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Autopatrol

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Task T374300

Hi all. Just created a new entry for the first time in a little while at Victor Albisu. I’m autopatrolled as well as being a reviewer so I was surprised to see that the page looks unreviewed. Is that a change in process that I’ve overlooked or might there be some technical hiccup I should attend to? Of course always happy to have more eyes on new work, just wondered what was up and if I had missed anything important. Thank you for any insight! Innisfree987 (talk) 07:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Seems like this might be a PageTriage bug. I've filed phab:T374300. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah super, thank you for filing that! Innisfree987 (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if this is related. Previously if a redirect was changed to an article that was so poor I reverted to the redirect I had to mark the redirect as patrolled manually. Starting a few weeks ago the redirects have been automatically marked as patrolled because I'm autopatrolled. --John B123 (talk) 09:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning. That sounds like good behavior. If one has autopatrol, one's redirects should probably not be being marked as unreviewed. Do you agree with that line of thinking? –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree that redirects should not be marked as unreviewed if you are autopatrolled. Presumably there were changes to the PageTriage script recently so redirects are marked at reviewed if you are autopatrolled. I wondered if these changes caused the problem outlined by Innisfree987? --John B123 (talk) 20:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes I was thinking just the same—sounds like a definite improvement but maybe the tinkering switched off something else. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

• no, I wouldn't say so. Some autopatrolled users wouldn't be good with r cat shells, and similar redirect stuff. I think these two should be exclusive, or maybe we need to consult the folks who patrol redirects. They are well suited to answer this. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Another draft that didn't get autopatrolled

Hello Innisfree987, @Novem Linguae, I also faced the same issue today. I got to know about the ticket late. Sadly, my article was moved back to the draftspace Love, Sitara. Still, if it could be of any help as reference please expedite the ticket. Thanks for your consideration C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 14:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@C1K98V: you know you can just move the article back, right? Elli (talk | contribs) 16:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Elli, A reviewer has moved the article to draftspace with a relevant notability policy. I don't share the same opinion and S/He don't agree with me. It's totally fine, I respect their decision assuming good faith. But, I would like to get the article restored back to mainspace through the Deletion review route. Thanks C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 17:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@C1K98V: Deletion review is not the appropriate avenue to contest a draftification. If you object to a draftification you move the page back to main space. Editors are welcome to disagree but if you believe it meets then the guidelines that we have in place then just move it. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh, You sure that it won't look like I'm abusing my autopatrolled rights. Also, I believe admins have many important tasks to deal with so I don't want to add another AFD. Also, it will appear as a recreated article in the page curation and xtools which I don't want. Hope, you both are getting me. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 17:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@C1K98V: You've had two different admins tell you it's okay. Draft space is entirely optional and, if you're concerned about the article being marked as reviewed, simply mark it as unreviewed. As for xtools, there's no way of changing that, the redirect left behind will always show that and you have to accept it. Good thing is it's mostly meaningless since people have their redirects overwritten or G6 deleted all the time. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate and accept your opinion and will happily move the article back to mainspace. But I have seen the scenario where an article which was deleted (move to draft cases) and you don't want it to look like recreated or deleted in page curation/xtools. You can seek restoration of the article through UDEL and the above said tag will be eliminated automatically. Thanks C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 17:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

On a side note, I have to agree with the original reviewer that the article doesn't meet WP:NFF or WP:GNG. --John B123 (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@John B123, I disagree with you as well. I believe it satisfy both the WP:NFF or WP:GNG. Thanks C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 01:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@C1K98V: How is the production of the film notable to meet WP:NFF? Which sources do you think give WP:SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG? As far as I can see there is only routine coverage based on press releases, social media posts and quotes from those involved in the film. John B123 (talk) 07:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

It might be time to move that conversation to the article talk page or AfD, this is not the right place to discuss the notability of individual articles. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Rfd-NPF

Template:Rfd-NPF has been nominated for merging with Template:Redirect for discussion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.

