User talk:Sven Manguard/2014 Q2

April

Your GA nomination of Charlie Murder

The article Charlie Murder you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Charlie Murder for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Taylor Trescott -- Taylor Trescott (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Patrick Rothfuss

Go on then, surprise me. What "completely out of line" comments have I made? Perhaps it was when I accused a professional photographer of "badly executed pseudo-religious iconography"? How about when I accused someone who disagreed with me of "high school debate tactics"? Perhaps it's when I declared myself chair of the discussion and ordered someone else "cease commenting"? If you want to enter dialogue with me about my actions, do so on my talk page. But, if you choose to do so, be ready with examples, and make sure your nose is clean... J Milburn (talk) 18:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup error

Hi there- this is just a quick note to apologise for a small but important mistake in the last WikiCup newsletter; it is not 64 users who will progress to the next round, but 32. J Milburn (talk) 18:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Patrick Rothfuss, etc.

Sven, if you've been to User:JMilburn's user page, you've seen that it features a photo of Friedrich Nietzsche. The phrase, "Human, all too human," made famous by Nietzsche, is intended as a slightly ironic commentary on the extended ... discussion? ... regarding the Patrick Rothfuss FP nomination. See: Human, All Too Human. Sca (talk) 23:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding "Non-free images of living people are not allowed. See WP:NFCC criterion #1"

I'm just curious of your thoughts on screenshots of living people that seem to be rampant in such Categories as Category:Screenshots of music videos. For example there are 14 fair-use images of Beyonce Knowles in there. Regards, —  dainomite   23:44, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that in that case, people are arguing that it's the music video, and not the person, that's being illustrated. I am, I suspect, the wrong person to ask. Not only am I strongly opposed to the use of non-free images on WMF projects in general, but I am extremely strongly opposed to how screenshots (and album covers) are used today. There is a prevailing sense that song articles are entitled to a non-free screenshot from the music video and a non-free album cover, and therefore no real effort is put into justifying the encyclopedic value of the images, and the FUR gets phoned in. Out of the 1,557 screenshots on the project, I doubt that more than a dozen or two would be kept if the community adopted a strict, case-by-case review of whether the screenshot was warranted under NFCC criteria #8. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha, I was just curious what you thought since you said Non-free images of living people weren't allowed but there sure seems to be a lot of them all over the project. I also dislike how it seems as if every music album/song page has as a non-free image that seems to be a "freebie", which seems especially prevalent regarding album covers. —  dainomite   04:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Hey Sven, this is just to say thanks for your great work at DYK. Four sets loaded. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 19:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Victuallers. I have two DYKs that I wrote myself (Floyd Morris and Stanley Redwood), and one DYK that I approved (Hurricane Juan). I assume that I cannot move those three into prep areas on my own? Sven Manguard Wha? 20:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor

I appreciated your edit summary when approving Template:Did you know nominations/Darin Ruf ... it made me chuckle :-) By the way, I know your last RfA was more than two years ago, and you are still a highly valued contributor within the community. You really ought to run again, and if you are looking for nominators (though I am sure you could find several already admins), I would be willing. Long-term editors such as yourself ought to be admins, especially when they have need for the tools, as Q1 in your first RfA indicates. Either way, thanks for the edit summary :-) Go Phightins! 12:55, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Seconded. I'm not sure if you want the bit here, but we could definitely benefit from you having it. TLSuda (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Right now I have a lot of other projects on my plate that I'm enjoying, and so I don't feel that it's the best time. I'm gunning for one of these (I'm at 16 now), and I am still in the WikiCup. Perhaps I will revisit adminship in a few months. Thank you very much for the offer, though. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Archiving

@Sven Manguard:, I realize you are very busy, but I was hoping you could take a moment to help me set up an archive like what you've done. Right now, I have only a basic archive that I've upgraded once a few days ago, and hope it will work properly. Thx in advance Atsme☯ talk 16:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I archive everything manually, generally towards the end of each month. How often you should archive your user talk page, and how many messages you put in each archive, are personal choices. I have a separate archive for each quarter, so that if I know when I got a message, I always know which archive it is in. There are no requirements for archives, and some people don't even use them, but it's generally considered a good idea to keep archive pages under 100,000 bytes, just so that they load easier.

The links to the archive, as well as the box on the right hand side of the user talk page, are in User talk:Sven Manguard/Header, which appears at the top of my user talk page because I am transcluding that page by putting {{User talk:Sven Manguard/Header}} at top of my user talk page (take a look at the first line here).

I will set it up for you if you ask, but everything that I have up there I created through trial and error, and I recommend that you give it a try yourself, first. Knowing how to put it together means that you'll be able to fix it yourself if it breaks, and you'll know how to replicate it if you need to. Let me know if you have any questions. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

@Sven Manguard: thank you very much for the info. I've taken note of the process, and will follow your good advice to set it up myself. Thank you for inviting me to contact you if I have further questions. Lifeguards are a comfort to someone treading deep water. Atsme☯ talk 18:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Stanley Redwood

Thanks from the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Floyd Morris

Thank you for your help Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

You're invited!

