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Hello again, somebody with a name I can't remember because they choose not to display it in their signature, and welcome back to the Teahouse. What do you mean by "use an example person"? Which article? ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
He downloaded a torrent and seeded it until 2.000. Donavan the day after, used the P2P system to take the seed from JOE. (That was terrible on my part.) =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 14:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello again. It's hard to see how that could possibly be "summarizing what the reliable sources say" on a subject, which is what Wikipedia articles should do. What is your purpose in doing this? If it is to advance an argument about a discussion, then no, that would be original research. If it to show the reader what they should or shouldn't do, then no, that would be WP:NOTHOWTO. I suppose it's just possible to use such a device for clarifying a point, but there are probably better ways. As usual when questioners refuse to tell us which article they are talking about, it is hard to give a good answer. ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you're talking about the schooner barge Ironton which collided with the SS Ohio. Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the Ironton, but someone at the humanities reference desk might be able to dig up a source which answers your question, if you go there and ask. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all. I recently made an edit to the Pokémon Sleep page linking the SSL certificate. When I hover over the link to see the page preview, a majority of the text is preformatted and I'm not sure why. I know this tends to happen when there's a space before a paragraph, but I don't see anything weird on the actual page. Lampyscales (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Lampyscales, welcome to the Teahouse. The preview seems to be displaying a version from a week ago. That's certainly odd. I'd recommend bringing it up at WP:VPT if no one has any better ideas here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I want to translate a french article into english. I tried the Translation mode but on the English Wikipedia machine translation is disabled for all users and this tool is limited to extended confirmed editors, which I am not. Should copy and paste the information and just translate it into English in a new draft? Or what are the correct steps to do it?
Hi @Wikicontemp art! Copying and pasting would be the way to do it (if it's any consolation, the beta translation tool is not exactly the best anyways haha). Make sure that you enter an edit summary when you create the draft stating that you're beginning a translation from the French (this is important for attribution for copyright reasons). Copying over the references will be essential for demonstrating notability. Thanks for helping expand our coverage of the Francophone world! I'll leave a welcome note on your talk page with more general info. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk18:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Wikicontemp art, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read translation, that will tell you how to go about it. Note that just because the article exists in fr-wiki does not necessarily mean that the sources in it are adequate for an en-wiki article, that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability, or that the tone of the text is suitable for en-wiki. You need to review the sources and make sure that they are adequate (reliable, independent, and having significant coverage) and if necessary find further sources. ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! So, there is an article published in French [[1]]but I want to create the same article in English. Since I'm not an expert, I can't do that. Should I copy and paste the information and just translate it into English in a new draft? Or what are the correct steps to do it? Wikicontemp art (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Wikicontemp art, welcome to the Teahouse. The steps are given at Help:Translation. You should be aware that English Wikipedia's sourcing requirements may be quite different from those on French Wikipedia, though since that article looks pretty well sourced, I think you'll be fine as long as you carry over all the citations. Note that you're expected to check those sources yourself to make sure they actually say what is being attributed to them; you can't just trust that the original author(s) did it correctly, you're responsible for the content you add. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Can you clarify what you mean by "not an expert"? Do you mean that you're not an expert in Wikipedia, in the topic of the article, or in the French language? If it's the latter, please don't translate it! Instead you can request that it be translated by someone else. -- asilvering (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
I mean a Wikipedia expert, an extended confirmed editor. So I'm going to review the steps in the Translation page and hope I'm not overwhelmed with so much information. Thank you both! Wikicontemp art (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah, yes, ok. That means you can't use the handy WP:CXT tool. That's a bit annoying, but I can also tell you that that tool creates lots of errors so you're not missing out quite so much as you might think. One thing that is extremely handy about it, though, is that it always attributes the translation. When you do the translation "by hand", it's easy to forget - make sure you pay special attention to the information under "licence requirements" on the translation help page. -- asilvering (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
How to add new info to Joni Mitchell page
never added to before& don't want to wreck existing info but she has just yesterday received the US library of congress Gershwin prize ... 184.65.217.27 (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. I already see a mention of this at Joni Mitchell. If there's further information you feel should be added, feel free to leave a comment at Talk:Joni Mitchell, preferably along with a link to a source for the information. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Dealing with possible troll account
Hello, I noticed an account making unconstructive edits (including contentious words like "terrorist" into WP:BLP articles without any attempts at establishing consensus beforehand). Therefore, I reverted them and left a note on their talk-page (another user did the same). The offending user left a rather combative message in-response, it comes across as a WP:NOTHERE account. How should I proceed? Ignore them and observe their next actions or is there something else you would advise me to do? Thank you, ThethPunjabi (talk) 15:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ThethPunjabi, welcome to the Teahouse. They've been given several warnings now and their responses have been quite uncivil. You'd probably have a case for a temporary block if you took them to WP:ANI right now, but I'd recommend the first thing you said, waiting to see what they do next. It may take some time, they're not a terribly frequent editor. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
For some backround, DPL is a tool usable on some wikis, that allows for very powerful searching (documentation can be found here). For example, with dpl one could ask for all instances of template:foo in categories that match the regex "bar%". Is there a similar tool on wikipedia? I was wondering if you could find all instances of articles in categories that contain "Star Wars" in the category title and do no use Template:Wookieepedia. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. However, I think I messed up by editing Syria in the first place. I was confused at the 500 edits account advisory, but I edited it anyway because I could and it wasn't blocked like, say, Jerusalem.
@GoutComplex, the standard procedure is to make an edit request on the talk page. It's possible that someone here at the Teahouse may simply fix it for you, though (obviously I can't!). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Msaskiw: That image does not appear to be properly licensed. "Owners approve" is not sufficient. You need to have the owner go through the process at commons:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator. Regarding citing, I would cite to the poster flyer as hosted elsewhere on the internet, not to the image as host on Commons. That way readers can see that it's not been modified or anything. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk21:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict)The image has been put up for speedy deletion on Commons, by me, as you admit you are not the copyright holder and no CC licensing. Beyond that, the image is a brochure which could have very limited use under WP:ABOUTSELF, though unlikely. In that case it would be a reference that is cited and not an image in the article. Though if you believe the image has value, follow the steps sdkb outlined above
Putting all that aside, the first goal is meeting WP:GNG and WP:NORG and that requires independent reliable sources. If such sourcing is not available, no amount of work will get the article published. This guide may be of help. Slywriter (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello IP editor, according to everything I could dig up about the image, it is indeed a monoraphidium ([2], other wikis that uses the image. If you have a reliable source that states the contrary then you might me able to make the case for its removal. ✶Mitch199811✶02:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
what is your source, because I guarantee you it's not monoraphidium, thats an image of closterium spp., you can even see the pyrenoids and nucleus, monorpahidium doesnt have pyrenoids and its nucleus doesnt look like that 173.188.135.56 (talk) 02:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
As you are the one who wants to change something, from my experience, the burden of proof is on you. I will look for more references on this species though to figure out if it is or not (and to expand the article). ✶Mitch199811✶02:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
how do I find a source explaining to you that isn't monoraphidium? Do I have to ask a monoraphidium expert to reply to you? Because we identify monoraphidum through a book called Freshwater Algae of North America but I very much doubt you are able to understand the keys for identifying monoraphidum due to your inexperience. 173.188.135.56 (talk) 02:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm very sorry for my inexperience. I wanted a source saying that Monoraphidium do not have have pyrenoids. This article does talk about their pyrenoids.
1 Closteriaceae Closterium Nitzsch ex Ralfs (Figs. 50 and 51) The solitary cells of Closterium are usually straight, arcuate, or lunate. In most species, cells taper toward the apices, which may be pointed, broadly rounded, or truncated. Cells are unconstricted and may be inflated in the midregion in some species. Cells are generally many times longer than broad. Size varies by species from tens of micrometers in length to nearly a millimeter. The largest cells are easily detectable by the unaided eye. The surface of the cell may be smooth, punctate, striate, or costate. The cell wall may be transparent or darkened. In certain species, a cylinder of intercalating wall material separates to two semicells (called a girdle band). The nucleus is central and separates the two chloroplasts. Each chloroplast is axile and stellate with a variable number of lobes. Several pyrenoids are distributed along the axis. In most species a conspicuous terminal vacuole containing barium sulfate crystals can be observed (Brook and Williamson, 2010). Sexual reproduction is known in several species, and zygospores may be irregularly globose or quadrate and are generally unornamented. The largest species of Closterium are easily recognized and are not easily confused with other species.
Description: Plant unicellular, not embedded in mucilage envelope. Cells 2-182 x 1-8 µm, straight to lunate to sigmoid or helically twisted, often with elongate ends. Cell walls smooth. Cells uninucleate; chloroplast single and parietal; pyrenoid absent or when present, compound and without stach envelope. Asexual reproduction by autospores, 2-16 per sporangium, produced in one or two parallel series; released by longitudinal or transverse rupture of parental wall. Flagellated stages and sexual reproduction unknown. Monoraphidium planktonic or attached in freshwater or in soil; reported from Europe, Asia, North America. 173.188.135.56 (talk) 03:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Since this publisher produces many cellphone apps, I am unsure how to cite
its listings on the Android Store or Apple Store. I used a standard WEB CITATION TEMPLATE, but some errors came up. What am I doing wrong?
Also, I would like to cite some of this publishers books on Goodreads. Again, an
error appeared. How should I cite Googreads correctly?
Hi @TNewfields! Quite often, the standard cite web template doesn't automatically pull information correctly. Just go to the "manual" tab on VisualEditor and fill out the info with the title, publisher, etc. We can help with more specifics if you provide the links to the specific pages you'll be using.
@TNewfields To me it looks like the error is caused simply by mistyping |access-date= as |url-access= in {{cite web}}. I hope you don't mind my taking the liberty of adjusting them in your sandbox. However, a bigger problem is that, reading through your draft, I am not convinced that the citations provided demonstrate notability. It appears to me that only the pieces in Reuters, ITMedia, and AVCJ even approach WP:SIGCOV, and they all seem rather perfunctory (although I can't read the whole AVCJ piece, as it seems to be paywalled). If there are sources with more thorough coverage, it would be great to include them. Shells-shells (talk) 04:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, TNewfields. App stores are commercial ventures that sells apps (obviously) and are therefore neither neutral nor independent sources about apps and therefore should not be used as references about anything other than themselves. Goodreads consists of user contributed book reviews by random people without editorial review and is also not a reliable source for use on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
A hot artist from Columbus has rapped with rappers such as Rollupdenn.P, T.A Tha Great (RIP) and has perfomed at Skully's and many other clubs and many more to come TbaREalbtrd (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
How many users need to vote for consensus to be reached?
Greetings. I have proposed an article be renamed for almost obvious reasons, though has been rejected to be renamed under the guise of technical conditions due to the potentially controversial nature. I have proposed the move in the talk page but has only been voted by another user (but apparently it counts as mine due to "per nom"). That means that I am the only one that has voted in favor and no one has objected so far. WP:CONS states that a consensus must be reached for change to happen but is unclear how many votes are needed. No one has objected and I expect no objections, but how can I bring more traction to this other than it being posted on Wikipedia:RM in case my proposal and vote are not enough? BurgeoningContracting (talk) 23:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Because you used WP:RM, it's out of your hands now, and you can just wait, taking no further action. Someone else will assess consensus and move the page after 7 days, or relist it. -- asilvering (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Nothing is stopping the user from responding to other users comments if they do not think it should be moved, this editor can respond to their thoughts. Hence not "all out of your hands". LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah yes, that's certainly correct. What I meant is that the move itself (and the decision whether to move or not) is out of the poster's hands. I don't think you're supposed to move an article yourself if you proposed a move for it at RM, even if it's a really WP:SNOW kind of deal. -- asilvering (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@BurgeoningContracting If you proposed the move, and another user also chimed in, that should count as two total. The other user's vote should not be counted as coming from you. The eventual closing editor should be able to easily sort this out. David10244 (talk) 08:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@BurgeoningContracting Yes, that's what "per nom" means. So your nom is a vote, and the other user's vote is a vote. (They are not really votes; the consensus is supposed to be decided using the strength of the arguments.) Sorry if I misunderstood your post. David10244 (talk) 10:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Kaitlyn Lawes page
I’m trying to edit Kaitlyn Lawes Wikipedia page because there are errors I noticed on it. She is a curler and I know they are errors because I follow this sport very closely. I would like to make the changes but can’t because the site is protected. The changes I’m trying to make are the following: the current Curling Club is St. Vital CC, it should be Fort Rouge CC. Ian kerwin (talk) 03:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@Ian kerwin, thanks for helping improve the article! Can you provide links to sources for each of the changes you'd like to make? Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk03:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source. You need to provide a reliable source WP:RS that shows that Kaitlyn Lawes curls out of the Fort Rouge CC. Meters (talk) 04:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Ian kerwin Your contributions history shows you are changing the club affiliations of curlers in the Infoboxes. However, you are not replacing the refs that had identified their previous clubs. Either your contributions should be undone, or you should go back and replace the club affiliation refs with newer refs. Going forward, all fact changes require verification. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
i need help with a wikipedia page
I am a college student, and we recently got a project in which we had to create a wikipedia page for a rural village which we visited Parth1011004 (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Parth1011004 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Requiring you to write a Wikipedia article(the preferred term, not "page") is an extremely unfair assignment to give you, as you have limited control over the process. (feel free to show this message to your professor/instructor) Teachers/professors should use Wikipedia Education Program materials to design lessons. Writing a new article is one of the most difficult tasks to attempt on Wikipedia. You should definitely read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and what is being looked for in terms of article content. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Parth1011004 and welcome to Wikipedia. Your first task, before creating any article, is to gather reliable source material about the subject of your article. What you are looking for is other writing about the subject, from books, newspapers, magazines and journals, websites, etc. and such writing should be from reliable sources. That's because all Wikipedia articles should be built upon independent, reliable source material, which is to say everything written in Wikipedia should be written about somewhere else first, and such writing should be independent of the subject, and such writing should come from credible, well-respected sources. After you've gathered your source texts, you can start writing your new article, being sure to avoid copying the source text too closely; your writing should be original to you, and not merely copied from the sources. The sources give you information that you use to create new writing for Wikipedia. As you add your text, you'll need to cite your sources as you go, so that everyone reading your article later can verify where the information came from. And that's about it. You can read more at Help:Your first article for more tips and tricks. --Jayron3216:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Cullen328, a rural village is obviously notable as a populated, legally recognized place, assuming enough sources to actually write an article exist, so the point is really quite moot.@Parth1011004 - Please read WP:ENGVAR - Changing American spellings to British ones is NOT "spelling / grammatical fixes" casualdejekyll20:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Parth1011004 Jayron is absolutely right about sources. To be specific, you cannot base article text on what you observed or learned while you visited the village (of course, this applies to all students). Information like that is not verifiable by other readers of this encyclopedia.
A much more fair assignment would be for the teacher to ask all students to write an essay or a paper on what they learned during the visit, perhaps augmented with some research, but not submitting this to Wikipedia in hopes of getting an article accepted. Instead, turn it in to the teacher for review and grading. Wikipedia is a poor venue on which to base a grade, if in fact that's what the teacher plans to do. (Is the entire class collaborating to create one draft?) Finally, acceptance of a draft to become an article takes a variable amount of time, and might not be done by the time the class is over. David10244 (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
This assignment also depends on how skilled the teacher is at Wikipedia. Does the teacher have an account? Is the teacher willing to share the history of her/his own contributions? Has the teacher succeeded or failed to get drafts approved? David notMD (talk) 12:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, I meant to say "Acceptance of a student draft as an article by Wikipedia is a poor basis for assigning a grade"... for several reasons. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 10:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey guys! I wrote an Article. How do I improve it?
The link you provided above was a mobile version of Wikipedia, en.m.wiki.x.io! The IP provided a desktop version of the link for non-mobile editors! TailsWx19:59, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Your draft says He was a bibliophile and publicist who contributed to a curious report in 1787 for the creation of a wine export company called Amigos del País y Cía. Who says it was a curious report? What was curious about it? Who was it submitted to? What did he contribute, and what effect did his contribution have? What was his relation to the export company? Who else was involved? Either explain this (with proper sourcing), or omit it. As it is, makes the article less valuable, not more. ColinFine (talk) 20:07, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
According to a research paper by Antonio Lorenzo Tena, Francisco Lugo Molina made a report in 1787 about the economic situation of La Palma, where he proposed some reforms to improve agriculture, trade and industry. He also suggested creating a Sociedad Económica de Amigos del País on the island, but his project was not approved by the authorities.
Found that here, :) you gotta download the pdf and search "amigo" so you find amigos del pais, you should translate it
Francisco Bautista de Lugo y Saavedra, Don Juan de Monteverde y Molina, and Don Juan Antonio de Urtusáustegui Lugo-Viña13 in the drafting of a report rela- tive to the constitution of a company for the export of local wines, called "Friends of the Country and Company"14. But all his initiatives, his own and collective, finally failed, being owed and pursued judicial- mind, so in 1791 he retired to the island of La Palma, a refuge and consolation of all their troubles, with the sole product of their majorities, thus achieving miti- the relentless pressure of his many creditors to whom he supplied small- amounts, convinced that the debtor possessed no other property than the link." Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I just added the info :) the source is already on the site as it has most of the info from there, but there are a, lot of Sources
Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Ayyyple2Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You have been reminded already about 'signing' your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. Please comply. As for the draft, much of the Family history section does not appear to be directly related to him. David notMD (talk) 21:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
For instance, page titles in English Wikipedia aren't written "Toshkent, Farg'ona" (as it's in Uzbek language), but "Tashkent, Fergana". Also, page titles of "Munich" and "Brussels" aren't written in English wikipedia by German and French names "München, Bruxelles". Following the same line of thought, I want to ask you for writing the names of cities and districts of Karakalpakstan in English wikipedia by Karakalpak names.
Our article title policy is laid out at WP:Article titles. We title articles based on what name is most common to English readers, based on an assessment of reliable sources. If you can provide sources to demonstrate the case that these titles are not the English common names, you can request moves on an individual basis. But, cities with a long history of recognition in the English-speaking world, such as Tashkent and Brussels, are almost certainly going to keep their current names for the foreseeable future. signed, Rosguilltalk18:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Okay, you say that you title the articles with the names that are most common to English readers. I have been working in a tourism sphere in Karakalpakstan for 4/5 years and I can certainly say that most travellers use "Muynak, Shimbay", not "Mo'ynoq, Chimboy" Karakalpak balasy (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
It's not only my personal experience, there is a plenty of proof for that. As you can see from above mentioned sources, all of them use "Muynak and/or Moynaq" Karakalpak balasy (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You should take these proposals to the individual articles and propose the changes there. You can read more about requesting page moves at WP:RM. Article title decisions are not going to be made at the Teahouse. signed, Rosguilltalk19:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
May I ask for assistance at Big Six (law firms), please? I do not intend to make any further edits there now, but feel strongly that the maintenance tags, source improvements and format changes I made should be reapplied. The removing editor undid these elements when reinstating their preferred version of the page. Although I have tried to engage with the editor, and there is an open RfC (with little response so far) they appear unwilling or unable to respond. I thought my edits were well supported and explained (don't we all, I guess?). My last edit kept all the other editor's additions but restored maintenance tags they'd removed, and a sourced par of mine that they'd deleted. [Forgot that I also changed section headings, fairly uncontroversialy, I'd have thought.] Despite that, it's just been reverted.
Earlier reversions of other users' edits by the editor: [3][4][5][6][7]
No response to overtures seems likely. I posted discussion on Talk page on 23 Jan; there's sporadic but lengthy discussion on same issue with this editor, and before that with another editor some months back.
It's an article of "low importance", but I'd still like accuracy maintained, or at least doubtful statements noted as such. Is anyone else willing to take a look? (I tried the talk page of Australian Law project earlier.) I'm not reporting it at a noticeboard as I'm now entirely uncertain where all the lines and trip hazards are. Have I done things correctly? No idea. I did try, but I end up confused looking through first one policy, then another and feel like I'm navigating a minefield. Perhaps that other editor is right. Who knows? I'm done. Thanks. AukusRuckus (talk) 11:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC) [Update: AukusRuckus (talk) 11:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC) ]
Mi articulo sobre un artista llamado Luis Garrido, me lo han borrado cuando yo pretendia guardarlo y he perdido todo.
