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Filmzene.net

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Highly promotional and not encyclopedic. Completely fails WP:GNG. Created by a single-purpose COI account account as promo. AusLondonder (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. An obvious case of WP:ADMASQ. Nothing salvageable. Fails WP:NOT and WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My WP:BEFORE reveals nothing that would enable editors to add policy-compliant content to the page. The current content should be removed, leaving nothing, ergo the page should be deleted.—Alalch E. 00:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The Filmzene.net is a 20 years old non-profit site about soundtracks and movie composers, and I am an editor of it. We have interviews with many famous movies composers (Philip Glass, John Powell, Lisa Gerrard etc.) and I thought the site deserved to have general information about them on EnWiki. But it really is incomplete, because I haven't finished editing it yet. Sorry for the mistake, I understand that you want to delete this. Flzn (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Flzn (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

@Flzn: Hi there and thanks for commenting here. Please be assured my deletion nomination is nothing against you or your website. The English language Wikipedia does have quite strict rules about notability, see our notability requirements for companies, corporations, organisations, groups, products, or services. We also require articles to be written from a neutral point of view and not designed as promotion. The article has now been edited quite a bit but the version I nominated for deletion was not the way we write articles, with huge unsourced lists of notable people and promotional language. We also have a policy about conflict of interest editing, which is generally discouraged. Primarily if the article is to be kept we'll need to see coverage of the website by reliable, independent sources such as news websites. The coverage does not have to be in English. If you're aware of the existence of those sources please do provide them. Thanks again for your understanding. AusLondonder (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chad Raney

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Fails WP:BIO. All I could find is a Four States Living Magazine article.[1] Clarityfiend (talk) 11:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – This subject does not have enough news coverage.Mysecretgarden (talk) 05:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noise in the Machine (EP)

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Fails WP:NALBUM. Redirect was reverted by creator.

All sources are music videos, primary sources, and databases. Nothing found in secondary sources to support notability for this EP. DonaldD23 talk to me 16:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can see only one review article - [2], otherwise nothing, suggesting that there is very little interest in the EP. Fails NALBUM. Hzh (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Massive Ego per nomination. Found no additional sources myself. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slap of Reality

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Non-notable band that fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG. I could not find any sources about this band and the only reference listed links to a forum post. cyberdog958^Talk 06:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BAND or WP:GNG. Found home web page, FB page, and other promotional postings, but nothing of substance. - Donald Albury 12:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siren Song (Dove)

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This fails WP:GNG as it entirely relies on 2 sources which is a primary source and I cannot find any RS sites talking about the opera Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 02:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Jonathan Dove#Works -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jonathan Seet

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I tagged this article about a musician with notability concerns in April. It is unreferenced. I have returned to it and carried out WP:BEFORE. The only secondary coverage I can find is a mention of his name in CMJ New Music Report 2003 here. I have not added this to the article as it is minimal. I don't think he meets WP:NMUSICIAN. There is no obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 19:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: there's a review of Thanks To Science, We've Got Love (page 6) by Nightshift (magazine), a review of Melatonin by Exclaim!, and a review of Arousal Disasters + an article by Now (newspaper). Jonathan Seet's website has a section for reviews of his music, although a lot of them are short and/or from non-reliable sources. It's also interesting that one of the reviews is by someone who goes by LMNOP, and that User:Mnlop is a single-purpose account for the Seet and Seet-related articles. toweli (talk) 19:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 19:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Zero WP:RS and lack of WP:SIGCOV PaulPachad (talk) 21:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. No notability or SIGCOV found. cyberdog958^Talk 06:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article is unreferenced, has been unreferenced since 2005 despite not being officially tagged as such until earlier this year, a WP:BEFORE search really didn't turn up enough to turn the tide (a couple of the sources found above by Toweli are okay but not in and of themselves enough, and I didn't find a whole lot else), and nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass WP:GNG on better sourcing than we've been able to find. Bearcat (talk) 20:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hindi songs recorded by Asha Bhosle

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Monstrously huge and growing unmaintainable fancruft list where most of the tracks do not pass WP:NMUSIC. This is a piece for Schott's Miscellany. Still fails WP:NLIST. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - This article has already survived two attempted AfDs easily, and neither of those had a single vote to delete. The nominator this time was also the nominator of the second AfD, and this latest nomination has no acknowledgement of any of the successful arguments made by "Keep" voters previously. The second AfD did have some discussion of how the article is tough to maintain due to the singer's enormously prolific career, and perhaps splitting into multiple articles (perhaps by decade) could be considered. Otherwise this nomination is merely an attempt to pretend that the idea didn't already fail twice. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Absolutely not possible to handle this list. Fails WP:NLIST. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 07:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blaxploitation (music genre)