The reason why I'm placing this notification here is that the Page Curation tool will need to be updated to utilize the parameters and functionality in {{Redirect for discussion}} per the request. Maintainers of the Page Curation tool are advised to participate in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Steel1943 This is really not the way to do this. "page curation" is not a gadget that can be updated just like that, it is a deployed extension which has a code-review process and a set deployment schedule. The seven-day timeframe of a TfD is not realistic to implement the features you mention. I suggest you withdraw the TfD and instead start by filing a Phabricator ticket to discuss the specific changes you want for PageTriage. Once the Phabricator task is resolved, you can then consider reopening the TfD. Sohom (talk) 23:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: I'm not withdrawing this nomination. I'm tired of all the technical issues that have been happening with RFD over the years because of this template. I've done everything that I need to do to make sure that I informed interested parties/forums; but, as usually in classic Wikipedia form, someone's gotta complain and say that the person doing something to suggest an improvement to the encyclopedia is doing something wrong. Either way, what you are referring to regarding a seven day window is actually not a true concern: What happens at TFD is after there is consensus for something to change, the change isn't technically implemented until there is reassurance that everything has been done with all affected tools and templates to ensure nothing breaks as a result of implementing the discussion's result. (See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell). In other words, as long as there's consensus to do this, the time it may take to implement such a change could take anywhere from seven days to the end of time; big changes like that aren't done haphazardly. Long story short, if you have not done so yet, I recommend participating in the TFD discussion so the closer knows and has an understanding that a straight up redirection is not the answer, and that the discussion should go to the holding cell after it is closed until all tools are updated in whatever fashion they need to be to resolve this. Steel1943 (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Let's finally fix draftification! (RfC)

I've created an RfC/proposal at the Village pump (idea lab). I would appreciate comments from NPPers, and I would really appreciate if someone could create the template I've proposed to solve the problem of draftification being a "backdoor to deletion". Toadspike [Talk] 10:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Toadspike: Don't keep repeating that statement that draftification is a "backdoor to deletion". It is not. scope_creep^Talk 11:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep I’m sure Toadspike was not repeating it but quoting what was implied at RfA. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

It is a shibboleth, is destructive and it needs to stop. The processes need to be supported or they will fail. The continual undercuttin will take us back to 2012, even by accident and that will horse the whole project. It could be so easily done. The ACF/NPP processes arent perfect by any means, but as a product it has lead to an immeasurably better outcome for 100k's of articles for pretty much everybody, apart for the UPE crowd. scope_creep^Talk 15:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep As Vanderwaalforces pointed out, I do not agree with that phrase, I only mentioned it as a common criticism of draftification. I should have made that clearer. I hope it did not seem like I am part of the "continual undercuttin". I only meant to protect draftification from criticism by improving it. I did not mean destroy this very important part of NPP.

The change I suggested had basically been made a day before I wrote the notice here. The switch to Template:Draft article makes it trivially easy for new users to reverse draftification, and thus (in my opinion) very hard to argue that draftification is still a "backdoor to deletion". Toadspike [Talk] 17:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Just saw this, and will have a look at the discussion. I do want to state here for the record, that draftification is certainly not a "backdoor to deletion" - it is one of WP's procedures that actually can insure the integrity of the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The phrase "backdoor to deletion" is a part of Wikipedia policy, supported by an RfC. The way it is used is to say that draftification should not be a backdoor to deletion—not that it intrinsically is a backdoor to deletion—which I assume is a sentiment we can all agree with. In other words, you should draftify things because you have a good faith belief that it might improve them, not because you want it to go away but don't want to follow the deletion process. I don't think following this policy is a threat to NPP. – Joe (talk) 05:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Earwigs Copyvio tool

Is anyone else having problems with the above tool? - I'm lately frequently getting the error message in the screenshot below - annoying when you have a hunch that a new page is a copyvio but are unable to check it out.

