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adding in a photograph

I have a lovely and (I think) meaningful photograph to add to the article on the occupation of Capitol Hill in Seattle. Not sure how to add to the piece.

Thanks!

AWorld4allofus (talk) 05:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

AWorld4allofus Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you took the photo, please visit Files For Upload(as a new account you can't directly upload images yet). If you didn't take the photo, it becomes harder as then the copyright/license of the photo must be determined to see if it can be uploaded by anyone. 331dot (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot, does the Commons Upload Wizard have any "block", like unregistered or WP:AUTOCONFIRM? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't know about unregistered, but I don't think it has an autoconfirmed restriction. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, I've talked some folks who have never edited through uploading a selfie, and if I'm recalling correctly it's always seemed to require registering an account and logging in but nothing more than that. Valereee (talk) 10:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Good to know! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee That seems to be the case: [1] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Tea House

What is the most popular tea house in the world? 111.94.112.42 (talk) 08:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I'd assume English as it is the biggest Wikipedia but idk for sure Chacabangaso (talk) 10:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso: The IP address may be referring to one of these: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-best-tea-houses/index.html ~Anachronist (talk) 16:55, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah maybe to be fair, but otherwise idk why you’d ask Wikipedia for that Chacabangaso (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso, folks out there in the wider world often don't know (and, sometimes, don't care to know) how Wikipedia works, which results in many questions like this at the Teahouse, not to mention on various more obscure pages. Sometimes we refer them to the reference desks or to a relevant article, if such a thing exists. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe you could direct them to Wikivoyage's Tourist Office? Explodicator7331 (talk) 13:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Now I'm curious, what is the largest teahouse in the world? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Club On a Sub 20, welcome to the Teahouse. If you can't find an answer at Teahouse or one of the sources used in that article, you might consider asking at one of our Reference desks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Is wikipedia hiring article authors

If so how much do they get paid and where can i become a author of the wiki article and also can you become wiki author at 14 years old with i have authored 2 english japanese books and i am 14 years old Onlygoodvibez (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Depends if you want to work for free XD

In short, Wikipedia editing is voluntary, however a big coorperation may hire you to right an article for them, (much to the disgust of many wikipedians,) however they are unlikely to do so to an average 14 year old. However if you put in your CV of being able to speak both Japanese and English to enough companies, one might take you up on making an article in English and Japanese for them :) WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Onlygoodvibez, I suggest you see WP:GFYE. And I suggest you do the Wikipedia: The Wikipedia Adventure to get familiar with Wikipedia. Also, making a page about yourself isn't a good idea, if that's what you're trying to do. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Not good advice from WikiHmmmm... There are companies that offer to create or improve Wikipedia articles. Many are outright scams, or not competent. In addition, anyone doing Paid work has to declare that on their User page (see WP:PAID), and while allowed, tend to be given a hard time getting work approved. Separate from the paid question, while there is no age limit, new editors are advised to put in months on attempts to improve existing articles before trying to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can become an author of a Wikipedia article! It's "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", and that really does mean anyone. Have a look at WP:FIRST. -- asilvering (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Paid editing is allowed, but paid editors have to be very honest and very careful with how they edit. And undetected paid edit could be detected at a later moment, and the paying party gets embarrassed. tgeorgescu (talk) 07:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Most paid editing is just a non-notable person paying someone to create a wiki article for them, they usually think it's similar to a resume. As David said above, most are scams or incompetent, and even if they work good, the article will likely get speedy deleted per G11 (advertising). Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 14:37, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

How do I create a new page?

I want to create a new page for the company I work for. How do I do that? Chainsys1 (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Chainsys1, welcome to the Teahouse. Full instructions are at Help:Your first article, but I'll give you a quick summary. First - to save yourself a lot of time and heartache - you should look at the sources available on which to base an article. You need multiple sources which are all of these things: independent, reliable, secondary, published, and containing significant coverage of this company.

No company websites. No press releases. No interviews. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If you can't find any such sources, stop now. If you can, then your next step is to declare as a paid editor per WP:PAID. Once that's done, you can start a draft article, summarizing the sources you've found and citing them as you go. Once you're done, you can submit the draft to Articles for Creation for review. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chainsys1, I should also mention that your username may be a violation of our username policies, since it represents your employer (Chain-Sys Corporation) more than you as an individual. I'd recommend either applying for a change in username (instructions here) or abandoning this account and creating a more personally-named one to use. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Also be aware, Chainsys1, that if you succeed in creating an article about your company, the article will not belong to your company, will not be controlled by you, may be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your colleagues (you'll be welcome to suggest edits, but not to make them), and may end up containing material you would prefer it didn't, as long as this complies with Wikipedia policies. See WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

unfinding message

Hello,

I got a notification saying a message for me had been left on my Talk page. But there's no message there. I wanted to respond to the notification, but it's gone now ... it says I have no notifications.

I suspect that someone is/was responding to a question/suggestion that I made on the Talk page for the article "Dihydrogen monoxide parody," if that helps. I had expected to see a response on that article's Talk page, but there's nothing there either.

In short, I'm confused and a little lost in the weeds here; I trust that someone can gently explain to this newbie what I'm doing wrong. I assume I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks for your time. Bholtgren (talk) 10:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bholtgren Could what you saw have been referring to this: [2]? Notifications can come from more places than en-WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Bholtgren, since you're new -- the page GGS is linking you to looks a bit like Wikipedia, but it's actually Wikimedia Commons, which is a sister website where we store public-domain images for use in all the different wikis. You can end up visiting Commons by accident if you click on an image here, and sometimes just visiting another wiki will generate a message at your user talk there, such as that big welcome template, along with a corresponding notification that shows up here. Valereee (talk) 10:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

An editor did leave a boilerplate "Welcome!" message on your Talk page. This may have been a response to you showing up as a new editor, having nothing to do with your Talk entry. I also replied to your Talk question. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much! Bholtgren (talk) 13:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is apparently what happened. Thank you for responding.Bholtgren (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bholtgren: Notifications that something happened at another wiki disappear when you view them. It should still be listed if you click the icon at the other wiki. Special:CentralAuth/Bholtgren shows where your account has been registered. It happens automatically if you view a page while logged in. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding info in the Infobox writer

Hi. I tried to add a birthdate in the Infobox Writer. I get the message that my edit has been published but don't see it on the page. Help! Mommatwrk (talk) 16:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mommatwrk, welcome to the Teahouse. That field in the infobox is commented out. However - before fixing that problem, I notice that there seems to be no source for this information in the article. Where did you get the birthdate? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mommatwrk, I've added the birthdate for you, it seems you've copy pasted the instructions in and added the birthdate, however it was commented out. It works like this: {{Birth date and age|1900|1|1} (with another flower bracket at the end because the nowiki thing isn't working idk why) which produces (1900-01-01) January 1, 1900.

Consider adding a source, the page seems to be Manek Premchand. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 16:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you should have done that. I've left a message on your talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

And I have removed the birth date. A biography of a living person should not have uncited assertions per WP:BLP policy. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

About a photo

Hey, following this discussion I want to ask if there are any policies regarding with the imagery of the original one and the colorized one, as I found the colorized one inappropriate and simply distracts readers. SeanTVT (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

SeanTVT, both those links give me the error message 'The requested page title contains invalid characters: "|".', so I can't comment on those particular images. But in general, Wikipedia prefers original photographs to colourised versions, as the difference is that the colourised images are to some extent works of fiction. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

The original photo: File:Raising_a_flag_over_the_Reichstag_2.jpg

The colorized one: File:Berlin_Reichstag2.jpg

Here it is. I wonder if there were any specific policies about it, if you have time, can you post it here?

P.S: It's really frustrating when I tried to coporate links into text, so in addition is there any other way of doing it? SeanTVT (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@SeanTVT: I corrected your links. You can use wiki-markup for things like this. Look at the source of the comment to see how it's done. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

As for policies, I don't think we have one for this case. It would be up to the community. Personally I think the colorized one isn't an improvement and kind of hurts my eyes to look at it.

Regarding Maproom's comment about fiction, I don't believe that's relevant here, because neither image has real-world coloring. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

General use of colorized photos has been very controversial, with most editors being opposed, except in articles about colorization. At Wright Flyer, the issue was so contentious that the main supporter of a colorized image ended up getting indefinitely blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey, lets face facts: true color is red, and colorized foto is of better quality.

As I see, no policies prihibit colorised version, except that someone's eyes may be hurt by the red color. I guess, old man Adolf is in that group of hurted victims. Stalin Strait (talk) 08:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Dont you think so? Stalin Strait (talk) 08:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

No. ReneeWrites (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Do negative comments on an article speed up approval of a different editor's contributions?

I'm working on major edits to an existing article.

Background: the article has an official Wiki alert up front that there are multiple issues, which are listed and explained. My work on the article addresses those issues, but I'm doing it outside of Wikipedia till I'm ready to create a subpage of my user page where I'll drop my alternate version, then ask for review of my intended alternate version (which I'll probably have to add in increments to the existing article, difficult as that will be).

My question: since the existing article has already been flagged, is it likely to speed up the review if I draw the attention of the senior editors to the flagging? I'm asking because I've heard that requested reviews can take a long time, especially when the requester points out that the alternate version is extensive. Augnablik (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. If you are talking about the Articles for Creation process, that is for new articles only, not for improvements or modifications to existing articles. The best way to improve an existing article is to make a series of incremental changes, clearly explaining your intentions in edit summaries. You can develop the changes in your sandbox space if you want to. No advance approval is required. If anyone disagrees, discuss the matter on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 17:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Why do the work outside of wikipedia? You don't need to work "live" in the article if you don't want to - just make a subpage of your userpage, as you plan to, but as you work rather than after you're done. Which article are you working on? -- asilvering (talk) 18:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Strongly advise replacing one section at a time or even smaller chunks of the existing article, over deploying an alt version. Replacing sections does not put the article back into a review cycle. Permission to edit is not required. If this is a mid-to high-level article as far as viewers per day it probably has editors who have put it on their "Watch" list, meaning that when they log in and check their "Watch" list it will show which articles have been edited. David notMD (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. There is no such thing as an "official Wiki alert". Almost all processes on Wikipedia are managed by consensus, including adding and removing maintenance tags. If an article has a maintenance tag, that means that an editor decided to add it, and no editor has removed it, or there has been a discussion, which ended with putting or leaving the tag in place. If you make changes that in your view address the issue of the tag, you may remove the tag (as long as you haven't got a conflict of interest with respect to the article). If somebody disagrees, they can restore the tag, and you can have a discussion per WP:BRD.

There isn't a formal review process except for new drafts, so it's impossible to answer what may "speed up" whatever kind of ad hoc review you arrange. ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a 2-disambiguation page

I've been really enjoying the various things to do at WP:DAB, which includes "Find additional ambiguous terms for 2-DAB pages".

I've found a 2-DAB page (specifically Mia Khalifa). The guidance for the template says "If no other topics can be found within a reasonable time, the disambiguation page might be deleted." I'm fairly sure this disambiguation page falls in that realm; the link should only go to the actress, and the song already links to the actress' page (and is in response to her career).

What is a "reasonable time" to wait, and if I'm right, what is the deletion process? Kawa (talk) 21:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@ProcGenKawa: Welcome to the Teahouse! The process is detailed at Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. Note that the Twinkle gadget makes it easier to propose a page for deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you need to wait in this case, really. This isn't a normal "two people with the same name" kind of problem, since the two topics are obviously related and, as you note, mutually linked already. -- asilvering (talk) 04:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

MOS:leadimage with multiple, closely-interconnected articles

The MOS subsection states that a primary purpose of a lead image is to help orient readers at a glance, would it follow from this that closely-related articles should avoid using identical images to ensure a visual distinction between them? Namely Loyalist (American Revolution) and Expulsion of the Loyalists both use the same replica of Benjamin West's Reception, when using the John Eardley Wilmot replica instead would (in my opinion) help distinguish the latter from the former, particularly when just mousing over a hyperlink abroad to see the leads. Is this the right call or do the considerations of individual articles override these concerns? Orchastrattor (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's any reason to make this kind of change for that reason. I do find the choice of lead image to be odd, though - it's not very good quality. I haven't gone through the edit history, but I'd guess that it's been there for a very long time? I'd expect one of the drawings by Peachey or this famous one. I would suggest having a skim of the edit history and the talk page to see if anyone has brought up the lead image before, and if no one has, you might post on the talk page with your suggested change. If no one objects within a week or so, just change it yourself. -- asilvering (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

WANTED: An editor with access to the British Library

I'm trying to find an editor who lives in London who can access the British Library to digitize (and upload to Wikimedia Commons) a 1647 pamphlet from the Thomason Collection for a draft article I'm writing. The pamphlet is stored, as I understand, on microfiche. I can't do so myself since I'm nowhere near Europe, much less London. Said editor gets... a barnstar from me—if that isn't too modest a reward. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Festucalex. The best place to find such folks - and therefore such information - is at WP:RX. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35: Oh hey, thanks. I didn't know that existed. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex I had no difficulty in accessing the BL's Thomason Collection from this URL and hence download the .pdfs. That's a catalogue of the pamphlets and may be all you need in order to quote some of the contents in a citation for a Wikipedia article. I see from your draft that you already have some scans. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I already got the catalogues from the Internet Archive. I'm requesting a scan of the original pamphlet because:

1. I need to check the veracity of the text versions online, and
2. For the sake of public access to Public Domain works such as this one.

If I stumbled on that article, the first thing I'd do is scroll down and check out the original scan on Wikimedia Commons. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Do you have access to a university or other institution that has a subscription to Early English Books Online? If so, that's what I'd recommend. EEBO has full scans of everything in the Thomason Collection, as well as most other works in English published before 1700. Crawdad Blues (talk) 01:46, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Crawdad Blues: I unfortunately do not have access. Do you? 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I do, but I can't upload the entire scan to the Commons. While I personally dislike Proquest and think this material ought to be freely available, I won't violate the terms of use or jeopardize my own access or that of my institution by posting it online, since the source would be obvious. But I see from your draft that you've already found the freely available transcription of The Case of the Armie Truly Stated at EEBO-TCP (TCP = Text Creation Partnership), hosted at the University of Michigan. This is a separate project from EEBO proper, the purpose of which was to produce machine-readable and searchable XML transcriptions of a large selection of the scanned books at EEBO. You can trust those transcriptions: they were not created by OCR (which for typographical reasons can be almost unusable on early modern books) but individually keyed in by human beings and then carefully checked and proofread. In my experience, their accuracy is very high, and I would not hesitate to use them for any scholarly purpose. But if there are particular passages that you want to check against the original 17th-century printing, I'd be happy to do that for you. Just leave me a note on my talk page, or send an email to my Wikipedia username (with no spaces) at gmail dot com. Cheers, Crawdad Blues (talk) 10:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Crawdad Blues: Wait, Proquest doesn't let you share Public Domain documents? Surely that can't be legal. 〜 Festucalex • talk 10:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

The original documents are public domain, but the status of the scans is less clear. The policy at the Commons is that photos or scans of two-dimensional works of art or other documents in the public domain are themselves in the public domain (see the guidelines for PD-Scan and PD-Art). There is some support for this position in US and UK case law, and I'm personally sympathetic to it, but it is only one interpretation, and its application in cases like these has not been extensively tested in the courts. In any case, the legitimacy of the copyright claim is irrelevant for me, because my access to EEBO and other paywalled resources is provided by my university, and one of the conditions of that access is that I will comply with the terms of use set by the companies that offer the services. This is a separate agreement between me and my employer that has nothing to do with the underlying copyright issues, and because I value my job and my access to these resources, I will not violate it. I have told you that the transcription at EEBO-TCP is reliable, and that if you have questions about that reliability in any particular passage, I'd be happy to check the original publication for you. If you want to take advantage of that offer, great; if not, that's fine too. It's up to you. Cheers, Crawdad Blues (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Crawdad Blues: You have been more than helpful. Thanks a ton! 〜 Festucalex • talk 17:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Just popping in to add that 1) digitization can be an extremely expensive process and 2) even without the kinds of obvious information an EEBO scan has, it's quite possible to tell from photographs specifically which physical copy of the printed material is the one being shared (ie, is it the BL's, or the LoC's, or whatever). Libraries often charge (sometimes quite a lot) for photographs/scans of their manuscript or early print material, and consider it an important revenue stream, or at least a way to recoup some of their costs. Personally, I think this is quite a lot like library fines: much more harm to administer than it's worth, and indeed possibly even more expensive to administer than to simply... not, and do things for free. But it's a rare library that takes that stance. So, it's not just Proquest, but also libraries themselves that are cagey about sharing scans. -- asilvering (talk) 05:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The Wizard of Oz (1939)

Uncut version on tv network last time used was early 1990s around 1992 where it was over 2 hours long , 2 hours 15mins to 2 hours 20mins , 140 mins total no adverts. Bjbayuk (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC). The scenes had more scary moments, wicked witch , journey and over the rainbow emotion performance in castle from Dorothy now deleted on standard

@Bjbayuk: If you have suggestions to improve the article The_Wizard_of_Oz_(1939_film), you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 02:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

You should not change the run time for the movie unless you can provide a valid reference. As of this moment you have done that twice and been reverted twice. David notMD (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The running time is correct uncut version was 140mins in 1992. I seen it with others at the time Bjbayuk (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Your personal recollection, Bjbayuk, doesn't matter here. (This is nothing personal. Mine doesn't matter either.) What matters are the reliable sources that you or others can cite for the change(s) that you suggest on Talk:The Wizard of Oz (1939 film). -- Hoary (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bjbayuk the advice you received above is correct. However I think you may be making a mistake anyway. The run time was never 2 hours. It was always 101 minutes. However this does equate to 1 hour and 40 minutes, but not 140 minutes. I think that is where the issue is. Either way, the current run time is accurate. MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Note: User reported for suspected sockpuppetry. MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Blocked on one account (Bjbayuk) and warned on the other. David notMD (talk) 09:22, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

How to raise a question for authors & editors in an article

I was just doing a little editing in an article and noticed what seemed to me an incredibly strange statement, which in turn raised quite a big question for me. Since I'm not in a field related to the topic of the article, I don't know if it's true or not, but it's a question I think others might also have. I just wanted to raise the question for the original editor who wrote the article, or other experts.

How can I do that? Augnablik (talk) 04:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi there @Augnablik. We usually raise such questions on the talk page. Do you need help on how to ping an editor? If you let me know specifically which article you are referring to and the statement you take issue with, I am more than happy to take a look. Thanks, MC MaxnaCarta (talk) 05:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Right, MaxnaCarta, I don't know how to ping an editor. I'll see if clicking on your link with (talk) at the end gets me to where I think we're connected, and if that works I'll explain what I'm wondering about in the article. Augnablik (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik, on how to ping, see Help:Talk_pages#Getting_started. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Augnablik Often, the origin of an article goes back years, and the creator may have long-moved on to other articles, or is no longer active at all. If the article in question (which is?) has a long history as shown at View history, you will need to do somw work finding out when and by whom the statement in question was added. Or skip the detective work and start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. If the article and Talk page get enough viewer traffic that may lead to a person with knowledge about the topic responding. David notMD (talk) 09:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Reapstar

Add it to wikipedia page as an article Karanmisrakhanzihan (talk) 10:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Karanmisrakhanzihan: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. If there are reliable sources that can establish its notability as Wikipedia defines it, perhaps an article may be written about it one day. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:01, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Reapstar is an indian music producer . He is on [3] IMDB Karanmisrakhanzihan (talk) 11:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

IMDb isn't a reliable source by Wikipedia standards and doesn't establish notability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:09, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Account blocked for sockpuppetry. Draft:Reapstar has been declined, and a Comment added that its creator has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 13:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

editing

what sites can you edit? 108.20.229.78 (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, uhh well you can edit basically any page, however some pages have a padlock and the color of the padlock defines how many edits and how many days you've been on wikipedia that you need to edit that page. See WP:FIRST Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 13:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, you can edit any page without a padlock in the top right corner. See Wikipedia:Protection policy. TypoEater (talk) 17:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

User page doubt

Hi, Can someone clarify my doubt whether am I allowed to display the fact that I helped a draft becoming a article eventhough I haven't created the draft myself but contributed valuable content to it and submitted it for draft review and subsequently I received the reviewer message on my talk page. 456legend(talk) 18:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@456legend, it's not uncommon to see stuff like "Articles I have expanded/improved" on userpages, is that what you're thinking of? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes that is what I wanted to know about. 456legend(talk) 18:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:UPYES, go for it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the inputs! 456legend(talk) 19:22, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

making a infobox

so i am new to editing on wikipedia , i have been casually editing some pages so far , even before the creation of my account , however i still require help for some things , can someone tell me how to i create a infobox in a new article ? thanks. Lokithelizard2 (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lokithelizard2, welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed the infobox in the draft you created with this edit. However, your draft cites no sources and entirely consists of an infobox, so it will be quickly declined when a reviewer gets around to it. Also, you should be aware that Wikipedia has rules about editing articles related to family members; this is called a conflict of interest. You should review WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

firstly , thank you for the help , secondly , yes i am aware of the lack of sources and information , i'll keep working on the article , it will take awhile as this is my first article , until now i've only done minor edits on other articles Lokithelizard2 (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Lokithelizard2, I would recommend taking your article out of the review queue until it's complete. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Lokithelizard2, please do not resubmit a draft that has been declined without making any improvements. This is likely to get you into trouble. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I have a problem

I was editing the article on the Wind Wolves Preserve that took me almost an hour to get all the edits and referencing right, and I push publish. Then 30 seconds later I get a level 3 warning. I didn't know what I did wrong. I only added two facts about the animals there. I look and half the article was gone and my message was if I don't stop disruptive editing, then I will be blocked. I did not know that at all that I had deleted something. Please help me. Is this a hacker or something that goes wrong with editing occasionally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Capitalist forever (talk • contribs) 22:45, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

You made a series of edits, the last of which removed the History section. I assume the removal was inadvertent, but it has nothing to do with hacking. You're editing with the mobile interface, which I think you've been told is buggy. I'm not saying that's the problem, but, regardless, you can avoid this by clicking on Show preview before Publish changes and making absolutely sure you didn't do anything unintended before you click on Publish changes.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link Wind Wolves Preserve. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll make sure to preview any changes.The Capitalist forever (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

NPOV

Sorry to ask about this but sometimes I notice articles are quite against the NPOV policies and any time I ask a question about that, I get a warning saying that my account could be blocked even though I am not trying say anything controversial. The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @The Capitalist forever, can you please provide an instance of this? MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I’ve gone and taken a look at your page. As a brand new editor, I encourage you to stay away from editing any controversial topics at this time. I haven’t browsed through your editing history in any depth, but abortion and Donald trump are areas that even the most experienced editor needs to exercise caution in. This is because these areas often attract people with a strong opinion on the subject. Wikipedia must contain statements that are factual, neutral, and reliably sourced. I reckon you should complete The Wikipedia Adventure before making anymore edits. Once you complete that, it may be a great idea to find some articles tagged as needing minor improvements and find some typos and such to correct while you learn the ropes. I can help you find some if you like.

Even as a brand new editor, you are no more or less entitled to edit anything than anyone else. That said, you will need to familiarise yourself with the guidelines of editing before moving into substantial edits. Any challenges to your edits need to be responded to and you will need to build consensus with the other editors. Otherwise, mistakes may result in templates being placed on your talk page. If you keep making the same mistakes or replacing reverted content into articles, you may indeed find yourself warned or even blocked. MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. Thanks for the advice! I mostly edit articles about my city and also biblical accounts. But when I read the Trump article, I didn't understand why it didn't say much about what good he did as president. If you put in the bad, there logically should be a good part. Anyway I took it to the talk section and my talk about how it sort of violated NPOV was taken down and I got a warning. I appreciate the offer for some minor edits, that would be nice! I'll go through wikipedia adventure. The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The Capitalist forever, you are a new editor who has strongly asserted non-neutral points of view about extremely controversial and highly topical issues. In my opinion, such overt userpage declarations are a bad idea, but you have chosen to make them anyway, although I see you have removed some of that. In other words, you are blithely and casually swimming in a pond that is infested with crocodiles. You may well encounter much more highly experienced editors who will not take kindly to a new editor expressing uninformed opinions on highly controversial topics. I recommend that you spend several months editing uncontentious topics before wrestling with the crocodiles. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

ok,I understand. Sorry for any trouble I have caused.The Capitalist forever (talk) 08:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

No need to be sorry. You haven’t caused any trouble. You are absolutely welcome here at Wikipedia. Cullen328 is right in saying you were swimming with crocs. Controversial topic areas are something many editors avoid because it can be quite dramatic even if you know what you’re doing. If you’re into sports or something similar try and find some outdated statistics or something to update. I do recommend you go through the Wikipedia adventure first like I said. Take care. MaxnaCarta (talk) 10:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Capitalist forever (talk • contribs) 23:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Contact someone from Google

Hi, I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 23:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cisnedenieve: This Teahouse is for asking questions about Wikipedia. We can't help you with your Google problem. You will need to contact them directly. RudolfRed (talk) 23:58, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Downloading image (FAA diagram)

How do you download an updated FAA diagram over an old one? I want to do this on the McGhee Tyson Airport article. The diagram should be updated; the current diagram is in the external links. Dont have a clue on how to do this. Help would be appreciated. Have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 23:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theairportman33531. Download means to receive from a server to your own computer. I guess you mean upload which is the opposite direction. First download the file to your own computer if it isn't already there. Then click the file you want to replace. If it's hosted at Commons then go there: commons:File:TYS FAA Diagram.pdf. Click "Upload a new version of this file" under "File history". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cisnedenieve, this place is for questions about editing Wikipedia, do you have any questions about that? Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 00:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, This a Teahouse in a Teahouse people ask about needs and we need Google to navigate on Wikipedia. I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I think you've misunderstood the purpose of this Teahouse, it's for questions about EDITING Wikipedia. We can't help you with your google activity, you'd need to go somewhere else for that. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 00:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like someone who answer me my question and not someone who is offending me or lying to me regarding the conecction between Google and Wikipedia, if you are not to answer my question, do not bother. This a Teahouse in a Teahouse people ask about needs and we need Google to navigate on Wikipedia. I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

You don't "need Google to navigate Wikipedia". I have never used Google to navigate Wikipedia. Whatever for? Wikipedia has perfectly good search functionality for its own content.

Nobody here knows anything more about contacting Google than you do. Asking the same question multiple times, as you did, isn't going to lead anywhere fruitful. You are not asking the right question in the right venue. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like someone who answer my question and not someone who is offending me or lying to me regarding the conecction between Google and Wikipedia, if you are not to answer my question, do not bother. This a Teahouse in a Teahouse people ask about needs and we need Google to navigate on Wikipedia. I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I would like someone who answer my question and not someone who is offending me or lying to me regarding the conecction between Google and Wikipedia, we use Google for Wikipedia, if you do not know or if you are not to answer my question, do not bother. This a Teahouse in a Teahouse people ask about needs and we need Google to navigate on Wikipedia. I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 00:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I Googled your question, and this is what they have to say about contacting them: https://about.google/intl/en_in/contact-google/ Karenthewriter (talk) 01:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cisnedenieve: You asked this question in an earlier section, and like the top of this page says, the Teahouse's help only extends to Wikipedia and not beyond that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Do broken links invalidate content?

I was reviewing a page and noticed that there were many broken links in the references. The content is therefore questionable in this case because it could no longer be supported unless the original editor could find a replacement.

For some of these, out of curiosity about whether the info on the page is legitimate, I did some online research and could not find any such reference to support what was written.

