happy number-crunching! 💜 melecie talk - 03:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Melecie Strange. I wonder what those 234 mystery edits are. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 03:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thriley, if we are talking about a discrepancy of a small number of edits between different tools, then that may also be due to the fact that some tools search the entire database more promptly than others. I am not an expert on this and I do not personally check my edit counts all that often. But occasionally I have noticed that some tools lag by hours or even days. After all, there have been over a billion edits to English Wikipedia, so these analyses take considerable computer power. Cullen328 (talk) 03:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Record Label submission was denied

Record Label submission was denied, they saying reliable sources and I already provide all the reliable links. They can contact Ingrooves or 5050 Music Group to asked about the record label also. This is a record label based in Kingston Jamaica, you can even type the name 'xmperial global" on youtube and vevo and you will see all the releases of this label from Ingrooves that is under exclusive license. Cunningbirdxm (talk) 04:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Xmperial Global

Note: YouTube and Vevo are absolutely not reliable sources, nor do they establish notability. Bsoyka (talk) 04:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok but I also post articles of some of the releases and artists of the label Cunningbirdxm (talk) 04:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Also Ingrooves is owned by Universal Music Group and in order to geta deal to distribute with them you have to be a big or well established label. So this wiki article shouldn't be denied. Cunningbirdxm (talk) 04:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with whether a subject is notable. Note the following from WP:GNG: A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Bsoyka (talk) 04:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok I understand now. Thanks Cunningbirdxm (talk) 04:29, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cunningbirdxm, I'd recommend this help page to learn more about reliable sources. No one doubts that the record label exists, but in order to merit a Wikipedia article, you need to demonstrate its notability using reliable sources. Best of luck! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok thank you. Cunningbirdxm (talk) 04:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Cunningbirdxm, please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which we take very seriously. Any further edits to the draft should help show that this record label meets that guideline. Cullen328 (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Verifying user rights

What template do people generally use to confirm their user rights? Fijipedia (talk) 02:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Fijipedia and welcome to the teahouse! you can see your user rights over at Special:UserRights. right now, you are autoconfirmed. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 02:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, however I'm asking what template people use to display the verify button on their user pages. I probably wasn't clear enough. Fijipedia (talk) 02:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fijipedia: the template is {{User rights}}, an infobox shell that provides a uniform template for the user rights userboxes which includes the (verify) button. as to how the verify button works, it seems to be a link encoded through {{Fullurl}} to Special:ListUsers that defines the user and group names. it isn't a separate template and honestly it'll take me a long time to understand the underlying code, so in the meantime to make yours you could just directly link to the page:

<small>([http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=Fijipedia&group=extendedconfirmed&limit=1 verify])</small>

which displays as (verify). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:11, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Fijipedia. If you mean the service award, just copy {{Registered Editor}} to your user page. For more information see Wikipedia:Service awards. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Look Both Ways: Revision history

I'm having trouble with an IP regarding an External link to a website that discusses this film, amongst others, which the IP has repeatedly deleted. I'm happy to own past transgressions but I don't know what [they] is talking about. Doug butler (talk) 03:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Look Both Ways is the film link. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:48, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Doug butler and welcome to the teahouse! while I am unable to speak on whether the external link is valid (although I'll direct you to the policy on external links and specifically what can be linked), I advise you and the IP to stop reverting and discuss first (even if they revert back). multiple reversions in a row is considered edit warring and is disruptive regardless of whether one is right or wrong. I've dropped a warning on the ip's talk page to direct them to the relevant talk pages, and hopefully a discussion can be had and the best way forward done. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Doug butler, that website Ozmovies looks like a blog to me, and the vast majority of blogs are not reliable sources for use on Wikipedia. Please see WP:BLOGS for the relevant policy language. Cullen328 (talk) 04:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's a blog, one of hundreds posted around the same time by an IP user from Melbourne on 16 December 2021‎. It was posted at External links, which is perfectly OK AFAIK. I checked it out and did not delete it, as it was good info and well presented. No, I did not use it or link to it. Anything I contributed I gained from my own copy on DVD, and consisted of edits to the plot outline and added a few cats.

Their original gripe involved Dark City, presumably Dark City (1998 film) of which I know nothing.

