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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Queen of Hearts talk 02:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to mainspace by Di (they-them) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

Di (they-them) (talk) 12:30, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment is this not a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Trumpism? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Note: I became aware of this nomination from a Discord post.) Regardless of whether this article should exist, I am highly skeptical that any hook could pass WP:DYKBLP, "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided." Note that that is undue relative to the person, not relative to the article, so the fact that this article is about Trump and fascism would not justify a hook about that topic, unless that is due focus for Trump. The article Donald Trump only uses the word "fascism" or "fascist" once, regarding Trump's rhetoric during his current campaign. Given that DYKBLP sets a higher bar for due-ness than standard editorial guidelines, I just can't picture any hook that would work, other than something completely tangential to what the article's about. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 21:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to be bold and mark this for closure, concurring with Tamzin's rationale. Considering the deeply polarized nature of American politics, the upcoming election (meaning this couldn't run immediately anyway), and DYKBLP concerns, the article seems like a bad fit for DYK regardless of hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand, thanks. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:LEADIMAGE

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The lead image of this article has been changed a couple of times. Can we choose one to settle the case? These are some that I found looking up "trump fascism" on Commons, the two first have already been inserted by other editors on this article. In my opinion, the black-and-white one with column the of the Trump International Hotel painted with the words "Fascist Int. Hotel" would be the best choice. Badbluebus (talk) 17:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like the old lady photo the most (second picture). It doesn't promote a specific website (1), mentions both Trump and Fascism (4 and 5 doesn't), and it is not overdramatized (3 and 4). Ca talk to me! 00:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bollox to the lot of you whiners, complainers and liars 2001:1970:519D:CA00:1543:E8E0:3255:A846 (talk) 05:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually on further examination, number 5 does mention fascism in an implicit way by depicting Trump as Hitler. I also support the 5th picture. Ca talk to me! 23:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the old lady is the best image. Simple and clear in its presentation, and doesn't promote a website as previously stated. BootsED (talk) 03:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I vote for the last photo:

JacktheBrown (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also vote for the last image, it does a great job of exemplifying the entire community involved in this concept Artem...Talk 23:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update, I moved the image of the protester with the Trump/Hitler image to a section of the page dealing with comparisons to Hitler and restored the prior lead image per WP:NOCON. A 3-2 decision is not enough to claim a consensus on, per NOCON and WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. As it's been over a month and there have been no further comments, I would like to create a proper RfC on the lead image that is noted on the relevant politics RfC/Pol page to get more editor input. Also, just to be aware, I'm not reverting this because I didn't vote for the image. I also agree that the current image with the website should be replaced. BootsED (talk) 23:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this a bit out of date?

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WP:NOTFORUM there is an abundance of reliable sources that consider Trump in discourse with fascism
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

"Donald Trump is a fascist" is yesterday's ad hominem attack, and starting to look a bit discredited and long in the tooth.

Surely this article should either be deleted or merged with a new article called "Donald Trump and the oligarchy"?

Here's a start for you democrats:

https://theweek.com/politics/oligarchy-united-states-trump-rich-cabinet-administration-musk-billionaire-influence

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/trumpist-oligarchy-big-tech-takeover-musk-bezos/680503/

