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- Category:Metropolis of Kiev to Category:Metropolis of Kyiv – C2D: Main article: Metropolis of Kyiv. NLeeuw (talk) 22:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Slavery in the United States by state to Category:Slavery in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parents are History of the United States by state or territory and History of racism in the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ski Course to Category:Ski courses – capitalization and plural. Pichpich (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pro tem Speakers of the Lok Sabha to Category:Pro tem speakers of the Lok Sabha – C2A, MOS:JOBTITLE – Fayenatic London 21:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Serbian saints of the Eastern Orthodox Church to Category:Saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church – C2D: main: List of saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church. NLeeuw (talk) 19:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players from Nyngan, New South Wales to Category:Rugby league players from Nyngan – C2B: per Nyngan/Category:Nyngan. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nanjing University of Technology alumni to Category:Nanjing Tech University alumni – C2B: per Nanjing Tech University/Category:Nanjing Tech University. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mount Marty College alumni to Category:Mount Marty University alumni – C2B: per Mount Marty University/Category:Mount Marty University. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Sri Lankan civil war – C2D: Per outcome of the relevant move discussion at Talk:Sri Lankan civil war#Requested move 15 October 2024 Hey man im josh (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1980s massacres of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:1980s massacres of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:1990s massacres of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:1990s massacres of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:2000s massacres of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:2000s massacres of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Aftermath of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Aftermath of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Attacks on hospitals during the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Attacks on hospitals during the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Battles of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Battles of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Buildings and structures of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Buildings and structures of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Documentary films about the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Documentary films about the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Factions in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Factions in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Films about the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Films about the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Foreign intervention in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Foreign intervention in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Indian Peace Keeping Force attacks in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Indian Peace Keeping Force attacks in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks in the Sri Lankan Civil War by decade to Category:Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks in the Sri Lankan civil war by decade
- Category:Massacres of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Massacres of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Massacres of the Sri Lankan Civil War by decade to Category:Massacres of the Sri Lankan civil war by decade
- Category:Military history of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Military history of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Origins of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Origins of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:People killed during the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:People killed during the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:People of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:People of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Phases of the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Phases of the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Sexual violence in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Sexual violence in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War books to Category:Sri Lankan civil war books
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War by location to Category:Sri Lankan civil war by location
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War casualties to Category:Sri Lankan civil war casualties
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War in popular culture to Category:Sri Lankan civil war in popular culture
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War in video games to Category:Sri Lankan civil war in video games
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War prisoner of war massacres to Category:Sri Lankan civil war prisoner of war massacres
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War protests to Category:Sri Lankan civil war protests
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War templates to Category:Sri Lankan civil war templates
- Category:Sri Lankan Civil War-related lists to Category:Sri Lankan civil war-related lists
- Category:Sri Lankan government forces attacks in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Sri Lankan government forces attacks in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Violations of medical neutrality during the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Violations of medical neutrality during the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:War crimes in the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:War crimes in the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Works about the Sri Lankan Civil War to Category:Works about the Sri Lankan civil war
- Category:Swimming venues in Georgia to Category:Swimming venues in Georgia (U.S. state) – C2B: see naming of Category:Sports venues in Georgia (U.S. state) and its subcats. Wikihistorian (talk) 10:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimming venues in Washington to Category:Swimming venues in Washington (state) – C2B: see naming of Category:Sports venues in Washington (state) and its subcats. Wikihistorian (talk) 08:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe to Category:European Conservatives and Reformists Party - C2D, see Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe redirecting to European Conservatives and Reformists Party. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe member parties to Category:European Conservatives and Reformists Party member parties - C2D, see above.
- Category:Youth wings of Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe member parties to Category:Youth wings of European Conservatives and Reformists Party member parties - C2D, see above.
- Category:European Conservatives and Reformists to Category:European Conservatives and Reformists Group - C2D, as per European Conservatives and Reformists Group. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have only tagged these four categories now. Ymblanter (talk) 19:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ainaži to Category:Towns in Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indian sugar industry to Category:Sugar industry of India – WP:C2D per Sugar industry of India. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric vehicles to Category:Diesel–electric vehicles – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric cars to Category:Diesel–electric cars – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives by country to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives by country – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Albania to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Albania – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Algeria to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Algeria – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Argentina to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Argentina – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Australia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Australia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Austria to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Austria – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Belgium to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Belgium – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Bosnia and Herzegovina – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Botswana to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Botswana – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Brazil to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Brazil – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Canada to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Canada – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Chile to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Chile – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of China to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of China – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Colombia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Colombia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Croatia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Croatia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Cuba to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Cuba – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the Czech Republic to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the Czech Republic – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Czechoslovakia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Czechoslovakia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the Democratic Republic of the Congo – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Denmark to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Denmark – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Ecuador to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Ecuador – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Egypt to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Egypt – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Finland to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Finland – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of France to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of France – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Gabon to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Gabon – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Germany to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Germany – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Ghana to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Ghana – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Great Britain to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Great Britain – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Guinea to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Guinea – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Hong Kong to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Hong Kong – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Hungary to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Hungary – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of India to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of India – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Indonesia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Indonesia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Iran to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Iran – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Iraq to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Iraq – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Ireland to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Ireland – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Israel to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Israel – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Italy to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Italy – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Ivory Coast to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Ivory Coast – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Jamaica to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Jamaica – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Japan to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Japan – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Kazakhstan to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Kazakhstan – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Kenya to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Kenya – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Kosovo to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Kosovo – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Lebanon to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Lebanon – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Liberia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Liberia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Lithuania to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Lithuania – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Luxembourg to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Luxembourg – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Malaysia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Malaysia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Mali to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Mali – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Mauritania to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Mauritania – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Mexico to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Mexico – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Montenegro to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Montenegro – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Morocco to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Morocco – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Mozambique to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Mozambique – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Namibia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Namibia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the Netherlands to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the Netherlands – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of New Zealand to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of New Zealand – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Nigeria to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Nigeria – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of North Korea to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of North Korea – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Norway to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Norway – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Pakistan to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Pakistan – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Peru to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Peru – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the Philippines to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the Philippines – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Poland to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Poland – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Portugal to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Portugal – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of North Macedonia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of North Macedonia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Rhodesia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Rhodesia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Russia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Russia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Saudi Arabia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Saudi Arabia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Senegal to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Senegal – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Serbia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Serbia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Slovakia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Slovakia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Slovenia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Slovenia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of South Africa to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of South Africa – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of South Korea to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of South Korea – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the Soviet Union to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the Soviet Union – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Spain to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Spain – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Sri Lanka to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Sri Lanka – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Sweden to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Sweden – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Switzerland to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Switzerland – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Syria to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Syria – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Taiwan to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Taiwan – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Tanzania to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Tanzania – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Thailand to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Thailand – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Tunisia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Tunisia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Turkey to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Turkey – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Ukraine to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Ukraine – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the United Arab Emirates to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the United Arab Emirates – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the United States to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the United States – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Venezuela to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Venezuela – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Vietnam to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Vietnam – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Yugoslavia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Yugoslavia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Zambia to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Zambia – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Zimbabwe to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Zimbabwe – C2A: Hyphen to en dash for disjunction. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male bisexuality in film to Category:Films about male bisexuality – C2C. snapsnap (talk) 22:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'd like to oppose this change. @SnapSnap, this makes it sound like the films are about male bisexuality, as opposed to simply including it in some form. The original category seems like a better description. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I though this would be eligible for speedy renaming since its "sister" category, Category:Films about female bisexuality, was renamed earlier this year. snapsnap (talk) 18:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hey man im josh: very many films-by-topic categories have been renamed to "films about" at full CFD on the grounds that it's a more WP:DEFINING criterion. The category may need purging after renaming – and we could ask for that task to be listed at WP:CFD/W/M – but it's very likely that the nom would be approved at a full CFD, so please reconsider whether it's worth opposing it here. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I though this would be eligible for speedy renaming since its "sister" category, Category:Films about female bisexuality, was renamed earlier this year. snapsnap (talk) 18:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'd like to oppose this change. @SnapSnap, this makes it sound like the films are about male bisexuality, as opposed to simply including it in some form. The original category seems like a better description. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ukrainian novels 2014 to Category:2014 Ukrainian novels – C2A. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Senior lords of appeal in Ordinary to Category:Senior lords of appeal in ordinary – C2A. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 21:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Rally (France) to Category:National Rally – C2D. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video games banned from Twitch to Category:Video games banned from Twitch (service) – C2B: per Twitch (service)/Category:Twitch (service). Armbrust The Homunculus 18:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pre-1876 life peers to Category:Life peers created before 1876 – C2C: with subcategories, and generally clearer — RAVENPVFF · talk · 18:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Not a list of peers created (i.e. born, or conceived) before 1876, but of peerages. “Category:Life peerages created before 1876” or “Category:Life peerages before 1876” would useful and not inaccurate, and “List of life peerages before 1876” (not category) already exists. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephan Leeds: true, but all the subcats use "Life peers created by…", so the nomination was valid under C2C. Do you want to nominate the cat and its sub-(sub-)cats for a full CFD? – Fayenatic London 21:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Not a list of peers created (i.e. born, or conceived) before 1876, but of peerages. “Category:Life peerages created before 1876” or “Category:Life peerages before 1876” would useful and not inaccurate, and “List of life peerages before 1876” (not category) already exists. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Twitch livestreams to Category:Twitch (service) livestreams – C2C. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Christine and the Queens to Category:Rahim Redcar – C2D/WP:DEADNAME. There was a similar case/is a precedent.
- Category:Christine and the Queens album covers to Category:Rahim Redcar album covers – C2D
- Category:Christine and the Queens albums to Category:Rahim Redcar albums – C2D
- Category:Christine and the Queens songs to Category:Rahim Redcar songs – C2D Web-julio (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio: You forgot to tag the categories as described at the top of the page. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 18:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- too bad these things aren't automated with CSD. Web-julio (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Web-julio you may want to try WP:TWINKLE, which mostly automates CFD nominations. Also, when tagging category pages, the Cfd template is usually inserted at the top of the page – I see you put it at the end – but perhaps these days the current bot will be able to remove it from the end anyway. – Fayenatic London 21:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- too bad these things aren't automated with CSD. Web-julio (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio: You forgot to tag the categories as described at the top of the page. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 18:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Houthi Movement to Category:Houthi movement – C2A/C2D per Houthi movement. Brandmeistertalk 15:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Petroleum industry in Sudan to Category:Petroleum industry by country – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mining in Croatia to Category:Mining by country – C2F: Also merge to Category:Industry in Croatia. AusLondonder (talk) 13:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This should be also merged to Category:Mining in Europe by country and Category:Geology of Croatia. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romani history to Category:History of the Romani people – C2D: main page is History of the Romani people Mason (talk) 03:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:RFL League 1 to Category:RFL League One – C2D: Following rename of the RFL League One article per rename of the league name. Raladic (talk) 22:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Aquaculture in the Philippines to Category:Aquaculture by country – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was able to find another page for the category Mason (talk) 03:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pro-motivational agents to Category:Motivation-enhancing drugs – Category main article motivation-enhancing drug recently renamed, update category name to match (WP:C2D), also WP:C2E (original category creator requesting—different IP address right now but same person). 75.46.150.155 (talk) 16:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections to Category:Wikipedia Arbitration Committee Elections – C2A: per Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Election. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why not fix the WP page? Gonnym (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: You mean almost every page in the subcategories too? They all use "Elections". Armbrust The Homunculus 18:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it doesn't really seem to be a proper name. Gonnym (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not against it, but I certainly won't be doing it either. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it doesn't really seem to be a proper name. Gonnym (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: You mean almost every page in the subcategories too? They all use "Elections". Armbrust The Homunculus 18:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why not fix the WP page? Gonnym (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jesuits to Category:Jesuit people – Rename to make room for renaming Category:Society of Jesus per C2D.
