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No notability. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elijah have you tagged the wrong article? I'm currently watching a live stream about this with 55K viewers and tons of news article now and to come. Regardless, let's wait for the situation to end first before determining notability. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 01:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now a video from Fox on YouTube has over 200,000 views. I'm sure more info will be released dude just give it a few days Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plus it's a mass shooting since as we know 4 are injured, why would we delete a mass shooting without all the info. Jjbomb (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it's literately a loose shooter situation how is this not notable 2601:902:8000:96C0:10EB:E971:D89B:8A13 (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Incident still under investigation, and while deleting the article over no deaths or it being a "small incident" is somewhat reasonable, it's still on national news and currently under investigation on injuries, and the search of suspect; whether if he's alive or not. If the news start to die down, then probably yes delete. WikiinstA2001 (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's not even a day old, your deleting an article with information still coming out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloxzge 025 (talk • contribs)
Keep Why would you want to delete a article about a mass shooting that injured 4, 2 days after a highschool shooting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjbomb (talk • contribs)
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Speedy keep Literally just happened of course nothing is known yet --Chicken4War (talk) 02:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per above, national news coverage, also just happened.Thief-River-Faller (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The shooting happened very recently, more information will come out. Koiramainen (talk) 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I believe this article was a bit premature. That said, this is currently making national news. ( A B C D E F) Will let others determine if it is notable enough or not. --Super Goku V (talk) 02:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Super Goku V: there is literally an entire WikiProject dedicated to current events. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 10:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see how that matters, especially when this was the state of the article when nominated. A single sentence article with three references and an infobox. ElijahPepe was correct to submit this for review. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe he was at the time; but it is no longer a stub. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough that the article is no longer a stub. But I still don't get the point of your comments to me (or the others) in this discussion. I noted the article was premature in my viewpoint and that it was making national news a few days ago. I agree with ElijahPepe submitting this. But I said that I will let others determine its notability. Are you trying to encourage me to change my opinion? --Super Goku V (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The shooting only happened today and the article will be expanded in the future. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Events are in a weird position where making them too early can be crystal balling, but nominating them for deletion too early is also crystal balling. However from my experience in this topic area this one seems relatively unusual in several regards, the type of things that garner long term coverage, so I would be willing to bet it is notable (wouldn't bet my life on it). In either case short of banning breaking news articles this will never be solved, and this article which may be notable is only a microcosm of the issue. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No fatalities, just another routine shooting in the USA. WWGB (talk) 03:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Routine shooting, I don't see lasting coverage arising from this. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Interstate 75 in Kentucky and Laurel County, Kentucky history section; redirect to the List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 after merger; though it should be renamed 2024 Interstate 75 Kentucky shooting first, before merger and redirection. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Only more notable than another shooting along an Interstate this week because of it happening so soon after a much higher-profile incident. Raskuly (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Mass shootings are common in the US every day. Articles here are created only for the major ones. Gianluigi02 (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Made news, has sigcov. We should have an article on it. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything notable about this incident other than the fact it happened after a high-profile active shooting incident and it was described as an "active-shooter" situation? If this had happened before that I doubt it would've received nearly as much coverage. Should shooting incidents in the United States have articles made about them simply because they followed a much more high profile incident even if nothing about them in particular is notable on their own? Raskuly (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that there is a big manhunt and that it’s all over the national news. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Has made international news and ongoing search for perpetrator. Autarch (talk) 15:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Extremely extensive ongoing national coverage, including, e.g., in the New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/07/us/shooting-kentucky-highway.html