https://newrepublic.com/article/188467/trumps-musk-oligarchy-corruption

I'm sure someone could hash something up in a couple of hours? I'd hate for Wikipedia to miss this opportunity. BOOBOOBEAKER (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The existence of articles calling him an oligarch doesn't undo the other citations calling him a fascist. Additionally, I'm not sure the argument that it's out of date can wash when we have an abundance of sources from 2024. — Czello (music) 10:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also there is a preponderance of good quality, up to date, peer reviewed, academic work on Trump and fascism. A link to the Atlantic is not going to over-weight that. Simonm223 (talk) 13:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could refresh your knowledge of what an "ad hominem attack" is. The Wikipedia article about Trump and fascism is not redressing any falsehoods Trump has made.
We are trying to be reasonable here, and not political. The article (currently) is an apolitical look at Trump and his fascist behavior. If there is something incorrect about the article, please point it out so that it can be corrected.
Also, one can be fascist and an oligarch, so I do not understand why you mentioned oligarchy.
The United States Department of War explained how to spot fascists and fascism, back in year 1945. If you think it does not apply to Trump, perhaps you could explain why you think that. (Swap "socialism" for "communism.")
WAR DEPARTMENT WASHINGTON 25, D.C.
24 March 1945
FASCISM!
Note For This Week’s Discussion:
Fascism is not the easiest thing to identify and analyze; nor, once in power, is it easy to destroy. It is important for our future and that of the world that as many of us as possible understand the causes and practices of fascism, in order to combat it. Points to stress are: (1) Fascism is more apt to come to power at a time of economic crisis; : (2) fascism inevitably leads to war; (3) it can come to any country; (4) we can best combat it by making our democracy work.
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Can We Spot It?
(Question: How can we identify native American fascists at work? )
An American fascist seeking power would not proclaim that he is a fascist. Fascism always camouflages its plans and purposes. Hitler made demagogic appeals to all groups and swore: “Neither I nor anybody in the National Socialist Party advocates proceeding by anything but Constitutional methods.”
Any fascist attempt to gain power in America would not use the exact Hitler pattern. It would work under the guise of “super-patriotism” and “super-Americanism.” Fascist leaders are neither stupid nor naive. They know that they must hand out a line that “sells.” Huey Long is said to have remarked that if fascism came to America, it would be on a program of “Americanism.”
Fascists in America may differ slightly from fascists in other countries, but there are a number of attitudes and practices that they have in common. Following are three. Every person who has one of them is not necessarily a fascist. But he is in a mental state that lends itself to the acceptance of fascist aims.
1. Pitting of religious, racial, and economic groups against one another in order to break down national unity is a device of the “divide and conquer” technique used by Hitler to gain power in Germany and in other countries. With slight variations, to suit local conditions, fascists everywhere have used this Hitler method. In many countries, anti-Semitism (hatred of Jews) is a dominant device of fascism. In the United States, native fascists have often been anti-Catholic, anti-Jew, anti-Negro, anti-Labor, anti-foreign-born. In South America, the native fascists use the same scapegoats except that they substitute anti-Protestantism for anti-Catholicism.
Interwoven with the “master race” theory of fascism is a well-planned “hate campaign” against minority races, religions, and other groups. To suit their particular needs and aims, fascists will use any one or a combination of such groups as a convenient scapegoat.
2. Fascism cannot tolerate such religious and ethical concepts as the “brotherhood of man.” Fascists deny the need for international cooperation. These ideas contradict the fascist theory of the “master race.” The brotherhood of man implies that all people — regardless of color, race, creed, or nationality — have rights. International cooperation, as expressed in the Dumbarton Oaks proposals, runs counter to the fascist program of war and world domination.
In place of international cooperation, the fascists seek to substitute a perverted sort of ultra-nationalism which tells their people that they are the only people in the world who count. With this goes hatred and suspicion toward the people of all other nations. Right now our native fascists are spreading anti-British, anti-Soviet, anti-French, and anti-United Nations propaganda. They know that allied unity now foretells the certain defeat of fascism abroad. They know that post-war allied unity means world peace and security. They realize that fascism cannot thrive or grow under these conditions.
3. It is accurate to call a member of a communist party a “communist.” For short, he is often called a “Red.” Indiscriminate pinning of the label “Red” on people and proposals which one opposes is a common political device. It is a favorite trick of native as well as foreign fascists.
Many fascists make the spurious claim that the world has but two choices — either fascism or communism, and they label as “communist” everyone who refuses to support them. By attacking our free enterprise, capitalist democracy and by denying the effectiveness of our way of life they hope to trap many people.
Hitler insisted that only fascism could save Europe and the world from the “communist menace.” There were many people inside and outside Germany and Italy who welcomed and supported Hitler and Mussolini because they believed fascism was the only safe-guard against communism. The “Red bogey” was a convincing enough argument to help Hitler take and maintain power. The Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis, whose aggressions plunged the world into global war, was called the “Anti-Comintern Axis.” It was proclaimed by Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito as a “bulwark against communism.”
Learning to identify native fascists and to detect their techniques is not easy. They plan it that way. But it is vitally important to learn to spot them, even though they adopt names and slogans with popular appeal, drape themselves with the American flag, and attempt to carry out their program in the name of the democracy they are trying to destroy.

GallinaCultureStudy (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The PDF of that article is here:
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/_resources/images/ergen/ergen375.pdf 64.7.156.59 (talk) 21:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
> Learning to identify native fascists and to detect their techniques is not easy. They plan it that way. But it is vitally important to learn to spot them, even though they adopt names and slogans with popular appeal, drape themselves with the American flag, and attempt to carry out their program in the name of the democracy they are trying to destroy.
This is a fundamentally biased and political framing of the issue. It is "vitally important"? To what, your Liberal political project? If the goal of Wikipedia is to be unbiased and apolitical, the idea that "fascism poses a unique danger" is an inherently political stance, and one which belongs on an ideological blog, not in an encyclopedia.
An encyclopedia is not a place for you to use as a sounding board to advance your political message, which is the goal of this article as currently written. The idea that fascism is more "dangerous" than any other political ideology is an inherently political judgment, and the fact that you're incapable of seeing this cognitive blindspot is a reflection of your own bias. agomulka (talk) 15:37, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's goal is to provide information, not "protect democracy". agomulka (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

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The page is restricted so I can't fix this error myself but [Phillipines]] is missing a bracket. It's been there awhile so hopefully someone who has permissions notices it and fixes it on the behalf of us normal users who can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.59.158.69 (talk) 06:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tag

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Hi MSMST1543, you added the {{POV}} cleanup tag in this edit. Could you please explain your reasoning using specific examples? It's bad practice to add cleanup tags to an article without explaining why. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 19:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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