But my question was this: someone has a bee in their bonnet and I don't understand what they're getting at; they won't discuss it on my talk page, and I'm hoping someone more internet-savvy can clear the air. Doug butler (talk) 05:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

they seem to have stopped so I don't think there should be any more problem unless they start reverting again tomorrow. they may not have seen the message I sent yet (their last edit was at 2:55 and I sent the message at 3:48), and since they're using desktop view (mobile view and phone apps don't alert new messages to ips and is painful), they'll probably see the message again when they read/edit wikipedia the next time, so hopefully they'll be able to communicate with you. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 09:34, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft deletion

Is there any rule preventing someone from putting deletion templates on other people’s drafts? There’s a draft I’ve noticed that is nothing but complete misinformation and lies, but has been taken at face value. They’re trying to pass it off as real and I feel if they continue to work on it they will try to legitimize it. I don’t think it’s even appropriate to move it to their userspace CreecregofLife (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Drafts states that drafts can be nominated for Speedy deletion if certain criteria are met. See the General subsection at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 01:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hi CreecregofLife and welcome to the teahouse! are you referring to Draft:Regular Show (2022 series)? since it is a draft, it cannot be nominated for deletion yet until further investigation, although if someone decides to move it to articlespace (which won't happen for as long as there are no sources present, which also requires it to be legitimate), it could be tagged by {{hoax}}. as said by User:David notMD above, blatant and obvious hoaxes can be nominated for G4 speedy deletion, although it's best to investigate first. for more please check out Dealing with hoaxes. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

On another page the drafter calls it an unannounced project. If it’s unannounced, how would he know about it? Why would it be premiering in 4 months if it’s unannounced? The project would have to be announced to have a release date. He also has a definitive home for the show listed when in his justification he says "maybe acquiring the full rights to the series to put the original and revival series on Paramount+ and some international MTV, Comedy Central, Paramount Network and Nickelodeon feeds." The information doesn’t match up because there’s no information to match. It’s an obvious hoax CreecregofLife (talk) 01:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Update: I have added the speedy delete template for hoaxes and notified the user as directed. It looked like the advised move to make CreecregofLife (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

CreecregofLife An Admin agreed with you, as within the hour, it was deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Main page OTD linkage

on April 11 (today) an article and image appeared re the arson of Neville Ground https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nevill_Ground and it mentions a 'country wide campaign' - this phrase should also be wikilinked to https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

The guidance on Main Page talk does not explain how to fix this. Kaybeesquared (talk) 06:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I have mentioned this at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 09:48, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Done link added. Mjroots (talk) 12:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Profile comparison

Hi,

Could you please advise and suggest ideas to transform Draft:Om Kumar Harsh's wikipedia page to match the profile of Arun Sharma (computer scientist).

Any suggestions in language or format would be appreciated. Akicracky82 (talk) 12:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Akicracky82. I took a brief look a the draft, which has already been declined four times, so you need to proceed carefully as you will be wasting the time of experienced editors if you continue to submit more draft attempts without addressing the concerns already highlighted. One extra issue is that your draft doesn't follow the important principles at WP:BLP. Specifically, it includes in the final section personal details about Harsh which are unsourced to a citation. This is completely unacceptable for biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Akicracky82. First, please understand that what you are working on is neither "X's Wikipedia page" or "X's profile": it is "Wikipedia's article about X". This is an important difference because it sets the tone for what will go in there. Both of your two expressions suggest that the article in some way belongs to the person, or says what they want to say: neither of these is the case. An article about Harsh will not belong to Harsh, will not be controlled by Harsh, will not necessarily say what Harsh would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with Harsh have published about him, not on what he or his associates have said or want to say.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Every single statement in the article should be backed up by a reliable published source, and most of them by sources wholly unaffiliated with the subject. (It is not technically required that every statement actually cite its source, but reviewers tend not to accept drafts where this is not the case, especially for articles about living people).

Asking "Please transform this draft to match that other article" is like saying "please show me how to improve this house that I built without surveying the land under it or building foundations, to match that other house" - it might be possible, but it is more likely that you have to demolish the house, build some proper foundations, and build the house again. (Disclosure: I have not read your draft or looked at the references, so it's possible its foundations are good; but judging from the multiple declines, I doubt it). ColinFine (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hey

Courtesy link: Draft:Regular Show (2022 series)

mind if you make my page official (Regular Show '22 draft page) Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 17:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

idk you need to find a page reviewer. Dawn Lim (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mardecayrigboi12436. Your draft has been commented on by two experienced editors. They have concluded that it has insufficient content, and in particular lack of sources, to be included in the encyclopaedia at present. The main problem, I think, is that it is WP:TOOSOON to be writing about a show which won't even begin airing until August and hence has no independent commentary to convince Wikipedia editors it is noteworthy enough for article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Mardecayrigboi12436, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for coming here with your concerns. As @Dawn Lim has pointed out, an AfC reviewer will have to move your draft to main space. However, you may want to consider some things first. Your draft has no sources for us to verify the information by. Sources help us determine whether a subject is notable (See WP:RS and WP:V). Also, as alluded by @Michael D. Turnbull (They already provided a helpful link), I noticed that the subject show has not made its debut yet and may be in early to mid stages of development. Perhaps when it gets closer to the airing of it's first episode there will be additional sources that may give it significant coverage, especially as it seems to be a reboot of a very popular show. Writing an article from scratch is the most difficult task an editor can do on the encyclopedia. I encourage you to read WP:YFA and seek help or guidance here or by asking an experienced editor. You may also want to try out the Wikipedia Adventure. I hope our advice helps and good luck! --ARose Wolf 19:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

