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Ci Sha

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No indication of notability per WP:NACTOR. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to establish notability. The content does not provide enough verifiable information. --Loewstisch (talk) 09:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Hong, Minghua 洪铭铧 (2024-06-25). "娱乐吃瓜：最像郭靖的郭靖此沙幸运背后的压力与艰辛" [Entertainment: The pressure and hardship behind the luck of Guo Jing, who is most like Guo Jing]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
  The article notes: "27岁的此沙是彝族，本名诺苏木古惹古吉乌此沙，出生于四川省凉山彝族自治州。金庸小说给他侠义感，能从故事中感受到人物的重情重义，..."
  From Google Translate: "The 27-year-old Cisha is of the Yi ethnic group. His real name is Nuosumuguregujiwu Cisha. He was born in Liangshan Yi Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province. Jin Yong's novels give him a sense of chivalry, and he can feel the characters' loyalty and righteousness from the stories. ..."
2. Fu, Yuanyuan 傅圆媛 (2024-07-05). "此沙：从杨戬到郭靖，因为起步晚才更努力追赶" [This Sand: From Yang Jian to Guo Jing, because they started late, they worked harder to catch up]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Sohu.
  The article notes: "一轮轮的试戏，此沙至今记忆犹新，其中不乏与黄蓉、杨康的对手戏考验，以至于很多戏份到了正式拍摄时，此沙早已滚瓜烂熟，熟记于心。最终，历经层层筛选，此沙如愿以偿来到了横店，加入了《金庸武侠世界》这一梦寐以求的剧组。"
  From Google Translate: "Cisha still remembers the rounds of auditions, including the rivalry with Huang Rong and Yang Kang, so that when the official shooting came, Cisha had already memorized many scenes by heart. Finally, after layers of screening, Cisha came to Hengdian as he wished and joined the long-awaited crew of "Jin Yong's Martial Arts World"."
  The article notes: "在去年夏天因《封神》被大众熟识后，此沙过往追梦演艺圈的励志经历在网络上被高频提及，这当中有跑龙套的种种辛酸，也有抗拒诱惑对表演的坚持，“不给自己留退路”的此沙最终凭借自身的锲而不舍敲开了演员道路的大门，从大凉山到北京，再至更远的前方，一路上的经历，都被此沙视为“宝贵的财富”。"
  From Google Translate: "After becoming well-known to the public for "Fengshen" last summer, Cisha's inspirational experience of pursuing his dream of the entertainment industry was frequently mentioned on the Internet. Among them, there were all kinds of bitterness of being a supporting actor, as well as the persistence of resisting temptation and acting. Cisha, who "did not leave a way out for himself", finally opened the door to the road of an actor with his own perseverance. From Daliangshan to Beijing, and then to the farther front, the experiences along the way were regarded by Cisha as "precious wealth"."
3. Huang, Yuhan 黄钰涵 (2020-05-08). "电影《封神三部曲》杨戬造型曝光演员此沙减重20斤" [The styling of Yang Jian in the movie "The Conferred Gods Trilogy" is revealed. Actor Ci Sha lost 20 pounds] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
  The article notes: "据悉，饰演杨戬的此沙，在《封神三部曲》演员训练营初期是按照质子旅的角色进行了增肌增重等各种训练，并专注于使用弓箭、刀等质子旅的武器。每天的训练时长更是不少于12小时，为了呈现古代战士身材的肌肉线条，体现原始的男性美，此沙增重15斤左右。"
  From Google Translate: "It is reported that Cisha, who plays Yang Jian, carried out various trainings such as muscle gain and weight gain according to the role of the Proton Brigade in the early stage of the actor training camp of "The Conferred Gods Trilogy", and focused on using the weapons of the Proton Brigade such as bows and arrows and knives. The training time every day is no less than 12 hours. In order to show the muscle lines of the ancient warrior's body and reflect the original male beauty, Cisha gained about 15 kilograms."