Google translate says: My article about an artist named Luis Garrido, I have deleted it when I tried to save it and I have lost everything. please return the progress I lost on wikipediaOperating systemSungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I speak Spanish, but when i go to wikipedia en espanol my account does not exist. How do i get my account on there as well as english wiki. I'm not sure if creating another account for it constitutes sockpuppetry. Blitzfan51 (talk) 14:21, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Blitzfan51, welcome to the Teahouse. Your account does exist at http://es.wiki.x.io. If you lose your login when you go there then try reloading the page or logging in with your normal password. You haven't created a user page at es:User:Blitzfan51 but this is optional. The account works fine without it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I've been writing the article 2023 University of Manchester protests and it's been flagged for being written like an advertisement, I was just wondering if anyone could point out the advertisement-sounding part to me so that I can correct it as I can't see which bit that would be. Thanks! Lewcm (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Lewcm, it looks like the editor who tagged also removed the most overt promotion. Looking at it now, the advert tag can be removed but it will just be replaced with an WP:NPOV or WP:TONE tag as it seems to be written from the POV of only one side. Sourcing is also suspect as Instagram is not a source nor is Express and need to be removed. Other sources not reviewed yet. Additionally, if you have any connection to the protests, please see [[WP:COI].Slywriter (talk) 20:33, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll get that changed and remove the bad sources. The only possible connection I have is that I am a student, but I'm not a student at that university nor do I live in uni accommodation (which the protests are about), just wanted to check that that's ok. Thank you for your reply :) Lewcm (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Please why the page may declined and the first reviewer say “ Sources are poor, and some appear to be about an entirely different person” and the second reviewer say “ A key thing to remember is that sources must be both independentand reliable (i.e. not paid press releases). There are no sources currently listed in this that would contribute towards passing WP:NBASIC, nor am I able to find any online. Please read through WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY before resubmitting” Ishola0 (talk) 19:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Ishola0 - Is there a question you want to ask? I find your message to be hard to read, but if the question is "why was the draft declined" then the answer is in the very text from the reviewers you are copy-pasting - you should read through WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:NBASIC for clarification.TL;DR: Wikipedia isn't interested in what people say about themselves (or say in advertising). A Wikipedia article must be cited to significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. This means sources that are known for fact-checked, true material which is published after being seen by an editor - large newspapers, for example. Books and scientific journals also work. And, of course, online sources, as long as they are published by a source that is known to fact check their material and issue corrections for mistakes. The sources you used in the draft are all stuff that Olayinka wrote about himself - i.e., they are not independent. @Red-tailed hawk - Did this user have permission to copy your user page? (I assume not, but mistakes do happen...) casualdejekyll19:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Red-tailed hawk, Teahouse threads aren't normally closed unless they've become disruptive for some reason, but I suppose I can box off this one since the draft is gone and the user is blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:05, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sources behind login pages
Hi! I'm creating articles about music performers and composers, but some of the information I'm using is from digital sources that I have access to only through my university; you need to have login credentials from my uni to access them. How do I go about citing these/including links? EmberArchaeo (talk) 20:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
You're welcome to cite such sources. And you should, in general, format the reference/cite the same as if it was freely accessible and include as many fields as are helpful that you can (journal/work name, article title, author, date, issue number, page, URL, etc). If you share which source in particular, you may get some concrete examples how how to cite them but in general you can follow WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT and provide enough information/URLs so if someone else is able to access it, they can easy read/see what you cited and you'd be fine. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost and WP:PAYWALL might be helpful too. Skynxnex (talk) 20:32, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I want to create a biographical article, please help me with that
Hello, the Wikipedia team. I am an entrepreneur, Mohamed Ghaith. I have many Egyptian and foreign websites, as I have many documented news in all countries. I ask for your help in editing my resume.
Mohamed Ghaith (born July 9, 1989) is an Egyptian technology entrepreneur, trader, and avionics engineer. He is the founder and chief executive officer of Drofie, a pocket-sized selfie camera; Zeew, an on-demand delivery platform; and Stunning.so, an AI-enabled website and portal builder. Ghaith is widely regarded as a serial entrepreneur with multiple skill sets, including business development, strategy formation, marketing, finance, anti-money laundering, AML procedures, and avionics integration.
@Mohamed.Ghaith2111 - Wikipedia is NOT for resumes. We write encyclopaedia articles, and, unless you (or someone else) can find reliable, independent sources that provide significant coverage of you, we will not have an article about you. This is because as an encyclopedia, we aren't interested in what a person says about themselves, only what others in the world (news sources, books, for example) say about them. You should read WP:NBASIC and WP:RS for more details, and be sure to come back if you need clarification. casualdejekyll21:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
You already have an article on Wikitia which I can't link as it is globally blacklisted here. I don't see much there that would make you sufficiently notable for inclusion on WIkipedia, since much of it is based on interviews and other sources not meeting our main criteria. You are allowed to try to write an autobiography provided you use the WP:AfC process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I am a contributor to the article on the Pink Floyd song "Yet Another Movie" and I keep correcting an edit that is innacurate. The article has included an uncredited songwriter (Jon Carin). The last editor to reverse this has previously deleted this reference to Jon Carin. The basis for his edit is incorrect. It's becoming vandalism at this point. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@1987atomheartbrother - The definition of vandalism is edits that are intentionally meant to disrupt. Edits, whether disruptive or not, that are made in good faith are NOT vandalistic.I believe you and the IP should have a discussion on the talk page about whether or not Carin's claim to writing is worth an infobox mention or not. At the very least, it probably should be mentioned in the prose of the article. I do not believe it is possible to ping IP editors, so it is also best to notify them on User talk:205.178.116.136 that you intend to talk. casualdejekyll21:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Can anyone help me with editing Dale Pollock page to update citations in danger please? I think the links are still valid so don't understand enough to change them? Violasusie49 (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2023
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Some references (#2, #12, #15 and #16) should use {{cite web}} instead of pure {{citation}}. Violasusie49 (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@SharecareAD - Apologies, the COI edit request backlog is... horrifyingly long, mostly because it's a very thankless job which is resource-intensive to do. I'll take a look now. Sorry for the wait! casualdejekyll21:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@Casualdejekyll: not only is it a thankless work-intensive job to address those requests, but the list is also long because most of those requests pertain to articles that are primarily of interest to people with a COI, and don't have a lot of regular editors watching them. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I was trying to add lines in between groups of positions, so the table would be separated by player position. The whole table got messed up. I'm wondering what's the fastest way to fix this. The references and categories are appearing inside the table rather than at the bottom of the page. I left the categories deleted, and I'm unable to add a reference header. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 07:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
There's nothing special about the reply tool in this regard. Since recently there is the option to subscribe to a thread, in which case they will be notified. Otherwise there's ping, or just waiting for them to see the edit on their watchlist. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me;21:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Iamreallygoodatcheckers Using the reply tool shows some icons above the text-entry box. If you select the last icon, a person with a "plus", or if you type an @ you'll get a "find user" dialog. The resulting markup will start with an @ sign, which will notify the user you selected from the dialog box, which might be the person you are replying to. The link that David notMD gave has more details. David10244 (talk) 07:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi there! Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI) and do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independentreliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the company, and determine whether they demonstrate that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article may be created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 02:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not be authors or co-authors. The gist of GoingBatty's response is that is is really, really, really hard to succeed in creating a valid article about a company one works for or owns, especially for a person with no experience. I'm guessing 98% attempts fail. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
My estimate of the failure rate would be 99%+, especially when the editor in question shows no sign of being able to write coherent and persuasive English language prose. I suggest that the IP consider contributing to the Wikipedia version in their first language. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
IP editor, you don't "publish a company into Wikipedia". Instead, Wikipedia has articles about notable subjects, including people, plants, animals, concepts, and companies. I hope you understand what that means, because as Cullen328 says, it sounds like you are not extremely fluent in English. Sorry to be discouraging. David10244 (talk) 08:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Please check a translation
article Guayaquil, section “Name”, which I have translated from the Spanish. There is a picture that is way out of place and I don’t know how to fix it. deisenbe (talk) 10:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
User:Deisenbe has added a name section and an image of the apostle Santigo. The image information is at the beginning of the section, but the image location is much farther down in the article. Other than that, the Lead is much too short for an article with this much information, the Food, Sports and Religion sections have no references, and the City Sectors table in my opinion adds nothing useful to a reader and could be removed. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Infobox italics
Been running into an italics issue on The Smile (Live at Montreux Jazz Festival, July 2022). The page needs {{italic title}} because of the parenthetical, but that conflicts with {{infobox album}}'s auto-italicizing so that needs suppressed. But that means the title on the infobox isn't italicized, and we can't fix that with ''s because then it doubles the italics in the chronology. Surely there must be a solution to this that we're missing. QuietHere (talk) 01:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Nothing is official for now means that the claim of death should not be included on Wikipedia until it is "official" which means verifiable in this case. A poorly referenced claim of death is a severe policy violation. Cullen328 (talk) 04:33, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I looked at that link. The headline says she was found dead; that's the last thing I'd believe. I've seen too many online headlines where the writer clearly didn't know what the article said. As for the article, it more or less starts by asking--is she dead. Then it's one of those "articles" where you have to scroll (or click) through 10 thousand other things before you get to the point (or before you find out that the article never gets to the point). In fact, this one is more blatant than most; it actually says that you HAVE TO scroll through all the following sections before you find out if she's dead or not. I didn't and I'm not going to; my guess is that if I do, it'll express the hope that we'll find out some day if she's dead or not (but that's just my guess). I've never heard of PKB News, and I have no idea what its journalistic creds might be. But this link is clickbait. I would not want reports of my own death to be greatly exaggerated by clickbait. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Quantity and nature of advertizing banners
Hello, respectfully I wish to complain about the amount of adverts on Wikipedia. Particularly concerning and annoying is the amount of politically-motivated advocacy. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. How can the content of the articles be trusted when at the top of each article are displayed advocacy banners, almost always promoting things of a particular world view? Even after I unchecked all these options "Banner types to display" in preferences, I still see certain banners. It is not a good situation. Moribundum (talk) 09:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Moribundum Wikipedia does not have paid advertising from outside parties. The Wikimedia Foundation will sometimes communicate events like edit-thons or other events to promote editing Wikipedia by all. While Wikipedia content strives for a neutral point of view, the Foundation certainly does take positions consistent with the idea that all are welcome to edit Wikipedia regardless of race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc. This isn't about politics, it's about editing and building this encyclopedia. I think some banners do override the suppression available in account preferences, but as Tigraan notes we would need to know which message you refer to in order to give more detail.
We don't ask people to blindly trust Wikipedia; we provide the sources so readers can examine and judge the content for themselves. You are free to read everything here and disagree with all of it. You are also free to disagree with the views of the Foundation, as long as you understand that civility and collaboration with all users are fundamental aspects of Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry, it absolutely is very political and exclusionary. Constant promotion of certain topics. This undoubtedly causes problems with neutrality such as historical revisionism and undue weight. Moribundum (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
The Foundation is not involved in day to day operations with regards to the content of the encyclopedia. Only in rare cases, usually involving off wiki things like legal action, do Foundation employees make edits as employees. They don't decide what content is on the encyclopedia, that's up to us volunteer editors. If you have specific concerns about an article, such as reliable sources not being accurately summarized, you should bring that up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I am asking about the number and content of advocacy banners. Why are there so many, why are they very often of a particular political viewpoint, and why can they not be blocked even when a user makes an account and tries to change their user preferences? Moribundum (talk) 13:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I for one really do not get what you mean by "advocacy banners"; I get not shown any banners, a part from those which pop up from time to time asking for money for the foundation. Lectonar (talk) 13:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
The notifications can be on a variety of topics. As I understand, the article / page that is opened which will display the banner is not relevant. It could be any wikipedia page that is opened. The point is, why am I still seeing them, when I don't want to and stated I did not want to see them in preferences?
I unchecked all the options in preferences (please keep in mind that the majority of wikipedia readers will NOT make accounts and/or will not know/bother to find out how to hide banners, and therefore will be subjected to constant advocacy and other notices). It appears that there are 2 categories of notification banner that are mandatory and cannot be unsubscribed from: "Maintenance" and "Special". None of the banners I have seen would fit under "maintenance"... therefore I can conclude either I have a bug where my preferences are not applied, or regular banners are being approved as "special" category and cannot be hidden (in which case the person/people approving these "special" banners should be alerted that their actions are not appreciated by many users and constitute an opposite philosophy to the supposed neutrality of wikipedia). Thank you for your assistance. Moribundum (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, an account is required to have the ability to disable the banners that can be disabled, because there is no way to know with an IP address if the person sitting at the computer/holding the device at any given moment has seen them. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I never see any banners on Wikipedia articles. It sounds to me as though your browser has been hijacked, but it would really help us tie this down if you could you quote a specific example with the actual text of the "advert". Have you tried using a different browser or computer? Shantavira|feed me11:05, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
If it is a bug, I will report next time I see one. As far as I understand, after deselecting all banners to appear, I should be seeing almost none.
However, I am also raising concerns about the number and nature of these advertising banners for all users, not just ones who made a user account and who know how to change user preferences. Why should they be involuntarily subjected to such advocacy? Moribundum (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
It could be an artefact created by using brave browser, which blocks many things it considers as trackers, advertisements, etc. This might prevent user preferences being correctly applied. Moribundum (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Moribundum I don't think I've EVER seen a political banner on Wikipedia, whether I'm logged in or not. I see the occasional appeals for donatins, and invitations to join various Wikipedia projects or events. And I haven't really paid much attention to my User Preferences (don't even know what's there). I suspect that what you're running into isn't from Wikipedia, but something to do with where you get your Internet. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
They mean "which company do you buy your internet service from", some web providers hijack your connection to add extra adverts to the websites you visit, e.g. comcast used to do this if you used their public wifi [9].
Wikipedia has a few things that you might consider "banners":
Maintenance templates at the top of the article, saying things like "This article needs extra sources" or "this article needs re-writing for neutrality". These are added by editors as both a warning to readers and to as other people to help out.
Fundraising banners, asking you to donate money to the foundation
Banners telling you about Wikimedia related events and competitions, e.g. at the moment there's a series of banners asking people to take photos of their local folklaw and upload them to commons.
Some of these banners will be targeted based on where you live (e.g. fundraising banners will say your country name and will have options to donate in your currency), but they are not tied to the content of the articles. None of these banners engage in any kind of advocacy.
This sounds like an issue on your end. Is your computer infested with any kind of Adware or viruses? Do you still get the adverts if you use a different browser? Do they still appear if you log into a different device? 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
100% they are wikipedia banners and not 3rd party. The issue is only on wikipedia and no other site, so I think it is not related to service provider. I disabled tracker protection and since then I only saw a few banners on wikipedia, one encouraging me to edit about climate change in Africa (should be classed as advocacy and not show with my user preferences), and the other a site maintenance banner.
Regarding whoever is responsible for authorizing these banners, this "spam" is excessive, unappreciated and politically biased. Such advocacy should appear only on an opt-in basis (perhaps newsletters or notices sent to users' talk pages), rather than by default opt-out and appearing randomly on any page visited. I believe that I am speaking here for a silent majority of wikipedia users who do not want to be bothered by any banners, by default. Moribundum (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I feel like you might want to head over to Meta-Wiki or contact the Wikimedia headquarters if you have such an issue. I will admit it gets a bit annoying as I cross wikis a lot so I see the banners a lot. If you could give us a link to whatever it is advocating then we might be able to help you more. ✶Mitch199811✶01:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Moribundum I have also never seen any banners like that; certainly never a banner asking me to edit about a specific topic (like climate change in Africa). As a computer programmer, I have to agree that it sounds like your computer or browser is infected with something. And a screenshot would be very helpful, as Tigraan mentions below. David10244 (talk) 08:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I've had a banner for "Africa Environment WikiFocus" recently, but I don't recall it saying anything about climate change. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 05:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@Moribundum: I (and Shantavira) asked for the text of the advert for a reason, but now I am going to ask for a screenshot. Again, one (1) example is enough, no need to get into statistics of which page shows what with which probability. Quoting this very famous essay about reporting bugs: the aim of a bug report is to enable the programmer to see the program failing in front of them. You can either show them in person, or give them careful and detailed instructions on how to make it fail.
What you are complaining about could be a site-wide notification banner, a Wikiproject banner, a talk page message, a featured article on the main page, or something else entirely. Maybe it’s clear in your head which it is, but it isn’t from the perspective of whoever is reading you. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact)15:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
MILHIST should run a promotion to displace the disturbing banners about women's biography, African environment, plant photography, and folklore. Poisoning the minds of our wholesome youth with such disturbing worldviews. What is the world coming to? Run by a bunch of namby-pamby artsy-fartsy plonkers and elites! Sad.™ If March can be Wimmin's Month, April should be Weapons Month. [FBDB] (Ok, jokes aside, I have noticed a larger-than-usual variety of bannners lately. Just click the [x].) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 06:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@Moribundum:: Are you talking about Wikipedia:Userboxes? Those are often banners on people's user pages that they can use to describe themselves (what languages they speak, what topics they are into, and what political opinions they agree with). Alternatively, are you talking about the banners on a talk page for different Wikipedia:WikiProjects (like Talk:Vladimir the Great)? WikiProjects are not politically motivated (or shouldn't be), though the project participants might have certain political leanings. Just trying to help bridge the gap here and figure out what kinds of banners we are talking about. Bkissin (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Based on their earlier comment about climate change in Africa, I think it's safe to say it's the CentralNotices they're talking about. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me;19:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
COULD THIS BE IT???
Just now, at the top of the Teahouse page (i.e., this very page!), I've seen a box with some suggestions of party decorations along the top margin, and a sketch of a generalized woman at the left end. There was text in the box. I couldn't select the text to copy/paste it, so I copied it all out by hand (with a pen! in cursive! I'm old!), and here I type from my cursive:
Join us to Celebrate Women!
Help close the knowledge gap on Wikipedia this March: check here and see what you can do.
I wonder if this is an example what's troubling this user so. So what I see here is a general invitation to take part in a Wikipedia project--arguably, one to improve Wikipedia. Those banners had slipped my mind; I guess I don't see them very often. Or, maybe I've had so many appear in front of me, that I just look right past them now. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
@Ayyyple2 References 5, 7 and 8 are from blogs, which are generally not reliable. You should try to find better sources. The reviewer will give more advice if they don't accept Draft:Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina. The review might be expedited if you could find some English-language sources and that would also help our readers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Sadly there arent much english Sources, as he was spanish and most biographies were spanish of him. However there possibly could be some for his brother, Estanislao. He served Luis De Borbon and his family and can be seen in a painting. But i dont think it would be helpful Ayyyple2 (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Ayyyple2, there is no prohibition on using sources in languages other than English, although English language sources are preferred if readily available. But for a relatively obscure Spanish topic, Spanish language sources are perfectly acceptable, as long as the sources are reliable, and cited with complete bibliographic detail. Cullen328 (talk) 05:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. Citations are not normally in the sources section, but in the text at the point where they are used (where the raised number appears): see WP:REFB. If you are removing unreliable sources, then you should probably remove the information that they support, unless there are also reliable sources cited. ColinFine (talk) 09:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Mdavis9599 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may change your email address in your account preferences; click the icon that looks like a person in the top right corner, which will drop down a menu and click "Preferences". 331dot (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Arrgh, too many empty edit summaries!
When patrolling new edits, I find many edits:
by unregistered editors,
with no corresponding edit summary, and,
nothing suspicious from a reasonable glance at the wikitext (which is sometimes very hard to decipher).
I'm inclined to revert these edits, adding an "unexplained edit" summary. I surmise that serious editors will resubmit their edit to Wikipedia with an edit summary, and will continue to do so in future. Much rejoicing!
One of the (several) problems with this approach is the risk of reverting good edits, to the chagrin of other editors who may wonder why.
Now, I'm not going to analyse all incoming unexplained edits that come my way, to see whether they might be ok. Too many, too tedious. Should I just leave unexplained edits for other editors with more time and patience? Quit vandalism patrol? Any thoughts? Thanks. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 20:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Doktor Züm Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is, you shouldn't revert edits merely because they lack an edit summary, as there is not a requirement to do so. WP:ES strongly advises it, but it's not required. You can certainly communicate to the editor that an edit summary is a good idea. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@331dot, I take your point. But there's a flood of these unexplained edits. Too many to address on a case-by-case basis without letting many other potentially bad edits through the net.
