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Category:Newman family (show business) has been nominated for renaming

Category:Newman family (show business) has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Advice if you have a mo

Sorry to ask, I'm looking for a policy on footballers. It's something along the lines of, if a nationality is causing disruption then it should be removed? I'm sure I've seen it in relation to football articles. The reason I'm asking is because there is some disruption over at Hamza Choudhury. Any advice? Thanks in advance, Knitsey (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The general rule is - if someone is born in one country but plays for another through e.g. parentage, do not mention the nationality straight after the date of birth (e.g. Riyad Mahrez). For Hamza, until he actually plays for Bangladesh, I think saying he is 'English footballer' is fine. If/when he plays for Bangladesh, remove the nationality. GiantSnowman 17:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Lovely, thank you. I was fairly sure I had come across a discussion. Appreciate the advice, ta, Knitsey (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Tournament Pages

Hi Giant Snowman, happy new year!

How far advance should pages of major tournaments (World Cup, AFCON etc) be created in advance?

I'm considering starting a page for UEFA Euro 2036, is it too early?

Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 18:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Same to you! What information is known about the tournament? How much significant coverage is there? GiantSnowman 18:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Always nice to make acquaintance of a fellow Yorkshireman! 2 potential bidders are known - Poland and Nordics. Precedent suggests bidding process will open later this year with host chosen in late 2027. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 18:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Maybe create it in draft first? See WP:AFC. GiantSnowman 19:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Your comment about me

Hi again,

I've seen your comment about me on the admin noticeboard. Just to clarify I am a new editor on this account but have been editing on and off for a few years on various IPs but hadn't logged in until recently. I have spent plenty of time reviewing wiki policy and procedure and am very interested in the 'behind the scenes' aspect of wikipedia.

Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 19:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Please comment at WP:ANI. Why have you been undertaking botched page moves, why did you mess with my user space draft, and why have you created a RFA for another user? GiantSnowman 19:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I’m not sure what to write here but I ask you read it

Hi Mr. Snowman,

I want to sincerely apologize for my actions and I realize that we both were getting frustrated and I apologize for that.

I'm starting to realize your point regarding the inexperience and I'm starting to realize although it is true and I don't want it to disqualify my vote, I feel like it is necessary to somehow be proactive about.

I was wondering if you would considering "adopting" me and be a mentor? I know we just argued a few hours ago but I'm realizing I really do need someone to help guide me and with the warning I already got for a satire edit (which was fully my fault), I'm starting to realize that maybe I don't know the Wikipedia's ins and outs as I thought.

I have been mostly trying to stay behind the scenes and been working on promoting this article but in light of recent events although I'm still working on it, I definitely need someone to mentor me. Would you consider adopting me?

Thanks, Reader of Information (talk) 02:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC) Reader of Information (talk) 02:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, and yes, of course more than happy to mentor you as much as I can! GiantSnowman 10:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you so much! Where do we start? Reader of Information (talk) 14:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
You can just ask me any questions if you need help with anything. GiantSnowman 14:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I'll ask if I come up with anything. Reader of Information (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hey mentour!

Hi my mentor, Giant Snowman,

I'm asking if you could help review the guidelines with me and assist me in creating a central discussion page regarding AI use as there are no guidelines. I was thinking of something like what I mentioned in the ANI as a start and your mention of a separate discussion was what brought me here.

Fyi, yeah I'm feeling better something I ate this morning did not sit well and passing gas actually helped 🤣

This is probably the first major project I'll be working on and your help as an experienced editor (and my mentor) would really help me out. I would like your help on the flaws with my views with the AI mentioning in AI, how that'd conflict with WP:LLM, and other aspects of AI usage to draft a good post for centralized discussion.

Your mentee, Reader of Information (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC) Reader of Information (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

You are looking for WP:RFC, but I think you are probably too unexperienced to be starting such a discussion. GiantSnowman 18:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hmmm, well, I started one at Village Pump, proposals, it seems to be gaining traction. Reader of Information (talk) 19:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) You're too inexperienced to be doing a lot of the things you're doing. You need to spend less time in project space.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I suppose so lol. I guess my eagerness can get the better of me. I'll work on the Fourth Army (France) revamp I have planned. Reader of Information (talk) 19:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2025)

SAARC Region
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Nice to meet you, have some images

I hope our disagreement on Talk:Carol and Eric Hafner is settled. Meanwhile, as a sign of appreciation of your contributions in general (you're a very active admin!), I found some free licensed images to illustrate your articles. I do that occasionally.