Seems to be obviously a notable national story, surprised we are even having this discussion 2603:7081:1300:AB21:34A2:3CFB:3DAB:5482 (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep – it is a very notable especially for eastern Kentucky where this kind of stuff doesn’t happen. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mass shootings are always at least regionally notable. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll add that it’s all over national outlets such as NewsNation. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well yeah, every mass shooting is going to be notable. Does that mean that every single one needs an article, no! There have been several shootings in the counties round me, I've heard of every one, but they don't deserve articles. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 21:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also seen it here on Canadian news. Koiramainen (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

same. CTV news has an article Bloxzge 025 (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even more evidence that it needs to be kept. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again @Sir MemeGod; we’re not talking about a major metropolitan area; we are talking about rural Eastern Kentucky where this kind of stuff is practically unheard of. Such an incident is far more likely to be nationally and even internationally notable when it happens in small towns that typically don’t see violent crime; compared to major cities (eg. New York, Chicago, etc.) And (as other editors have confirmed) this is not only getting widespread local coverage (WYMT has been breaking into programming numerous times); and widespread national coverage; but this has literally been circulated by newspapers and television stations worldwide as breaking news. It has been reported by outlets in Canada, the UK, and Ireland, and likely others. So yes, it is highly notable and I’m surprised we’re having this deletion discussion right now. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Merge: No casualities per above

QalasQalas (talk) 01:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There has also been shootings with no fatalities with Wikipedia articles, so no fatalities is a bad reason Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. By definition, all sources writing about this incident are primary sources, since they date from the time of the event. Wait until authors have started publishing secondary sources, which discuss the event by reviewing the primary sources from a time well into the future. Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I MIGHT (maybe might) be okay with merging this into a history of I-75 or Laurel County article. But news organizations all over the world are publishing articles about this. That to me sounds like secondary sources to me. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I’m no expert but CTV News (a Canadian television network) isn’t going to have reporters hundreds of miles away in Kentucky, which by the way isn’t even in Canada); so CTV definitely isn’t a primary source. Your primary sources are going to be number 1 the Laurel County Sheriffs Department; and number 2; local news media (eg. WYMT; WKYT; etc.); and maybe national sources within the United States. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if you don’t believe what I’m saying: go to https://www.ctvnews.ca and go on that website’s search bar and just search “Kentucky” onto it and you’ll see several stories relating to the shooting. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/suspect-in-i-75-shootings-eludes-law-enforcement-for-a-second-night-in-rural-kentucky-1.7029547 Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus; with the manhunt still underway, it is still to a certain extent considered a current event. Which means that information can change rapidly over short periods of time. While I am NOT a member of WP:CURRENTEVENTS; I do know their policy of requesting deletion discussions, and PROD tags, and speedy tags to not be started for a few hours (after creation) until more information comes. I do understand however that we are beyond that timeframe technically. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to add United Kingdom sources reporting on the event also: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/08/kentucky-police-say-multiple-people-shot-in-active-shooter-situation as well as RTE in Ireland: https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0908/1468951-us-shooting-kentucky/ Thief-River-Faller (talk) 19:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That just adds more reason to speedily keep this article. It shouldn’t have even been nominated in the first place. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for all who want this to be kept: Since now we’ve got sources in Canada; the United Kingdom; and Ireland reporting on this. I’d say anyone who is strongly in favor of keeping should look for additional sources outside of the United States (eg. 7News and Nine News in Australia; BBC News and Sky News in the UK; CBC News in Canada; i24 News in Israel; etc. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is essentially a modern day Shot heard around the world. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another comment: as soon as this deletion discussion is closed (presuming it’s kept); I want this nominated for ITN. Because it’s all over the news; as I said earlier, it’s essentially the Shot heard round the world (only 2024 style). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll further add that according to the sources listed in the reference section; now apparently Dutch media is reporting on this now. And the BBC is too. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 09:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I was initially in favor of deletion, but due to how this has not been resolved due to the still ongoing manhunt, I believe I was being much too brisk in voting for deletion. It is uncommon for an active shooter to not be apprehended or found for so long, even though there is the possibility the perpetrator has been lying dead somewhere since day one. This multi-day manhunt and the subsequent international reporting on the issue has warranted an article. Raskuly (talk) 21:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's not inherently notable every time someone uses a weapon. It's something that appeared in the news for a while, that's not notability. Revisit if it receives sustained coverage after the legal aspects have been resolved. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @Thebiguglyalien: you might as well change your !vote now. Because it will very likely receive sustained coverage at least nationally during the case; and probably locally after the case (because again something like this is a big deal for Eastern Kentucky). This is the kind of event you’ll probably hear about on Dateline and a bunch of other true crime shows.