Does this mean the content should be removed? and do I simply explain this when I provide the reason for the edit? Edna.Arhat (talk) 03:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

In most cases, the "broken" links can be repaired by adding an archive link. You should not remove the content unless you determine that the source in fact did not and does not support it. General Ization ^Talk 03:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

If there is no archive link, is the best practice then to ping the source editor and ask for it to be fixed? if this is not done, then should the content be removed? Edna.Arhat (talk) 03:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

The best practice is to use the Wayback Machine, as explained at the link I included above, to locate the archive link and add it. If you are unwilling to take the time to do that, the only change you should make, if any, is to add the {{dead link}} template to let other editors know that the link needs to be updated with an archive link if one is available. General Ization ^Talk 03:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Can you offer more guidance on why this page was rejected

Page: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Ehab_Lotayef

After reviewing Bearcat's comment on the page rejection, I have evaluated the citations used to support the content. Here is a subset of the significant coverage about the subject in reliable independent sources. All of these are mainstream news outlets, and the articles either primarily discuss the subject or he is a significant aspect of the article.

The various aspects of this individual's public life make him a notable Canadian. So I just want better guidance as to how to meet the requirement for it to be published without simply saying "If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia" as the current version has many such references.

sample list: Footnote# / link 2) https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/newsmaker-ehab-lotayef-tried-to-break-gaza-strip-blockade-1.726524 4) https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/bridge-building-on-menu-as-westmount-synagogue-hosts-shabbat-evening 10) https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-urged-to-condemn-egyptian-ministers-remarks-saying-critics/ 11) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/9/25/palestinian-talks-egypt-seeks-to-regain-regional-power 12) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mcgill-racial-justice-board-of-governors-1.6028981 17) https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/campaign-against-quebec-s-bill-21-to-launch-1.4578007 Edna.Arhat (talk) 03:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Edna.Arhat please raise this enquiry over at the Articles for Creation Helpdesk. MaxnaCarta (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

thank you Edna.Arhat (talk) 03:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism

what is the difference between a vandalized article and a non vandalized article Maidenlessbeing (talk) 21:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Maidenlessbeing the main diffence between a vandalized article and a non vandalized article is that a vandalized article usually contains something that doesn't belong there, is entirely gibberish, has hi or sup on it, or the article has something that does not make sense. Usually vandal fighters (like me) will revert it. There is a page on vandalism and how to identify it which can also help you. -- Wesoree ^{(talk·contribs)} 21:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Maidenkessbeing is indef blocked. In answer to question above, at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, G3 is the designation for deletion for vandalism. David notMD (talk) 05:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Is their a way to retrieve older accounts?

Hey y'all! Although I joined Wikipedia in June 2020 under this account, I had a previous account that I used from 2018-2019. The account had minimal usage and I forgot its name until I remembered the name of the draft I created with the account Draft:IQ in the United States, which was WP:G13ed a month after I created this account. I was wondering if there was a way for me to retrieve the account Retroboy260 (talk · contribs) to use it for valid purposes per WP:SOCKLEGIT. Additionally, I was wondering if there was an easier way to find lost accounts, because considering that the only messages on my talk page were relating to the aforementioned draft, I think I have an additional earlier account, where I created a draft titled something along the lines of Draft:North American-United States naming dispute. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 05:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Knightoftheswords281. If you remember the password of your previous account, then you can log in and use it. If you have lost the password, but have an active email account attached to that Wikipedia account, then you can request a password reset. But, if you have lost the password and have no email attached, then it is not possible to regain control of the account. Going forward, please do your best to maintain account security. Cullen328 (talk) 05:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Using AI to request an unblock

I would like to know if since the rise of ChatGPT, that if people use AI to request an unblock, whether administrators would be able to tell whether it is a genuine unblock request. I'm bringing this up not because there is an issue now, but it could be for the future. If an admin who is active at the Teahouse and/or regularly reviews unblock requests can answer this question, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I think it would be easy for me to identify a genuine appeal. ChatGPT is unlikely to understand the context of the block, look through block logs and edit history, an so on. A bunch of empty platitudes about promising to follow policy in the future without any specifics won't be successfull as an appeal. And if the appeal is dishonest but successful, the editor would end up being blocked again quickly anyway if behavior didn't improve, and the second block would be far more difficult to appeal. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

+1 Born25121642 (talk) 09:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello - I would like to edit a page that is semi protected and restricted to only autoconfirmed users : Jimi Hendrix

thank you. Deeperknowledge22 (talk) 19:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Deeperknowledge22 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please make an edit request on the article talk page, Talk:Jimi Hendrix, detailing the edit you wish to see. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

You have had your account since 2008 and are autoconfirmed. David notMD (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I see you have edited the Jimi Hendrix article. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Deeperknowledge22 ... and the edit was reverted, probably because there was no source given. David10244 (talk) 10:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Randolph Turpin Page

Hello, I added some photos on the RT page under Belts and I do have permission from the owner but I did something wrong and they sent me a message saying I need to get permission etc , I filled out an email attaching the email from the copyright owner but now the message to me from WP has gone so I don't know if Wikipedia has received the email with the attachments, Can anyone help me,? I feel I am in limbo and don't wish for it to be deleted, can anyone check if WP have received the email? it was a template saying I'm a rep of the owner etc

Randolph Turpin Bijou1995 (talk) 10:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bijou, and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you follow the procedure in donating copyright materials? Normally, the mail needs to come from the copyright owner directly: I'm not sure whether it is acceptable as attachment from you.

In any case, the mails go to the OTRS team, and most editors do not see them or have anything to do with them. Please look at that page for how to find out the progress of your request. ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi thank you for replying, I've actually had an email from photo submissions but I'll also check the links you sent Bijou1995 (talk) 10:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Promotional Content Guidelines

I provided general information in my content but still its said to be promotional. Can somebody guide me in this regard. AJhighbrow1 (talk) 06:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Not unless you tell us which article(s) and edits you're talking about. Your account has made a smallish edit to each of eleven different articles on or after 17 April 2023 (and no other article-space edits): the "promotional" templates on each of those articles all predate your edits, often by several years, so cannot be referring to them. Or are you saying that you have previously (for several years) been editing those articles under another User name/IP? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 06:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AJhighbrow1. You have disclosed that you are a paid editor. Thanks for that. You made a variety of unrelated edits, seemingly to get autoconfirmed. Then, you submitted a highly promotional unreferenced draft that got deleted. We expect paid editors to be highly competent for many reasons, especially because unpaid volunteer editors need to review your work, and reviewing poor quality work from paid editors is a waste of time and a burden on volunteers. You show no sign of knowing how to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. Would you advertise yourself as a home builder if you knew nothing about zoning, surveying, building permits, public utilities, foundations, framing, sheet rock work, painting, plumbing, electrical work, cabinetry, interior finishes, landscaping and home security? I hope not. It looks like you are way over your head. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I just mentioned that I am a paid editor because I am an employee of this organization. Other than that, I am a new editor and would love to have guidance from an experienced editor like you. AJhighbrow1 (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@AJhighbrow1: I was the one who reviewed your draft and requested that it be deleted. All I can say is, if you keep submitting such content you are likely to get sanctioned eventually, your paid-editing disclosure notwithstanding. If your boss is telling you to write this stuff, they are setting you to fail, which isn't fair on you – please ask them to read this (esp. the first two sections): WP:BOSS. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

AJhighbrow1, you are getting paid to do a job competently, and here you are, asking highly experienced unpaid volunteer Wikipedia editors to help you earn your paycheck, with no benefit to any of us. Can't you see how bizarre that is? Do not take a job installing air conditioning systems if you have no idea at all how to install air conditioning systems, and do not ask other people to train you how to do that work for free. Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Put in months making non-trivial edits to articles and learn how to reference before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 11:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

How much time is it takes for an article nominated for speedy deletion to be deleted?

How much time do any article creator have to present his argument when his article is nominated for speedy deletion? Jatin1219 (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

No fixed time, Jatin1219. But if the system is working well, no time at all. -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Google and Wikipedia

Hi, if you are not going to anwer my question, do not bother to answering me because there is a connection between Google and Wikepedia, if you do not know or deny this do not bother to answer. I would like someone who answer my question and not someone who is offending me because you are offending me when you do not know and you answer what you do not know. I am practicing the Law, I have my human rights on Internet, my question is regarding the conecction between Google and Wikipedia, if you are not to answer my question, do not bother. This a Teahouse in a Teahouse people ask about needs and we need Google to navigate on Wikipedia. I need to contact someone from Google, I need my Google Activity on Internet from the last 4 years and where I am the internet is not properly functioning. There is no way Google to contact them directly. And the Teahouse is to ask every question because a tea is for that! I appreciate it! Cisnedenieve (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cisnedenieve: Please stop spamming the Teahouse after being told that this venue only aids with editing and using Wikipedia, and not with any external services like Google. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I have human rights on internet, do not answer if you do not know. Cisnedenieve (talk) 01:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

We can't help you get in touch with Google. It is not a matter of "not knowing". It is just that asking us this question is like going to your local KFC and complaining about the local library. We are just editors to the encyclopaedia, and the Teahouse is for editors to ask for help with editing. MaxnaCarta (talk) 02:17, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Cisnedenieve. Google reuses and repackages content from Wikipedia, which is entirely appropriate given Wikipedia's free licensing. But there is no formal connection or coordination between Google and Wikipedia whatsoever. I have been an editor for 14 years and an administrator for five years. I am denying the connection because there is no connection. The Teahouse is not a general forum to discuss every theory under the sun. It is a place to ask and answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Nothing more. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I have human rights on Internet. If you are not to answer my question entirely or if you are going to be on denial of the connection of Google and Wikepedia, do not answer and do not threaten me because that is crime. And I am not doing anything illegal, I have freedom of speach everywhere on Internet not just for a moment, or just in one place. And you know that. And Freedom of speech is not offend anyone. If you do not know, do not answer, or if you are on denial do not answer because if you deny it, it is because you do not know. Respect my human rights on internet. Cisnedenieve (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

On your Talk page you have been warned that repeating asking a question and not accepting the true answer is disruptive, and grounds for blocking you if you persist. David notMD (talk) 05:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I have blocked this editor as not here to build an encyclopedia. This person has not made a single edit to improve an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

So I woke up to this...kinda expected it to be honest Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 12:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

double redirect

So occasionally when you do Special:RandomInCategory/Surnames, you get redirected to a redirect, which then redirects you to a page. But this is double redirect?? 122.59.24.241 (talk) 08:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. I don't think they count as such: see WP:2R. Anyway, real double redirects normally get removed by bots, so we don't need to worry about them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, by "double redirect" we only mean wikitext redirects made with #REDIRECT [[...]]. Pages starting with "Special:" are not wikitext pages but special pages made automatically by MediaWiki. There are other special pages which can do the same if they happen to redirect to a wikitext redirect. There are also other MediaWiki features which can do it. For example, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/examples with lowercase "examples" is automatically redirected to uppercase http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Examples which then redirects to http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Example via the wikitext redirect on Examples. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Engegård Quartet

I have substantially revised the article about the Engegård Quartet after receiving very similar comments on the earlier draft. Therefore, I would like to ask for more specific feedback about what in this revised text resembles advertisement or is not from a neutral point of view. I would also like to know which sources are judged as “not reliable”. The sources which were created by the Engegård Quartet are included solely to document the collaborations with other musicians and participation in festivals that are described. I have read the verifiability information available on Wikipedia and am unable to ascertain which of the remaining resources are not considered to be independent, reliable, and published sources. It would therefore be helpful if the reviewer could provide specific examples of sources that are judged as not meeting the criteria. Elizabeth Nygaard (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Elizabeth Nygaard: Before you continue work on Draft:Engegård Quartet, please disclose your conflict of interest on your user page, as you've been asked to do on your talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Elizabeth Nygaard, welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has 67 citations. Most folks are not going to have the time and energy to evaluate that many sources. I would recommend picking your best three sources - the ones which most closely fit our criteria - and linking to them here, to make things a little easier on anyone who may want to help you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Mortal Kombat article

Trying to create a article for Mortal Kombat 12 (upcoming fighting video game), but it redirects straight to Mortal Kombat.'' Where can I find some sources to edit my article? TheWikiGuy2552 (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Mortal Kombat 12 is redirecting to Mortal Kombat because it is currently the only reference to it on Wikipedia. If you want to create the full page you need to go to http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Mortal_Kombat_12&redirect=no and edit it from there. Evan.oltmanns (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TheWikiGuy2552, welcome to the Teahouse. It's going to be very hard to find sources for a game that hasn't been released yet. It would be much better to wait until after release, when reviews and the like become available; then you can continue working on Draft:Mortal Kombat 12. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@TheWikiGuy2552: Please do not resubmit your draft without addressing my concerns. I will not accept an article which has no sources as that would be a violation of policy. Additionally, please do not add unsourced speculation per the policy explaining the Wikipedia cannot and will not predict the future by adding usnourced speculation. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Recover unpublished edits

I was writing in the sandbox and somehow most of my work got deleted, and I cannot figure out how to recover the unpublished edits I made. Is there a way to do so? Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Carmenalc/Codex_Ixtlilxochitl?action=edit Carmenalc (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Carmenalc. If you did not click "Publish changes", then Wikipedia has no record of what you may have typed in a sandbox. You may be able to recover the content in your browser history. Cullen328 (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Article about The National Commission on Resources for Youth

Someone has continued to add inaccurate information in the second and third paragraphs of this entry, while cutting the correct information that I had added. Each time I correct it, they change it back. I am not sure what to do. This is my first time trying to work with Wikimedia. I am very disturbed to see such inaccurate information on this article as the National Commission was an important organization and many people have noted the inaccuracy. Please advise. National Commission on Resources for Youth Henrybardklein (talk) 19:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: National Commission on Resources for Youth - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Henrybardklein. You added non-neutral content cited to improperly formatted references. And then you removed content that was properly referenced, on the grounds that it is "inaccurate". Please read about the Neutral point of view and Referencing for beginners. What is your connection, if any, with this organization? Cullen328 (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Henrybardklein. All articles have talk pages - that is the place to discuss changes to an article, especially if there is some disagreement. You could start a discussion at Talk:National Commission on Resources for Youth, pinging the editors who reverted your changes. You can find their usernames in the revision history of the article; see WP:PING to learn how to ping folks using their usernames. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Question about 'views' of our edits

When we see numbers of views provided for our edits, does this refer to:

— Editors who look at our edits? or ...

— General readers who look at the article in which we made edits?

Augnablik (talk) 07:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

"It refers to the number of times a particular page has been requested. Using toolforge:pageviews, it is possible to see statistics on how often Wikipedia pages have been viewed during various times. These figures do not reflect the number of unique visitors a page has received."

As I understand it, if you reload or edit a page, that's a pageview. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It might help others avoid the same question if there were clarification with the information given editors ... such as:

# of page requests, not unique viewers Augnablik (talk) 22:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik There is no way that the pageview software can tell what a reader actually looked at within an article. So, if for example your only edit was somewhere at the foot of a long article, you can be pretty sure that many fewer readers looked at it compared to those who read the WP:LEDE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Errors on cites or links

Difficulty with cites and references while working on my profile... not able to completely rectify my sources according to the format. Thanks, Ned Ned Augustenborg (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ned Augustenborg, welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps Help:Referencing for beginners would be of some use. You seem to be writing an autobiography on your user page - be warned, this is a poor idea for two reasons. First, user pages are a place to tell folks about yourself as a Wikipedia editor, not a place to write draft articles. You should write drafts either in your sandbox or in an actual draft, such as Draft: Ned Augustenborg. Second, writing an autobiography is very strongly discouraged - see WP:AUTOBIO for an explanation of the difficulties and pitfalls. You should also review our policy on editing with a conflict of interest: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:09, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Ned Augustenborg. Wikipedia does not have profiles. This an encyclopedia, not a social media site. Your userpage is to describe your work and goals as a Wikipedia editor. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Trying to write an autobiography is highly discouraged. Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ned Augustenborg. I've removed the YouTube link you've added to your user page for the reasons explained here and here. While links to YouTube are allowed to be added to pages in some cases, this is only allowed when it's clear the the contain being hosted on YouTube has been uploaded by its original copyright holder. Any links that look like YouTube users uploading copyrighted content created by others are pretty much never going to be allowed as a precaution. This might seem a bit strict, but it has to do with the way Wikipedia licenses the content it hosts among other things. If you didn't know this, that's OK; just be very careful when adding links to YouTube to any Wikipedia page (even as a citation) from now on. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Jay z houses in New orleans

Any fucking bussiness about jay z Alexjz1121 (talk) 22:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Alexjz1121, welcome to the Teahouse. There are many businesses listed at Jay-Z#Business career - some of them may have locations in New Orleans. I'd recommend looking at the website of whichever one you're interested in to check. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

COI remove

Any editor can help remove a COI tag on the following page? http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Jason_Liang PotsdamChess (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

If it is truly amended (which I am unsure of) then you should be able to open edit source then delete the first line which should display the warning. Please make sure that it is truly amended as looking over the talk you seem to be very closely related. Chacabangaso (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

PotsdamChess, it seems that you have a conflict of interest. Accordingly, you should neither remove the tag nor ask others to do do. Please leave that decision to uninvolved editors. Cullen328 (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I will stop getting involved with this page in the future. However, the contents of the page are all neutral and key points are cited with references. PotsdamChess (talk) 20:50, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, I just noticed you added a new tag for Jason Liang's page. The following is from a secondary source if you may help add it.

IM Jason Liang tied for first in the 2022 Washington International according to Washington Times:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/23/john-burke-fellow-yanks-score-high-marylands-inter/ PotsdamChess (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

feel free to edit the page. PotsdamChess (talk) 20:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

PotsdamChess The COI tag applies if you have a personal relationship with Jason Liang. Your opinion that the content is neutral point of view and references matters not at all. David notMD (talk) 22:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

David, any methods to remove this COI tag in the following weeks? I will be fine to get all my inputs removed from the page and already stopped editing a few months ago. PotsdamChess (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

No. You have made more than 50 edits to the article. Unraveling all that would damage the article. Furthermore, you are not the only COI. The article was created by an editor with a User name suggesting that person is Jason's father. There are also several edits by a User Chliang gwu which are suspect of being a COI. If Jason's chess career continues to mature, and editors with no apparent connection to him add significant content to the article, then years from now, a non-connected editor may decide that the COI tag is no longer required. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@PotsdamChess: I recommend asking the folks who inhabit WT:CHESS to review the article. Explain that you have a COI, you have edited the article in the past but refrain from doing so now, and you would like a reviewer to look it over and change whatever might need to change to get the COI tag removed. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. May you help send a request to those folks? PotsdamChess (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@PotsdamChess Why is it important to you that the COI tag is removed? The tag may be accurately describing the state of the article, especially based on what @David notMD wrote above. The tag is not harming the article, and it's providing valuable information. In my opinion, you should not worry about this. David10244 (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Dave580 is an account recently created, editing only this article, and removed the COI tag (since restored) without a comment. On the Talk page, two IPs asked for help to remove the COI. The COI stays. Furthermore, the notability of the entire article has now been challenged in a tag, based on weak references. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I am learning about the editing process of Wikipedia too. I fully agree with you. I stopped editing this particular page from a couple of months ago and will not touch it any longer. PotsdamChess (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Should this article be in WP space?

I found an article Wikipedia:Aditya Birla Health Insurance Co. Limited that was in Wikipedia article space but look like it belongs in main or draft space. Can anyone here comment on this? CoderThomasB (talk) 00:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Great pickup @CoderThomasB. Main space is where the article is. Mainspace means it's live on Wikipedia. Given the article's age, it is not suitable for drafting. However I believe this is pure advertising so I nominated it for deletion. Great work. Also, while any editor can nominate an article for deletion, given you are still gaining experience asking for help was a great idea. MaxnaCarta (talk) 01:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Linking to media section of Category page

What I would like to do is create a template that links directly to the media section of a category page. The template would reference {{PAGENAME}} since the page name and category would share the same title.

As an example with Category:Self-published work, how would I create a template using {{PAGENAME}} (with the template on the appropriate page) to link to the media section? Evan.oltmanns (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Evan.oltmanns, welcome to the Teahouse. The HTML source of the category page says id="mw-category-media" at the heading. That means you can link it with [[#mw-category-media|Media]]. There is no need for the page name on a link to the page itself. If you did need the page name it would be {{FULLPAGENAME}} to include Category: in front. A link from here: Category:Self-published work#mw-category-media. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Evan.oltmanns (talk) 04:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

trouble uploading a picture

I am trying to upload a picture of the former mayor of our city.

I get this pop up: We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons. Linus5260 (talk) 04:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Linus5260: Welcome to the Teahouse! Were you trying to upload a photo you took with your own camera, or a photo you found on the internet? Commons has its own help area where you can find an FAQ: commons:Help:Contents. GoingBatty (talk) 05:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm hoping to create a page about Nansen, a blockchain analytics company

I'm aiming to create a page for nansen.ai which is a blockchain analytics company. I'm wondering it the company would pass the notability test? Themlpx (talk) 05:54, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Themlpx. You’re a brand new editor. It’s not advisable to immediately try and create an article. I’m looking at this company I don’t believe it would pass our notability guideline for companies. Please also review our policy on paid editing or editing on something on which you have a conflict of interest. MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Themlpx, per WP:GNG, what are the 3-4 best sources you know of? I found these [4][5] but they don't help the case for an article. As a rule of thumb, "crypto sites" like WP:COINDESK aren't considered WP:RS around here, but you can ask about specific sources at WP:RSN. Note also that the subject falls under WP:CTOP. WP:BACKWARD is recommended reading. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Film & art archivist looking for some help

Hi everyone,

I'm new to Wikipedia and currently working on creating articles for artists and filmmakers with notable accomplishments. I'm passionate about sharing their work and contributions with a wider audience, and I believe having a presence on Wikipedia can help achieve this goal.

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Brett_Gregory

However, I'm still learning the ropes of Wikipedia editing and would love some help and guidance from more experienced editors. Specifically, I recently received feedback on a draft article for Brett Gregory, which was declined for not meeting Wikipedia's standards for a neutral tone and use of promotional language. I've made some changes to the draft and would appreciate any feedback or suggestions for improvement from the community.

I'm excited to be a part of this community and look forward to learning more about Wikipedia editing and contributing to the site in meaningful ways.

Thanks in advance for your help and support!

JamesMarsdan (talk) 13:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

JamesMarsdan maybe you should write an article on Nobody Loves You and You Don't Deserve To Exist. Half of the article, including many of the reviews, is about the film. You might find more success with that. You are doing a good job keeping your WP:COI under control though. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh thank you for the comment! I will consider that. JamesMarsdan (talk) 14:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@JamesMarsdan You have to be careful, though: Wikipedia wants articles on people (including artists and filmmakers) who are (already) notable. At the same time, Wikipedia's purpose is not to "shar[e] their work and contributions with a wider audience". In other words, WP is not here to publicize or promote anyone. It sounds a bit contradictory, but readers aren't always aware of all of the notable artists, so if a notable person gets noticed even more due to an article, that should be OK. Good luck! David10244 (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Physics

How can I search for the topics related to "Competing Interactions" in physics? Qui Tran-Cong (talk) 06:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Qui Tran-Cong If you mean on Wikipedia, did you try to just search for "Competing Interactions"? It gets you this result, those are the only WP-articles with the phrase. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

City of Fairfax seal

The City of Fairfax, Virginia, adopted a new seal late last year, but the Wikimedia image has not been updated to reflect this.

I have never updated any flags/seals on Wikipedia, so I'm unsure if I should edit the current file for the seal or make a whole new one to reflect the change. Thank you! Popeetoes (talk) 02:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Popeetoes: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you upload a new file. While the new seal should be at the top of the Fairfax, Virginia article, it may be appropriate to show the older seal further down in the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Popeetoes I could help with uploading a new one, but I can't find a nice online version to "borrow". I could make a cropping from the pic at [6], but that doesn't seem optimal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Buli Mahato Move from Draft to Article

Buli Mahato

Text about Buli Mahato
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Buli Mahato was a prominent revolutionary leader of the Bhumij Rebellion and Kol Rebellion. He was a zamindar, social leader and revolutionary struggle leader of the Kudmi community of Karadih village in Sonahatu Thana, Jharkhand. He mostly rode on horseback. He revolted in 1831 against the exploitation of British rule to avenge the exploitation of the British. He joined the Kol Rebellion as a prominent revolutionary leader in the eastern frontier Silli, Tamar, Sonahatu and then Jangalmahal areas, Ranchi district of Jharkhand and Barabhum, Jhalda, Manbazar, Hura, Jaipur, Baghmundi etc. in Manbhum. Govardhan Bhumij who captured and killed the envoy sent to negotiate with Ganga Narain. Bauri Naya, one of the Ghatwals, who was associated with Ganga Narain's party to attack the troops at Barabazar in May, while Buli Mahato and Jardre Bhumij who helped kill Madhav Singh. Which is known in the pages of history as Bhumij Rebellion or Ganga Narain Hungama. Later again, there was a Kol rebellion involving tribals and non-tribals in that area of Chotanagpur plateau region. Then the Barabhum Kudmali folk songs also mention revolutionary rebel leaders such as Jagannath Dhal, Lal Singh, Ganga Narain, Buli Mahato etc. Buli Mahato was instrumental in igniting the rebellion in the plateau region of Chotanagpur to reclaim lands of the exploited, deprived, revenue expropriation and abuse of moneylenders. He played a role. He tired the British and the landlords with his bravery and solidarity. Buli Mahato was arrested by the British police at village Jhunjha in Purulia district and deported to the Andaman Nicobar Jail, where he died on 14 June 1834. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Y-1tAAAAMAAJ&q=buli+mahato&dq=buli+mahato&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7vJSW-sv-AhUU9zgGHenXBYg4ChDoAXoECAYQAw#buli%20mahato

Also I have more references on Buli Mahato.

Thank You. চিথারাই মাহাতো (talk) 09:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

চিথারাই মাহাতো, if you have a question about editing the article Buli Mahato (which was very properly draftified, but then prematurely promoted to an article), then please ask the question. -- Hoary (talk) 09:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Coordinates

I am currently working on the page for West Sussex and one of the things in the todo box is to add the coords to the county town (chichester). How do I do this? FusionSub (talk) 09:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @FusionSub: see Template:Coord. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing thanks! FusionSub (talk) 10:14, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

nvm it's more confusing. FusionSub (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

How long do AfD’s take?

Hello so I was curious how long they tend to take because one of mine are being debated and no new info has been added in a hot minute so I’m curious how long it’ll take until the verdict is decided. 46.32.122.186 (talk) 11:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

seven days, although longer times are possible. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Kkty 46.32.122.186 (talk) 12:39, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

How to delete languages added to my list of what I speak

I thought I added Italian, Spanish, and French ... but somehow those languages got replaced by other languages I've never even heard of! No idea how this happened. Augnablik (talk) 20:07, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Welcome to the Teahouse! Some editors include this information on their user page, but I don't see this on your user page. Where did you see the replacement happen? GoingBatty (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

On my User page, when I go to Add languages but click on the down arrow, then click on Open language settings. I see English and Italian, but there is also some language called Bahasya Melayu. I know I chose French and Spanish at the same time I chose Italian. I never chose this other language. And somewhere along the line, I've seen three other unusual language showing up for me.

What I thought I was doing was indicating to Wikipedia settings that I might want to read articles in Italian, French, and Spanish — not advertising to others looking at my User page that I spoke those languages.

And now I have no idea how to delete Bahasya Melayu, or — if they reappear — the other unusual languages that I've also seen when I looked at my language settings.