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 2#Blaxploitation (music genre). C F A 💬 00:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: it is simply a notable specific genre,, as sources, some available online, show (a one-click GNews search gives at least 4 reliable sources covering the topic). If this should be redirected, better redirect it to the film genre. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Blaxploitation. There is no music genre of blaxploitation; there's only the film genre which relied heavily on funk music. Everything here should be represented as a sentence or two within the Funk page, and a large section within the Blaxploitation page, describing how the music chosen for blaxploitation films contributed to the ghetto chic aesthetic, and how that aesthetic in turn contributed to hip hop culture. Binksternet (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Blaxploitation as it doesn't seem to be notable separately. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 17:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Blaxploitation. There does appear to be some usage of it, but with little applicable depth. The soundtracks and scores of blaxploitation are of high important quality, the unique aspects of the music or its function as a genre seperate from funk or R&B and jazz other genres is not clearly stated in the article. If it can be, it can be fleshed out and we can see about it having a unique article that can stand on its own outside the films. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Art of Sound (exhibition)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: further expansion of the article and context was needed. AlphaLemur (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen-Craig Aristei

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey this is my first article and I want it to be the best possible. Is the question here about notability? Thanks. Rkg5514 (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @SafariScribe -- sorry for the repost, not trying to bludgeon but still learning the mechanics here...Thanks for responding so quickly. As this individual is a music publisher and manager, rather than any kind of creative professional, I am not sure that WP:NAUTHOR applies in this instance. Same for WP:MUSICIAN as this person is not a musician, but rather an associated individual on the business side of the industry... Rkg5514 (talk) 15:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: At present we can't determine much. The article suffers from WP:NOTINHERITED and lack of credible referencing. Draftification will allow the creating editor to work in peace and quiet 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good -- so this would me moving the article in Draftify and working on it there? Am I permitted to do this on my own? Thanks. Rkg5514 (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rkg5514 At this stage it is considered an out of process thing for it to be moved during a deletion discussion, but opinions vary on that. If you, as the creating editor, request draftification then there is an argument to close this discussion to meet your request, provided no-one has offered an opinion to delete it in the intervening period. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If much of his notability stems from his time with the Warner Raiders, then I'd expect to see an article there. General Manager of Warner sounds like a good start (although just what is the 'General Manager' in that context?), but that would need to be sourced, and should be easily sourceable.

Draftify. I just can't tell if they're notable or not from what's here. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have added source on GM... Rkg5514 (talk) 17:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please see the comment left on the discussion talk page by Brainchannels, and consider whether it shoudl be incorporated in the eventual closing decision. `I have encouraged them to leave it in th discussion itself 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Timtrent thanks for alerting me -- I'll wait to see if @Brainchannels weighs in here, but briefly, I respectfully disagree with his assessment on two fronts: 1. Warner Music during the 1970s certainly was connected to hits (and I've cited artists he signed to the label) and 2. I'm just not sure "No awards. No big name association. Public doesn't recognize his face" makes somebody unnotable, especially somebody whose work is on the business end of a forward-facing field. There are no awards ceremonies for music publishers and managers to get up and take a bow, but Music Publishing is its own category on Wikipedia... Rkg5514 (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rkg5514 The only issue is that technically I believe their comment makes it impossible to close early as Draftify. But no matter. Consensus will prevail. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it will! Rkg5514 (talk) 00:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This Time of Year (song)

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I have been unable to find significant coverage of the song in reliable sources, as required by WP:NSONG. The Promotion section is sourced to a self-published database of Runrig set lists and performance dates and other citations are to the charts. This article should be redirected to Runrig discography, where its chart performance is already documented. Posted with permission: Goodreg3 opposes for the reasons discussed on his talk page and this AfD discussion. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skye (song)

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I could not find significant coverage of this single in reliable sources. Fenix Funeral Directors is a website for a funeral home, and the source is titled "Top 10 Runrig Songs For a Funeral". This article can be redirected to Runrig discography, where its chart information is recorded. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Doing a BEFORE search is annoying here because the band's origin in the Isle of Skye is frequently mentioned, but this song doesn't appear to have been written about. Mach61 03:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Goodreg3 opposes for the reasons discussed on his talk page and this AfD discussion. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would like to point out the recently added subsection regarding coverage of high profile controversy around the charting position of "Skye", which would indicate a degree of notability. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two Music Week articles are primary sources, so they don't establish notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:19, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What more do you seriously want? I have provided information on what was clearly a significant event at the time. On one hand, you point out "self published sources" as not being enough, and on the other, you are equally unhappy with published magazines. What is it you are exactly looking for? Goodreg3 (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, significant coverage of a song is something like a review, an analysis of its themes or structure, or a discussion of its role in popular culture. I listed some sources that I would consider significant on the talk page for An Ubhal as Àirde (The Highest Apple), which I did find to be a notable single by Runrig. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Straight Up! to Canada Tour