NE Meetup #5: April 19th at Clover Food Lab in Kendall Square

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A Barnstar for You!

	Jamaican Barnstar of National Merit
	For your excellent expansion of Oswald Harding. Keep it up! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Oswald Harding

Hello! Your submission of Oswald Harding at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Soman (talk) 10:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

thanks for the (audio-enhanced) dyk review!

Thanks for reviewing Harris Goldsmith! It's not the first time I've used a radio clip as a source, but it might be the first time I used it to support a dyk hook. I probably should have given a time indication for a reviewer; sorry about that! I hope that, at least, the interview was interesting to you... Cmprince (talk) 10:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Even if I had the exact times, I still had to listen to the whole thing to check for close paraphrasing, so it was no biggie on my end. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

POTD notification

POTD

Hi Sven,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Visible Pinball III - Pacific Pinball Museum cropped.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on April 26, 2014. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2014-04-26. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• Just a note: owing to a request to have something about Shakespeare on the 26th, I've moved this to May 11. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Seumas McNally Grand Prize

slakr^\ talk / 18:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Oswald Harding

slakr^\ talk / 18:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Prep sets

Hi Sven, I just wanted to compliment you on jumping in there and assembling prep sets one after another! Now the queues don't look so empty all the time ...

I wonder if I could suggest that you try to shuffle the bio and non-bio hooks in each set, so that no more than 2 bios appear in a row. Those non-bio hooks are a nice "refresher" for people reading through all the hooks at one go. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem Yoninah. Have I ever done that with the bios? I do occasionally have two bios back to back, but I don't remember having ever done three back to back. In fact, I've been struggling with a shortage of bios lately. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I see it on the Main Page right now (in the set led by the Woody Guthrie song), and it's also in Queue 1 – 4 bios in a row and then 2 non-bios. Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Jesus Christ is Risen Today

Sven, I was wondering whether you could please give your opinion on the new ALT2 proposed by Gerda here, specifically whether it satisfies your previous concerns or not. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

BlueMoonset - I still dislike it, for the same reason, but will not actively oppose it in that form. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Reward Board

Hi Sven, I've been alerted to an apparent bounty for getting Dishonored to FA status? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. I was wondering if you'd decide to claim it. Shoot me an email with your Steam account (using the Email this user link, while logged in as Darkwarriorblake), and I will send the game over. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Darkwarriorblake. If you've sent me an email, I haven't received it. I don't know when this started becoming a problem, but cyberpower678 also ran into it. If you've already sent me an email, send me another, and this time leave me a {{YGM}} message. If you haven't already sent me a message, and you intend to do so, please leave me a YGM when you do. Thanks, Sven Manguard Wha? 16:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

No I haven't sent one yet, sorry, been busy. Will do it asap. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Sven Manguard. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Crap. Darkwarriorblake, I haven't received it. I am going to send you an email, and have you reply to it. That seems to be working, at least. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Two!

Loved the edit summary! I needed that laugh, thanks. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Happy to help! In that area of the project, I try to sneak funny edit summaries in when I get the chance. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

reminder

Per your request on WT:DYK, I am reminding you that this DYK will need moved into a prep area soon so that it can appear in the proper time slot. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks like you're going to want Queue 1, which goes live in New York at 14 April 21:55, and is the last set of the 14th and first set of the 15th. That is six queues from now, which means (with three prep areas built right now) that it would be the third prep area I build tomorrow. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that slot would be perfect. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Need some help

Sven you helped me in Wiki chat on Saturday 4/12/2014 concerning the permission on the copyrighted documentary for Commons. I have another problem, I had been given information in Wiki chat by two people concerning a logo I created on a volunteer basis, I also have the copyright that I released and recently uploaded to a Wiki page. I was informed by the two people that I would have to receive permission to use the official logo that I designed and is displayed on a web site, in order to use it on the Wiki page. Permission was sent into Commons by the Executive Director for my use of the logo on Wiki. The Ex Dir received an email from Commons, and apparently he did not understand or take the time to thoroughly read and use the links provided. His reply was : "Unfortunately, we cannot use your content on the basis of statements such as "I allow Wikipedia to use my photos". Because Wikipedia content is designed for reuse, the media needs to be released under a free license in order for it to be included in Wikimedia projects. A license is a legal statement that specifies the conditions under which you permit other people to reuse, redistribute, or make derivative works of your work. We need a clear statement that tells us that you own the copyright to the image and tells us what license you would like to release your work under". Thank you for your assistance.Susan Macafee (talk) 19:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Susan Macafee: There are two possibilities:

1. If you are the creator of the logo, and you have not transferred the copyright to The Ribbon International, than only you can release the logo under a free license, which you already did. Therefore, the emails we're receiving from the Director would not be needed.

