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[edit]- Manji (film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This "article" is not about any specific film, but about 5 Japanese films that share same name. This isn't how we write articles here. I've tried to convert it to a dab page, but that was reverted. As it stands, this is just a random collection of words. Gonnym (talk) 09:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
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- I don't see any reason this shouldn't be merged to Quicksand (Tanizaki novel)#Adaptations, at least until the independent notability of individual adaptations can be shown. It's not a random collection, since all of the films discussed here are based on the same work. Dekimasuよ! 09:59, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Quicksand (Tanizaki novel)#Adaptations. The dab page created was a dab page with only circular links back to itself. But merging this information to the novel page, and then turning this into a redirect would be the best option.Onel5969 TT me 12:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The issue can be resolved through editing and does not need an AFd. The corresponding Jp article is a disamb (this can be one or even a WP:SETINDEX). The corresponding French/Italian/Korean articles are about the 1964 film, a notable film. No reason to delete. And no, the page is not a "random collection of words". -Mushy Yank. 13:21, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: As a Yasuzō Masumura film, there is no reason for not having an article for the 1964 adaptation of the novel. Because it's a Japanese film released over 60 years ago (and a niche film), it isn't simple and easy to find sources about it, but there are some: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 8, 9, 10. Streamlined content about the versions that followed can be included under an "Other adaptations" section. Pyxis Solitary (yak). Ol' homo. ⚢ 13:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Mr. Dude (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doubtful claim to notability: mentioned in a handful of local news articles in 2016, has seen no coverage in last 8 years. Not a single other article links here (this itself doesn't make it not notable, but suggests it has no enduring significance). PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 05:08, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NOTNEWS, essentially. It's true this isn't about an event so of course it doesn't directly apply, but this only received a flurry of hyper-local news coverage and is routine. SportingFlyer T·C 06:23, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Short-lived mascot used in one place, no indication of lasting impact. If there is anything more to this since then, perhaps a sentence or two at Tourism in Portland, Oregon may be appropriate since that mentions Travel Portland. Reywas92Talk 06:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment as author: I've merged the content to Travel Portland. No need for AfD. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Haruki Mitsuda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Footballer who fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Japanese Wikipedia only contains primary sources, except for: Gekisaka 1 which contains a few lines and is a weak support for notability; Gekisaka 2 which is a match report - does not support notability at all - and Nikkan Sports which is even less about Mitsuda. Geschichte (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 09:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merengue (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:GNG and has been kicking around unchanged since 2007. I could find no mention of this band anywhere online except for their own website linked in this article, which is written in Japanese. Kylemahar902 (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep A quick search indicates the subject meets WP:MUSICBIO#2. The group has had multiple songs in a national chart per WP:GOODCHARTS. See [1] and [2] and [3] and [4]. Several news stories linked here: [5]. Article needs expansion. ResonantDistortion 10:23, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per the notable singles mentioned above. Dekimasuよ! 10:00, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
- Kiteretsu Daihyakka (1988 TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Was previously draftified, and contested by creator. I could not find any sources apart from IMDb and IMDb-like websites. Fails notability due to lack of significant coverage. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:38, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: and improve with the sources on the corresponding article in Japanese. Did you check sources in Japanese, by any chance? 8 years on Fuji TV......The page was created yesterday!!!! -Mushy Yank. 22:28, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – Please give me some examples on sources providing significant coverage when it comes to TV programs, because I don't know any. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 15:57, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hussam Nabil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable, only trivial mentions of the person in references DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 13:46, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Tadahiro Aizawa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Insignificant amateur stone tool collector, fails WP:NACADEMIC. Subject is also not referenced in any WP:RSs per my WP:BEFORE. --Eelipe (talk) 02:54, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, perhaps speedily. This is a deeply flawed nomination of an author and archeologist of great fame. It is true that in 1946 after being demobilized he was an amateur when he made his first great discovery, however he later become the director of the Akagi Institute for Anthropological Studies. He received the Yoshikawa Eiji Prize. He has an official museum. There is a movie made about him. Oh, and he meets WP:ANYBIO(3) since he has entries in multiple biographical dictionaries as can be seen here, including: 20th Century Japanese Name Dictionary, Shogakukan Encyclopedia Nipponica, Yamakawa Japanese History Dictionary, Digital Japanese Name Dictionary. Fulmard (talk) 07:48, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Canadian