Totally bewildered. Or, to use your own Wiki handle ... going batty ... Augnablik (talk) 07:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik Those are not languages that you say you can speak; I think you are seeing a list of languages that have Wikipedias. The list is there so you can select a language, to see its Wikipedia articles. I don't know why random languages seem to appear in the list sometimes. David10244 (talk) 10:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

So, then, we should choose a language only if we want to go to Wikipedia in that language, and at the same time rather than later? Augnablik (talk) 22:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand what this means. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Those are language settings that change the display language of menus and sidebars to the specified one, even if you're on a particular language's Wikipedia. It's not going to tell others what languages you speak; to do that, you're going to have to do that manually with a template like {{Babel}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:38, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu I think you nailed it. David10244 (talk) 06:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

But remember, it wasn't to tell others what languages I speak that I tried out the language settings ... Augnablik (talk) 10:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: I think we're talking past each other. If you're trying to get the languages that you normally read to show up first under languages, there's a lot more information on this page that I think is very relevant for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

What can be done here?

I edited the Dhaka article to add content about partition-related history (in particular the partition-induced demographic shifts in the city), using three scholarly sources. An editor seems adamant that these will not be added to the page, and keeps reverting every edit related to it that I make to the article (1 2 3). Despite multiple requests for sources on the talk page to demonstrate why the content doesn’t belong in the article, the editor hasn’t really come up with any sources. Surely there’s something that can be done? I have no interest in edit warring. UnpetitproleX (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@UnpetitproleX: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. Since this appears to be a content dispute, I suggest you bring this to the dispute resolution noticeboard, where a volunteer moderator may look at your case and try to navigate it to everyone's liking. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I will copy-paste this there! UnpetitproleX (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

cancel

I made a very bad edit to an article how do I roll it back to the way it was before? Casper king (talk) 15:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Casper king, I've undone the edit. I admit I didn't spend much time figuring out what specifically went wrong; you removed a lot of stuff and added a lot of stuff, and multiple things broke. You can do two things to avoid this in the future:

• Make small, incremental edits. Then, if something breaks, you can just undo that edit, and not lose everything else.
• You can copy the wikitext into your sandbox, and fiddle with it there.

--Floquenbeam (talk) 15:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Full details of how to revert your own edits or those of other editors are at WP:REVERT. The easiest way to check you are not going to break things is always to WP:PREVIEW your addition before publish/saving it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casper king (talk • contribs) 15:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

adding a spoken language to the global settings

Hello,

When I created the account I was asked what languages I was able to edit on. I would like to add an additional language to my spoken languages setting in the profile, but I can't find where to change this global setting. I have seen the code file but I was unable to edit it. Is this possible? If yes, can you point me in the right direction? Many thanks. May mighty (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@May mighty I think that the easiest way to tell other editors which languages you speak is to add {{Babel}} boxes to your Userpage (currently a redlink as you have not created that page). See that template link for how it works and my own Userpage for what it looks like. Adding a Babelbox automatically adds your Username to the category (or multiple categories) of editors who can contribute in a given language. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much Mike. I will try that. May mighty (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Suffix with a numeral?

When adding a manual citation, the fields for author name state that you can "suffix with a numeral to add additional authors." Can someone let me know exactly how to 'suffix with a numeral'? Thanks in advance! DrOrinScrivello (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DrOrinScrivello, welcome to the Teahouse. It means that you can add a number (1, 2, 3, etc.) to the parameter to allow additional entries. For instance, see how all the various editors are listed in the first example here: Template:Cite encyclopedia#Examples. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@DrOrinScrivello: You can use parameters |author1=, |author2=, |author3=, etc. Another option is |last1=|first1=, |last2=|first2=, |last3=|first3=, etc. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you both. I should have mentioned that I, a heretic, primarily use visual editor. I have no excuse not to learn wiki markup, though, and it looks like this is a good opportunity to begin. Thanks again. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@DrOrinScrivello, I see that the visual editor does have a small selection of citation templates "installed" (under Cite->Manual) which will let you add additional authors simply by clicking the little checkboxes. But if you need to cite something beyond a website, news, journal or book, you may indeed need to switch to source. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

That being said, the citation templates are widely used and so they should have TemplateData ascribed to them. What that means is if you look up that template while editing with the visual editor, you should see the most common parameters show up for you to input values. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:06, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh I see now what you and the friendly IP editor are referring to. I got hung up on the 'suffix' bit and didn't pay enough attention to the rest of the template. Appreciate everyone's help. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

How to see what unique pages a user had edited?

I already know how to look at everything single edit a user has made but is there any tool that just lists what unique articles they have edited? It would useful for research for me. AlphaRex1984 (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@AlphaRex1984 You can navigate to the contribution page of an editor and at the bottom of it is a link to a toolforge tool called "Edit count". Among the large list of things this shows (e.g. for me it is at this URL) you can expand a section called "Top edited pages" to show what is essentially the information you seek. There is also a download link at that point. The level of detail is actually a bit scary! Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted! Thank you so much. AlphaRex1984 (talk) 21:40, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Fremont Troll's Name?

So on the Fremont Troll Wiki page, it has a name over the featured photo "Ethan Tran Troll". What's that about? BearrishJ (talk) 00:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Fremont_Troll BearrishJ (talk) 00:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

It's about this edit (which I have just now reverted). And what was that about? Well, perhaps some young fellow has a classmate named Ethan Tran. -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Help with New Article - :NEVENT

Hi everyone. I am attempting to write an article about the Holy Thursday Massacre, an event where Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission agents euthanized 30+ prohibited snakes under questionable circumstances, including a legal pet boa which was pregnant* at the time. The draft exists here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Holy_Thursday_Massacre_(2023) My first question is if this will pass notability for events. I believe it could- it has seen some widespread outcry, and it's possible that legislation will follow. Even if not though, I think it is certainly notable enough to write a section in the main FWC article about it. I'm brand new to wiki, so any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated. :) SunsetShotguns (talk) 13:07, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@SunsetShotguns: Hi there! I agree that you could first add this as a section in the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission article, and you could create a new article if the information became too large for the FFWCC article. You currently have all seven footnotes after the first sentence, which can be considered citation overkill. Instead, I suggest you add more sentences with information from those sources, and move the footnotes to the sentences they support. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:14, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty! As for the citation overkill, I was really just trying to get my sources down so that I don't lose any of them. I'm planning to move things around as I expand the article. SunsetShotguns (talk) 14:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

You can 'park' content and references in your own Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 01:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

what is the meaning of tea?

tea is complex, i think.... 185.113.71.210 (talk) 08:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Read Tea from beginning to end, including all its references. If you still have questions, try visiting a local library, which is a big building with a lot of books. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen328, I realise this question was a bit random but remember that we want Wikipedia to be a welcoming and friendly place and biting newcomers and IPs works directly against this (even when they ask silly questions). Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Tomorrow and tomorrow, please explain how my responsive and informative reply constitutes "biting". Cullen328 (talk) 01:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, I believe try visiting a local library, which is a big building with a lot of books comes across as sarcastic (which WP:BITE warns us against) and was both condescending and appeared to ridicule another editor's comment (which WP:Civility discourages). Furthermore, advising them to Read Tea from beginning to end, including all its references was unhelpful, as I don't think it is reasonable to instruct someone to read the entirety of a Wikipedia article plus all 133 references. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 02:25, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

dispute over the content of the page about the korean idol Ryu Sera

hello, my question is the following, some users are deleting my contributions on this page (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ryu_Se-ra), the argument is that they are not constructive, but they are important information because they were not present before, and they are links to a social network (instagram) and YouTube channel of the artist in question. Is there any way to resolve this conflict? Biana uni (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Biana uni - Wikipedia's primary way of resolving disputes and making descions is through consensus. You can read more about this here. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 02:36, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Having looked at it more, this seems to have become something of an edit war (more info here). I would recommend just stepping back, and not continuing to make edits, until an agreement can be made on the Talk page. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 02:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Is This Template Broken Or Formatted Wrong?

Okay So The Other Day I Was Editing Pressure Cooker (Netflix Show) To Include An Episode List, And Despite Putting In Descriptions For The Episodes, They Aren't Showing Up In The Article's Episode Template. As Said In The Title, Is The Template Not Working Or Is It Formatted Wrong? It Looks Exactly The Same As On Other (Unrelated) Articles, At Least To Me.

(Image Of Edit / Image Of Article)

MJB20077 (talk) 08:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed @MJB20077: The {{Episode list|Pressure Cooker part was causing the problem. It needs to be just {{Episode list. I cleaned that up and the descriptions now show. - X201 (talk) 10:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

BUT... Those descriptions are copied and pasted from Netflix or a TV guide and that is a copyright violation, so I'll have to delete them. They need to be written in your own words. - X201 (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah. My Apologies. I Didn't Know That Was Wrong To Do. MJB20077 (talk) 03:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

looking for contribution and suggestion on a draft.

Hi I am looking for contribution and suggestion on a draft.

Draft:Southern Travels Private Limited Prashantrajput6788 (talk) 07:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Prashantrajput6788, ten minutes after you posted the request above, you got a response to your predicament on the draft itself: "Winning a government award might make the company notable, but you need independent reliable sources with significant coverage to summarize. The sources currently offered just have routine coverage or brief mentions." It's unlikely that anyone here other than you will spend time looking for such sources. If these sources exist, it's your job to find them. If they don't exist, no article can be produced. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Undoing a page move

Hello! Is there a way to revert a page move and/or what is the best approach to undo a page move? Eucalyptusmint (talk) 01:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Eucalyptusmint. The common method is to make a new move from scratch in the opposite direction. The logs (not the page history) of the old title has a "revert" link at the move but it's hard to get to and I think it's rarely used. If the redirect from the first move has been edited afterwards then an administrator is required. See Wikipedia:Moving a page#Moves where the target name has an existing page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

great, thank you I'll take a look. Just for clarification (and b/c I think I might've used the wrong term) does this also work for undoing a redirect? To shed some light, a discussion was underway about possibly merging a page with another and someone preemptively went ahead and redirected that page prior to consensus being reached. So am trying to figure out the best approach here. Eucalyptusmint (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Eucalyptusmint: Undoing a redirect is just like undoing any other edit. It reverts back to whatever version was previously in the page history. Undoing a page move might be problematic if the old page still exists in some form (liek as a redirect). In that case an administrator or an editor with pagemove rights would need to do it. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

got it, thank you so much! Eucalyptusmint (talk) 13:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Change title of a submitted draft?

Hello! I've submitted a draft of this page which I'd like to rename as UNCONDITIONAL (2023 Film) as there is apparently another film with the same name from 2012. But it doesn't appear that I have the tool to be able to do that. Would someone have some guidance on how to do that? Thank you! Jdweikler (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may just leave a note for the reviewer on the draft talk page; if they accept the draft, they will place it at the proper title. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Six Flags

Can we make a page for 6 flags Saudi Arabia? Thanks to anyone who responds!!! ❤️ 2600:6C48:617F:23A6:14D7:B2C7:854A:5986 (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I just replied to you on your talk page and I've corrected the list change you were trying to make on Six Flags.

If you have content to create the article, you can go ahead and change the existing redirect page at Six Flags Qiddiya, or if you need some time to develop the article, you can create it as a draft by starting it at Draft:Six Flags Qiddiya instead.

Happy editing. Raladic (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Freedom Party of British Columbia

Subject: Freedom Party of British Columbia

Freedom Party of British Columbia

Hi, my question is that a political party existed from 2001 to 2009. Another party with same name has been registered in 2023. How can the old wikipedia entry can be edited to reflect this information? Or should a new page be created, perhaps with suffix 2023?

The new party website (https://freedompartybc.ca/) entry shows up as the first one when searched on Google. Obviously the party is significant and is attracting enought traffic to show up as first Google result.

The party is also registered with Elections BC and shows up on Elections BC website (https://elections.bc.ca/docs/fin/Registered-Political-Parties-Information.pdf)

So far every attempt to edit the existing page or create a new page has been reverted. We are told what not to do, but not what to do. How to make the existing page reflect the true and current status?

it would be great if an existing wikipedia expert can make these changes after verifying the information. I personally have given up. Amrit.Birring (talk) 20:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Amrit.Birring The current article has been around a long time but if submitted today would be unlikely to be accepted as it has no sources, never mind sources that meet the relevant notability guidance. If and when the new party is written about in sources that meet the golden rules, someone, including you if you wish, may draft an article about it and either the new article will usurp the old one, or more likely be titled to distinguish them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

How about the following for the independent sources mentioning Freedom Party of British Columbia:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1966356/ecole-genre-trans-droits-opposition-enfants

https://www.rebelnews.com/antifa_tries_to_intimidate_small_group_of_parents_protesting_the_sexual_indoctrination_of_kids_in_b_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4n94ebb4E (Antifa-like Mob Swarms Parents Protesting Against The Sexual Indoctrination of Children) Amrit.Birring (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Of the three, only Radio Canada is a reliable source. You could use that one, since it does, at the very end, explain what the Freedom Party is. However, you should definitely not try to fully rewrite the article, as you just did, to make it about this new party, without first discussing this on the Talk page. That was not a brief sentence! I shall add a brief sentence for you. If you want to discuss the article further and are not getting responses on the Talk page, you could try WP:CANADA. -- asilvering (talk) 22:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Some more references, if these can vetted as well please. I will definitely refrain from editing the page myself.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/saturdays-anti-sogi-protest-in-surrey-was-a-missed-opportunity-to-educate-says-surrey-teacher/

https://www.rebelnews.com/muslims_christians_and_sikhs_protest_against_the_sexual_indoctrination_of_kids_in_bc_schools

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/03/26/surrey-protest-sogi-b-c-schools/ Amrit.Birring (talk) 01:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Rebel News is not a reliable source, so that's no good. See WP:RS for more info on that. I suggest posting these links on the Talk page of the article (except the Rebel News one), where you've already started the discussion, and see where you get with that, rather than adding more here to the Teahouse. Sorry you weren't getting much of a response there before (articles about defunct political parties don't tend to have a lot of page watchers), but I see you've got one recently and I've flagged this with WP:CANADA so hopefully you'll get some more eyes on it. Both of these parties should presumably be on the Freedom Party disambiguation page, so I'll put them there, but the question about how to disambiguate the two Freedom Party of British Columbia I'll leave to the Talk page discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 16:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Amrit.Birring I noticed your most recent edit to the article was reverted because it didn't have a source for the info. If you write a brief sentence saying that the name is being used by a different party and provide a link to that information, I expect that will be fine. -- asilvering (talk) 20:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Amrit.Birring Your use of "we" in your posts suggests that you may have a conflict of interest. Please read WP:COI before continuing. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Disclosed COI above, learning on the go.

Please note that my only interest in this page is that it should factually display the current party instead of a party that was de-registered in 2009. That would be misleading for people who are looking for more details about the party.

Once an accurate page is established, it should be self sustaining for non related people to edit it and update information in it. Amrit.Birring (talk) 02:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Amrit.Birring, no, that is not the proper outcome. This is an encyclopedia that covers historical topics including political parties that no longer exist. For the same reason, we have articles about various buildings thst were destroyed in the September 11, 2001 attacks, although they have not existed for almost 22 years. Similarly, we do not delete articles about famous people when they die. If the new party that you founded is notable and gets its own article, then any article about it will be given a title that disambiguates it from the previous party of the same name, but the older article will remain. Cullen328 (talk) 07:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

My article about BirdDog was declined

Hello. I have written an article about BirdDog and it was declined because of non-reliable sources. My username is Kale04. Can you please help me to fix it ? I really want this article to be published. Thank you! Kale04 (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Kale04 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft in essence just tells about the company and its offerings- that's not what an article should do(primarily, at least). The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Sources should not include things like brief mentions, staff interviews, press releases, announcements of routine business activities, or any other materials put out by the company. We are looking for sources that chose on their own to write about the company and what is important/significant/influential about it. Fewer high quality sources like that are preferable to a large number of low quality sources. Please read Your First article.

If you are associated with this company, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I am not from this company, I am a student who is trying to write a good article. Can you tell me please , which of my sources are non-reliable? It was a little bit difficult to find sources about this company, it was only their web.

Thank you Kale04 (talk) 10:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Kale04 It isn't necessarily that the sources are not reliable, it's that they do not provide significant coverage of this company for an article to summarize. An article should not merely tell what the company does and describe its offerings. Wikipedia wants to know what is considered significant/important/influential about the company- in short, how it meets the definition of a notable company. 331dot (talk) 10:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Are you writing this draft as an assignment from a teacher/instructor? 331dot (talk) 10:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, yes, it was my homework to write a wikipedia article about BirdDog. I was trying to tell about this company , their products and features. Can you please advise me something what I can improve ? this article have to be published for my homework to be successful Thank you Kale04 (talk) 10:07, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Kale04 I will be frank- that is an extremely poor assignment to give you- and feel free to show this message to your instructor. It's unfair to you to require the publication of an article as an assignment, as you have limited control over the process. While you got lucky and had your draft reviewed quickly, there is no guarantee that will occur(typically it takes weeks or months). Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia even for people not under the pressure of doing so as an assignment. As a new editor, you are unfamiliar with content guidelines and relevant policies. It would be like your teacher asking you to build a house without instructing you in construction techniques such as pouring concrete for a foundation, cutting and framing wood, obtaining supplies, roofing, and so on. There are a lot of parts involved in creating an article. Your teacher should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials to learn how they can design lessons incorporating Wikipedia without requiring students to undertake the most difficult thing to do here.

As to "I was trying to tell about this company , their products and features", that's exactly what we don't want. We want sources that discuss this company extensively, not merely tell what it does. If, as you say, there are few sources about this company that do that, it would not merit an article at this time and no amount of editing can change that. I'm afraid that your teacher has given you an impossible task. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I know it. we have a condition for this article , that it have to be technical. So i was trying to write some technical things about products. But my article was declined because of non-reliable sources. maybe i can change it and it will be okay? … Kale04 (talk) 10:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

As I said, (and please click the link and read it)no amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. There is nothing that you can do to make the company notable. If the sources are not there, the sources are not there. Again, feel free to show this discussion to your instructor. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

For the purposes of your assignment, you could write an article in your own user space. Here's a link you can start from: [7]. This allows you to write a draft that your instructor can mark you on, and it shouldn't be deleted while you are working on it. You can submit it to AfC later, in the hopes of getting it published in mainspace, or you can ask an admin to delete it once your course is over and you've received a mark. Everyone else is correct to say that the instructor should not be giving you this kind of assignment, but you can at least create a draft in userspace for now. -- asilvering (talk) 21:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kale04 Your teacher should read the specific advice at Wikipedia:Education program/Educators for the correct way to use Wikipedia as part of any course of learning. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

but some of our students don’t have problems with publishing. what should be in the article about a company? General information?

Thank you Kale04 (talk) 10:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

These are questions that you should be asking before you attempt to write a new article, and when not under the pressure of needing to complete an assignment. This is why it is a poor assignment. I might suggest that you use the new user tutorial. I can't explain why other students might be successful- and perhaps they aren't but have simply gotten further along than you. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Kale04 As to Draft:BirdDog as it exists on 29 April, refs 2, 3, 5 and 6 do not mention BirdDog and refs 4 & 7 appear to be press-release derived. As to what other students did, please provide Wikilinks to those articles so that experienced editors can evaluate and decide whether those deserve to be Speedy deleted or nominated for the AfD review process. David notMD (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:ORGDEPTH and coverage of organizations' reports/studies

I've been looking at some pages templated for WP:ADS and I'm finding a recurring theme of article references amounting to "a bunch of WP:SPS and a smattering of coverage articles like this [8] on Ramboll Environ or [9] on Campaign for Safe Cosmetics. My intinct is that these aren't significant coverage (they're using the org as a source, not a subject) but I 'm not confident in my interpretation of the guidelines. Ascelyn (talk) 17:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Srkrrkto 217.96.167.17 (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Is a bot created to red links everytime a template is deleted?

Recently, there is a successful resolution to delete template worldcat id. It will certainly create red links. So, is a bot created to red links everytime a template is deleted? రుద్రుడు (talk) 03:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Your last sentence and your subject line use English words but do not make sense in English.

The way to avoid red links is to go to the page that was (or will be) deleted, and select "What links here" from the tools. Then remove the link on all the main space pages listed. Anything not in main article space can be left alone. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist Then remove the link on all the main space pages listed. I have manually select {{Worldcat id}} and click remove link in "source code" mode (it adds nowiki tags)? Or delete {{Worldcat id}}. Deleting is easy if there are couple of hundreds. రుద్రుడు (talk) 07:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@రుద్రుడు: Here's what links to that template in article name space: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AWorldCat+id&namespace=0

Just remove that template from those articles. There aren't many. I'm sorry but your use of English is difficult to understand. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

How to get up a company page?

Hello! I just try to publish my employer page. We believe what we do is credible and important since we are trying to make a difference in the India radiology space. However, it was rejects since it read like an advertisement. What kind of words, phrases, and topics do I steer clear from to resolve the issue.

Surya Prodigi (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Reasons for rejection were outlined to you in detail. You appear not to have disclosed your conflict of interest per our terms of use. It is very difficult for someone with a COI to write an article in a neutral way. You will need to review the feedback and the associated policies linked on the feedback notice. You have listed one reference that is unreliable as a source. I do not think this company meets the notability guideline for companies and the draft is best not submitted again to avoid disappointment. I find it unlikely it will be accepted because it doesn’t meet notability guidelines. MaxnaCarta (talk) 08:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Surya Prodigi, your creation Draft:Prodigi.ai was blatant advertising, and I have deleted it as such. Please do not entertain the idea that you will ever create a draft that resembles it and will be accepted as an article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Surya Prodigi: Wikipedia does not care about whether your company thinks they do important work. It cares about whether reliable, independent sources have written about that in depth. So your first step, before writing anything, is to gather those sources - the books written about your company, the newspaper and magazine articles which talk about it in detail, etc. Then the article itself will summarize what those independent sources say about the company, not what you want to say about it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 19:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

how to put non-free movie posters in Wikipedia movie pages?

I wanted to change a poster of a movie article which may come under fair use. how to do it? Prosperitynationallibreal (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

How to put a non free movie poster in Wikipedia commons Prosperitynationallibreal (talk) 19:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Prosperitynationallibreal Hello and welcome. You don't, Commons only hosts free images. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Prosperitynationallibreal. Non-free images need to be uploaded here on English Wikipedia, not Wikimedia Commons. They must fully comply with all of the criteria for non-free images described at detail at WP:NFCI. Low resolution images of movie posters comply if used only in the article about the movie. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

"What links here"

Hello! I am reviewing Campaign for Safe Cosmetics and it's looking like it may not meet notability guidelines. Working through WP:BEFORE, am check [What links here] and it lists a bunch of pages that, to me, don't appear to link to this page. What am I missing? Ascelyn (talk) 06:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Ascelyn, Template:Consumer protection. Cabayi (talk) 06:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ascelyn. According to Help:What links here, that tool, in addition to straightforward Wikilinks, also displays redirects and transclusions. So, for example, if a navigation template somewhere includes that article, then any article that transcludes that template will show up in "What links here". Cullen328 (talk) 06:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Ascelyn: there is a template "Consumer protection" which includes "Campaign for Safe Cosmetics" in the "Organizations" section. I am not sure, but this may come about because it has Category:Consumer rights organizations specified. So every article which has that template at the end will link to your article. For example, see that section at the bottom of Consumer Reports.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Gronk Oz, adding a template may add a page to a category but not the other way around. The category is not the cause, the template is. And this template does not add any categories. Cabayi (talk) 07:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cabayi: Sorry, I was a bit clumsy how I expressed that. It was not clear to me how pages got added onto the list in that template, so I speculated (probably a bad idea). Now I look into it, I see that they were all added manually. This particular entry was added on 7 June 2018.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js produces Source links on Campaign for Safe Cosmetics. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

What to do when sources contradict each other?

At the article Turakit Boonratanathanakorn, this edit by another user brought to light a discrepancy whereby the article's listed sources contradict each other regarding the subject's birth month, with one stating March and another stating April, I have tagged the statements in question accordingly, what can or should be done about this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Spiritual Transcendence (talk) 13:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

My understanding is that if two sources contradict one another, and both sources are equally valid, you can simply state both claims in the article, cite both sources, and note that they differ. There's no harm in that if they really are both equally authoritative—it's not really our place as editors to try to settle that kind of discrepancy. Mesocarp (talk) 13:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Spiritual Trasncendence: In this case, when the discrepancy is about a birth date, I would simply omit the month and day, and just include the year. Having precision in that date isn't relevant to the topic. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:08, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

(Re-pinging @Spiritual Transcendence because the typo in User:Anachronist's ping means it'll have failed) AddWittyNameHere 21:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Please, help me to upload this image

Hello, please someone can upload this poster? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yt2MebbhcMz8qO_rylSAWsHG4J-ssqjJ/view?usp=sharing in the Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore article, this poster has the billing block 190.21.177.84 (talk) 22:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

When you say "help me to upload this image", it seems that you mean "do everything for me". How about you taking the trouble to get a username, to log in with this username, to make some edits over a few days, to reduce the size of the image, to upload it to Wikipedia, and to go through the "fair use" formalities? Of course, if you encounter a problem at some stage, you're welcome to ask here for advice on how to overcome the problem. -- Hoary (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Withdrawing AfC Submission

I've been working on a draft for the 2023 Premier Lacrosse League Season, I've previously had the page declined back in March due to it being too soon, since then, more information has become available and it is much more comparable to the previous season's articles when they were created. But, I realized today that autoconfirmed users do not need to go through the AfC process, so how do I withdraw a page from AfC review? I'll only publish the page once I withdraw this draft as to not waste reviewers time. Jsfxmn (talk) 04:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Jsfxmn, you could simply edit the "source" to remove from the top anything that's obviously "AFC"- or "draft"-specific. -- Hoary (talk) 04:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Alright thank you so much! Jsfxmn (talk) 04:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jsfxmn: I've been here for years, I'm an administrator, and even I use AFC occasionally to get feedback on a draft before putting it in article space. It's useful to have another set of eyes look at a draft before it's published. I'm in no hurry. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah that makes sense, will keep that in mind over the summer which is when I plan on becoming much more active on wikipedia. Jsfxmn (talk) 05:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Repeated references

Hello! I made a draft in which I included several references. However, these references have different information about the topic (which deserves to be placed in different paragraphs). Do I have to put each reference in the sentences that prove it, even if I repeat them, or do I just put the reference in the first sentence where it is supposed to be placed? Thank you. MountSnake87 (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@MountSnake87: As long as the references are exactly the same (no different page numbers or anything), you can use the procedure spelled out at WP:REFNAME, giving the reference a name at the first usage and then using <ref name=XXXX /> after other bits of info taken from that source. Deor (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello MountSnake87, I think there are two parts to your question. First, yes you should repeat the references. The idea is that a reader should be able to verify any content on Wikipedia using a reference at the end of the clause, sentence, or paragraph. Second, as Deor says, you can use named references to repeat the reference. For many sources this is sufficient. For longer works, like entire books or documentaries, you can use {{rp}} or {{sfn}} to cite multiple parts of the same source. If you run into any technical problems, feel free to post back here. Regards, Rjjiii (talk) 06:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Moving content between my user page and user TALK page

May I just 'cut and paste' or 'copy and paste' or is there more to it?