WP:ES says Summaries help other editors by [...] saving the time to open up the edit to find out what it's all about.
Doktor Züm Having more than what you can deal with is the nature of the beast, so to speak. We all do what we have time to do. Proposals to require edit summaries have been discussed before and the consensus seems to be that it would annoy people more than it would be helpful, it wouldn't guarantee an accurate edit summary(someone could just put "x" to pass the requirement), and a lack of edit summaries is(as you already know) sometimes an indicator of vandalism. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
"Edit summaries may annoy them enough they will not save their (possibly constructive) edits." I actually laughed aloud. Also, I think I'm smart enough to spot 'x' or some other generalisation as potential vandalism, worth a deeper look.
Certainly you may do as you wish; I wasn't trying to discourage you from patrolling, just know your limitations in terms of time and that you can't do it all and no one expects you to do it all. 331dot (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Help with translating news article
Hello, I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask this, but could someone who speaks Spanish translate the news article listed at [10] to help me in writing Fred Narganes? I'd greatly appreciate it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to contribute to the article space wrt gerrymandering in the united states.
I have been doing a lot of research on this topic for a personal project, but this means I have a lot of knowledge/access to high quality sources about the topic. Are there any parts of the articles on this topic that need improvement? A Tree In A Box (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, A Tree in a Box, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia.
If you can see improvements you could make in articles, you are welcome to be BOLD and make them: there's no requirement that you discuss them first.
But of course you are welcome to discuss. If it is about a particular article (such as Gerrymandering in the United States), then the article's talk page is a good place to open the discussion; but you can also do so at a WikiProject.
I shouldn't worry about "wasting people's time" - as long as you are in good faith to improve Wikipedia, most editors will be willing to engage with you, and if they are not they can just ignore your discussion.
It may be helpful to look at the advice for expert editors. Note that articles should summarize what the reliable sources say, but should never advance an argument or present a conclusion (they can report an argument or conclusion from a source); and if the sources disagree, it should summarize all of them (giving them due WEIGHT), but not attempt to resolve the differences. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I have been here for a while, and have reached extended confirmed. However, for some reason, I am currently unable to create articles, including my own user page. FYI, I am a mobile user who is quite busy at times so please ping me with a response. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
QuicoleJR Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you get an error message or any sort of message when this happens? I see no block or other restriction on your account that would prevent you from creating articles or your user page. Have you tried doing it in desktop mode(even on your device in a browser)? 331dot (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@331dot: I do not see an error message, however, when I try to create my user page, I am stuck in an infinite loading screen. Also, when I type something into the search bar that does not have an article, I am not shown a link to create the article. I have not tried Desktop mode yet, will get back to you on that one. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, QuicoleJR. I edit using a smartphone, and I highly recommend use of the fully functional desktop site on mobile devices. You can find it by scrolling to the bottom of any page. Cullen328 (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@C2 J45driver16, welcome to the Teahouse. You had included the text within reference tags, making it visible only in the Reference section. I've removed the tags. The reference for the material is still there at the end of the paragraph. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Rejected for unreliable references
Hello! I recently submitted my very first Wiki entry for Challenged Sailors San Diego. Unfortunately, it was rejected because "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I thought I included 4 outside reliable and veriable sources in the Reference section. Challenged Sailors San Diego is a nonprofit giving people with disabilities the chance to sail. Thanks in advance for any advice on what I'm doing wrong with the References I used. SammyGWiki (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@SammyGWiki, welcome to the Teahouse. It was actually rejected for not having proper references. That has been fixed. While the sources are reliable, they must also be in-depth AND independent of the organization as well. See WP:42. Announcements picked up by a local newspaper may not suffice, nor interviews with people involved. Your best source could be the Robie Pierce Award, but the page you link to only gives the organization's name. A better source would be the award announcement itself reported at here. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Spgough Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please place your edit in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header/edit summary window.
The page you speak of is called a Category, which groups together articles of the named topic area. It is not normally edited itself, articles are added to the category by editing relevant articles. There needs to be an article about the person you want in the category- and that can only happen if they meet the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Spgough, and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you have linked to is a category, a way of classifying encyclopaedia articles - in this case, articles about HBS alumni. People cannot be added to it, only articles can.
Wikipedia consists of neutrally written articles about notable people (and other notable subjects, of course) - notable in Wikipedia's special sense. Not every - not even all Harvard alumni - meet those criteria, which is not so much about who they are or what they have done, as about what has been published about them.
If you have a person in mind, you are welcome to read the above link on notability, and if you can find the necessary sources, try to create an article: see your first article. If the person is you, you are strongly discouraged from writing it: see autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
If you're wondering what the source is for the fact that each person is an HBS alumnus, you'll have to read each article individually to find the source. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me;23:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Finding Wikipedia article's short description
I saw a short description yesterday that had the word "warrior" erroneously replaced with "warrier". Is there a way an editor can find and correct that? GoutComplex (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
I think the problem is that they don't remember which article it was. Unfortunately, searching insource:warrier (which looks for words within templates, like {{Short description}}) returns 1,431 results. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
It seems likely to be Hagakure with {{Short description|Warrier guide by Yamamoto Tsunetomo}}. The other hits I could find are properly spelled that way.
To answer @GoutComplex, you can either edit the template at/near the top of the source that looks like the one above or turn on "Shortdesc helper" at your preferences to make it a bit simpler if you intend to make many changes to pages that are just updating the short description. Skynxnex (talk) 22:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Next time you don't remember which page you were looking at, try checking your browser history. DS (talk) 02:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Adding a reference to an article
I am Kenneth L. Casey and I wish to add a reference to the book I published in the article about me (Kenneth L. Casey). The reference is:
Casey, KL. Chasing Pain: The Search for a Neurobiological Mechanism.
New York, USA: Oxford University Press (2019). p. 173
doi.org/10.1093/med/9780190880231.001.0001
I have been advised to request this on the talk page for Kenneth L. Casey, which I have done but there has been no response. Please advise. Thank you. Klc2775 (talk) 17:05, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi all! I'm editing as an IP right now because of unforseen circumstances that are making it impossible for me to edit via my usual account. Actually, I'm not even sure that this will work because I'm editing through a system that seems very sketchy and prone to error. Anyways!! I'm writing this because there's a user I've become aware of that doesn't seem to be here to build the encyclopedia. Of their 267 edits 8 of them are in the Mainspace, all in one article. That 3% od edits are all minor grammatical changes. Additionally, this user has been repeatedly extremely (eextremely!!!) disruptive on User Talk/Wikiedia (Teahouse) areas. Their edits are overwhelmingly in their own Userspace, with a ridiculous 59 edits on a tiny User Page which says (quote) "I personally didn't want to edit this page or place any information" I understand that they are new, but it's getting out of hand. What do I do? 73.170.84.78 (talk) 01:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
On the page User:Ionic Ludicrous, we read: I personally didn't want to edit this page or place any information, but I might as well. Is it Ionic Ludicrous that you're complaining about? -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
It is not uncommon for a new editor to put in an inordinate about of time on their own User and Talk pages. Or wander into the deep end of a Wikipedia pool; in this instance Teahouse. Advice has been given on IL's Talk page, and responded to. If there are not improvements going forward, warnings can be posted about WP:NOTHERE, but for now I suggest patience. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
One of two things will happen, and it will probably shake out pretty promptly. Either Ionic Ludicrous will decide to become a productive encyclopedia editor, or they will be indefinitely blocked. The first is my preferred outcome, but the final result is entirely in the hands of the editor in question. This is, after all, a project to expand and improve an encyclopedia, not a venue to fool around. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I made a draft in my sandbox and sent it for review. Once it was reviewed I realized that I should have made the changes in the actual article (instead of in my sandbox)...
I want to use my sandbox for a new draft but there is still the previous notification (made for the article mentioned above), how can I start with my blank sandbox?
@Idividual1967: Thanks for stopping by to ask this question. You don't have to do anything except edit the sandbox and erase all of the text there. You can request that an administrator delete your sandbox by tagging the page with {{db-U1}} (db tags are used to request deletion per the speedy deletion process and U1 is the rule that allows user to delete anything in their own userspace). However, deleting it is not necessary, you can just edit it and erase all of the text. --Jayron3216:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the reply. :)
I already deleted the draft I wrote from my sandbox but I couldn't delete a review template with comments on the draft I deleted.
So, I think I'll add the db-U1 tag.
Or should I just start typing? I don't know if I could confuse the information if the tag is still there.
Where do I report a vandal to get their talk page access revoked?
There is an IP editor whom I warned (User talk:174.27.21.219) a month ago, and a while back, they replied to me, telling me to "go hug a cactus" [11] (which I would say counts as telling me to harm myself). Where should such a case be reported? Tube·of·Light09:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
IP 174.27.21.219 was blocked from editing articles on Feb 6th for six months. The subsequent one-time post ("cactus") on the IP's Talk page should just be ignored. Consider action only if the IP posts on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, we can have one virtually, I suppose. Not nearly as tasty as the real thing, I must add. Is there a specific question you have about Wikipedia I can answer, now that we're having this lovely cup of virtual tea?
Welcome to the Teahouse, Milo2484. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia that we can help you with? That is the sole purpose of this page. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome from me too. Adding audio files is like adding images or any other kinds of media: first you ascertain that the material is licensed in a way that is compatible (not a copyright violation); then you upload it, usually to Wikimedia Commons; then you can insert it into an article. See Help:Upload. ColinFine (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Good practices to use persistent Identifiers (DOI) in an article about software
Hello Teahouse,
I wonder if there are already good practices within Wikipedia on how to include external persistent identifiers (PID) in an article.
For a growing number of open source software projects (which already have their respective Wikipedia articles) are Persistent Identifierts (PID), mostly Digital Object Identifiers (DOI) available. GRASS GIS (GRASS GIS) is a good example. GRASS GIS software releases are long term preserved in the Open Access Repository Zenodo. This results in a concept DOI for the overall project ([12]https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.6823283) (and version DOI to cite individual software releases). DOI have become best practice to scientifically reference and cite scientific resources, which might be useful information for the readers of such Wikipedia articles. There are already 19 geospatial open source software projects which have minted DOI ([13]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/DOI#DOI_for_OSGeo_Projects).
@PIXEL2021, typically you can pass them in as a parameter to citation templates, such as <ref>{{cite web | url=https://zenodo.org/record/6823283 | doi=10.5281/zenodo.6823283 | year=2022 | title=OSGeo/Grass: GRASS GIS 7.8.8RC2 }}</ref> producing [1] — Qwerfjkltalk15:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@PIXEL2021 Another possibility to convert doi into usable citations for articles is to use the WP:Citation expander (see link for details). This creates journal citations directly from doi and in the case you quote can even automatically generate the list of contributing authors. For the articles I contribute to on scientific subjects, I always use doi -> full citation using the tool. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Rayyan Ahamadh Fazly 12345 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need anyone's permission to write a new article, but it is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing some of the over 6 and a half million articles we have in areas that interest you; using the new user tutorial is also helpful. New accounts cannot directly create articles, but you may create and submit a draft via Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Further to what 331dot says, you clearly do not yet have an understanding of what Wikipedia is, as all three of your other edits were to introduce personal comments into articles. This is never appropriate. If the comment is about improving the article (which I think your comment about Congestion pricing might have been), it belongs in the article's talk page. But your opinions on the subject of an article do not belong anywhere in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Do old articles have to follow new rules that were created years later?
Can an article that was created in 2005 be eligible for deletion based on not following rules that were made in 2021? Seems highly questionable to me.
Hello, KatoKungLee, and welcome to the Teahouse. Many old articles have never been looked at. When we turn our attention to an old article that does not meet modern standards (which nearly always means, insufficiently sourced), we should either improve the sourcing to establish notability and bring it up to modern standards, or delete it.
So the answer to your question is sort of yes: the article should not be left as it is, but notability is a property of the subject, not of the article, so if, in fact, the subject is notable, then the article should not (and generally will not) get deleted. ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
However, notability guidelines can change over time, in which case subjects that were notable before might not be anymore. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me;17:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible to update the image on this article?
@Paowee: The thing is, Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons only accept certain types of images that are freely licensed (with few exceptions). It is very hard to find such images, and if you find any image licensed under the Creative Commons/any other free license, you can feel free to upload it here. QuickQuokka[talk • contribs]18:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I want to say a film was nominated for an award in the Festival international du film d'Aubagne. Should I italicize the name of the film festival? It's been such a long time since I've actually edited, since I'm so busy with schoolwork. QuickQuokka[talk • contribs]17:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@QuickQuokka: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1182. It's an interesting question, as non-English terms that aren't commonly used in English are typically italicised, but I would check to see if the English sources (if any) refer to it as such or something like Aubagne International Film Festival. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I hope I can do this… was reading the long Wikipedia article about the Netherlands and Friesland. Wanted to find out more about the ancient discoveries by the Bergumer Mar. Also reading about Eastermar. My grandmother was born near there ( Heechsän )in 1881. I visited the general area often during my childhood in 1950s and ‘60’s. I was disappointed that my parents old friend Dam Jaarsma was not mentioned.There should be a lot of his writing and research available. He esp collected old stories, also “ witch craft” beliefs and natural folk “ remedies”. This area “ de Wälden “, was known for the terrible circumstances, big families trying to survive in abject poverty. Frede op ierde (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm contributing to improve Castle in the Sky, and am currently working on the section covering the soundtrack from the film. I was going to upload the cover art for the soundtrack album following the guidelines from the non-free content policy. However, the file upload wizard mandates that the image be used as an identifier of the article at the very top. This use of the image does not meet that criterion, as the main subject of the article is the film, not its soundtrack. As I'm sure there's precedent for this kind of situation, would anyone be able to offer guidance about this? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
One possibility would be to create a separate article for the Soundtrack album, wikilinked from a perhaps reduced Music section in the Film article as is not uncommon, but you'd probably need more information and sources than what's already in that section, which may or may not be available. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@TechnoSquirrel69: You can upload a low-resolution image as a non-free fair-use file, which is then used only in a dedicated section about the soundtrack. There is some precedent for this. A dedicated section is essentially a mini-article about a related topic. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I was considering just popping the section out into a new page, as there's a decent chance it would be a notable article in its own right. I think for now I want to focus on the main article, so I'm going to just go ahead and add in the image. I'll definitely consider that second article in the future, though. Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
How to save a draft article not finished yet
Hello, I am developing my first Wikipedia article, have been practicing edits and have created a draft using the template. I still have work to do on it with links and citations, so am not yet ready to 'Publish' and have people review it. But I can't work out where it will save or what will happen if I hit the blue 'publish' button.
From my reading of wikipedia guidelines and how to pages, I (think I) understand that the 'publish' function is not moving it to mainstream, but just wanted to confirm as I'm not sure where the draft page/article is saving - does it save to my account? If I close the window, where can I find it to go back to it in future? Thanks for any clarification and advice. Sian.harris (talk) 03:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Sian.harris, welcome to the Teahouse. "Publish" is just a save button. It says "Publish" to indicate that saved pages are visible to everybody. There are no private pages. Submitting a draft for review is another process. You can click "publish" now and work on it later until you think it's ready for submission. Before closing your browser you have to either "publish" it or save it offline, e.g. on your own computer. Some browsers may remember the content of unsaved text fields between browser sessions if you close the browser without closing the tab, but this is unreliable and I would never rely on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@Sian.harris: You can find your saved edits later by clicking "Contributions" at the top of any page or in a menu on a person icon at the top right of pages. Others can also see your edits at Special:Contributions/Sian.harris. The top of the edit window shows what name the page will get if you save it. You can also find the page later by entering that name in the search box, including "Draft:" if that is in the page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Before diving into copyediting articles, I'd like to ask; what's the consensus on the Oxford Comma? My personal preference is to put them in for clarity, but I'd hate to trample over the will of the community. Thanks in advance. CrowEater (talk) 05:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Abik Dey. I'm guessing that what you mean is that you can't find an encyclopaedia article about Abik Dey in English Wikipedia. The reason for this is generally that nobody has written one - Wikipedia is created by volunteers that choose what they want to work on.
There is often another reason why an article does not exist on a particular subject: Wikipedia has certain requirements on the subject which are referred to as notability: most authors (like most people) do not meet these criteria, and no article on them is possible. ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Abik Dey A different possible problem here is that you have chosen as your User name that of a person you hope to see or create an article about. Wikipedia does no allow this. If this is so, I recommend you abandon this account and start a new one with a different User name. David notMD (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Dreamsanuj1999, other editors see from Draft:Devendra Singh that on 1 March you seriously misunderstood Wikipedia. If you too realize that you made a major misunderstanding, you're welcome to edit here. You can save yourself much frustration by improving existing articles (by use of reliable sources) before attempting to create any new article. -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Dreamsanuj1999. I see that you have been working on Draft:Devendra Singh. That is pretty much the opposite of an acceptable Wikipedia article. Frankly, it sucks. You need to complete a total rewrite if you are to have any hope of getting this draft accepted as an article. Follow the advice offered above, and follow it carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 08:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Another way of putting this is that Wikipedia is the opposite of social media. Rather than allowing everyone to be the subject of a page, Wikipedia as an encyclopedia is limited to articles (not pages) about people, places, companies, organizations, animal species, etc. that many people have in the past published articles about in reliable source media: books, newspapers, magazines, websites, etc. From what you created, Devendra Singh does not qualify. I left a note on your Talk page on how to delete the Rejected draft. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@Dreamsanuj1999 A comparatively minor point: the picture is probably not your own work, as you claimed when you uploaded it, unless you took the picture yourself with your own camera. David10244 (talk) 06:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
How do I upload an image I own the copyright for without waiving the copyright
I own the copyright for an image. Specifically a screencap of a vtuber avatar and I want to post it to Wikimedia commons without releasing any rights to the copyright on the avatar itself. Just allowing it to be used on future articles and my user page. Are there special licensing requirements I need to put on the page? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me)02:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@Immanuelle It was marked for deletion because the license was apparently set to "Wikipedia use only" or "non-commercial use only". Those licenses are not allowed. I don't think you can accomplish what you are trying to do. Did you design the avatar yourself? David10244 (talk) 06:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@David10244 I commissioned the avatar, so while I didn't make it myself I have full rights to it. My intention is to release the screencap into creative commons but not the avatar itself. I'm just not sure how that would work. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me)06:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Immanuelle. You continue to be the copyright holder for any image that you upload to Wikimedia Commons. It is just that you are freely licensing re-use of the image under extremely lenient terms and the only substantive right you retain is attribution when the image is re-used. If someone re-uses your image without attribution, they are in violation of your copyright. If they attribute the image to you, then they can re-use the image as they see fit. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Re article headed Tigris and Euphrates
This article needs a good map added to show the full length of the rivers,
including the borders of the countries through which they flow. A map is essential and could possibly replace some of the text. 175.35.221.209 (talk) 06:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. By posting here, you made an edit. Editing articles is done in a similar manner. Are there specific edits you are interested in making? 331dot (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I work for a doctor who has had a very long and impressive career. He has made many contributions to mental health and mind-body wellness, going back to the 70s. What would the criteria be for creating a page for him?
DDIAMO Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please review the paid editing policy and make the Terms of Use required disclosure on your user page. Please also read conflict of interest.
It's best to think about this as not "a page for" the doctor, but an article about him. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with sigificant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- such as the definition of a notable person. I'm sure that you and him think his contributions are important(and they may be, not saying otherwise) but Wikipedia is interested in what people wholly unconnected with the doctor think about his contributions.
If you have at least three independent reliable sources that discuss him and his significance, you may attempt to draft an article via Articles for Creation. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. We usually recommend that new users first edit existing articles to gain experience and knowledge, and using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well. You may want to consider if you are the best person to be doing this- the best indicator of notability is when wholly unconnected people take note of a topic in independent sources and choose to write about it. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for your reply. His career has been as a practicing physician and as an author. I will look into the peer reviewed journals, as I am not sure. DDIAMO (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@DDIAMO You should be looking for information that was written about him, in independent, reliably published sources. Be sure to read all of the information that 331dot linked. David10244 (talk) 06:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Is he the author of best-selling books? Is he in some way a celebrity doctor? Have people with no personal or business connection to him written about his contributions? David notMD (talk) 09:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, my mizu Wikipedia page, which I prepared for publication, still appears as a draft. It was suggested to change the bibliography in a question I directed here before, but I could not find a better bibliography. Is it possible for you to support the issue?