2. If the copyright has be transferred to The Ribbon International, only the organization would be able to release it under a free license, in which case we would need an email from the organization (or a legal representative of the organization), which specified the exact license it was released under. If an email was sent, and it says that "Wikipedia is allowed to use this image", that's not enough, becuase that's not a license. "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0" is a license (that is what you uploaded the logo under).

Hope this helps. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. The #1 is correct, I did not transfer the copyright. Did I select the correct licensing for the logo? Concerning prohibiting any alterations to the image and getting credit? Thank you again. Now I have another issue in Commons that I need some help with. I just had someone upload some photos for the Wiki page and she is a newbie and screwed up and uploaded two rectangle boxes that need to be deleted. Her user name is Michelemariesimone Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 02:49, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Susan Macafee: In that case, everything is fine. I've also deleted the two boxes uploaded by Michelemariesimone for you. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I just looked at the logo image and there is now tag box for the permission. I can't believe how much misinformation is given out by Wiki people and people putting tags on pages. What is this tag for? Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 03:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Susan Macafee: That message was saying that the email we received from the Executive Director wasn't sufficient (for the reason I explained above; it didn't contain a license). Since that's not relevant, per our conversation here, I've removed it. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you again for your prompt attention. I spend so much time getting things straightened out due to misinformation I have received and editors. I am expecting a permission shortly concerning the use of a photo. Since you are extremely efficient and accurate, I shall be contacting you, as pertaining to your actions concerning the permission for the documentary. Many, many thanks Susan Macafee (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Notable offenders of rape in germany

Why you removed them? You can write here. OccultZone (Talk) 20:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone: I removed it because I felt that it was giving an undue focus on a small number of people, one of them still living. Since they were all convicted, and they're all sourced, I suppose it can stay in, though. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice regarding email

If you need to reach me by email, leave me a message here and I will send you an email (assuming that you can receive email through Special:EmailUser on your end), or find me on IRC and I will give you my email address there. Apologies. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Now tracked as T65927. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Civilization: Beyond Earth

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Entertainment Software Rating Board

The DYK project (nominate) 18:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Re:Flight Unlimited II

Thanks for the review. I've taken steps to address the points you raised. When you have time, please see what you think. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 03:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Alien Rage

Hello! Your submission of Alien Rage at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ViperSnake151  Talk  05:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A question on unpublished old photos

Hello old friend! I gather that old pictures that have never been published (or old pictures that were not published before 1923) are not copyright free in the United States. This would seem to imply that even very old pictures in private collections cannot be uploaded to Commons (or they can be uploaded, but they will be deleted, but you see what I mean). Is there a way for the owners of such pictures to release the copyrights so that the pictures can be used on Wikipedia? Best, Madalibi (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Madalibi : I believe that the owner of the copyright of the images can release them under a free license, regardless of whether the images were previously published or not. The table here gives details on copyright terms for unpublished works, but the copyright holder can always choose to release the works under a free license before the copyright term is up. The owner of the copyright may or may not be the owner of the physical images; if the images were a work for hire, the commissioner of the images may be the copyright holder. If a person inherits photos someone took, and the copyright wasn't transferred separately (something that would have to be explicitly stated), it can be presumed that they also inherited the copyright. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:09, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Sven! If I get this right, the copyright for old pictures found in family archives (pictures taken by grandfathers and great-grandfathers, for example) could then be released by the current owner of the physical pictures? (This might interest you, Carptrash!) And what about old pictures (dating from, say, 1900) that one has purchased? Madalibi (talk) 03:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Madalibi: As to the first point, yes, grandchildren would, odd extenuating circumstances aside, be able to release their grandparents' work under a free license. As to the second part, it really depends on what you mean by "purchased". If you just purchased a copy of something, no, you don't own the copyright. If you purchased the original and only copy, it gets trickier. I would need to know specifics to give any further advice, I'm afraid. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:34, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I meant only copies purchased, but it might be hard to ascertain that these are single copies. I'll let you know if I have more specific queries. And thanks for the info! Concise and informative as usual. Best, Madalibi (talk) 01:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

As the family archivist I am the copyright holder of all pictures in these archives and feel free to post them here. There was an interesting (to me) controversy several years ago about a shot I posted of several US Merchant Marines at a gun on a ship that was removed because the picture was just posed and could give the erroneous suggestion that merchant marines fired these things. Still, it was a real, from the time picture, but was removed. though not for copyright reasons. I have other pictures taken by a United Nations photographer, while on the job, in the 1950s but can't get a reply from the UN copyright people as to what their status might be. Are they like US Govt. pictures, or, something else? Any ideas? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