4. "饰演郭靖压力大，演员此沙自曝吃速效救心丸" [Playing Guo Jing is stressful, actor Ci Sha reveals he took quick-acting heart pills]. Red Star News [zh] (in Chinese). 2024-06-20. Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
  The article notes: "1997年，演员此沙出生在四川的大凉山。在微博里，他发过几张自己的童年照，在西昌市的武校，在县城的民族小学，在镇上的照相馆，以及在他出生的村庄。家人对他的期望是做一个好的“长子”，继承家里的羊皮生意；武校教练希望他能留校当老师。"
  From Google Translate: "In 1997, actor Ci Sha was born in Daliang Mountain, Sichuan. On Weibo, he posted several childhood photos of himself, at the martial arts school in Xichang City, at the ethnic primary school in the county, at the photo studio in the town, and in the village where he was born. The family's expectation for him is to be a good "eldest son" and inherit the family's sheepskin business; the martial arts school coach hopes that he can stay in school as a teacher."
5. Dong, Zhao 洞照 (2024-03-16). "原创演员此沙：郭靖的精神和境界，我只学到十分之一" [Actor Ci Sha: I have only learned one tenth of Guo Jing's spirit and realm]. New Weekly [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Sohu.
  The article notes: "2022年夏秋之交，此沙结束一部作品的拍摄，从象山回到北京。机缘巧合下，他参与了单元剧《金庸武侠世界》的试戏。出品方耀客文化的创始人吕超看了此沙的试戏片段，又了解到他的成长背景以及骑马、摔跤的专长，便提出让他试演郭靖。"
  From Google Translate: "At the turn of summer and autumn in 2022, Cisha finished filming a work and returned to Beijing from Xiangshan. By chance, he participated in the audition of the unit drama "Jin Yong's Martial Arts World". Lv Chao, the founder of the producer Yaoke Culture, watched Cisha's audition clips, and learned about his growth background and expertise in horse riding and wrestling, so he proposed that he audition Guo Jing."
6. Shen, Jiequn 沈杰群 (2024-07-04). "此沙：从杨戬到郭靖，去感受表演每一程" [Ci Sha: From Yang Jian to Guo Jing, experience every step of the performance]. China Youth Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "出生于四川省凉山彝族自治州的95后青年演员此沙，在过去的这一年内从银幕到荧屏，圈粉无数。"
  From Google Translate: "Ci Sha, a young actor born after 1995 in Liangshan Yi Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, has won countless fans from the silver screen to the TV screen in the past year."
  The article notes: "在大山里出生、长大，去城里上学，然后再到北京打拼，闯荡演艺圈……此沙觉得自己这一路经历也和郭靖有几分相似，他亦从这个角色身上收获颇多，“和郭靖一起成长”，例如学习不求回报、不计较得失的处世态度。"
  From Google Translate: "Born and raised in the mountains, went to school in the city, and then worked hard in Beijing to venture into the entertainment industry... Ci Sha felt that his experience along the way was somewhat similar to that of Guo Jing. He also gained a lot from this role, "growing up with Guo Jing", such as learning the attitude of dealing with the world without seeking rewards and not caring about gains and losses."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ci Sha (Chinese: 此沙) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chindia

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Could be made a sentence or two on China–India relations, without its own article. At present it's largely just describing China–India relations and is a WP:DEFINITION page. It doesn't qualify as WP:WORDISSUBJECT. seefooddiet (talk) 21:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom. A random mix of facts that doesn't warrant a wikipedia article. Also, controversial comments such as 'Europe is looking towards China to lead economic recovery' should not be supported by just a random news article. SJD Willoughby (talk) 02:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very selective merge/redirect to China–India relations. Here is a source I found about the subject:
1. Thussu, Daya Kishan (2014-11-10). "De-Americanising Media Studies and the Rise of "Chindia"". Javnost—The Public, Journal of the European Institute for Communication and Culture. Taylor & Francis. doi:10.1080/13183222.2013.11009126.
  The article notes: "The Other Globalisation: China+India = Chindia. What is the bilateral relationship between the world’s two ancient civilisations, with the largest populations and fastest growing economies? Jairam Ramesh, political analyst and currently India’s Rural Development Minister, is credited with coining the term “Chindia,” a phenomenon representing what has been termed as the “rise of the rest” in a “post-American world” (Ramesh 2005; Zakaria 2008). The idea of this neologism seems to be catching on; a Google search for the word “Chindia” shows more than 800,000 hits. Any meaningful discussion of global media research ought to take into account the rapid growth of these two large nations with their potential to influence the emerging global scene."