Hello, Denizaltunel. Your draft has a single reference to an overtly promotional website that appears to be regurgitating a company press release. Such a poorly referenced draft will never be accepted. Read and study Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to get a sense for what is required. Your draft is a very long way away from being acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 08:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
The short answer is "All of them." That Help Out section Cullen328 mentioned, with its list of articles that need various types of repair, may be daunting to a new editor. Another way is to start small: look at an article for which you are familiar with the topic. Read it. Are there factual errors? Facts that are not confirmed by references? A suggestion - the process of creating references is not simple. See Help: Referencing for beginners. Also use your Sandbox to create content and references, and only when satisfied, copy into the article. Wikipedia has a guideline at WP:BRD. Other editors may disagree with your changes and revert them. If you believe you were correct, start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
It is a harsh reality that you need to create the article from the sources, not write the article and then hope to find supporting material. There is an essay about this that you should read. Meanwhile, you may as well withdraw your draft from its current request for review, as the addition of just one more source since the last review will not be enough to have it accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Pyraminxsolver. The metadata is part of the uploaded file and was added by the software you used to make the file. If you make and upload a new version without your name in the metadata then the file page will no longer display your name but users can still download the old file versions in the file history and display the metadata with their own software. The name is in both versions. G7 at commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#General reasons says you can request speedy deletion of unused content within 7 days of upload. The original version is six days old so you have to make a request quickly if you want speedy deletion, and you have to remove the use in Colorado Springs nightclub shooting. I cannot delete Commons files. I don't think it's possible to hide metadata from a file page if the file has the data. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
The image appears to be local. I've implemented an executive decision to interpret this as a request to delete the file and remove it from the article. Pyraminxsolver can upload a new one if they wish. As mentioned below, most operating systems provide the ability to view or remove metadata before it's uploaded. You should absolutely do this. -- zzuuzz(talk)08:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
After getting that file deleted, if you want to try again, you should remove the metadata from the photo BEFORE you upload it. There are various tools and techniques for doing that. This page describes how to do it on a Windows computer. CodeTalker (talk) 05:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
To start, I'm sorry for answering questions that I shouldn't have and talking on user pages without permission. I think I appear immature and perpetually disrespectful with my actions. I promise I won't talk here again (unless asking a question) until I have made a major improvement to Wikipedia (500-1000 edit to article).
(P.S. Mentioning my name will be sent to my email. Please avoid doing so.)
Hi, I tried to make a request to change the title of the page (name of the company) old name: Genève Tiers-Monde to new name: emp'ACT but I got an error "Genève Tiers-Monde is invalid. Must create Genève Tiers-Monde before requesting that it be moved to Emp'ACT." Can anyone please assist me on what to do? TIA Lilou6923 (talk) 13:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello Lilou6923, and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems, that the article you mentioned exists only in French Wikipedia fr:Genève_Tiers-Monde. Your request to change the title should be directed there, as this is English Wikipedia. --Maresa63Talk13:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I recently submitted an article for review regarding the insurtech company bolttech.
The article was reviewed by User:TheChunky and following their generous feedback, I have updated the draft accordingly,with NPOV in mind. The updated draft can be found here - http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Bolttech
I'd be very appreciative if User:TheChunky or another editor could review the updated AfC and let me know any further feedback before I resubmit.
Good to see that you have declared your paid relationship. As it stands now, for Draft:Bolttech, refs 6-11 and 15-17 cover financing and acquisitions, and are not considered as instrumental in establishing notability. Ref #14 is the company website. Of the remaining references, which three or more do you consider as independent, reliable source, and provide at-length content about bolttech?
KateGeraghty, Draft:Bolttech gives an odd impression of the company. It states that it runs a cloud-based server which matches buyers and sellers of insurance risk. It's hard to see how this could require 1500 employees. Presumably it charges commission on the value of the deals it matches; but the draft doesn't mention this, let alone say how much commission. There's no mention of its turnover, let alone its profit. Most of the draft is about how it's raised money and spent that money on acquiring other companies. The reader gets the impression that it's not bothered about profit, it's only concerned with growth. Is that what you want readers to think? Maproom (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay, thank you for your quick response and advice regarding this AfC, I’m grateful for all your help and that I’ve received from the editorial community. I have outlined answers to your questions below –please do let me know if you’ve got any further thoughts.
Regarding sources, I believe the links below, all of which are referenced in the article match the criteria you have outlined. Each of these pieces have been published by reliable and well-read sources in the industry.
When drafting I have worked hard to follow the Wikipedia:Verifiability guidelines. Figures for turnover and profit are not in the public domain and therefore I have not included them in the article.
Given the context I have provided, do you recommend I resubmit the article for approval or are there further changes you would advise considering?
Thanks again for all your assistance – it’s much appreciated! - KateGeraghty
Last sentence of the third paragraph under Planning and Organization.
"He ordered chemicals from his hospital room when had been injured in a car crash – one of three accidents caused by Salameh in late 1992 and early in 1993."
It seems clear to me, even though there is obviously a "he" missing from ". . . when had . . .". It's saying (i) Salemah caused three car accidents in the period stated. (ii) Yousef (the "He") was injured and hospitalised in one of them. (iii) While in hospital, Yousef ordered chemicals. Perhaps (in addition to inserting "he") it could be rewritten so as to be clearer without losing any of the information included: feel free to be bold and do so, the worst that can happen is that your effort will be reverted and you can then discuss the problem with the reverter – that's how we arrive at concensuses here on Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 15:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Editing questions
I want everyone to understand I am not being critical about anything I ask. I am doing some research and only trying to help.
The shipwreck Alegrete, is posted both on 6/1/1942 & 6/2/1942.
Shipwreck Ben & Josephine and Acolus have the same Coordinates 6/3/1942.
Your comments (questions?) are near impossible to understand without context. Specifically, which existing articles are you disputing facts? Closest I got was that in Marcello-class submarine, the submarine Venicro was mentioned as being sunk 7 June 1942, no coordinates given, and that Italian submarine Zaffiro has an unreferenced mention that it was sunk June 1942, no date nor coordinates given. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
David I got this info off the Wikipedia June 1942 here are those transcripts
List of shipwrecks: 1 June 1942
Ship
Alegrete
Brazil
World War II: The cargo ship was torpedoed and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean (13°40′N 61°30′W) by U-156 ( Kriegsmarine). (Look 02/06/1942)
2 June[edit source]
List of shipwrecks: 2 June 1942
Ship
Alegrete
Brazil
World War II: The cargo ship (5,969 GRT, 1906) was torpedoed, shelled and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean (13°40′N 61°30′W) by U-156 ( Kriegsmarine). 19 crew were rescued by USS Tarbell ( United States Navy), the rest of her 64 crew reached land in lifeboats.
Sebastiano Veniero
Regia Marina
World War II: The Marcello-class submarine (1,063/1,313 t, 1938) was bombed and sunk in the Mediterranean Sea (38°21′N 03°21′E) in two separate attacks by RAF Catalina aircraft of 240 Squadron with all 58 hands.
Zaffiro
Regia Marina
World War II: The Sirena-class submarine (679/842 t, 1934) was bombed and sunk in the Mediterranean Sea (38°21′N 03°21′E) in two separate attacks by RAF Catalina aircraft of 240 Squadron with all 49 hands.
Deor Thank you for the list article. Helvie 123 In that list article, each sinking has one or more references. For Alegrete, according to the second ref for 2 June 1942, it states it was attacked shortly before midnight on 1 June, then sank hours later on 2 June. Given that information, my opinion is that the list can be revised so that Alegrete is no longer listed for both dates. David notMD (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Refreshing WP:WANTED
Hello;
I was looking to see which redlinks on the English Wikipedia are most common (i.e. the most-wanted pages on the site), but it seems that the most recent dump in WP:WANTED is several years old.
How might I go about finding statistics for the most-used redlinks in article space (possibly also ignoring templates and similar)?
@RudolfRed: Thanks for your suggestion, but it seems like that particular page isn't very well filtered. Does there exist a way to see the pages in article space with the most redlinks to them from other pages in article space? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeemDeem52 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@DeemDeem52:, User:Certes responded to this with a db query resulting in a long table with many results. Here are just a handful of them off the top of the list (limited to articles starting with 'A' or a digit, because the full query is too large):
Count of number of articles having a given red link (limited to '[A,0-9]' in first char.)
Article
Count
Andesite_Mountain_Bushveld
1513
1959_United_States_elections
1231
Association_of_Diving_Contractors_International
1225
1955_United_States_elections
1183
2022_San_Bernardino_mayoral_election
1179
1957_United_States_elections
1173
1939_United_States_elections
1170
1953_United_States_elections
1167
1933_United_States_elections
1159
1951_United_States_elections
1158
(skipping lots more rows with US elections articles)
Ayanambakkam
930
Agaramthen
930
Alamathi
930
Ayathur
930
Avurikollaimedu
929
Arakkambakkam
929
Attanthangal
929
Angadu
929
Aranvoyal
929
Athivakkam
929
Adayalampattu
929
Aathur,_Chennai
929
Anuppampattu
929
Andankuppam
929
Arumandhai
929
Azhinjivakkam
928
Athipet
928
1236_in_Ireland
818
1400_in_Ireland
818
1429_in_Ireland
818
1498_in_Ireland
818
1325_in_Ireland
817
1370_in_Ireland
817
1289_in_Ireland
817
1312_in_Ireland
817
(and so on...)
Further details can be found here (hundreds of rows). Note that the fact that some links (such as #1) are linked from one or two widely used templates rather than directly in articles may skew the results, if you're thinking about red links that are directly in the source of an article itself rather than imported via a template. Mathglot (talk) 23:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! This is pretty close to what I'm looking for (although admittedly it is true that the template uses do skew the results somewhat). DeemDeem52 (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
please why the way I cite before if I cute like that now its not doing. it show me citing error how can I cite source with ref name= like that when I put ref name= everything I put still show me citing error why please — Preceding unsigned comment added by DusFisher (talk • contribs) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@Symo711 As the player's manager, you need to disclose your paid relationship to him, as a mandatory part of Wikipedia's terms and conditions. Please read WP:PAID and take the necessary steps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@Symo711, you should still read WP:PAID - if you are receiving any benefits from your position as manager, you probably fall under that policy. In any case, you most definitely have a conflict of interest, which you must disclose per WP:COI. A statement on your user page (User:Symo711) is the usual and easiest way. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@199.208.172.35 Will try to do so as well, hopefully it will be helpful.
See Egypt national football team under Players, to see examples of how references are inserted in the text following the facts being confirmed. The software then inserts numbers in the text and shows the references in a References section. Click edit for any section that has references and you will see how references are created with full information, not just a URL. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry - it's my late (1949) great grandfather's page and I'm clueless
Hi-
I'm putting together a page for my late Great Grandfather (d. 1949). The page was rejected because I need more inline citations, not links.
I read the tutorials - but really not sure what to change. I included what I knew from the oral family history (all are dead and I'm the oldest in the great-grandchildren generation at 63). And I found a bunch of links, but they must be wrong. Big problem I'm having is that there is not much about California Mexican Americans in the early 20th century. This was systemic as most of their lives were marginalized.
Can someone give me a couple of ideas to start with. I'm not getting a clue from the tutorials. Sorry for my ignorance.
I am working hard to learn this, as I want to create my next page on my deceased grandmother (Enrique's daughter-in-law) who was a Latina (she called herself one of the Californios) concert pianist in 1925 Los Angeles. Sexism and racism buried most of her career, though I have some links through the Indianist Movement in Music.
sun2day, I think what you're doing is admirable, but I can't guarantee that your ancestors meet Wikipedia's strict requirements for notability. You have to provide several reliable sources that prove they're notable enough. Basically, that means you need to find several articles or books that talk about them. If these don't exist, then they probably don't qualify for Wikipedia articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
hi @*sun2day and welcome to the Teahouse! first off, you may want to read the Conflict of interest policy, as you are connected the one you're writing about. then make a disclosure of your CoI somewhere, like on your talk page.
unfortunately, you may not just add what you know to an article (or draft) you're writing in Wikipedia. everything has to be sourced somewhere or be common knowledge (we call this verifiability), since we'd like our readers to be able to go off and find the facts somewhere published and reliable when they would like to verify facts, whether it be through simply accessing a webpage or finding a book (or newspaper or journal) in a library to verify these facts themself.
while I cannot review articles nor check if sources are reliable enough for our standards (and by the way, reliable means published documents or articles from a reputable publisher or source), why not try and find sources that talk about your great-grandfather? are there any books (that are not their autobiography, if they have one) that details their life?
Hello, *sun2day. One of Wikipedia's core content policies is No original research. Article content needs to summarize what published reliable sources say about the topic. Every single thing you know only from the oral family history must be removed from the draft. You are correct that there was systemic racism against Mexican Americans in Southern California, but in the past half century, many Mexican American academics and other academics have worked to document the history of that community, and the Hollywood community has vast resources documenting the totality of the American film industry. So, "forget", as it were, what you have learned through family lore and focus instead on what published reliable sources say about your great-grandfather. Cullen328 (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello *sun2day. Did anyone in your family keep a scrap book of newspaper clippings on your great grandfather? An obituary would be a reference for basic information such as Acosta having a wife and children, plus the date of his death and where he was interned. If you could find film reviews where Acosta was mentioned in a positive light that would be useful. One film you don’t have in your article is the 1927 Buck Jones silent film Whispering Sage. (https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Dictionary_of_Silent_Film/VnGeCQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Enrique+Acosta&pg=PA2&printsec=frontcover takes you to Acosta’s short biography, listing the film.) You mention he was in The Cisco Kid Returns, but the actual name of the 1930 Gary Cooper film is The Texan.
Look for additional references about your great grandfather. I see that you’ve submitted it for review a second time, but you can continue to make improvements while waiting for the new review. Best wishes on your efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately - my late Father (his grandson), in the early stages of Alzhiemer's, destroyed all the family history except for a box of photos and a few articles, so I've been flying blind. But -- I did discover that there are so many references online that there were 20 years ago when I first started looking for info. It's startling. I'll check out the links you found. Thanks for finding my "Cisco Kid" mistake.
And to everybody who had responded -- I really appreciated your support.
@Davis Fan 99, welcome to the Teahouse. The type of citations is more important than the number. Slutz is a notable person in computer history, in the sense of notable as worthy of notice for his contributions. However Wikipedia's requirement for notability is that the person must already be well-known as shown by multiple publications which are at the same time in-depth, independent of the person and their organizations, and from a reliable publisher. This is very tricky to do for researchers and scientists who are not at academic institutions. We are usually unable to find sufficient sources to include people who work in industry and government organizations. The only source you have which strictly meets these requirements is the obituary in IEEE Antennas and Propagation Magazine. This does not mean that writing an article for him is impossible, just difficult. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Citations: indicating misspellings and information sources
Using VisualEditor how can I indicate a cited source has a misspelling and that its specific date (or other information) is from elsewhere, eg, a different language edition published at the same time? Mcljlm (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Mcljlm! If I understand correctly, there's an error in the otherwise-good source, and you're looking to make sure editors don't take the error from the source and put it into the article. Is that right?
I would do that in the form of a hidden comment, which will be visible to anyone editing. The markup for that is <!--comment-->. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk03:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
In the case which prompted my question the source title has preparatio while it's clear from quotes in the source's text that should be preparation. I'd like to include a visible indication that the error is in the source.
If the automatically generated citation does not include the publication date, you can just add it manually by switching over to the "manual" tab in the VisualEditor or adding e.g. |date=2023-3-3 in the source editor. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk16:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
We also have a template {{sic}} that generates a [sic] annotation. However note that the Manual of Style says However, insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected. CodeTalker (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Adding [n] or [sic] to preparatio results in them appearing in same mauve as the rest of the title. Is it possible for my addition to be in black so that someone searching for the document in a library catalogue or elsewhere will know how it may appear?
When entering the citation details I added the exact date in square brackets - [22] November 2021 - but when I checked to see how the citation would look it included{{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)" so I deleted them and currently (22 November 2021) appears following the author. Can I do anything so that ([22] November 2021) appears? Mcljlm (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mcljlm, I don't believe there's a way to do that, no. It's a very niche use case. You could try asking at WT:CS1, giving a link to the specific case you're working on. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk03:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
help
Is there a page for interesting obscure topics that cover issues in our society? (and random stuff that's just cool in general) Allaoiitalk21:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
On behalf of Jonathan Karp, I've submitted a few requests to update and improve his biography at Talk:Jonathan_Karp#2023_updates. Feedback has been limited, even using Template:Request edit. A couple of the requests are as simple as relocating existing text for organizational purposes, and there's an ongoing discussion over whether or not to credit the subject for his role as editor of select notable books.
Are any Teahouse editors able to take a look and offer feedback or update the article on my behalf? I avoid direct editing because of my conflict of interest. Thanks in advance for any assistance! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@inkian jason: edit requests are dealt with in no particular order, and someone will address it, but that could take up to 3 months and even longer than that. teahouse editors will likely not address edit requests. lettherebedarklight晚安05:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject
Do I need to be a member of a Wikipedia:WikiProject to start creating pages? Is it important to be a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography if I wanted to create a Biography? ~~~ DVDhume (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @DVDhume! Definitely not required or important to be a member of the project. Anyone is free to start drafting any article here. But creating one can be difficult, so it might be better to try out some other easier tasks first. And when you're ready to create an article, read Help:Your first article and pay careful attention to demonstrating notability in particular. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk04:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the response @Sdkb! So, what is the use of WikiProjects? Are they like forums? What are the conditions for membership? DVDhume (talk) 05:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@DVDhume, yeah, they're somewhat like forums. They're best used for discussions that affect many or all pages in the category, so e.g. at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography you'll find discussions that pertain to biography articles as a whole. There are no formal conditions for membership; any editor is free to jump into discussions there, and to add themselves to Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Members (although that list is regularly pruned to remove inactive editors). I should add that a lot of project pages, especially for more niche projects, are less active than they once were. If you post to one and don't get a response, you can always come here to get help. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk05:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
and created links to Wikipedia and outside references where needed. Do I ALSO need to put numbers and have references to these same links that show up at the bottom of the article? Rudimyers (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Rudimyers, an welcome to the Teahouse. External links such as you have used in the draft are not allowed in the article text because link locations change. Replace all of those with properly formatted references, and the numbered references will appear automatically in the reference section. The simplest way is
<ref>Author, Title, Web address if there is one, Publisher, Date, Pages</ref>.
With Visual Editor use Cite->Manual->Basic form, and the editor will add the <ref></ref> part for you. For other ways see Help:Referencing for beginners and the reference sections at Help:Introduction.
@Rudimyers Part of what @StarryGrandma wrote there might be misleading. The parts of a "ref" are not separated with commas -- at least, I have never seen that format. instead, please see the "referencing for beginners" link that she provided, for more details. David10244 (talk) 06:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@StarryGrandma Ah, I didn't know this. I have not seen this used in any Wikipedia articles, or in any instructions (before your post), but that might have just been my luck of the draw. Now I know. Thanks for educating me. David10244 (talk) 07:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors don't make logos. They find actual logos, examine their copyright status, and, if the status is satisfactory, upload a logo and then add it to an article or draft. There's no point doing that for a draft, as a draft won't necessarily ever become an article. You'd better concentrate on making the draft demonstrate that its subject meets notability criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@David notMD These look like run-of-the mill shopping malls. There is some published information, but is the topic (of any of them) encyclopedic? If I wanted to know something about a mall, I would use a Web search engine. David10244 (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
David10244 Do shopping malls deserve articles? Shopping mall defines a super shopping mall as 74,000-140,000 sq meters, and mega malls as >140,000 sq meters. It includes a list of the 50 largest in the world - all >250,000 - the majority of which are existing articles, including seven SM malls in the Phillipines. Furthermore, Lists of shopping malls is sorted by country, with lists within countries, and many malls, including smaller than super, are subjects of articles. David notMD (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@David notMD I see that there are articles on these malls, and maybe they are notable. It just seems, to me, that a shopping mall is a weird subject for an encyclopedia, even if a reliable source has written something about the mall. But if these are really notable, so be it... I have been wrong before! David10244 (talk) 07:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
A query related to Indian article
Most of us when search Indian we meant India’s peoples and colloquially India’s peoples are known as Indians.