Screenshot of error

Josey Wales ^Parley 20:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is a chronic issue that the maintainers are aware of. For the time being you can continue with the check by unchecking the search engine option, which is what's causing the hold-up. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

New AWB task added a thousand new redirects to the queue since yesterday

Relevant discussion: WP:AWB/Tasks#Long list of isotope redirects. Reviewing help will be appreciated. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Are these all being created by one editor with AWB rights? Could this just be automatically approved by DannyS712 bot III? Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Tom.Reding is on the redirect autopatrol list, but the bot doesn't always review redirects promptly for whatever reason and hasn't reviewed any in a week. SilverLocust 💬 15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

hasn't reviewed any in a week. Sounds like the bot might be down. Cc @DannyS712 –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Temporarily taken up by DreamRimmer bot. SilverLocust 💬 06:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I was able to tackle a good chunk of them the other day. In a similar vein there's a lot of new articles coming out that are just stubs of genes, if we get another wave I'll reach out to the author. Dr vulpes (Talk) 17:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

All cleared for now. C F A 💬 22:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Incidentally I granted autopatrolled to the creator yesterday, so we won't need DannyS712 bot to patrol their redirects from now on. – Joe (talk) 05:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Authentication is now required for search engine checks on Earwig's Copyvio Tool

Hello! As of right now, Earwig's Copyvio Tool will now require logging in with your Wikimedia account for search engine checks. This is an attempted solution at trying to curb bot scraping of the site, which rapidly depletes the available quota we have for Google searches. New checks will require you to log in first prior to running. This should not affect scripts like User:DannyS712/copyvio-check.js, which use the tool's API. You will also still keep getting "429: Too Many Requests" errors until the quota resets, around midnight Pacific Time, as we've run out of search engine checks for the day. If this broke something for you or if you're having issues in trying to authenticate, please let The Earwig or me know. Thanks! Chlod (say hi!) 23:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Glad to hear this. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Josey Wales ^Parley 12:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Good news, it's been frustrating having it mostly unavailable. KylieTastic (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks! ~Kvng (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yowzaaaaaah!!!! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Awesome to hear, thanks a ton Chlod! PixDeVl yell talk to me! 21:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Sortition_for_elevated_permissions

This proposal might be of interest. NotAGenious (talk) 14:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Internet Archive is down, review accordingly

For anyone not already aware, Internet Archive, including its Wayback Machine, is currently down following a DDoS attack and broader security breach. This means that a lot of links to references that were working fine at the time of their writing are now broken, at least temporarily. Until their service is restored or we hear further news about the platform's future, we should avoid nominating articles with such broken links for deletion.

The Internet Archive situation is obviously very concerning for Wikipedia (and more broadly) beyond this one issue for us when reviewing articles, and we'll need to follow it closely as a community. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Centralized discussion about this topic can be found at VPM _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Do NPPs need to check an article's history?

When reviewing a mainspace article, do NPPs need to check an article's history tab? It's not in any of our flowcharts, but it's at WP:NPP. Context: [1] –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

More context- the original changes came shortly after a a disagreement over whether editors were expected to check the article history/read the article before reviewing it. The incident has been taken care of very thoroughly, but I think the background is helpful to explain why Novem Linguae made the change, and to clarify that the change was not made without discussion. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it's good practice to have a look at the article history, especially if from the back of the queue as there may be move/redirect warring activity going on there Josey Wales ^Parley 21:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I think checking the history is important. I'm not sure it makes sense in a flowchart, since I think Joe is right about it being part of many different stages, but it should be part of any kind of checklist, I think. -- asilvering (talk) 21:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I normally check if something is off or if the article is missing references or claims of notability. If I see a bunch of edits, or large chunks of material added or removed then I'll dig a little deeper. As @Joseywales1961 said also if it's an older article I'll check it as well. Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Checking page histories is useful for spotting a wide range of problems and is quick (most new articles have one page histories). For that reason I think it's good advice to make it part of your basic NPP workflow. It's not about what reviewers "need" or are "required" to do. Practically nothing on this page is mandatory in the sense that it should always be done on every page (this also goes for the section below about sourcing). – Joe (talk) 04:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

What kind of source checks are required?