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Steue, the rules around "copy and paste" are to preserve attribution, to show who authored what. If you are copying your own content, there's no issue. I hope that helps, 06:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC) Rjjiii (talk) 06:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Rjjiii, and especially for the ping.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 06:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

And if it's not your own content, Steue, then moving it from your user talk page to your user page (or, conceivably, vice versa) is probably OK too. Just avoid doing anything with it that would result in its being (mis)read as something other than what was intended, and consider mentioning that it was moved. -- Hoary (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary

Got the concept.

My thoughts were re. the history and that it appears in there right. And whether it's enough to explain it in the edit summary, especially if it's a case where I don't want to let an explanation remain where I removed the content. I do will insert a mention of movement at the target. Probably nobody will miss it at the source place anyway.

Steue (talk) 07:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

When to remove "structural" OR?

On many articles, you can find long blocks of text that look like obvious original research: they're unsourced, relatively personal in tone, and aren't copied from any existing source as far as you can tell. Strictly speaking, you might say that you should remove such text and be done, because it's original research. However, the material may have some value—often it's written by someone with a background in the subject and may actually be correct in its main points even if it's written a bit roughly. In theory, what you would like to do in this case is to go and find sources that support it. But, often, the sources that are out there just tell a different story from what's in the article—they don't contradict the OR outright, but if the original editor(s) had started from them, they would have ended up with a different article.

A common example is the synopsis section for a relatively obscure academic book. You might find that our article on the book has a relatively detailed synopsis, a few paragraphs in length, obviously written by an editor who just read it and is sharing their thoughts on it directly. Wanting to source the synopsis, you go out and find that there are no reviews of it in the academic literature you can locate, and the publisher only has a sentence or two to say about it in summary. The book itself is clearly notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, because there's plenty of commentary on it in secondary sources, but these sources just assume familiarity with the work and don't summarize it. So, to source the synopsis, you would have to delete the valuable-but-OR information in place of almost nothing, even though the synopsis may be accurate considering only the primary source of the book itself.

Another place I see this frequently is in mathematics. There are lots of mathematics articles that have few or no sources, but are totally correct in terms of the bare facts they present. However, they don't follow a structure that seems to fit any of the existing textbooks on the subject—it seems more like one or more editors set out to write their own textbook chapter following their own personal ideas about the material. This makes it hard to source large parts of the article, strictly speaking, even if the published literature doesn't exactly contradict it anywhere.

Usually in these cases it seems too extreme to me to totally rewrite the OR material in order to make it supportable. You would really be throwing out a lot of "precedent" in terms of the article's structure and overall thrust. What's worse, it's not uncommon that the OR material is more thorough than anything you can find elsewhere even in the academic literature, so you would end up with a shorter and less useful article in pragmatic terms.

If you want to improve the article, how should you move forward in these cases? Can you? Often these articles seem to stay untouched for years, almost like every editor who comes by is just waiting for secondary sources to appear that they can use to support the article. Sometimes people complain on the talk page about the OR, but no one seems to actually do anything. The OR has a kind of paralyzing effect, because it's obviously worth something, but because it doesn't "jive" with what sources are available in structural terms, it's hard to even supplement it with sourced material and keep the flow of the article intact. I keep running into this situation in various places and I often just end up shrugging and moving on like everyone else, but it would be nice to actually do something. Mesocarp (talk) 11:36, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mesocarp: You can see how I handled this situation at Talk:Kwai_Chang_Caine#Original_research. Basically I removed the material, which I thought was quite good and well thought out but clearly original research, but I made sure it was preserved on the talk page in the event that sources could be found in the future to reinstate it. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:57, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that was a helpful example. Moving the text to the talk page does seem like a good approach in that situation. Mesocarp (talk) 01:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Mesocarp, when I think of a "synopsis" of a more or less academic book -- or indeed of a variety of other things, extending even to opera -- I think of something that is, or should be, neutral. If you and I both read the book The Shock of the Old (subject of an unusually feeble article) and independently write synopses of it, then your synopsis will differ from mine and we may well disagree in places, but with a bit of tugging forward and back we ought eventually to agree on a compromise synopsis. And then we could refer the reader to the book itself as the source of this synopsis. One of us may think of the book as a whole "There's nothing original here!", the other "At last: an exposé of technological revolutions' new clothes!"; but as long as we're writing the synopsis, we keep these thoughts to ourselves. In practice, it's harder, of course. Is the author's compressed (and arguably inadequate) treatment of this or that issue "concise" (generally a term of approbation) or is it "perfunctory" (the reverse)? If we agree that it's "short", then short by which standard? However, such problems are common to Wikipedia's summaries of anything, even summaries of others' summaries of books. A good summary, such as a good synopsis, isn't "obviously written by an editor who just read [the source] and is sharing their thoughts on it directly". -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

To my knowledge, moive plots not referenced, although there are length guidelines. David notMD (talk) 12:33, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

How to italicize

In footnote 1 of Angela Hewitt how do I italicize The Guardian? It is italicized in subsequent footnotes. I'd be grateful if another editor would do it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Maurice Magnus. The Guardian is listed using the |publisher= parameter for that particular citation, and the names of publishers aren't italicized when using that particular template. In the other citations, the paper is listed using the |work= parameter, and the names of works are italicized. All you need to do is change the parameter name from "publisher" to "work" for the first citation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't see "publisher." All I see is <ref name="Grdn"/> Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Please go to Edit source for n.1 to see what I see.Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus The citation occurred twice and the first instance had <ref name=Grdn/>. It was the later second instance that had the full citation, which I have now changed to use |work= instead of |publisher= You were trying to change the named ref, which led to an error. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

References

{(edit conflict) Please see WP:NAMEDREF. This reference is defind somewhere else in the article, and merely reused here. You will have to find the definition to modify the reference. It will look something like this (as visible when viewing this page) <ref name="Grdn">...</ref> Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Is a documentary considered reliable for a Wikipedia article?

Hi, I'm a newcomer here. I was writing my first article about a local event in my state and came across this documentary which interviewed people about the history of the city. I was wondering if the documentary is actually reliable or notable enough to be part of the article.

Here's the documentary: https://vimeo.com/487373472

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Reliable, no. They're just personal stories people are telling. I can tell you one about my family history and there's no way for you to know if I'm telling the truth unless you did some extensive research into my claims. However, the source could be used with attribution, making it clear that a claim is made by a person in an interview rather than stating something as fact in Wikipedia's voice. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

i have this in my mobile browser. is there a reason that it just showed up out of nowhere on my cell phone that seems to be connected to my phone and in return is connected to other persons phone and tjere making there self my recovery email

help please 2600:1003:B14B:F9CC:E9EF:D310:70EE:88D6 (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand what is written above. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Is this about Wikipedia? If not, you're probably better asking it at WP:RDC - but you'll need to be clearer about what you are asking. ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Original Research - Museum audio interviews - Sound Archives

I have a question about the guidelines barring original research.

The Imperial War Museum in the UK is an incredible source for British military history. They often record former British soldiers about their lives and publish the recordings on their website. They sit soldiers down, ask them questions about their military service, and then place the recordings in the Imperial War Museum Sound Archives (IWMSA). Many of these interviews are uploaded to the museum's website so anyone can learn from them.

If I were to cite one of these interviews, would I be violating wikipedia's guidelines on original research? These interviews are often used as primary sources by historians, but at the same time they are also published works presented by an authoritative source on British history. Could I treat them the same way I would treat a podcast interview? I would like to hear people's opinions on this. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Here is a link to the sound archive [10] The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

This is a really difficult one. I think I would be well-disposed towards their inclusion as external links when relevant to an article, but I am not sure I would like to use them as citations to support a fact, on the grounds that they are ultimately primary sources and individual experiences. We would normally expect to quote from a historian who has used those recordings, collated and commented on them. The link you've given is to a page where the museum explains that it has a wonderful resource of 34,000 such recordings, and used 32 in a special exhibition. In a sense, those 32 become secondary because they have been chosen and collated by the museum's experts, but otherwise these 34000 recordings are exhibits much as every other item in the museum is an exhibit, and it's not our business to say that elephants are grey because we've seen one in the zoo, it's our business to say they're grey because someone else has written that (based on their expert observations of elephants). But to draw attention to those recordings as a historical resource, in appropriate articles, does make sense. Elemimele (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thankyou [Elemimele], I am currently trying to have my article on Billy Strachan pumped up to Good Article status, and one of the criticisms was that I needed a greater variety of sources. Cheers for your opinions on this matter. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 18:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Longplays in Wikipedia

So let's say I was copyediting a Wikipedia page about a fairly obscure video game. There is footage of that game being played on YouTube. Should I put that video in the external links section?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 19:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTarantula. I would say almost certainly No, unless you have a strong reason to argue that it falls within WP:ELYES. What would it add to an encyclopaedic description of the game? Furthermore, unless the video was posted by the holder of the copyright in the game visuals, that YouTube video will be a copyright infringement, and Wikipedia must never link to thsse. ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Why article BFB got deleted?

BFB article was salted and deleted for a final time. Why was it deleted? And why it can’t be notable for the inclusion despite the popularity of the fan base? Thanks. —- 50.206.53.210 (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Is this about Blood for Blood? If not, what BFB is it about? Maproom (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I think it's the continuation of BFDI he's referring to. UpToTwentyHours (talk) 19:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh nevermind wrong article.

I mean battle for dream island. UpToTwentyHours (talk) 19:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

The OP is blocked and cannot respond here, but I too suspect this is about BFDI. @OP notability (at least in Wikipedia's definition) is not based upon the popularity (or lack thereof) of the fan base, it is based upon independent reliable sources containing significant coverage on the subject. For BFDI, there is consensus that there is an utter lack of such sources, which is why this topic is salted, under multiple different titles and listed at WP:DEEPER. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Janak Kotak

Is this page falls in Wikipedia:Notability guidline. Is mayor of a city the notable person. HCLTenda (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@HCLTenda: If the coverage of him in reliable sources is just routine, then no, he isn't notable. If no coverage can be found that meets Wikipedia:Golden Rule, then no, he isn't notable. That article would be a deletion candidate for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

FYI

 – Fixed wikilink above. GoingBatty (talk) 02:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Social media not being a reliable source

Please explain why social media is not a reliable source. Also, why can’t social media establish notability and qualification for a topic? How though? And may I cite it as a source for a new content? —- 50.206.53.210 (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Social media are not reliable sources because anyone can write whatever they like there. You should never cite social media for what people have said there. You may cite a social media site for the fact that someone has said something there, so long as it's clear that it's really that person who said it. Maproom (talk) 18:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@Maproom: Social media from a reputable news organization might be an exception (just like YouTube videos from a reputable news organization). GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

This article was protected for no reason

Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore was protected for no reason, some users wrote that the series is cancelled, which is true, and another users said that was vandalism or disruptive editing and reverted or undid the edits for no reason. It is completely official that the series is cancelled. These are some sources: [11]https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/11/11/fantastic-beasts-cancelled/ [12]https://bolavip.com/en/offside/fantastic-beasts-cancelled-why-did-warner-bros-decide-not-to-continue-with-the-franchise-20221104-0026.html [13]https://variety.com/2022/film/news/fantastic-beasts-fourth-fifth-movies-franchise-harry-potter-jk-rowling-1235432523/. 190.21.177.84 (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

hi ip users! please add an edit request to Talk:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore for this edit. the article was protected so that you go do that first (in addition so that you can explain your side and they can explain why they're reverting), instead of insisting on reverting and reverting. 💜  melecie  talk - 06:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

190.21.177.84 (talk · contribs · WHOIS): Please take Melecie's advice and make edit requests on the talk page. As explained on your talk pages again and again and again: the reason for the page protection (and on other Fantastic Beasts film pages) was due to behaviour like Deceptive edit summary while again changing billing block credits, again changing reference titles/headlines. This has been going on for months, using many Chile-based dynamic IPs, despite many warnings and some blocks. I've even shown your other IPs multiple edit differences from the pages' history as proof that you are doing this, and yet you still claim innocence. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

No reason is, unsurprisingly, incorrect. This article has been subjected to ongoing vandalism and disruptive editing, and the protection is appropriate. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

See this example edit difference. Read the edit summary and then scroll down the page and you will see many hidden additional changes (against consensus), after another user warned about edit warring. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

By the way, if you are on the spectrum – and I'm not saying you are – or if you have other difficulties, then allowances can be made to assist you. Thanks. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

As for the Pink News citation, this draws on Variety which was actually headlined "Is J.K. Rowling’s ‘Fantastic Beasts’ Franchise Dead at Warner Bros?" (a question, not proof of cancellation, as yet). It reads in part: "Given the lackluster reception to the three movies in existence, it may not be surprising that Warner Bros. has yet to definitively say whether the fourth and fifth “Fantastic Beasts” films will be completed as intended." Other editors have repeatedly reverted your changes (you claim "It is completely official that the series is cancelled.") because we are still awaiting confirmation. Thanks. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

One of my citations not appearing right

Hi guys, so on Numbers in Norse mythology the third Reference doesn't look right and cite correctly it shows the source. Idk why its only that. Any help is appreciated Chacabangaso (talk) 10:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Chacabangaso: It only had one closing brace, "}" not two. Should be fixed now, thanks. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Ty Chacabangaso (talk) 12:27, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

How to make multiple short citations based on a book

The article Way of the Celestial Masters has redundant citations. So does the article Chinese Surinamese.

I do not know how to use the Bibliography and create short citations in the References list. How is this done? GoutComplex (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

GoutComplex: see Help:References and page numbers for various ways you could do this. Maproom (talk) 12:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Article deleted

Why my article deleted even I'll provide all the necessary details on it The haul (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey was Speedy deleted for reasons given on your Talk page. SD G11: "This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion." David notMD (talk) 20:52, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, The haul. No draft that includes terrible, non-encyclopedic writing like He made his School proud and got popular in his city. this incident made him more passionate about sports meanwhile he also got a chance to play karate in Chandawak in 2009 and participated in many co-curricular activities but he also continued his main sport Kick Boxing at various District level most of them were really great matches will ever be accepted on this encyclopedia. There is nothing worth saving in that word salad. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

There is an article about Pandey, created years ago, at Wikitia. From the text above from your submittal to Wikipedia, it is clear that you copied content from Wikitia. I hazard a guess that this would be a copyright infringement, and thus another reason that what you submitted deserved its Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 13:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

User left a lot of personal information on talk page

Back in 2018, @David S. Young left a lot of personal info on Category talk:All stub articles, and it's just been sitting there ever since. I removed them, but maybe the diffs [[14][15]] need to be revdel'd? Maybeitsmir (talk) 18:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Maybeitsmir, welcome to the Teahouse. If you suspect something needs to be revdel'd, follow the instructions here. It's best not to post about such information in a very public forum like the Teahouse. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Wickipedia in Chile

Can my brother who lives in Chile gain access to Wickipedia Nodttiurp (talk) 21:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Nodttiurp, anyone can access Wikipedia from any location unless their internet blocks it. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:07, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Nodttiurp One tip, though! Your brother in Chile--or anybody else, anyWHERE else--would need to spell Wikipedia correctly in order to link to it. There is no "c" in "Wikipedia." I'm not looking to be pedantic (I do that often, but not in this instance); I'm explaining this in case you're writing because your brother in Chile had difficulty connecting it) Uporządnicki (talk) 14:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

New Wikipedia entry for google

Can someone help me create a new article so I can populate on google when my fan base searches for me on google? Prettierr (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

No, nobody here can. If you're intent on promoting yourself, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 22:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'll give some more information than the previous response. Wikipedia has a strong conflict of interest policy, meaning that you must declare conflicts on interest, and you cannot use Wikipedia as a form of promotion. If you gain enough notoriety that you merit an article on Wikipedia, it will be created by neutral editors and be written in a formal, balanced tone. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 01:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I will further add that Wikipedia has no interest in enhancing search results for you. The presence of a Wikipedia article is only one possible input into search results. 331dot (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

If you want to be indexed by search engines, maybe instead create a blog for yourself, at somewhere like Blogger or Wordpress. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Song Title

I am creating a page on the 1934 Cole Porter Song "Friendship": [16]. When I search "Friendship (song)", it redirects to: Friendship #Music. Looking at the other titles, I would imagine that this version is the most recognized over the others. I fear that placing "Friendship (1939 song)" or Frienship (Cole Porter song)" may not render searches by those simply typing in "Friendship" let alone "Friendship (song)"; since many users of WP are not familiar with the search engine requirements. Is there a way of titling this page "Friendship (song)" and placing a head for "for other uses" or "for other songs with the same title"? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 17:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Maineartists: I would say that given the other entries, "Friendship (Cole Porter song)" would be a good title, not "Friendship (song)". In the lead, btw, no need to have "Friendship (song)": just use the word "Friendship". See also WP:HAT for other songs uses. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Great. Thanks! Will do. Maineartists (talk) 17:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Maineartists: Maybe hold off until other editors here chime-in. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I think you're spot on considering how other song titles are handled here, such as: LOVE (song) ie "Love" (John Lennon song), "Love" (Lana Del Rey song), "Love" (Disney song), et al. None of which have WP:HAT. I've removed "Friendship (song)" in the lead. I think your advice is correct. Maineartists (talk) 17:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

The page is looking good. Some all caps in reference headlines. See MOS:ALLCAPS. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

My edit was declined

Hello dears... I added a paragraph to an energy related story on costs, and wa sasked for source, then I provided the link, then i was declined claimin gmy edit was promotional... Let me know how can I add the following: "Experience groundbreaking solar energy rates with Acwa Power's latest achievement in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The energy giant recently signed the power purchase agreement (PPA) for the world's most affordable solar tariff, an impressive $cents1.04 per kilowatt hour ($c/kWh). This game-changing tariff was achieved for the 600MW Fasiliyah PV independent power producer (IPP) project, the largest project under the second round of the kingdom's National Renewable Energy Programme (NREP). The PPA was inked with the Saudi Power Procurement Company (SPPC), the offtaker, on 8 April 2023, according to insiders closely involved in the project."

to the following Link/ article: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity#cite_note-4

Yahya.Hamidaddin (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

You can' t add it, it is blatant advertising, you are also edit warring which is likely to lead to a block. Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yahya.Hamidaddin: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. Imperative wording like Experience groundbreaking [...] and subjective qualifiers like an impressive [...] are blatant advertising, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. If you are adding neutral content that is reliably sourced, that is a different story. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

As clearly stated on your Talk page copyright material is forbidden, and anyway, the wording was clearly promotional. David notMD (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing properly sourced information

The user @Coachch45is removing credibly sourced information from Cedric Henderson article, claiming it gives undue weight. Wikimazing75 (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

It does give undue weight. Every other mention of coaching was record only. You make a point to monitor this page because of Your connection. Don’t you claim to be a Christian? Is that how God tells you to act? Elitebasketball23 (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

There has been more than two years of multi-editor feuding over content in Cedric Henderson (basketball, born 1975). A suggestion to Wikimazing75. Coachch45 and Elitebasketball23 hash this out on the Talk page of the article, not here. My own opinion is that his several months long stint as interim coach at a high school and a brouhaha about reasons for his resignation are not article-worthy content. i.e., undue weight. David notMD (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I have pageblocked all three editors. They are free to discuss things on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 21:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone upload this image?

Please, upload this image in The Flash, it is the most recent poster. https://web.facebook.com/WarnerBrosIndia/photos/pcb.10160957689778185/10160957687293185/ 190.21.177.84 (talk) 21:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

That's international poster, so let's keep the image for The Flash instead. LancedSoul (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Doing research for my first articles, but I have a concern...

Hi there! I've done a tremendous amount of research so far on some tornado-related articles (list pages that organize notable/significant tornadoes by path length, width, damages, and death tolls as well as a list page for tornadoes in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts) and I just realized something. I'm a bit concerned that someone else could post the same article or something very similar while I'm finishing this up, and all this work would be for nothing. Is there a way to hold a place for these articles? I presume that the likely solution would be that I create these articles with what I've done so far and include a message that this is an article in progress. I'm not sure how this works, so any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you! Dym75 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dym75: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. There's always a chance someone could be doing the same thing as you, but I find the best way to mitigate that chance is to do it in draftspace. The Articles for Creation wizard can help you start a draft in that area. Just make sure to put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft when you're absolutely sure you're ready. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for responding to this. I look forward to being able to jump into the Articles for Creation wizard very soon. Dym75 (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

You could also put a note on WT:WikiProject Weather that you were doing this. There is no guarantee that other people working in that area would look there, but they might. ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

From looking at your edit history, you have a lot of experience editing tornado articles and tornado list articles, so my opinion is create the article(s) you have in mind in mainspace and on the Talk page state that as created on ____ date this is a work in progess that you intend to continue. As long as what is in the article is adequately referenced you should be OK. An unlikely scenario is that New Pages Patrol will turf it over to a draft. Do keep in mind that an article in mainspace is not "owned", so you may see other editors editing. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm guessing that the "mainspace" refers to Wikipedia in general? Or is there a special page/section/something where that lives? (And thank you for responding to my question. Appreciate it.) Dym75 (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I've done exactly that. Thank you! Dym75 (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Dym75, "mainspace" refers to the public facing part of Wikipedia, namely the encyclopedia articles. There are many other spaces for article talk pages, user pages, user talk pages, sandboxes, drafts, templates, help pages, essays, policy pages and administrative pages. Read WP:MAINSPACE for more details. Cullen328 (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Richard Russo

Book list on his bio includes the Human Stain, which is actually written by Philip Roth 2601:195:C380:5330:54C7:F511:9993:962A (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

This is true, but Russo's article doesn't list it. You maybe misread something? Herostratus (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Template search

Where do I go to request a change to Wikipedia search. Specifically, making it so you can search for a template by Surrounding it with {{}} as you do on to insert it on a wikipedia article. Instead of Template: Thanks PalauanReich^🗣️ 22:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Before you make a request, PalauanReich, you refine and perfect the proposal, at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). -- Hoary (talk) 22:59, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thx PalauanReich^🗣️ 00:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Note that what you are requesting is a change to the Mediawiki software - few of the people who frequent this page have any involvement in specifying or developing the software.

FWIW, I would find this useful, but I've no idea how difficult it would be to implement, or what problems it may cause elsewhere. ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich: A namespace alias for the template namespace would be more realistic if the goal is to save typing. See Wikipedia:Namespace#Aliases for existing aliases. "T" could also have meant Talk and would prevent article names and redirects starting with "T:". Most of Special:PrefixIndex/T: is template redirects but there is also some mainspace stuff. See Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Create shortcut namespace aliases for various namespaces and Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 112#RFC: On the controversy of the pseudo-namespace shortcuts. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I filed that as a technical feature-request T185126 five years ago. I don't know if Alexis Jazz's Javascript implementation (User:Alexis Jazz/CurlyTemplateSearch.js) works in V2022 skin. DMacks (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

DMacks, according to my own code comments it doesn't. Search in Vector-2022 and Minerva works a bit different, it's more locked down. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete a sub page

How to delete a sub page . Joystickdwag (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@Joystickdwag Assuming it is one of your own subpages, the instructions are at WP:U1. It involves placing a template on the page, as only an admin can actually do the deletion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I deleted it. But what you did was literally place "WP:U1" on it, not read WP:U1 for instrutions. Following the instruction there automatically raises your page on admin boards for action, whereas I just happened to be browsing TEAHOUSE and followed up from here. DMacks (talk) 04:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Alerting other editors that some work is needed on an article

From time to time I have come across suggestions for informing “passing editors“ of something when I am unable to deal with it myself. I never used it and didn’t pay attention. Now, I’ve collected some information which should be added to three articles, yet it is a bigger job than I can handle. So how do I get the word out? Humphrey Tribble (talk) 06:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Humphrey Tribble, could you link the articles here? The answer may depend on the subject matter. If there is an active project for the article's topic that is usually the best way. Rjjiii (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I have posted a summary of the information on the Talk page of “Scalping” under the heading Franklin’s propaganda letter: https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Scalping#Franklin’s_propaganda_letter Humphrey Tribble (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I would try posting that same link to these two wikiproject discussion pages:

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America

And on the talk page where you started the thread, I would suggested pinging the top few contributors to the article if no one responds in a day or so. Per "Tools > Page information > Revision history statistics" they would be:

• Tobby72
• UpdateNerd
• James809

To ping users on the talk page you can use the {{u}} template in any post where you sign your name. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 09:18, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Request for feedback on article neutrality

Hello everyone,

I recently wrote an article about Davinder Pal Singh. I have a conflict of interest and have disclosed this on the article's talk page and added the COI template as per Wikipedia's guidelines. Before submitting the article for review, I would like to request feedback from fellow editors on the neutrality of the article. I have made revisions to ensure a neutral tone and proper citation of all information.

Here is the link to the draft: Draft:Davinder Pal Singh

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or feedback you might have to improve the neutrality and overall quality of the article. I am eager to learn and improve as a Wikipedia editor and will gladly make any necessary changes based on your input.

Thank you in advance for your help and guidance.

Best regards, AmitojSingh1 (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

AmitojSingh1, you need to decide whether your draft is about Singh, or about the PDL; and then stick largely to that one subject. Writing an encycloperia article is not like writing a newspaper article, where the journalist can switch from one subject to another if they wish. (My impression is that the PDL is more likely to satisfy Wikipedia standar of notability.)   Maproom (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello AmitojSingh1,

As AngusWOOF says, the material in your draft would be better placed in the Panjab Digital Library article. Wikipedia's stanadard for notability is generally 3 reliable, secondary sources that directly discuss the topic (for more info: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability ). If more stories come out about Davinder Pal Singh or you discover more sources, the article can still be created at a future date.

Also, on an unrelated note, when removing old talk page discussions ( http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk:Davinder_Pal_Singh&oldid=1152739706 ) it's standard practice to "archive" them on an archive page. Feel free to ask here if you ever need help with that.

Regards, Rjjiii (talk) 06:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that content about Singh would be better placed in a History section in the Library article. David notMD (talk) 10:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Advice/Feedback Before I Submit for Review (brand new)

Hi, I have declared my Conflict Of Interest for the following page that I have just finished:

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:William_Graif

In general, I am seeking feedback, edits, etc before I submit it. I am brand new to Wikipedia editing. Thank you so much! Binchy10 (talk) 06:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

A few quick thoughts Binchy10:

• There are 2 excellent essays for new editors creating articles, the brief WP:BACKWARD and the comprehensive WP:FIRST
• You should make a final section for your sources. You can repeat a source using named references. For unused parameters, you can just delete them; I see many refs contain what looks like "dummy" text like TEST. Refer to Wikipedia:Citing sources for details.
• One line between paragraph.
• You should also post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess to get some more specific guidance.

Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 07:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Suggest you explain the nature of your COI on your Talk page. Could be as vague as stating that you have a personal connection to Graif. David notMD (talk) 10:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Clarification on Reliable sources

I just need to ask a quick question about reliable sources, specifically the usage of primary sources. Would it be ok, if at all, to include a citation to a primary source, specifically a blog post, for something small like a sentence mentioning an update, if there are no reliable secondary sources available? LordEnma8 (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@LordEnma8: You have already asked this question and received an answer at the help desk. Please don't ask the same question in multiple different places. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Also this. Sergecross73 msg me 14:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARY. You may use them for basic, simple, objective facts about a subject. Third party accounts are preferred, and commonly used as a metric for whether or not content is worthy of inclusion. (If no third parties documented it, often Wikipedia does not either.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Fix massive amount of wikilinks

I just closed an RM on talk:Daisy Jones & the Six, and now I have to fix all the wikilinks and redirects. Unfortunately, I'll die of old age if I do all of them manually. Is there a way to automate this? 〜 Festucalex • talk 10:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

You don't have to "fix" them all, but you should fix those in navigation templates. DuncanHill (talk) 10:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I've just done the Amazon Prime template which is responsible for most of the incoming links, and I've done the double redirects too (there is a bot that does this, but sometimes it forgets). DuncanHill (talk) 10:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

While DuncanHill is right that you don't need to "fix" them all, if you are unwiling to perform the necessary matienence after closing a requested move, you should not be performing the move. Esolo5002 (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I'm perfectly willing. Not the first time I've moved a page. However, I was taken by surprise at the sheer amount of wikilinks and wondered if it can't be automated. If it can't, I'll do it manually, may God rest my soul. 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

"Thank you Duncan for fixing all the ones that needed to be fixed, and coming here to tell me about it". Don't mention it. Oh, you haven't. DuncanHill (talk) 14:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Duncan for fixing all the ones that needed to be fixed, and coming here to tell me about it. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Help!