What I think you all (talking to everyone on this) don’t understand is that this is a shooting that happened in a very rural part of Kentucky; a very rural part of the United States. This didn’t happen in Lexington; this didn’t happen in Louisville; this didn’t happen in Columbus; or Knoxville; or any other major city, where this kind of stuff is not unheard of. This happened in London, Kentucky which is part of the Eastern Mountain Coal Fields region. Even look at the article’s talk page. I have the Eastern Mountain Coal Fields task force listed as one of the supporters (and no, I’m not a member of said task force).

Let me ask every one of you this: has there ever been a mass shooting, where the shooter was randomly shooting at vehicles along a busy interstate, in Appalachia? Has there ever been a similar incident to this in Appalachia? If there has, I don’t know about it.

Mini rant over. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 09:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that come across poorly in any way; I do apologize. I’m just trying to make a point on why this is notable.

In my main Wikiproject; I learned that in general, events like this are often supposed to meet WP: LASTING. Now the folks that told me that were mainly referring to weather events; but I know that it does apply for a bunch of things.

This event will very likely meet WP: LASTING; just like the shooting of those police officers in Floyd County two years ago. The Allen, KY shooting resulted in at least proposed legislation (I don’t know whether or not it passed) to deter similar incidents. I would not be surprised if at there ends up being some kind of legislation proposed by at least the Kentucky General Assembly; if not by Congress itself. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 10:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But for everyone who is favoring deletion based on notability (or the presumed lack thereof; please read this.

It is too early to determine long term notability. You know what? Maybe a few years from now, it might end up turning out to be non-notable. And if that is the case; we open another deletion discussion.

But it is way too early to make that determination of it not being notable. Especially when sources all over the world are reporting on this. Let’s wait a week or two (at least) and then reassess notability. If there isn’t at least significant local coverage by then; then I might be in favor of merging the article into the history section of Laurel County and/or Interstate 75 in Kentucky. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 10:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I’ve said my piece. I’ve said all that needs to be said. I’m going to back away from this discussion now; because it is in my best interest. I don’t particularly want to end up getting in trouble. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 10:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work Bloxzge 025 (talk) 12:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. This event seems notable since it has made international headlines and the search for the perpetrator is ongoing. Galaxybeing (talk) 13:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to keep this up. I just saw yet another headline on this story on the front page of my (international) news home page and I went to wikipedia to find more info/background on it. It would be very strange to not find a page for it here. Especially with the weird oddities surrounding this story. Surfliner (talk) 16:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is still the top story on | NewsNation. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: While mass shootings are common in the U.S., this one stands out for several reasons: A shooter targeting random cars on a highway from the side of the road (very unusual), mass shootings are less frequent in Kentucky, it received national and international coverage, and the manhunt for the suspect is still ongoing. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the only reason this is in the news so much is because the perpetrator is at large, unless he somehow evades police for months it is not notable. Run of the mill news event with no reason to belief it will satisfy NEVENT and not just end up as a neglected event and article that is sourced to primary sources. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Traumnovelle, with all due respect; we don’t typically see manhunts with mass shooters (they typically kill themselves after perpetuating the shooting) Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And how is this “run of the mill”? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of mass shootings involve the perpetrator getting away, but I guess it doesn't make news headlines when it is a bunch of black people from the slums. We even have a category for this. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we typically don’t see mass shootings involving people shooting at random cars on the interstate; much less random cars on the interstate in a rural place like Eastern Kentucky. If you still think it should be deleted; I respect your opinion, but just know that my opinion is strongly in favor of keeping and you’re probably not going to be able to change it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And also know that if this does get deleted; it’s very likely going to be appealed and you’re looking at the person who’ll probably be posting the appeal. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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