When reviewing a mainspace article, what kind of source/reference/citation checks are required? Current wording at WP:NPP is Review (or at least spot check) the listed sources, where accessible, which implies to me that we should be opening every source and checking its reliability. This is very different than my actual workflow, which is more like click open and review enough sources to figure out if WP:GNG or a WP:SNG is passed, then leave the rest unchecked. Context: [2] –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it should say something like "Review (or at least spot check) some of the listed sources, where accessible", to make it clear what spot check means (I assume the intent is "check only some", not "check only some of each source"). But I think it should also say something like "for WP:V and WP:CV" or something to make it clear about what you're supposed to be looking for. -- asilvering (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I use you're script for highlighting sources as a quick check to see if it is reliable or not. For example if an article has green highlight on a peer reviewed paper I now it'll probably be fine. But that depends on the subject, one thing I see that flags an article in my mind is when I see green highlighted peer reviewed papers for a BLP. It's a lazy attempt to go and add some peer reviewed papers that a person was an author on and say "look notable!". I have another script (or maybe it's the same one) that'll flag obviously bad sources which is also helpful since when I spot check them I know really quickly it's probably not gonna fly. Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

It's a hard to concisely enumerate what you're looking for when checking sources because as with page histories above there are many different types of problem that could jump out at you: sources that don't exist, unreliable sources, don't verify what they're supposed to, copyvios, link spamming, OR, overuse of primary sources, etc. etc. If you list just one of these (like checking for notability, which is of dubious relevance to begin with), you risk having reviewers tunnel-vision on that one thing. The purpose of this section is in any case to briefly state how to review new pages — what reviewers should be looking for is a much broader topic and is what most of the rest of the page covers. – Joe (talk) 04:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI: Keyword searching coming to NewPagesFeed

Hi y'all, just wanted to give a heads up that starting next thursday, Special:NewPagesFeed will get the ability to search through page snippets (thanks to work done by @Rockingpenny4 as part of Google Summer of Code 2024). The feature is currently deployed on beta wiki, thoughts and feedback are welcomed. Sohom (talk) 01:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta This sounds helpful. Thank you also @Rockingpenny4. FULBERT (talk) 13:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I can't even express how exciting this is to me. I've been using MPGuy's external NPP browser (toolforge) for key word searches for a while now. I typically point to WP:NPPSORT when recruiting recruiting and encouraging folks to give NPP a shot, telling them to work where they're familiar with first, so this is an extra feature that will make it much easier to dive in! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirect backlog is very low and getting lower.

What a nice downward curve. But any idea why? Cremastra (u — c) 21:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 and I went hard at it during the backlog drive, and we've both continued to do so. We also had a significant amount of help from @Blethering Scot. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Indeed: between the three of you and Dr vulpes, you've reviewed more than 16,000 redirects in the last 30 days, which is great work. Cremastra (u — c) 21:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Shame on me for not giving Vulpes any credit! Hey man im josh (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I made a small push and managed to get it down to zero, at least for the moment. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 15:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

NPP school teachers needed

Hello all. Was wondering if anyone decently experienced (maybe >500 patrols) would be interested in being a teacher for WP:NPPSCHOOL? DreamRimmer recently filled all 3 of their slots, so we want to make sure we still have capacity for additional students. If interested let me know and I will set you up with more info. Thank you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Also @Zippybonzo and @Cassiopeia, are you still active NPP school trainers, and is the "student slots available" column at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School#Available Trainers up to date? –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I am still happy to take students, however all the statistics are probably quite outdated so I'll update them now :) Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 07:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae and Zippybonzo:, I always have slot available and have been active since day one as I am the one who set up the program. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation has an RfC

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. JJP_Master (she/they) 19:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation § RfC: Should a bot be created to handle AfC submissions that haven't changed since the last time they were submitted?— jlwoodwa (talk) 02:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Add Passed DYK nominations to WP:NPPEASY?