GA bot template

Template:GANotice. Enjoy! Legoktm (talk) 01:47, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Legoktm: What are your thoughts on this change? Sven Manguard Wha? 02:48, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the matter, I just run the bot :P Legoktm (talk) 04:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

First of all what does this mean? " (→‎Gallery: not a photo album - rm pics that don't show anything)

I have about half of the pictures ready to upload from "The Ribbon Starts Here" What procedure would you like for me to follow? Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Myrtle Bachelder

The DYK project (nominate) 00:33, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK response

Dear Sven, I believe I have addressed you comments at Template:Did you know nominations/Field hockey pitch. Many thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Wynton Kelly

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Masikyrong Ski Resort

Hi Sven and sorry to bother you. I see that you moved the DYK for the above to Prep area 4. The reviewer has suggested adding the article's pic to the submission. Is it OK to add that now or is it too late?  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Philg88: There are more hooks with images than there are slots for images, since every DYK set has six items and one image, but maybe a third of all submissions have suggested images. This means that on a regular basis, hooks with suggested images are promoted and run on the main page without the images. People that build sets tend to choose images based on how they would look at 100 pixels (which is how large they appear on the main page). The image in your article doesn't look good when it's that small, so no, I wouldn't use that in a set. Illustrated Treatise on the Maritime Kingdoms will run with the image though. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I understand, sounds eminently sensibly. Many thanks for your help.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

That's really unfortunate. I've never seen a photo from North Korea appear on the main page, and don't know when we'll have another chance. Would you reconsider? -Zanhe (talk) 06:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Zanhe, I'm afraid not. As much as I want to see a diversity of content on the main page, and a diversity of images in the DYK (and TFA and TFP slots), I will not use a picture that doesn't work for the space for the sake of diversity. At , 100px, it looks nondescript, which isn't what we want for a DYK image. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh well, it's too late anyways. In any case, thanks for your work promoting the DYK noms. -Zanhe (talk) 07:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

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As per the message in the orange box at the top of this page, emails sent to me through Wikipedia aren't getting through to me right now. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced comment by user:RobertMorrisIV

Moved here and given header by Sven

This is Robert Morris III. I notice that you have edited out the corrections that were made in the "Inflation" discussion. You really should go back and undo your edits. They are misleading readers by restoring the inaccurate "common knowledge" that became obsolete with the theories and explanations of Lindauer and Stigler in the 1960s and early 70s. No worldly trained economist with any knowledge of the financial, economic, and political institutions of today's real world would say that inflation is only caused by an increase in the money supply, not if one defines inflation as a generally higher average level of prices. eg. Higher costs or government decrees, can and do affect an economy's general level of prices. Perhaps it would be helpful if you would sit down and read Lindauer's "The General Theories of Inflation, Unemployment, and Government Deficits." It initially appeared as "Macroeconomics" and has been recently reissued by his students with the title used in his classes. It makes quite clear why and where you need to restore the updates you deleted. RobertMorrisIV (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to discuss economics with you. I'm not an economist, and that's not why I reverted the changes made by the IP address. Editors cannot make significant changes to an article - and changing the definition of the concept is a significant change - without citing sources (and removing sources when the text they follow are no longer supported by the cited text). Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:30, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alien Rage

The DYK project (nominate) 14:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Eleanor Owen

slakr^\ talk / 23:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Bank War

I do wish someone had just told me I screwed up the page, instead of throwing random threats around. Given the way that person was already behaving, I had no reason to think they weren't simply overreacting. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't say that I was terribly impressed with 36hr's behavior either. I was going to fix the formatting problem myself, but I got a notifications ping from another user immediately after I made the revert, regarding a dispute I was involved in, and by the time I weighed in there, you had already fixed Bank War yourself. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Cantiones sacrae

I just noticed that you promoted the original hook for this DYK while I as a reviewer had explicitely asked for an alternative hook to be created by the nominator. My approval was also given for the ALT1 in this case and not for the original hook. Maybe you missed that but I'm still wondering about it. De728631 (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

De728631 Fixed, thanks for the catch. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you, too. De728631 (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

I was wondering how many photos can be placed in the Gallery and also the number of photos on a page. Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Susan Macafee There is no set limit to either how many images can be in a gallery or how many can be in a page. The general answer is that it really depends on large the article is prose-wise. Looking at The Ribbon International, I would say that there are way too many images, and it makes the article look very cluttered. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Careful

By my count, you're in the last place to pass on to the next Wikicup round at present. Could be pipped if you're not careful. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been trying to claw my way into safety for a while now. I was counting on the points from the portal (Portal:Literature is worth 105 points, after multipliers), but at this point, it would be better for me if it were promoted in the next round. I'm working on an article now, which if it passes GAN, will almost surely push me into safety, but it's going to be a close call. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Alien Spidy