Hey! I need help, it happens that there are times that wikipedia is normal for cell phones and there are times that there are pages that wikipedia is like in a computer version without me activating it "for computer" from Chrome this all started when I resubmitted a draft can someone help me just leave normal wikipedia in mobile version without some articles in computer version? LeronJomes (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LeronJomes, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, I have no idea what you mean by "wikipedia is like ion a computer version". In any case, problems with the user interface of Wikipedia are more likely to get answered at VPT than here. ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

it happens that I use a cell phone but when I edited a draft and sent it back it appeared that to publish a draft I need to turn in computer version LeronJomes (talk) 18:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

[Not an answer, but] do you mean it switched you from mobile to desktop versions. See Wikipedia:Enable mobile version? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

yes, there are times when the article is in the mobile version and there are times when it is in the desktop version and thank you very much LeronJomes (talk) 17:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Now yes the version is only in mobile version LeronJomes (talk) 17:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Glad it's fixed for you, LeronJomes. Don't forget, there's a link to "mobile view" at the page bottom. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Introduction

Excited to start contributing! Spring Peony (talk) 15:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Spring Peony, welcome to the Teahouse. If you have any questions about using or editing Wikipedia, feel free to ask them here! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Spring Peony In your first effort at an article (Draft:Briony Douglas), a person's own website should not be used except for simple facts such as where residing, and does not contribute to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clarifying! Spring Peony (talk) 20:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you re-feature a Wikipedia article?

Hi! Dialuanny0 here! I have a question: Are you able to feature a Wikipedia article that has already been featured before? If so, how? Dialuanny0 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dialuanny0: According to Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests, most of the Featured Articles on the Main Page will be those that have not been there before. However, there are up to two slots per week that can be used for a previously featured article, as long as it has been at least five years since the previous appearance. RudolfRed (talk) 23:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay! Thank you! Dialuanny0 (talk) 03:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft for Review: Rica Cruz

Hello! I got a bit confused because there was no notification after I published my draft article. To be clear, is it already up for review? Here's the link to my draft. Draft:Rica Cruz - Wikipedia TheBandShirleyFan (talk) 06:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, what appears to have happened is that you added the template in Visual Editor, which meant it treated it as normal text rather than wikitext. To fix this, remove the template that didn't work and add it back after changing to Source Editor. I would fix this myself, but this would mean it would treat me as the article creator rather than you. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 07:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for the help. I've already done as you said. Can I have it checked if it's already in line for the review? TheBandShirleyFan (talk) 08:46, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheBandShirleyFan, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you look at the draft now, there is a big yellow box that says "Review waiting, please be patient." ColinFine (talk) 09:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

First party sources, from parties engaged in an agreement with the article subject, to verify claims.

Hello! Im not a new user but I was hoping to ask a question here.

I have never had a mind for sourcing policy, and I recently had a scenario I wasnt entirely sure of. Im not very good at remembering when what sources can be used, so I wanted to ask; If party A claims to associate with party B, would a first party source (EG party B's website) be a valid source to verify that claim, or would the claim need a source from an uninvolved party? Googleguy007 (talk) 15:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

My assumption for this would be that party B's first party source could be used to verify the relationship itself, but not the specifics of the relationship, but I may be getting aspects of verifability and notability guidelines mixxed up there :p. Googleguy007 (talk) 15:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Googleguy007 What if party B is not telling the truth? Maybe both have a reason to claim that they associate, when they don't. That's why we sometimes mention sources with "a reputation for fact-checking and error correction". David10244 (talk) 09:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding No Citation Temple

If I found an article having zero reference or citation and if I add one or two reliable Reference then should I remove or not the template, saying that this article does not have any source. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but consider replacing {{Unreferenced}} with {{Refimprove}} if not everything is referenced. Mjroots (talk) 10:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 10:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

McGhee Tyson Airport FAA diagram update

Hello. I cant seem to download the diagram on my computer. Can you update the FAA diagram in the infobox of TYS Airport as found in the external links? This is the most recent diagram. Help is much appreciated. Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 00:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531: Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to ask would be the article's talk page: Talk:McGhee Tyson Airport. It would also be helpful if you could please provide a link to the most recent diagram. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The link to the most recent FAA diagram (4/20-5/18/2023) for TYS is: [17]

Hope this helps. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Mill Valley article

I know most people monitoring the Teahouse probably aren't very specialized in pop music and similar topics, but this is kind of a half-assed answer to a reasonable question, and some additional perspective(s) would be greatly appreciated. (Previous messages were in the summaries in the edit history for the article) TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Trevortnidesserped, welcome to the Teahouse. Beware of canvassing. If you need more participants in a discussion, there are lists of possible venues here and here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Trevortnidesserped. So the page has been turned into a redirect. The editor who reverted you and again made it a redirect left the following edit summary: Restoring revision ... That's not how it works. You must provide in-depth coverage to show it meets GNG (General notability guideline), which this is lacking. In addition, re-adding unsourced information is a violation of WP:VERIFY, and as per WP:BURDEN, re-adding it is considered disruptive editing.

Well, certainly in parts it needs more independent, secondary reliable sources that give significant mention to the subject, and there's one section "Composition" that is completely unsourced (or is that handled in the same way that "Premise" or "Plot" is dealt with in novels, without needing to be sourced?). Any significant facts need to be backed up by citations. See also Notability (music).

And obviously the article should be written to reflect the content of sources, not the other way around.

I haven't looked into the actual content of the citations, but as a rule of thumb, as a minimum you need maybe 3 strong references to establish notability for a short article; obviously more for longer content. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:01, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Link bypassing redirect. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric, the redirect has already been re-removed by Sungodtemple. See talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Will have a look. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

(Initially in response to Esowteric) Thanks for your assistance. I don't know about you, but Billboard magazine, Rolling Stone magazine, Life magazine, Record World AND AllMusic...there are at least 3 strong references within that cluster, if not all of them — and that's in addition to all the other citations which include a few published books, one of which by Joel Whitburn. I was in the middle of writing this message when I realized the page is back to normal, but I'm leaving this here in the event of further debate. Thanks again. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 18:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think you have a strong case, though the editor may take it to WP:AfD. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:ALLMUSIC is not agreed to be a reliable source. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, @Trevortnidesserped, so as well as earlier inserting a tag for "needs additional citations for verification", even though they've deleted the only unsourced section, though the short "Background" section relies on just one citation, the editor has now added a tag to the effect that "this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline" but not (at least yet) taken it to AfD. If you can come up with more references, fine (and double check your use of existing references), but consider calmly replying on the article's talk page, stating your case, and questioning the editor's tags. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, consider wikilinking the work/publisher in your refs. Some editors are less likely to casually dismiss such refs. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Trevortnidesserped, I've done a bit of minor work on the article: found another ref, added and wikilinked works/publishers; marked one short paragraph as having a self-published source (iUniverse), so that brief review needs removing. Of course edit or remove my edits as you see fit. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 21:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Found another reliable, though minor, ref. Also removed review snippets originally from Time and Rolling Stone which were indirectly references. You (or a willing editor with library access) need to obtain and work on the originals. Have found another referenced way to mention the two publications, though not ideal. Have also more explicitly asserted notability in the lede. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:34, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorted. Better take my meds now and chill for a while. :) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:46, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding moving a page from draft to article

Should I move or not a draft into Mainspace by bypassing afc process ,if article is notable and cited with reliable sources. Because it takes 3 or more month for approval of a draft. I am only and only talking about article on a village and on a medical College. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 10:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

EncyclopediaEagle, your premise is wrong. It's not true that it takes three or more months for a draft to be approved. Yes, this can happen. It doesn't necessarily happen. Additionally, vanishingly few articles are notable. (An exception is the article on John Seigenthaler, which became notorious for unfortunate reasons.) I think it's better not to bypass AFC until you find reviewers complementing you on your drafts and suggesting that you bypass AFC. -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Given you have only had an account for four days, and have now created two drafts, but have no track record for having AfC's approved, I strongly recommend continuing with AfC. Skipping AfC runs the risk that when the article gets looked at by New Pages Patrol it could be flipped to draft, or more severe, nominated for deletion (or even Speedy deleted). David notMD (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaEagle All new articles have to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements and that's the usual challenge for new editors since the sources quoted need to demonstrate that they do so using sources which meet the golden rules. There is a big difference between drafts relating to villages and those relating to colleges, however. By community consensus described at WP:GEOLAND, virtually any inhabited place is assumed to be notable, whereas institutions like colleges have to meet WP:NCORP, which in practice is a much more difficult to establish. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I triggered filter 891 twice today

I'm sorry. (my filter log, diff) SilverMatsu (talk) 00:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

It's alright. Say three Hail Mary's and try not to do it again. Seriously tho, don't overly worry. You can't learn if you don't make mistakes. There're people here to fix mistakes. Good intent is the main thing. Herostratus (talk) 06:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ! I felt much better after I talked to you. I promise I will never do something like that ever again. --SilverMatsu (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean, you might, and so? I've been here since the Carter Administration and I still do stuff like this. There's plenty people whose role is making things like this right, and with no resentment. Carry on and fear no evil. Herostratus (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

my name is not important

i plan on "changing" some images soon, now that i got a functional camera, so just in case i get into a case like this

say a (very fictional) truck enthusiast and professional shitposter named mark rex regis finds his own article. it's neutral enough, covers his career accurately, from the good things he did to the cringe he posted in #general. but he sees his picutre, from the 2013 piratecon, and makes his own wp account (complete with coi notice) to complain about that picture's quality being "not $wag money". the other users agree, and he goes off to get a better one

after a few legal hoops to get a good one (from the 2019 piratecon) in public domain, the picture is uploaded to commons and added to his article... except his Dumb Ass forgot to rename it to something that wasn't "fart sex penis.jpeg.gif.spr.png"

from that point, does he or someone else just rename it to something normal or is there something more to it? worst case scenarios, from what i know, would be him getting a warning or the whole thing being shut down from the moment he posted the original complaint on his article's talk page cogsan (talk) 17:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san: This question would be better for commons, however the answer is that yes the file can be renamed on commons (in fact I believe this is one of the many reasons you would do so). The user would still most likely be warned for doing so and advised to be more careful in the future, but the file can be renamed. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

danke

it's a good thing a mistake like this probably wouldn't be as impactful on an article about southwestern food cogsan (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Review Draft: İlyas İlbey

I created a thread before asking for help in this area. I rearranged the draft. I have edited the categories. But I guess you are using wiki tools and I don't have that. There was a category that I couldn't delete. I can't see this category in the source code of the draft. Could you please review the page again?

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:%C4%B0lyas_%C4%B0lbey Coshua23 (talk) 19:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it's sorted (after clicking on "edit" / source mode). See this diff. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, @GoingBatty helped me. Do I now have to wait for the draft page to be transferred? When will the review process be completed? Coshua23 (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Coshua23, your draft has been submitted for review. As the banner says, Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. Since all of your sources are in Turkish, it will probably take longer than average. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Assistance please in contributing a source

I would be grateful for some friendly guidance. I do not have an account and, as an elderly stroke survivor with some brain damage, do not think I need one. However, I have just seen a 'citation needed' gap which I think I can fill. Would someone please just take the information and consider putting it in for me?

The gap is in the section on Georges Sorel's ideas on Marxism - second line where the word 'decadence' is used. I suggest that Hannah Arendt may be appropriate - see much of her essay 'On Violence' (1969) Harvest. But it's the word 'decadence' that bothers me. It's an excellent word but I wonder if readers will reliably grasp the lack of vigour and actually feel the intellectual cobwebs that the drafter of the original piece intends. If my proposal of Hannah Arendt found favour, I would suggest re-writing that sentence as: "Sorel is thought by some (for example, Hannah Arendt) as being inclined to grandiose statement and perhaps not that exciting."

I am sorry if I seem to be ducking responsibility but I do not have the mental strength to search for other sources or supports for my suggestion. 78.19.165.58 (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. All articles have talk pages, which is the place to discuss or suggest improvements to an article. The talk page for Georges Sorel is at Talk:Georges Sorel. If you post your suggestion there, someone may come along and decide to incorporate it into the article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Tacking on to the IP editor's answer above, if you make an edit request at Talk:Georges Sorel, the chances of your suggestion being seen drastically increases. As Wikipedia is volunteer-driven doing the aforementioned will catch the attention of someone who's interested in fulfilling edit requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

helpful 82.27.182.113 (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

erasing info

Is it true that you can pay Wikipedia to erase things on your page, as alluded to in this article? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vivek-ramaswamy-wikipedia-editor_n_6452957de4b029f56a146123 Napperd22 (talk) 00:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Editors are volunteers, i.e., not employees. Some editors accept payment to edit; they are supposed to declare their paid status on their User page. What happened in that example is a person was paid to remove content from an article. It is VERY possible that the content was true and properly referenced, meaning that a different editor may decide to revert (reverse) the deleted content edit. David notMD (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

The article doesn't allude to this. It says that a particular editor was paid to remove content. The article points to that editor's user page, where he says that Vivek Ramaswamy paid him to edit. Somewhere in this set of edits, "his studies were supported by a postgraduate fellowship awarded to him by [[The Paul & Daisy Soros Fellowships for New Americans]].<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2015/09/09/the-30-year-old-ceo-conjuring-drug-companies-from-thin-air/|title=The 30-Year-Old CEO Conjuring Drug Companies From Thin Air|first=Nathan|last=Vardi|website=Forbes}}</ref>" was removed. At least in its current state, the cited source doesn't contain the string "soros". (However, see this.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox on user page

Can I use infobox Wikipedia user on my user page because Wikipedia policy states that There is no requirement for an infobox or a particular layout, and users should not feel compelled to use them. According to me This means that while infoboxes are allowed on user pages, they are not mandatory, and users are free to present their information in any way they prefer. The policy emphasizes that the purpose of user pages is to provide information about the user's activities on Wikipedia, and that the information should be relevant and in line with Wikipedia's content policies. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 02:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I am the person who suggested you not use an Infobox on your User page, and I am of the opinion that neither your blood type nor your marital status relate to your intentions as an editor. I am curious as to what other Teahosue hosts might say about Infoboxing a User page. David notMD (talk) 03:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this ,i have successfully removed my blood group and marital status. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 03:24, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

(Not a host, just someone who wanders in and out of the Teahouse from time to time)

I'd say the benchmark is mostly "would this be out of place on a user page if it was in prose and/or userboxes rather than an infobox?".

If it's fine to have there in prose, formatting it into an infobox makes little enough difference in most situations. Similarly, if it would be a blatant no-go in prose, it obviously also wouldn't fly in an infobox.

(It does somewhat increase the userpage's visual resemblance to an actual article, though, so some extra caution is warranted to ensure the user page doesn't end up looking like an attempt at self-promotion, nor otherwise comes across as deceptive) AddWittyNameHere 03:43, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I note that an infobox template specifically for user pages does exist. Personally, I don't see a problem with it considering that many users have an obscene amount of user boxes with obscure information about themselves such as political affiliation, etc. ShaveKongo (talk) 03:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

For an editor to specify their blood group (whether via userbox or plain text) would have no practical application and might suggest that the editor was sufficiently uninformed, credulous or thick-witted to fall for this silliness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Trying to add tags to a page but closest one is listed as inactive

I am trying to add tags to Draft:Lion Club and I'm not exactly sure what to include, because the Fraternities and Sororities project is active but not exactly on point, and the Secret Societies project is inactive. Any ideas? Hgallo9 (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hgallo9, when you talk of adding tags to a draft, do you mean adding project templates to its talk page? If yes you do, I wouldn't worry about the matter. If no you don't, then what do you mean? -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Translation of an article form Serbian Wikipedia to English Wikipedia

Hello,

I recently started translating 2 Wikipedia articles from Serbian to English. I used the add language/translate page option in the top right corner of the page. I have managed to translate the page but I can only publish it as a personal or community draft. I want to publish it as an article that can be linked to the original article form Serbian Wikipedia. The site provides a reason to why I can not publish it as a New Page as lack of experience in editing and translating. Is there a way to go around this restriction and get my translation published?

Thanks in advance Juan Carlos Topić (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC) Juan Carlos Topić

Hello, Juan Carlos Topić. You can submit Draft:Constitution of Serbia from 1869. for review via the WP:AFC process whenever you think it is ready (I have added the appropriate template for that). The topic is almost certainly notable, however there are are a couple of points that you would do well to correct before submitting:

1. There are many typos. The dot in the article title will be taken care of by the reviewer, but the lead breaks paragraph in the middle of a sentence (the constitution was in force in two periods, 1869-1888. (line break) and 1894-1901)
2. There are many external links in the body of the article - generally those should be transformed into references, see WP:ELNO
3. The infobox is broken. I suppose you copy-pasted the image links from Serbian Wikipedia. Images uploaded locally to Serbian Wikipedia cannot be accessed from English Wikipedia. Check if you can transfer the image to Wikimedia Commons (where it is accessible to all Wikipedias) - see WP:TOCOMMONS.
4. In my opinion, the draft is extremely long, which makes it very arduous to read, especially without any images. But that might be a matter of taste (and at any rate the lead paragraph is sufficiently condensed to satisfy most readers).

If you correct #1 and #2, I believe the draft will be swiftly accepted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

ClueBot III archived current talk page discussion

ClueBot III archived a Talk:Steyr AUG current discussion. I reverted Talk:Steyr AUG. It also created Talk:Steyr AUG/Archives/2023/May. I have changed ClueBot III parameter setting from age=1 hour to age=2160 hours. I am not sure what to do with Talk:Steyr AUG/Archives/2023/May. Melbguy05 (talk) 03:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Disregard above, I changed archiving bot to lowercase sigmabot III and requested speedy delete of ClueBot III subpages. Melbguy05 (talk) 13:04, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Access to Time and Rolling Stone archives?

I could do with access to Time and Rolling Stone archives, and I notice (for instance) that New York Public Library has these archives, though I don't know if they're available in digitised form online. I'm based in the UK, and not in physical reach of any major libraries.

Could someone point me in the right general direction to gain access – or, more generally, access to somewhere like the British Library – please?

Thanks a lot, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric Not that it will give you anything close to full access, but do you know about WP:RX? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric I think you qualify to join The Wikpedia Library, which gives access to many databases including these magazines. alternatively, if you know exactly which issue you want, you can ask someone to email you a copy via a resource request. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Mike Turnbull – I'll check out The Wikipedia Library. I think my research will involve a lot of digging, so maybe not resource requests. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I remove pulmonary edemas?

Thank you! Nintendofollower (talk) 21:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Nintendofollower, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid we can't help you with that. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nintendofollower. As pointed out above, your question goes beyond the scope of the Wikipedia Teahouse. Moreover, I would be careful with respect to any information you find regarding this on Wikipedia or anywhere else on the Internet for the reasons given in Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. Your best bet when dealing with anything health related is to seek guidance from a health care professional. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

None of us here are doctors. If we are, we still cannot help you as we are not your doctor and cannot provide medical advice for you specifically. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

how to format a reference, so that its title but not url is shown?

[7:13:53 AM] <WalterTau> hello, I need with formatting a reference in http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ariosa_v._Sequenom [7:14:16 AM] <WalterTau> In the sentence:   Background [7:14:16 AM] <WalterTau> Sequenom is the exclusive licensee of U.S. Patent No. 6,258,540, which claims priority to https://patents.google.com/patent/GB9704444D0 filed on 1997-03-04 by Oxford University Innovation Ltd. [7:15:28 AM] <WalterTau> I would like to show on the webpage the text "GB9704444D0 " as a link to google patents Walter Tau (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Walter Tau We don't put external links like that within the body text of articles (see WP:ELNO). In this case, you just want to verify in a citation that one patent claims priority to another, using the relevant primary source. The citation template {{cite patent}} for US6258540 is all that will be required, since it gives automatic links within the reference section to the Espacenet database which has the relevant information. I'll edit the article in a moment to include what I think is needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Regarding patents, see Mike Turnbull's answer above. Generally:

This is how to link to an article, by the way: [[Ariosa v. Sequenom]]. And to sign a comment, type ~~~~ at the end.

You're trying to create an external link, but really you do not want external links in the body of an article. This is is how [https:/www.etc.com/ Text].

You really want to use citations. The simplest reference is a bare URL, like so: <ref>https:/www.etc.com/</ref>, but they suffer from "link rot" as pages are moved or deleted over time, and there's little indication of what to search for online.

Better still, you want to use full citations. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Help:Referencing for beginners is a good place to start learning how to format references. --Jayron32 14:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Are there ever Wiki editor meetings online?

Does Wikipedia ever offer online meetings for its editors, at which news, tips, and trending issues are shared that relate to Wiki editing? Augnablik (talk) 01:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik Yes. Please see WP:MEET for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

While they aren’t really meetings, we have a Wikipedia IRC chat and a discord. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

IRC good Lord. What is their TeleType address. My idea is to set up a space in like 2nd Life or Habbo Hotel or whatever they have now like that. But I suppose that's silly. Herostratus (talk) 17:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

To be fair, Discord is just hard to work with in my opinion. There's not a lot you can do, and the bots you can use are either hard to work with, or trying to sell you their NFT scam *cough* mee6. I'd rather use Guilded due to its built-in swiss army knife style.

Furthermore, as a user who mainly edits at a school, most IRC clients go through our firewall, unlike Discord. Explodicator7331 (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikitia

Can editors link wikitia to wikipedia? I'm having trouble with it. Lord Milner (talk) 14:24, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you referring to adding a link to Wikipedia from Fandom (the new name of Wikia Unless Wikitia is a different thing) or adding a link to Fandom from Wikipedia? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikitia is a different project altogether, completely unrelated to Wikipedia, so there's no method of linking there like there is for Wiktionary, etc. Is there a reason you wanted to link there? Valereee (talk) 14:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I created the wikipedia page "Milner's Kindergarten", and I'm trying to create an internal link to the name "Peter Perry (Colonialist)" (found in 'Work in South Africa/Pre-Reconstruction, 2nd line'). However, his info only shows up on wikitia. Should the page be recreated on wikipedia for the purpose? (I tried linking to the wikitia site with this post, & my edit was not saved because wikitia is blacklisted by wikipedia). Lord Milner (talk) 14:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

All they did was copy your draft from 2021 (Draft:Peter Perry (Colonialist)), which was later deleted because it hadn't been edited for six months. If you'd like to work on the draft again, you can request undeletion at WP:REFUND/G13, or you can leave his name unlinked in the article, but there is zero reason to ever link to Wikitia because everything on there is user-generated and not reliable, and in fact much more spammy than Wikipedia as the threshold for inclusion is basically zero. DanCherek (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow. That was my work? Genius's at play. How did you know that? 😀 Lord Milner (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikitia requires a subscription, and it is purported to be of higher quality thank wikipedia. Any truth to that? Lord Milner (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

We'd have to see a reliable source saying so. Valereee (talk) 14:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Could Wikitia dot com be on the spam blacklist? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok this is driving me crazy. Is Wikitia related at all to Fandom/Wikia or are they 2 completely different things? Cause I swear Wikia used to be called Wikitia for a while...but maybe I'm going crazy. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikitia is unconnected to Fandom(2016-)/Wikia(2006-2016)/Wikicities(2004-2006). – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 14:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Fandom is now what was once called Wikia, originally with Jimbo involved. There is still a type of link that works via Interwiki mapping (see meta:Interwiki map at the top of that page) allowing links to Fandom articles that look a lot like standard wikilinks. So, for example, I can use Wikia:mario:The Super Mario Bros. Movie to give a link that would alternatively go via this URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Wikitia is on the spam blacklist (MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist) because it's a paid-editing site that copies from Wikipedia draftspace. DanCherek (talk) 14:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

It sure is lol... Valereee (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

signing a citation needed

I am adding a citation needed tag, and i wanted to know if i should add four tildes to the end of the reason hover text. Derpyhoi (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, what's a userbox? Derpyhoi (talk) 15:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Derpyhoi: Welcome. No, you don't sign anything that you add to an article. You only sign on talk pages and pages like the Teahouse. Userboxes are something you can add to your userpage to tell a little bit about yourself. See WP:USERBOX for more info and links to some galleries. . RudolfRed (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the unnecessary reversion of edited information

I recently edited the "etymology" division of the page, since the pre-existing explanation was totally wrong and misleading. But soon, the edit was reverted.

Coming from Sri Adi Shankaracharya's birth country,I am pretty sure the reversion contains false information.

It is sad to see some foreign identity manipulating this page to wrong notions. The reverter's knowledge of Sanskrit and Indian philosophy is to be thoroughly checked, because their explanation seems to be superficial and wrong.

Please look into it and do the necessary.

link -https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Adi_Shankara

Thank you. 2406:7400:75:5BE:E907:CEE9:4D11:C814 (talk) 06:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

The necessary for something like this [18] is for you to bring a WP:RS that supports what you say and cite it in the article. WP:TUTORIAL can help you with how to add references correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:11, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

FYI ping to @Dylnuge. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Valid courtesy link: Adi Shankara.   Maproom (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it was Shankaracharya, actually. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, good to see you here! Like @Gråbergs Gråa Sång said above, you'll need to find a reliable source that establishes the change you want to make. This could be a book, academic paper, news source, or the website of an established organization for instance, but not something like a blog post.

If you have a source I'd be happy to help you incorporate your change into the article. Thanks! Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 16:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Article Writing

My article was recently rejected and I am still interested in having it published. Kindly let me know if you do offer real time assistance in writing articles? I also do not understand reason why it was rejected, maybe someone can enlighten me? Article name: Millenium work Depot Alice Chege (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, the reason your article was rejected was because it was extremely promotional in nature, completely unsourced and very poorly structured. If you want help with writing, the Teahouse and other locations can be useful provided you can ask specific questions. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 11:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

As it suggests in the link at the top of the page, Draft:Millenium Work Depot, first read Wikipedia:Five pillars. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Alice Chege, have you read Help:Your first article? Though I'd done a fair amount of writing before attempting my first Wikipedia encyclopedia article I just about memorized Your first article to lessen my chances of making mistakes. You may also find Help:Referencing for beginners helpful. Remember, don't add anything to an article draft unless you have a reliable reference to back up what you are stating. Best wishes on future Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Alice Chege, WP:DISCORD and WP:IRC channels exist (among other options), but you are likely to get exactly the same responses you did here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Reflecting citations in a biographical article

Hi, if someone's work is extensively cited in other books and journal papers, what's the best way to reflect that in a biographical article about that person?

Specifically, I'm working on Draft:Janet Wilson James and her works have been cited as a source in various other books and journal articles/papers. Is there way to reflect this in her article? Should it be reflected in her article?