NINJAs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable pro wrestling tag team. Just worked on the independet promotions. No in deep coverage about the team from third party sources. [6] A few mentions of them winning the title, but most of the sources are WP:ROUTINE results from events no focusing around them HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Trivial coverage from what I see. I can't find anything about this pair either, likely not meeting notability for athletes. Oaktree b (talk) 00:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Confucian fascism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article is mostly WP:SYNTH it was originally built around two sources - a single-sentence mention in a textbook: "A second major effort of the Blue Shirts involved Chiang's New Life Movement, a campaign that began in 1934 in order to spread the fascist spirit and challenge the antitraditionalism of the May Fourth period," and a single paper Frederic Wakeman wrote in the 1990s and that was significantly misinterpreted by the article since Wakeman is ambivalent about whether the New Life Movement was in fact fascist, noting that the "fascism" accusations mostly arose from missionaries, that the nationalism of the Blue Shirts was not dissimilar to Maoist revivalist nationalism and to prior nationalist movements in China and that Chiang was known not to want to associate his movements with European fascism. Neither of these two sources mention Japan at all which makes the inclusion of the third source (only three were used by the article) entirely synthetic qua the other two. A single sentence in a single textbook and a failure to properly read a second source are insufficient grounds for an article. Simonm223 (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Clarification: the Wakeman source makes mention to the Japanese occupation of parts of China in the context of motivations for Chinese nationalism but makes no connections between Japanese nationalist movements and Chinese nationalist movements. Simonm223 (talk) 13:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Kiri Paramore, ed. (2016). Japanese Confucianism. Cambridge University Press. p. 186:
Epilogue China and Japan earlier late-nineteenth-century disestablishment of Confucianism and divorce from other social practices in the immediate post-Meiji Restoration period made it easy prey for later cooption by the powerful modern ideological forces of racial nationalism, radical conservatism, and later fascism that arose from within that cultural nationalist movement. The reason Confucianism was easily harnessed to these causes was not primarily related to any particular content in Confucian thought. It was rather because Confucianism's social disengagement allowed it to be easily monopolized by those in authority, thereby quashing Confucianism's capacities to promote diversity, critical thought, and critical activism. This despite the fact that, as the central chapters of this book argued, these capacities existed and were powerfully realized in many earlier historical manifestations of Confucianism.
ProKMT (talk) 00:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
Mainland China today is experiencing similar problems of industrial high modernity to Japan in the mid-twentieth century, including extreme wealth disparity, environmental degradation, and unequal development. As in Japan, the early phases of Chinese modernization, both under the KMT and the CCP, saw the destruction of most institutional nodes for the social integration of Confucianism. Just as in Japan, China in the modern period also saw Confucianism, its spaces and its practices, deci- mated (Yu 2004: 55). The Confucian revival in China today is thus occurring in a similar socio-political climate and in similar circumstances of Confucian social and institutional disconnection as Japan in the mid- twentieth century. Current attempts to resurrect Confucianism in China as a social movement need to start from scratch because most of the social frameworks which formerly supported Confucian activity were destroyed during modernization. As scholarship on this kind of revival in contem- porary China indicates, resurrecting a tradition from scratch requires a particularly heavy subordination to the state and other institutions of power (Billioud 2015). As discussed in Chapter 6, it was revival under exactly these kinds of conditions which facilitated the rise of Confucian fascism in 1930s Japan. - Weak Keep. The reason I created a Confucian fascism article was because a certain Mickie-Mickie attempted to tie Chiangism, White Terror (Taiwan), Blue Shirts Society, the New Life Movement articles to the fascist category, [7][8][9][10] and I opposed such an attempt. I made the article as a compromise. However, I am not against deleting the article. ProKMT (talk) 00:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also support merge, which redirects the article to New Life Movement. ProKMT (talk) 09:15, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Kiri Paramore, ed. (2016). Japanese Confucianism. Cambridge University Press. p. 186:
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- Merge with Confucianism#Criticism as an ATD. Agree with nom that this does not merit a standalone article but some coverage could be added there on the New Life Movement and its connections to Confucianism and fascism. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:08, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as original research. Creating a page as a "compromise" with unacceptable editing is not an acceptable justification or proof of notability. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not seeing evidence of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. As far as I can see, of the three sources cited in the article, the only one that discusses the idea of Confucian fascism is the Wakeman article, which seems to have coined it as a provocative and snappy phrase, not an established concept or analysis. The source seems to use the term "Confucian fascism" only twice, both times in quotation marks:
The title of this article deliberately (and perhaps too provocatively) uses the term "Confucian fascism" to invoke the remarkable blend of Chinese and Western components that went into the founding of the Blue Shirts and that made this movement something other than either traditional personalism or modern fascism.