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Abdul has announced the tour has been cancelled. [3]Pillowdelight (talk) 01:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to the appropriate section in the artists "History" section. An announced and subsequently cancelled tour will likely still be worth a mention there, making it a plausible search term. Sergecross73 msg me 03:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are tens of cancelled concert tours on this site. Just because it was cancelled does not mean it isn't notable, therefore I don't think redirecting or deleting is necessary here. The subject is significantly covered in multiple independent reliable sources. dxneo (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm open to doing whatever, I did create the page. Although, I only added two refs to the page initially when I created it — my plan was to expand it by adding in reviews and the setlist. It did receive some coverage but I wouldn’t say it was significant. I'll add more due to the tour being cancelled. Pillowdelight (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one has established notability to begin with though, so the bigger question would be, how does it pass WP:NTOUR? Does it? Sergecross73 msg me 01:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean it was announced by many Canadian presses. But majority of all of them stated the same information. Pillowdelight (talk) 21:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sergecross73 and Pillowdelight, doesn't that meet WP:NTOUR? It was covered in multiple independent reliable sources when it was announced and when it was cancelled. Sources include Billboard and Rolling Stone just to mention a few. Just that the editors/creator did not introduce such references to the article and I don't know why. dxneo (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the Sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability part of NTOURS that no one has proven yet. Sergecross73 msg me 22:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well the tour technically didn't happen. I would rather suggest just deleting the page altogether, the tour was merely just a tour throughout Canada, Abdul wasn't promoting any sort of album nor single on it. So it really isn't sufficient enough. Pillowdelight (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, that's why I'm sticking with my redirect stance. Sergecross73 msg me 00:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't even bother redirecting it either, I would say just delete it. Pillowdelight (talk) 01:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro is definitely disappointed that your was cancelled 😅 I just thought deletion wasn't worth it but okay. dxneo (talk) 01:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not refer to me as "Bro". I'm a fan of Miss Abdul but I’m not sure what that has anything to do with keeping the page up. You seem very adamant on keeping the page but have failed to expand the article in any shape or form. Pillowdelight (talk) 02:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Paula Abdul#Tours and residencies. Doesn't meet the notability guideline since it doesn't have sustained coverage, but it's still a potential search term. hinnk (talk) 03:24, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Paula Abdul#Tours and residencies per hinnk; if the tour is relaunched restoration is quite easy to do and the page history will allow rebuilding of the article in that case with the existing sources. Nate • (chatter) 20:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HG2 Filmworks (director)

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The bunch of sources just made it look like they are significant if they weren’t checked on. Also what made it up to 45 source was the musical videos published on mere blogs mentioning him as the director and nothing more like he has contributed on a notable project was being discussed on the blogs. Which already fails WP:GNG. Was in surprise how the article was created by a different person from draft & move by another different person who is already blocked of a sock. But that’s by the way as the main subject is to be focused on. Gabriel (……?) 16:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Promotional article only focuses on listing the entrepreneur's achievements this is not a resume it is an encyclopedia article. Alon9393 (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I was considering a keep here but I don’t think that the music videos produced as outlined here and the nomination could meet WP:CREATIVE#3. The sources present does not satisfy the general notability criterias as the BLP is sourced to blogs and music download websites which no significant coverage whatsoever. Reliables sources here are mostly interviews and run-on-the-mill articles. Best, Reading Beans 10:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Moon

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Dubious notability, virtually no hits from RS in Google, seems to only exist to promote the article's subject Fastily 08:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Insufficent secondary RS. I'll be open to changing my mind if they can be produced, however. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 22:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: This article has had a long history on the project and is an article that many editors have contributed to. I don't think it should be deleted without a fuller discussion. If that's the consensus, so be it but let's not delete this article as a Soft Deletion based on low participation. I think this is the first time I've relisted for this reason. I'd welcome a source review.
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Big Church Festival