Thanks in advance. UMStellify (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure if it's relevant. It would depend on context. As someone who worked in the scholarly publishing field for a few years in my past, I know that many academic journal articles cite other works simply to inflate the citation count (especially to get beyond a minimum threshold imposed by the journal) and to increase the reputation score of their colleagues. If her work has been described as being a major influence or inspiration in another work, then definitely that should be mentioned, but there would be no need to mention a minor citation of a factoid in a paper somewhere. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

That helps. So, Janet James Wilson was the co-editor of three volumes of a biographical dictionary, Notable American Women, in addition to her dissertation and another book which significantly influenced research in women's studies and gender studies. UMStellify (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it would be best if you can find book reviews and also sources which contextualize, analyze, and situate these works within the broader literature — i.e., more than works which just merely cite these works for the information therein. Umimmak (talk) 21:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, already found and used those references. I was just wondering if these citations should also be included in the main article. Skipping them for now. UMStellify (talk) 21:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request

I created an extended-confirmed-protected edit request on Talk:Prime Minister of Israel. Previously when I created such a request someone did it almost instantly, but this time it has been many hours. Maybe I just got lucky that time and now everyone is busy, but I'm also wondering if the fact that Israel is a topic that attracts endless controversy is dissuading people – however, if you look at the contents of the request, I can't see how it could cause any controversy. I don't know if there is a proper process for calling to attention to such a request, so I just thought I'd ask here, please tell me if this is the wrong place. Thank you. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 22:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SomethingForDeletion, welcome to the Teahouse. By placing the edit request template, you have called attention to your request. It may indeed take some time before someone answers it - we are (mostly) volunteers doing this in our spare hours or minutes. Please be patient. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I decided to try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 22:24, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:Ariconte for actioning my request. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 00:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

My Account is Autoconfirmed or not

I wanted to know that my account is autoconfirmed or not , and how do we check this, Because I have created a draft whose name is wrong and I want to rename it but the move option is not showing. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, EncyclopediaEagle. Click on Preferences (page top/menu) and then look at "Member of groups". The entry would read "Autoconfirmed users ...". Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

But why my account is not having the move button EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 10:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaEagle one of the requirements of being granted the "autoconfirmed" user group is being registered for four full days (96 hours). You do not meet this criteria until about 17:22 (UTC) later today. Also, some pages might be protected against page moves. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

You now have the permissions to move pages! Good luck and happy editing. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:52, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Invisibility of the original source of a topic

Thank you This is my first attempt at inserting a proposal for the above topic. Is there an easier way to find how to create a proposal page for considering the change. Kindly reply on my email, (Redacted) Hasujee (talk) 14:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hasujee It is unwise to post your email publicly, for security reasons. If you want to allow others to email you, they may use the "Email this user" function on your user talk page(which you already have active). Furthermore, most Wikipedia matters are discussed on wiki for openness and transparency. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hasujee What is "the above topic"? David10244 (talk) 09:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@David10244, see their post here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. This particular post didn't link there. David10244 (talk) 03:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Any chance to Collab?

Hi, I am writing here after adequately approching through all the channels that is the respective wikiprojects and user talk pages of copy editors to collab in a cleanup drive of the articles listed here: User:456legend#Cleanup Drives - Current. I haven't received any positive response from other editors. So this would be my last time asking whether anyone interested in this cleanup drive are welcomed and any kind of help is appreciated. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 17:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@456legend You might get some responses, and you might not. Asking for collaboration is fine. If no one is interested, though, don't be discouraged. There is no deadline on Wikipedia. Other editors may have their own interests and their own ideas about what articles to deal with.

That list might look daunting to those who want to do things on Wikipedia part-time, and some editors might not be interested in assembly constituencies in India. (I don't know if you created these, or if you are just cleaning them up, but to me, this collection looks like a set of data that will be hard to maintain as the decades go on.) Are you trying to take on too much by cleaning all of this up? Just asking. Anyway, those are my opinions, and I could be wrong. I hope you get some collaborators. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 05:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @David10244, thank you for your response. I understand that the topic or category may not be of interest to other users and it may fall outside of the scope of their interests. I haven't created any new articles or pages for this series, and I only want to clean them up to meet Wikipedia's standards and maintain consistency among them. I chose this task because I recently found that many pages were vandalized by multiple IP users who blanked content from these articles, and this went unnoticed for most of the articles. Some of the vandalism was reverted by various users, but not all of it.

Regarding your question about whether I will handle all of this, the answer is "YES" if no one else joins me in this cleanup. I will do it alone, and as you mentioned, there is no deadline on Wikipedia, so I will take my time to ensure everything is done properly. I have also decided to take a Wiki-break for a week or two before resuming my work. It is a tedious task, but I enjoy editing articles and making them right. (But I will also later ensure to refer these articles for verification so that there is no comment of original research in the first place) Thank you very much for your good wishes. 456legend(talk) 10:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@456legend You're welcome, thanks for the reply. David10244 (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Greetings, @456legend

I am a novice here and lack the expertise of a seasoned editor, but I possess proficiency with writing aptitudes and an avid interest in geopolitics for the scope of your noble work on Wikipedia.

Hence, perhaps I am competent in extending my contribution to you; in this regard. However, owing to my lack of familiarity with this platform, I humbly strive for guidance concerning the appropriate approach to working with articles.

Good day

Yours sincerely,

(~~~~) Wordsmithowl (talk) 08:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wordsmithowl I think that "proficiency with writing aptitudes" is a bit mixed up, and not what you meant to say. David10244 (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps the language I employed didn't make my context stand out for you, or you didn't understand the words appropriately. Let me elaborate on my context to ensure the clarity of the statement.

The essence of this particular context pertains to effective communication, the use of appropriate language and tone, the structure of written work in a rational and coherent manner, and the laying of grammatical rules and conventions accurately.

Good day-

(~~~~) Wordsmithowl (talk) 12:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wordsmithowl That makes more sense, thanks. David10244 (talk) 03:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Stub length

How short is too short for a Wikipedia Article?

-How many words is too little?

-How many paragraphs?

-If my article is a stub, will it be at risk of deletion? TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello TrademarkedTarantula, and welcome back to the Teahouse. Information about how Wikipedia classifies an article as a stub can be found at Wikipedia:Stub. There isn't a character or paragraph count that is used to make the determination. In general terms, a stub is an article that, although lacking the breadth of coverage expected from an encyclopedia, provides some useful information and is capable of expansion. Non-article pages, such as disambiguation pages, lists, categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects, are not regarded as stubs.

An article being a stub within of itself does not put it at risk of deletion. Deletion is mainly due to an article lacking sufficient notability for inclusion or meeting a criteria for speedy deletion. —Sirdog (talk) 04:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, according to WP:STUB, A stub is an article deemed too short and incomplete to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject. I have been editing for almost 14 years, and have never written a stub. But I have expanded many stubs. How could any editor possibly be proud of writing a crappy encyclopedia article that is too short and incomplete? We should focus on quality not quantity. Cullen328 (talk) 08:39, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Stubs were more common in the early years, as many editors prided themselves in how many articles they created. According to Wikipedia:Content assessment, roughly half of the 7,610,352 articles in English Wikipedia are currently rated as Stubs. Some of those have probably been improved but not had a rating upped to Start or even C-class. I'm with Cullen328 on this - if you intend to make an effort to create articles, aim higher than Stub. David notMD (talk) 13:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't realize that half of all en:wp articles are stubs! David10244 (talk) 07:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

To be fair, some stubs are more stubby than others. You can blame me for two, but I'm not unduly ashamed of Albertus Antonius Hinsz. Species stubs are also, in my view, a special case, as they provide a scaffold, something that can easily be fleshed-out by an expert in the biology who doesn't happen to be an expert in Wikipedia. There may be other examples of helpful stubs. Elemimele (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Elemimele Yes, the species ones are useful. David10244 (talk) 03:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

There is no set length requirement or minimum number of paragraphs that would designate a piece of writing as "too short" for Wikipedia. However, guidelines advise that articles should offer sufficient details to cover the subject in depth and include reliable citations from unbiased sources. Articles should also be original and not plagiarised from other websites.

An article may be deemed a stub if it offers some helpful information but falls short of the depth of coverage anticipated from an encyclopaedia. Stubs, unlike pages like disambiguation pages, lists, categories, templates, chat pages, and redirects, may be expanded and are not in danger of being deleted.

Editors have debated whether or not very brief pieces may be designated as Featured pieces (FA), nevertheless. Short articles for FA candidates are opposed by several editors due to concerns about possible FAC overload, a shortage of reviewers, and the loss of high-quality main page TFAs. Other reviewers contend that regardless of length, any article that satisfies Wikipedia's notability requirements and meets the FA criteria should be accepted. Akinadewojo (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Akinadewojo, this answer is rather confusing in spots, and quite incorrect in others. It almost reads like ChatGPT output. Where did you read about "Featured pieces"? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree, that's a very strange response. Valereee (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant featured articles. Here is the link, Wikipedia:Very short featured articles Akinadewojo (talk) 22:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Page Creation

Hi! I'm here to create a page for my upcoming movie regarding my company Iamvram (talk) 07:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipedia has a strong conflict of interest policy, meaning that you must declare conflicts on interest, and you cannot use Wikipedia as a form of promotion. If your business gains enough notoriety to merit an article on Wikipedia, it will be created by neutral editors and be written in a formal, balanced tone. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 07:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Iamvram I am sure that JML meant to say "notability", not "notoriety". An "upcoming" movie won't have any reviews yet, and it will be hard to find info that was written about the movie that didn't come from you or anyone involved with the movie. That's what's required to base an article on. David10244 (talk) 07:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Iamvram Upcoming films generally do not merit articles, per the definition of a notable film, unless the production of the film itself has received significant coverage(not just the mere fact that it occurred). As noted, typically to merit an article a film must have received reviews that can be summarized. Furthermore, if it's from your company, you have a conflict of interest and need to declare as a paid editor, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Iamvram Please be careful when you try to create an article. Editing an existing article about a movie, changing all of the content to reflect your movie, and saving that, is not the way to create an article. Your edits were undone, so no lasting harm was done. Please read WP:YFA for some information on how to create an article, and what is required to make a valid article that will be accepted. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The translation tool isn't working

This is a general problem I am having. I am trying to create a draft for AfC for translation (don't mee the requirements) and when I try to click "translate paragraph" nothing appears. I'd edit it 100% but NOTHING appears. I have tried on multiple browsers. Chacabangaso (talk) 16:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Chacabangaso, welcome to the Teahouse. Which translation tool are you trying to use? This one - WP:Content translation tool (which is restricted to extended confirmed accounts)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah but I should be allowed to make a draft Chacabangaso (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso, I don't see any exception for draftspace. Have you been told - or read somewhere - that there is such an exception? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I read on the page that users can still submit it to AfC Chacabangaso (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso, you can certainly translate an article and submit it to AfC, but I believe you will have to do it manually, without the use of the tool. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Damn ok ty Chacabangaso (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused because it seems there is a way - Draft:Fabio Gallia was created by a non-extended confirmed user and has content translation tags. Automatic machine translation is completely disabled on English Wikipedia, though, @Chacabangaso, no matter your account status. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can create a draft, but no one can use machine translation. This is actually a good thing: I find that in the process of manually translating articles, I check sources, check referencing, sometimes find that the original source says something different to what I'm translating, sometimes find additional information elsewhere, and other sourcing. And of course I check all the wiki-links, to make sure that they point to the best English options (foreign WP links may point to a related article where there is no "main" article in that language, but there might be a main one here). Viva humanity! Long may real human translation remain relevant! Elemimele (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Elemimele What's this "viva" you mention? This is the English Wikipedia! Should we translate "viva"? (Kidding.) David10244 (talk) 04:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Info Boxes

Hi, I’ve been practising editing on Wikipedia for the last couple of hours, however, I’m curious how I could use multiple infoboxes but have them merged all together. For example, I have a infobox for a musician but he/she also has history in pro wrestling and would also want to create an infobox for that. But doing this makes them two separate boxes and wondering how you can merge them both together.

Thx Peterxo (talk) 18:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

If I were you, I'd just have two infoboxes. If you can, I'd also recommend having the infobox on their wrestling information be next to the paragraph that goes into more depth about it. Dilpickl (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Peterxo, welcome to the Teahouse. Some infoboxes can have other infoboxes embedded into them, but not all infoboxes - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed. You would need to check the infobox documentation to see if it's possible and how to do it (for example, Template:Infobox musical artist).

On another note, while you've been experimenting, you've been uploading various images to Wikipedia tagged as Own work. FYI, "own work" means that you took the photo and own the copyright to it. One of the images has already been nominated for speedy deletion as a copyright violation. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Peterxo Did you mean to remove all article content? The submittal was declined because there is no content nor references. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD, the declined submission was about someone else. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

No Sorry, I was trying to edit where I got the photo from, figured it out. Apologies Peterxo (talk) 20:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Peterxo, you've been editing over on Wikimedia Commons. That's a different site, one which hosts many of the images used in various Wikimedia Foundation projects, including English Wikipedia. Images uploaded here are cross-uploaded to Commons if they meet its requirements.

Please do not download images you find on the internet and then upload them here unless you've checked their copyright status carefully to be sure everything is compatible. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Peterxo Per what IP 199 said, your upload of Zak Holman.jpg will likely be deleted, unless you can show that you took the picture yourself. That's what the "own work" tag means. David10244 (talk) 04:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Canadian Town resident finds iceberg related loosely to towns name

Id like to add some information in the form of Social and News Events for the town of Dildo, Newfoundland. The significance is that an iceberg very loosely resembling the towns name in a rather unusual circumstance has factually occurred.

https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/giant-phallus-shaped-iceberg-floating-in-conception-bay-surprises-residents-of-dildo-canada

This is not satire, this is an actual event. but the wiki page is protected. Asking for permission to be authorized. AndrewM81 (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Honestly? I wouldn't add this. In the grand scheme of things this is just some neat trivia and not a significant event in the town's history. WP:NOTNEWS would also apply in this case. SkyWarrior 02:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

This fine, upstanding iceberg doesn't really have all that much to do with Dildo. It certainly was newsworthy: I encountered it in The Guardian ("Chilly willy: photo of phallic iceberg off Canadian coast prompts merriment"). If it can later be shown to have lived long in the memories (or anyway reliable sources) of the good folk of Dildo or elsewhere, perhaps it can have its own article. -- Hoary (talk) 04:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Even though the photographer is from the town, I think the whole thing is silly. Should the article on Round Rock, Texas have a note that a round rock was found? Well, maybe if a photographer from Round Rock took a picture of a round rock... David10244 (talk) 04:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Editorial decisions aside, your account is already in the autoconfirmed group, and the page is only semi-protected, so you already have the technical ability to edit the page. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 06:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

How: "Create new filter" & "100 changes & last 1 hr" on recent changes

There is no option to create new filter on "recent changes". How do i create new filter from scratch? How do i change default "500 changes & 30 days" to "100 changes & last 1 hr". రుద్రుడు (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@రుద్రుడు: Click the gear icon, then change the number of edits and amount of time displayed. This works on both the desktop and mobile sites. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 18:06, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dudhhr Changing options using gear icon is ok on en wiki, on te wiki its not working. I will ask on te wiki. Both wikis have not same behaviour. రుద్రుడు (talk) 01:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@రుద్రుడు: The gear icon exists on the Telugu Wikipedia, a quick test shows that it works there, including on the mobile site. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 02:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dudhhr i meant changing default "500 changes & 30 days" to "100 changes & last 1 hr". If i visit page after an hour it changes "500 changes & 30 days". I am unable to make it persistent. రుద్రుడు (talk) 03:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@రుద్రుడు: It's in Special:Preferences, under "Recent changes". On the Telugu Wikipedia, it's in ప్రత్యేక:అభిరుచులు, under "ఇటీవలి మార్పులు". – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 04:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dudhhr Changing filter defaults (duration) is resolved. రుద్రుడు (talk) 06:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

No one has answered me in the talk page.

I put some things that it has to be fixed in Talk:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, but no one has answered me. 190.21.168.47 (talk) 04:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a proper semi-protected edit request could help, as that is monitored. Also note that editors, especially on article talk pages, may not respond immediately. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Rescuing a deleted page, history is intact

I'll just quote my original text, and the reply, at User talk:Hey man im josh#Thank you!

... for reviewing all those #Redirect articles. I honestly don't know how many of them will ever be used... but, as with many other redirects, they're there just in case someone searches for those alternative/inflected names first, to save them repeated varying searches.

Question, by the way: "Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića" got deleted, or rather, merged/redirected into "Blidinje plateau#Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića", for 'lack of [documented] notability'. I was starting to look at what hadn't been but could be successfully made RS citations — somewhat disadvantaged by my not being a native reader of Croatian, Bosnian, or Serbian (the sources' languages) — when the original page died. I'd love to keep working on the article in draftspace, possibly under my userpage, to try to meet the notability requirements... but I don't want to just copy-and-paste the text, thus losing the previous editors' credits. Is it possible to copy the full file (credits/history included) either to "Draft:Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića" or to "User:.Raven/Draft:Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića"? Or else move it, and create a new redirect in its place? The version I'd need, the last before its being turned into a redirect, is [19] for the article; and the still-existing current version [20] for its talkpage. Please let me know about whatever options I have. Thanks again! – .Raven  ^.talk 23:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @.Raven: No problem, thank YOU for putting the effort in to create those redirects!

So your concern is focused on preserving the page history (a good concern, which I personally appreciate). It's a good question, but there's no way to duplicate the page history, you can only ever have it in one place. So, given that this is the first time I've considering this situation, I'm not 100% confident in the answer I'm about to give but you could probably create the draft, use an edit summary to explain that you're taking the content from the mainspace version's history, then, when the article is ready, request a WP:histmerge. If you did this it would be clear you're trying to act in good faith, but as I said, I'm not 100% that this is the proper way to go about it. I'd recommend that you ask at WP:Teahouse or get a second opinion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, useful info! Thanks again! – .Raven  ^.talk 05:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Alternatively, is there any value in taking it to deletion review, with a plea that although you're not contesting the deletion as such, or wishing to make any negative comment about the closure, this is a special case where you have genuine reason to believe you could improve the article and meet notability if permitted to work on it, and therefore would like to ask if the delete outcome could be mitigated to draftification? Elemimele (talk) 05:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd be delighted! Is that actually a possibility? – .Raven  ^.talk 06:01, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, after going through the options at deletion review, it looks like I should have started by asking the AfD closer — which I have now done. Thank you for the pointer! – .Raven  ^.talk 06:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@.Raven: thank you, too, for the feedback on DRV. I don't know why I didn't think of simply asking the closing admin. I shall remember next time. A learning experience with a happy outcome. Elemimele (talk) 08:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Stopping Wikipedia related spam

A client without a wikipedia account has asked for my help - Someone tried to make a Wikipedia page for him and it was rejected. Now he is getting a lot of spam email offering to help him get his Wikipedia page accepted. Is there any way to remove the draft or otherwise make it so that he is not constantly getting spam asking about his rejected Wikipedia page. (The draft shows his website, which is where they are getting the email) Msmag12 (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Msmag12, welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately we can't do anything to stop unscrupulous folks from behaving unscrupulously outside of Wikipedia. The draft will be automatically deleted after six months of inactivity; it may be possible to delete the draft more quickly if it violates one of our policies. We'd need to look at the draft in order to evaluate it - can you tell us the title? Also, you need to read and comply with WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Msmag12 - you might want to think before naming the article here, as this is a high profile page, so naming it here might generate even more spam. If the problem is the website on the draft-page, then the answer may be to remove that link ? - Arjayay (talk) 17:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Msmag12: You can send me the identify of the draft by email and I'll look to see if it's deletable. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

These emails are much more than spam. They are being sent by unethical lying scammers. Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

You could ask the original draft author to place a {{Db-g7}} tag on it. An author can request deletion of their own article if no one else has made substantial contributions to it. Do not make any other edits to the article though, as any new edit that isn't the template I recommended will reset the 6 month timer. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Where's my article?

Hello! I've created a wikipedia article like 2 days ago. When I go to search it, I could not find mine. Please help Nach30 (talk) 10:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Nach30, and welcome to the Teahouse. See the messages at the top of your talk page about your creating a User page for yourself that did not meet Wikipedia requirements. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Your additions to your user page User:Nach30 have been deleted due to "Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host". Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Sustainable Development Goals

I feel like the second sentence of the first paragraph on Sustainable Development Goals is unnecessary. It is redundant and the names of the 17 goals are already mentioned on Content of the 17 goals. Mox Eden (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mox Eden I agree that that sentence is clumsy and has too many links, creating a WP:SEAOFBLUE but bear in mind that the first part of any article is called the WP:LEAD and is supposed to summarise the key points from the rest of the content below. Given the title of the article, putting those goals within the lead in some way seems reasonable. You are free to edit the content to improve the article as you see fit, or to raise your concerns on its Talk Page at Talk:Sustainable Development Goals. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

At what level does a politicians get a Wikipedia page?

At what level does a politician get a Wikipedia page? In the US I see people with pages despite only being in the lower hosue of a state legislature. In addition I was looking a the President of Nauru and saw some small pages. Do all head of states get a page or what is the requirement? LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, LuxembourgLover! For politician guidelines, you can read WP:NPOLITICIAN! Tails Wx 23:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

According to the notability principle of Wikipedia, a politician can get a Wikipedia page only if they have reached a particular level of online visibility. This means that the politician about whom you are planning on creating a Wikipedia page must be notable on other online platforms before they can get on Wikipedia. Therefore, it is important to ensure that the politician meets Wikipedia's notability criteria, which require significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Once the notability criterion is met, a politician can get a Wikipedia page regardless of their level, whether it is at a national or international level. Akinadewojo (talk) 21:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Akinadewojo, the first part of this answer is not correct, and contradicts the second part. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I visited some websites, which was the basis of my answer. The links to what I read are listed below.

https://wikispecialistinc.com/how-to-create-a-wikipedia-page-for-a-politician/

https://www.akruto.com/topic/how-to-get-a-wiki-page-for-a-politician/

https://wikimanagementinc.com/blog/how-to-create-wikipedia-page-for-politicians/

https://politicalmarketer.com/wikipedia-page-creation-for-politicians/ Akinadewojo (talk) 22:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Akinadewojo, the place to get information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines is Wikipedia. Please do not repeat information you find on external sites, especially when you have no idea whether or not it is correct. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

The linked page for Wikispecialist says "Wikipedia is a platform that has no restrictions as to what and about whom the information can be published".

There's a lot of other bad info on that same page--it seems to say that each article is translated into 300 languages. And "Anyone trying to get public fame on online platforms must learn how to create a Wikipedia page". David10244 (talk) 04:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sure those are things these "Wikispecialist"s would like you to believe! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

"This article has content written like an advertisement"

While copyediting, I keep seeing this notification. As a newcomer, I'm too baffled to even comprehend what it even means. How do I fix it?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 14:21, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Hello Tarantula! Would you mind telling me what article you're seeing this on? Usually this means the article reads like its trying to sell you something or convince you about something/into doing something and that it violates our policy on maintaining a neutral point of view, however sometimes an editor adds this tag and no one removes it even if the issue is no longer there because they're either afraid to do so or aren't sure if the issue is fixed. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @TrademarkedTarantula, and welcome to the Teahouse. There's information at WP:NOTADVERT. We want to describe the subject by neutrally summarizing what reliable sources say. An article tagged with this means another editor thinks it sounds like what the subject would like to say about themselves. Valereee (talk) 14:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, do you mean Laugh Factory? Looks like you just removed a WP:COI tag, too. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this very minor edit (see Edit difference) is sufficient to warrant the edit summary "copyediting, changed tone" and to remove the advert tag, in itself. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry about that.

TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry, there's a lot to take in at first and new things to learn each day, I still find, so just take your time. And edits can be easily undone. Enjoy. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

How to Use and Display ConnectedContributor Template

Hi, I recently had a page deleted as it "appeared that I was a paid contributor". I edit pages related to the biotech and Pharma sectors, and I am a Pharma employee. However, I am not paid to create or maintain any Wikipedia content.

I have been advised to use the Connected Contributor template to display my associations. I have no idea how to use this template, or the syntax. I believe I display it on my user Talk page, and Talk tabs of pages that I have edited.

Could anyone help me with the syntax please? Best wishes, Jon Knowledgejwl (talk) 12:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Knowledgejwl: Hello there! The ConnectedContributor template goes on the talk pages of the articles you edit. To add it, for you it would be {{Connected contributor|user=Knowledgejwl|declared=Revision ID of the addition of the COI template to your userpage which you get from the "oldid=" bit of the URL}}. Now for your userpage you would add {{UserboxCOI|1=Article you have a COI with}}, for each article you can either add a new userbox with the same parameters but a different article name, or you can just add another parameter that same as the "1=" but increment the "1" by 1 each time for each different article up to 9. Hope this helps! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft: The IBET PhD Project

Hello, I am asking for some help mentioned in the headline. My original submission was rejected due to unsatisfactory references. I added some additional information and outside sources, but would like to know if I'm heading in the right direction. Could anyone give the draft a look and tell me what else I should include? I'd like to add our partnerships, awards, etc., but want to get some guidance first. Thanks in advance! Akashiadanielle (talk) 15:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:The IBET PhD Project.   Akashiadanielle, to establish thatThe IBET PhD Project is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, you'll need to cite some reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. All the sources currently cited are based on press releases, and so not independent. Maproom (talk) 15:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Gray and Sons

Hello! I am asking for your help with the article mentioned in the headline. The article was initially moved from the main space to draft because of a thought that I am a paid editor (which was already solved) and bad refs. If you will have time to look at the article's edit history and get to know the story, I would really appreciate it. I tried to reach out to a person who reviewed the draft but didn't get an answer for like 5 days.

I wanted to provide some more sources and references and hear your opinion about it. Firstly, I wanted to note that the article initially had secondary sources (as explained in Wikipedia rules) and also one primary one (which is fortunately still in the draft). I also found some more sources, mentions and stories about Gray and Sons, which can serve as in-depth, independent, and reliable, and also, why not, secondary sources for the article.

• The Entrepreneurial Spirit Lives: 25 Tales to Help Entrepreneurs Start, Grow, and Succeed in Small Business" by Bill Roark. This book is widely recognized, and gives information about businesses and their stories, including Gray and Sons.
• Jewelry and Gems: The Buying Guide, 8th Edition by Antoinette Matlins and A.C. Bonanno. Also a reputable book and can serve most probably as a secondary and reliable source, because it just gives small mentions about the company.
• Jewelry International Vol. III by Tourbillon International. Explains the story of Gray and Sons and how they started out in the United States,
• The Watch, Thoroughly Revised by Gene Stone and Stephen Pulvirent. In the book, there are stories about Gray and Sons and how they succeeded in the watch retailing industry.
• Jewelry and Metalwork in the Arts and Crafts Tradition by Elyse Zorn Karlin. In this book, there are mentions of the company and its Art Deco and Art Nouveau jewelry.

Hopefully, these sources will be enough for the article. If you need the sources for the press release, news mentions, and other blogs in other websites as secondary sources, please let me know. Thank you so much! Best regards Gevorg Ghazaryan (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Gevorg Ghazaryan, Draft:Gray and Sons is certainly not acceptable as a Wikipedia article in its current state. To establish that the business is notable enough to warrant an article, you'll need to cite several reliable independent sources each with extensive discussion of the subject. It currently cites only one source, which is not independent, being based on what the business's founder has said. Adding sources based on press releases (not independent) and blogs (not reliable) won't help. Maproom (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Maproom, thank you for answering to my inquiry. I agree with you that in its current state, it is not acceptable, as it was changed many times since its initial publication. I provided some more sources above, which can be in-depth, independent, and reliable sources for the article, and wanted to hear your opinion on them. Thank you --Gevorg Ghazaryan (talk) 15:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe those sources are useful. As I don't have access to any of them, I can't tell. Maproom (talk) 15:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

nowiki added tag

Hello, I've noticed that occasionally my edits are logged with the tag "nowiki added." From what I can tell it only happens when I use the En Dash template, but, again, only happens occasionally. I use the visual editor so the "Visual edit" tag is always logged.