- Oppose renaming, including all sub-categories. Jesuits are people who are members of the Society of Jesus. The Society of Jesus is a religious organization that has members and runs thousands of other sub-organizations. As is clear from Category:Society of Jesus, the category includes both members and many other things, including events, organizations, spiritual practices, etc. Renaming the sub-categories is an even worse proposal because nearly all of their contents are not individual Jesuits, but are institutions. Just because the article Jesuits uses the colloquialism "Jesuits" to refer to the institution (even though technically this refers to members), it does not follow that the categories should be reorganized. This change would result in any incredibly unintuitive, inaccurate, and messy category tree. For example, why should we change the perfectly accurate and existing Category:Jesuits, which includes members, to Category:Jesuit people, which is a phrase no one uses and is less clear? Ergo Sum 13:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ergo Sum: I could be wrong and Category:Jesuits (people) would be more appropriate (or the categories can be merged in some form, but this is not the most suitable solution in my opinion). However, given the title of the main article, the current naming is confusing and defies categorization standards. Jesuits should be the name of the main category in the tree. I was confused by it, that's why I put it here (so much for your "incredibly unintuitive"). The sub-items in the tree need to be named even more. It is completely in line with convention and not based on a personal feeling of what is more intuitive and what is not. FromCzech (talk) 08:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. 1) This isn't speediable. 2) There's no need to disambiguate the category tree, and 3) I see very little upside of massively disrupting a huge category tree. Mason (talk) 01:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ergo Sum: I could be wrong and Category:Jesuits (people) would be more appropriate (or the categories can be merged in some form, but this is not the most suitable solution in my opinion). However, given the title of the main article, the current naming is confusing and defies categorization standards. Jesuits should be the name of the main category in the tree. I was confused by it, that's why I put it here (so much for your "incredibly unintuitive"). The sub-items in the tree need to be named even more. It is completely in line with convention and not based on a personal feeling of what is more intuitive and what is not. FromCzech (talk) 08:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Society of Jesus to Category:Jesuits – C2D: Jesuits, the page was moved 2 years ago.
- Category:Society of Jesus in the United States to Category:Jesuits in the United States – C2D: Jesuits, Jesuits in the United States.
- Category:Society of Jesus in the United States by state to Category:Jesuits in the United States by state – C2D: Jesuits, Jesuits in the United States.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Arizona to Category:Jesuits in Arizona: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in California to Category:Jesuits in California: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Colorado to Category:Jesuits in Colorado: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Connecticut to Category:Jesuits in Connecticut: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Illinois to Category:Jesuits in Illinois: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Louisiana to Category:Jesuits in Louisiana: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Maryland to Category:Jesuits in Maryland: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Massachusetts to Category:Jesuits in Massachusetts: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Michigan to Category:Jesuits in Michigan: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Missouri to Category:Jesuits in Missouri: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in New York (state) to Category:Jesuits in New York (state): C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Ohio to Category:Jesuits in Ohio: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Pennsylvania to Category:Jesuits in Pennsylvania: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Texas to Category:Jesuits in Texas: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Washington (state) to Category:Jesuits in Washington (state): C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Washington, D.C. to Category:Jesuits in Washington, D.C.: C2D.
- Category:Society of Jesus in Wisconsin to Category:Jesuits in Wisconsin: C2D. FromCzech (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This needs discussion. There is no benefit to disrupting a huge category tree, especually via a speedy nomination Mason (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming, including all sub-categories. Jesuits are people who are members of the Society of Jesus. The Society of Jesus is a religious organization that has members and runs thousands of other sub-organizations. As is clear from Category:Society of Jesus, the category includes both members and many other things, including events, organizations, spiritual practices, etc. Renaming the sub-categories is an even worse proposal because nearly all of their contents are not individual Jesuits, but are institutions. Just because the article Jesuits uses the colloquialism "Jesuits" to refer to the institution (even though technically this refers to members), it does not follow that the categories should be reorganized. This change would result in any incredibly unintuitive, inaccurate, and messy category tree. For example, why should we change the perfectly accurate and existing Category:Jesuits, which includes members, to Category:Jesuit people, which is a phrase no one uses and is less clear? Ergo Sum 13:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- None currently
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales to Category:People from Muswellbrook – C2C: To match parent Category:Muswellbrook. AusLondonder (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is Muswellbrook, New South Wales. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I overlooked that, the article should be renamed as Muswellbrook simply redirects there making the disambiguation unnecessary. AusLondonder (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I overlooked that, the article should be renamed as Muswellbrook simply redirects there making the disambiguation unnecessary. AusLondonder (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is Muswellbrook, New South Wales. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball) – C2C: to match sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for proposed format, therefore C2C doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for proposed format, therefore C2C doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Albury, New South Wales to Category:Albury – C2D: To match Albury. AusLondonder (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Albury is ambiguous and therefore C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, but moved to CFD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Link to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, but moved to CFD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Albury is ambiguous and therefore C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions
[edit]October 24
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]October 23
[edit]Category:Political parties of minorities in China
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. The category description is vaguely worded (simply "minorities") and is left to the interpretation of editors. The immediate policy-based issue is WP:CATV; the creator of the category has been adding it to articles seemingly based on their own interpretations of the category they created. No additional sources or context has ever been provided by them.The problem with verifiability becomes particularly troublesome when the creator's definition of "minority" seems to be far from any reliable sources'. For example, the category's creator has been adding it to several Hong Kong and Macau articles without further explanation, but both SARs / cities have Han Chinese minorities. While Cantonese speakers are a minority in the whole of China, they are not in those SARS / cities, and so their political parties, exclusive to the SARs' boundaries and not present in the rest of China, are not representative of "minorities in China".There are also foreign organisations in the category that do not have any activities in China but claim to represent a minority in China, as well as organisations that have not been called political parties by the sources given.I believe the creator's intention was to group political organisations of ethnic, cultural, religious or linguistic minorities in China together in one category, but due to 1. The vague wording and 2. Self-coinage, it has been open up to various interpretations that do not align with existing sources, including the creator's.Similar categories made should be specific to the minority, e.g. "Tibetan political parties [in China]". However, this poorly scoped out category should not be kept. Yue🌙 22:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is part of a broader category tree, Category:Political parties of minorities by country. Not sure if these concerns extend to other categories in the tree. AusLondonder (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Lubāna
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Lubāna to Category:People from Madona Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Durbe
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Durbe to Category:People from South Kurzeme Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Brocēni
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Brocēni to Category:People from Saldus Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ape, Latvia
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Ape, Latvia to Category:People from Smiltene Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:De Nora
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT Only an eponymous article and the founder. Gjs238 (talk) 00:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
October 22
[edit]Category:English-language news websites without paywall
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Whether a news outlet is behind a paywall or not is WP:NONDEFINING. Paywalls can be region-locked, can allow X number of articles before the gate shuts, and so on. It is too arbitrary and capricious to be used in this way. Zaathras (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete And having a payewall is more defining than not having one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per both above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- A number of child categories have been created. I'd also note the category currently completely ignores Canada and India, amongst others. AusLondonder (talk) 11:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I will add the subcategories below. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:American news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Australian news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Baseball pitching
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball)
- Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C; opposed at speedy a reason I didn't really understand. matches sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the opposition at speedy, there is only one category in this form so far, namely Category:Batting (baseball), so it is not an established convention. But I do not have an opinion on the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, there are a few more with the "(baseball)" dab like this but I understand the objection now. Thanks. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Professional wrestling games
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Professional wrestling games to Category:Professional wrestling video games
- Nominator's rationale: This current name is too vague because this category doesn't seem to contain any other type of game. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Did you check all 137 articles? If the answer is yes then by all means rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Counter-Earths
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Counter-Earths to Category:Works set on Counter-Earths
- Nominator's rationale: Rename due to none of the articles actually being about a fictional Counter-Earth and only consisting of fictional works. Should become a subcategory of Category:Works by setting with most others removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This would be appropriate for most of the entries, which are titles of fictional works, but the main article, Counter-Earth, refers to the hypothetical body, while Gor and Paira (planet) refer to fictional versions of that body. Instead of a category, perhaps it would be better to list these works in a special section of the article Counter-Earth. This would be analogous to Fifth planet (hypothetical)#Fifth planet in fiction and Claimed moons of Earth#Literature. Goustien (talk) 04:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to Category:Works set on fictional planets, most of the articles aren't clearly set on the Counter-Earth. Note that Counter-Earth can only be singular, not plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would support that too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:10000000 (number)
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Only page is a redirect, individual category seems useless Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a useful category. Cremastra (u — c) 01:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:First Timers bands
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCVENUE. We do not categorize bands for each individual festival or venue they may have played at, and First Timers is not such a highly meganotable special case as to warrant a special exception over and above other festivals. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Its function is different to most festivals though, as each band is playing for the first time there, so if they then become notable enough their having started out there is more distinct than a band playing at another festival at some point in their career. There are plenty of categories on here for bands who have released on specific record labels, and I see this as more in line with that. Lewishhh (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Agriculture in Saint Kitts and Nevis
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category contains only a redirect and an article about a historic cotton and sugar plantation that closed in the 1970s. Not helpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Female models from Allentown, Pennsylvania
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with two entries, over-categorisation by occupation and location. Merge to relevant parents. AusLondonder (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Female models from Pennsylvania because the articles are already in Category:Actresses from Allentown, Pennsylvania. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Isiro
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Isiro to Category:People from Haut-Uélé
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ivangorod
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Ivangorod to Category:People from Kingiseppsky District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Volosovo
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Volosovo to Category:People from Volosovsky District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rescue of Roma during the Romani genocide
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: merge, one article each, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment (creator). I hoped this would be populated by others since its creation, but no luck :( I agree this is currently underpopulated and there are no interwikis. I don't know any editor who is interested in and knowledgeable about this to populate this or comment on potential on this except User:Buidhe, perhaps. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Romani history by country
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Romani history by country to Category:Romani history
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pacific theatre of World War II US people
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: parent is American people of World War II, and norm is not "US people" Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, also for better understandability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. US people is pretty ugly... let's get rid of it whenever we can. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:East Toowoomba, Queensland
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:East Toowoomba, Queensland to Category:East Toowoomba
- Nominator's rationale: To match renamed article East Toowoomba. AusLondonder (talk) 01:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- No as the article was renamed without a RM, it would likely have been opposed at CFDS. AusLondonder (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this seems to be unambiguous. It could not have been speedied, the article was just moved without discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Suburbs of Maryborough
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Suburbs of Maryborough to Category:Maryborough, Queensland
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only one article, would be better categorised within parent Category:Maryborough, Queensland. AusLondonder (talk) 00:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gaza envelope
[edit]- propose renaming: Category:Gaza envelope to Category:Gaza Strip envelope
- Nominator's rationale: More accurate and similar to the main article for the category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cactinites (talk • contribs)
October 21
[edit]Category:Pitcairn Islands people convicted of rape
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden this category because there's no parent category Pitcairn Islands criminals, and I think that creating a parent category right now would just be redudant Mason (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think the category is legitimate, although there are questions about what categories it should be under. I now think it shouldn't be under "British people convicted of rape" because people from the British Overseas Territories aren't classified as British people on Wikipedia, there are various categories relating to these territories. PatGallacher (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Pitcairn Islands criminals and Category:Sex offenders from British Overseas Territories. Pitcairn Islands the least populous territory in the world, with only 35 people as of the latest census. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep The islands have/had a particular issue with sexual offences, with three in it now all senior administrators. So set up Category:Pitcairn Islands criminals, or leave it as itis. Johnbod (talk) 03:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bantu
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Bantu to Category:?