I moved Joel Ross (vibraphonist) to mainspace in June, the DYK nom for it was passed that same month, it appeared on the main page in July, and yet it wasn't patrolled until November. Since DYK requires more scrutiny than AfC, which is already on NPPEASY, I think passed DYK reviews should appear on that page. Any way to implement that? Mach61 15:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @SD0001. These should be tracked properly in Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles, I'm just not sure when that CAT is implemented, if it's once nominated, approved, or posted. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The category Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles is added by Template:DYK talk and Template:Article history when the latter includes a DYK entry (used when the article is also a good article). So, it only appears in the category after the article appears on the Main Page. Category:Passed DYK nominations will always include all of the DYK nominations that have passed review, regardless of if they have been on the main page or not. Reconrabbit 18:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

This all seems like a good idea. I think the next step is for someone technical to write an SQL query that grabs unreviewed articles in Category:Passed DYK nominations, then boldly add it to the bottom of Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports/Easy reviews. I'm busy today, so technical help with this is welcome. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

A few of us had discussed this previously and it was felt that putting it in NPPEASY would be wrong. Anyway, while we discuss this out, there is a report with a slightly larger scope at User:MPGuy2824/sandbox1 which includes the DYK-passes too. I (or someone else) will move it to the right place once we figure that out. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I think it ought to come with the same caveats that other lists at NPPEASY have, you should still check for copyvio, categories, tagging, etc. The idea being simply that it will probably be a quicker check if we assume someone has already had eyes on the article. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I actually oppose this being added to WP:NPPEASY, for the reason that DYK noms are not inherently "easy"/easier and are no more likely to meet an existing notability guideline than any other article. The entries listed there are there because they're more likely to meet a guideline, or because they've been accepted at AfC. This is why I believe it makes more sense to list this at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh Sure, articles merely nominated for DYK aren't easier, but passed DYK noms (which is what I suggested) have been subject to as much scrutiny as any article approved via AfC. Mach61 14:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with that @Mach61. AfC and NPP reviewers have a different level of experience and different goals than the users who are reviewing at DYK. Sure, there's been some scrutiny, but realistically they may be just trying to their QPQ done while verifying that the fact is in the article, not evaluating other issues that we may be. I do think it's worth reporting, hence why I think the Reports page is more appropriate, but I don't like the indication that these may be somehow easier to complete. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

You know what, I have to agree with Josh here. In an ideal world, a DYK review would likely indicate the article is halfway to being fully reviewed for NPP but given the concerns being continuously raised about the QPQ at WT:DYK, I think it would be irresponsible to add that to the NPPEASY list. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a good idea but I'd be curious how many articles make it into the DYK queue before being reviewed. Even with our large backlog, the majority of articles are reviewed within a couple of days while DYK nominations often take weeks to process. My gut feeling is that Joel Ross (vibraphonist) was an exception. – Joe (talk) 16:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The thing is, anyone can review a DYK, but only users with the NPP right can review an article. WP:DYKTIMEOUT means that noms are likely reviewed within two months which was added only a few months ago. But its true that DYK is stricter than a normal article plus only ~10% of new articles get nominated for DYK. JuniperChill (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah but we're not talking about skipping review of these articles, just adding them to a list of probably-easy reviews. – Joe (talk) 08:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if NPPEASY is necessarily the right place, but it's worth finding some way to keep track of these so articles don't end up on the Main Page unreviewed and unindexed. (When people hear from their friends about something crazy from DYK, they should be able to find it on Google.) It's not a common situation, but I don't think it's rare either: for instance, this article will be on the Main Page tomorrow and still hasn't been reviewed (though I'll take care of it momentarily). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree articles shouldn't be appearing on the Main Page without being reviewed first. Strongly disagree with suggestions that the DYK process has a higher level of scrutiny than AFC. In my experience, the emphasis at DYK is around the hook and in many cases if the article hasn't already been tagged for issues being a 'good read' seems to more important than compliance with policies/guidelines. The point above that NPP and AFC reviewers are more experienced than DYK reviewers in the areas we are looking at is very valid. Oppose successful DYK nominations being added to WP:NPPEASY. --John B123 (talk) 10:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit to add, my comment above was not to put down DYK reviewers or the work they do. Their aim is to get an eye catching snippet on the Main Page which links through to an interesting article, similar to a newspaper editor choosing teasers to put on the front page/main page of the online edition. I'm sure they are just as diligent as NPP or AFC reviewers, but approach articles from a different angle and have different aims. --John B123 (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, it's not a different quality of review perse, it's a review with an entirely different goal and focus. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's enough consensus here to add passed DYK nominations to WP:NPPEASY, so let's put it somewhere else. We can probably wrap up this thread. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reports#Unreviewed DYK/GA/FL/FA -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems like a good spot for it. Bobby Cohn (talk) 12:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

