Talk:Moran Zer Katzenstein

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Moran Zer Katzenstein at a protest rally

• ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein, founder of "Bonot Alternativa" (Women Building an Alternative) stands at the forefront of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/founder-of-group-behind-handmaid-protests-women-are-realizing-danger-of-the-overhaul/
  • ALT1: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein, founder of "Bonot Alternativa" (Women Building an Alternative), is the woman who stands behind "The Handmaid's Protest Marches" which became a symbol of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/israels-handmaids-become-defining-image-of-protests-against-netanyahu-2023-3
  • ALT2: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein is an Israeli women's rights activist who stands behind "The Handmaid's Protest Marches" which became a symbol of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/rkqp3rzyn
  • ALT3: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein is an Israeli social and women's rights activist who stands at the forefront of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.atmag.co.il/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%9F-%D7%96%D7%A8-%D7%A7%D7%A6%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F/
  • ALT4: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein is the woman who stands behind "The Handmaids Protests", part of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.atmag.co.il/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%9F-%D7%96%D7%A8-%D7%A7%D7%A6%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F/
  • ALT5: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein is the woman responsible for "The Handmaids Protests", part of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.atmag.co.il/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%9F-%D7%96%D7%A8-%D7%A7%D7%A6%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F/
  • ALT6: ... that "The Handmaids Protests", were established by women's rights activist Moran Zer Katzenstein as part of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel? Source: https://www.atmag.co.il/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%9F-%D7%96%D7%A8-%D7%A7%D7%A6%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F/
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Created by Omert33 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Moran Zer Katzenstein; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 03:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: this is my first review. Anyone may let me know if there are issues. Thanks, NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 03:14, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Not a fan of the overly-promotional nature of the hooks ("stands at the forefront" or "stands behind" appears in none of the sources as far as I can see) or of the article ("women's rights activist, lecturer, social activist, strategist and media personality" seems like it could be slimmed down to just the first descriptor) @NightWolf1223 and Omert33:. In addition, not every paragraph is sourced, and the prose quality is weak. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, a QPQ is needed from the nominator; they have nominated six articles previously at DYK (Ronen Eldan), Gonen Ben Itzhak, Shikma Bressler, Ohad Elimelech, Ishay Ribo, and David Nekrutman). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Moved back to nomination section so not clog up WP:DYKNA. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Omert33: A QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done. QPQ was given here. --Omer Toledano (talk) 06:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

• Omert33, thank you for the QPQ. However, I don't see that, even after a month, you have made any attempt to address the other issues raised: the overly promotional hooks, the requested sourcing (at least two paragraphs still have none), and the need to improve the prose quality. Progress needs to be made soon on these aspects if you wish to continue pursuing this nomination. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: 1) I've added sourcing. 2) About the "promotional" hooks, there are several there. If indeed they are "promotional", I believe the third one (ALT2) is the least "promotional". Perhaps something along the lines of (Moran Zer Katzenstein is an Israeli women's rights activist who stands behind "The Handmaid's Protest Marches" which became a symbol of the ongoing judicial reform protests held across Israel?) would be more suitable. --Omer Toledano (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Pinging AirshipJungleman29, to see whether the issues raised have been addressed to their satisfaction. BlueMoonset (talk) 09:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with AirshipJungleman29 that the hooks are overly promotional, and have struck them accordingly. I also don't love the proposed alternative, so let's try and give it one more shot and then decide what to do. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I've added more hooks 4, 5, 6 for your consideration. What do you think? --Omer Toledano (talk) 02:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

theleekycauldron, your thoughts on the newly proposed ALT hooks? BlueMoonset (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll approve a copyedited:

• ALT7: ... that Moran Zer Katzenstein led a women's march inspired by The Handmaid's Tale in protest of Israeli judicial reform?

Someone has a snappier way to put it, let me know :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)