note: the revival is a more adult-oriented approach and was originally pitched to Adult Swim but was later rejected and was later on picked by Paramount+ since they thought that this revival might be fitting for their service and maybe acquiring the full rights to the series to put the original and revival series on Paramount+ and some international MTV, Comedy Central, Paramount Network and Nickelodeon feeds. Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 21:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Please, stop with the lies. Nothing you’re saying is true. CreecregofLife (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read notability to start to understand the basic requirements for a Wikipedia article. When you have spent a few months making small improvements to existing articles and thereby learning how Wikipedea works, you may be ready for the very difficult task of creating a new article from scratch: please read Help:your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Note: The draft has been deleted on 10 April 2022 in accordance with criterion G3 – a blatant hoax. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait, isn't there an LTA that does this sort of thing? casualdejekyll 12:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Not so blatant, given that ARoseWolf, ColinFine and I all took the user's enquiry seriously. I'm beginning to think that I WP:AGF too much at the Teahouse! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Michael D. Turnbull! trust me, y'all are not the only one. I've probably extended way too much care and love both on and off the teahouse at some point! but that's not a bad thing, sometimes it can be helpful to other editors: from our dear Nick Moyes, a polite Teahouse response to one person - even a troll - is seen by numerous other new users, who may well learn from that response, and from the politeness we try to offer the other user. 💜 melecie talk - 14:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, personally, I will continue to assume good faith on every enquiry until proven otherwise. That's just me. It is extremely unfortunate that this editor took that assumption for granted and misused it, but that is on them, not you, not me, not us. I do go out of my way to be kind and caring (I've been lightly chastised for it recently but even more so in the past and not even on Wikipedia) but it's who I am. I'm not going into details because this is not a forum but the care and love part is genuine. To separate myself from it would be to ask me to stop breathing. --ARose Wolf 14:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. I like Maria Konnikova's position: according to Rutger Bregman in Humankind, Far better, she says, is to accept and account for the fact that you'll occasionally be cheated. That's a small price to pay for the luxury of a lifetime of trusting other people. ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

A few questions

I'm a new editor, and am hoping to improve The Dayton Regional STEM School. This is an a conflict of interest, so A. should I even edit at all, and B. how should I help if not?

IHaveAVest (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IHaveAVest and welcome to the Teahouse. As a general rule, if you have a conflict of interest then you shouldn't edit an article directly. If you are a paid employee or are unpaid, something like an internship, then you should read WP:UPE. To know if you have, what Wikipedia considers, a COI, please look at WP:COI. If you have a COI or are a paid/unpaid editor in regards to this subject then you must disclose that on either the article talk page, on your user/talk page or both. You may always use the article talk page to present edits you feel need to be made to the article. Sourcing requirements are the same regardless. I hope this helps and good luck!--ARose Wolf 15:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I have read the conflict of interest page, I was just hoping for some help and suggestions. IHaveAVest (talk) 15:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

haha always hit f5 before replying oops I didn't see your response, thank youIHaveAVest (talk) 16:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

IHaveAVest, you are most welcome. Thank you for bringing your concerns to the Teahouse. If you need anything further please don't hesitate to ask. --ARose Wolf 16:08, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Lincoln–Douglas debates

Would someone please fix footnote 11 in Lincoln–Douglas debates? I added the requested citation. The citation should include "p. 119." Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Maurice Magnus. If you click on the "help page" link in Lincoln-Douglas debates#cite_note-Follett-11, you should be able to find out what the problem is and how to fix it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus, I have fixed it in this edit. Happy editing! Kpddg ^(talk) 11:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: You should check your edit again because your "fix" created a different citation syntax problem in Lincoln-Douglas debates#The debates. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

That too fixed here. Kpddg ^(talk) 11:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

There's still a problem. The footnote (now #12) has "a," "b," and "c." Page 119 should be attached only to "c."Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I wanted to make sure that you saw this. That's your reward for being so helpful before. :) Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

There's still a problem. The footnote (now #12) has "a," "b," and "c." Page 119 should be attached only to "c."Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

You probably want template {{rp}}. —Wasell^(T) 🌻 13:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but that is beyond my capabilities (or to be more honest, my willingness to learn). Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I've tried to add it. Please check to see if I placed it on the correct ref. —Wasell^(T) 🌻 15:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you did. Thanks very much. Maurice Magnus (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)