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Pakistan

Laiba Khan

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I draftified this BLP, but the creator Gopikakaa (talk · contribs) reverted my draftification and bypassed the AFC review. I asked on their talk page if this was a WP:UPE, but they haven’t responded. But their editing suggests it may be UPE, as they’re trying to create a BLP for a ROTM actress who clearly fails GNG and has only had minor roles in a few TV dramas, which means she doesn’t meet NACTOR either. The BLP relies on unreliable sources and this is Gopikakaa's only article. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ARY Zindagi

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Outside of a few announcements of its launch, the only other sources I am finding are from ARY itself. Nothing that could be significant coverage, only verification that it exists. A good WP:ATD would be a redirect to ARY Digital Network. CNMall41 (talk) 07:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom It's a rerun channel now, and the list-of should be added to this nom as it's one-sourced to [1] as PRIMARY. Nate • (chatter) 23:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes

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Delete or merge whatever else content on this page to Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes. Per below and WP:REDUNDANTFORK.

This is just an un-needed fork for a page we already have. Not only that, but this page has heavy content from other groups such as the BLA, or TTP, which are scopes completely irrelevant to this topic alone. This page is named "2024 Afghanistan-Pakistan Skirmishes", but also only covers the March 2024 border Skirmishes, when there has also been skirmishes last month in September, which is included in the Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes page. Noorullah (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Noorullah21, there has already been a concenus on this article that it should remain Waleed (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M Waleed Firstly, there was sockpuppets involved in the original AFD, go back to it to see blocked accounts. Secondly, I never brought up WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Noorullah (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete according to WP:REDUNDANTFORK. As mentioned, the incidents listed here are already mentioned in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border skirmishes page. There haven't been any incidents this year that are themselves more notable than incidents any other year to warrant this being its own article independent of the main article on this topic. And, yeah, looking at the previous AfD discussion, there seems to have been at least a little bit of sockpuppetry going on? One of the main arguments that was made in favour of keeping the article was that it contains proper sources, which is true, but those sources would be no less proper in the main article. There's no reason for this article to exist, and there's no reason to merge because, as already pointed out, the information here is already in the main article. Archimedes157 (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arabian Sea Country Club

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Non-notable place. No reliable sources. Just a golf course. Wikibear47 (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No RS found on news search.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No evidence of good sources; appears to be one of thousands of ordinary country clubs. Bearian (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: cannot find any evidence (both webpages and news) to suggest that it is WP:NOTABLE or deserving of an encyclopaedia article. Only results were info pages about it, Tripadvisor etc. - seems to be just an ordinary country club - see WP:MILL. Molecular Pilot 09:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't look to meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asteria de Sa

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Fails GNG. No Sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete - Hoax. Searching the name gives me zero GHits. The first source in the article does not appear to exist and the second does not mention the subject at all. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: It doesn't seem like a hoax to me, but it doesn't meet the GNG or even NATHLETE. . — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hesitate to use the H word but I can't find anything about this. There are two references provided:

1. Fifty years ago in Wellesley Townsman Cathy Brauner. 2011 Retrieved 01 January 2015

2. Asteria de Sa, "Memories of my golden years of athletics," St. Joseph's Convent School Alumni Karachi 1997

The first reference seems to be about this article which is about the town of Wellesley, Massachusetts, seemingly completely unrelated? The second reference is just an unlinked book or essay title, and searching for that title on Google or newspapers.com yields no results. The article creator User:Rzafar has not edited since 2018. The lede says "She was the first national champion in long jump" and the body mentions Karachi, so maybe one place to look would be a results archive for the Pakistani Athletics Championships in 1948 when it was founded? --Habst (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet the GNG.--Gul Butt (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: None of the sources in the Wikipedia article mention the name Asteria de Sa, which means it definitely is a hoax. ミラへぜ (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V. Even if it’s true, we can’t verify her existence. Bearian (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Palh

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There is insufficient in-depth coverage of this individual to meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG. This individual has never won a provincial or national election. The page's author holds the view that election candidates are inherently notable, regardless of whether they win. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All the sources are secondary as per WP:GNG, the article is start class and is barely in-depth after the changes, are you still arguing for it to be deleted despite it no longer including primary sources and only containing news reports as sources? Also he isn’t just a candidate, he is the General Secretary of Pakistan’s largest political party and the CEO of a human rights organization. Titan2456 (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is the provincial general secretary of his political party, nominated by his colleague Asad Umar. It raises the question: how many provincial general secretaries of any Pakistani political party, who have never been elected to public office, currently have Wikipedia articles? Although, this point may not hold much significance. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Article does not have significant coverage to meet WP:GNG even though they are elected as local official

Per this clause under Notability for politician and judges "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." Tesleemah (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: While I have concerns that the nominator is a POV pusher and has a biased agenda, is doing their best to attack anything related to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf. However, I have to agree with their nomination in this case, as this BLP doesn't meet NPOLITICIAN and clearly doesn't come close to passing the GNG, either. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah He has never been elected to a local office either, so you might want to reconsider and change your vote to “Delete”. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, he is the General Secretary of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI)'s Sindh chapter. I'm still keeping my vote as soft/weak delete Tesleemah (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tesleemah Being the general secretary of a political party is not considered a local elected office. When WP:NPOL refers to local elected office, it means positions like mayor or city council member. Furthermore, even as general secretary, he was appointed by another party official, not elected. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete:Fail GNG--Gul Butt (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per nom. Wikibear47 (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The subject fails N:POL Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Duki coal mine attack