- Nominator's rationale: Bantu does not have a primary topic so a better title for this category should be used. Maybe Bantu (culture)? Open to suggestions. Gonnym (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Downmerge to Category:Bantu peoples, everything Bantu must refer to these peoples. But add a special sort key to the articles and subcategories so that they will appear on top, before all individual peoples. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the ping. Yeah, I'm fine with that suggestion. Gonnym (talk) 08:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Free compilers and interpreters
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Compilers and interpreters
- Propose splitting Category:Free compilers and interpreters to Category:Free and open source compilers and Category:Free and open source interpreters
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Compilers and interpreters is basically a hybrid of Category:Compilers and Category:Interpreters (computing). The overwhelming majority of articles only fit in one category, and the few that don't can be in both categories. Category:Free compilers and interpreters should be split into two new categories for the same reason. I also propose adding "open source" to the names of the new categories, since that's what the current category is being used for, and just "free" is vague. Zerbu 💬 13:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: with this proposal, what should happen with the six articles that are currently in Category:Compilers and interpreters? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, so that will be a merge instead of deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Split Category:Free compilers and interpreters per nom, or else rename to Category:Free programming language implementations or similar. I think Category:Foos and Bars titles should be avoided whenever possible. They lead to issues like this one:Why is Category:Compilers and interpreters a subcategory of Category:Compilers and of Category:Interpreters (computing)? That's completely backwards! Its handful of direct members are already in the appropriate subcategories of Category:Programming tools, and we're splitting its sole subcategory; I don't see any reason to merge instead of delete. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- I guess we all agree that the categories are redundant. The only question I had was about 6 left-over articles, they apparently need to be moved to compilers. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Joseon scholar-officials
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Joseon scholar-officials to Category:Joseon scholars and Category:Joseon government officials
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should split this category, as a non-defining intersection. There's no parent scholar-officials Mason (talk) 02:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, there is also an article Scholar-official. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- I am going to oppose on the basis of WP:OVERLAPCAT, this proposal will result in two categories with almost the same content. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These people aren't 'officials', and they aren't 'scholars'. They are the ruling people, a social cast mostly hereditary, using the examination system as a "just cause" for their power. The compound word "scholar-officials" is the usual scholarly denomination for these people. Pldx1 (talk) 21:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Shanghai Nobel laureates
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Shanghai Nobel laureates to Category:Chinese Nobel laureates
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between city and award. Similar situation occurred with Category:Nobel laureates affiliated with Missouri Mason (talk) 23:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Category:Washington Redskins currentteam parameter articles
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by Category:Washington Commanders currentteam parameter articles, the current name of the team. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is an obscure backend tracking category - the chance of people being helped by a redirect is practically nil. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not useful as a redirect and no player's currentteam should ever list Washington Redskins. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Category:Washington Football Team currentteam parameter articles
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by Category:Washington Commanders currentteam parameter articles, the current name of the team. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- There should never be any further use of this since the team was renamed. There are no other categories for old NFL team names either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Amirov brothers
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Amirov brothers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shevchenko sisters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added 17 Oct)
- Propose deleting Category:Peruvian sports families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kyrgyzstani sports families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kyrgyzstani families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Amirov brothers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see the point of such a small category for navigating between two people. The article on one brother points to the other brother, and vice versa. Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete along with Category:Shevchenko sisters for identical reasons, along with their otherwise unnecessary parent categories (added to nomination today). – Fayenatic London 11:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament Final Four venues
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. This is a clear example of sorting a venue by an event it hosted. User:Namiba 22:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets basketball venues
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: A small category which does not help navigation. All articles are already in basketball venues category so a dual merge is not needed. User:Namiba 22:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:God in art
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:God in art to Category:God of Christianity in art
- Nominator's rationale: This category appears to be specific to the Christian god, but God is about the general concept, the article about the specific deity is at God in Christianity. Category:Christian god (or Category:Christian God?) might be better titles than my first suggestion, I'm not sure, but I do think specificity is needed. Other parts of the category tree might need to be looked at if consensus is to rename this one (e.g. it has parents Category:God in culture but Category:Gods in art). Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I created the category for art of any religion's version of God, which fits into the category Category:God in culture. Currently, all the contents appear to be Christian. The question would be are there any artistic depections of God from other religions, such as Judaism? If there are, I don't see the point in narrowing the scope of this category, though the different religions could be separated into their own subcategories. Mclay1 (talk) 23:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Category:Gods in art of course has large numbers of depictions of deities from other religions, with the Indian, Norse and Greco-Romans the most numerous. But oddly it doesn't include this category, as you say all Christian. Hand of God (art) is about as far as you get in Judaism. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Buddhist art should be added to Category:Gods in art; we have lots of that too. Johnbod (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, well summarized by Johnbod. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Category:Gods in art of course has large numbers of depictions of deities from other religions, with the Indian, Norse and Greco-Romans the most numerous. But oddly it doesn't include this category, as you say all Christian. Hand of God (art) is about as far as you get in Judaism. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film production companies of Turkmenistan
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a single redirect. Serves no navigational purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Groganville, Queensland
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Groganville, Queensland to Category:Shire of Mareeba
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a main article about a locality with no population and a mine. Better categorised in the parent. AusLondonder (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Areas of Boston, England
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Areas of Boston, England to Category:Areas of Boston, Lincolnshire
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with title of article on the town PamD 15:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, see Boston, Lincolnshire. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of people by honor or award
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: To match parent Category:Honour and main article. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Cape Verde
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article for someone who served as a non-resident ambassador. Pointless and unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, or possibly merge to Category:Ambassadors to Cape Verde. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Cape Verde–United Kingdom relations and Category:Ambassadors to Cape Verde.--User:Namiba 22:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Wembley
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Academics from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Musicians from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley and Category:Musicians from the London Borough of Brent
- Propose merging Category:Politicians from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Scientists from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Writers from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley and Category:Writers from the London Borough of Brent
- Nominator's rationale: Previous consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#People from London by locality and occupation was that this sub-categorisation is unnecessary and unhelpful. See also WP:OCLOCATION. AusLondonder (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales to Category:People from Muswellbrook
- Nominator's rationale: To match parent category Category:Muswellbrook and renamed main article Muswellbrook. AusLondonder (talk) 14:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nineveh
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Nineveh to Category:Nineveh and Category:Nineveh archaeologists (or Category:Archaeologists of Nineveh)
- Nominator's rationale: This is not a people category per WP:COPSEP. Subcat can then be added to Category:Archaeologists by region of study. --woodensuperman 12:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on creating a subcategory. But Nineveh is a city, not a region. Dimadick (talk) 12:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A subcat of Category:Mesopotamian archaeologists then? --woodensuperman 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The correct existing parent is Category:Archaeologists of the Near East. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A subcat of Category:Mesopotamian archaeologists then? --woodensuperman 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albury, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Albury, New South Wales to Category:Albury
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the main article Albury. While there are a number of very small towns and villages of the same name, none of these have categories and several of them have less than 100 residents. Albury is the overwhelmingly clear primary topic. AusLondonder (talk) 12:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ardglen, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Ardglen, New South Wales to Category:Liverpool Plains Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a main article and an article about a tunnel in the area, would be more suitably categorised in parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 12:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Greenethorpe, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Greenethorpe, New South Wales to Category:Weddin Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a main article and an article about a historic homestead. Would be more helpful contained within the parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Privolzhsk
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Gaginsky District
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Mezhgorye, Republic of Bashkortostan
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Capital University of Medical Sciences
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 12:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:GMA Network personalities
[edit]- Propose merging Category:GMA Network personalities to Category:GMA Network people
- Nominator's rationale: "Personalities" is redundant with people. There is no reason to have this category which implies to cover "actors and singers" when "people" apply just fine. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The merge target is probably meant to be Category:GMA Network (company) people. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:ABS-CBN personalities
[edit]- Propose merging Category:ABS-CBN personalities to Category:ABS-CBN people
- Nominator's rationale: "Personalities" is redundant with people. There is no reason to have this category which implies to cover "actors and singers" when "people" apply just fine. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiction about sexuality
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Fiction about sexuality to Category:Fiction and sexuality or Category:Sexuality and fiction
- Nominator's rationale: It was speedy renamed without discussion. Some articles are about Sexuality in fiction but they are not technically Fiction about sexuality. So my proposal is to include both cases, as the scope of this was never discussed officially (or did anyone talk about it anywhere?). Web-julio (talk) 06:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this way, the proposal is a too vague target. For topic articles about sexuality in fiction we may recreate Category:Sexuality in fiction as parent of Category:Fiction about sexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- But then we should rename back per WP:STATUSQUO. Web-julio (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Procedurally I agree with that. After restoring the status quo, Category:Fiction about sexuality can be created as a "new" subcategory of Category:Sexuality in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- But then we should rename back per WP:STATUSQUO. Web-julio (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ and religion
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ and religion to Category:LGBTQ people and religion
- Nominator's rationale: No one in the last discussion considered consistency with the main article (Religion and LGBTQ people).