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Alien Spidy you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Secret -- Secret (talk) 19:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Woooo! Sven Manguard Wha? 19:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Alien Spidy

The article Alien Spidy you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Alien Spidy for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Secret -- Secret (talk) 19:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup

Hi Sven, I noticed that you're participating in this years WikiCup and thought I'd ask you a very stupid question. What is WikiCup and how I participate? I've been around for close to nine years and never understood how it works out. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Rsrikanth05 - The WikiCup is an annual content creation competition. You can read about it at WP:CUP. In order to participate, you have to sign up at the beginning of the competition, which starts in January and runs through most of the year. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK

For future reference: Template_talk:Did_you_know#How_to_remove_a_hook_from_the_prep_areas_or_queue. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

May

Template:Orphaned non-free revisions and Template:Non-free reduced

Hi Sven Manguard. I see you recently added a proviso that admins should use revision deletion checking only the "Hide file content" option, in order to make the attribution history more obvious. However, I am not seeing any such option when attempting revision deletion of files. The only three options available are: Delete revision text, Delete edit summary, or Delete editor's username/IP address. I am not sure this step is necessary anyway, as the full edit history remains intact even when the old revisions have been deleted (please see File:Big-fish-movie-poster.jpg, for example. And it means admins would not be able to use the script at User:Legoktm/rescaled.js to perform this task. -- Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I would second this request. When there was a merge discussion (which Sven has just thoughtfully closed) Lego said they could update the script, for when we get the merge complete (something I'm going to try to work with User:Codename Lisa with), I'm sure Lego wouldn't mind looking at this, if we understood better what we could be doing. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 20:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Diannaa, TLSuda: Take a look at the bottom upload in File:Hide image only deletion example.png (over on Commons). If you click "(change visibility)", and then in the deletion window, click "Hide file content" only, you get a result that looks like that. The file itself isn't visible, but there is a visible entry for it in the "File history" section. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Aha! Like I've just done with File:Selanger_club_logo.jpg. That's not too complicated, but most of us use that script. Methinks I will go talk to Lego about this. Thanks, Sven! Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 21:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

TLSuda: Exactly. Doing it that way has the added benefit that, should the image ever be put up for deletion, it would be Bandy boy, not Theo's Little Bot, that would get the deletion message on their talk page. I did a ton of manual non-free file size reductions back before there was a bot, and you wouldn't believe how many times I've gotten the deletion nomination alert, instead of the original uploader. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Your talkpage has been on my watchlist for many years; I know exactly how many messages you've gotten and exactly how frustrating it must be. I'm walking over to Lego's talk page to ask him about changes. You might drop by if you can explain things in a way that he can write script for it. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

What you have to do on this wiki is for each revision you want to hide, click "(del/undel)" and then tick the box "delete file content" and then manually type the reason in the field below. Hopefully Legoktm will be able to adapt the script to do this task, because it would be quite time consuming to do manually, especially on files that have large numbers of revisions that need to be hidden (if there's been an edit war for example). If the user does the deletion nomination via Twinkle, the original uploader (not the person who did the reduction) is the person who is notified. Thanks for your help. -- Diannaa (talk) 22:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Diannaa, I don't know what tool people are using to start the deletion process in those cases, but I've gotten dozens of deletion nomination notices from files I resized but didn't upload. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Good news Sven and Diannaa! Legoktm updated the script to use revdel, so now we can properly delete images. (Sven the script is here: User:Legoktm/rescaled.js. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am not sure which talk page messages you are talking about. Twinkle notifies the creator of the textual file information page, not the first person listed in the "File history" section, so there is not supposed to be any problem with misplaced notifications. On the other hand, the new procedure where the original uploader remains in the "File history" section breaks the database report for files which need to be tagged with {{subst:orfurrev}} (User:Svick/Non-free images with multiple files in the history) as files do not go away from that database report until the line has been removed from the "File history" section. I would therefore prefer if people resume removing the line from the "File history" section so that it again becomes possible to find files which need to be tagged with {{subst:orfurrev}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Making the version and attribution history accessible - including to people that don't know how to read a Wikipedia history page - is more important than how convenient our internal tracking systems are. I am sure we can jury-rig up a new way of finding those pages. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:15, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't know how to code such reports, so I cannot comment on the feasibility of changing the report, but it seems to me that part of the code for running the report could be changed to check to see if there are images in the history, not just image histories. If there is a way to write a code to revdel just the image and leave the history, there is surely a way to adjust the report code to see if there are actually more images, and not just histories. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 16:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