What does the "nowiki added" tag mean?

Thanks,

Edward Bednar (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Edward Bednar, welcome to the Teahouse. It means that a nowiki tag was added in your edit. It's quite obvious in source mode - perhaps not so much in VE? See this edit of yours as an example. It seems to occur when you add the endash template inside the wikilink. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Edward Bednar: Without nowiki, a word right after a link with no space or other separator is included in the link text: Walla Walla–based. VisualEditor avoids this by inserting nowiki: Walla Walla–based. I don't know a guideline about it but it looks odd to me to have the dash inside the link. If it's outside then it counts as a separator betwen the link and the next word so nowiki is not needed: Walla Walla–based. It also means a piped link isn't needed for the dash (it's still needed in this example where Walla Walla is linked to Walla Walla Regional Airport). An en dash is usually added as a character and not a template: Walla Walla–based. In VisualEditor, en dash is the first character in the Ω menu. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Makes perfect sense. I will also start using the Ω menu for these characters instead of the templates. Not sure how I landed on using the en and em dash templates, in the first place.

Thanks again.

Edward Bednar (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

RMNP - Redirect problematic ? | Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado | Riding Mountain National Park, Manitoba

The abbreviation should be a redirect to both of these pages, not only to Rocky Mountain National Park. I searched RMNP on the wikipedia search bar while wanting to read the Riding Mountain National Park page, but instead got directed to the Rocky Mountain National Park page.

Can a redirect page link to 2 pages ? If affirmative, could a kind being help me figure out how to implement this please ?

Thank you :) Gimly24 (talk) 14:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

You can create a disambiguation page. Ruslik_Zero 14:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will look into this :) Gimly24 (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

However, from a quick Google search it seems that Rocky Mountain National Park is by far the more common meaning of the acronym. The Redirect should have been left alone and a new dab page created, with a hatnote at the destination of the redirect. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I get notifications for a draft article being possibly deleted if I didn't create it

I am currently working on Draft:Unification Church political views and it is originally very old. How do I ensure I don't forget about it and have it be deleted by accident? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Immanuelle. As long as a draft is edited at least once every six months, it will not be deleted routinely. You can also put the draft on your watchlist, and check for deletion tagging. You could tape a paper note to your refrigerator. Writing a note on the back of your hand with a ballpoint pen may work for a couple of days as well. Cullen328 (talk) 07:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

While Cullen has a number of valid methods of a range of effectivenesses, you might want something more handy for dealing with multiple drafts you are trying to manage. One option is to make links on your own user page (or a subpage like User:Immanuelle/drafts to watch) for the various drafts you are working on, and then check those links periodically. Check their histories to see when the last edit was, and if one is getting close to 6 months, make a minor edit to it. That will reset the clock and you can rest assured that it won't be deleted. You could even organize your list of links into a table, putting the last edit date as one of the fields in the table, and when you make an edit, update the table. You can even make the table sortable on the date field so that the oldest ones can be sorted to the top. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:13, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, I found the first sentence of the draft hard to understand, until I realised that it's really about the political views of Sun Myung Moon. Perhaps you could change the name of the draft accordingly? Maproom (talk) 08:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Third party editor...

I've been looking for someone to write an article for me which meets wikipedia standards. I'd appreciate any reference you might have for this. (talk) 02:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggest that you read and study Your first article, and do it yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 07:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand, VOTRA888, you could try to hire a paid Wikipedia editor. 95% of them are liars and scammers and con artists. The other 5% are very expensive and mostly work for big corporations. Good luck! Cullen328 (talk) 07:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The other 5% are liars and scammers and con artists too, they're just good at their jobs. --Jayron32 16:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello VOTRA888, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you also read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

my page in Wikipedia

I am Canary Burton, a composer of American Art Music. I have read everything someone or ones have posted on my page. I noticed at the top where proof is needed or the page will be taken down. Everything that has been printed is true and what do I have to do to make it permanent? Thank you. 2601:194:827F:37A0:25CA:8034:CFF4:35A1 (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Canary Burton - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. There's nothing you can do to make it permanent. Content is virtually guaranteed to change over time, though it is less likely to happen if the sources being cited are reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

(ec) First, you do not own the article just because it is about you. See WP:OWN. To prove the claims, someone else besides you (usually) should find reliable sources and cite them.

Asparagusus (interaction) 18:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

If by permanent you mean it staying up having reliable sources and following WP:GNG and WP:BLP It should be fine. Chacabangaso (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

How to add a translation to a poem

Hello, I want to translate a poem found in Ahmad Bin Aiba Al Maqdsi however I don't know how to structure it Chacabangaso (talk) 18:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Chacabangaso, welcome to the Teahouse. As a suggestion, you could structure it like the one at "Pipa xing" - in multiple columns with the non-English and English versions side-by-side. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Image permissions

Hello! I have a question regarding the use of an image that was granted permission for use on the Wikipedia page. It's an image of a fungal species, which was previously lacking a (well-developed) page. It was printed in a scientific publication, and after reaching out to the corresponding author, permission was granted for use on the page. I have the emails documenting their consent for us, however, I'm not sure how to properly navigate through the prompts on the Upload Wizard. Would this fall under the category of non-free but Fair Use? Or, do I need to see if they are willing to declare this as a "free" image? Do I need to ask more specifically about their copyrights?

Thanks in advance for your time and assistance!

Lichenicolous (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lichenicolous, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see how this image could be used under our non-free content provisions (and if it could be, you wouldn't need anyone's permission to use it). If the copyright holder wishes to release the image under a compatible license, they need to email Wikimedia Commons. Here's a link to the instructions and some example templates: link. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lichenicolous Well done on taking the initiative and getting the agreement of the photographer to release their photo. Whilst they may well wish to email their permission with our formal template, as suggested above, another way is to encourage the author/photographer to simply create a free Wikipedia account and upload it themselves direct to Wikimedia Commons. As an example, I managed to get the photographer of a new species called Syracosphaera azureaplaneta to do precisely that. But if they have no interest in Wikipedia, emailing their permission is still probably the easiest way. Obviously, they are in a position to choose what resolution of image they wish to make available under our 'Creative Commons' agreement. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lichenicolous I'll emphasize that the copyright holder of the image needs to do the e-mailing, or the uploading of the image and giving permission in the upload process. You cannot do it for them. For a published paper, I am not sure if the corresponding author has that power either. David10244 (talk) 05:02, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Nick Moyes and @David10244! I appreciate your prompt and thorough insight. Hopefully they will still be on board and willing to go the extra step to increase the accessibility and availability of their work. Fingers crossed!

Cheers, Lichenicolous (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

How to use non-free images

Hello, I wanna add images of the coin faces on Jordanian Dinar but I can't because they aren't free despite there use on the Arabic page http://ar.wiki.x.io/wiki/%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A. So how can I use them? Ty Chacabangaso (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Chacabangaso. They would need to meet our non-free content criteria and would need to be uploaded locally to English Wikipedia. File:50 JOD Obverse.jpg is an example that you could follow. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Source citation

Hey all, newbie here.

Just writing a post for a gaming tournament that myself and some friends created and we want to document it somewhere public to remember by and for future generations to add too. However I can't quote or provide sources as all the facts and comments are internal for us and won't appear anywhere on the internet, bar maybe social media.

How do I get this published? I have removed some bits that said worldwide as it isn't.

Thanks

Nick TheMonk84 (talk) 20:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TheMonk84, welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is: you don't. Wikipedia articles are summaries of what has been published in independent, reliable, secondary sources about a subject. There are many places on the internet where you can document the history of something which doesn't meet our rather high standards - see WP:Other outlets. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

See also WP:NOTMADEUP. CodeTalker (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Mystery modification to a draft

I received an email yesterday (May 4 2023) from wikimedia of an anonymous change to a draft article I've written. The email has a number of wikipedia links where I could supposedly see the changes, and includes the line: Editor's summary: Johasouerp coumilla Agreed banik Bangladesh 0200019508749.

I've looked at the draft and don't see any changes, the anonymous editor didn't post anything in the draft's talk page, and the history tab doesn't show any change. The editor has no email address (the user ID is 2400:C600:3372:BECF:1:0:F5A6:BE9D).

What would have triggered this message? Should I be concerned (e.g., about malicious editing)? Johsebb (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Not completely, there is a somewhat low chance a vandal managed to find your draft. But you should still probably look over it before you send it for review (also, what draft? a link would really help!) have a nice day! -I.R.B.A.T^{(yell at me) (The IRBAT Files)} 16:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Johsebb It was an email notification of this edit [21] which was made to to the talk page of a draft you started. When you watch a page you get notified of changes to the talk page too. The "User ID" is an IPv6 address and has no email because it was used by someone logged out. It's just a routine nonsense/spam edit, and I have reverted it.163.1.15.238 (talk) 16:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Johsebb (talk) 21:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Employee Disclosure Form

The company that I do some contract work for has asked me to create a wikipedia page for them. I have tried to post an article about the history of the company but get messages about a paid editing. I have read the articles about the disclosure form but I don't understand how to use it. Is there someone I can talk to about this? Jeff2-SF (talk) 18:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff2-SF: Hi there! Have you read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose yet? If so that section details how to disclose that you are being paid. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jeff2-SF, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have been given an exceedingly difficult task, and in fact it may be impossible, if it happens that the company does meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Please read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Notable Subject Article

I am a publicist for notable person, have written his bio for posting to Wikipedia with reliable sources and was paid to write it. Now that I am ready to post it, is it better to create an account in his name, create a subpage from the one I created under my company name or create new account in my name?

Additionally, is there a more simple guideline for posting this bio without going down a rabbit hole of redirects? I understand the need for rules and clarity but I fear making the simplest of mistakes in doing it the first time will lead to being blocked from editing it. It all seems so confusing or maybe I am stupid. GreenwoodDriveEnt (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't really understand? Your current account should be fine. If it does follow WP:NPOV and you disclose you were paid (see WP:PAID) you should be fine Chacabangaso (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

And ofc following WP:GNG Chacabangaso (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GreenwoodDriveEnt, welcome to the Teahouse. The best thing to do (after declaring per WP:PAID) is to click on WP:AfC, read that page, then click on the blue Click here to start a new article button, which will walk you through the process.

One word of warning - you should never create an account which uses your company name, unless you add something to identify you specifically (i.e. "Jane Doe at Company Name"). Since this account does seem to use the name of a company, I'd highly recommend requesting a rename via the process outlined at WP:Changing username. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Valuable feedback! GreenwoodDriveEnt (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GreenwoodDriveEnt. No, you are not stupid, but you have in all likelihood taken on a task for which you are unprepared. Wikipedia is unlike almost anything else on the internet, and writing for Wikipedia is unlike most forms of writing, especially publicity. The task you are proposing is not "posting a bio", it is "writing an encyclopaedia article". Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

My advice to new editors wanting to create a new article is always to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to existing articles, before even trying it. Then read Your first article.

There is no connection between the name of an account and any articles that that account works on. (Note that the account which creates an article has absolutely no ownership of that article: almost anybody in the world may edit almost any article. A notable exception is that editors should not directly edit any article with which they have a conflict of interest - and paid editors must not do so). Your account must be personal to you, and may not bear somebody else's name, or have a name which suggests it is editing on behalf of an organisation. If GreenwoodDriveEnt is a version of the name of a company, you should change it (though eg "Joe at GreenwoodDrive" would be acceptable). ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Where to go if you want to public something

To publish a story or anything do I need account or to login 41.116.69.137 (talk) 19:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

To Wikipedia? If so you can do it on an IP but you'll have to go through WP:AfC if you want to make multiple I'd def rec a real account to store them Chacabangaso (talk) 19:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia is not a publisher.

Asparagusus (interaction) 20:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

If you want to publish news stories, I recommend checking out our sister project Wikinews. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

How can my ip address be unlock

Help me unlock my ip address Frank Gidelum (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Wikipedia:Appealing a block may help. IP address gets blocks due to vandalism from other owners. Cwater1 (talk) 17:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Frank Gidelum ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 18:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

If you don’t want to share your IP address, you can file an unblock request through UTRS or apply for IP block exemption. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:03, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Subjective Editing

Good morning (CST). I was wondering if an editor(s) may be violating certain policies (WP:Point, WP:NPOV, WP:Listen) back-to-back on a controversial topic/article, how might that be addressed if it is not agreed upon in the Talk page of the article? WyntersMyst (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

WyntersMyst, you write about something similar at the foot of Talk:Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine, so I suppose that the article in question (or one of them) is Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine. As this has been labelled a contentious topic, I suggest that you skip one or two normal stages in attempting to end troublesome behavior and instead take your complaint directly to WP:ANI. Try to be both informative (be sure to supply diffs) and concise (a difficult combination, of course). -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Understood. I appreciate your reply. WyntersMyst (talk) 08:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Image thinks it's in a different section

I want to add this image to the article Francevillian B Formation to it's Significance and History section, however it keeps on cementing itself into the section underneath this. I initially added it to the last section of the article then moved it to the first. How do I fix this? Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Rugoconites Tenuirugosus and welcome to the Teahouse. Not an answer, but see MOS:SANDWICH. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:53, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

If you widen and narrow the browser window (on a desktop), your left image seems to be tied to the same vertical position as that on the right (see "unitof = [[Franceville basin|Francevillian Basin]]"). Maybe it's something to do with the underlying CSS style? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:00, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what technically is causing it, but it's triggered by having the infobox be followed by another right-side box or image. The result is that your left-side image is positioned immediately below the bottom of the infobox (it's cemented to the end of Infobox rockunit, not into a specific subsequent article-section). DMacks (talk) 09:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I tried swapping in a few different types of infobox, and it's a general situation (so it's about "infobox" not "infobox rockunit"). But it's only when the infobox is followed by another right-hand image or box that is also in the lede section. DMacks (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Correction: it's the layout of multiple right-hand objects (images or infoboxes) followed by a left-hand image. The left-hand one is top-aligned with the last of the right-hand stack (so in this case it's bound to the top of FB (the "Part of a series on..." box), not the bottom of the first infobox. DMacks (talk) 09:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Filed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Left-image after multiple right-images in preceding section. DMacks (talk) 09:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Meanwhile, graphics-irrelevant trivia: This (very interesting and worthwhile) article needs to decide whether it's about Francevillian B Formation italicized or not, with "Formation" capitalized or not, and with a dot after the "B" or not. Not an urgent matter, but one meriting a few minutes' thought. -- Hoary (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus: I have used {{Stack}}.[22] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Protected page [dBase] - want to edit

I have an edit for a protected page, how do I request edit access? This is the page: http://en.wikiepdia.org/wiki/DBase

Thanks, Scott Mace Scottmace (talk) 23:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Scottmace: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. You should be able to edit the page as it is semi-protected and your account's older than four days and has made over ten edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I use the beta visual editor to edit this page? Scottmace (talk) 02:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Whichever editor you use isn't affected by page permissions, but the visual editor doesn't work in some namespaces, like Wikipedia:. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: DBase original link is a typo. RudolfRed (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

For future reference, you can use edit requests to ask other users to make the edit on your behalf, or request the protection on the page be removed at WP:RFPP. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Why my page is declined?

User:Pratibhayd19/sandbox Pratibhayd19 (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

The reasons are clearly explained on your talk page. What specifically do you not understand? Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:47, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Pratibhayd19 and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to follow the detailed reply on your Talk page.

Ref 1: lnmc.kg is not a reliable, independent, secondary source. See WP:RELIABLE. You can sometimes use primary sources (here, LN Medical College Bishkek) for some basic, non-controversial facts, but you must not overly rely on such primary sources.

Ref 2: www.telegraphindia.com, though a reliable source, is really covering a different issue (rebates for Indian medical students), and doesn't give significant general coverage to LN Medical College, though it does support the basic statement "L N medical College Bishkek is a subsidiary branch of L N Medical College Bhopal, a medical college by L N group of education bhopal".

Ref 3: lnctu.ac.in is not a reliable, independent, secondary source, as LN Medical College Bishkek works in collaboration with LNCT University.

Ref 4: Wikipedia (Kyrgyz National University)). Wikipedia is not a reliable source and cannot be used in citations, nor can other sites that mirror Wikipedia content.

Ref 5: www.knu.kg (Kyrgyz National University) is not a reliable, independent, secondary source, as LN Medical College Bishkek works in collaboration with that university.

At a bare minimum, you need maybe three strong, reliable sources that cover the subject in depth, in order to meet the General notability guideline.

Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Request editorial review for improvement: Gilbert Blaize Rego

Hello Wiki Editors,

I have taken an initiative on my own, to expand the stub into an article on:

Gilbert Blaize Rego

I have completed my research, cited, sourced, and written all that I have on late. Bishop Rego, who died in 2012, and whose stub I came across in writing another article. Your editorial suggestions, input for improvement would be appreciated very much!

Thanking you ahead for your time, effort and advice. Have a great weekend!

Setwikirec0 (talk) 15:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Gilbert Blaize Rego   Maproom (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Setwikirec0, and welcome to the Teahouse. On a quick look, it appears that you have added a number of sources, but few if any of them meet the triple requirements of Golden rule. Many are not independent (they are from organisations that Rego was affiliated with) and several contain only a mention of him.

Most of these should be removed, together with any information which is not derived from an acceptable source (a limited amount of information may come from non-independent sources - see PRIMARY - but the bulk of the information in the article must come from independent sources). Unless there are several such sources, then the article will not establish that Rego meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and the article is liable to be deleted.

Also, remove all external links from the article text (see WP:EL), and from the references, except for a link to the source being cited. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Colin, Thanks for your feedback and your welcome. I have removed ELinks, and added a few new citations from external sources /books. What the bishop did in his episcopal work, the various affiliations although just mentioned it, that was what his works were in various fields. Otherwise, not mentioning them, what do one write of the religious leaders? Their personal life is of service, not writing what they eat, drink, enjoy etc. These works of a religious leader are not elaborated in details. Their lifetime of service is an open book, more of their faith to the calling they heeded for the church, no spotlight on themselves, but their work through institutions, religion, people at large they encounter.

But I will keep researching to find more primary sources and add more as my findings lead me to.

Have a lovely day! My best! Setwikirec0 (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Social Justice

Particularly, Native Social Justice and equity Bandito777 (talk) 22:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bandito, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't made clear what your question is about editing Wikipedia, but if you are just looking for information on Social Justice, I suggest you start with our article on Social justice. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Reverting to obsolete article title

What can be done for someone reverting edits that correct obsolete article title link? It concerns the Hungary National Football Team. Hungarian national football team is an obsolete title.104.35.235.197 (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

You're changing the link "Hungarian national football team" to the link "Hungary national football team". But the former is anyway a redirect to the latter, and they mean the same thing. If either of them was/is a name, then it doesn't look that way. (If "Hungarian national football team" had been intended as a name, I'd expect it to instead be "Hungarian National Football Team".) And therefore both seem fine, and both work. So I don't know why your edits are being reverted, but I also don't know why you'd want to make them in the first place; and all in all I don't know what's problematic here. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

You should read the discussion cited about adjuncts. So you are in favor of maintaining obsolete article titles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:D300:D0F:A4A9:1E1:30A5:4340 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm willing to read some discussion if (i) you direct me to it, and (ii) it's not long. However, your suggestion that I'm "in favor of maintaining obsolete article titles" suggests that you haven't bothered to digest, or have chosen to ignore, what I wrote in my previous comment; and therefore I'm not sure that further discussion would be worthwhile. -- Hoary (talk) 01:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

From a quick cursory look, it appears that the IP's edits are being reverted because "English grammar is wrong" (to name one link). It also appears that the IP has been warned not to do this before (see here). SkyWarrior 01:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

SkyWarrior, that diff (by some user on the opposite side of what looks to me like a non-issue) is unimpressive. Edit summary: "The parsing is correct for the hyperlink, but English grammar is wrong - revert this is vandalism". As for "parsing", I can't parse this very edit summary. I can parse it if "revert this is vandalism" is a typo for "reverting this as vandalism", but I can't see how it's vandalism (unless of course "vandalism" has been diluted to the point where it means no more than "edits I don't like"). How/where "English grammar is wrong" is also a mystery. -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Frankly, Hoary, I agree. The IP's edits aren't necessarily vandalism per se, and the grammar being "wrong" is debatable at best. Those links were really just to provide some background, fwiw. This should be discussed further, imo. SkyWarrior 22:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

[[23]]2603:8000:D300:D0F:A4A9:1E1:30A5:4340 (talk) 01:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the link to WT:WikiProject Football/Archive 82. Here's the start of the opening remark:

It has been brought up [...] that the phrasing of national team names are grammatically incorrect. In the example of England national football team, the use of "England" as a noun is grammatically incorrect, where "English" should be used in its stead as English national football team. "English" is the correct phrasing, with the implication of the national football team of England.

There are some real nuggets within that. I suppose that "the use of 'England' as a noun is grammatically incorrect" is a garbled version of intended "as 'England' is a noun, its use is ungrammatical". (But it isn't ungrammatical, although to me "English" does sound better.) As for judgments on what is and isn't grammatical, subject–verb agreement in that first sentence is, uh, let's be polite and say "idiosyncratic". Et cetera. If something needs to be said about a new stage to the dispute about Australia/Australian, Hungary/Hungarian, U.S.(A.)/American, or whatever, then maybe post it in a new thread at the foot of WT:WikiProject Football, starting the message with a brief summary of, and pointer to, WT:WikiProject Football/Archive 82#Phrasing_of_national_team_names. -- Hoary (talk) 02:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations in Infobox Templates

Hello! I am working on Elections in Texas and just added the voting rights sidebar, is there a way to add citations to the info included? I would like to link the specific statues that the rules are listed in.

Also, is there a trick to avoid the excessive whitespace in the reference section? The rest of the article isn't long enough for the sidebar haha

20:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC) Jayuslynne (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jayuslynne - to cite within the voting rights infobox, you just add citations like you normally would, except within the infobox template. For more info on editing templates see [24].

I'm not aware of any way to avoid the excess whitespace unfortunately. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jayuslynne. Take a look at Template:Reflist#Columns. That may help with the whitespace issue. Cullen328 (talk) 23:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

How Significant?

Hello all! A wikipedia page I was working on was declined; therefore, I was wondering how significant does a person have to be to start on their wiki page? Chris1mas2 (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may want to read WP:GNG, which outlines that articles must have at least two significant in length, reliable (refer to WP:RSP) and independent sources. Assuming that the article that was declined was Draft: Dana Burtin, it was because all of the sources in the article were either not independent, from unreliable sources or not long enough to count for notability. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 01:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chris1mas2: See Wikipedia:Golden Rule to learn what we expect of sources you cite. We need multiple sources that meet those criteria. Your draft doesn't cite such sources. There's one from the News-Herald that's decent but that isn't enough, and even that source is just local coverage. Regional or national scope is preferred. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Wrong image in wiki page

The page about the polearm known as "Voulge" (vouge as well) contains the wrong image. The information in the page itself seems perfectly fine. At least it fits with what I know. The problem is that the image shows a double-edged sword, when the polearm in question is a single-edged blade attached to a long wooden stick. The polearm itself does not resemble in any way any kind of sword like the one shown in the image. I really don't know where to say/post this, so if nobody here can fix it maybe someone could point me to where I should go with this. The page in question is this one here Voulge Canzandridas (talk) 16:22, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Canzandridas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You should direct your concern to the article talk page, Talk:Voulge. 331dot (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Voulge, not Talk:Voilge. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 16:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

That specific image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons, so if there are factual mistakes in the image itself, that would be discussed and handled there not here. For the specific case, the file is sourced to [25]. The object is in the Army Museum (Paris), where it is titled "Vouge, France, vers 1450" and the description that clearly calls it a vouge. That seems like an authoritative source ("reliable" in wikipedia terms). DMacks (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

It seems obvious to me that the (not very good) image includes only the "business end" of the weapon and a short length of the longer pole – it's not a "sword", although it may superficially resemble one in the cropped picture. Doubtless some voulges were double edged, and this is one of them, so it's not wrong, but I agree that a better image of a more typical example would be an improvement. Where to find a non-copyrighted one? Perhaps you, Canzandridas, could visit a museum or other display, take a better photograph, and donate it to WP:Commons? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

There are some images at c:Category:Voulges on commons. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 13:34, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Apparently it won't be necessary since the image in question was a copyvio after all, even if it turned out to be a real voulge (different names for different things in different eras pretty much). The image now resembles more what I always understood as a voulge. Not like I'm some kind of authority, by any means. But now I can happily crawl back into my hole. Canzandridas (talk) 23:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any tagging that would indicate it's a copyvio (neither in a comment when it was removed from the enwiki article nor a deletion-nomination on commons). If you are aware of an actual license problem, please let someone know specifically the situation so it can get resolved. DMacks (talk) 03:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I found the article-talkpage note. Will forward it to commons. DMacks (talk) 03:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with writing my first page. Eek!

Hello!

I read somewhere it is better to get guidance from more experienced editors to help with writing a first Wikipedia page.

So here I am...

All tips and help, gratefully received.

Thanks in advance, Nikki :-) Nikki Wordsmith (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nikki Wordsmith I've added a few basic links to your Talk Page, which I hope will help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

You can also create a free account on Youtube, and search for wikipedia help. It's much easier than reading.🙂 Remember: All new articles must be created & edited in your Sandbox (only when they are ready for publishing do you bring them up to main space). Find your sandbox here: On the top right of your screen, select the down arrow, and choose "Sandbox" (you will see that it's your sandbox by the heading of the page). Then create your article's name by selecting the "Edit source" submenu, by typing the name of your article and surrounding it by double brackets, and then inserting a slash in front of your article's name. For example, you would create an article on "Winnie the Poo" by typing: /Winnie the Poo (surrounded by 2 sets of lowercase brackets to right of the letter "P" on your keyboard, which are always invisible in Wikipedia). Then save the name by selecting "Publish changes" at the bottom left. To start writing your story, just select the articles name. However, 1) remember not to change your article's name, or you risk losing your document, and 2) stale stories are deleted after 6 months of inactivity.

In the United States, in the 8th Grade, we were taught the format for a report. That's what you must use here: 1) An introduction, 2) the main body of your report, 3) footnotes, 4) references, and 5) external links (unique to wikipedia).

To publish your story, select (from the top right) "Tools", "Move", in the 'New title' box select "(Article)", to it's right delete your name and the slash, so that only the article name appears; in 'Reason' select "Publish page to main space", and last, select "Move Page".

Good Luck. Lord Milner (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

no. this is wrong. lettherebedarklight晚安 00:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

You don’t have to create articles in your sandbox. I recommend using the draft space. @Lord Milner:, please don’t comment here until you know the things you’re saying are correct. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks like we're talking about the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCxCLlCVIsk

Lord Milner (talk) 01:47, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

no. see wikipedia:drafts. lettherebedarklight晚安 03:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lord Milner YouTube videos are not a "source of truth" for how to edit in Wikipedia. The info in a random YouTube video might be wrong. Please do not recommend that. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much. How do I get "in" on it? 👍 Lord Milner (talk) 17:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

read the introduction. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

include category page

how do i include a category page with all its categories showing

like templte:excerpt or {{ template Baratiiman (talk) 17:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Beratilman, and welcome to the Teahouse. I doubt if you can do that. You can transclude a category, as you can transclude anything else, by using the {{ ... }} syntax (if you don't give a namespace, it will assume "Template:" but you can specify a namespace such as "Category:"). But it only seems to produce the content of the category page, not the list of articles in the category. I'm guessing that this is because special code is called when you visit a Category page to collect the articles in the category, but that is not run if it is transcluded.