"LGBTQ" comes first following consistency with family tree, but that can change, observing this discussion. Web-julio (talk) 04:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- We should probably just keep to the order of the article. It is about how religion deals with LGBT people, not how LGBT people deal with religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, now I'm neutral on the order. Web-julio (talk) 06:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Religion and LGBTQ people per WP:TOPICCAT – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 14:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
October 20
[edit]Category:Slavery by war
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Slavery by war to Category:Slavery during wars
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category seem to be related to wars about slavery rather than a category that breaks down Slavery by individual wars Mason (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I meant to keep this category separate from Category:Slavery during wars to keep the supercategory more focused on the subject of wartime slavery in general. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and purge, large overlapping. Purge Category:American Civil War, this is not about slavery. Even if one of the primary causes of the war was slavery, the category is about war. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Surnames of Malagasy origin
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Surnames of Malagasy origin to Category:Malagasy-language surnames
- Nominator's rationale: These two categories seem to be duplicates as they contain many of the same articles. I don't care which one is Merged into which but I think we only need one category for Malagasy surnames. They also aren't very well populated but that's another matter. Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge per nom. Both forms occur, so the merge direction can just be taken randomly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination, as the target already contains all the members of the nominated category. Also redirect to discourage unnecessary re-creation. – Fayenatic London 21:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Piedmontese-speaking people by occupation
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Piedmontese-speaking people by occupation to Category:Piedmontese language
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Historic buildings and structures in France
[edit]- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT & WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
- The official heritage register in France is the Monument historique and all that this category contains is the Category:Monuments historiques of France subcategory so there's no navigational benefit to this empty parent category. And, if a Wikipedia editor added any articles directly to this category, it wouldn't be encyclopedic since it's so subjective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Background: We previously deleted similar subjective "historic" building categories here, here, here and here. Also, I moved two loose articles (1, 2) to the Mh subcat prior to this nomination.- RevelationDirect (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The problem here is that Category:Monuments historiques of France must be subcategorized under the parent category Category:Historic buildings and structures, where the naming convention established by sibling categories for other countries requires the form "Historic buildings and structures in [Country]". The rule here isn't that things have to be categorized according to the "official name" of the register that conferred historic status; it's that the tree has to be internally consistent within itself, so that the location of any related category can be rationally predicted by any user regardless of their depth or lack of inside knowledge of the "official name" of anything. So we can't just file Category:Monuments historiques of France directly in the parent category, because it's out of phase with all of its siblings, but we can't just exclude it from a parent category that it needs to be in either, so this category must exist so that France has a category named the same way as its other-country siblings are named.
There's absolutely nothing subjective about them, either, as the categories were intended for buildings that have been designated as historic by external authorities, meaning that there's no subjectivity involved since the official registers of historic buildings tell us what does or doesn't belong in the categories. They're not categories for just any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them on the basis of a personal opinion that they're historic, they're categories for buildings that have been officially designated and listed as historic by the relevant authority, and thus have clear and straightforward and entirely unsubjective inclusion criteria. Bearcat (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)- Only 8 other countries still have a sibling category we haven't deleted yet because they often are used for any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them, if they're used at all. In contrast, the less subjective Category:Heritage registers by country tree has 55 countries in it including Category:Heritage registers in France. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Heritage registers by country is for things that are heritage registers, not things that are buildings on heritage registers, so that and this are not duplicating each other at all. And if the categories are being used wrong, then the appropriate solution is to clean up the bad entries, not to delete the categories altogether, because the categories do serve a valid and neutral and objective purpose quite independently of any misuse that may occur. Any category can have wrong stuff added to it at any time, so if "could be used wrongly" were a reason to delete categories in and of itself then we wouldn't have any categories at all anymore. Bearcat (talk) 21:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Only 8 other countries still have a sibling category we haven't deleted yet because they often are used for any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them, if they're used at all. In contrast, the less subjective Category:Heritage registers by country tree has 55 countries in it including Category:Heritage registers in France. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge, there are only a few countries with this sort of category, so there is nothing predictable about it anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Transgender
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Transgender to Category:Transgender topics
- Nominator's rationale: The subcategories under Category:Transgender by country were recently renamed to Category:Transgender topics by country following this CfD. However, the top-level parent wasn't included in that nomination. Suggest renaming accordingly for consistency and to avoid the awkward adjective category title. Paul_012 (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. Language is evolving very quickly in this area though, so no objection to renaming this tree later.. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This would be also consistent with Category:Transgender men-related topics and Category:Transgender women-related topics. Web-julio (talk) 03:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:National artists of Thailand
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National artists of Thailand to Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees
- Nominator's rationale: I previously raised objection to the decapitalisation of the category title at WT:CFD, though the reversion process seems to have fallen through the cracks. Anyway, as I mentioned in that discussion, the National Artist title is an award, and directly using the award title for the category does feel a bit unnatural. To compare, we don't refer to Academy Award "Best Actors", but "Best Actor winners". Renaming the category as proposed would better reflect the nature of the title, i.e. its being an award, not a job. Paul_012 (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I think the proposed form matches the general preference at CfD to follow the article title, though I personally dislike parenthesis in category titles when natural disambiguation is possible. So I'll also list Category:National Artist of Thailand awardees, Category:National Artist awardees of Thailand, Category:Thai National Artist awardees, and Category:Thailand National Artist awardees as alternative suggestions. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alternative Rename or Rename Support matching the main article, National Artist (Thailand), per WP:C2D but Category:National Artists (Thailand) seems more succinct. (Would also support the nominated wording Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, I thought someone had re-nommed that for speedy renaming to revert the change, since it was contested (after the fact, making it controversial still and meaning it should be discussed). I am indeed weary of it being pluralized because my understanding is "National Artist" is a title, whereas, I believe, based on WP:JOBTITLES, pluralizing it would lead to not being a proper title. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior to Category:Scindia dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation. PadFoot (talk) 16:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:House of Scindia per article title House of Scindia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That would be good too. PadFoot (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Somali(an) people
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Somalian people to Category:13th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Somalian people to Category:14th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:15th-century Somalian people to Category:15th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Somalian people to Category:16th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Somalian people to Category:17th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Somalian people to Category:18th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian people to Category:19th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian women to Category:19th-century Somali women
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian writers to Category:19th-century Somali writers
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian women writers to Category:19th-century Somali women writers
- Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, the country Somalia did not exist yet in these centuries and it is unclear whether Somalian would include or exclude current Somaliland. So I think it is better to re-parent these categories, i.e. move them from the tree of Category:Somalian people to the tree of Category:Ethnic Somali people. For example in the 13th-century category there is someone in the Maldives who was probably an ethnic Somali. Fwiw, many articles use "Somali" rather than "Somalian" too. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose. It may be a follow-up discussion, but that discussion didn't conclude that we should rename everything from a nationality( Somalian) to an ethnicity (Somali). Logistically, this rename would be incompatible with the templates its currently using. Mason (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Templates should be changed accordingly, of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. PadFoot (talk) 13:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose. It may be a follow-up discussion, but that discussion didn't conclude that we should rename everything from a nationality( Somalian) to an ethnicity (Somali). Logistically, this rename would be incompatible with the templates its currently using. Mason (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all, and redirect C19 to aid navigation between centuries. – Fayenatic London 21:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Logos by country
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Logos by country to Category:Wikipedia images of logos by country
- Propose renaming Category:Logos by medium to Category:Wikipedia images of logos by medium
- Nominator's rationale: rename to align with parent Category:Wikipedia images of logos and to avoid confusion with Category:Logos which contains articles rather than images. There are a few articles in these trees (not many), they should be moved to Category:Logos. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. If separate categories for articles and image files are desired, then this looks like the best way to accomplish that. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs to Category:Rajput dynasties
- Nominator's rationale: Simpler, more concise and more common construct. PadFoot (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Museum of the Year (UK) recipients
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining feature of any of the subjects. Not a particularly notable award. AusLondonder (talk) 14:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: you say its not a particularly notable award, are there notability requirements for categories? The article itself Museum of the Year has 48 references. I'm not very familiar with the rules around categories but this seems like enough. John Cummings (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Categories use a somewhat different standard, WP:DEFINING, and most of the nominations here involve WP:OC. Hope that helps! RevelationDirect (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: you say its not a particularly notable award, are there notability requirements for categories? The article itself Museum of the Year has 48 references. I'm not very familiar with the rules around categories but this seems like enough. John Cummings (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Clicked on several articles and this is treated as a passing reference; feels like WP:OCAWARD. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Carrathool
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Carrathool to Category:Carrathool Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a disused bridge, better categorised in parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dumaresq, New South Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a defunct train station. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably merge to Category:Northern Tablelands. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The main article is already categorised in Category:Towns in New England (New South Wales), a region largely overlapping with the Northern Tablelands. AusLondonder (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiction set around Omicron Persei
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Every item in this category is a Futurama episode; it is also the only media which is frequently set there listed on the article Omicron Persei; this category may be too narrow or small. Xeroctic (talk) 13:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ centenarians
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection under WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 12:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep if Category:LGBTQ people by period subcats are defining, so is LGBTQ centenarians. EGRS doesn't say anything on that matter, yet people blindly use it imaginarily thinking it does. Or at least provide specific quote or section in which it applies.
- --MikutoH talk! 00:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- How is the intersection between being a longevist and LGBTQ defining? Your comparison doesn't make sense at all because LGBTQ people by period isn't relevant at all to the question at hand. Mason (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Per request @MikutoH
- >Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics) with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless that combination is itself recognized as a defining topic that has already been established (in reliable sources showing substantial existing research specific to the topic), as academically or culturally significant in its own right. The mere fact that such people happen to exist is not a valid criterion for determining the legitimacy of a category.
- Mason (talk) 01:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- How is the intersection between being a longevist and LGBTQ defining? Your comparison doesn't make sense at all because LGBTQ people by period isn't relevant at all to the question at hand. Mason (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:EGRS. I also believe that being a centenarian is non-defining for the vast majority of people but that is a different discussion.--User:Namiba
Category:People from Kamyenyets
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Kamyenyets to Category:People from Kamyenyets District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Zardab
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Zardab to Category:People from Zardab District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – already listed in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Sulam
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Sulam to Category:People from Northern District (Israel)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Athens, West Virginia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – already listed in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Anawalt, West Virginia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Lemington, Vermont
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Gazipaşa
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Gazipaşa to Category:People from Antalya Province
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 08:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. AusLondonder (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Thompson, North Dakota
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 04:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Kensington, New Hampshire
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article, and would encourage the nominator to do so in similar nominations. – Fayenatic London 21:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lostwave
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Lostwave to Category:Lost musical works
- Nominator's rationale: "Lostwave" is basically an ill-defined currently trendy Internet term that refers to music of unknown origins, which can also refer to completely lost works such as Ready 'n' Steady, or songs that are only known based on fragments, which seems to be the most common as listed on the page. While it is definitely "real" insofar its a term people use and there is something of a community around it, the fact it isn't clearly defined to begin with, and almost completely overlaps with "Lost musical works", "Rediscovered musical works" or "Works of unknown authorship" doesn't really make it suitable as a category. Iostn (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Distinct phenomenon from lost musical works, which are pieces and recordings of music which secondary sources can attest existed at one point, but no longer do. Support renaming to Music of unknown origin, which unlike the trendy "Lostwave" is a time-tested phrase in academia. DigitalIceAge (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the rename proposal?