Were the missionaries right? Was Chiang's regime, after all, a fascist form of government, in intent if not in fact? In truth, "Confucian fascism" remained iconically ambiguous.
- This is not enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or to write a verifiable Wikipedia article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 23:05, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Nagadai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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In this disambiguation page, none of the articles listed have titles related to "Nagadai". It is unclear why this page was created. ZyphorianNexus Talk 10:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. If a disambiguation page has nothing to do with the articles it contains, it need not exist. Eelipe (talk) 16:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Looking at open AfDs, I am also nominating the following related pages because they follows the same format:
- Fukudai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), originally nominated by me
- Hirodai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), originally nominated by me
- Kyukodai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), originally nominated by Miminity
Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Also nominating:
- Shidai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Shindai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Aidai (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Hokudai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Meidai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Delete: Based on my understanding, "dai" is the Japanese equivalent of saying "uni" instead of university, so these disambiguation pages are basically for "Naga uni". Given the double step from shortening to "Naga Uni" to the Japanese usage of "Nagadai", I do not think this is an appropriate disambiguation page for the English Wikipedia, but I'm happy to be corrected. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Removing my delete !vote after further consideration. I haven't landed on a new !vote yet. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Lean keep per my comments to Absurdum4242 below. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete clearly case of WP:DABPARTIAL. Also "Dai" is the shorten term for University in Japanese. (shorten for Daigaku) Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Um, no it isn't. Daigaku is always just that; the shortened form only occurs in contractions of university names. Imaginatorium (talk) 19:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment Okay, please bear in mind that I only took Japanese for a couple years and it's been a while, and nor do I get a lot of nuances. 長大, when read as ながだい / nagadai, is actually an abbreviation for Nagano University and Nagaoka University. [11]2 . However, 長大 is apparently read as choudai when referring to Nagasaki University. So neither of the deletion arguments works right now. That being said, I'm not entirely sure who will be typing in an abbreviation in romaji on the English Wikipedia. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete all. It's not appropriate for this Wikipedia. Bearian (talk) 06:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete all - unlikely search terms. --John B123 (talk) 06:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Unnecessary disambiguations for non-notable nicknames are just silly. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep If the term is one which may be searched for, then the disambiguation page is a good one. Same rationale for Hirodai. Such pages conform to WP:DISAMBIG because "for [the] word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing English Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead."The foreign language argument is a red herring. For example, we disambiguate Jiaoda and Beida as Jiaotong and Peking Universities. Slightly less straightfoward example is how we disambiguate Shida to various Chinese universities (and other topics). Oblivy (talk) 05:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I have moved Oblivy's comment from the Fukudai discussion, which I have procedurally closed. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 06:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Jiaoda and Beida are redirects, not the titles for disambiguation pages. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- I acknowledge that below, with respect to whether the target article has to include the search term. But I think of disambiguation and redirect as serving two serve similar functions -- under WP:NOPRIMARY two redirects can equal a disambiguation page -- and think the two redirects I mentioned are of value for discussion. Oblivy (talk) 21:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Is there a source for Kyukodai being an abbreviation for Kurume Institute of Technology - and if so, how's it written? I've only found uses of it for Kyushu Institute of Technology (as 九工大, e.g. in names of stations near the campuses). Adam Sampson (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- And there seem to be slightly more hits for Kyushukodai (九州工大) for the latter... Adam Sampson (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I have moved Adam Sampson's comments from the Kyukodai discussion, which I have procedurally closed. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 06:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Not appropriate for English Wikipedia, I agree with Significa liberdade, Thanks for the ping. I reviewed it because it was just a disambiguation. I will keep this in my mind for future. Taabii (talk) 07:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- 九工大 (valid abbreviation in kanji [12]) is read as ききゅうこうだい / kyuukoudai not "kyukodai" so that's horribly mistitled. Delete as an obvious error. Sorry, closer, that's the last clear vote you're getting from me. 広大/ひろだい/hirodai is used to refer to Hiroshima University and Hirosaki[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] in several English academic journals, websites, and books but the primary topic is doubtlessly the monotypic genus of parasites named for Hiroshima University.[20][21]. Given the fact that this one actually is apparently used in English, keep? But the genus is the primary topic, undoubtedly, so keep and retitle to encourage creation? Or maybe delete, then when the next UPE gaming AP makes the genus page, add a hatnote? Or temporarily redirect to Hiroshima, because my sources seem to indicate that's the primary topic of the two(at least in English, probably in Japanese too) and add a hatnote to it instead? and then replace Fukudai is actually a dab page at jaWiki under a kanji ja:福大, and two of the universities seems to actually use it in their English-language publishing [22][23] but also it has made its way over to English language publications as a fairly common species name, [24][25][26][27][28][29] presumably after one of the universities? (Anybody feel like finding some 1960s and 1970s Japanese entomology journals and finding out?) Also, it's mentioned (unsourced) at University of Fukui and Fukushima University. If a redirect was made from Fukudai to either of those, it would end up at RfD and the result would likely be disambiguate. So it's not unreasonable that somebody will be searching for the word "fukudai" in English, but at the same time, we can't list any of the species names.. but to make it even more complicated, I actually know the word Fukudai as a series of maths problems and methods for calculating determinants[30] pg 136, so it would probably be a valid redirect if we had an article on that method, which we should because it appears to pass the GNG in modern English-language sources, never mind earlier ones, but also it appears to be much more a partial match and therefore I give up and I regret doing a BEFORE because I am loosing my mind trying, and unfortunately succeeding in finding ways these might be useful. I'm probably going to end up with Oblivy on these. Also, RfDing any of these (except for the mistake and Nagadai bc I can't find that used in English in this context, and, believe me, I've looked) would doubtless result in a result to disambiguate. To the closer: I am sorry. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any evidence at all that these strings are related to short forms of university names. Is it not vastly more likely for example that "Hirodai" is pseudo-Latin for a person called Hiroda? And fukudai (副題) is an ordinary word meaning "subtopic". Imaginatorium (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, we're not a Japanese dictionary, so whether or not these are oridinary Japanese words or commonly used in Japanese isn't actually going to be a deciding factor. I'm looking for evidence that these words are used in English to refer to other the universities, or other topics. I've found that evidence for Fukudai, Hirodai, and Hokudai. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any evidence at all that these strings are related to short forms of university names. Is it not vastly more likely for example that "Hirodai" is pseudo-Latin for a person called Hiroda? And fukudai (副題) is an ordinary word meaning "subtopic". Imaginatorium (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep after finding this on googling "Fukudai" and this at "Aidai". Both seem enough to justify a redirect, and if there are multiple potential redirects from the same term then we need a dab page. I haven't checked all the others, but having found two out of two suggests that these are probably all valid dab pages. PamD 09:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also Hirodai here and here: both being used on English-language sites of the university itself. These aren't "non-notable nicknames" but are short forms used by the respective universities. These dab pages should be kept. PamD 09:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - not appropriate or needed for English-language Wikipedia. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep in most cases. I wouldn't agree that these are unlikely search terms in English. These abbreviations for universities show up fairly regularly in English translations of Japanese fiction - there are an awful lot of manga, anime and light novel stories set in high schools, so it's common for characters to talk about or visit universities. I'd go with Delete if there's no evidence that the abbreviation is correct (e.g. I'm not sure about one of the targets for Kyukodai as above), but otherwise it seems reasonable to have them as redirects or disambigs. Adam Sampson (talk) 13:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The question (obviously) is: what are these redirects for? How will they be used? And a valid answer would be that in some cases a reader has come across the contracted name of a Japanese university and wants to know about it. That is the plus; what is the minus? Well, when the reader comes across, perhaps "Tōdai", it is a romanisation of 東大, the short form of 東京大学. But a real dictionary (大辞林) lists five words with the reading 'tōdai', the first and most obvious being lighthouse (灯台), and including 東大 as the last. And of course, this is likely to get mangled as todai, some sort of mediaeval tax on paddyfields. So it gives a totally wrong impression that anything in Japanese that ended up as the string "todai" (more or less) refers to a university. See my comment above on the supposed insect names etc above. It also seems odd to start talking about reading fiction: if a novel translated from Polish talks about a "Reading University", how likely is it that this is actually distinguished from a "Writing University". Fundamentally Japanese has so many homophones that this sort of redirect is not reliable. The short forms are used very commonly, but only in appropriate context. Imaginatorium (talk) 19:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