  The article notes: "Can the growth of media and communication studies in Chindia contribute to broadening research concerns and agendas in this relatively new fi eld? Conforming to the social sciences more generally, research in the media and communication arena too has been traditionally influenced by what Edward Said has shown as a Eurocentric essentialism of thought, where the “other” was imagined or created as part of an ideological discourse, privileging European imperialist epistemology (Said 1978). ..."
The source notes that "Chindia" is a neologism created by Jairam Ramesh. It may be possible to write an article about the "Chindia" neologism" but this article is not it as it focuses on Chinese–India relations and relies on sources that briefly mention "Chindia" without discussing it in detail.
I recommend a redirect to China–India relations with a mention that "Chindia" is a neologism created by Ramesh. I support a merge, not a redirect, because aside from a mention in the "See also" section, China–India relations currently does not mention "Chindia" in the body of the article.
No prejudice against recreating the article if one that does not violate Wikipedia:No original research and does not duplicate China–India relations can be created.
Cunard (talk) 10:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nanhai Chao

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Unable to find sources that would make the article meet notability.日期20220626 (talk) 22:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Wikipedia:Verifiability. The article notes:
"Nanhai Chao" (Chinese: 南海潮; pinyin: Nan2 Hai3 Chao2; Cantonese Yale: Naam4 Hoi2 Chiu4), or "Southern Sea Tides", is a Cantonese song often sung by Overseas Chinese of Cantonese origin. Its melody is based on the folk songs of the fishermen in the Pearl River Delta and its adjacent coasts.
In my searches for sources for "Nanhai Chao" (Chinese: 南海潮), I could not find any reliable sources that even mention this song. My searches for sources found a 1962 Chinese film with the same Chinese name titled Waves on the South-China Sea [no] (Chinese: 南海潮). There is a unanimous consensus for deletion so far in the open AfD on the Chinese Wikipedia at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2024/09/05#南海潮. Cunard (talk) 08:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Han–Xiongnu War (215 BC–200 BC)

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Fail to see how this is notable, can't find any WP:RS on this "Han–Xiongnu War (215 BC–200 BC)". The creator of this article basically copied the stuff they were reverted (and blocked) for at Battle of Baideng here. They've misused tons of citations here [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9], and recently engaged in copyvio in another article [10], which may also be the case here. Most of the citations left are unverifiable (which is very convenient, I can't look for further violations) and doesn't strike me as WP:RS. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also likely sock/meat puppetry involved here per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hunnic Enjoyer. Two brand new users have attempted to remove the AFD template so far. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ZWCAD

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This software page does not comply with WP:PRODUCT. It has only routine not sustained coverage in reliable independent secondary sources. Old-AgedKid (talk) 12:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Xu, Shiqi 徐诗琪 (2020-05-28). Lin, Teng 林腾 (ed.). "【独家】租来的技术却称自主产权？中望软件的核心技术之谜" [Exclusive: Rented Technology Claimed as Proprietary? The Mystery Behind ZWSOFT's Core Technology]. Jiemian News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Based on the prospectus, Jiemian News conducted an in-depth investigation and found that ZWCAD is actually a product developed based on a third-party kernel, and the so-called "completely independent property rights" is out of the question. The reason is that ZWCAD is not only a member of these international technology agreements mentioned in the prospectus, but its core technology comes from these two international organizations called ODA and ITC. ... Therefore, ZWCAD's software can be said to be based on the core of the ODA organization and an improved product of the IntelliCAD platform software of the ITC organization. ... In 2014, Autodesk, the parent company that developed the AutoCAD software, sued ZWCAD in the Netherlands and the United States, claiming that "AutoCAD source code was stolen and improperly used in the development of ZWCAD+.""