So, I have some requests:
1. Move Indian to India (disambiguation).
@Gorav Sharma Hmmmm... what do you mean by "most of us"? Do you mean most of the hundreds of thousands of users who search on Wikipedia, from all countries and cultures? How would you actually know what "most" of them are looking for? Not trying to be harsh, but you don't really know... David10244 (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Gorav Sharma. The problem with your comparison between "Americans" and "Indians" is that the first term is unambiguous and that usage pretty much always refers to citizens of the United States. On the other hand, "Indians" is ambiguous and can certainly refer to citizens of India or also to the indigenous Native Americans in the United States. This is a linguistic curiosity going back to the days of Christopher Columbus but it is very real in everyday usage. The United States has more native English language speakers by far than any other country, and in the US and many other countries, the term "Indian" remains ambiguous, and resolving ambiguity is the purpose of disambiguation pages. Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
It's one of those truly huge ambiguities, given that it's balancing two enormously populous and influential countries. But it's an ambiguity which has given rise to the odd smile. For example, there was a company of electricians in London a while back, whose van proclaimed (names changed to avoid commercial stuff and because I can't remember anyway) "Gupta and Patel Electricians: You've tried the Cowboys, now try the Indians!". Elemimele (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I understand. Definitely not gonna repeat it. I’m still learning, joined just 5 months ago and thought I’m the first to notice it. My mistake, I apologise. BTW, thanks to all of you for responding. Gorav Sharma TALK15:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@Gorav Sharma I see that you apologized -- it's OK; vigorous discussion is healthy. I did not intend to be harsh; I apologize for that. And Cullen328 is right, as usual -- there are no easy answers. David10244 (talk) 07:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia photo licence
For a [|wikipedia photograph] the [|source information] says date = ca 1965. The Wikipedia license picked was {{PD-US-expired}/} - published before 1923, which is clearly wrong. The photo appears to not be public domain. The source wants a picture credit (Minnesota Historical Society) and would like information like Picture Number be accessible (both provided). What is the right Wikipedia license? BudKey (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, but Non-free use is a "last resort" and is not needed. The source, the Minnesota Historical Society, allows many photos, including this one, to be used if
the Minnesota Historical Society and the photo Creator (in this case none is known) must be credited
would like a link to the MNHS source
and would like information like Picture Number be available.
And the use must be non-commercial, which MNHS thinks Wikipedia is.
All these conditions have been met and the photo available on their website can be used (and used for any other use that meets these qualifications). There must be a less drastic Wikipedia licence. BudKey (talk) 15:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
@BudKey: A non-free use rationale is needed, as the license given by the MHS is solely for non-commercial use, which is not a valid license for Wikipedia. – dudhhrtalkcontribs (he/they) 15:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
So an image that the MHS says I can use cannot be used.
It is impossible to say "there is no free equivalent" so the image is no longer used.
Since it is not used it must be deleted ("One-article minimum").
@BudKey "So an image that the MHS says I can use cannot be used". The MHS says that you can use the image non-commercially, but that doesn't mean it can be used here.... David10244 (talk) 07:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
BudKey, a properly freely licensed photo on any Wikimedia website can be re-used for any purpose whatsover, explicitly including commercial uses. People can use these images to illustrate books, t-shirts, posters, coffee mugs and mouse pads and any other moneymaking scheme you can imagine. The only requirement is that the re-user properly attribute the source of the image. Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Wizz Air
Hello ,
Thank you for your message about my wizz air edit.
Wizz air are terminating flights to Moldova on the 14th March 2023 but I am struggling to edit to look the part with the same colours.
The suspension is on wizz air website and has been reported on a reliable sources such as BBC and Sky news and my own primary source as I flew on one of Wizz Air last Moldova route the day before yesterday .
The place to discuss this (with a link to a reliable source) is the talk page of whichever article you wish to update, but it is only March 7th now. Why not wait until the 14th? Shantavira|feed me12:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Arch496 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I looked into your edit history to see why you asked this question- you added "I go to this school" to an article. That's not constructive because(among other reasons) encyclopedia articles are not for adding personal statements about ourselves. An encyclopedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources that can be verified say about the topic.
Edits are constructive when they benefit the encyclopedia in some way. It could be fixing the spelling of a word, removing vandalism, or adding a well sourced piece of information that was missing. I might suggest that you use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia, what we do here, and how we do it. 331dot (talk) 12:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello 331dot, thankyou for welcoming me. I realise now how i could work on making my edits more constructive and i will now make sure i have a source before i edit things. I will have a look at the new user tutorial.
Dispute over anon users who undo edits on articles without explanation
Despite providing lengthy explanations for edits and reversion, changes I've made as an anonymous user on specific multinational topics (mainly Sino-Portuguese architecture and Sook Ching), attempting to expand to other countries with citations, seem to be undone by equally anonymous editors without reason so the topics' scope remain confined to a specific country, like it's gatekept by people with vested interests.
This is has been extremely frustrating, but I'm not too keen to escalate into a edit war. Are there proper channels to deal with a situation like this? 60.53.21.246 (talk) 11:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing to do is attempt to discuss this issue with the other editors involved, on the article talk page to reach a consensus. If that fails, move to dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Because IP addresses change over time, the only evidence for a revert of your editing is at Sook Ching. Going forward, registering an account will show all your edits in one place. The dispute at Sook Ching appears to be mostly that you were inserting alternative spellings of how place names are shown, for example changing Johor Bahru to Johore Baharu. If articles exist with alternative spellings, then the existing article name is preferred. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
How to see the "Ref list" for an entry and edit it?
Bh5unhedu Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reflist merely compiles the references in the article. You have to locate the reference in the article itself, this can usually be done by clicking either the arrow or letters that precede the actual reference. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
building site-template?
Sounds funny, but is meant seriously: in German, when we do write an article in our space, we can enter a template stating "Baustelle" - this gives the info that this article is not yet part of wikipedia, but is work in progress... does the English wikipedia also have a template that functions like this? Kind regards, Naomi Hennig (talk) 14:30, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't have words enough to praise you people here... everytime i have a question, i get an answer within no time. This is really wonderful. And yes, that's exactly what i was looking for!!! Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Setting up a Wikipedia Page for a public figure
Hi, I am currently an assistant for a public figure and he is wanting a wikipedia page created for himself as he is very notable within Australia. Can someone please help me on how I get this done! I have all the information required for the page I just need to know how to have it created Topherfield (talk) 03:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
First, Wikipedia has articles, not pages. All facts in an article about a living person must be verified by reliable source references. See WP:42 and WP:BLP for some guidance on notability. David notMD (talk) 04:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Paid editors are expected to have basic competence. Yes, this is unfair to new editors, but Wikipedia has a long and sordid history of undeclared paid editing, so the bias remains. Either in your Sandbox or in a draft, start with creation of properly formated references that meet the reliable and independent requirements described in WP:42. Only then, create content verified by those references. If you cannot find at least three valid references, no potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
At the risk of piling on, Topherfield, the activity of setting up a page is something you do on social media. This is not social media. The corresponding activity here is writing an encyclopaedia article. Such an article should be a neutral summary (including both the good and the bad) of what independent sources say about a subject. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Can we remove sponsorship
The articles Women's Premier League description says “also known as TATA WPL for sponsorship reasons”. But these are seasonal sponsorships, then how the name can be on main article? And for this reason I deleted sponsorship part from WPL article. But then RSGCinverted my edit with the description “ Not at all, sponsorship rights r always awarded for a period, this perticular line changes after sponsor changed.” and I tried to contact him using talk page but he didn’t reply for 2-3 Hrs and I reverted their revert of my edit. Then after 4 Hrs he again revered my edit with warning on my talk page. So I replied him this but then I came to know that he has changed that edit to this before my reply. And now from nowhere I got another [15] warning from him without any edit and the edit link provided is invalid. And a suggestion comes which redirects to my old revert.
So I have 2 queries:
1. Does seasonal sponsorship names also need to mention on main article heading?
2. My allegations against RSGC
a. Why didn’t he replied me on his talk page?
b. Why I’m getting false warnings even after apologising if I have done something against Wikipedia guidelines? Gorav Sharma TALK10:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I would like to add one more point.
As User:X201 mentioned in reverted edit, I should have given him some time. Yes I should do, but RSGC is merely active on talk page. Last time he was active is February 14 where he deleted first time article allegation, article move notice and a block evasion allegation and response. I waited just for 3 Hrs because there are less chances that he would reply me as last time he replied to someone is Feb 8 and I was right, even after 8 hrs he haven’t responded. Gorav Sharma TALK11:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
The league articles are about all the notable things happened in history of league. And for seasonal content we have separate articles for each season in most of cases. Even if we have to use sponsorship part, we can write it “currently known as” instead of “also known as” because also known as shows that, in past league was also known with that name. I think Wikipedia need to look into matter if not discussed before. Gorav Sharma TALK16:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I just realised that this is an article and not a draft. Good job on getting it accepted then. It does not need to be reviewed now that it has been published. Club On a Sub 20(talk)16:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
RoyalHeritageAlb Because you have been editing existing articles for months, you were within your rights to create Zaho Koka directly rather than submitting a draft to Articles for creation for a review. It still will be examined via New Pages Patrol within the next few months, and there is a possibility that the NPP reviewer will move it back to draft status if improvments are seen as needed. Otherwise, you are welcome to improve the article yourself, as are any editors who see it. I did some light copyediting. David notMD (talk) 17:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! Still this was my first time on creating an article from scratch with the proper technical methods. Also wanted to understand if i forgot some crucial parts on article creating (one of them being the categories which i forgot to put at first) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalHeritageAlb (talk • contribs) 17:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not Professor and I am not a programmer, I just like Musik and want to write an article on my favorite music player Claudia Antonelli. SilkeWiki (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. It's good to go into it with some knowledge; have you used the new user tutorial? An article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about the topic, and show how the topic meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability, such as the definition of a notable musician. Please read that definition and tell us how your favorite player meets it. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I guess, it is only old wise men here, you know what do do. But Wiki should be open to everyone! I am 38 and I feel excluded! SilkeWiki (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
no it should be very easy! I published a book recently, but this here is just horrible! Perhaps you can edit my article... you seem to be experienced.... SilkeWiki (talk) 16:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I would respectfully disagree, there is such a thing as being too easy to do something. It would be like saying it should be easy to build a house. Well, it could be, if you don't mind it falling down on you later, or not complying with local laws. There are reasons things are the way they are. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not knowledgable of this person, and do not have the time to make the effort. The best person to write about the subject you want is you. You seem to have a sense of urgency here- slow down, take your time. There is no deadline. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, SilkeWiki, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm sorry you're finding it frustrating, but as a musician would you say "I just want to play a violin concerto, but everything is so complicated?" No, you would understand that there is a lot to learn, and to go slowly before you try the bigger task. ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@SilkeWiki Please read this essay and you'll realise that we base the whole of Wikipedia on what has been said about a topic in reliable sources. I Googled the name Claudia Antonelli and found very little that appeared useful. You presumably have sources in mind that can be used but it is up to you incorporate them in your draft. Teahouse host just advise on the how and rarely become co-authors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
SilkeWiki, your reasoning seems to be that that if only your draft was polished enough by an experienced editor, it would be accepted. That is incorrect. Articles are only accepted if they are about "notable" subjects. That is a property of the subject of the article, not of the article itself.
Currently your article does nothing to demonstrate that this person is "notable" by Wikipedia’s definition of the term. Therefore, helping you polish the draft is likely a lot of wasted work, if it ends up deleted anyway.
Currently, there are three thousand articles in Category:Pending AfC submissions. Among those, a large fraction have sources that at least indicate a hope that the subject is notable. There are many more people asking for help editing their drafts than editors willing to do so, hence reviewers choose (entirely reasonably) to work on those that look best. In its current state, yours would be at the bottom of the pile if you chose to submit it for review. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact)16:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@SilkeWiki: You don't seem to understand that she is not "a great woman" because you think so. She may be talented, she may be a virtuoso, her music may be wonderful. However, to merit a Wikipedia article, she or her music needs to be written about, in detail, by reliable sources that are independent of her. That is the policy. There are probably millions of people who are considered "great" in some circles, but they absolutely cannot have Wikipedia articles until they receive significant coverage from independent reliable sources. That point isn't negotiable, that is the bedrock principle on which Wikipedia was created.
It has been rejected based on the reliability of sources and I've tried to initiate a conversation with the various reviewers but have gotten no responses. I'm trying to determine which sources are good and which aren't (e.g. imdb). In most cases the information cited exists in multiple sources, some of which are physical sources (credits on albums, films, etc) and I'm trying to narrow down what I need to do to get the article published.
One important thing to keep in mind is that they have to be "independent" sources. This means that if Mike Sawitzke was in any way involved with the creation of that source or he knew the people that created the source, then it doesn't count to prove he's notable enough to be included on Wikipedia. This means that credits don't count. Ideally, you'd want to find articles about him from reputable websites or news outlets. You have to prove that he's notable enough for people to write about. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Diggida, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, not a single one of the current sources meets the criterion of having significant coverage of Sawitzke, and therefore not one of them contributes towards establishing notability. Most of them are also not independent, as Thebiguglyalien says. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@Diggida: Your article wasn't rejected, it was declined. The difference is, a rejection is a judgment that it is not suitable for Wikipedia and you should give up on it. On the other hand, if a reviewer declines it, that means it could be acceptable with improvements.
Please review Wikipedia:Golden rule to understand what is required in the way of sources.
Also, look at WP:MUSICBIO and explain which of those criteria Mike Sawitzke meets. It looks to me he might meet criterion #6. That is probably why the reviewers didn't reject your draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that ever since the pandemic, infobox photos for articles are constantly changing, even when the photo that was changed was previously there for several years without change (and sometimes fixing something that wasn't broken in my opinion). Should we do something about that? Even if we can't do a policy-wide thing, then I'll just leave this post as a mere advisory. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 03:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Yourlocallordandsavior. You would need to submit a detailed statistical analysis showing that there was a dramatic increase in the frequency of infobox image changes that began with the COVID-19 pandemic, and more importantly, that the changes were as a whole detrimental to the encyclopedia. I remain unconvinced that this is really "a thing", but if it is, there could be relatively benign explanations. For example, many celebrities were unable to appear in public for a long time during the pandemic, and may have been looking for a wide variety of ways to enhance their visibility. And perhaps some people around the celebrity said, "Your Wikipedia biography has a crappy, outdated portrait photo. Let's upload a much better, current, freely licensed photo." If that is the case, then the encyclopedia is better off for it. Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
as a developer would say, it's not a bug, it's a feature. could be a really bad one, but a feature nonetheless. see Vector 2022 for more on this change. happy editing!
as a sidenote, in my opinion I won't go to say it's absolutely horrible, but I just don't like it that much since it leaves out a lot of whitespace, and I'm personally a fan of dense webpages. it's decent on mobile (which is funny because you're put into a different skin in mobile), but I wouldn't personally use it all the time 💜 melecie talk - 03:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
How to take action against people (new users) misusing Wikidata?
What action can be taken if the information already in Wikidata is completely deleted and a new user fills his information in its place? How can we block them? Induvadhone (talk) 06:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Induvadhone, I am thoroughly familiar with English Wikipedia but completely unfamiliar with Wikidata. They are separate projects. I went to their home page and found this help page. Maybe you can find what you are looking for there. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Jayneelyn Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The vast majority of what you wrote is unsourced. You need to cite wherever you are getting this information from. The three sources that you did provide seem to just document the existence of his work. We need independent reliable sources- sources not related to Mr. Kelly or his associates- that chose to write about him with significant coverage and describe how he his important or influential.
The only exception I knew of was the Minecraft Wiki, which until a few months ago was designated "official" with Mojang's blessing initially, until Microsoft (which aquired Mojang) objected to that designation last year. At this time I know of no such Fandom wiki that retains such a status. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
didn't the Minecraft wiki still have no editorial oversight then and just subject to the whims of wiki editors even when it was considered official? like, there was no rigorous process of fact-checking the game, its code, or dev messages before an edit is published, it just gets published when an editor presses the publish button there? 💜 melecie talk - 04:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Adding page numbers to a cited book without an author
Good afternoon Teahouse hosts. The article James Thin (bookseller) contains five references to a certain book (in the third footnote). I would like to add the relevant page numbers to these references. In the past, I have done it like this:
<ref name="Cant">{{cite book |last1=Cant |first1=Malcolm |title=Sciennes and the Grange |date=1990 |publisher=John Donald Publishers |location=Edinburgh |isbn=0-85976-253-X |pages=34–35}}</ref>
for the first reference. And then
{{sfnp|Cant|1990|pages=36-38}}
for subsequent references.
However, I understand that the {{cite book}} template requires at least one author's name to be present, in the last1 and first1 parameters. But in this case, the relevant book does not have any authors (or, rather, the author's name is not available in the bibliographic data). Is there any way of handling this? Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mike Marchmont: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1182. Does the template really require last1 and first1? I'm looking at the examples in the documentation and the first two don't appear to have trouble handling the lack of those parameters. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Authors are not mandatory in the cite book and you can use |author=<!--Note why not available--> if you like to say why you have not added one. Also the template {{rp}} is an alternative method of citing page numbers, which personally I prefer to {{sfnp}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for all those replies, which are very helpful. I'll experiment with the use of {{cite book}} without the first and last name parameters. I'll also consider using {{rp}}, although personally I have never liked the way that looks in articles (don't ask me why; just a personal thing). And Cullen328, many thanks for pointing me towards that book, which I hadn't seen before. Regardless of this particular query, it looks like a useful source of information for other articles. Mike Marchmont (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
image size
I am having a problem with the size of an image. I know you need px after and I added that but it is still extremely big. I have tried many different px values, but they dont work. You can see the problem on my SandboxPalauanReich (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@PalauanReich: Hello Palauan! The issue was that you were linking to the image using [[File:FILENAME.ext]] rather than simply putting the name of the image there. The reason is that the infobox is supposed to automatically size the image correctly when you just put the name in there, however when you link it the template is unable to do so as the image will simply just ignore whatever parameters are attempting to be applied ot it. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
No problem! When you use an image outside an infobox, to size it correctly you simply style it as [[File:FILENAME.ext|XXpx]] with "XX" being the size of the image in pixels (or at least, I think that's what px is short for). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@PalauanReich Note that the use of pixel (px) to force a particular size of image is not always the best way to do things. This is explained in full detail at H:PIC, where the use of a parameter called "upright" can often be better because it works in a wider range of readers' devices. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Formality isn't really necessary on talk pages from what I know. This whole question could be written in barely recognizable 1337 doggolingo with JoeyJoey's Zany Shenanigan lines sprinkled in for all anyone would care. But to what extent does that apply to edit summaries?
For example, if someone were to find an article and fix its however many typos (and other writing mistakes), but then have "this article,s grammer kidnapped my lawyer, ate my homework and stubbbed my toe so, i chanegd it" as the summary, would there be any real problem with that? cogsan (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh, fair enough. I thought it might have been okay if the edit was constructive and the summary actually made sense if you ignored the joke parts.
But I guess it could maybe probably be considered a problem if someone made barely noticeable edits and used the Bee Movie script as a summary. cogsan (talk) 20:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Inappropriate use of jokes and other nonsense shows a lack of courtesy to other editors, many of whom are not fully fluent in English nor familiar with obscure cultural references. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
This response is isn't really all that helpful. WP:SUMMARYNO states this: "be careful of what you write in edit summaries. Inappropriate edit summaries may be used as evidence against you in behavioral complaints. This applies particularly to uncivil and deliberately misleading edit summaries." An edit summary like the example you provided is completely inappropriate as it is deliberately misleading. Another issue is that ridiculous edit summaries like that are often used by vandals and/or trolls and will often be an immediate red flag for recent changes patrollers. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:58, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Piroozi678 Hello. We cannot help you with issues on the German Wikipedia, which is a separate project from this one, with its own editors and policies. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I recently tried to publish my first article about a musician and it was subsequently deleted and moved to a draft. I tried my best to provide citations from well known sources and I’m not sure I know how to improve it at this point. I would greatly appreciate the help of experienced editors!