New Growth Team feature

Hi NPP, since many of you are also recent changes patrollers, I thought I should mention here that we're going to be trialling a new Growth Team Feature starting on Monday. You may see some unusual newbie behaviour. They're not sockpuppets! They're the new accounts that are being introduced to the new Add a link task. You'll be able to identify these edits easily, since they'll be tagged like this: (Tags: Visual edit, Newcomer task, Suggested: add links). It will also be possible to filter Recent Changes to see all edits suggested by this tool.

This feature helps spot likely places for new wikilinks and guides newcomers on how to add them and why. We're starting it really, really small - just 2% of all new accounts will get this feature in the first week - but the number will start rising over time. It should be a big improvement over the "add links" task we have now, which simply points newcomers at articles in Category:Articles with too few wikilinks. If you've ever added Template:Underlinked to an article only to come back a few hours later and find it overlinked to hell and back by a horde of well-meaning newbies, this is why. This new task is smarter, so we shouldn't see that kind of problem. But if we do notice that newcomers are adding bad links too often, or too many links, we can tinker with various settings that will impact this behaviour. And if this causes some kind of horrible unforseen problem, we can pause the experiment at any time.

More information here and here. -- asilvering (talk) 04:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Updating problem

I don't know if anyone can look into this but User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/Culture/Biography/Women has not been updated since 24 November. I find this a very useful way of checking out new articles on women rather than looking through the basic list of new articles.--Ipigott (talk) 16:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Pinging the bot operator, @SD0001. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Toolforge bots have been unstable for the last 24 hours due to phab:T380844. May or not be the root cause here, depending on when this started. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

See it's up any running again now. Thanks for your help.--Ipigott (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Page yet to be indexed

Shahi Jama Masjid - are there any issues? I will like to fix them. Upd Edit (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Upd Edit, this article hasn't been marked as patrolled yet, so search engines aren't indexing it. If an article is less than 90 days old and hasn't been marked as patrolled, it won't show up in search engine results. But if a new page reviewer marks it as patrolled within this time, it will be indexed. Articles older than 90 days are automatically indexed, even if they remain unpatrolled. – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Upd Edit (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

backdated articles

Hello. I was away from NPP/R for a few years. I am trying to start patrolling again. Today, I went to special:newpagesfeed, and visited some articles. To my surprise, a lot of them were very old articles like Operation Krivaja '95. It was created in May 2009. I went through the history, but that article was not deleted/recreated. I couldnt see any activity that would have included it in the unreviewed list. Why are a few articles like it being listed in the feed? What am I missing? —usernamekiran (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

It was tagged as a "removed redirect" on November 2. Those are counted as new pages. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Selection of tag sections in curation seems to have stopped working

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T381741
Resolved

I first noticed it a couple days ago. In the curation tool, under tagging, the feature of selecting subsections seems to have stopped working. I've seen it on two different PC's and two different browsers. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

North8000. All fixed. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Novem Linguae Cool. Just tried it, works great. North8000 (talk) 21:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

AI trust paradox

I'm on the edge about marking the above page as reviewed and could use a second pair of eyes on it. The article is heavily reliant on this self-published source, and I'm concerned that it contains original research. There does appear to be some academic coverage of the topic, for example this and this. However, the definitions of the "AI trust paradox" in these sources seem to diverge – one defines it as a situation "in which individuals’ willingness to use AI-enabled technologies exceeds their level of trust in these capabilities" while the other seems to define it as a situation where AI users "ignore all the risks due to the usability of fast intelligent systems". Another online source describes the AI trust paradox as a situation where humans are less willing to trust AI-generated text because they can't have a shared set of experiences with AI like they could with a human author. My impression is that while there are a few matches for the phrase "AI trust paradox" in sources, it isn't a well defined topic yet. It seems like it could be too soon for an article due to the rather hazy definition of the term, but I'd like to get input from some other reviewers. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)