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Mikhail Gorbachev

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The article is excessively long, about 17000 words. It also has some slight WP:NPOV and WP:MOS issues. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 15:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explain, what are those WP:NPOV and WP:MOS issues?--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back, I don’t think there are any significant NPOV issues. However, in terms of MOS, sentences like 'On 10 March 1985, Chernenko died.' may convey an unnecessarily emphatic tone. Overall, the tone throughout could be improved to sound more encyclopedic. While I initially said there were no NPOV issues, some examples, such as 'He would stop to talk to civilians on the street, forbade the display of his portrait at the 1985 Red Square holiday celebrations, and encouraged frank and open discussions at Politburo meetings,' come across as slightly biased and could benefit from a more neutral phrasing. And yes I used ChatGPT to fix my own phrasing. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 07:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the nom seems to be working on this, having spun out General secretaryship of Mikhail Gorbachev. There are also four citation needed tags that should be resolved (although I just added three of them and none seem particularly hard to rectify). charlotte ^👸🎄 06:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNs fixed by @LastJabberwocky (and me). charlotte ^👸🎄 01:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (talk) 09:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi All Tomorrows No Yesterdays do you still intend to work on this article? No worries if not. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I intend on summarizing the Leader of the Soviet Union section.but that's about it All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (talk) 09:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29 @Queen of Hearts @3E1I5S8B9RF7 any further comments? All Tomorrows No Yesterdays (Ughhh.... What did I do wrong this time?) 06:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you're working on summarising that section, no. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly didn't see any major issues with the article to begin with. To me, the reassessment was unnecessary. The article is long, but considering the importance of Gorbachev on history, it deserves this length.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 12:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

3E1I5S8B9RF7, I managed to summarise Genghis Khan, one of the most consequential figures in history, to FA standard in less than 10,000 words. This article has over 17,000. The length is simply not justifiable within Wikipedia summary style guidelines. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Genghis Khan is a good comparison; there is bound to be more available detail on a modern political figure than one of the 12–13th centuries, no matter how iconic. Some 20th C examples which are featured/good... Nelson Mandela 14,788 words, Jimmy Carter 15,286 words, Franklin D. Roosevelt 14,331 words, Winston Churchill 14,739 words. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:45, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a long article, but it's also a biography, which is one of those types of articles perhaps not as amenable to summary style as others. The obvious option for that would be to spin off the sections of chronology (Early life and education, Early CPSU career, Secretary of the Central Committee of CPSU, Leader of the Soviet Union (1985-1991), Unraveling of the USSR, and Post-USSR life), either together or individually (or a mix). Is there appetite for this? CMD (talk) 03:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]