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I boldy merged this article over a year ago, but just noticed that my redirect was reverted in October. This festival fails WP:NCONCERT/WP:NCORP (which I think applies because this is a non-profit festival, i.e., an organization that puts on an event once a year). I have been unable to find sustained, in-depth coverage of the festival. As there is still merged content in Christian music festival#Worldwide, I propose restoring the redirect. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There seems to be be enough coverage to warrant the page to be kept and improved on. cyberdog958^Talk 02:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should not count Event Industry News toward notability; per WP:TRADES, there's a presumption against using industry trade publications to establish notability. Christian Today and Cross Rhythms are both from 2015, hence why I noted this event lacks sustained coverage. Those are the only sources with SIGCOV I could find; the rest of the coverage I've been able to find are routine announcements that particular bands are performing at the event. In sum, two reviews from 2015 isn't enough to establish notability in my view. Cross Rhythms is also an interview with the founder, which means it lacks independence. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as per the Christianity Today piece and the Cross Rhythms piece which has a significant coverage prose introduction before the interview part, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:36, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Promotional. Irrelevant. with hardly any reliable or independent references--Alon9393 (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant is a personal opinion not a notability factor and promotionalism can be edited out, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Desert Song (Max Liebman Presents)

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Declined twice at WP:AFC moved by creator to main space, no evidence of notability, just listings and passing mentions. Theroadislong (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Television. Theroadislong (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: https://playbill.com/article/the-dvd-shelf-a-connecticut-yankee-desert-song-four-weddings-and-a-funeral-honeymoon-in-vegas-and-more-com-181767 ; one paragraph in Thomas McCavour's 2020 The Gayety & Other Stories ; various mentions in reliable books, so that a redirect to the programme or to the operetta is totally warranted in my opinion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:58, 29 August 2024 (UTC) + https://www.reformer.com/local-news/more-vintage-tv-musicals-from-the-50s/article_9fbb2418-386a-52ae-858c-8488a27fea3c.html (pretty slow to open but significant)[reply]

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Galactic Theme

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Fails WP:NALBUM. Sources are announcements of the album or unreliable. CNMall41 (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: While the sources are reliable, the pieces are unreliable. I can't rely on a news piece that lacks a byline. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only source without byline in the article is the New Music Weekly and that's how the website is. I've added more refs by the way. 102.88.68.119 (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Refs added. Like Vanderwaal said, the sources are reliable. Also, the album has received multiple reviews from reliable publications per WP:NALBUM. 102.88.68.119 (talk) 11:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The sources added make it pass WP:NALBUM Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 02:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This needs a closer look hence my assessment.

A 146 words articles from ThisDay does not constitute as in-depth coverage for me. Even though it has a byline, I have concerns that it is a paid job.

I have no opinion on whether London Daily News has on online presence after being defunct but the byline in this article clearly states that it was written by a “LDN Guest Post” aka contributor and is likely to have been written and submitted by the subject of the article.

This 193 words articles from Sheen Magazine credited the photo to Johnel. This is very, very likely to be a paid post.

This article on Teen Ink is clearly written by a contributor named Jon who’s profile there would remove any doubt of that being Johnel hence this fails WP:INDEPENDENT.

This articles reads like a press release to me and so fails INDEPENDENT. Further search shows that you can indeed submit a post to NMW for some few bucks (see here).

This compilation from Encomium reads just fine to me but cannot on itself establish notability as it is a marginally reliable source (according to WP:NGRS). Best, Reading Beans 16:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you're saying that the artist is a Journalist too? Maybe you should include that in the main article and back it up with a reliable source if you think so.

Understandably, it's your opinion, but to assume and conclude that some of the sources are written by a notable artist himself and also disregard the sources that are obviously independent even when there is no indication in any of the sources that any payment was made nor it's an advertisement is just sad. This was submitted as a draft and accepted once with just one attempt because it's obviously notable. But it looks like until a 10,000-word written article from The New York Times or BBC is provided, then you might reconsider. 105.112.209.5 (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can sign up here if you wish to contribute to Teen Ink. This shows how posts are ranked in Teen Ink. Liz, I am not implying that he is a journalist, I am saying that he is writing and submitting to these outlets! I don’t think that this needs rocket science to achieve. To the IP, a 10,000-word written article from The New York Times or BBC would make me to reconsider. Best, Reading Beans 09:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I'd like more consideration of the sources here since opinion is divided. I don't think a similarity in names is any evidence that an 18 year old musician has somehow become a journalist. Let's assess their value and not assume this is autobiographical writing.
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Delete: This artist is not notable, because it’s all Pr and paid up in which people can now adays submit their post to be published as guest post that’s what he being doing based on what I have observed check his Spotify [4] and YouTube [5] really considering that a notable artist will be having 90 streams a month and only 30 YouTube subscribers, I guess he hasn’t reached the Notability guidelines as a musical artist to be on Wikipedia.Madeforyou33 (talk) 11:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)— Madeforyou33 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Viva Van