2. van der Velden, Ruud (2014-12-23). "Dutch judge orders disclosure of source code in China". Journal of Intellectual Property Law & Practice. Vol. 10, no. 2. pp. 83–85. doi:10.1093/jiplp/jpu227.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "In 2002, the Chinese company ZWSoft started to bring CAD programs on the market under the name ZWCAD. ZWSoft continued to develop the ZWCAD program and brought several different versions on the market over the years. In 2012, ZWSoft brought a new CAD program on the market, ZWCAD+. When introducing this program, ZWSoft indicated that ZWCADþ would be fundamentally different from ZWCAD and that it would have developed it ‘from the ground up’. ZWCAD+ could be purchased in the Netherlands through ZWSoft’s website. Autodesk took the view that ZWCAD+ was not developed ‘from the ground up’, but instead was based on the source code of Autodesk’s AutoCAD 2008 program, and that ZWSoft infringed Autodesk’s copyrights and violated its trade secrets. ... Autodesk initiated preliminary relief proceedings before the Provisions Judge of the District Court of The Hague claiming inter alia an injunction and an order for a copy of the source code of ZWCAD+ to be provided to a custodian in the Netherlands."
3. Sava, Alexandra (2018-12-13). "ZWCAD Viewer". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.
  The review notes: "ZWCAD Viewer is an application designed to help you open and analyze or make measurements on plot drawings that you have created using various CAD software solutions. The program comes with a fresh and intuitive interface, so it is unlikely that you can have any issues loading or previewing the plots. While you can preview 2D and 3D models, the application is compatible with only a few file formats, namely DWG, DWF and DWT from versions R12 to 2013. ... In the eventuality that you are looking for a straightforward and intuitive utility that enables you to open most CAD-generated drawings and examine them minutely, then perhaps ZWCAD Viewer might come in handy."
4. Sava, Alexandra (2023-08-03). "ZWCAD". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2024-09-06. Retrieved 2024-09-06.
  The review notes: "To sum it up, ZWCAD+ is a comprehensive software solution for your architectural needs and it can provide you with a large variety of tools. You should be aware that due to its nature, this program packs several technical functions that can be difficult to understand if you do not meet certain CAD skill requirements."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow ZWCAD to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. GNG established. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keystone Academy

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~~Unable to find sufficient WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to meet WP:GNG/WP:NSCHOOL.~~ Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn; see note below Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete need more significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 13:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks sources for notability --Loewstisch (talk) 08:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Alsop, Zoe (2014-10-30). "Letter from Beijing: Inside the private schools educating China's elite". New Statesman. Archived from the original on 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.
  The article notes: "At the far corner of the abandoned village is a surprising sight: a tidy quadrangle of red-brick buildings stands behind a wrought-iron fence, looking like the Hollywood set of a school. Against the relentless grey of suburban Beijing, the grass lawns are so green they appear lit from within. This is Keystone Academy, whose website boasts that the school will nurture the emergence of “the Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg of China”, tapping in to the ambitions of the country’s new elite. Such schools are wary of journalists, so I posed as a prospective parent to take a look inside. Keystone Academy is modelled on a New England boarding school, and says it uses the same curriculum as Sidwell Friends, where Barack Obama’s daughters study. It is the brainchild of well-connected private investors, and it charges fees of up to £25,000 a year, roughly six times the per-capita income in China."
2. Bao, Chengrong (2013-09-13). "Keystone Academy seeks students for new curriculum". Beijing Today. ProQuest 1674465023.
  The article notes: "Keystone Academy, a new international school in Beijing, began recruiting its first batch of 300 students last week. Although the school is in its early stages of development, it has already attracted wide attention with its new education model and highly esteemed leadership team. Malcolm McKenzie, the school's founder, said any school can become an international school if it chooses. ... Unlike many of China's international schools, which accept only few students from the Chinese populace, Keystone plans to open 75 percent of its enrollment to locals. Students from Grades 1 to 12 will be required to study a curriculum that puts China in a global context and includes its history, art, culture, politics and geography. ... Keystone's education model focuses on an internationally recognized liberal arts curriculum. Younger students will study the International Primary Curriculum (IPC) that has been widely used at schools in 80 countries. In middle school, they will learn the International Baccalaureate Middle Years Program (IBMYP) that has been customized to suit the specific requirements of Keystone."
3. Holahan, David (2018-02-25). "Keystone Academy - Exporting Education - Creating A U.S.-Style Prep School In Beijing". Hartford Courant. Archived from the original on 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.