Will you be available in any of the "help" chat rooms? I wanted to upload the photos from the documentary, and was uncertain about the release. Susan Macafee (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC) Nigel released the under “Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported”, Should I use this release.? I recently uploaded some of my photos, how are you going to determine my photos vs Nigel's? Susan Macafee (talk) 01:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported is perfectly fine. It is the license Wikipedia text is licensed under, and the one we recommend for images in most circumstances. We can tell who uploaded which images because that information is listed on the file description page, in the "File history" section. As to your first question, I am generally not in the #wikipedia-en-help chat room. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC) Thank you for your response. You mean to say, I lucked out establishing contact with you in "help". I will inform you when I get the photos uploaded. Thanks again. Susan Macafee (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

I uploaded the photos tonight 5/1/2014. Thank you for all your help. If you have any problems please feel free to contact me. Susan Macafee (talk) 04:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Hi again. I had received permission (took two months) from the family of Justine Merritt to use the photo of her from a web site. I just uploaded and didn't place on page. Justine's family member, Susan Helmer received an email from Wiki, saying the permission was not acceptable. A tag was issued, and placed on the talk page, saying the file would be deleted within so many days. Susan has been delayed sending in the template for the release. However, the tag on the talk page has been removed and I have placed the photo on the page. Confused, would you be kind enough explain. Susan Macafee (talk) 19:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Child sexual abuse in Australia

Sven, were you planning on revisiting this review now that OccultZone has expanded the article, or would you like me to mark it with the "review again" icon to get a new reviewer? Please let me know if you aren't planning to continue; I'll check back. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:32, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

You should mark it as being in need of further review. I don't really think that it's good enough to be on the main page (and it probably would dip under 1500 if it were given a proper copy-edit), but I have no interest in getting further involved in the article. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

I made a mistake in spelling a VIP's last name (typo). I went to Wiki help chat and someone said they could fix the mistake, However, the jpg file name has not changed. There was a code put on the edit page. The photo is listed as Betty Bimpers and it should be Betty Bumpers. Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 04:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Portal:Children's literature for Featured Portal candidacy

1. Portal:Children's literature
2. Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Children's literature

I've nominated Portal:Children's literature to be considered for Featured Portal quality.

This was a joint quality improvement collaboration between myself and User:Wadewitz.

Participation would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Children's literature.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Sven Manguard, to my pleasant surprise it looks like a lot of the comments you raised there has already been helpfully addressed by Lotje before I could even get to it myself! :) Perhaps you could have another look? — Cirt (talk) 16:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

GAR

Hi, I put up an article for community reassessment, but it isn't appearing on the GAR page. Do you know why? KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

No idea. I tried fixing it, but I have no idea if it will work or not. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and the bot that handles the task hasn't made an edit since 30 April. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Syringa Marshall-Burnett

ThaddeusB (talk) 20:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 April newsletter

Round 3 of the 2014 WikiCup has just begun; 32 competitors remain. Pool G's Adam Cuerden (submissions) was Round 2's highest scorer, with a large number of featured picture credits. In March/April, he restored star charts from Urania's Mirror, lithographs of various warships (such as SMS Gefion) and assorted other historical media. Second overall was Pool E's Godot13 (submissions), whose featured list Silver certificate (United States) contains dozens of scans of banknotes recently promoted to featured picture status. Third was Pool G's ChrisGualtieri (submissions) who has produced a large number of good articles, many, including Falkner Island, on Connecticut-related topics. Other successful participants included Cliftonian (submissions), who saw three articles (including the top-importance Ian Smith) through featured article candidacies, and Caponer (submissions), who saw three lists (including the beautifully-illustrated list of plantations in West Virginia) through featured list candidacies. High-importance good articles promoted this round include narwhal from Reid,iain james (submissions), tiger from Cwmhiraeth (submissions) and The Lion King from Igordebraga (submissions). We also saw our first featured topic points of the competition, awarded to Czar (submissions) and Red Phoenix (submissions) for their work on the Sega Genesis topic. No points have been claimed so far for good topics or featured portals.

192 was our lowest qualifying score, again showing that this WikiCup is the most competitive ever. In previous years, 123 (2013), 65 (2012), 41 (2011) or 100 (2010) secured a place in Round 3. Pool H was the strongest performer, with all but one of its members advancing, while only the two highest scorers in Pools G and F advanced. At the end of June, 16 users will advance into the semi-finals. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 17:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Black genocide DYK

Do you have any ideas about how I can get this DYK nomination rolling again? I think this new article deserves a tiny slice of the main page limelight for a few hours. Binksternet (talk) 00:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Binksternet - You know what; I'm not going to fight over this one any more. I'd be fine running it using the existing ALT1, sans the image though. I probably wouldn't have even taken issue with it being too focused on Angela Davis if the picture wasn't there. I don't really have any strong desire to go through that article and get another ALT, and you don't seem to have any intention of doing so (likely because we still disagree about the premise that the hook is too focused on Angela Davis), so whatever. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