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- Merge "music of unknown origin" is a clear WP:OCMISC. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree, unknown authorship is legitimate and different from a category for miscellaneous authors. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Music of unknown origin, this is different from the merge target and Category:Songwriter unknown (nominated here). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Category:Music of unknown origin does not really cover it. The category contains rediscovered songs of temporarily unknown origin, except one article about a song of which the origin is still unknown by today. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance
[edit]- Propose deleting
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: According to WikiProject Cricket's assessment scheme, All lists (including FLs) are assessed as Low-Importance only. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: You only put the CFD tag on one of the categories. You are supposed to tag every category that is being considered for deletion. Also, I don't think we typically delete categories like these. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: All have now been tagged. Thoughts on the merits of the proposal / is it the case that we don't typically delete categories like these?
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- Comment: These categories are automatically populated by the WikiProject template, so deleting them via CfD won't work; it'll only create red category links on talk pages. If the WikiProject standard is as you say, the incorrect assessments should be corrected first. However, I'm not seeing anything to that effect at the linked assessment page. It only says lists are excluded from Top and High class. The mention of cricket-related lists under Low class is only as an example, not a prescription. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just noting that four of these categories are empty. Liz Read! Talk! 20:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Women local politicans
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Women local councillors in Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Australian women local councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women municipal councillors in Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brazilian women municipal councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women municipal councillors in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Canadian women municipal councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women local politicians in Taiwan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Taiwanese women local politicians
- Propose renaming Category:Women councillors in the United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:British women councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women city councillors in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American women city councillors
- Nominator's rationale: Change to Fooian/Xian per parents. --MikutoH talk! 04:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, most of the above have Fooian parents, but Australia and the United Kingdom do not. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question. Shouldn't these follow the structure of the parent local politicians in FOO? Mason (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless @MikutoH or someone else explains why the convention should differ. Mason (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison It shouldn't differ. And which parent of the Taiwan case you're pointing at? Because all of them are Fooian. The Australia should be kept, based on the other discussion. --MikutoH talk! 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And different from Commons and several Wikipedias, enwiki doesn't have Category:Births by country. --MikutoH talk! 01:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- This category structure is what I'm talking about: Category:Local politicians in Canada and Category:Local politicians by country Mason (talk) 01:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And different from Commons and several Wikipedias, enwiki doesn't have Category:Births by country. --MikutoH talk! 01:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison It shouldn't differ. And which parent of the Taiwan case you're pointing at? Because all of them are Fooian. The Australia should be kept, based on the other discussion. --MikutoH talk! 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless @MikutoH or someone else explains why the convention should differ. Mason (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question. Shouldn't these follow the structure of the parent local politicians in FOO? Mason (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Critics of veganism
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OPINIONCAT. Web-julio (talk) 05:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, because OPINIONCAT isn't really applicable here. They are not characterized simply because of a non-defining like or dislike, but because of a position that they hold. In that regard, there is no functional difference between someone who recommends veganism/vegetarianism, versus someone who recommends against it, so long as there is sufficient sourcing that the person has made significant commentary to that effect. If there are pages about people for whom it is a minor aspect of their views, so as not to be defining, that should be addressed by cleanup of the categories, rather than by deleting the categories entirely. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vegans and Category:Vegan people were deleted two times, but if we see, there's still Category:People in veganism, but no one is there simply because they are vegan or recommend veganism. The same is true about Category:Vegetarians vs Category:People in vegetarianism.
- While some say critics of vegetarianism are automatically critic of veganism, that's not true as there are vegans who oppose Lacto-ovo vegetarianism or are sceptical of Flexitarianism as well. Web-julio (talk) 00:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom (WP:OPINIONCAT). PadFoot (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:British music logos
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Limited scope (contains just one entry and one subcat) with likely limited expansion. Exists without an established Category:Music logos tree that also seems too limited to exist. Upmerge to Category:British logos. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the parent category seems to be an images category, so it may not be the best merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like a mix of files and articles (mostly in other subcats) to me. Do you think it should be pruned of one or the other? Split between the two? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think all articles should be moved to the tree of Category:Logos. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like a mix of files and articles (mostly in other subcats) to me. Do you think it should be pruned of one or the other? Split between the two? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)- If articles and image files need to be separated then sure, go ahead. I don't know that they actually do, but if Marcocapelle insists then I'm willing to trust them. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- See follow up nomination. It may be a good idea to close this discussion only after the follow-up is closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
October 19
[edit]Category:Classical Marxist parties in the United States
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's only on page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 23:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There isn't even a Category:Classical Marxist parties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Video games by narrative genre
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Video games by narrative genre to Category:Video games by theme
- Nominator's rationale: This category was nominated for merging but was opposed, however, upon looking at the previous discussion, it wasn't opposed with righteous consent. Dimadick just said "Oppose, Genres are not limited to common themes, but also to the tone of the work." and that lead to the closure. He provide much information, it is better
This category is currently just a mess of content. I understand how it is an attempt to create a category containing video games with THEMES based on the genres of film and literature, but it still very insulting to what video game genres really are. For instance Western (genre) video games do not have their own article as their not their own thing, it isn't considered a genre and never will be, it did not originate in video games.
Some of the things in this category have still been cited as a genre to a degree, including entries with an article: horror game, Christian video game, and even science fiction video game (which I still won't ever consider genre despite having an article). But keep in mind that Buddhist, Halloween, Christmas, Wuxia or even Medical are rarely known as genres across any medium of media. Just think about it: Christmas film is a redirect to Christmas by medium - Christmas films are clearly a theme rather than a genre, this is because their just defined by a specific annual Christian celebration that they are about, rather than a style or set of the mood such as comedy or drama.
Please stop and think for a seconds or even minutes if you are willing to just go ahead, oppose this discussion, and then call it a day. It will break my heart if really do such as thing after all the time and effort I went through to write all this.
FINAL NOTE: The only real subcategories of this category which are genres that literarily originated in video games are: Category:Advergames Category:Art games Category:Educational video games (this is clearly distinct from educational TV programs, because it is interactive entertainment software designed to educate the users) QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose merger per my arguments from the previous discussion. Are you really sure about beating this same horse again after only 2 months? I still believe that there's an important difference between gameplay genres and story genres for video games. Instead of merging, why not just purge what you think are not proper genres from this category? AHI-3000 (talk) 06:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose merger The genre is much wider than a mere "theme". Dimadick (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The current system is not that great. But merging one into the other is not really a solution. Technically, "by theme" means "by feature" - a specific subject that appears in the game, while the word "narrative" means more like plot. The latter would be correct under Category:Fiction genres, which was once merged into "Literature genres". But "fiction genre" is not just about plot, but also about setting or/and visual style. For example, Category:Cyberpunk video games is not necessarily "narrative", but may just be visual theme and setting. "Western video game" is always about setting, but may also be about plot and visual theme. Whereas Category:Horror video games is always about plot and not visual theme or setting. So "narrative genre" should probably be changed to something else. Solidest (talk) 16:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:All articles with inline parenthetical referencing
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I propose renaming this category to match the new maintenance tag name, Template:Parenthetical referencing (the old name was Template:Inline parenthetical referencing). I tried to change the code to start placing the new category name, but was reverted, so I guess this needs to come to CFD. This will affect around 15 articles in the category. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This should not be a category because AEW roster is not permanent. Also, both List of All Elite Wrestling personnel and Template:All Elite Wrestling cover the current roster. A similar category was deleted in July 2024. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 14#Category:WWE wrestlers for the details. Mann Mann (talk) 08:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but expand to cover all past and present wrestlers. E.g. we have the category McDonald's people which covers everyone with an article who has ever worked for McDonald's. McPhail (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. A wrestling promotion =/= McDonald. Dozens of wrestlers and wrestling personalities have worked for AEW, and many of them just appeared in one match or dark matches. And don't forget cameo appearances. As I mentioned, the navbox and the list cover this topic. Plus List of former All Elite Wrestling personnel exists too. --Mann Mann (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, the McDonald's category contains people with a fulltime employment contract, that isn't a fair comparison. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Settlement of the pro-Japanese collaboration
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the best name for this category is; it's currently grammatically incorrect, and doesn't match parent category Category:Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan. seefooddiet (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I removed Category:History of North Korea as a parent of this category since all content is related to South Korea. And I removed article Lim Heon-yong from this category since there is nothing about settlement in this article. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Alta California before 1824
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:18th century in Alta California to Category:18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century establishments in Alta California to Category:18th-century establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s in Alta California to Category:1760s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s in Alta California to Category:1770s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s in Alta California to Category:1780s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s in Alta California to Category:1790s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s establishments in Alta California to Category:1760s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s in Alta California to Category:1770s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s in Alta California to Category:1780s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s establishments in Alta California to Category:1790s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:Years of the 18th century in Alta California to Category:Years of the 18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1800s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1800s establishments in Alta California to Category:1800s establishments in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s establishments in Alta California to Category:1810s establishments in Nueva California
- Nominator's rationale: rename, according to article Alta California, the province was called The/Las Californias until 1804 (and also contained Baja California) and was called Nueva California until 1824. Instead of The Californias as a rename target I would also be fine with Province of Las Californias, per article title Province of Las Californias. When there is no opposition I will add the year categories to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Akseki
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Akseki to Category:People from Antalya Province
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia administrator elections 2024 voter guides
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections#What should the page say on voting guides? closed with a consensus that voter guides should not be encouraged or advertised, this category is clearly contrary to that consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Acknowledging the existence of something is not the same as encouraging it and the close said nothing about "advertised". Since the whole purpose of a guide is that others read them, hiding them away would have the same effect as disallowing them – you've tried getting consensus for that, and it didn't happen. This category is a bare-minimum way of keeping track of what guides have been written, using the same pattern we've used for ArbCom elections for nearly two decades. – Joe (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Voter guides for arbcom have explicit community consensus for their existence and advertising, and other than being an election on en.wp bear almost no similarities to admin elections. Collating voter guides and advertising it on the talk page is very clearly encouraging them - contrary to the explicit consensus not to do that (for all the reasons explained in the discussion). Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep (ec) The somewhat thin consensus, among the small group organising this election, indeed concerned "What should the page say on voting guides?" - ie Wikipedia: Administrator elections. This category is not, and presumably will not be, mentioned on that page. Meanwhile the election has amazed everybody by attracting 35 candidates, raising different and urgent questions that were not anticipated. Some of the small group of organisers have been ready to adapt to this situation, and some have not. Johnbod (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been adapting in manner consistent with the RFC consensus, others have not. The existence of voter guides at all is not compatible with that consensus, but here we are. Thryduulf (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell the only mention of voter guides in the original RfC was a comment expressing concern that there'd be enough time to write them. – Joe (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Some have been adapting in manner consistent with the RFC consensus, others have not. The existence of voter guides at all is not compatible with that consensus, but here we are. Thryduulf (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I found this very useful. C F A 💬 16:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why is that relevant? Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Categorization is supposed to help navigation. Which is likely what the user found useful. Mason (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer the question of why it is relevant to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Categorization is supposed to help navigation. Which is likely what the user found useful. Mason (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why is that relevant? Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep regulatory overreach, strike the post at the relevant talk page if it offends. Draken Bowser (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- The question being asked in the discussion in question was limited to the text on the administration elections page. To have a greater scope, such as whether or not a category should exist, a broader consensus should be obtained from the community. isaacl (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. These are actually pretty useful, and ultimately to the extent that the guides themselves are allowed to exist, then it is hard to argue that their categorization can't exist? Aszx5000 (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the same closer's explanation later -
My sense is that the main election page may not link to them, but there's nothing stopping an editor from compiling a list of voter guides, or categorising them for organisation and discovery.