  The article notes: "In 2011 a Chinese businessman who was familiar with Choate approached Shanahan, who was retiring that year, to help establish a private K-12 academy in Beijing. Shanahan in turn recruited McKenzie to be the head of school and enlisted Centerbrook Architects, a firm known for its work on independent school campuses, to design classrooms and other interior spaces. The result of this international collaboration is Keystone Academy, a day and boarding institution that opened in 2014; it now educates 12,000 students with a capacity for 6,000 more. McKenzie, who recruited several Hotchkiss colleagues to join him at Keystone, said that the current enrollment is more than 90 percent Chinese students, but the goal is to have a three-to-one ratio of indigenous to foreign students, the latter typically being the offspring of foreign officials or businesspeople living in the capital region."
4. Huang, Jin 黄金 (2018-07-30). "临空港首所国际化学校拟于2020年招生" [The first international school in Linkong Port plans to enroll students in 2020]. Changjiang Daily [zh] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "据了解，此前北京美联文华投资有限公司曾于北京市顺义区投资建设国际化学校——北京市鼎石学校。该学校采用沉浸式中英双语教学模式，教授国际课程。此次与武汉临空港经开区管委会签约建校项目，将参照北京市鼎石学校办学思路，结合武汉市教育国际化水平和现实需求，将学校建成武汉市内高水平的、小学到高中一贯制的国际化学校。"
  From Google Translate: "It is understood that Beijing Meten Investment Co., Ltd. previously invested in the construction of an international school in Shunyi District, Beijing - Beijing Keystone School. The school adopts an immersive Chinese-English bilingual teaching model and teaches international courses. The school construction project signed with the Management Committee of Wuhan Linkonggang Economic Development Zone will refer to the school-running ideas of Beijing Keystone School, combined with the internationalisation level and actual needs of Wuhan's education, and build the school into a high-level, elementary to high school international school in Wuhan."
5. Less significant coverage:
  1. "Ministry calms anxiety over private schools". Shanghai Daily. Xinhua News Agency. 2016-11-10. ProQuest 1838211347.
    The article notes: "To the public, the law's definition of "for-profit" didn't appear so straightforward, since even some non-profit schools charge fees that some consider prohibitive. Keystone Academy, a school in Beijing, charges annual tuition of over 200,000 yuan (US$29,500) per student, four times the disposable income of an average Beijinger in 2015."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Keystone Academy (simplified Chinese: 北京市鼎石学校; traditional Chinese: 北京市鼎石學校) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Cunard. Nomination withdrawn; keep per sources you identified. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Consulate-General of China, Chongjin

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Consulates are rarely notable. I'm certainly not seeing how this one is, with lines such as "The consulate expressed "deep condolences" after Kim Jong-il's death in 2011". Fails WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 13:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete agree that consulates are rarely notable. Fails WP:ORG and GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of diplomatic missions in North Korea#Consulates general, where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The subject does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No one so far argues to keep the article. Whether to delete or redirect, though, could use more input. Why keep the history?
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Comment: Responding to the relist comment, it is useful to keep the history per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion so that non-admins have access to the content and the sources. This gives non-admins the option to reuse the content and sources to expand and source other articles like List of diplomatic missions in North Korea#Consulates general. This gives non-admins the option to undo the redirect if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future (and reuse some of the previous content) without having to ask an admin to undelete the article. The page history does not contain WP:BLP violations or copyright violations so there is no harm to retaining the redirect. Cunard (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me very unlikely sources will be "found in the future" about this consulate. There's also very little useful content or sources to retain behind the redirect. AusLondonder (talk) 12:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yogacharya Govindan Nair

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I don’t see any sources in English to support WP:AUTHOR. The subject has written multiple books but I see no in-depth reviews, just online bookshops and Wikipedia mirrors. Mccapra (talk) 05:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Twenty Seventh Edition of his book was released on the International day by the publisher who published his book nearly 4 decades ago. here is the link https://www.instagram.com/dcbooks/p/C8eOMOMyNxz/?hl=en&img_index=1 2405:201:E010:706F:F0B9:15A2:5E91:AA5B (talk) 13:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No sources on the page. Fails WP:NBIO. Fails WP:NAUTHOR, who is not widely cited by peers or successors. As Author and Yoga instructor, subject has not created a significant or well-known work and I cannot find subject's work in multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work. Fails WP:GNG too. RangersRus (talk) 13:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. The article creator objects to deletion (see User talk:Versatilegeek#Nomination of Yogacharya Govindan Nair for deletion) so I don't think Soft Deletion is an option.