supposed insect names
I take issue with "supposed" here, as it implies I made them up. I found scientific papers about these insects under those names. They have been used. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)- Yes, of course the insect names are correct, but they fairly obviously have nothing to do with the contractions used for university names. What is your evidence of "Fukudai" being used in English to refer to the university? Imaginatorium (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, did you get access to the old Japanese entomology journals then? I'm assuming the insects were most likely named after people called Fukudai (Like V. fukudai is) or after one of the universities. But, if you found the answer to then I suppose we'd better move on to that evidence you requested. Here you go! [31][32][33] GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, of course the insect names are correct, but they fairly obviously have nothing to do with the contractions used for university names. What is your evidence of "Fukudai" being used in English to refer to the university? Imaginatorium (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Its the equivalent of an acronym in English - it’s basically… ok, so imagine that there were several universities which all used the acronym UCLA. UCLA is not the actual name of any of them, it’s the acronym, but anyone searching for one of them using the acronym is going to be confused by the fact there are several all using the same acronym. It’s that. Anyone searching for Nagadai hoping to get information about Nagaoka University is going to be confused if they get information about Nagano University, or in fact Nagasaki University, which is the other university I definitely know uses Nagadai as a completely normal acronym (I went to the uni down the road, but did stuff there). Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:25, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Would this be the equivalent of something like U of W? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Yes! Dead on that. Good catch @Significa liberdade, it’s pretty much exactly the same as that, meaning if this page is deleted, really all those “U of W” type pages need deleted too. Absurdum4242 (talk) 09:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Would this be the equivalent of something like U of W? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Based on this I have some follow-up comments. "U of W" is an English abbreviation, which makes it appropriate for the English Wikipedia. Thus, I think the question is whether Japanese-language abbreviations are appropriate. To determine that, I think it's worth seeing if a) these abbreviations are used in English materials and b) if we have other disambiguation pages for non-English shortenings. Another consideration is that we often keep non-English redirects if they relate to the target page, which would be the case here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Many of the articles linked to from these dab pages don't mention the term. Neither of the articles linked from Nagadai mentions the term. The same applies to Kyukodai. In others there is only one article linked to that mentions the dab term. Applying MOS:DABNOMENTION, Nagadai and Kyukodai would be eligible for WP:G14 deletion and others should be changed to redirects. --John B123 (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: At present, we have DABs for references such as U of M. The first item is University of Maine, which does not mention U of M in the article. However, I would argue it makes sense to innumerable people that it would be called the U of M. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- If University of Maine is referred to as U of M then this should be included in the article and suitably referenced. Its not our place here or the purpose of a dab page to speculate on what abbreviations or nicknames a university is referred to as however logical the reasoning is. This is why MOS:DABNOMENTION has been agreed by the community. That aside, it could be argued that U of M not complying with DABNOMENTION falls under WP:OTHERSTUFF. --John B123 (talk) 23:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Taking my example above Peking University doesn't include the term "beida" in its text (OK, in one of the citation article titles) even though it's unquestionably a prevalent nickname and possible search term. Beida is a redirect, where the guideline is a bit softer at "unlikely to be useful". I agree that MOS:DABMENTION supports your position but the alternative to deletion, to not sweep away all these disambig pages, would be to add the mention to each redirected article (perhaps with a little {{cn}} next to it). Except for Fukudai, which @GreenLipstickLesbian seems to have sorted out, cite-wise. Oblivy (talk) 