(emphasis mine). Also courtesy ping @ProcrastinatingReader: as said closer. Soni (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC) - Keep, a category could only be “advertising” to the gnomiest of wikignomes. There was consensus against banning or discouraging guides, so people should be allowed to find them if they want to. Toadspike [Talk] 21:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Personally, I'm not happy about how this worked out, but that doesn't matter for purposes of this discussion. We have now had a clarification from the editor who closed the discussion about guides (link), indicating that guides are permitted and can be discussed at places like candidate pages, so it makes sense to have a category for them. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In no sense can categorization reasonably be considered to be advertising. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I see no issue with them. The consensus linked to says they aren't encouraged or discouraged. This should mean they shouldn't be deleted. EggRoll97 (talk) 20:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw. I still think this falls too far on the side of encouraging them (and still think that neither encouraging nor discouraging is more lenient than we should be being towards them) but it is clear my view does not accord with consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 09:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People from Chataignier, Louisiana
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Athens, Louisiana
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Woodburn, Kentucky
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Article contains a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Walnut, Illinois
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Eastford, Connecticut
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. Eastford is in the middle of nowhere (population 1,649 in 2020) so this category has poor prospects for growth. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Private schools Northern Beaches Sydney
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category created by a private school, duplicates and doesn't improve on the existing categorisation scheme at Category:Private schools in Sydney and subcategories such as Category:Private secondary schools in Sydney. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- If merged also merge to Category:Northern Beaches, I do not see a reason to remove the articles from that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per rationale. 2024 is Underway (talk) 07:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Loxley, Alabama
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Loxley, Alabama to Category:People from Baldwin County, Alabama
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 18:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ancient Indian monarchies
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ancient Indian monarchies to Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India
- Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (changed vote per below)
Reverse merge: I would suggest the merging Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Ancient Indian monarchies instead as "Ancient Indian monarchies" is more concise.PadFoot (talk) 11:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure the page of Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India should be kept since that is the far older page. I do not have a strong opinion on whether or not to rename that page to Category:Ancient Indian monarchies. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I think it would be better if we can have a discussion regarding this whole thing at the main CfD. I've removed the articles from this category and added back Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India to the appropriate articles in this category. I've also changed my vote above. Can I place a speedy deletion template (db-author) in the page if that would be better? PadFoot (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008: thank you, that simplifies the situation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I think it would be better if we can have a discussion regarding this whole thing at the main CfD. I've removed the articles from this category and added back Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India to the appropriate articles in this category. I've also changed my vote above. Can I place a speedy deletion template (db-author) in the page if that would be better? PadFoot (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure the page of Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India should be kept since that is the far older page. I do not have a strong opinion on whether or not to rename that page to Category:Ancient Indian monarchies. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- As noted, this category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 19:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Songwriter unknown
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Songwriter unknown to Category:Songs with unknown songwriters
- Nominator's rationale: We name categories as noun phrases. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 05:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Middle kingdoms of India
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 20:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Middle kingdoms of India to Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India
- Nominator's rationale: merge, this is an out-of-process rename. The correct procedure is to nominate Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India for renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as a duplicate category under a weird name. The target is itself nominated at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Empires and kingdoms of foo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, it is not a weird name, see Middle kingdoms of India. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as a duplicate category under a weird name. The target is itself nominated at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Empires and kingdoms of foo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Keep: It is a more concise name, and has a different scope. It includes the post-Mauryan and pre-Sultanate era, and is not a duplicate category.PadFoot (talk) 11:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- It strongly overlaps and you have been moving articles from Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Middle kingdoms of India. If we keep both categories these articles should also be in both categories but I think this is too much duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've deleted the category per our discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Empires and kingdoms of foo. PadFoot (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- It strongly overlaps and you have been moving articles from Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Middle kingdoms of India. If we keep both categories these articles should also be in both categories but I think this is too much duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Water polo teams in Czechoslovakia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one page in here Mason (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Water polo in Czechoslovakia because the article is already in Category:National sports teams of Czechoslovakia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with me Mason (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Czechoslovak water polo people
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Czechoslovak water polo people to Category:Water polo in Czechoslovakia
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 03:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:3rd-century Vietnamese women
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:3rd-century Vietnamese women to Category:3rd-century Vietnamese people and Category:3rd-century women
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. isolated category Mason (talk) 03:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Online-only games
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining trait, mostly because it not executed properly (can you imagine all browser games that require WIFI in existence already?) it also heavily conflicts Category:Multiplayer online games which mostly contains games only having a multiplayer online mode QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why not merge and leave as a redirect? That would reduce the chances of this being created again. Mason (talk) 03:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Over the Hedge video games
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Entirely contained within Category:Over the Hedge. Either we have two categories with three entries or one with six. We do not need the entries in this category to be contained within both. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept we should probably merge rather than delete. Potential merge targets are Category:Video games based on comics, Category:Video games based on animated films, Category:Video games about raccoons, Category:Video games about reptiles, Category:Works about friendship and Category:Video games set in Indiana. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge? If so, merge targets?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)- Keep and purge Category:Over the Hedge of redundant entries. It helpfully diffuses a lot of categories, as Marcocapelle listed. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on QuietHere's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Purging the parent category, per QuietHere, is the other possible way forward. We should default to that if there isn't going to be clarity and consensus about merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Summer camps in fiction
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Fiction about summer camps to Category:Summer camps in fiction
- Propose merging Category:Summer camps in film to Category:Summer camps in fiction
- Propose merging Category:Video games set in summer camps to Category:Works set in summer camps
- Nominator's rationale: Category #1: Single-entry category that conflicts with its parent category. Category #2: Redundant category layer that only has a single subcategory. Category #3: Category containing only a single article. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Still retains the general idea of what we are trying to categorize. KConWiki (talk) 04:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)- Reverse merge the first one - the order is incorrect as the target is the newer category and the one with the improper name. Merge the second one to Category:Fiction about summer camps for similar reasons. Oppose the last one, I have populated the category enough for it to remain (largely from the TVTropes list). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternative by Zxcvbnm, "fiction about foo" is more clearly a defining characteristic than "foo in fiction". Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to Category:Fiction about summer camps per Zxcvbnm. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Summer camps in fiction.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)- Oppose 3 per Zxcvbnm (I also added more entries to the category). Support the other two. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am having seafood tonight. I didn't tag the category. Apologies. I will tag Category:Summer camps in fiction, for real this time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)- Reply to QuietHere: Oppose what? I believe you're referring to all 3 categories except Category:Video games set in summer camps, not just all 3 of them. ::QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- 3 meaning the third nomination, Video games set in summer camps into Works set in summer camps. I oppose that merger because the category has a sufficient number of entries now. I support the other two nominations. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah ok, the rationale for merging the third category is no longer valid. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- 3 meaning the third nomination, Video games set in summer camps into Works set in summer camps. I oppose that merger because the category has a sufficient number of entries now. I support the other two nominations. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reply to QuietHere: Oppose what? I believe you're referring to all 3 categories except Category:Video games set in summer camps, not just all 3 of them. ::QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Comedy directors
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:American comedy film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British comedy film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian comedy film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Parody film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Comedy film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (Added subsequent to initial creation of CfD)
- Nominator's rationale: While we're talking about directors versus actors, I feel the same principles as those outlined in WP:PERFCAT, and which resulted in the deletion of multiple "comedy actors" categories[1] may apply here. DonIago (talk) 14:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose American comedy film directors & British comedy film directors, which diffuse American film directors & British film directors, respectively. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose any that facilitate diffusion ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- If these need to go, then the parent Category:Comedy film directors (which you haven't tagged as part of this) also needs to go. I'm not wedded to the need for it, but there's absolutely no argument to be had that the parent is fine and only the subcategories are a problem: if it's fine, then subcategories for countries with a large enough number of entries are automatically fair game under it, and there can be absolutely no serious argument that only the subcategories are a problem if the parent isn't. There additionally can't be any serious argument that the US and the UK should get subcategories but Canada shouldn't, either — national subcategories aren't applied on any basis more refined or subjective than "has enough entries to support one", so there can't be a serious argument that American and British directors should get subcategories while Canadian ones shouldn't. So either we need to delete the parent category as well, or they all have to stay. Bearcat (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- With all due respect, I don't see any suggestion here that I might have simply overlooked the existence of some categories that should be included here. You're welcome to add those in if you feel they should be part of the conversation. Please assume good faith. Do you have an argument other than, "Why are some categories included but related categories missing?" DonIago (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- With all due respect, the non-inclusion of directly related categories that are subject to the same issues as the included categories is a relevant and germane point in a CFD discussion. There's simply no reason why these should all be deleted at the same time as the parent Category:Comedy film directors being kept — if the parent is acceptable, then national subcategories for countries with a large-enough number of entries for them are inherently acceptable as well, and if the national subcategories aren't warranted then the parent category isn't warranted either — and any person in any of these categories could simply be readded to the parent category at will by any editor at any time, which would inevitably be followed by these categories getting recreated because the parent category had become large enough to need diffusion into subcategories again (which is the reason why these even exist in the first place: because the parent category existed and needed diffusion). So my point stands, and I will brook no further clapback about it — it's not my job to add related categories to this discussion, it's your job to either add the related category or explain why you think it's different. Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- How very collaborative of you. I'll add the additional categories shortly. DonIago (talk) 16:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- With all due respect, the non-inclusion of directly related categories that are subject to the same issues as the included categories is a relevant and germane point in a CFD discussion. There's simply no reason why these should all be deleted at the same time as the parent Category:Comedy film directors being kept — if the parent is acceptable, then national subcategories for countries with a large-enough number of entries for them are inherently acceptable as well, and if the national subcategories aren't warranted then the parent category isn't warranted either — and any person in any of these categories could simply be readded to the parent category at will by any editor at any time, which would inevitably be followed by these categories getting recreated because the parent category had become large enough to need diffusion into subcategories again (which is the reason why these even exist in the first place: because the parent category existed and needed diffusion). So my point stands, and I will brook no further clapback about it — it's not my job to add related categories to this discussion, it's your job to either add the related category or explain why you think it's different. Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- With all due respect, I don't see any suggestion here that I might have simply overlooked the existence of some categories that should be included here. You're welcome to add those in if you feel they should be part of the conversation. Please assume good faith. Do you have an argument other than, "Why are some categories included but related categories missing?" DonIago (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, WP:PERFCAT is about specific shows in which subjects participate. That is quite different than genre, which we are discussing here. Frankly I think diffusion by genre is more relevant than by location (which is also being done in this tree, at least in the US). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I'm not sure I see the practical difference, in this case, regarding whether we're talking about categorizing actors by genre versus categorizing directors by genre? I realize categories are generally inclusive rather than exclusive (i.e. just because a director directed comedies and is categorized as such doesn't mean they didn't also direct in other film genres), but the same could be said about the actor categories as well. TL;DR why would "actors by genre" be bad but "directors by genre" not be bad? You say that PERFCAT is about specific shows, but in the CfD that I linked to the consensus appears to have been that genre does constitute a type of performance. I'm also, as I was with the prior CfD, concerned that we risk opening the door to creating multiple additional "Director by genre"-style categories. Is it really a defining characteristic in most cases (I'm genuinely asking here; my instinct is that most directors have directed films from various genres, but maybe I'm wrong)? ETA: I do see that we do have "Film directors by genre"...I'm going to keep the scope of this limited rather than make it all-inclusive at this time, as a test case. DonIago (talk) 18:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We are now discussing all categories. Thoughts on the merits of the proposal would be appreciated :)
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Relisting comment: See above relisting comment
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Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed sexuality
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: A newly created category that is a violation of the last paragraph of WP:CATLGBT, as well as inevitably leading to WP:NPOV and WP:NOTADVOCACY violations.