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There are sources for the article and there is no ground for deleting this page. Lack of contribution does not necessitate deletion of a page. Such a practice will only contribute to removal of information about the lesser known people. I strongly oppose the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Versatilegeek (talk • contribs) 07:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed this comment which was placed outside the discussion so I have moved it here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to the objection that “there are sources” my response as nominator is that I don’t doubt that the subject is the author of multiple books. What there is not is anything that demonstrates notability. We don’t allow bio articles sourced almost entirely to online shopping sites with dead links. In addition not a single detail of the subject’s life is even verifiable based on the refs in the article or anything else I can find in English. I don’t think it’s acceptable to retain an entirely unverified bio on the strength of a claim that “there are sources.” Mccapra (talk) 06:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article here from the Times Group, https://malayalam.samayam.com/feature/special-stories/who-was-yogacharya-govindan-nair/articleshow/101135876.cms, seems like a credible source describing the subject as the populizer of yoga in Kerala. Given the Indian context, it is not necessary that a historical subject, especially in Kerala, should be widely cited in the English media to be notable. Pinknetwork123 (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you say, sources don’t have to be in English. They can be in any language but if they exist this discussion is the place to share them. Mccapra (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment: I believe the Malayalam samayam source mentioned by Pinknetwork123 is WP:CIRCULAR. The feature story reads exactly like it was generated from this Wikipedia article, with no new information. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ji (surname 蓟)

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Nonnotable surname (only one notable individual with this surname, who probably died 1800 years ago and who has no page on enwiki); material can be merged into Ji (surname). We don't need so many articles with Chinese disambiguators. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, unless a stronger reason for deletion can be provided. The article currently cites multiple sources – is there something wrong with them? It doesn't make sense to merge to what is effectively a disambiguation page. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per Mx. Granger. What's wrong with articles using Chinese disambiguators? C F A 💬 22:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources are entirely lists and it fails WP:NNAME. I'm failing to see how the article passes WP:NOTDICT. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the first source is just a list of surnames from 1,000 years ago. It is a trivial mention and improper use of primary sources. The second source doesn't mention the surname, I can't really tell if the third source is reliable or not, it appears to be user generated but it may just be how the site is presented. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ji (surname): The Keep views here fail to address the valid concerns about the weakness of sources. It's not that we don't need this article, it's that without proper sourcing we can't have it. Owen× ☎ 05:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Zhu, Tianmin 朱天民 (2009). 姓氏的尊嚴：從姓氏起源察知神對人無盡的愛 [The Dignity of Surnames: Discover God's Endless Love for People from the Origin of Surnames] (in Chinese). Taipei: 歸主出版社. pp. 262–263. ISBN 978-986-6769-160. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "我所姓的這「薊」,很少人能正確的認識,當然是因為這姓氏太少;可是,究其歷史卻是相當久遠。約等於士師後的撒母耳時代,周武王封黃帝裔孫於「薊」,即今日的北京城西的大部分地區,後代就以「薊」為姓而留存。"
  From Google Translate: "Very few people can correctly recognize my surname "Ji", of course because there are so few people with this surname; but Yes, its history is quite long. Around the time of Samuel after the Judges, King Wu of the Zhou Dynasty named the descendants of the Yellow Emperor "Ji", which is most of the area west of Beijing today. The descendants continued to use "Ji" as their surname."