You have been working on Draft:Magon (musician) and its related French article pretty much as the only thing you have contributed to Wikipedia. This has given some editors the impression that you have an undeclared personal relationship with him: see WP:COI and WP:PAID for the policies around that. Irrespective of your relationship, the draft need to show that Magon meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable musician. The suggestion on your Talk Page that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not sufficient: you have to demonstrate that the criteria are met by the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I speak Spanish and i want to use sources in Spanish for citations in the article "Partido Autentico" But this is an article on the English Wikipedia. Am I allowed to use sources in Spanish to cite an English Wikipedia article? Blitzfan51 (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Blitzfan, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can use non-English sources if there are not English sources of equal quality. See WP:NONENG. ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Sandbox
Hi there,
I was doing my first article in sandbox and clicked publish. I then moved it to draft but I think i moved the entire sandbox, now when I try and edit articles, it does not allow me to see the sandbox/preview sections, or any of the codes. Can anyone help? Crumbsx (talk) 15:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I still cannot edit correctly, which is my main issue. Before when I clicked edit article, it would show me everything, such as code links, full refernces, but now it does not and just shows the article as it appears normally Crumbsx (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
"This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject." CP Bhambhu (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@CP Bhambhu Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! You can continue editing your article in the meantime, but please take care in reading the policies. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:14, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
The specific problems with your draft include the way it is referenced, using bare URL and its WP:TONE. We should never say that someone has "a passion for doing something big" unless that were a direct quote. That sort of language is not encyclopaedic. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to know if I can create an article about a secondary school (not my school) that isn't very well-known? Thanks, Dinoz1(chat?)16:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Quick Question. I am making a table for the Serasan District page and the first village is on the right for some reason. How would i fix this? The table is on my sandboxPalauanReich (talk) 17:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I have posted a question to the Help Desk about Wikipedia’s policy on which sources to use and how to include ancestry charts on articles of historical figures. I haven’t received any replies. Can you help please? Thank you. CMD007 (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Those are not replies. They’re comments from a user trying to silence me. My original questions haven’t been answered: where do we find the written policies and what are they? That user is edit warring and trying to use his double standards to intimidate me out of editing ancestry charts. All I want is a fair answer that has nothing to do with him. He doesn’t write policy. He claims consensus has been reached while on this talk page you can see 3 out of 5 or 6 users have asked about an RFC. How do we start one? Thank you. CMD007 (talk) 20:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, and if I request an RFC is that considered bludgeoning or forum shopping? Is asking any question on strictly policy such? I’ve never been shown where the rules are that say two similar articles use two different standards when it comes to sources. I’ve been editing for some time, but never needed to ask why there is bias toward one article and a completely similar article (listed on that user’s user page) is allowed to keep the exact chart. This is strictly about policy. CMD007 (talk) 20:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Also, bludgeoning is considered such when you want an answer according to your own wishes, correct? I just want AN answer. And I would think that particular answer would suffice for all such articles, right? Either there is a standard for keeping ancestral charts or there is not. Either one type of source (biographical) or another (any source) is needed for all, correct? Thank you for the link to RFC, but is there also a link to the answer to the original question? CMD007 (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Your expectation of consistency among a large number of articles is unrealistic, CMD007. The current state of affairs is that whether or not to include these ancestry charts is decided through consensus on an article-by-article basis. Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your responses and time, I totally agree that it is unrealistic. (If 8,000 articles contain them, why not leave them all?) If I bring this up in a hugely popular article like talk page Charles III and the consensus is to leave it, then that means the types of sources they’re using for his ancestry chart can also be used in similar articles, no? (Remember I don’t care either way). Is that situation what the RFC would be about? (Consensus, depending on who is there at the moment, can still unfairly exclude one article but green light another similar article? That would not be a site-wide policy issue?) I have read the discussion at talk:Ahnentafel, and there is nothing concrete in there, they left off on a “break”. CMD007 (talk) 21:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
The last quote on that talk page is “but I see no reason to delete the latter in the mean time because they are still normally harmless, and often even a bit useful”. Where is the consensus? Yes, I’ve received that advice loud and clear, and am now on to get straightforward answers.CMD007 (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
If 5 or 10 editors, or any number, start discussions on article talk pages and they are met with stifling opposition, shouldn’t it be better to have a policy on this so that doesn’t happen? From experience I can neither add a chart, nor delete a chart (the last one I deleted had a reason as to why and I explained it). It cannot be both ways. We need a policy. How do we do that? CMD007 (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@CMD007: If you want to get an existing policy modified, propose your change on the appropriate policy talk page. If you want to get a new policy adopted, then draft one, preferably with help from others in the community, and present it at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for further discussion and gaining consensus. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@Anachronist: Thank you so much for that information. My other issue, since my original question, is where is that policy? I can’t find it. If there is a policy, I’d like to know what it is before trying to change it, as I don’t know what needs modifying or addressing. If there is no policy, and a talk page with no consensus, how can their reverts of my edits be binding? (edits both for and against inclusion). I really tremendously appreciate your information and help, thank you!! CMD007 (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@CMD007: If you can't find a relevant policy, then as you mentioned above you could also start an RFC on an article talk page where the issue has come up. See WP:RFC for an explanation of the process. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
@Anachronist: When you say to come up with a policy “preferably with help from others in the community”, how can I do that without being accused of canvassing? Also, if I present it at the talk page, I will only get more of the same comments from the same two users. How do I get a broad amount of unbiased users involved? I have no idea where to start. There are disputes, proposals, policy idea labs, etc. My only aim is to precisely clarify the policy on inclusion/exclusion of ancestral charts and the types of sources needed for them, to avoid future disputes. CMD007 (talk) 03:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@CMD007: if it were up to me? I'd have all ancestry trees deleted. Or at the very least, limited to 'person - parents - grandparents'. But, it's not up to me. GoodDay (talk) 23:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I’m not for or against it. I merely am after a policy so that IF we delete them or IF we add them, it will not be met with what it has been met with. CMD007 (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
You have been told what the policy is. The policy is to decide on a case-by-case basis. Cullen328 told you so, and that indeed is the outcome of the discussion at Template talk:Ahnentafel. The article on Charles III containing a template does not mean that the article on Maximilian I should, and that is no conspiracy. Surtsicna (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
How to fix article blurb that shows up in Google search results?
Hello, I notice that when I googled Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, the Wikipedia Google search results contains slurs and inappropriate language, even though the article seems to have been edited to only use appropriate language. It is unacceptable to have such language about a representative. Is this something that can be fixed in Wikipedia or is it a Google problem? I am not including a screenshot as I don't want to repeat that language, but you can see for yourself if you google her and and look at the blurb under the Wikipedia result. Thanks in advance. Lilia ha (talk) 18:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Lilia ha, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, this is a Google problem; assuming that the article itself has been fixed, it's not anything that we have control over on this end. Hopefully, it should be resolved soon. Writ Keeper⚇♔18:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@Lilia ha: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1182. I did a quick Google search and everything seems to be fine in the Knowledge Panel that I'm looking at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@Lilia ha, what I see is "Ayanna Soyini Pressley is an American politician who has served as the U.S. representative for Massachusetts's 7th congressional district since 2019. This district includes the northern three quarters of Boston, most of Cambridge, parts of Milton, as well as all of Chelsea, Everett, Randolph, and Somerville." AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Lilia ha a racist vandal attacked this and several other biographies. The vandal is blocked, the article is semi-protected for two weeks, and Google has cleaned up its knowledge panel. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
(Italian) Image copyright help needed
I want to use an undated Italian Image that goes back to the 40s in an article, I, however, can't find any info on it. I've emailed practically every relevant organization and received no answer. It's here in the official blog of the Library of Scandicci, immediately under the heading of "Tosca Bucarelli", the image of a woman standing. I emailed the library but received no response. Can a copyright expert help me out on this? 〜Festucalex: talk • contribs05:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Festucalex. The image is not old enough to conclude that it is likely in the public domain. 95 years old is the standard in the United States where the Wikimedia Foundation is headquartered. You need to assume that the image is still copyright protected, unless you can find solid evidence to the contrary. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Incidentally, @Festucalex, that image seems to be of Tosca Bucarelli [it]. If we had an article about her here on the English Wikipedia (your Draft:Tosca Bucarelli Martini seems relevant), we could include that picture as fair-use. I don't know what the rules are for that on the Italian Wikipedia but you could ask there. Note that you have to wait for your article to be in mainspace before adding an image as fair use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I wrote a draft article page in Wikipedia about the company Green Oleo. I put it on submittion but it is declined. But I don't understand why. I need some help to improve the page. So I ask help. This is the link of the draft: Draft:Green Oleo .
And you must be on another planet if you think this is neutral tone..."a company that is making a positive impact on the environment by utilizing renewable sources and reducing waste. Its innovative approach to production and commitment to sustainability make it a standout in the green chemistry industry." Theroadislong (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@Pamela344: You are welcome to try again after you have reviewed WP:Golden rule and WP:NPOV, neither of which you seemed aware of when you wrote your first draft. Wikipedia is not a PR or publicity channel, and must never be used for that purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Convert google citations
Please adapt the following reference for me to be accepted by Wiki. I've added an extra "o" to create "gooogle" to be accepted for this edit
"url=https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwje483Q08z9AhXPFjQIHYOEAZgQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Farcabc.ca%2Fislandora%2Fobject%2Ftru%253A158%2Fdatastream%2FPDF%2Fdownload%2Ftru_158.pdf&usg=AOvVaw28T3G4RiBsTpyJdDqbGpRc" DMBanks1 (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @DMBanks1, this seems out of character. Looking at that link it seems very much like a harmful website. While this edit seems unlike something you would do. I myself am currently very pissed off for clicking that link. Pretty sure I've compromised something. Haha. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! @Shushugah, I was wondering whether or not you accessed that link on your own personal device. When I clicked on it it cycled me through a variety of web addresses with sketchy looking drawn out names before depositing me on a webpage for different cannabis related products. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I just clicked on that link out of curiosity. Stupid of me. It took me to a page of advertising that I couldn't get out of. Clicking the browser's Back button just took me to more dubious pages. So be warned. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Rejected page because it's similar to another page
Hello! I'm attempting to write a page (Draft:Cumulative dis-advantage) and was rejected because it's too similar to the Matthew Effect. While the Matthew Effect was primarily used to examine science and publishing, Cumulative Dis/Advantage is a theory often used in the field of Life Course research within sociology and is distinct in its connection to the increasing differentiation with age within cohorts. I'm looking for suggestions on how to make the Cumulative Dis/Advantage wiki stand apart from the Matthew Effect, since they are mostly used in different fields. If anyone has any ideas or tips, I would be most grateful!
Hi @Micaharafah, your draft has actually been declined, as opposed to being rejected  which is different! Since your draft has just been declined. You can still edit and improve it. A draft that has been rejected is held to much stricter standards. And can generally not be edited. What I believe you need to do is devote a section in your article about the differences between the two. And if that cannot be proved by various Reliable sources then you might just have to include your information in the matthew effect article. MTFBWYA - AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 18:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
I agree with Ackbar. Also, on Wikipedia, you need to add inline sources. So you need the sources in the text as opposed to at the bottom of the articles. You already have inline citations. See WP:INCITEPalauanReich (talk) 19:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
The draft would be easier to follow if it stated what the theory claims in its first paragraph rather than its third. Maproom (talk) 23:44, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, The Activator. You need to be much more specific. Which photo? Did you take it? Did you find it on Wikimedia Commons? Did you find it it on the internet? What year was it taken? What does it show? What do you know about its copyright status? That will enable us to give you an accurate answer. Cullen328 (talk) 01:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
If you are Eric Bailey, it would be better to think of it as an article about you and not "your page". You should not edit it directly, but you may propose edits on the talk page as edit requests. The easiest way to add an image of yourself is to take a selfie and upload it through WP:FFU. 331dot (talk) 01:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh sorry. I am trying to update my page will current information. I want to add my own profile picture to my page and information. My name is Eric Bailey. I am a motivational speaker. Try to update my page simular to Eric Thomas Motivational speaker. The Activator (talk) 01:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi The Activator. I've added some general informtation to your user talk page that applies to your situation. The words in blue are links to pages containing more detailed information. As was pointed out by 331dot, the Wikipedia article written about you is not really yours in the sense that you have any final editorial control over the content of the page; it's also not a place for you to try and promote yourself or your activities. Article content will be assessed on whether it complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. While I understand your desire to update the page, the best way for you to go about doing so would be to propose changes on the article talk page using edit requests as explained here and here. Others responding to your requests will assess the changes to see whether they satisfy relevant policies and guidelines. Please keep in mind that pretty much all Wikipedia article content is expected to be verifiable and the best way this is done if by providing citations to reliable sources in support. So, please make sure that when you make an edit request, you also provide information about the reliable source that supports the changes you're proposing. Finally, I've also added some information to your user talk page about Wikipedia's user name policy because you choose of user name might be seen as a form of "self-promotion" of your personal brand, particularly based on what you tried to add to the article this edit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
The Activator, the article in question is Eric Bailey (basketball). This is not your page and is not a profile. It is a neutrally written encyclopedia article that has a lot of problems, and the lack of a photo is among the least of them. I suggest that you read WP:OWNERSHIP. The biggest problem is that the current references are exceptionally weak. What is required are references to reliable, independent published sources that devote significant coverage to you. Presumably such sources exist since you played professional basketball for eight years in Australia. So, upload a selfie if you want but helping to improve the references is where you should devote more attention. Cullen328 (talk) 01:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
What is the difference between a Wikipedia page and a Wikipedia article?
So I have been doing some reading and see references to Wikipedia pages and Wikipedia articles. What is the difference? Are they two different things or are they the same thing with two different names? L.M.Avery (talk) 01:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
L.M.Avery Hello and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse, to answer your question, most Wikipedia users use the terms page and article interchangeably as they are more or less the same as each other. -- StarryNightSky11☎01:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi L.M.Avery. The two words are often used interchangeably by many to mean the same thing, but an "article" is more specifically what's defined in WP:ARTICLE and a "page" generally refers to any Wikipedia page in any WP:NAMESPACE. In other words, all Wikipedia articles are Wikipedia pages, but not all Wikipedia pages are articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, L.M.Avery. I am sorry, but StarryNightSky11 is incorrect. Wikipedia has 6.6 million encyclopedia articles in article namespace. We have vastly more pages. Article talk pages are not articles. The Teahouse is not an article. Policies and guidelines and essays are not articles. Behind the scenes administrative pages are not articles. User pages and user talk pages are not articles. It is important to keep the distinction clear. Cullen328 (talk) 02:04, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
The page has been rejected, and I've been suggested to see WP:NPOL. I did, and it states, "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage are notable". The draft's subject is a major politician, he's a presidium member of the main opposition and one of the biggest political parties of the nation. He's been subject to numerous press coverage throughout his career.
Can someone take a look at it and elaborate on this?
This person is an unelected candidate who fails to to meet WP:NPOL. The coverage amounts to complaints about the large number of campaign posters they put up, and run-of-the-mill coverage of their unsuccessful campaign. In my view, that is nowhere near good enough to justify a Wikipedia biography. Otherwise, we would be swamped with hundreds of thousands of biographies of failed political candidates worldwide. Cullen328 (talk) 06:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
hi
i had a question which some good people try to help me about it but it removed/deleted before i read reply's
who can have permission to delete what i write ?
this is not human rights to delete/remove what i write here.......
bad Wikipedia. Shiva.kk22 (talk) 07:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Shiva.kk22. The Teahouse is a very active help forum, and threads here are commonly archived two or three days after discussion stops. You asked your question nine days ago. If you search the archives using your username, you can find every thread that you have participated in. Cullen328 (talk) 08:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
When i have a text in my draft-section, i remember that there was a bot unvoluntarily changing all my html from German to English, but i want to do this on my own.... i faintly remember that one could add "no bot" on the draft-page, so that this wouldn't happen. Has someone the formatting for me, please? Naomi Hennig (talk) 10:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for posting so much here. I was going to expand the Serasan District page with information, but I wanted to know if I formatted the tables correctly, or if i should take the information out of the table. I didnt know if I should make more categories or what I should do. Help would be appreciated. The edits are on my sandboxPalauanReich (talk) 02:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
PalauanReich, IMO these edits are too detailed, with anyone looking for information on Serasan District probably not looking for which subdistricts have 4G LTE and which have table tennis facilities. You also need reliable sources and references to those sources, WP:RS and Help:Referencing.
I find town articles annoying because of WP:GEOLAND, a notability rule that causes a bunch of, in my opinion, dumb articles that sometimes literally have two sentences being spammed into mainspace. Ng'iya Township for example. It does make Wikipedia have a higher number of articles though. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I agree, but I feel like it doesnt take too much from the article. I was going to get rid of some of the tables per WP:NOTSTATS, but kept them per WP:SPLITLIST. Not sure what the policy on this is, but I like to add all available info so there is a single place with all the info as opposed to needing to go to many different sources for different info. Added a source as well and posted the edits. Im guilty of making 1 sentences town articles as well, but I feel they are good to have so they can be expanded later. PalauanReich (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Why were two images deleted out of my article?
The Article in Question is https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina (which is currently waiting its approval to be published) so i added two medias i uploaded from Wikipedia Commons (i believe) of this person, two paintings, but today i find out that someone just deleted both of them and also comoletely of Wikipedia, you can't link both of it anymore,even though it is literally a painting confirmed to be him. Its so weird! They deleted it from English , Spanish, German version from the article. Any help? Maybe höw to improve it? It was very hard to write and source everything im just disappointed:( Ayyyple2 (talk) 23:23, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@Ayyyple2, the photos were deleted at Commons because of improper licensing. If the pictures are not in the public domain, or the copyright holder has not released the image, Commons can not maintain a copy. If the draft is accepted, it's possible the images will qualify under WP:NFCC and can be uploaded to en-wiki at that time. This is not available for drafts and images have no bearing on whether a draft is accepted. Slywriter (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Ayyyple2. The person you are writing about lived from 1752 to 1809. If the paintings in question were completed when this person was alive, then photos of the paintings are almost certainly in the public domain. When you upload such images to Commons, you need to make clear the date they were painted and that they are in the public domain. On the other hand, if the paintings were created in the last 95 years, they are probably still protected by copyright. The details are complex, but I am describing general principles. Cullen328 (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
One was made 1800, the other 1788. So it is public domain, but i dont know anyway, im very new to this, its hard, so ehat do i do now? Ayyyple2 (talk) 06:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. You presumably didn't see the messages at your Commons talk page commons:User talk:Ayyyple2 warning you that those two files did not have the information required to establish their copyright status? So they have been deleted, and a bot has removed them from the WP articles.
I am not familiar with the procedure, but I imagine that you can request undeletion at commons:Commons:Undeletion requests; alternatively, since you uploaded them, you could upload them again, but this time giving the required information (see the notices on your user talk for the details).
@LeGoldenBoots, WP:RSP is "just" a list of sources that has been up for discussion several times (sometimes many many many many times), so long though it is, most potential sources are not on it. In a case like this you can search the WP:RSN archives and see if you find anything (nope), ask there, and/or make a personal judgemnet. Does it look like a WP:BLOG? Well, per [16] they have a staff, that's generally a good sign. So you can probably use it as a source for game-facts, but not as a source for controversial WP:BLP-stuff. Context matters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
It is expected for any person editing Wikipedia to be able to read and apply the criteria noted at Wikipedia:Reliable sources; there is no kind of pre-approval process that a source must go through before it can be used. If Wikipedia's guidance there is a bit much for you to follow, then other guidance on how to assess trustworthiness of sources of information are also out there. A simple one is the CRAAP test, just about anything that would be considered a reliable source at Wikipedia should pass that kind of assessment. If you're having trouble yourself assessing reliability, then you can ask for help from others at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --Jayron3215:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
well I assume that the wikiprojects i want to link the articles to need to review it so im trying to figure that out Crumbsx (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
It looks like you've already added the Wikiproject Banners to the article talk page. I'm not sure what else you need to do there. --Jayron3214:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Do you mean like in Google? No idea. Google has their own system for including things in its search algorithm. If you mean "on Wikipedia", it's already there. If you put the article name in the search bar, it brings up the article. --Jayron3215:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Categories
Um, one question. Can you type a category in a search box? And if so, how do you type it Is it like, Category:(Name of subject) or is it something else? Please let me know. I know there is an article on it, but I have ASD, Global Development Disorder, ADHD... a whole slew of sort of mental disabilities, so if it's in there, it's not in terms I understand. Faith1515:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, @Faithful15. You guessed correctly that you need to type the word "Category" followed by a colon character and whatever you wish to search for, without any brackets. So "Category:Horses" works fine. Similarly, typing WP: followed by something will find most of the policy and guidance in the WP namespace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah OK. The brackets were only for the "Name of subject" thing but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks, guys. Faith1515:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Joe120pWP:CIVILITY is one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia, but not everyone pays as much care to it. Similarly, sometimes WP:Assume good faith can go a long way towards building trust and respect with each other. We have zero tolerence for egregious cases, and those should be reported to WP:AIV, but as a first step always try to directly approach the editors on a talk page and work it out. I wish happier interactions and editing for you. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Reverting someone’s contributions is not "being mean". It is in fact a core feature of Wikipedia, that what one person writes in can be edited by another person, and hopefully that process produces the best outcome.