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Article deleted by consensus last month; G4 Speedy contested. Additional sources added by contester still don't appear to meet GNG as they are either results/routine coverage or interviews with the subject. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Viva Van is currently active with AEW/ROH, the previous discussion was relisted however it was deleted before any additional discussion could take place, I've added an article from the Miami Herald, as well as several Fightful Select, Post Wrestling etc. links which we use on several pages concerning independent wrestlers. I think her role in the CMLL Women's championship match against Willow Nightingale is a good example of notability. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:59C0:5620:58ED:634F:B3D5:5673 (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Same reasoning as my !vote a month or so ago, just not enough to show notability. Match reports are about all that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 00:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Creator of the article here, my reasoning is similar to that of Thief-River-Faller. She makes recurring appearances in AEW/ROH (even if only as an "enhancement talent"), and has made appearances for both of Mexico's main promotions, AAA (appearing at their main event of the year, Triplemanía, in 2023) and CMLL (the aforementioned women's championship match involving Willow Nightingale), and as a result has been subject of articles from mainstream publications such as the Miami Herald. EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 11:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Just last month. a previous AFD closed as Delete so I think the discussion would benefit from a little more time.
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Keep: I've added more sources to the article where she is the primary topic. One source is Pro Wrestling Illustrated, which is a generally reliable source on WikiProject Pro Wrestling's list of sources, as well as an interview conducted by Denise Salcedo. Salcedo is an employee of Wrestling Observer Newsletter and Fightful, both of which are considered reliable sources by the aforementioned list. These new sources, in addition to sources already in the article, help her clear WP:SIGCOV criteria. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews of the subject cannot be used to meet WP:GNG due to not being independent of the subject. Both of the sources you added were interviews with the subject. I'm still not seeing anything in the article which indicates the subject has met GNG in the month since the last article was deleted (which, if this is kept, should be undeleted and attributed to, since I don't think there was much different). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As I pointed, my main concern is the sources. Wrestlers need reliable sources focusing on them. Most of the article is just WP:RESULTS, that means, reports about TV shows where she worked, but the report is not about her. We can use Cagematch and create articles for every wrestler on the planet, that's why we need to include sources about the wrestler. For example, AEW section has 5 sources, 4 of them, WP:RESULTS. ROH section has 1 source, which is WP:RESULTS (Her ROH career isn't notable). Impact Wrestling has one source, WP:RESULTS. Almost every match on the Independent Circuit it's WP:RESULTS (I don't get why her work with Hoodslam it's relevant at all). We can't just take matches from famous promotions to create an article. On the other side, it's fine to read articles from Denice or Miami Herald about her. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Denice interview has too little secondary context to base a BLP article off of it, especially so since in this instance it's published on The Sportster which is redlisted at WP:RS/PS#Valnet and specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS. The PWI interview is literally just the raw interview on YouTube. Even if we count Miami Herald, that's still one source. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. This article is a moving target as sources are being added and removed during the course of this discussion. Sources that merely mention an appearance in a match and pure interviews are not considered SIGCOV. A source assessment table might help settle the disagreement over the quality of the sources.
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Relisting comment: Final relist for more input (hopefully).
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Comment - Here is an SA table:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/mariah-may-vs-viva-van-added-87-aew-dynamite	Third-party industry press	WP:PW/RS; Personal opinions of Sean Ross Sapp aside, consensus is that Fightful is reliable	strictly WP:ROUTINE coverage of a booking.	✘ No
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/fighting/article277229318.html		Mainstream broadsheet paper/online; owned by McClatchy	I have to skim between hitting refresh here because they won't take my Canadian address to remove the paywall, but this does appear to contain SIGCOV in a bio	✔ Yes
https://wrestletalk.com/news/aew-dynamite-debut-announced-viva-van/		WP:PW/RS; WP:TERTIARY gossip website with no editorial structure posted on the website	WP:ROUTINE	✘ No
https://www.thesportster.com/viva-van-women-wrestler-interview-career/	This is based on an interview with the subject	The Sportster is redlisted due to ownership by Valnet (WP:RS/PS#Valnet) and is also specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS	~ Too little secondary context to base a BLP article on the English Wikipedia.	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVC9Phfx1s&ab_channel=ProWrestlingIllustrated	A direct upload of an interview with the subject	~ PWI is listed as reliable at WP:PW/RS, but this is a direct upload to YouTube of an apparently unedited video	Purely an interview on YouTube.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Miami Herald makes one GNG-compliant source out of what has been added since the article was recreated. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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