User talk:Timob85
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Happy editing! Cheers, Cassiopeia talk 00:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Nomination of Bloody Elbow for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bloody Elbow until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 04:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- When can the the info at the top of the page be removed? Timob85 (talk) 00:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Karim Zidan moved to draftspace
[edit]An article you recently created, Karim Zidan, is not suitable as written to remain published. It appears there is a WP:UPE or WP:COI conflict. Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, and have addressed the UPE/COI issue, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. As per WP policy, please do not move into mainspace yourself. Onel5969 TT me 12:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
COI - Bloddy Elbow
[edit]Hi Timob85, I am not sure you have conflict of interest with bloody elbow site as a paid editor or affiliation as you have added bloody elbow sources to many mma related article even the info has already have independent, reliable source to support the content. If you have COI, then you have to WP:DISCLOSE it. Wikipedia is strongly discourage any editor who have COI to edit associated pages and editor can WP:Request edit for info needed in the talk page and an interest editor will help on the request - pls read WP:COI. Fails to do so will subject to be banned from editing. However, if you are not a COI editor then, my apologies for questioning you of so. Let me know if you need further assistance. Cassiopeia talk 00:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- I'm confused. I am an MMA journalist who works for Bloody Elbow. I understand there was a conflict of interest when I made the Bloody Elbow page and that was talked through in the discussions around that page.
- Is it also a conflict of interest to use the site I work for as a reference when things happen in the world of MMA? I edited an article on Jamall Emmers, for example, I have no connection or vested interest in this person. I was merely using the site I work for as a reference for the result of the fight he just had. Timob85 (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- I'll do the disclosure thing once I read up on the information you provided. Timob85 (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, May I know if you are Karim Zidan from Bloody Elbow? Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- I am not. Timob85 (talk) 00:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your reply. Let me check in detail to see certain of the guidelines have change/update so I could give you a full info in my next reply as we have formal MMA editor in Wikipedia who became a MMA journalist working for a reputable MMA company who stop editing Wikipedia due to COI. I will come back to you as soon as I can. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 01:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate all your help and advice. Timob85 (talk) 01:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, To me it would be considered associate promotional edit since you use your company site to cite the info (and if so that is a serious violation). However, let me check to be sure. At the means time, pls do not edit any mma related article nor use your company as the source until I come back to you. Cassiopeia talk 01:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, I won't touch anything in the meantime. Timob85 (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, To me it would be considered associate promotional edit since you use your company site to cite the info (and if so that is a serious violation). However, let me check to be sure. At the means time, pls do not edit any mma related article nor use your company as the source until I come back to you. Cassiopeia talk 01:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate all your help and advice. Timob85 (talk) 01:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your reply. Let me check in detail to see certain of the guidelines have change/update so I could give you a full info in my next reply as we have formal MMA editor in Wikipedia who became a MMA journalist working for a reputable MMA company who stop editing Wikipedia due to COI. I will come back to you as soon as I can. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 01:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- I am not. Timob85 (talk) 00:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, May I know if you are Karim Zidan from Bloody Elbow? Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your cooperation. Since there other independent, reliable source for the content added, you and your colleagues should avoid adding content and/or source from your company as it is associated with advertising for your own publication after all and that is a serious violation and will lead to indefinite blocked/banned from editing and account creation/range IP blocked. I suggest you to stop editing any article that is related to MMA articles (fighters/promotions/MMA journalists/MMA events and etc.) all together. However, you can still edit any other pages in Wikipedia. I am one of the regular MMA editors in Wikipedia, we use any independent, reliable source from all languages (different countries) including Bloody Elbow for the sourced content added/changed in the articles, as it is just the matter which source provide the info and how fast the news is indexed in search engine. By the way, no sure you are Zane Simon, if not then he must be your colleague - send out thanks to him as he used to edit MMA article in Wikipedia. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 04:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Cassiopeia, thank you for this information. I will cease contributing to any MMA related articles. I am very sorry for doing so earlier without understanding the rules against it. I was merely trying to improve various wikipedia pages and since our site is my prime source of information, that's the one I was using. But I won't be doing that anymore. I will research how to suggest edits on wikipedia and do that instead, especially since there are subjects within MMA that BE specializes in covering (such as MMA's connection to crime and dictatorships, financial disclosure in MMA, pushes for unionization in MMA, class action lawsuit against the UFC, etc.). And I'm not Zane Simon either, so I will pass along your thanks :) Timob85 (talk) 18:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your understanding. You can WP:Request edit for the info you have mentioned by providing the sources to the article talk pages and interested editors will edit the info in the article). If no interested editors coming to pickup the suggestion, then you can pop by my talk page and let me know and I will help up. All the best and stay safe. Cassiopeia talk 22:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- That is incredibly generous of you. I will certainly take you up on that offer! Thank you. Timob85 (talk) 20:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your understanding. You can WP:Request edit for the info you have mentioned by providing the sources to the article talk pages and interested editors will edit the info in the article). If no interested editors coming to pickup the suggestion, then you can pop by my talk page and let me know and I will help up. All the best and stay safe. Cassiopeia talk 22:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Cassiopeia, thank you for this information. I will cease contributing to any MMA related articles. I am very sorry for doing so earlier without understanding the rules against it. I was merely trying to improve various wikipedia pages and since our site is my prime source of information, that's the one I was using. But I won't be doing that anymore. I will research how to suggest edits on wikipedia and do that instead, especially since there are subjects within MMA that BE specializes in covering (such as MMA's connection to crime and dictatorships, financial disclosure in MMA, pushes for unionization in MMA, class action lawsuit against the UFC, etc.). And I'm not Zane Simon either, so I will pass along your thanks :) Timob85 (talk) 18:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Timob85, Thank you for your cooperation. Since there other independent, reliable source for the content added, you and your colleagues should avoid adding content and/or source from your company as it is associated with advertising for your own publication after all and that is a serious violation and will lead to indefinite blocked/banned from editing and account creation/range IP blocked. I suggest you to stop editing any article that is related to MMA articles (fighters/promotions/MMA journalists/MMA events and etc.) all together. However, you can still edit any other pages in Wikipedia. I am one of the regular MMA editors in Wikipedia, we use any independent, reliable source from all languages (different countries) including Bloody Elbow for the sourced content added/changed in the articles, as it is just the matter which source provide the info and how fast the news is indexed in search engine. By the way, no sure you are Zane Simon, if not then he must be your colleague - send out thanks to him as he used to edit MMA article in Wikipedia. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 04:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Karim Zidan
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Hello, Timob85. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Karim Zidan".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 14:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)