Hope you like. --GRuban (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the images - but no, it's not settled. GiantSnowman 19:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
OK, let me see what you said there and figure out the next steps. I think I found an image of Ratking (group) - not great, but better than nothing, about as good as the image currently on Wiki (rapper). This is as much as anything a reminder to myself to actually upload it while doing the former! --GRuban (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
  • American band Ratking performing in Köln in 2014. Left to right: Wiki, Sporting Life, Hak.
    American band Ratking performing in Köln in 2014. Left to right: Wiki, Sporting Life, Hak.
Not very good depictions, I'm afraid. I'd still put in one or two of them into the article, on the grounds that they're still better than nothing, but if you don't agree, I won't insist on it. --GRuban (talk) 00:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I think they're good enough to include (in particular images 2 or 4?) - thanks! GiantSnowman 16:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Put two in. May keep looking for more. --GRuban (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Seth Burkett
Found one for Seth Burkett, and that's all for User:GiantSnowman/DYK. I clicked through some of the many, many links on Homosexuality in association football, and most of those have (better) images already. --GRuban (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Wow, good work! GiantSnowman 21:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
The Barnstar of Diplomacy is awarded to you, GiantSnowman, who have helped to resolve, peacefully, conflicts on Wikipedia. Even when editors attack, you don't take it too personally and are happy to see the redirection of editors towards positive citizenship. TiggerJay (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Gosh, thank you very much! GiantSnowman 16:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sockpuppets

The logged in vandal is duckquacking the IP vandals of http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Prime_Minister_of_Canada&action=history, could you impose blocks please as they continued after I issued warning? Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 14:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I please need user names/IP addresses/diffs showing vandalism. Why not report at WP:AIV as is normal? GiantSnowman 14:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
[1] you could look at any of his 4 edits and see that they are destructive. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 14:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Blocked, thanks. GiantSnowman 15:24, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, he also has a sock. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 15:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Blocked as well - probably WP:MEAT rather than sock. But it would be helpful if you linked to the users using {{user}}, so I can easily review contribs. GiantSnowman 15:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks again, I'll do that in future. How do you, with any degree of certainty, differentiate between a meatpuppet and a sockpuppet? Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 15:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
A sock usually (but not always) appears when the old account has been blocked - a meatpuppet is usually a friend of the first account who is vandalising at the same time. GiantSnowman 15:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Ah thanks, that will help me differentiate when dealing with them in future. Another meat has popped up after you blocked the other two. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 15:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
That is probably a sock, given they appeared when the other accounts were blocked and their user name appears to be a homage to mine. Anyway, already dealt with by @Bbb23:. GiantSnowman 15:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
That thought did cross my mind. Think those pages may need semi-protecting as I can see them creating more accounts. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 15:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, good idea, I have done that. GiantSnowman 15:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 15:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2025)

Wool weaving shuttle, with pirn in middle
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This week's article for improvement (week 4, 2025)

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Medical prescription

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"Michael McCann (footballer)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Category:Rankin family of Geelong has been nominated for renaming

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Brendan Rodgers

Hi, Could you explain why you reverted my edit removing that Brendan Rodgers had Covid once, please? How long it's been in the article doesn't make it not trivial. Most of the population have had Covid before, whilst it might have been of minor interest in 2020, it's not WP:NOTABLE anymore. Thanks. LicenceToCrenellate (talk) 19:06, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

It's covered in multiple reliable sources. The same cannot be said for "most of the population". Also notability is not temporary. GiantSnowman 19:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
What does multiple sources have to do with it not being trivia? BLP articles aren't usually full of whatever minor illnesses people have had once. I'd understand it being in an article if it had left the sufferer with chronic side effects or led to their death.
81.7% of people have had Covid since Nov 2022, according to the ONS, it's not rare or unusual. LicenceToCrenellate (talk) 07:35, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
Again, it was reported in multiple reliable sources at the time. GiantSnowman 19:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
I believe GS is referring to WP:DUE. Robby.is.on (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
Again, I'll ask you how it being in multiple sources makes it automatically noteworthy or not trivia? This isn't an illness that has had some lasting or serious impact to the subject - I'd agree with you including it if it had.
I'm not going to get into an edit war over this, but you've yet to provide a convincing response to any of my points. LicenceToCrenellate (talk) 08:01, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
As Robby suggests, see WP:DUE. GiantSnowman 08:10, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2025)