In composing my DYK nomination, I was modeling it after my most widely seen DYK entry, Template:Did you know nominations/Marching fire, which got a whopping 29,000 views. The subject of marching fire was something that General Patton commented on, and it turned out that a photo of Patton proved very popular accompanying the DYK entry. I followed the same recipe for Black genocide and the photo of Angela Davis, to get a high number of views, which is of course the whole point of DYK—to introduce readers to new articles. Binksternet (talk) 04:46, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I would have pulled that DYK too. Your original hook was informative and focused on marching fire. The one that ran used Patton as the focus. What you're doing is essentially clickbaiting. It's distasteful, and has no place in DYK. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

It appears you and I differ as to the purpose of DYK. The DYK guideline confirms my stance; it says to make the hook "hooky"—"short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers." This is a desirable characteristic, not one to demean with dismissive terms such as "clickbait". I looked for some sort of "clickbait" disapproval in the DYK guideline and found nothing. Regarding images, they should be "suitable, attractive, and interesting at a 100 × 100 px resolution; already in the article; and relevant to the article." I cropped the image of Angela Davis specifically to make it as interesting as possible at 100px. My vision of DYK is that it is stimulating and dynamic. The hook and image I put forward conform to that vision. Binksternet (talk) 05:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

By your own admission, you have shifted the focus of the hook from black genocide to Angela Davis in order to drum up as high a click count as possible. That's what clickbaiting is, but you're right, there is nothing in the DYK rules that prohibits hooks from only being marginally connected to the actual article that they're supposed to be about. I would think that such a guideline would suffice going unsaid, but a rule I see as being in WP:BEANS territory, you see as being non-existant. I will take this to the DYK discussion page. Sven Manguard Wha? 13:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Mobile site strapline

Is your comment at WP:Requests for comment/Mobile site strapline complete? Perhaps you meant to say "behind removing the strapline"? Johnuniq (talk) 05:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I am in the middle of editing that page right now. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-05-07/WikiCup

You will note at your entry I ask a question. I would like an answer. ;) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 00:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden: I would love to have it as a Featured picture, but it is 1,280x720 in size, and the FP criteria say "Still images should be a minimum of 1500 pixels in width and height." I don't think that this would qualify as an exception, although it's worth noting that my high-end (albeit several years-old) gaming laptop is 1600x900 resolution. The Alienware 18 (which while not necessarily the best gaming laptop, is certainly a good indication of where high end laptops are at the moment) has a resolution of 1920x1080. It's kind of tough for screenshots of video games to meet the size requirements. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I think screenshots are an obvious exception to the resolution rules. Go for it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Exeter Chiefs

I have sorted your concerns at Template:Did you know nominations/Exeter Chiefs. Please re-review. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Sven Manguard Wha? 22:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

I edited a number of photos for a person to upload into Commons. However, there are not the correct size and the size needs to be changed and reloaded. What procedure would you suggest that I pursue to implement the change. Thank you. Susan Macafee (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick Allen (Governor-General)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mallica Reynolds

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Note on NFCC

On this diff, while I personally put that image there, crafting a rationale for it above and beyond being decorative, and I do agree that now with added free around content that it is no longer necessary, removing an image based on an NFCC#8 is not something you should do. Discuss its removal, or nominate for FFD, sure, but outright removal without discussion is something discouraged, perhaps a 1RR under BOLD but no more than that. I'm not challenging the removal myself but if someone else adds it back, be aware what the proper next steps are. --MASEM (t) 02:30, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you, both in your assertion that that image was not purely decorative, and in your assertion that I shouldn't remove clear violations of the NFCC without prior discussion. The NFCC is a policy, and editors should not have to ask for permission to enforce policy. I don't consider myself a zealot (although there are people that work with the NFCC that I would ascribe that term), but I will continue to remove blatant NFCC violations in that manner. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Rep. Marriott H. Brosius

Hi Sven- I cropped as much as I dare without getting too close to the name on the bottom. Is this better? Thanks for your input.-Godot13 (talk) 05:01, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Charlie Murder

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Charlie Murder screenshot 5.png, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 01:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Yay, awesome! Thanks Armbrust. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm quite glad I prodded you: You do such good work in getting screenshots and such released, and really deserve credit for it - especially given that showing a track record of getting such things promoted, thus eventually ending up on the main page gives you even more incentives to offer those considering releases. So long as they're at the game's resolution, I see no problems. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:13, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Prep 4

Hi Sven, I thought you had stopped editing this prep for a while, so I stepped in. FYI I was looking for an American bio to fill the last slot that you filled with Son of Heaven, and I just found Template:Did you know nominations/Madeleine M. Joullié. Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:06, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

We edit conflicted; I was trying to put Son of Heaven where you put the Mercury one. If you want to do a swap, feel free Yoninah. I just want there to be a full set in the prep area or in queue at all times, so that people have at least 12 hours to spot issues there before a set goes live. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sven