  The book notes: "然若查考古人為何以圖二的「草」,與圖三的「魚」和圖四象形的「刀」來組成,而稱開紫色小花之菊科花草的名字。乍看之下,它們似乎是毫不相干;當然,依造字的原則,可叫我們知道它是一種草的名字。又因它的葉子為魚翅狀,所以就如此組合。可是,古人又把它的右旁組以圖四的「刀」, 真會使這魚和草都不敢面對。"
  From Google Translate: "However, if we look into why the archaeologists combined the "grass" in Figure 2 with the "fish" in Figure 3 and the pictographic "knife" in Figure 4 to name the flowers and plants of the Compositae family with small purple flowers. At first glance, they seem to have nothing to do with each other; of course, according to the principles of word creation, we know that it is the name of a kind of grass. And because its leaves are shark fin-shaped, they are combined like this. However, the ancients also placed the "knife" in Figure 4 on the right side of it, which really made the fish and grass afraid to face it."
2. Xu, Tiesheng 徐铁生; Hou, Xiaoru 侯笑如, eds. (2017). "263蓟　Jì". 《百家姓》新解（精） [A New Interpretation of "Hundred Family Surnames" (Excerpt)] (in Chinese). Beijing: Zhonghua Book Company. ISBN 978-7-101-12533-7. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Google Books.
  The book notes:
  姓不在中国400个常见姓之列。分布于北京市，河北石家庄、正定、滦南、永年，山西太原、大同（市）、朔州、阳泉、长治（市）、介休、万荣、孝义、汾阳、文水、绛县，江苏南京、常州、无锡、兴化，浙江宁波、海盐，安徽宿松，福建柘荣、三明，山东高密、烟台，河南中牟、宁陵、义马，湖北武汉、钟祥、英山、荆州、石首、公安，湖南长沙（市、县）、岳阳（市）、华容、益阳、攸县、衡阳（市），贵州正安，陕西西安、合阳，甘肃酒泉等地。望出内黄县。
  蓟姓有内黄堂、宗新堂等堂号。
  相传蓟姓出内黄帝轩辕氏之后，蓟姓家族因以“宗轩”为家族堂号。
  蓟氏，祁姓。以国为氏。蓟国，在今北京城西南隅。周武王时始封，后灭于燕。
  蓟姓历史人物有：蓟辽，东汉建安中驸马都尉，齐人。
  From Google Translate:
  The surname is not among the 400 common surnames in China. It is distributed in Beijing, Shijiazhuang, Zhengding, Luannan, Yongnian in Hebei, Taiyuan, Datong (city), Shuozhou, Yangquan, Changzhi (city), Jiexiu, Wanrong, Xiaoyi, Fenyang, Wenshui, Jiangxian in Shanxi, Nanjing, Changzhou, Wuxi, Xinghua in Jiangsu, Ningbo, Haiyan in Zhejiang, Susong in Anhui, Zherong, Sanming in Fujian, Gaomi, Yantai in Shandong, Zhongmou, Ningling, Yima in Henan, Wuhan, Zhongxiang, Yingshan, Jingzhou, Shishou, Gong'an in Hubei, Changsha (city, county), Yueyang (city), Huarong, Yiyang, Youxian, Hengyang (city) in Hunan, Zheng'an in Guizhou, Xi'an, Heyang in Shaanxi, Jiuquan in Gansu, etc. The ancestors came from Neihuang County.
  The Ji surname has hall names such as Neihuang Hall and Zongxin Hall.
  According to legend, the Ji surname came from the descendants of Emperor Huangdi Xuanyuan, so the Ji surname family used "Zongxuan" as the family hall name.
  Ji clan, Qi surname. The surname is taken from the country. Ji State was located in the southwest corner of Beijing. It was first established during the reign of King Wu of Zhou and was later destroyed by Yan.
  Historical figures with the surname Ji include: Ji Liao, a military commander of the imperial son-in-law during the Jian'an period of the Eastern Han Dynasty, from Qi.