Your edit removed three references without giving any reason. I agree that this contribution was unconstructive, and it was proper to revert it.
I have completed the text (Sandbox) for a new page. What I do not understand is how I can get that page found in a Wikipedia search and also how to insert a photo. Other than those two I think I am ready to go. Norms1107 (talk) 13:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Did you mean to make a new section. Create a new section with the button at the top of the page.Also, what page did you create? PalauanReich (talk) 13:54, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I guess I am not really sure what I have done. I think I created a new personal page and what I want to do is add a photo, but also wondering how I get the page from Sandbox to the main index so it can be found in a search. Norms1107 (talk) 14:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I got the picture added. Thanks. How can I add sources to the page? I should have plenty to choose from. Just need to include them. Norms1107 (talk) 15:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Norms1107 Did you read the linked article at WP:AUTO? We really discourage autobiography for all the reasons given there. If you insist on trying to write one, don't use your User Page but instead the WP:AfC process (click for instructions). You will then have the task of showing that you are notable in the specific sense that Wikipedia demands and which most people are not. Sources which might establish notability are explained here and the one you linked is not such since it is based on an interview and hence is not WP:INDEPENDENT of you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Norms1107, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. It is fundamentally and absolutely not a place to tell the world about yourself (or anything else): that is called Promotion, and is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia.
What Wikipedia is, is an encyclopaedia, that contains articles (not "profiles", or "pages") that summarize in neutral language what independent reliable sources say about a subject. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and you may well do, though not necessarily) then there can be an article about you. Such an article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. You are discouraged from trying to write it yourself, as you are likely to find it difficult to write sufficiently neutrally) but not forbidden: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.
Your user page, if you choose to use it, is a place for you to share about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. A limited amount of more general biography is permitted there, but that must not be the main focus. Your user page may not be made to look like an article, and will not be indexed by search engines. ColinFine (talk) 15:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Advice left on your Talk page on how to convert your Sandbox to a draft and then submit the draft for review. DO NOT SUBMIT until references are added, as that just wastes a Reviewer's time Declining your draft. Once an article is approved within Wikipedia, there is a lag before it can be can be found via external search such as Google. David notMD (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Confirming your draft was initially Declined, then Speedy deleted. The comment left be the Administrator who SD'd it was "Reads like a personal memoir." David notMD (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Improvement (enhancement) of an existing article image??
For years I urged replacement of the image (an amateurish painting of the man in callow youth) used in the Gerald Heard article. Finally, after many volleys of communication (here on Wikipedia, but also with those holding rights to photos, etc) a B&W photo was provided to Wikipedia. With proper rights to use provided. It's currently included in the article.
Don't misunderstand me, I definitely feel this image is a real step forward. Still, I feel it is flawed: it is low-contrast overall, and the image of Mr. Heard's face isn't distinct enough from the background. In short, the picture has been left in a narrow range of grey tones.
I believe it could be judiciously enhanced, without slightest injustice to the base image. Would this permitted, or possible? If so, how should I proceed?Joel Russ (talk) 17:56, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Immanuelle I'm not sure about "rules" but what you have here is a very bad idea because the reference will move down the page and confuse people: ultimately it may be in a section a long way from what you added. I'm going to place a {{talkref}} to stop that happening in this thread. Please re-do your signature ASAP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I was about to say it looks fine but I didn't even notice the ref! While it's not necessarily against the rules, it can cause issues elsewhere. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654516:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Immanuelle: welcome, and thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. WP:SIG is "the rules", and it looks fine, except for the use of the "ref" tag in the signature as noted above. Please take that part out. The rest looks good. --Jayron3216:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I was trying to add a book written by Robert Ellsberg that was published by Liturgical Press to the list of "Books" and I keep getting the "Automoated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstruction, so it has been disallowed. I did report the error (I think). But why is my addition of a book to the list being denied? This is my first time trying to do an edit.
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Robert_Ellsberg
Please advise. LiturgicalPress1926 (talk) 16:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@LiturgicalPress1926: Welcome, and thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. It looks like your error report has been responded to. Check back in at that page to see what the resolution of it is as other volunteers look into the problem. That being said, it looks like you're adding books published by your company to Wikipedia articles. See Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy and tread very carefully in this area. Wikipedia's culture treats promotion of any sort very harshly. --Jayron3216:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I responded to the report saying that it's definitely a false positive but I'm not entirely sure if the edit should be made. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654516:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, username vio and promo editing, although I feel the block was a bit hasty as the user put in a request to change their username. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654520:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Requesting copy edits to my page
I've just finished creating Minhaj Chowdhury, and I guess there's some copy editing to be done. Especially with maintaining a neutral and objective encyclopedic tone.
I did copyediting. I have one problem: What does it mean to speak on the topic of "social impact" (That's under "Career")? Social impact of what? Maurice Magnus (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Maurice Magnus, thanks for the edits, re social impact, extracting and judging from the sources, I've come to understand, his seminar discussions/speeches contain topic relating to society, and how to make an impact on it. Or ways to have a significant impact on societal issues. It could be in many ways. But just having an impact, and he talks about those ways within his expertise or experience.
Still receiving banner ads after updating account preferences.
Hi, I am still having banner ads served to me, most recently the IWD one, even though I have updated my preferences to disable: Advocacy, Article Writing, Photography, Event, Fundraising, and Governance. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Zxcvsadfsa (talk) 22:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello @Zxcvsadfsa, I believe the IWD banner is classed as a 'Special' banner, which, along with Maintenance banners, can't be turned off in the banner section of Preferences. However, I think if you go to 'Gadgets', then navigate to 'Browsing', and enable 'Suppress display of all CentralNotices', they should all be disabled. Hope this helps! :) echidnaLives - talk - edits23:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the time and help, would have never thought to look in Gadgets. Surprised it's classed as a 'Special' banner that is considered necessary to show to all users.
Nevermind, I was able to find further information, unfortunate that it requires JavaScript, but thanks again for the help. Zxcvsadfsa (talk) 23:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, new to editing, so hope you can help. I have been trying to upload an image, originally created in xcel, then followed the instructions about how to prepare it, but when I finally went through the process of adding it to WP, it just comes back and says NO, but no hints of why. At a loss ... --Macfeegles (talk) 05:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not as familiar with uploading images directly to Wikipedia as I am going through Commons so I thought this would be a great place to bring the question to get answered. Pinging @Macfeegles: so they know how to find the Teahouse. --ARoseWolf13:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Macfeegles, and welcome to the Teahouse (even if this is not where you intended to be!) How can anybody possibly diagnose your problem when you don't tell us what happened? "Says NO" tells us nothing (unless you mean that it put up a window with the single word "NO"). What happened? Did it display an error message? Did it hang? Did it apparently succeed, but there was no file there? What did you see?--ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I see a number of cross-wiki upload filter hits on Commons, but they're from over a week ago, and the action for all is warn rather than disallow. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Kumarsambid1923, you resubmitted on 12 February, 9 days after the decline, without making any other edits. If you do not address the concerns of the reviewer, the draft will certainly be declined again. Please do that. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
In El Reemplazante there are some names that are in Spanish ,but this is Wikipedia in English, i thought that someone who is a translator maybe could translate the names that are in spanish 201.188.147.77 (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi IP 201.188.147.77. I'm not sure that any of the article content needs to be translated. I don't think it's necessary to translate the names of the series' characters or the actors who played them into Engish. These are proper nouns and trying to translate them might actually lead to confusion. Descriptions of the characters should be in English, but the names are probably OK as is. A more serious concern from looking at the article would be whether it actually meets Wikipedia:Notability (television) and should even exist as an article. Finding better sources to more clearly establish the Wikipedia notability and which also support the all the unsourced content the article contains is, in my opinion, a more pressing need than translating things from Spanish into English. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Keith Henson. Wikipedia often has articles about people who share the same name. In this case, the article Patricia Draper is a redirect (click here to clearly see this) to an article about an Australian politician named Patricia (Trish) Draper. Most likely the redirect was made because the politician's birthname is "Patricia" even though they are more commonly known as "Trish". Since no Wikipedia article about an anthropologist or anyone else named Patricia Draper currently seems to exist, there's nothing wrong with the redirect per se. If someday an article is created about the anthropologist or anyone else named "Patricia Draper", the redirect will be changed as necessary to distinguish between the different articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Keith Henson, your link isn't to anything about the anthropologist Patricia Draper; it's to a paper that she cowrote. If you believe that (according to Wikipedia's criteria) she's "notable", then you're most welcome to create an article about her, at Patricia Draper (anthropologist). Once the latter exists, it can probably be retitled to plain "Patricia Draper" (with a "hatnote" to help people looking for the politician). -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Help me with my first article
How can i change my article draft:gulf data hub, to be not promotional but informational in your opinion? im new on wikipedia, any help is appreciated.. Fadishwaihat12 (talk) 05:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Fadishwaihat12. Your draft says helps businesses improve their uptime and the operational outlay. In addition, GDH is able to minimize down-time risks and maximize cost effectiveness. That is overtly advertising, marketing and promotional language. The problem for you is that advertising, marketing and promotional behavior of any kind is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Your draft needs a complete and total rewrite, keeping in mind the Neutral point of view, a mandatory core content policy. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and fully comply with that guideline in your rewrite. If you are not able to do so, then this company is not eligible for a Wikipedia article at this time. Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
You would do well to heed the advice given at the time by Arch dude: The subject of an article must be notable by our definition: See WP:N and specifically WP:CORP. (...) Please do not put any more effort into this article until you are sure it is notable, because we will delete it if not, wasting your time and ours. One small clarification: "until you are sure it is notable" refers to the subject (GDH), not the article - notability is a property of the subject and cannot be fixed by Wikipedia edits. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact)09:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I have made a Wikipedia Draft article. After first submitting it for Review, it was not accepted. I have added links to different independent sources as well as Wikipedia sources, and the subject (calligrapher and teacher Ann Camp) has references to both a memorial page, a Library of Congress page and an official library page. I don’t know where to go from here, honestly. Chaanes (talk) 15:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@Chaanes: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1182. I am not a reviewer, but I can see some things you're doing wrong.
There are external links in the body of your draft. WP:External links states that hyperlinks to sites that aren't Wikipedia should not (normally) be there.
There are no inline citations. I see you know how to use Wikipedia's footnote referencing system, but those have to be done in the body of the draft. Make sure to add {{reflist}} under the §References section.
The tone is unencyclopedic. Phrases like Ann's reputation drew people from all over the world come off as promotional.
We refer to the human subject of articles by their last name whenever possible, not their first.
2nd ¶ in the subsection §§Fellowships in the SSI is disjointed. Second sentence stipulates a there, but it is unclear as to what that pronoun is referring to. I assume it's the SSI, but it'd be better to mention it by name again, especially when the first sentence is tangentially related.
Chaanes, I think the answers above do not emphasize the main issue correctly.
You should stop editing the draft right now until and unless you can find sources that prove that person is "notable" under Wikipedia’s definition of the term (Mike linked to WP:42 which is the short summary; the longer version is at WP:NBASIC). Problems about tone, formatting of links etc. can always be fixed, but notability is a property of a subject, not of the article, hence it can not always be fixed.
Sujit is now indefinitely blocked after three efforts that were Speedy deleted. Went from being welcomed to being blocked in 90 minutes (not a record). David notMD (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I have been blocked with a false request. I have put the details on the Contributor copyright investigations page and on my talk page. I do not know how to file an "unblock request." Experienced editors may please help me unblock my account so that I could edit the Wikipedia pages at the earliest. Thanks. Rrthakur22 (talk) 11:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
The copyfight investigation will proceed there. You have already protested the accusation that you are inserting copyright-protected content. Asking that action be taken against the person who submitted the CCI is not useful. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@Madslazo welcome to Teahouse! Depending on the reason (copyrights violations won't) it may not be refunded, but someone at WP:REFUND will let you know! Hope that helps! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Draft:College Ave - Student Loans was Speedy deleted for reason of it being advertising/promotional. You can request at REFUND or else on the Talk page of the deleting Administrator. Not being an admin, I cannot see the SD'd draft, but you might be better off starting fresh, not using the CollegeAveStudentLoans website as a reference, as Wikipedia calls for refs independent from the topic. See wP:NCORP, WP:42 and WP:NPOV. David notMD (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Any veteran editor, kindly nominate Patha Bhavan, Kolkata for deletion as it do lack any reliable source. The whole article is a mere hypothesis without any provable source. Don't mind, please don't reply any introductory sentence as I'm quite familiar with this platform. 202.142.81.16 (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
The article Patha Bhavan, Kolkata is about a school. The article has existed since 2009. It has references, albeit weak. Your reason "The whole article is a mere hypothesis without any provable source." is a puzzle unless you had a different article in mind ? David notMD (talk) 18:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
202... I have reverted your attempt to nominate the article for deletion as it was done incorrectly. You can try again but must follow precisely the steps outlined in the link given above. That said, I don't think that a deletion is likely given the number of notable alumni and the current sourcing, although limited. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Given the sensitivity of the subject, a user suggested I get the draft independently reviewed by an experienced user before putting it in the main space. I've had discussions with two AFC reviewers on the page, and they were affirmative on the page's notability, but unfortunately refused to move it to main space themselves, as it falls out of their typical interest or the types of pages they work with.
I'm requesting an experienced user from here help me and move the page to mainspace. Thanks in advance.
@Cullen328, yeah, I did, and it's been months, and two reviewers there were unwilling to move it to mainspace, I guess maybe due to the length, or it not picking their interest, or the subject being highly controversial, maybe harassment or safety concern as well (albeit, as I mentioned previously, they seemed affirmative about the notability of the subject) .
Xkalponik, AFC is entirely optional for a user with your level of experience. If you believe that the person is notable and the draft meets policies and guidelines, then you are free to move it to main space yourself, where it can be evaluated by a New page patroller. Personally, I disclose my real world identity, including my religion and location, and am not interested in being harassed for approving a draft about a highly controversial figure in another religion. Plus, I lack subject matter expertise. I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 08:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Cullen328, thanks for your advices. I'm moving it to main space and awaiting a review from a new page patroller. Wish you well too. X (talk) 09:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Xkalponik, some of the reference titles used in the article don't match the titles of the sources. For instance, you've given this source the title "Asylum seeker's 'vital' op battle, lawyered by Mufassil Islam", whereas the correct title is just "Asylum seeker's 'vital' op battle". The titles used in the references should really match those of the sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Cordless Larry, @Cullen328, Hi as you two have looked into my article already, and are admins, so it's better seeking help from you.
So, this user, @আফতাবুজ্জামান, has started tagging my articles stating I have some "close connections" with the subjects. I've replied to them on their talk page as well and will also state here: I do not have any sort of connection with any of the subjects whatsoever. I've created article on Mufassil Islam, as it fell under my radar, and I discussed with admins before creating it. Please see these discussions, links are given in the Talk:Mufassil Islam - Wikipedia. I noticed Minhaj Chowdhury on the list of awarded people by the U.S. Secretary of State, while creating an article on Muhammad Nur Khan, noticed him from this source. I also do not have any connection with Mehzeb Chowdhury either but noticed him on media.
He's just arbitrarily tagging my articles. Can you guys provide me a solution or answer here? Thanks. X (talk) 06:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Xkalponik, as I have already stated, I I lack subject matter expertise which makes it very difficult for me to evaluate your connections to the topic. I will note, however, that there is no such thing as the United States' Secretary Dept, a fact which calls your assertions and accuracy into question. Please fully and accurately describe your personal connection with these topics. Cullen328 (talk) 06:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Update: An admin has removed one of the tags. Hopefully the rest of this dispute will be resolved.X (talk) 14:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I think some wikipedia articles are too sinophobic and are biased and include fake content
Although I know I might get sanctioned for saying this, but some wikipedia articles are much too anti-chinese.
For example, in the legislative council attacks, it ironicly calls the rioters "pro democracy activists" when the photo literally shows them destroying the complex.
Also, for topics like the alleged Uyghur genocide, the whole thing is not confirmed because the Xinjiang papers were leaked out by the US, which is currently in bad relations with china. The east Turkestan independence movement should be called an insurgency and NOT a "government in exile" because firstly, they use suicide bombers and are radical. In the uyghur genocide article, many things are exaggerated and obviously are fake because they are much too similar to the holocaust.
Another very untrue and fake statement, in colonialism#chinese, whoever added a lot of genuine parts of china as "colonies" is very untrue. I have attempted to remove some fake statements, but my edits have been undone.
Also, calling taiwan a "country" is utterly false. Kosovo and western sahara are called states with limited recognition, but taiwan is not.
I hope that involved wikipedia article stop being so sinophobic and stop including such fake content.
Thehistorianisaac (talk) 10:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Thehistorianisaac Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources state about a topic. Being biased does not in and of itself preclude the use of a source on Wikipedia. The sources are provided to readers so they can judge things like bias for themselves. Most media in mainland China is affiliated with the state and parrots its preferred talking points irrespective of actual reporting. You terming something "fake" is insufficient for its removal, you must make a case and convince other editors for a consensus as to what an article should say. If you have sources that are generally reliable and don't simply repeat what the PRC wants them to say, please discuss your concerns on the relevant article talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@Thehistorianisaac: you will not get sanctioned for making a reasoned point on a talk page. I would note, however, that in both cases of Taiwan and Kosovo, the choice of opening paragraph was made after well-attended discussions; if you want to try and change the consensus on those pages, you will need to study the previous arguments and find something new.
That being said, if repeatedly make tendentious edits without a source, then yes, you might get sanctioned for that. For instance, that edit asserts (without a source) that the US supports Uyghur terorrists, a rather grave accusation; I have reverted it. In fact, that very article states The East Turkestan Islamic Movement has been recognised as a terrorist organisation by (...) the United States[1] (the source is a US government website).
My page width is greater than my screen width and I don't find a solution for it by myself. Before I was able to see all on one screen. Now I either don't see the whole dropdown menu to the left or to the symbol of a person to the right, where another dropdown menu comes out. It is like this also on commons. On other pages in the internet outside of the wikimedia sphere its ok though.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:06, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Or another problem is that if I want to return a page (by hitting <) I often have to drag the whole windowbar further to the left so the bottom gets into the screen. And once this is accomplished, the whole buttons on the toolbars are gone again and then I need to drag the whole window bar against more to the right, so the tool buttons are visible again. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh, no, its not a wikipedia problem. Its a screen problem. Its a similar problem all over my internet experience. So don't worry, if you can't help me. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@AirmanKitten203 To use Huggle, you have to have rollback permissions, which you can apply for. However, you currently are unlikely to get the permission as you don't have enough evidence of mainspace edits. See WP:ROLL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Are ANI sanctions permanent?