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Fails WP:NEVENT. Should be merged into Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 like other similar incidents. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024: Into existing article. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC) Striking sock !vote. Daniel (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I would say do not RUSHDELETE. Since this happened just a few days ago and we still need to determine if it meets or fails the NEVENT, I would suggest Draftify it for now. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak merge. Not a lot here that can’t be contained in the list article easily. If it does prove notable through depth and length of coverage - which, there are some indications this might, it can always be re-split out. I oppose draftifying because there’s no problems solved there not solved by a merger. Pakistan specifically only very rarely has long term coverage of events that would receive retrospective coverage in many other countries. But this one seems quite severe so it could change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

merge to the Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 article since that suggestion was sockstriked PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change vote to redirect. Even if there's nothing to merge I find maintaining the link as a redirect makes it clearer to future readers that there was once a page there. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as already in Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024.--Gul Butt (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the terrorist attack is notable enough with significant no. of deaths and easily passes WP:GNG. Mister Banker (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as 21 deaths is a not insignificant number, and its too soon to declare WP:NOTNEWS or WP:NEVENT Jebiguess (talk) 06:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Gul Butt, a merge is unnecessary in this case. This is a WP:News article and lacks sustained, significant, secondary coverage. Notability is not inherited by casualty count. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024. I think WP:NOTNEWS comes into play here. Although the event was significant, it remains a news story, and it's hard to tell what impact it will have later on (WP:CRYSTALBALL). By merging it, users will be able to find the event if needed, but I don't think a standalone article is merited at this time. DesiMoore (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the attack passes WP:NCRIME in which foreign nationals were killed and received a WP:DIVERSE coverage. --Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akhtar Usman

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The BLP was created in the main namespace and later draftified by Maliner. The creator then submitted it for review, but later unilaterally moved the BLP back to the main namespace, to avoid AFC review process. So I feel compelled to take this to AFD so the community can decide whether it should remain or be deleted. IMO, it fails both GNG and NAUTHOR, as none of the works are notable enough. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agreed per nom. Clearly fails GNG and NAUTHOR Wikibear47 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Likely to be contested, so let's get a more firm outcome.
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Comment: Although I couldn't find sources providing significant coverage as per WP:SIGCOV, I did come across some sources that support the subject's notability, though not conclusively. These include 1, 2, 3, 4, and ~~mentioned~~ featured in BCC Urdu's poetic collection here. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- TheBirdsShedTears, Wikipedia:Existence does not prove notability. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep : Some links like Dawn and The News seems authentic.--Gul Butt (talk) 19:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Gul Butt, What do you mean by "authentic" ? The News coverage is an opinion piece while Dawn coverage isn't considered a SIGCOV. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woh Aik Pal

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While I found a lot of name-check coverage, I couldn't find any SIGCOV. Therefore, I'm taking this to AFD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: https://www.gqindia.com/binge-watch/collection/7-best-pakistani-dramas-mx-player-offer-unique-entertainment-experience/ and similar coverage (this one bylined) ; +coverage about production+ notable cast and crew+ mildly significant nomination= all in all, a certain notability; if other users judge this is not enough, redirect to the page about the writer, Samira Fazal, and merge (or with/to List of programs broadcast by Hum TV); opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record, I’m also open to the idea of redirect/merging it. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Significant coverage in reliable news sources [2] [3] Received nomination at Lux Style Awards which is country's notable and significant annual award show. [4] Sometimes spell as Woh Ek Pal. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, This isn’t SIGCOV; it’s just routine coverage. Also, being nominated for the Lux Style Awards isn’t enough to establish WP:N. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first source is clearly under WP:NEWSORGINDIA and not reliable for notability. GQ is a good verification it exists, but not significant (it is included in a list of shows).--CNMall41 (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As per nom. Should be deleted. Not encyclopedic material. Wikibear47 (talk) 06:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. A source review would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The sources on the page are unreliable. So are those listed above and in my search. Plenty of WP:NEWSORGINDIA and mentions in references about the actors, but nothing significant about the show itself. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still hoping for a source analysis.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 21:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source analysis (as requested) - The first four are on the page, the rest were presented in the discussion above. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happymaza, Not sure what this source is and cannot locate anything on the Waybackmachine.
The International News, references says nothing about the series.
News18, typical churnalism as we see often. Falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA and cannot be used to establish notability.
Dawn, as with The International News source, says nothing about the series. In fact, the reference is used to support an award nomination and the reference doesn't even support that.
GQ India, probably the only source that comes close to significant coverage. It is one of of seven series listed in a listicle and has one paragraph (five sentences) with a brief overview.
The Tribune, also falls under NEWSORGINDIA. But, even if it was bylined, the source only contains one mention of the series where the writer was nominated for an award.

Warraich (clan)

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Clan fails WP:GNG. Recent draftification and redirection have both been reverted. GTrang (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP Added 1 more book reference and a newspaper reference in addition to 2 book references that are already at the article. Meets WP:GNG now...Ngrewal1 (talk) 01:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - this barely passes notability with the new sourcing, but the determining factor might be that the Jats article about the larger group is becoming unwieldy. Bearian (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify: Entire article is barely two lines. Should be expanded or deleted. Don't see GNG either. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT Expanded the article by adding List of Notable Warraich people from the region. Added 1 more archived reference in addition to 4 book references already there. This article is much improved now since the nomination....Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of notable warraich people does not make the clan notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Jats: the target article is only 2500 words, a quarter of the size that would call for a split. Owen× ☎ 18:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Draftfy : In my opinion instead of Vanishing this accumulated article it would be better to detain for certainty and nevertheless can anyone's recommend to improve its assertion in constructive way, thats what i want to adhere for you guysLifechance (talk)
Sock strike. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Draftify: per Wikibear47 SirBrahms (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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