3. "以蓟为姓在童话里飞扬" [With Ji as the surname, soaring in the fairy tale]. Beijing Evening News (in Chinese). 2022-04-06. Archived from the original on 2024-09-09. Retrieved 2024-09-09 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "也由于被人喜爱，才有了蓟国，并带来了蓟姓。据《姓氏考略》记载，大约在殷商时期，古代范阳（约今北京城西南一带）因为漫山遍野长着独具气质和才情的蓟，便自然形成一个小国，史称蓟国。蓟国是今北京最早形成的国家之一。... 蓟在中国古代姓氏中的位置也比较理想，开创了神话一般的存在。其中心人物是东汉建安年间名士蓟子训。正史、野史、方志类古籍对他均有记载。"
  From Google Translate: "Because of its popularity, the Ji State was established, and the Ji surname was brought to the country. According to the "Surname Research", around the Shang Dynasty, the ancient Fanyang (approximately the southwest of Beijing today) naturally formed a small country, known as the Ji State, because the mountains and plains were full of Ji with unique temperament and talent. The Ji State was one of the earliest countries formed in Beijing today. ... Ji also has an ideal position in ancient Chinese surnames, creating a mythical existence. The central figure is Ji Zixun, a famous scholar during the Jian'an period of the Eastern Han Dynasty. He is recorded in official history, unofficial history, and local chronicles."
4. "蓟姓起源,名人及家谱" [Origin of the Ji surname, celebrities and family tree]. Shangdu.com [zh] (in Chinese). 2008-07-17. Archived from the original on 2014-05-08. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
  The article notes: "据《姓氏考略》记载：周武王封黄帝的后裔于蓟（今北京），其子孙便以国名为姓。"
  From Google Translate: "According to the "Surname Research", King Wu of Zhou granted the descendants of Emperor Huangdi the title of Ji (now Beijing), and their descendants took the name of the country as their surname."
5. Wang, Kezhong 王克忠 (2011). 国学精粹 [The Essence of Chinese Studies] (in Chinese). Beijing: China Textile Press [zh]. ISBN 978-7-5064-7230-2. Retrieved 2024-09-09.
  The book notes: "【蓟姓】西周时,周武王封黄帝的后代在蓟,其就以蓟为自己家族的姓氏。"
  From Google Translate: "[Ji surname] During the Western Zhou Dynasty, King Wu of Zhou granted the descendants of Emperor Huang the title of Marquis of Ji, and they took Ji as their family surname."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ji (surname 蓟) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the thorough search. I am in no position to comment on the reliability or independence of the sources, but none seem to offer significant coverage. At most, they read like a minor entry in a genealogy catalog. Owen× ☎ 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After translating from Chinese to English through Google Translate, Zhu 2009 provides 352 words of coverage about the subject, Xu & Hou 2017 provides 205 words of coverage about the subject, and Beijing Evening News 2009 provides about 500 words of coverage about the subject. I consider this to be significant coverage about the subject. Cunard (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Out of the 205 words in Xu & Hou 2017, a full 79 words are used for an exhaustive list of all the regions where the name is found, leaving a mere 126 for the actual prose. And much of the Beijing Evening News 2009 is about 蓟国 -- Ji (state in modern Beijing) -- the geographical region, not the surname. WP:SIGCOV is determined by the depth of coverage provided, not by the number of words used to describe the subject. There may be other sources about this surname, but I believe what we see here is what most editors would describe as "blurbs" - short description, usually of promotional nature. Owen× ☎ 11:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong related deletions

Eastern Shadows

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Fails WP:NBAND. I found no reliable sources about them. I see no verifiable claim of notability on the article. Badbluebus (talk) 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Wikipedia:Verifiability. I considered supporting a a selective merge/redirect to Rockit Hong Kong Music Festival because the article says, "The initial incarnation of the band appeared on stage at the final Rockit Hong Kong Music Festival, where the band was billed as Spencer Douglass." However, I decided against that because I could not find any reliable sources verifying this. I could not find any reliable sources that discuss Eastern Shadows, so I support deletion under Wikipedia:Verifiability. Cunard (talk) 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan related deletions

Win Wu YanHong

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Citing unreliable sources especially from YouTube is not a way of showing notability. I don't seem to see WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources, hence doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect ~~Delete~~ - Seems to only be known on YouTube which is not considered a reliable source. Those should be deleted. If better sourcing can be found, please bring it to the table. Netherzone (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting to Four Seasons (Indonesian band) makes sense as an alternative to deletion. Changing my iVote. Netherzone (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Four Seasons (Indonesian band)#Members (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. The subject does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Chao

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 06:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ting Tsung Chao (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. Albert Chao (traditional Chinese: 趙元德; simplified Chinese: 赵元德) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]