02:27, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Surely WP:BURDEN prevents us from adding a mention with {{cn}} tag? Following some of the points made during this discussion I'm swaying towards changing my !vote. However for this to happen the pages need to comply with MOS:DAB. Whilst I have no reason to disbelieve anybody who knows a university is referred to by one of the terms, per WP:V this is not enough. Nor in my view is the name of a nearby bus stop or station sufficient evidence. They may well have been named in reference to the university, but may have been named after something else. I'm also concerned about partial matches, for example Hokudai lists Tohoku University but the article gives Tohokudai as its colloquial name. --John B123 (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Taking my example above Peking University doesn't include the term "beida" in its text (OK, in one of the citation article titles) even though it's unquestionably a prevalent nickname and possible search term. Beida is a redirect, where the guideline is a bit softer at "unlikely to be useful". I agree that MOS:DABMENTION supports your position but the alternative to deletion, to not sweep away all these disambig pages, would be to add the mention to each redirected article (perhaps with a little {{cn}} next to it). Except for Fukudai, which @GreenLipstickLesbian seems to have sorted out, cite-wise. Oblivy (talk) 02:27, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- If University of Maine is referred to as U of M then this should be included in the article and suitably referenced. Its not our place here or the purpose of a dab page to speculate on what abbreviations or nicknames a university is referred to as however logical the reasoning is. This is why MOS:DABNOMENTION has been agreed by the community. That aside, it could be argued that U of M not complying with DABNOMENTION falls under WP:OTHERSTUFF. --John B123 (talk) 23:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: per PamD. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 12:41, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Beyblade X season 1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:REDUNFORK of List of Beyblade X episodes
Also nominating the second season for the same reason:
Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It's a redundant fork. There are only two seasons, so having both seasons only under List of Beyblade X episodes would be the wisest move. Eelipe (talk) 16:48, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Greetings, Miminity! Just came to my notice today that both the articles were put on deletion. I have made few changes to the two articles. I also did some changes to this article, fearing it may fall under WP:REDUNFORK. Let me know your thoughts on it. Thank you and have a great day! VizDsouz (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: Per MOS:TVEPISODELIST (
For very lengthy series, generally 80+ episodes, it may be necessary to break the episode list into individual season or story arc lists.
andIf this is done, the main list of episodes should still contain the entire episode list, appropriately sectioned, without the episode summaries.
) Beyblade X currently has 64 episodes and will eventually have 80 episodes. Media Mender 📬✍🏻 10:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC) - Merge with Beyblade X season 1 And rename page as simply Beyblade X, just like other programs with several seasons they should just be on one page. OhNoKaren (talk) 19:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Currently at 64 episodes, the episode count is expected to rise beyond 80. For such a series, having these two articles will be reliable in the future. VizDsouz (talk) 05:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Genlin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Highly promotional and of very questionable notability over a WP:SUSTAINED period. Amigao (talk) 03:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep Agree that the article as written seems quite promotional in tone, and it seems there might possible be conflict on interest concerns, but those are both things to be fixed through editing, not AfD nominations. If you want to go through and reword all the promotional parts, have at it. There seems to be more than enough coverage to establish notability though (some sources aren’t great, but there are enough that are to establish notability). As for WP:SUSTAINED arguments… I see sources from 2016 - 2024 so I can’t see how it applies here? Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, definitely needs cleanup but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Keep but WP:STUBIFY is appropriate. DCsansei (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Agree that the article as written seems quite promotional in tone, and it seems there might possible be conflict on interest concerns, but those are both things to be fixed through editing, not AfD nominations. If you want to go through and reword all the promotional parts, have at it. There seems to be more than enough coverage to establish notability though (some sources aren’t great, but there are enough that are to establish notability). As for WP:SUSTAINED arguments… I see sources from 2016 - 2024 so I can’t see how it applies here? Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete The article seems to have a circular logic to it. Genlin is notable for funding World Dog Alliance, but I cannot find RS to show World Dog Alliance is notable. The whole table in the middle Contributions by Genlin/ World Dog Alliance conflates the two and can be considered original research.