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Gastropub

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Jonas Mukuna draft

HI giant snow man is it possible we could get in contact about a draft made on Jonas Mukuna that we want to be published on not saved as a draft Jmuks11 (talk) 01:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Robby.is.on (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
Yep, what Robby said. GiantSnowman 16:09, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Kane Smith

Hi again. You reverted me at Kane Smith, citing WP:BLP in a three-word message on my talkpage. You also cited WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in your edit summary. That's interesting because that policy states:

While merely citing a policy or guideline may give other editors a clue as to what the reasoning is, it does not explain specifically how the policy applies to the discussion at hand.

I pointed you to some other interesting facts. Margaret Thatcher gives the name of her dad Alfred Roberts (notable) and also her mum Beatrice Ethel Stephenson (not notable). It even gives the name of her paternal grandmother, Catherine Sullivan (not notable). Harold Wilson gives the name of both parents (James Herbert Wilson and Ethel Seddon), both not notable. Liz Truss gives the names of both parents, (John Truss and Priscilla Grasby), both unnotable. Martina Navratilova gives the names of both parents, Mirek Subert and Jana, and her sister (also Jana). It even mentions she has a half brother. All this leads me irresistibly to the conclusion that BLPs which don't give the names of the subject's parents are inadequately researched. That is after studying the policy pointed to by you, which takes the trouble to explain where you are going wrong:

This is generally interpreted by the community to include the removal of names of non-notable minors from articles about their notable family members

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.61.250.249 (talk • contribs)

What is the relevance or notability of his father's name? GiantSnowman 16:09, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
Let me punt that back to you. What is the relevance or the notability of the names Beatrice Ethel Stephenson, Catherine Sullivan, James Herbert Wilson, Ethel Seddon, John Truss, Priscilla Grasby, Mirek Subert, Jana Navratilova (Mrs) and Jana Navratilova (Miss)? I note you've quietly dropped your claim that including Kane Smith's father's name in his article is a policy violation. 156.61.250.249 (talk) 10:42, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
I don't think the names of the other parents are worth including either - as per WP:BLPNAME which I have cited already. GiantSnowman 10:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Here is an analysis of four more articles chosen at random:
  • Vladimir Putin gives the names of Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin and Maria Ivanovna Shelomova (parents) and Albert and Viktor (brothers), all non-notable.
  • Joe Biden gives the names of Joseph Robinette Biden and Catherine Eugenia Finnegan (parents) and Francis (brother), all non-notable.
  • Kamala Harris gives the names of notable family members.
  • Donald Trump gives the names of notable family members and sister Elizabeth (not notable).

Since the views of the people who wrote all these articles do not accord with your own, will you now admit that yours is the minority view? 156.61.250.249 (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

And while you're at it, while following me around you are leaving havoc in your wake. Would you like to read [2] and reconsider your unsourced and false statement? It's bad enough losing a brother without having people adding falsehoods about them. 156.61.250.249 (talk) 11:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you can't understand that, you should not be editing. GiantSnowman 13:56, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
For heaven's sake man! Instead of parroting links to Wikipedia policies please point to the exact words in the policy which you claim supports your minority view. 156.61.250.249 (talk) 14:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Given that you seemingly cannot read - "The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects [...] The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject" (my emphasis). GiantSnowman 07:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Right. We're talking about my editorial discretion and the editorial discretion of the hundreds of thousands of people who have built this encyclopaedia over the past 25 years. Why do you feel the need to interfere, and why do you omit the most relevant part of the policy which commences immediately after the end of your extract from it and shoots you down in flames? 156.61.250.249 (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Well my editorial discretion is to remove Mr Smith's father's name. There is no consensus for it to be included and this is just the latest example of your BLP violations. GiantSnowman 14:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
How is the use of editorial discretion a BLP violation? 156.61.250.249 (talk) 14:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Because the inclusion of this person's name in this article violates WP:BLPNAME. I am not going to discuss this further, thank you for your time. GiantSnowman 14:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
The policy was carefully worded to deal with people like you. The consensus was stated here:

IMHO, close friends and family members are basic genealogical information that interests people; but many, if not most,of our marginally notable biographies don't need to include it. - SchmuckyTheCat 08:07, 30 July 2010