CATLGBT states, Categories that make allegations about sexuality—such as "closeted homosexuals" or "people suspected of being gay"—are not acceptable under any circumstances. If such a category is created, it should be immediately depopulated and deleted. Community consensus is clearly against such categories. The existence of this category is an invitation for people to use it to claim as many historical figures as 'maybe homosexual' as possible. It will be a magnet for OR, undue and fringe. A category that's very basis is that something about it's members is disputed cannot be defining. Golikom (talk) 01:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think given the distinction between historical figures and BLP at least makes OP's critique problematic and the policy worth rethinking. However, I still have rather significant reservations about these categories as formulated at present—they seem overbroad and non-defining to a degree I feel is untenable. Remsense ‥ 论 01:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator of this category, I understand the present complaints, and I have been careful to only apply this category to articles which discuss historical interpretations of a subject's sexuality to some considerable length. I think any article with a well-cited subsection or even separate article discussing theories surrounding a subject's sexuality would be worth considering in this category, but I fully understand how the category in it's current design and application could easily be overapplied and misappropriated. I don't believe the solution is deletion, rather it should be stricter enforcement of some standards to define terms like "ambiguous" and "disputed" and how those are separate from "fringe theories." I don't think the LGBT issue should apply here since, like you said, the category does not apply to BLP articles. However, the rule and it's current wording may need to be reassessed to be more specific. It's also worth considering that Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity barely survived a deletion request for similar reasons. Rylee Amelia (talk) 02:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete. But you're not the only person who will use the category. This category is going to be a mess to maintain. Mason (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The temptation to speculate about the sexual orientation of historical figures leads people to suppose that that speculation is OK in an encyclopedia. But looking at, for example, Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln, what I see is that the lead section decisively dismisses the speculation:
Mainstream historians generally hold that Lincoln was heterosexual, noting that the historical context explains any of the supposed evidence.
- Then the remainder of the article, which is well beyond the stub level, discusses various theories that are fringe, or discredited, or whatever.
- I realize that for some historical figures, the discussion of their sexuality has risen above fringe level. But from this example, one can see that there is a strong tendency to promote "was he gay or wasn't he" to encyclopedia level just for the pleasure of idol-smashing. Bruce leverett (talk) 16:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- As the creator of this category, I understand the present complaints, and I have been careful to only apply this category to articles which discuss historical interpretations of a subject's sexuality to some considerable length. I think any article with a well-cited subsection or even separate article discussing theories surrounding a subject's sexuality would be worth considering in this category, but I fully understand how the category in it's current design and application could easily be overapplied and misappropriated. I don't believe the solution is deletion, rather it should be stricter enforcement of some standards to define terms like "ambiguous" and "disputed" and how those are separate from "fringe theories." I don't think the LGBT issue should apply here since, like you said, the category does not apply to BLP articles. However, the rule and it's current wording may need to be reassessed to be more specific. It's also worth considering that Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity barely survived a deletion request for similar reasons. Rylee Amelia (talk) 02:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Consistent with long-term existence of Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity. This category fills a conspicuous void. Where an article contains a well-cited discussion of the subject's sexuality (Edward II of England § Piers Gaveston and sexuality, Sappho § Sexuality) or there is enough weight in reliable sources for an entire sub-article (Sexuality of James VI and I), it is a disservice to the reader not to have that content reflected in the category structure to aid finding similar articles. This absolutely is defining (per WP:CATDEF) in that it is an aspect of these subjects that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to. I don't see any particular great difficulty in applying it. An article with a substantial, well-sourced subsection (or sub-article) discussing disputes or ambiguity over the article's sexuality is clearly in scope. We don't get rid of Category:Mountains just because every hill could be argued to be a mountain. WP:CATLGBT should be updated as proposed here to remove its pejorative language and limit its application to BLPs.--Trystan (talk) 02:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- If this is deleted so should Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity. The rationale behind keeping/deleting both are the same. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. That category doesn't specify if one is gay/lesbian or bisexual, or another sexuality. Also, currently only the notable cases are in it, many of which "suspected" or "closeted" don't apply because most of them publicly lived this way without such words being coined. But I could argue that some articles within it overlap with Category:Sexuality of individuals. Web-julio (talk) 03:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Another comment: doesn't the term ambiguous sexuality have another meaning? At least "sexually ambiguous" technically meant bisexual/asexual, androgynous/gnc/n-b, or intersex in the past. I think we can use synonyms, such as questionable, or dubious. Web-julio (talk) 05:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is a borderline defining characteristic. A list may be better than a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The distinction between historical figures and BLP is relevant only to the first paragraph of WP:CATLGBT. Anyway, the last paragraph says this:
Categories that make allegations about sexuality—such as "closeted homosexuals" or "people suspected of being gay"—are not acceptable under any circumstances. If such a category is created, it should be immediately depopulated and deleted. Note that as similar categories of this type have actually been attempted in the past, they may be speedily deleted (as a G4) and do not require another debate at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
- Why is this not applicable? Why shouldn't I just speedily delete? Why is this discussion going on anyway, and why am I even in it? Bruce leverett (talk) 14:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- That guidance dates from an era when there was a much thinner consensus for any categories for LGBTQ people at all. I don't think it is overkill to have a discussion on the merits every couple decades or so (though participation is of course not mandatory). Given that there was no consensus three years ago to delete Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity, there is a significant question whether a broad interpretation of CATLGBT to long-dead figures still accurately reflects consensus.--Trystan (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- The guidance actually dates from 2009. I have not found, and don't know where to look for, discussions that led to that guidance being added, or subsequent discussions of it on its merits. If you are claiming that it is outdated, the burden of proof is on you.