for example The joint efforts of Genlin and lobbyists succeeded in convincing Republic Congressman Jeff Denham to include a ban on dog meat consumption into the 2018 Farm Bill passed on 12 December 2018 in the House of Representatives. The bill obtained bipartisan support, notably from Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings, who had earlier co-sponsored a separate bill to Congress (H.R. 1406 - To amend the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit the slaughter of dogs and cats for human consumption[1]) to ban consumption of dog and cat meat but did not succeed in garnering enough support for a standalone bill on animal rights. The 2018 Farm Bill was successfully passed alongside with other agricultural and food policies.
the footnote is to the actual bill which does not mention either Genlin or World Dog Alliance. Many other blocks of text in the table do the same thing, state that Genlin has affected some sort of change without proper citations.
I cannot see how this article can be stubified. I am hampered by lack of Chinese. I realize that WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, but this falls under WP:TNT.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:32, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Wouldn't the passage cited as original research be essentially the same as those promotional parts that Absurdum4242 had already suggested for re-wording / taking out? To suggest taking down the entire page because of those parts seems drastic when the rest of the page is properly referenced. This would be more WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP to me rather than WP:TNT. As previous commentators suggested, there are enough references that are good enough here albeit in different languages. Genlin is Chinese / Japanese, and it must be expected that some of his related sources will be Chinese. With instant translation easier than ever on most browsers, language barrier seems to be a very low bar to suggest for page deletion in my opinion. As for the point about the passage being circular and Genlin being conflated with Word Dog Alliance, I have found another source from 2024 on Chosun Daily (Korea's largest newspaper media, printed in Korean) which is a feature article on the works of both. If a reputable media can print a story about the two together because the two are inherently close, I cannot see why it should pose a reason for suggesting this page be taken down. Here is the link to article I mentioned (please forgive my relative lack of Wiki finesse here meaning I cannot put this into a reference section) -- https://www.chosun.com/international/2024/02/27/ODZKDBS6QJG4NOAZFTST4SQJH4/
- The same article would also seem to suggest that Genlin is in fact close with Jeff Denham (quoted in the block of texts in question) as the two travel together to South Korea to meet the Korean legislators there to discuss laws to stop the dog meat trade. That being said the particular passage in question still lacks proper citations and I do agree a few other parts of the page also needs rewriting / taken out and/or better citations. EAWDA (talk) 04:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here is another source on the BBC from 2018 quoting World Dog Alliance. This source was not cited on this Wiki page but I reckon it adds to the point about it being notable.
- https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45085514 EAWDA (talk) 07:18, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Text - H.R.1406 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): To amend the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit the slaughter of dogs and cats for human consumption". www.congress.gov. 23 March 2017. Retrieved 18 January 2025.
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- Keep as per my reply to WomenArtistUpdates above (didn't realize the existence of a 3rd discussion at the time of my posting, so my entries above should've been posted here given the timing of my comments was after this 3rd discussion started. If anyone feels it necessary for me to delete my comments above and repost them here please let me know). EAWDA (talk) 09:29, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Comments EAWDA has !voted twice. I stand by my opinion that this is article does not show notability of either Genlin or World Dog Alliance. Below is a source assessment table which shows the number of primary sources, press releases, and irrelevant citations. Looking at the history of the page, the overwhelming activity is from SPAs. World Dog Alliance draft was rejected back in [34] I hope another editor can weigh in on this article to create a consensus. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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Shanghai university passing mention of Peng Hongling as an honorary director | ✘ No | |||
Puffy biographical info on WDA (primary source) | ✘ No | |||
page from wayback machine. I cannot translate text | ? Unknown | |||
interview with puffy interview | ✘ No | |||
page from wayback machine. I cannot translate text | ? Unknown | |||
page from wayback machine. I cannot translate text | ? Unknown | |||
