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Speedy deletion nomination of User:EddieandSprout/sandbox

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A tag has been placed on User:EddieandSprout/sandbox, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
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Hello EddieandSprout -- I've declined this deletion request so that you can continue working on the draft; however a lot of the text is unsourced promotion, which isn't going to be acceptable. You need to stick purely to what reliable independent sources say about the subject, rather than anything you know personally.

Also, I must ask, are you related to the subject in any way? If you are, then you need to read WP:Conflict of interest and follow the instructions about declaring your relationship. Further, I wonder if your account is shared by two people? This isn't permitted, so I suggest that you get a second account so that your edits can be attributed separately. If you need help then the Teahouse is a friendly forum for newcomers. Good luck! Espresso Addict (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The subject is someone we knew from 30 years back. More friends with his right hand man a new person in change of his business side of things. They gave me a list of notable art installations of his lighting fixtures. Mainly names I am tagging.. of people who owned his lighting fixtures.. There are a treasure trove of letters written to the subject. We may upload.

As for compensation this is only something we are trying out for the first time..no money is being exchanged. Wonder if we shared the link to the sandbox to a few friends that knew Cedric over the years. This guy seemed to know so many of the notable installation people listed on the list. Fellow designers we presume. EddieandSprout (talk) 01:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding, EddieandSprout. Please do read WP:Conflict of interest and declare this relationship on your user page. Given that you refer to yourself in the plural, I strongly suggest that you register a second account immediately. Note that unpublished letters can't be used on Wikipedia, using that kind of primary material is considered original research. The kind of reference material that would be useful would be newspaper, journal or magazine articles, exhibition catalogues, books and the like. Hope this helps. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something I do quite often say we probably from commonality of being married.. 2600:100A:B058:44B7:7849:19E5:DB82:D (talk) 02:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We’ll throw in the towel and leave this for the smart people to create after the subject dies

Wikipedia failures EddieandSprout (talk) 02:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Cedric Hartman

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Cedric Hartman, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Should i start from scratch and use wizard to create a new draft in sandbox? It’s hard to give up.. used to writing more from the hip but the cross linking and citations from credible sources is available. This has been a learning experience. EddieandSprout (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to necessarily start from scratch, but you will need to remove any of the flowery and promotional language. I'd suggest reading a number of other biographies on Wikipedia; you want to strike a very specific encyclopaedic tone which can be really hard if you're not used to it. CoconutOctopus talk 12:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable we see quite a few examples to learn from. There is some cross over in the language writing we use at the day job that uses structured language. Looking into some examples that are cross linked to in other bios from people that used this subjects product to read by. Flowering can be left to our user handles and in our learning how to write in encyclopedic tone help topic threads. Here are some similar subjects we found: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Charles_Hollis_Jones EddieandSprout (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Hollis Jones is fairly poorly referenced; especially for a living person it is best to have an inline source for absolutely everything. But it might indeed be easier to create something very short and to the point...

Cedric Hartman (born 1929) is an American designer known for his work on light fixtures, in particular the 1UWV floor lamp (1966).[ref][ref][ref]

...might be a place to start, if you can find two or three sources that say something like that. Then just expand incrementally using only what reliable independent sources write about him.

If the lamp is the only design that Hartman is noted for, it might be better to start an article on the lamp itself, which gets round the difficulties of writing a biography of a living person. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The exciting thing about working on this entry is seeing all the light fixtures hidden down all the rabbit holes on other pages.. Most likely less reputable sources but a treat to spot like in a where’s Waldo book.. curbing the flowery language is tough..thanks again. EddieandSprout (talk) 15:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Digging through cites

Finding some other examples to model from.. some need help in the citing department others are fine examples.. only have a bit of time to work on this outside of day job;) Can this become a hobby? Here are a few more we look to for inspiration: Borek Sipik and Philippe Starck

EddieandSprout (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Cedric Hartman has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Cedric Hartman. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 20:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]