- Just looking at the population of the "disputed gender identity" category and this "disputed sexuality" category suggests that they are not closely comparable. For example, disputed gender identity was certainly defining for James Barry (surgeon); as pointed out in the early discussion of that category, it was a major contributor to his notability. But the "disputed sexuality" category is full of celebrities: Joan of Arc, Edward II, Leonardo da Vinci, Frederick the Great, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Alberto Santos-Dumont, J. Edgar Hoover, Adolf Hitler. Ambiguous/disputed sexuality is defining for all these worthies? For any of them? Bruce leverett (talk) 01:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That guidance dates from an era when there was a much thinner consensus for any categories for LGBTQ people at all. I don't think it is overkill to have a discussion on the merits every couple decades or so (though participation is of course not mandatory). Given that there was no consensus three years ago to delete Category:Historical figures with ambiguous or disputed gender identity, there is a significant question whether a broad interpretation of CATLGBT to long-dead figures still accurately reflects consensus.--Trystan (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with Trystan, this fills a void in the category system. Dimadick (talk) 12:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:French troubadours
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:French troubadours to Category:Troubadours from France
- Category:12th-century French troubadours to Category:12th-century troubadours from France
- Category:13th-century French troubadours to Category:13th-century troubadours from France
- Category:14th-century French troubadours to Category:14th-century troubadours from France
- Category:Spanish troubadours to Category:Troubadours from Spain
- Category:12th-century Spanish troubadours to Category:12th-century troubadours from Spain
- Category:13th-century Spanish troubadours to Category:13th-century troubadours from Spain
- Category:14th-century Spanish troubadours to Category:14th-century troubadours from Spain
- Category:Italian troubadours to Category:Troubadours from Italy
- Category:12th-century Italian troubadours to Category:12th-century troubadours from Italy
- Category:13th-century Italian troubadours to Category:13th-century troubadours from Italy
- Nominator's rationale: The troubadours wrote in Occitan, not French (or Spanish or Italian). They are defined by the language they used. The current category names are confusing. The equivalent of a troubadour writing in French is a trouvère. The problem is the ambiguity of the terms "French", "Spanish" and "Italian". It is absolutely non-obvious that they are non-linguistic terms in cases like this where they modify a literary term like "troubadour". Srnec (talk) 01:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think that its non-obvious that these are nationalities. The norm for FOOian occupation is nationality, not language. I think that it would be better to create a language tree. French-language troubadours etc. or Category:12th-century French-language troubadours or something to that effect. And, frankly, I'd rather not have to rewrite the brand new {{Troubadours by nationality and century category header}} Mason (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are no French-language troubadours. Srnec (talk) 03:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- You know what the point I'm trying to make is. There are traveling poets etc in different languages. There's a category called Galician-Portuguese troubadours, that describes both the language and the occupation. That could be a full tree. Mason (talk) 23:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are no French-language troubadours. Srnec (talk) 03:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think that its non-obvious that these are nationalities. The norm for FOOian occupation is nationality, not language. I think that it would be better to create a language tree. French-language troubadours etc. or Category:12th-century French-language troubadours or something to that effect. And, frankly, I'd rather not have to rewrite the brand new {{Troubadours by nationality and century category header}} Mason (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, a troubadour wrote in Occitan, so obviously these must be nationality categories, there is no ambiguity about that. One might argue that it is a trivial intersection but a rename does not solve that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Criminals from Fort Lauderdale, Florida
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category. There's no need to diffuse by city. I'm also ok with deletion. Mason (talk) 00:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
October 18
[edit]Category:People by republican city or municipality in Latvia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: rename, according to Administrative divisions of Latvia the correct name is state city. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Reformed Christianity
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by century to Category:Reformed Christians by century
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by denomination to Category:Reformed Christians by denomination
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by nationality to Category:Reformed Christians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed anti-apartheid activists to Category:Reformed anti-apartheid activists
- Propose renaming Category:Converts to Calvinism to Category:Converts to Reformed Christianity
- Propose renaming Category:Former Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Former Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:LGBTQ Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed religious workers to Category:Reformed religious workers
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christian socialists to Category:Reformed Christian socialists
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist organizations to Category:Reformed organizations
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist theology to Category:Reformed theology
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by nationality to Category:Reformed theologians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by century to Category:Reformed theologians by century
- Propose renaming Category:American Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:American Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Belgian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Canadian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Dutch Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:English Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:English Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:French Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:French Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:German Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:German Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Irish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Irish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Italian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Italian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Scottish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Scottish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:South African Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:South African Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Swiss Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Swiss Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Welsh Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Welsh Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:16th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:17th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:18th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:19th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:20th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:21st-century Reformed theologians
- Nominator's rationale: Now that the main article has been moved to the correct title, these categories should also be moved according to the C2D criteria ('Consistency with the main article's name'). --Humpser (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom. I do not know if it should be Reformed or reformed though. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of concert tours
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Lists of concert tours to Category:Lists of concerts and performances
- Nominator's rationale: Both categories seem to perform the same function... both categories have the same type of content, both categories are a mix of "List of X concerts and performances", some "List of X concerts tours", some "List of X live performances"... all the same content with just different wording for the article titles.When merging, I would also propose moving the following subcat so it is consistent with existing subcats in the destination cat:
Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists → Category:Lists of concerts and performances of South Korean artists RachelTensions (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- @RachelTensions: do you mean merging Category:Lists of concerts and performances only to Category:Lists of concert tours? Merging the category to itself is probably not your intention. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes thank you, fixed. RachelTensions (talk) 18:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Speedrunning communities
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Speedrunning communities to Category:Speedrunning
- Nominator's rationale: This isn't because the category's small, but because it isn't being 100% clear with the definition of community and besides, just looks a like small yet unorganized mess. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, at most TheSpeedGamers might be called a community but even that is doubtful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Hartshead
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Hartshead to Category:People from Kirklees (district)
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation as contains only a single article. Merge to larger parent. AusLondonder (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Hamstall Ridware
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Hamstall Ridware to Category:People from Lichfield District
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation as contains only a single article. Merge to larger parent. AusLondonder (talk) 00:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Doveridge
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Doveridge to Category:People from Derbyshire Dales (district)
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation as contains only a single article. Merge to larger parent. AusLondonder (talk) 00:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Only 1 entry. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 08:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I couldn't find any others. Perspicax (talk) 09:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:2028 United States Senate elections
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Created too soon, a category full of 34 redirects to the same page. Unhelpful for readers. AusLondonder (talk) 00:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- This again? I don't see how deletion is any better for our readers, but whatever. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- How is keeping a category of 34 redirects to the same page helpful for our readers? AusLondonder (talk) 10:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this is too premature. By all means recreate when there are at least a handful real articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mosques of Leicestershire
[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Mosques of Leicestershire to Category:Mosques in Leicestershire
- Also propose renaming Category:Mosques of Lincolnshire to Category:Mosques in Lincolnshire
- Nominator's rationale: Compatibility with Category:Mosques in England and Category:Churches in Leicestershire, etc. PamD 10:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would support upmerging Category:Mosques of Leicestershire to Category:Mosques in England as it contains a single article which is also already categorised in the mosques of England category. AusLondonder (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support merging/deleting this category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- It now has two entries, and given the diverse population of Leicester I expect there may be many more to be created - and we have an editor who is creating a lot of mosque articles. PamD 07:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support merging/deleting this category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge Category:Mosques of Leicestershire? I am not seeing objections to renaming if kept.
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October 17
[edit]Category:Esports techniques
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Esports techniques to Category:Video game techniques and strategies
- Nominator's rationale: This rename will make this category more broad, the Russian Wikipedia ironically already goes for more board scope as opposed to targeting esports specifically. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but by all means create a parent category Category:Video game techniques and strategies and populate it. There is no reason specified why we would remove the articles in this category from the tree of Category:Esports. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I removed the sitelink to the Russian Wikipedia from this page. Also I used the targeted name "Video game techniques and strategies" instead of "Video game techniques" due to the conflict with techniques and strategies being different. Though, yeah you're right, don't rename
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:User-specific file copyright templates
[edit]- Propose merging Category:User-specific file copyright templates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:User custom license tags
- Nominator's rationale: Single-member category for an unused userspace template. Merge it to Category:User custom license tags. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra — talk — c 20:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:World Series at Yankee Stadium
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. All of the articles are already in the appropriate subcategories so merging is not necessary. User:Namiba 18:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging User:Carguychris, User:Marcocapelle, User:Smasongarrison and User:RevelationDirect who commented on the Events at Yankee Stadium discussion as this is directly related.--User:Namiba 18:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: This category is justifiable from the considerable amount of coverage noting how many World Series are at Yankee Stadium (esp. the 1923-2009 one). It may not be a justifiable category for other baseball stadiums but it is for this one. pbp 18:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OCVENUE does not make an exception for the amount of coverage. This information is better presented as prose in the articles about the stadiums and the team. Carguychris (talk) 14:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Additionally, there are two Yankee Stadiums—the present one and the historical one—and the category confusingly doesn't differentiate between them. Carguychris (talk) 14:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 14:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe music
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: C2D: Consistency with Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Seems reasonable.★Trekker (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This category is superfluous. If you're a member, you're a knight, and vice versa. M.O.X (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Downmerge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- ’’’Oppose’’’ The Order consists of both knights, nuns and laywomen, several of whom are listed under this category. (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel the Monk (talk • contribs) 14:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Daniel the Monk's objection?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 12:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point, there are also dames next to knights. So there are two solutions: reverse merge, or split between knights and dames. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)- I support a reverse merge. M.O.X (talk) 03:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.
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Category:Botswana constituencies in Selebi-Phikwe
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: There is no parent category for Selebi-Phikwe, so this is not a useful subcat of the district parent. – Fayenatic London 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Or else (second choice) rename and reparent to Category:Selebi-Phikwe and add the eponymous article and BCL Limited to it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Elk and red deer
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Elk and red deer to Category:Cervus
- Nominator's rationale: This conflates two Cervus species. Splitting them as suggested at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_9#Category:Elk_and_red_deer could be confusing, as sub-species Kansu red deer and Tibetan red deer are Cervus canadensis (elk) rather than Cervus elaphus (red deer). Central Asian red deer may also be a separate species (its 3 subspecies also have articles), but there does not seem to be scientific consensus on that yet. Upmerging as suggested by the previous CFD closer Debresser may be best. – Fayenatic London 11:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as per nom. No need for this category per discussion. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Prohibition-era gangsters
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Depression-era gangsters to Category:Depression-era gangsters
- Nominator's rationale: These are really overlapping categories. Does anyone have ideas for how to make these two categories more distinct, or perhaps combine them? For the record. Prohibition in the united states was from Jan 17, 1920 – Dec 5, 1933, whereas the great depression was from 1929 to 1939ish. Mason (talk) 02:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- comment Merging in this way does not seem to be the answer, as it is not true that all Category:Depression-era gangsters also were active in the Depression era. Perhaps, someone can make a count of the actual overlap of articles, not just the time period overlaps. thanks Hmains (talk) 02:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is only four years of overlap but both are very short periods to categorize people by. So I support the merge in principle but then it should probably become Category:Gangsters of the interwar period. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't "interwar" lose the implication of "American" that both "Prohibition" and "Depression" have? Maybe it should be Category:American gangsters of the interwar period. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, you are completely right. The same thing also applies to the current Category:Depression-era gangsters. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Prohibition and Great Depression gangsters? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Then at least it should become Category:Prohibition-era and American Great Depression-era gangsters or Category:American Prohibition-era and Great Depression-era gangsters, but Category:American gangsters of the interwar period is a lot shorter. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Prohibition and Great Depression gangsters? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, you are completely right. The same thing also applies to the current Category:Depression-era gangsters. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: What category was originally nominated? It is currently listed as attempting to merge the (untagged) Category:Depression-era gangsters into itself. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Prohibition-era gangsters was nominated first. My apologies i must have mangled it when I added the 2nd category Mason (talk) 02:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't "interwar" lose the implication of "American" that both "Prohibition" and "Depression" have? Maybe it should be Category:American gangsters of the interwar period. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Depression-era gangsters. Consensus seems to favor merging that and Category:Prohibition-era gangsters into a new category; what should that category be called?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)- I don't hate Category:American gangsters of the interwar period. And think it does a good job of covering the defining features. I think we'll need a category description to help contextualize the category. Mason (talk) 19:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ugandan dermatologists
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Ugandan dermatologists to Category:Ugandan physicians
- Propose merging Category:Ugandan rheumatologists to Category:Ugandan physicians
- Propose merging Category:Ugandan radiologists to Category:Ugandan physicians
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry LibStar (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to e.g. Category:Dermatologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate reality
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Way too vague of a category. I can manipulate reality just by picking up a piece of paper, since the paper is part of reality and I'm changing it. I suggest upmerging its more specific subcategories, however, this deletion does not imply deleting those too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agree on the category's vagueness. When deleted, then at least the subcategories should be moved to Category:Fictional superhumans by ability. Not sure what to do with the articles though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- They should likely just be removed from the category if it's deleted. In a lot of cases they may or may not belong in it anyway. For example, Elizabeth from Bioshock - does she "change" reality or just teleport objects from other realities? Such powers are hard to quantify, and can just lead to misinforming readers if people attempt to do so. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- They should likely just be removed from the category if it's deleted. In a lot of cases they may or may not belong in it anyway. For example, Elizabeth from Bioshock - does she "change" reality or just teleport objects from other realities? Such powers are hard to quantify, and can just lead to misinforming readers if people attempt to do so. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This sounds like it's meant to be for characters covered by TV Tropes' "Reality Warper" item, but the description is incredibly vague and full of technobabble:
–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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