page from wayback machine. I cannot translate text | ? Unknown | |||
Wenhui Daily News | culture listing for anti-consumption of dog meat with puffy interview of Peng Hongling | ? Unknown | ||
South China Morning Post | promo piece in the weekend section | ? Unknown | ||
IMDB | IMDB | ✘ No | ||
IMDB | IMDB | ✘ No | ||
Animal Protection Association of the Republic of China | NGO promotion of World Dog Day | ? Unknown | ||
article covering the passage of "Taiwan: Animal Protection Law Amended' no mention of Peng Hong Ling | ✘ No | |||
NewTalk 新頭殼 | ~ Peng Hong Ling comment on the passage of "Animal Protection Act" | ? Unknown | ||
An open letter from the Movement Group to President Tsai "Incorporating Animal Protection into the Constitution" | OpEd | ✘ No | ||
Lobbying Firm Profile: Missy Edwards Strategies | passing mention of World Dog Alliance an a donor | ✘ No | ||
Lobbying Firm Profile: Prime Policy Group | passing mention of World Dog Alliance an a donor | ✘ No | ||
passing mention of World Dog Alliance an a donor | ✘ No | |||
Animal Friendly Network | churnalish about "The World Dog Alliance (WDA), which is committed to promoting legislation in the United States, is the source of this huge wave" | ✘ No | ||
not mentioned in this legislative listing | ✘ No | |||
not mentioned in this legislative listing | ✘ No | |||
petition on World Dog Alliance site (primary) | ✘ No | |||
PRESS RELEASE: Paid Content from ACCESS Newswire. The AP news staff was not involved in its creation. | ✘ No | |||
no mention of Genlin | ✘ No | |||
article about dog meat. no mention of Genlin | ✘ No | |||
article about 'Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs: Dogs have been "specialized" as companion animals and should not be included in livestock and poultry management.' no mention of Genlin | ✘ No | |||
WORLD ANIMAL NEWS | Victory! Jakarta Bans The Dog & Cat Meat Trade Making It The 21st Jurisdiction In Indonesia To End The Barbaric Industry - no mention of Genlin | ✘ No | ||
PRESS RELEASE: Paid Content from ACCESS Newswire. The AP news staff was not involved in its creation. | ✘ No | |||
Written Evidence submitted by World Dog Alliance (WDA)(AAB0002) | primary source | ✘ No | ||
mention of World Dog Alliance as one of the supporting organizations | ✘ No | |||
"Could Chinese millionaire be reason for real estate industry nightmare?". | paywalled, but lloks like an article about the purchase of real estate in LA. | ? Unknown | ||
article on World Dog Alliance site. (primary) | ✘ No | |||
paywalled | ? Unknown | |||
press release | ✘ No | |||
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- Note that my keep above is not based on sources that are currently in the article and I suggested WP:STUBIFY is appropriate. The source assessment shows no indication that a WP:BEFORE search has been complete. There is substantial coverage of his lawsuit against his former property broker for misrepresenting his house's square footage (including secondary coverage about its effects on the real estate market) [35] with national coverage in ABC [36] and the New York Times [37]. There's also coverage of his attempt to buy a seat in the Japanese Diet [38]. A number of articles used in the Japanese Wikipedia article also appear to be significant coverage [39] [40] [41] [42]. Note that most of the sources I found are only in Japanese (or Chinese used in the Japanese Wikipedia) so it's very likely that if someone who is competent in Chinese were to do a native-language search for sources more would be found, but I think this provides more than enough to meet the minimum for GNG. DCsansei (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Comment DCsansei has !voted twice. Also noting that There is substantial coverage of his lawsuit against his former property broker for misrepresenting his house's square footage
does not move this dilettante millionaire anywhere closer to notable --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC).
Delete. The claim of notability in the first paragraph is "named as an Outstanding Alumni" of their university and that is not a good sign as this is not a highly prestigious award that would indicate that they are regarded as an important figure. The sources I have checked as well as the source assessment table above make clear that this is not a notable topic as it has not received significant, sustained coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Asparagusstar (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
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Comment: providing another source assessment (first time doing one, please excuse template mistakes) below with the sources ignored in the one above. DCsansei (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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✔ Yes | ||||
✔ Yes | ||||
✔ Yes | ||||
The website is a vertical of Sankei Shimbun | ~ He is discussed but only as one of the examples | ~ Partial | ||
HK01 | ✔ Yes | |||
Unclear if he is affiliated | Unclear | ? Unknown | ||
Wen Wei Po is a Chinese-government newspaper | ? Unknown | |||
Appears to be news produced by Sina Corporation | ✔ Yes | |||
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