I’ve ran into some issues with administrators and sanctions have been proposed on me. Such sanctions are such that I’d be totally fine with them being put on me for a temporary period (such as say six months or a year to prove my dedication to improving my editing approach) but I’d leave Wikipedia forever if they were there permanently. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian)15:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Immanuelle, welcome back. Very few things on Wikipedia are permanent; there will probably be a way for you to appeal after a certain length of time with demonstrated good behavior. Good behavior and a proper appeal will probably be necessary, though - in other words, there won't be an automatic expiration date. How exactly it is all structured will depend on the outcome at ANI and the judgement of the admin placing the ban. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Well honestly I think the proposed sanctions might actually benefit my agenda here. They come from making a lot of low quality pages and are restrictions on making new pages. Making new pages is something I really like doing but I also want up improve my existing pages and start to slow down on making them. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian)16:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I've had it working that way, what I was looking for was a closer map like of the LGA or of Perth, but I couldn't find any way to do it. commemorative (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Complaint against a user
I think someone may have had a drink or 2 on Thursday evening, Spike 'em (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Any friendly user kindly remind the concerned user that this place is a public common collaborating platform not his private arena. At least a warning ought to be issued. 202.142.81.158 (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Note: I initially assumed that this was posted by the editor I was referring to in the statement above, which appears on my talk page, but it is actually another blocked user (Soutut). Spike 'em (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
What specifically constitutes "Forum shopping" on Wikipedia?
I wanted to ask this because I recently got rid of some non-NPOV language in Gediminas and I wanted to get a second opinion about the "NPOV-ness" of the article from another editor (preferrably one that is experienced with NPOV/Lithuania) prior to getting rid of the POV dispute template (I want to remove that template only after there is WP:CONSENSUS to do so). I posted something about NPOV-ing the article on the Talk page, but in case people don't respond or anything, I decided that after a few days pass, I might raise the issue on the Wikipedia: WikiProject Lithuania page if no one responds on Talk:Gediminas.
Hello Shadow of the Starlit Sky and welcome to the Teahouse. Notifying a Wikiproject of a discussion in a neutral way is not considered forum shopping. You can simply leave a message letting members know there is a discussion taking place on Talk:Gediminas that may be of interest to that wikiproject. Let them go to the talk page and figure out what the discussion is about for themselves. I hope this helps. --ARoseWolf20:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@RossEvans18, page was replaced with content about another player. I've restored and added page to my watchlist. Though, I also see nothing beyond a database entry about the subject. Is there other sourcing to show they are notable? Slywriter (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't know a page had to be notable to be protected, I suggested it so that the vandalism wouldn't happen again :) Thanks for restoring it! RossEvans18 (talk) 22:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@RossEvans18, It needs to be notable to remain in mainspace and survive an AfD. So if you have an interest in the page, it could use some sources. If want to request protection, head to WP:RFPP and an admin will evaluate. Slywriter (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Query about subcategory Independent bookstores of Australia
Dear Teahouse friends,
I hope you're doing well. I saw that the subcategory, Independent bookstores of Australia, is only used on two pages. In an instance like this, is it worth retaining the subcategory or should the pages revert to the main category of Bookshops in Australia?
Hello, SunnyBoi. I noticed that the first bookstore in the main category, All Star Comics Melbourne, could be added to the subcategory. Perhaps recategorizing that and any other independent bookstores in the main category might be a better solution. Cullen328 (talk) 02:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Moving, Renaming, Redirects, and Page Titles
I just moved a user subpage and now I have questions:
1. Can I safely delete the redirect without breaking anything?
2. Is there way to change the title that gets displayed? (openai open questions is fine for the url but not as a page title...)
3. Reddit is listed as an unreliable source. Is that still true if I were to use reddit posts for the purpose of writing some subpages that discuss OpenAI text generator giveaways based on certain reddit posts? DarklitShadow (talk) 02:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
. Yes, you can delete the redirect. Put {{db-author}} at the top, and an admin will be along to delete it. (Or you can blank it, if you want to reuse it).
. The displayed title is where the page is in Wikipedia, so no, it can't be changed. Of course you could put another top level heading below it. Alternatively, you might like to discuss with WP:WikiProject Artificial Intelligence whether it might usefully be moved to be a subpage of that project.
. StarryNightSky11 seems to have misunderstood you and thought you were talking about an article, or a draft for an article; but I think this is more in the nature of an essay. So there is no bar on citing unreliable sources for such a purpose; but be very cautious about presenting them as valid/reliable/meaningful.
I think the better choice for me here is to tell somebody with the edit filter flag know the method I used and maybe they can turn that into a useful rule.
Register a username, log in under that username, and then upload, providing informative and honest answers to the questions asked of you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
How to create musician/artist wikipedia so it won't get rejected.
I would add that one does not create "a Wikipedia". Wikipedia is the name of this entire website, which is composed of articles on various topics. You are attempting to write an article. 331dot (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Article was speedy deleted per WP:G11. You are welcome to start again, writing in a neutral fashion, and be sure to identify which of the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO Aleksandre Zazarashvili meets. He has to meet one of them to merit an article on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Aleksandre Zazarashvili (a surprising choice of username) wrote a draft that started '''Aleksandre Zazarashvili''' was born in the Republic of Georgia, He is an extraordinary singer and songwriter who is known for winning the famous international talent show competition [http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/The_Voice_Kids_(Ukrainian_TV_series) "The Voice"]. To simplify somewhat, a competition either (A) is famous, or (B) is not famous. If (A), its fame will have reached interested readers, so describing it as famous is unnecessary. If (B), describing it as famous is untrue. Et cetera. -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Your apparent efforts to create an article about yourself have been Speedy deleted by Administrators, meaning only Admins can see and comment on the deleted content. Per the content posted by Hoary, words such as "extraordinary" and "famous" are promotional - not allowed - unless that is what the reference said. David notMD (talk) 09:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Aleksandre Zazarashvili is a 17-year old singer from the Republic of Georgia. Are you AZ? Or do you work for/with AZ? If the second, request a User name change. You can try again, but the reality is that it may be WP:TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article in English Wikipedia, in spite of his evident popular following at Youtube. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Infobox painting?
As mentioned above, i'm translating an article from the German wikipedia. There is an infobox included - leading to the homepage of the artist to the section of the paintings mentioned in this paragraph...
I don't think so - I hope not. This is a really bad idea, vastly reducing the size of the image for information that should be in the first two lines of text and mostly in the image caption. Johnbod (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
This infobox was entered to lead directly to the homepage of the artist showing this special pictures of work i was talking about in the text, normally i would have add a picture to commons on this (with all the neccessary steps to do so), but the German professional organisation VG-BildKunst - in which most artists are - doesn't allow the usage of artwork-pictures anymore due to the cc 4.0 licence which allows almost everyone to do everything with a picture. Thus - to enter the infobox was at least one way to help the reader understand what the artist does - as she works with random and chance, and the text tries to explain what she does - the link to the picture helps a lot. So the infobox "artwork" would not lead to a wikimedia-commons-page in this case, but leads directly to the homepage of the artist... and i'm not quite sure whether the English wikipedia would allow this, that's why i asked. Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm in need of help with my article Flamin' Hot (brand), it is an orphan article that has Wikipedia:Reliable sources, it needs more, but it also needs a family. It is the first ever Wikipedia article to be written by AI. A road never crossed in Wikipedia history. If anybody else wants to help and add some extra citations and give it a family, it is all yours to help. -Sirhewlett (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I have draftified the article as "AI" is prone to error and at least one "fact" is outright false as shown by LATIMES. Also not the first attempt. Slywriter (talk) 15:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. The Contents list on the left of the page used to appear, but now they do not. Interestingly, I see the Contents list briefly flash on the screen and then it vanishes, and I can't find a way to make it return.
Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. I had the very same problem earlier today, though it stopped within a few minutes of my noticing it. I assume it's due to a software update (see WP:THURSDAY). If the problem persists, you could make a report of it at WP:VPT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
I have been working on the above article (Draft:Guta Moura Guedes) for a couple of months and it has been declined again today with the comment:- ": Reads like a magazine profile piece and not an encyclopedia article."
I have tried really hard to get the tone and voice right and would really welcome any suggestions in how to proceed RichardDehn (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, RichardDehn, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are phrases you've used that are simply right for an encyclopaedia, but would be ok in a magazine article. Things such as Throughout her career Moura Guedes has been invited to join many juries, award panels, councils and advisory boards. or Moura Guedes has regularly participated in lectures, debates and conferences on social and sustainable development, on design and on culture in Portugal, abroad and digitally. Examples of these are,... All that really says is that "she's done stuff".
The lead sentence is so stuffed full of job types that it's hard to know whether she merits all of them. Curator, cultural manager, critical thinker, strategist, to name just a few. You'd need citations to support every single one of these, or is that just your opinion of her work and achievements? It all read very promotional and forced, to me.
TBH: there are 47 references which evidence stuff she's done. Everyone does stuff during their lives, but including them all is a bit of overkill in my mind, and I'm not going to work through them all to find independent sources which talk about her in detail and in depth. Can you point us to the best three which talk about here, to ensure she meets WP:NBIO?
In summary: I think you should trim out all the unnecessary rather promotional/journalistic sentences and reduce the plethora of cited activities she's done. In addition: what we want to see are sources that talk about her - rather than things written in her own words, as some of them seemed to be. I hope this helps a bit. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Nick,
Thank you so much for taking the time to give me all that advice. I am determined to carry on but I can see that I have got to make radical changes. Would it be alright if I message you again when I feel that I have addressed the issues that you mentioned? All the best,
Hello! After reading your article, my biggest suggestion is to consider turning some of your subheadings into headings to avoid lumping all the info under "Biography." I would also suggest putting all information in chronological order, and to lower the usage of the word "she," and simply replacing it with Moura Guedes. Please refer to Wikipedia's language manual, and avoid any words that could show bias, such as "influential." I hope this helps! TheDonquavious (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
RichardDehn, the article doesn't suggest that Moura Guedes would be unhappy to be referred to as "she". Assuming that she wouldn't be (that she doesn't prefer to be referred to as "they" or whatever), I strongly disagree with TheDonquavious (above). The use of monosyllabic "she" (together with that of monosyllabic "her") is fine. Converting a bunch of these to polysyllabic "Moura Guedes" would degrade the article. ¶ But yes, other phrasing can be problematic. Frankly, if I read that somebody "has been engaged in the international design community as" whatever, my bullshit detector rings an alarm. (Just for a start, one premise for this, that there exists a, singular, International design community, is a claim that I'd be inclined to flag "Citation needed".) -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey, just to clear things up, I wasn't talking about "gender identity" or anything like that when I was talking about "she," I just noticed that word was used a lot in the article, that's all. I thought the writer would benefit from using other pronouns. TheDonquavious (talk) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
RichardDehn, it gets worse. She has been engaged in the international design community as a creative director, strategist, and critical thinker since the early 90s implies to me that this engagement (?) has continued (perhaps with interruptions) from the early 90s to the present. I don't know whether the cited source backs this up, as the website (Abitare) gave me a choice between two unpalatable options: (A) accept their tracking or similar junk or (B) pay them money. The glance I got at the page before it was replaced with an advert suggested that it was based on an interview. But let's suppose that it isn't based on an interview, and instead that it's independent of its subject and does indeed say something like this. It's 14 years old. December 2008 is not the present. So at best this is merely a source for a claim of her engagement from the early 90s till 2008. -- Hoary (talk) 05:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
While I strongly suspect I will be blocked for this post, this draft showed up yesterday in -en-help, and Richard was told in no uncertain terms that pretty much all of his sources were useless for determining notability. Unless he's since gotten a second opinion and/or drastically redone the sourcing (which, based on the draft history, he has not) only the first source cited is of any use for notability; the rest either having too little information (not provided by her directly) to work off of or being connected to her. @RichardDehn: the wording of the draft at this point is utterly irrelevant because the fatalsourcingissues autopreclude it. Your focus should be on finding better sources right now, not arguing over how a badly-sourced article that would need to be rewritten almost wholesale should read. —Jéské Couriano (No further replies will be forthcoming.) 21:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Something really fishy is going on in Spanish Wikipedia...
So, I normally read wikipedia in my phone, and everytime I enter the Explore page, I have a few alnguages set up, and for basically all of the time I can remember, the article on Cleopatra is the most read Article of the Spanish wikipedia, for no apparent reason (no big number of recent edits, etc.).
This board is a place for new users to ask questions about using the English Wikipedia. We cannot help with issues on the Spanish Wikipedia, which is a separate project. You should ask about issues with the Spanish Wikipedia there. If it's something more technical, maybe ask on MetaWiki. 331dot (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I am editing a page where much of the content does not have inline citations. There is a section (does not have citations) in the article page that has exactly the same content info found in another website. So not sure who copied from who. I also found the user who added the content info. My question is what should be the next approach to this? Should I contact them via talk page and ask them to add the source?
This is the page I am editing: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Padayani. The section is under Alapra Padayani.
The website I found same content from: https://www.keralatourism.org/padayani/festival-detail/thacharickal-padayani/12
Thank you. Hecatesss (talk) 17:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Hecatesss, and welcome to the Teahouse. The material was added to Padayani in October 2020, but the external site you linked to says "Copyright 2018". So on the face of it, that appears to be a copyright violation, and should be removed immediately: see WP:COPYVIO. ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm currently working on an article, Draft:Sneako. I believe the subject in question is notable enough to receive an article, but due to apparent sourcing and tone issues the draft has yet to be accepted. If anyone has any advice or suggestions on how to improve the article in any way, I'd very much appreciate it. Thank you. TheDonquavious (talk) 00:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, TheDonquavious. Some of your references, like Heavy.com are mediocre and should not be used for contentious claims about living people. This living person is contentious. FreshersLive is not a reliable source. I doubt the reliability of The Latch, which looks like a clickbait aggregator to me. Media Referee is a clickbait site that speads gossip. HITC is a poor quality site that does not identify its editorial team. The Yahoo Finance source is just a reprint of a Daily Beast article. Personally, I often like some Daily Beast coverage but it is a mediocre source for use in a biography of a living person. WP:RSP says it should not be used for controversial statements of fact related to living persons.. The Next Management source does not verify the modeling jobs, and is a commercial primary source. Your draft has other problems such as repeatedly duplicated references. See WP:NAMEDREFS for how to correct that. Also, this person is supposedly notable for their far right ideas, but the draft fails to describe those views in any detail. In conclusion, the poor quality of the references leaves me unconvinced that this person is eligible for a Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey, thank you for this thorough response, it was very helpful. I've updated the references, so please let me know your thoughts on my revisions. TheDonquavious (talk) 03:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, TheDonquavious. Your references still look dubious to me. Which, in your opinion, is the very best reference that establishes notability? I would be willing to do a deep dive on what you perceive to be your best reference. Cullen328 (talk) 04:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I see your point, but allow me to explain a bit. The best reference currently cited is the Hunger.TV source. However, there are several more articles I have not listed as citations because they are only passing mentions, but it should definitely be noted that Sneako is featured in a New York Times article, a Jerusalem Post article, an Insider article. These sources undoubtedly prove his notoriety the way I see it. If you agree, I would very much appreciate your say-so to add these as sources in the article. TheDonquavious (talk) 04:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I never know what, if anything, "be featured" means, TheDonquavious. I clicked on the Insider link (as the least likely of the three to plead for my money). This has just one short paragraph about "Sneako". -- Hoary (talk) 07:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
TheDonquavious, I remain unconvinced that HungerTV is a reliable source. It looks like a clickbait gossip site to me. But even if it was accepted as reliable, it devotes significant coverage to Andrew Tate, not to Sneako. The subject of your draft gets a small section at the end of a much longer article about Tate, almost as an afterthought and a warning about associating with Tate. This is a highly opinionated piece, not news reporting. Cullen328 (talk) 08:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
That tells me nothing about Sneako other than that he supports Tate. How is that relevant to a biography of Sneako and make him notable? Millions of people may support Tate and millions more may not but having an opinion about something notable doesn't make you notable: there is even an essay advising against that sort of argument at WP:NINIMike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I looked at the latter, TheDonquavious. One (1) sentence quotes Sneako as saying something. You're scraping a dead horse, or beating the barrel, or whatever. Spare time is finite; how about devoting it to writing about somebody, or something, that's notable? -- Hoary (talk) 13:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
TheDonquavious, he may be "notable" to some people in the everyday meaning of the word, but he is notNotable in the specialist sense that Wikipedia uses it to determine the suitability of a subject for a Wikipedia article. Follow that link and read the guideline page thoroughly; doing so will take far less of your time than you will waste trying to achieve the unachievable, and you will have learned something valuable.
Forget it, if you deem him unworthy of an article then so be it, I will update the article if new sources are released that prove otherwise. I can't be bothered with this right now. I have nothing more to say on this matter. TheDonquavious (talk) 15:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
@TheDonquavious: No hurry. The draft will hang around for six months and be automatically deleted if there is no activity in it, but it can be undeleted uncontroversially by requesting it at WP:REFUND in the event you want to improve it again. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Hoary, I don't know, but when I click the Edit Button on my user page, I see the templates "Main other" and "Template other". When I double-click "Main other" I see the text "[[Category:Articles using Template:Background color with invalid colour combination]]". Same thing with "Template other". These templates were added right after my signature, so I assumed there's a problem with it. As for who added it, I really don't know. Mr. Silver|(Talk)07:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mister Silver: I think using the background-color style automatically calls on the Template:Ensure AAA contrast ratio, which in turn places the content into the Category you mention. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Right, it's an automated comment on a CSS infelicity. Something simple: any specification of the "color" attribute (i.e. the color of text) should come with a specification of the "background-color" attribute; any specification of "background-color" should come with a specification of "color". (Any CSS checker should point this out.) For text that links (as the important text in signatures does), this is complicated somewhat. Really, I suggest that you just use the default signature: vanity signatures are something of a waste of time (and of course a waste of bytes). -- Hoary (talk) 09:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mister Silver: It happens because you use {{Background color}} or one of its redirects in your signature. That template makes a color check and code from this is left in your signature when you use it. Your colors are accepted by the template but templates are forbidden in signatures by WP:SIG#NoTemplates. You can use this instead (as it's rendered here, don't copy it from the source text):
St.Pete-Clearwater International Airport items cleanup
Hello and good day. Go to above airport, go to infobox on right, clean up my additional source. Scroll down to annual traffic, year 2022 should be by itself in lower left hand corner of table. Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Theairportman33531. With 15,000+ edits under your belt, is there some issue that prevents you doing this yourself?
@Theairportman33531: Done, I think. I tried to preserve the 10-year correlations in the table rows instead of equalizing the number of rows in each column. Is that what you want? Deor (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Pasatalavist Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please use the article talk page associated with a protected article to propose changes.(for example, Talk:Joe Biden to propose changes to Joe Biden). If you mark your proposal as a formal edit request(click for instructions), it will draw the attention of other editors- but most protected articles are watched by others. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
@Pastalavist See Wikipedia:Protection policy for details on protection levels. You can also suggest edits at the talkpage of the article in question. If other editors think your suggestion is reasonable, they may act on it at some point. See also WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references correctly, if you want to make edits that can "stick", good referencing is essential. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
my first content publication - help
hi. i m new to wikipedia and i d like to create and publish my first content. i m little lost as dont know where to start. my contribute button is greyed out.. where do i start from? thank you very much. Opunthia (talk) 11:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Opunthia, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I have put some tips aqnd links on your user talk page to help you find your way.
Creating an article from scratch is a very demanding task that will lead to frustration and disappointment if you try it before you have learnt how Wikipedia works. My advice is to go slowly, learning about this huge endeavour by making small improvements to some of our six million existing articles, and only after a while read your first article and try your hand at that. ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you Colinfine for all your tips and help. My article already exists in Wikipedia in Polish and I am simply translating it in english to publish it in the wikipedia English version. I am just changing some of the references and bibliography. would you be able to have a look at it when i finish it on draft to make sure it follows all rules? thanks alot for your precious directions. marianna Opunthia (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
@Opunthia Translation can be valuable and does make it easier for new editors to create articles here. However, please note that the notability requirements may differ between the Polish and English-language versions of Wikipedia, so before you do too much work you should carefully assess whether the Polish article has sufficient sources meeting our golden rules. There are some technical things you should also do when translating that are mentioned at WP:TRANSLATE. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
for removing dead url
Hi did removed the dead url from the diva page for that i have a link which is similer to that article thats why i did that ,plz do let me know can i do it or not plz.... RhaenyraHearts (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
hey there is broken link in the diva page and i want to add a url ,but whenever i add the new url after sometime it goes back to the broken link should i do that or not plz let me know RhaenyraHearts (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Kaitlyn Lawes
Courtesy link: Zaho Koka
Done, I think. I tried to preserve the 10-year correlations in the table rows instead of equalizing the number of rows in each column. Is that what you want? Deor (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