I may be wrong though: if you really want this, WP:VPT is the place to ask. ColinFine (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a job for {{Category tree}}. DMacks (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that seems to work, DMacks. You learn something every day ... ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Careless Whisper revison specifically the cover versions

please help i have tried to add in information that is accurate to the cover versions section of the page dedicated to the song Careless whisper the problems is there is no website that documents the information aside from ebay and a youtube video Careless Whisper (Japanese Version 1984) - Hideki Saijo of the song and other places so i am unsure what to do h

i inserted this into the page

• Japanese singer Hideki Saijo released a cover in 1984 with the title of "Dakishimete Jiruba" which was released as a single and featured on his album "In Search of Love" which was released a year after

Careless Whisper Yuki1983 (talk) 02:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The biggest thing that I see is the citation issues, you should check out wp:cite. Also, you do not normally wikilink headings like References. If want to make things a bit easier, you may want to use the visual editor. You can switch at the top hotbar. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Yuki1983, if you google "抱きしめてジルバ" "西城秀樹" (complete with quotation marks), you'll see many links. Most seem to be to downloading services and similarly unusable sources, but I imagine that there are some reliable sources among the dross. Knowing nothing about Japanese pops, I wouldn't recognize these domain names if I saw them. Perhaps some of the denizens of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan would be able to help you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to tag animations for seizure risks?

Especially if they violate the MoS guidelines here: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=MOS:ANIMATION&redirect=no 173.73.0.102 (talk) 02:53, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

If something violates a guideline, you can usually just edit the article itself to remedy it, or else leave a note on the WP:TALKPAGE for the article. If something is a clear seizure risk but is not against MOS, it sounds like the MOS itself needs to be updated. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility is a central place where interested editors can discuss both specific-article details and general guidelines. DMacks (talk) 04:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I can edit an animation, and I'm not aware of an appropriate tag or template for the talk pages. 173.73.0.102 (talk) 07:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Revert button mobile

I'm having hard time reverting vandalism or disruptive edit since I'm at mobile. There is no revert button. Can someone revert all the User:Denoucehackjack edits at Kim Possible (character) into this version [26]. Thanks. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 11:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @GlatorNator and welcome to the Teahouse. Unattributed content has been removed by another editor (Edit difference). Is that sufficient? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@GlatorNator welcome to Teahouse! There’s new work to make it easier to rollback edits on mobile. You can check out the discussion at mw:Moderator_Tools/Content_moderation_on_mobile_web/Diff ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

In the mean time, you can use desktop-mode on your mobile device. I made that switch a few years ago and never looked back. Now I have the same and full experience whether I'm at my desk or on my phone. DMacks (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Addresses = part of the "this article is written like an advertisement" error? What is considered part of this error?

Recently, I've been copyediting the article "Queen's Lane Coffee House" and came across the "this article has content written like an advertisement" error like I usually do. I know I have to remove promotional content like menus (I think), and I also know promotional content can't be in a Wikipedia article because it violates the NPOV (you're saying good things about a company and persuading people to buy products). Here's the exact quote from the article I'm confused on:

"The coffee house is situated on the north side of the High Street (at No. 40), on the corner of Queen's Lane, hence the name 'Queen's Lane Coffee House'."

Another question: What is considered part of this error? A simple list should be adequate. TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula, an example of promotional content was "It is popular with University of Oxford and Oxford Brookes University students and tourists alike." Valereee (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee: So that statement would be considered promotional content because the 'tourists alike' part wants to make tourists come. TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

It's more subtle than that. If you're writing about a pub in a university city, and the fact that this pub was/is frequented by academics is both relevant to what you're saying, and can be backed up by sources ("The Rubber Drawing-pin coffee-house, popular with students, inspired Henry Jones to write his ground-breaking thesis on the effects of flexible stationery in an educational environment" (Smith, J.E. "Flexible stationery, and the role of drinking-houses in academic discovery")) - then it is not promotional to say so. It is promotional if you use positive language that is not reflected in sources, and it is promotional if you take positive languages from promotional sources (e.g. newspaper articles specifically advertising the charms of the establishment) and plant it in a Wikipedia article. And in a UK context, sometimes, occasionally, it can be necessary to distinguish that a pub is a tourist-and-student pub, not a local-old-blokes pub, but that needs sourcing. That's my take on it, anyway! Elemimele (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula The main issue with that type of statement is that it did not have a citation. Who said it was popular (or not popular)? Part of being neutral in what we write in Wikipedia is that opinions and value-judgements should always be sourced, as indeed should anything that is not obviously true. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

It's also that on its face it's a puffy promotional statement that really means nothing. I'd have to see someone saying almost exactly that, and I'd want to attribute it, and I'd be looking at that source wondering if it were worth attributing that to. Valereee (talk) 09:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

A further issue is that the whole article is basically sourced to blogs. It's got a claim to notability, and anything that old certainly has to have been written about somewhere by someone. Valereee (talk) 09:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

What strikes me most about the article is "it claims to be the oldest continually serving coffee house in Europe". But it's changed its name, it's changed its ownership, and it's changed the city it's in. It reminds me of the purported claim "I've been using this same cricket bat for 50 years. It's only needed one new handle and two new blades." Maproom (talk) 22:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I haven't heard that variant but Ship of Theseus has similar examples with a knife, axe and broom. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

We had a whole List of Ship of Theseus examples but it was about examples in popular culture [27] before being redirected to the main article. No bats. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Just a minor general note to mention that the term "not-for-profit" in the lede of an organisation like Wings Financial Credit Union is not promotional, but informative and to do with the organisation's legal status. This could easily be cited by referring to the organisation's own web site (though a primary source) or to official business registers. Anyhow, happy editing, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Kem page

the information provided on my husband Kem page hewr state Erica Owens as Kem spouse is not true. 2601:5C9:100:7540:19C:668D:94D7:338B (talk) 03:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1187. I suggest you take a break from reading Wikipedia in the meantime. Besides not knowing which article you're referring to, you'd do well to back up your assertions with reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

If you have a suggestion for improving the article Kem (singer) that you can show is confirmed by reliable sources, you're free to make it at Talk:Kem (singer). Note what's written at the top: Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. But remember that the more capital letters are used for a suggestion or request, the less likely this suggestion or request will be taken seriously. -- Hoary (talk) 06:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The more you holler, the less serious attention your comments are likely to receive. Especially when what you're hollering is incoherent. Try to make sense instead. Cullen328 (talk) 07:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This was an unsourced addition by an IP. I've removed as unsourced disputed content on a BLP. Valereee (talk) 09:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Starting a RFC

Most of my activity takes place within certain Wikiprojects, but if I want to open a discussion that would concern the English Wikipedia in general, where would I do that? ReneeWrites (talk) 09:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It depends on the question, @ReneeWrites. What did you want to ask about? Valereee (talk) 09:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It's about the use of the phrase "wheelchair-bound" versus "a person who uses a wheelchair". ReneeWrites (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@ReneeWrites: Maybe people across at Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability would be interested? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll reach out to them. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah...we've actually had a long discussion about this very issue fairly recently. Trying to remember where. Valereee (talk) 11:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Here's one: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_223#"Wheelchair-bound" Valereee (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there have been multiple discussions at MOS: here Valereee (talk) 11:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing text in article

I'm from a Bank . i want to edit the information contains in Wikipedia Kamal213583 (talk) 08:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, please read WP:COI. You have to declare any conflicts of interest, and are strongly discouraged from editing directly connected articles. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 08:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

See your talk page where I have left some helpful information. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Promoting a wikiproject

A wikiproject I take part in is in dire need for more volunteers. Where can I promote the wikiproject and recruit more people? 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex this is not answer to your question but which project you want to promot. I might be interested to collaborate FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma: WP:Vital Articles! Great project, but we just don't have enough people to carry out votes sometimes. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex oh boy! I applaud your confidence. This project is beyond my skill and mind set. good luck FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Does a website count as a source?

I am making a series of edits to Larry Zikmund. Partway through my first edit, I came across his webpage (http://www.larryzikmund.com/) with lots of information about him. Is this too close to him to use as a source for information about e.g. his family? He will have control over what appears on the page but it's unlikely he'd blatantly lie about himself when it comes to his family, career etc. I wanted to know, rather than just dismissing it, as there are very few other good sources about him. JacobTheRox (talk) 12:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@JacobTheRox This will be considered as Primary Source and it should be avoided especially in your case. FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

"A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge."

@FuzzyMagma do you think this would apply to the page about his family: http://www.larryzikmund.com/family.html. The contents are just statements that could never really be biased. They could never really contain an opinion or conflict of interest. JacobTheRox (talk) 13:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@JacobTheRox but can it be verified? I looked to the website and it is really problematic. Still as you said, if you believe you are using the website for information about the family or any non controversial edit, then it might be allowed. But I would advise looking for a more reliable source or just move on to something else. FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

how do you find all the drafts that have categories

how do you find all the drafts that have categories so they can be disabled Baratiiman (talk) 11:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, @Baratiiman. Is this the sort of thing you mean? Wikipedia:Database reports/Drafts with categories. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Baratiiman Disabling categories on drafts is done automatically by DannyS712 bot (talk · contribs) as part of task 27, so there should be no need to do this manually. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I NEED HELP NOW!!

I need help immediately!! I need to delete my account NOW!! I did it on a whim and I did not mean to, I did not know it would work PLEASE TAKE ME OFF!!!! 2601:48:C601:5550:C9E3:CAA4:2B86:E5D1 (talk) 01:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

 Declined. Not possible. You are not posting from an account, and if you did create an account, it cannot be deleted. It can be renamed, however; see WP:VANISH.

Also, your sense of urgency does not impress me. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

From looking at their talk page, the OP appears to mean that they would like their IP address hidden. I believe an admin can do this? Wasn't there an intention a couple of years back to scramble all IP addresses on talk pages? Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that is still a goal, though I don't know off the top of my head how close they are to doing that. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Your IP address does reveal some very limited personal information but only that your Internet Supplier is based in a particular US city: one with many other people. Your name and address are not linked to your IP address by Wikipedia, for example, as there is no way Wikipedia can do that. If I were you, I would relax. Should you wish to contribute further, you can create a free account here with an anonymous Username. There is no need even to associate an email address with accounts, although you will not be able to recover access if you forget the password unless you do link an email address. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You can also request that your edits are suppressed so your IP is hidden. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You can probably make a new account for the future so your IP address is hidden. Cwater1 (talk) 13:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The IP user has been vandalising for the last few weeks, and is now panicking that their IP address has been recorded in the page history. I don't think it would be a good idea for them to make an account given the content of the edits they have made so far. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Correcting (adding info) to a footnote

In the article Bard (Dungeons and Dragons), footnote #7 reads "The Strategic Review Volume 2 Number 1". archive.org. Retrieved 2021-05-04. This article was written by my brother, Doug Schwegman (D. Schwegman in The Strategic Review), and is titled "Mighty Magic Miscellany: Barding Harps." I would like his name included in the footnote, and I think the title of the article should also appear. Doug passed away in 2021, and I want his contribution to be remembered. His Strategic Review articles contributed to the formation of the bard class in D & D. I would be grateful if anyone can help me figure out how to do this. Thanks! Trusther (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Trusther I've made the change, as we do try to credit authors when possible. You could have made the addition yourself, despite your potential conflict of interest, since the citation was already present and you would be adding a simple fact of authorship. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

question

all my stuff gets deleted instantly and im trying to write about a person but they think its me and say: "you don't get free advertising" the person isn't even me or a person i know personally Devman2023 (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Devman2023 As you can read in detail on your Talk Page, the issue is that you wrote the drafts so that they sounded like adverts: that's a problem of the tone you used, not necessarily of whether the person you wish to write about is noteworthy enough to warrant having an article about them. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and tries to write neutrally. I have no idea who you wanted to write about because your title "Superdonathbros" gets no hits in Google. However, that fact alone suggests the person has not been written about (yet) in sources suitable for Wikipedia, which should be those meeting these golden rules. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Devman2023, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't read the deleted drafts as I am not an admin, but I'd be willing to bet that you have made the same mistake that almost every new editor makes when they try to write a new article: you have written what you know about the subject.

Wikipedia does not care - not even a little bit - what you know about the subject (or what I know about it, or what any other random guy on the internet knows). Wikipedia in only interested in what has been published in reliable sources, unconnected with the subject. It follows that writing an article starts with finding independent reliable sources (and that means that if you cannot find any you'll know not to spend any more time on it) and then continues with summarising what the sources say: not what you know. If you know something about the subject, but you can't find it in a published source: don't put it in. If you find something about the subject that you really don't like, and don't want people to know, but it has been published in a reliable independent source, then you should probably put it in the article.

See WP:BACKWARD for more on this. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:N, an article about "Superdonathbros" doesn't seem to have much of a chance. No WP:N-good sources, no WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It's most likely Super Donath Bros, with much the same result. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

New Article Creation

I have created a draft on vice chancellor of Central University in India he is a chemistry professor having 49 h index and Citations are more than 20,000 ( out of which his 35 articles have more than 100 Citations and 1 article have more than 5000 citation). I wanted to know that is he notable for Wikipedia , because I had created an draft article on him. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@EncyclopediaEagle The notability guidelines for academics are given at WP:NPROF. These guidelines are rather inclusive, a vice chancellor with that kind of citation count is almost certainly going to qualify for an article. I will say that at the moment the draft is a bit stubby, adding a section on this person's research interests and notable publications would help make it more obvious that they are notable. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

As per your suggestion i have added a new section named research interests and added some information,is it right ? EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Fixing up an article in current events

I’m working on this article whose subject recently got into current events again. How can I improve it? Draft:Gonzalo Lira Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 14:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

When I read that the subject "is a Chilean-American novelist, film director, financial blogger, YouTuber, and commentator in the manosphere", I assume that you're claiming he's notable for all five of those things, and suspect that he doesn't in fact reach Wikipedia's standard of notability for any of them. I suggest that you decide what his best claim to notablity is, and concentrate on that. Maproom (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

General concern

Hello, I have received a message from the Indonesian Wikipedia, despite the fact that I never edited the wikipedia at all. It was just a simple welcome, even though I have NEVER visited that wikpedia at all by any means. Why did I receive that message, despite me not ever editing a single bit on that wikipedia and how come? Here is the link: http://id.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pembicaraan_Pengguna:Mod_creator And here are my "contributions": http://id.wiki.x.io/wiki/Istimewa:Kontribusi_pengguna/Mod_creator

Let me know if this was sent in error, or it was just an honest mistake. Thank you. 🄼🄾🄳 🄲🅁🄴🄰🅃🄾🅁 (talk) 15:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Is it a scam? TearsOfTheKingdom (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

A number of other language Wikipedias will send you a welcome if you merely look at any pages there, without needing to make any edits. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mod creator. id:Special:Log/Mod creator shows your account was created 28 April 2023, probably because you clicked a link to the wiki while logged in. Many users are annoyed by getting welcome messages after that. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Publishing Article

I am working on a final project through Wikimedia and up until this point I have just been working in the sandbox. How am I able to publish this article to be reviewed and visible on Wikipedia? User:Lukecl/Mary Dhalapany Lukecl (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Lukecl Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks, I am still learning how to navigate and work Wikipedia. Your help is greatly appreciated. Lukecl (talk) 20:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Emails from an LTA

A few years ago in 2020, I used to receive emails from an LTA. They have now resumed their emails. I haven’t been responding to their emails ever since. I have reported the email address to Google. Since then, I have set aside another email to use for Wikipedia matters. They are sending them to my personal email. I was wondering if there is anything that I, the WMF, or Google can do to stop the emails from the LTA. I can send you a copy of their email if you need it. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: First, please do not send any of us here a copy of the email. We do not need that information and should not receive it. Second, I suggest reading WP:EMAILABUSE which details what you should do if you receive abusive emails. I don't believe Google will do anything since the user technically is not breaking any of their rules. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Your personal email system (whatever you use) should have a feature to block emails from specific addresses. Try that. --Jayron32 14:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I would assume they use Gmail since they mention they reported the abuser to Google. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jayron32 and @Blaze Wolf: I use Proton Mail for my personal email while the sender uses Gmail. That’s why I reported the email to Google. I’m not sure if any of you are familiar with Proton Mail, but that’s what I use. Interstellarity (talk) 14:37, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

This has several helpful links to instructions on how to block a sender in ProtonMail. --Jayron32 14:40, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity As BlazeWolf mentioned, Google probably won't do anything, and I think his reason(ing) is correct. David10244 (talk) 04:56, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity Are they emailing you directly, or are they sending you emails through the "email this user" feature of Wikipedia? If it's the first one the advice above is correct and you'll need to block them through your email software, if it's the second there's a few things you can do.

In your preferences page there's an option called "Allow emails from brand-new users", which you can disable, useful if the LTA is making throwaway accounts to harass you. There's also an option called "Prohibit these users from emailing me:" where you can enter their usernames to stop them sending you stuff. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

They originally used the email this user feature on the Simple English Wikipedia. Because in 2020, I assumed that this user was a new user, I responded to the email. The account has been blocked with email access disabled and globally locked. I have disabled the "Allow emails from brand-new users" since most new users should have no reason to email me (although exceptions may apply). I use a separate email for Wikipedia matters from my personal email. I have been told back then to not respond to the emails and I still have not. The thing is despite unlinking my personal email account from Wikipedia and using a separate email for wiki matters, they are sending them through my personal email. I have gone periods where they do not send any emails, but I just got one email from them. I hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 23:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity If you responded to an email then they will, unfortunately, have a copy of your email address and will be able to email you outside of wikipedia, the only thing you can do is follow the instructions on how to block them. Also, just in case you don't know, you can set your email preferences using Special:GlobalPreferences which will apply across all projects. Doing that should stop people messaging you on other projects. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I will assume that the two IP addresses are being used by the same user. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I have switched my email to one that is being used for only Wikipedia matters. I am hoping that it will help me stay protected on Wikipedia so that if I get a similar email from an LTA using the email user feature, it does not go to my personal email. Many people underestimate that users editing without an account can actually be very helpful with regards to solving issues. Again, thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 23:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I think you're probably better off further discussing this off Wikipedia using email, WP:IRC or WP:Discord. If you're being harassed by an LTA, then you probably should assume that they're watching your Wikipedia edits. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend Discord. We tend to avoid discussing these things on there per WP:DENY ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Uploading a non-free image for a deceased animal

Can I Upload a non-free image for a deceased animal. The rule seems to mention "person" but not sure if it extend to animals? for example, uploading an image to the article Injaz (about the cloned camel) or Ralph (rat) .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Theoretically this fair use rational can extend to famous deceased animals as well. Ruslik_Zero 13:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma: It possible to do so, but each use would still need to satisfy all ten non-free content use criteria. The problem with File:Injaz in 2009.jpg that you uploaded to use in Injaz is that it's attributed to the "Associated Press" and non-free photos attributed to press agencies and photo agencies are almost never allowed per WP:NFCC#2 (see item 7 of WP:NFC#UUI and WP:F7) unless the photo itself (not the subject of the photo, but the photo itself) is the subject of sourced critical commentary where it's intended to be used. It might be possible to use another non-free photo of Injaz, but that would also still need to satisfy all ten non-free content use criteria. One possible issue could be WP:FREER because a free alternative image of Injaz that can serve the same purpose as any non-free one might already exist or could possibly be created; moreover, unlike humans perhaps, different animals of the same species often look quite similar and thus it might be argued that an non-free image of Injaz might not be justified if the animal looks pretty much like a typical camel. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

philemon 12/20

wriy no dudes reward award. my profession study. 1981M.D.H7006 (talk) 00:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

If you have a question about Wikipedia, please ask it, intelligibly. -- Hoary (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Can someone help me find a short summary of WP:Notability?

Can someone help me find a short summary of WP:Notability? I just want a short summary. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

BloxyColaSweet, you'll find WP:Notability nutshelled in "This page in a nutshell", at the top of WP:Notability. -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much ☺ BloxyColaSweet (talk) 04:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

editing a page that is protected from editing

I wish to edit a page that has a special protection against editing. It apprently does allow some editing but only to special individuals or perhaps a non controversial edit. I am not in the former group, only now becoming a member, but I use Wikepedia frequently and give a yearly donation. I want to add a completely factual piece of information stating who voted against a UN Security Council Resolution. The article fails to mention that fact. How can I do this? Mrfixit4u (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You can make an edit request on the article talk page. You'll need to provide reliable sources to support your request. Note that donations have no effect on your ability to make changes. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. However, I still can't figure out how you do the edit. The talk page that comes up doesn't have a place for it. Mrfixit4u (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Like @David Biddulph said, you can make an edit request using the edit request wizard. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I get a page with I think it is called background, not visual so I find I am stymied. Too bad there isn't some useful video taking one step by step through the process in this kind of circumstance. Or perhaps there is. Mrfixit4u (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mrfixit4u: If you figured out how to ask for help on this page, the process is the same. Go to the article talk page. Start a new section. Write a proposal for the edit. Then wait. You can leave a note on my talk page when you're done and I can review your proposal. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing table cells

I'm editing an article in which there's a table with multiple columns: The Chosen (TV series). I figured out how to edit individual cells by double-clicking on them, but I've run into trouble trying to edit one cell because I can't change twelve to 12 (as in apostles) for consistency with other places in the article where numbers are spelled out.

Every time I try to make that change, the result is simply space where the spelled-out number was. Any ideas what's going on? Augnablik (talk) 00:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Never mind ... I discovered serendipitously that by doing a Search/Replace on twelve, it was possible to change the spelled-out word to the number.

But I think my original problem could be a technical issue worth looking into by Wiki tekkies. Augnablik (talk) 01:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Augnablik. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Numbers as figures or words allows both 12 and twelve. The Chosen (TV series) is about the twelve apostles of Jesus. I think twelve is usually spelled out in this context. Every occurrence in Apostles in the New Testament and Twelve Apostles (disambiguation) is spelled out. "The 12 apostles of Jesus" looks off to me. The Chosen (TV series)#Cast and characters said "twelve apostles" 12 times (once for each apostle) before your edit [28]. It sounds like you had a problem with one of the 12 occurrences but you didn't say which one. Please always be specific when you ask for help. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I thought MLA formatting was preferred in Wiki articles … but in any event, I wanted to change TWELVE to 12 for consistency with other numerical information in the same article, for which digits were used in the original. If they hadn’t been there, I would have left TWELVE alone for the same reasons you brought up.

I’m almost 100% sure that the cell I was referring to was the very first one in the table. Augnablik (talk) 02:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking more broadly at the context of tables, space is often at a premium, so "12" might be give better layout. A cast-table seems typically an "in universe" summary and this one is even identified as a brief description. Is it necessarty to say the number every time at all? Or even ever, since we already know the context? DMacks (talk) 07:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Can a non-celebrity receive notice if 100 years old or more?

Can a non-celebrity receive notice if 100 years old or more? Mosesbrazas (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mosesbrazas. Your question is not very clear, but I'm guessing it's about whether a particular centenarian could appear in a Wikipedia article. The answer, always, is that Wikipedia doesn't care whether a person is "a celebrity", whether they are popular, important, or outstanding in any other way unless and until they have been written about in several reliable sources that are unconnected with them.

If there are several articles about your centenarian in major newspapers (that do more than just mention them), or books written about them, then it is likely that they meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and there could be an article about them.

If you are asking whether their name could appear in one of the list articles such as List of centenarians (artists, painters and sculptors), then the answer is write the article first. ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll just add that there are an estimated half a million centenarians today, so it is not a particularly notable achievement. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:31, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing a picture caption (re:file page)

I would like to correct a picture caption in the Sammy Davis Jr article. The picture shows Davis along with other "Rat Pack" members standing in front of a sign. The caption says they were at the Cal-Neva Casino in Crystal Bay, Nevada, but this is a famous picture taken in front of the former Sands casino in Las Vegas. I tried to fix this, but there is a "file page" which says this picture is at Cal-Neva. By the way, the Wikipedia Rat Pack article has this same picture and the caption does say Las Vegas. Bunkyray5 (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Sammy Davis Jr.

Hello, Bunkyray5. The file name is File:Cal-Neva Casino, NV, Lake Tahoe, The Rat Pack 9-2010 (5782322671).jpg and the geographic data shows that the photo was taken at Lake Tahoe, not Las Vegas. Is everything on the file page wrong? Cullen328 (talk) 23:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is the Flickr page where the photo originated. That also identifies the location as the Cal-Neva Casino at Lake Tahoe. Cullen328 (talk) 23:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The photo in question is part of a four photo set on Flikr, and the other three photos clearly show the Cal-Neva and Lake Tahoe. Cullen328 (talk) 23:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response to my question. I looked at the Flickr page and I agree most of those pictures are from Lake Tahoe, but I still maintain the caption is wrong. I looked up "Rat Pack" in Google/Images and I see at least two examples of the entire picture, not just the bottom portion shown in Wikipedia. They show SANDS A PLACE IN THE SUN above the men. These are from the Las Vegas Sun and the New York Post. This is a famous picture from the 1960s. I've even seen it as a poster. Bunkyray5 (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

If what you are saying is is correct, Bunkyray5, then the image must be deleted as an improperly licensed copyright violation. Please request deletion at Wikimedia Commons. Cullen328 (talk) 09:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Changing a wikipedia pages name

Hi, so i created a wikipedia page for a footballer and i’ve been trying to change the name of the page from “User:TheBigFud/sandbox” to the actual name of the footballer i’ve made a page for, can anyone help me with this? TheBigFud (talk) 08:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, we have already an article at Ben Summers; I think it's the same person. Lectonar (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

TheBigFud The best place to create a draft article is via Articles for Creation; this provides the appropriate information to allow you to submit a draft for review. That information can be placed on a sandbox page as well, but as noted there is already an article existing about the person you wrote about- and your draft has no reliable sources to support its content, a must for articles about living people especially, but needed for any article. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@TheBigFud, I have left some links about citing sources on your talk page. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page get rejected. Can you please help me to make the edits

My Wikipedia page get rejected. Can you please help me to make the edits. What all are the changes i need to make in this article.

Here is the page link: User talk:Hakkim Shahjahan#Welcome! Hakkim Shahjahan (talk) 06:19, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hakkim Shahjahan: That link is to your talk page. You mean User:Hakkim Shahjahan/sandbox not your talk page. Your draft wasn't rejected, it was declined. Rejected means the topic is not suitable for Wikipedia. Declined means improvements may be possible.

It is best not to write about yourself on Wikipedia. What part of WP:NACTOR criteria do you meet?

Also see WP:Golden Rule to learn what we expect from the sources you cite. You have almost zero sources. Your sources need to be reliable, independent of you, and provide significant coverage of you. That is primarily why it was declined.

You are going about this WP:BACKWARD. You don't write an article first and then try to find sources. You find sources first, and only then you try to write an article based on what those sources say. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hakkim Shahjahan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have the wholly mistaken idea that Wikipedia is a place to tell the world about yourself, and further your career. It isn't.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If there are such independent sources about you, sufficient for your to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about you. You are discouraged from creating it yourself, because you are likely to find it hard to write in a sufficiently neutral style.

If an article is successfully created, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not be for your benefit except incidentally, and it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say: see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

I earnestly advise you to give up trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself, and put your promotional effort to places which allow you to do so. ColinFine (talk) 11:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)