Why not ping Schmucky, tell him you think Kane Smith is "marginally notable" and await his reaction? He might quote back at you the section of policy that you are pretending doesn't exist. 156.61.250.249 (talk) 15:59, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Please do not post here again, thank you. GiantSnowman 16:00, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
I'm not trying to come in on something I don't fully understand, but I think Kane Smith, as a League One footballer, is a bit less noteworthy than the other examples given... MrFattie (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
No, according to the IP his biography should be identical to Thatcher... GiantSnowman 20:45, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Please don't misrepresent my argument GiantSnowman. Your argument implies that as soon as a team goes down the names of players' fathers must be removed from biographies, only to be restored when they go back up, which might be the following season. I can see why some years back ArbCom debated whether to de-sysop you, only to put you under restriction instead. 156.61.250.249 (talk) 09:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2025)

Ice cream social held in a U.S. community college
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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Thank you! GiantSnowman 21:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

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Carol "Kitty" Hafner discussion

So I brought up our nickname discussion form Talk:Carol and Eric Hafner at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#How_should_we_interpret_MOS:NICKNAME? ... but, unfortunately I now see you're away! So sorry. I will wait for you to return and have a chance to respond before implementing whatever is decided there, if anything. --GRuban (talk) 16:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - not a problem, I'm still around a bit over the next few days. GiantSnowman 21:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 7 § Category:Afghan footballers by populated place

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This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2025)

Scandinavian Peninsula
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Peninsula

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Precious anniversary

Precious
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Thank you! GiantSnowman 10:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Non FIFA matches

Hi Mate, can you point me in the direction where it says that non FIFA matches are not counted towards national caps total? Thanks. Simione001 (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Can you point me in the direction that it says we include them? The rationale behind only including league games for domestic stats (i.e. ability to source them) applies here. GiantSnowman 21:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Well i don't know mate, I'm asking you. I don't see how you can equate league games and cup games for a club with national team appearances. One has nothing to do with the other. Your disputing my edit saying they are not included so show me where it says they shouldn't be. If that's the consensus then I've got no problem with that. I've seen many many instances where they have been included, that's all. Simione001 (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. {{Infobox football biography}} states we include competitive and friendly appearances, not non-FIFA nonsense. GiantSnowman 21:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Thank you but I cannot see anything there relating to non-FIFA matches as it pertains to the infobox. Am i missing something? Simione001 (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Well that's the point... GiantSnowman 21:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Draft notability

Hi GS, how are you? I posted this at WT:FOOTY, but nobody replied... Do you think that Draft:Vladyslav Krapyvtsov is available to move to main space through WP:GNG? Thank you, BRDude70 (talk) 20:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

The sources are in Spanish/Catalan or Ukrainian - but they appear to be more ROUTINE transfer news than any significant coverage? GiantSnowman 20:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Most of them are transfer rumours... That's why I asked, because it seems to have good coverage but only about these kinds of possible transfer moves. BRDude70 (talk) 21:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
In which case I don't think it's currently enough. GiantSnowman 21:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
'Kay, I'll keep it in the draftspace then. Thank you :) BRDude70 (talk) 21:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Help and/or guidance with a situation

Hello, would you mind offering me some help and/or guidance with the situation here, as well as the section above it on the Talk page titled "February 2025." This editor has called my statements of and references to consensus "stupid," reverted consensus-based edits over and over again, and accused me of prejudice against Indonesian players. This editor has been warned multiple times, both by me and another admin, and doesn't seem interested in understanding the process of arriving at consensus. I have invited them to bring up the issue at WP:FOOTY if they believe that the current consensus is incorrect, but they continue to insist that, somehow, the argument is a "personal" one between the two of us. I'm at a total loss about what to do here. I would appreciate any help and/or guidance you can offer. Anwegmann (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take a look. GiantSnowman 21:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
I appreciate it. Anwegmann (talk) 21:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I hate to be a nag, but I don't know what is going on with these editors who keep making the same edits against consensus. I am having another issue here with an editor both you and I have had problems with recently. It you look at their talk page, it is liters with warnings, including a final warning from you just last month. It feels like this editor is WP:NOTHERE, as they are incredibly insistent on their own phrasing, even when grammatically incorrect, and are now consciously editing against consensus after multiple explanations. I genuinely hate to bring you into another issue like this in 24 hours, but I figured that you would be the person to turn to because you have been involved in it previously. Anwegmann (talk) 17:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I've warned them for edit warring. If they continue, I'll block. GiantSnowman 17:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, mate. I appreciate your help, again. I'll let you know if anything else happens. Anwegmann (talk) 17:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Consensus?

Do you think it's fair to say there is consensus here? It's been 48 hours since a comment and it seems like discussion has died down.
Should I suggest closing the discussion and making a policy or should I wait/do nothing? What's the course of action? Paul Vaurie (talk) 02:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Wait for the discussion to be automatically archived, and then add a link to it at WP:FOOTYCONSENSUS. GiantSnowman 09:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

MOS:THENICKNAME

Hi GiantSnowman. I saw the outcome regarding Muhammad Ali. Looks like Sonny Liston could go down the same road. To prevent an edit war, should I stop reverting and go somewhere else for help? I edited this certain problem four times since September 2024. I see that others tried to reach out last summer. My encounter with the Ali editor didn't go so well, so I'm asking you first. Thank you in advance. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:53, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

There's a discussion on the Liston talk page. GiantSnowman 15:26, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Thank you. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2025)

Cheesecake recipe from a family cookbook
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Editor's abuse of IPs

This, unfortunately, is related to the same editor we have been dealing with concerning the Team of the Month honours. That user appears now to be abusing the use of IPS—possibly this one, this one, and this one. They are making the same disruptive edits, using the same or very similar summaries, and going against the same consensus I have linked and explained to the original user seemingly endlessly here. You're the admin, so I'll leave the decision up to you, but has this not ventured into explicitly disruptive editing at this point? I appreciate your help. Anwegmann (talk) 17:15, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, if WP:DUCK applies, then he's socking to edit war. I will block. GiantSnowman 17:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Thank you. Please see this editor's talk page as well. They are clearly part of it. Anwegmann (talk) 17:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
If you think the two named accounts are the same person, then WP:SPI - otherwise it's possibly WP:MEAT. Either way I have left them a message. GiantSnowman 17:26, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
I was thinking it was WP:MEAT. I'll let you know if IPs show up again. Thanks for your help. Anwegmann (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Vieirinha

They have returned, even without the account blocked they resorted to IP editing (and shouting!). I have reverted AGAIN! They did even "better" this time, reinstating playoff stuff in the box while adding more apps for current spell at PAOK without PC updating...

Attentively, you have been briefed. RevampedEditor (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

and shouting, AGAIN. 🧐 Robby.is.on (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
Shouting or stressing a particular word? Anything helpful you want to add to this discussion? RevampedEditor (talk) 13:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
All caps are usually read as shouting. Looking through your own contributions, you'll find that you are using all caps in every second or third edit summary, often in tandem with multiple exclamation marks.
Your edits often show up in my watchlist and I feel relieved anytime I see an edit summary from you that doesn't communicate disdain or ridicule of other editors' changes.
So my attempt at being helpful is suggesting you self-reflect on your own way of communicating with others. Robby.is.on (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
I was about to add more before your re-reply, and wanted to say this: if you mean my particular edit summary at Mr. Vieirinha, yes it was shouting i'll admit it with no qualms. Again and again, me and GiantSnowman (and Snowman completely by the book, no hysterics whatsoever) have told IP/user to stop adding that to the infobox, do they care? I can't talk about Snowman or you my fellow user, but it completely wears me out.
Not to take away from many of my summaries (and your assessment of them), some are downright unnecessary to say the least! Attentively RevampedEditor (talk) 14:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
I have blocked the 2 x IPs. In future you can use WP:AIV. GiantSnowman 18:44, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:Eltz has been nominated for renaming

Category:Eltz has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 08:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Callum Stewart

Dear Sir, grateful if you stop amending the changes I made to Callum Stewart. I am his Dad and can confirm he was born in Warwick hospital and is, via both his parents, Scottish.

Many thanks. RoPop (talk) 15:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi there - as you have been repeatedly told, Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. The sources we have say he was born in Leamington and is English.
Furthermore, you should not edit articles about your son per WP:COI. GiantSnowman 19:05, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
Hi GiantSnowman,
With due respect you are wrong on a number of levels.
Firstly, I have been repeatedly told nothing.
Secondly, your source is the Leamington FC webpage which stated he was born in Leamington which suited their purpose and was close enough to the truth and a change post publishing to Warwick would have been unduly pedantic so it was left unchanged.
Thirdly, your sources Leamington FC or local Warwick / Leamington papers however do not say that he is English merely that he was born and brought up in Leamington. Everyone that knows Callum and everyone at Leamington FC and Coventry Sphinx FC will tell you that he is Scottish due to both his parents. He had a Scottish flag against his name on the Leamington FC webpage.
I don’t intend to continue to write to you and will leave it up to you to decide if you wish to knowingly continue to publish inaccurate information. RoPop (talk) 12:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
You were told, at the talk pages of the IP accounts you were editing before.
Where is the reliable source' confirming your claims? For example, he is English here and here. GiantSnowman 18:32, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Request to rmv admin controls for Prashant Chauhan

Hello, I am David from India. I create pages for elected MLAs and for players selected for Indian National teams. In the process of creating BLPs, I came across this Red Link in the Indian Hockey men's team Page which is protected by admin controls after repeated errors in 2012. Requesting that the page for this BLP may be allowed, in good faith as he is now in the Indian team. thanks and regards! Davidindia (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Which link please? GiantSnowman 19:06, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Prashant_Chauhan Davidindia (talk) 14:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
I suggest you create a draft at WP:AFC and we can assess. GiantSnowman 15:42, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
This is not the same person. The present BLP I am planning to create, is an Indian player. The earlier BLP 'repeatedly created' appears to be of a politician. (I assumed). I usually create pages for any Indian debutant. I am an autopatrol editor with over 1000 BLP pages. In good faith I approached you since you appears to be the one who protected the page. thanks and best regards. Davidindia (talk) 17:15, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
I know it's not the same person, that is why I have not restored the article, and that is why I suggested you create a draft at AFC. GiantSnowman 17:17, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
Ok sure. thanks for the suggestion. Davidindia (talk) 17:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Editor not communicating

Hey, I hope you don't mind the talk page request, I don't think this warrants an ANI post yet, and the admin I'd usually reach out to for cases like these is unavailable at the moment. I saw you commented on the AfD for USA Cup/Intercontinental Cup 1950, an article which @Jvore7 created. They had a very similar article speedy deleted, and then reverted two attempts to move the article back to draft space, which has inevitably led to the AfD in question. I and four others editors have commented on their talk page, and while they have edited on there (so they know it exists, and this is not a case of WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU), their replies don't really make much sense (perhaps a WP:CIR case as well). Since then they have added similar unsourced content to Beşiktaş J.K.. Would you consider imposing a partial block on article space so that they can discuss their edits without further disruption? If you want me to take this to ANI then let me know and I will do instead. Thanks FozzieHey (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Do you have any diffs of the disruptive edits? I can then properly review. GiantSnowman 15:44, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
Apologies, should have linked those originally.
- So we have an initial edit to User:Jvore7/sandbox, which I believe eventually became USA Cup / Intercontinental Cup which was speedy deleted (although you'll obviously be able to confirm). This is similar to the article at AfD now.
- The first revert of the move to draftspace
- The second revert of the move to draftspace
- The revision history at User talk:Jvore7 shows the attempts to communicate, they subsequently did make two edits to their talk page, but neither of them really make much sense.
- They then made this unsourced edit to Beşiktaş J.K..
Again, if I thought all of these were intentionally bad edits, I would have gone straight to ANI, but I believe this is more a WP:CIR case so I felt trying to get them to discuss their edits via a partial block was the better approach. FozzieHey (talk) 16:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
A few more, making unsourced edits to List of Beşiktaş J.K. honors. This edit seems like a copy and paste from another wiki (without any translation)? Linking to their article on seemingly unrelated pages. I'm sure they could improve their edits with some discussion, but not being able to effectively communicate on talk pages is a big barrier to that, and recreating articles / reverting draftifications doesn't help either. FozzieHey (talk) 16:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
I've deleted the copyvio, and warned them about unsourced content. Please let me know if it continues. GiantSnowman 16:36, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look, I will do. I do find cases like this to be the trickiest at dealing with, as it is obviously not vandalism, but still causes disruption. FozzieHey (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2025)

Katz's Delicatessen, a popular Jewish deli on the Lower East Side in New York City
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Jewish deli

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Proposed deletion of Steef Weijers

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