I have a problem with three Commons images. I just saw that the file File:The Ribbon Route.jpg was deleted by User:Fastily. He didn't even wait a day from the removal 5/17 and the email notice sent by Mendaliv 5/17 concerning the images and deletion. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Susan_Macafee#.7B.7BAutotranslate.7C1.3DFile:Betty_Bumpers.jpg.7Cbase.3DImage_permission.2Fheading.7D.7D

The map image had NO COPYRIGHT ON IT. It was sent to me by the Executive Director of The Ribbon International, to be place on the page, as she had no idea at how to place it on the Wikipedia page. I had previously discussed the map in Wikipedia help with Howicus and Huon, informing them of the copyright status, the age of the map and how I obtained it. Both of them told me I could use the map and to designate there was no copyright and to put the thirty years in the description.

The other two images are File:Helicopter view Pentagon.jpg and File:Betty Bumpers.jpg. These files and all the files I uploaded from Nigel Noble's video that we had previously discussed in Wiki help on April 12th,then on April 30 and that I informed you that I was up loading the images on May 1 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Sven_Manguard have been deleted from my Commons page, concerning the copyright status. However, the two images I mentioned are showing on the Wikipedia page. If you would be so kind to inform me as to what is going on with the images, since you saw the template release Nigel sent into Commons. We had also discussed in Wiki chat on April 12th, the inclusion of my addition of the Nigel's copyright notice at the bottom of the page, which you said was permissible. Thank you Susan Macafee (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

It looks like you found help at the Commons OTRS noticeboard. I will let you continue the process there, as it is a better venue for your issue than my user talk page is. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I stayed in touch with you via your talk page, concerning the cuts I was planning on up loading. We even discussed you finding the pictures on my Commons page after my upload and how they should be released in Commons. If you were not going to formalize them in Commons for use on Wikipedia, you could have informed me when I uploaded. Since I notified you of the upload on May 1th, I assumed the permission & release sent by Nigel that you looked at on April 12th would be transferred over to the images for use on Wikipedia. Now, if I am now correct, you didn't do anything with the uploaded images? Susan Macafee (talk) 22:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

On April 15th, I put up a notice at Category:Ribbon International, but I didn't make any notations on individual files because, as I said in the note on that page, it was based partly on IRC conversations (and I don't record IRC conversations). Other than that, I didn't see anything that needed doing at the time. Obviously there were problems that I didn't see, but I don't follow you around making sure that everything you do is done correctly. I will help when asked, but I am only one person, and I have other things that I have to do. If you need a rapid response, I recommend asking at Wikipedia:Help desk, or if it is in regards to something on Commons, Commons:Help desk. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Consensus to delete and merge Wisp (Sonic)

Sven Manguard, can you please elaborate on your rationale for determining that consensus existed to delete Wisp (Sonic)? As you noted in your rationale, "there's not a broad consensus one way or the other." Why, then, did you not close the discussion as No consensus? –Prototime (talk · contribs) 17:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Prototime: Saying that there was not a broad consensus is not the same as saying that there was no consensus at all. There was a consensus for merging, but it was not as strong as the consensuses in the other sections. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

And given the strongly divergent views the issue, can you please elaborate on how you determined that consensus existed? There were 5 !votes for keeping, 8 !votes for merging (one of which was "weak"), and both sides presented competing interpretations of the GNG, neither of which appeared to clearly contradict policy. Thus, I don't understand how that supports consensus either way on the issue, be it broad consensus or "narrow" consensus. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 17:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

If you're going to do a pure count, it's actually 5 for a standalone and 9 for a merge (one weak) in that section. Bringing in the non-duplicated responses before it was split by character, and you're at 6 to 11. Add in the concerns at the FAC from indopug and Masem, and you've now got twice as many people saying that the article is built too heavily on trivial mentions and first party sources than say that it is built on substantial third party coverage. Counting votes is not, however, a good way to judge consensus, although it is still informative.

When you start reading the discussions themselves, a good number in favor of the merge and some against it note how heavily focused the sources are on Colors. Those in favor of the merge went into more detail about how the first party sources were used and how depthful the third party coverage was, and into more detail about how much of the content is in-universe trivia versus critical discussion, an argument that really wasn't rebutted. In short, those in favor of merging put forth stronger arguments, and attracted a higher number of supporters, than those in favor of retaining the article as is.

If I made a mistake in my close, it was downplaying the strength of the consensus in order to try to placate those in support of retaining a separate article. The difference between Wisp and the others is that the others were near unanimous, and Wisp was contested. There was a consensus for merging though. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Image categorization

Hello Sven Manguard. Is it ok to categorize an image from Commons on Wikipedia using en-wikipedia categories? Specifically, I was considering adding File:Chelsea Manning signature.svg to Category:Images of signatures but when clicking the "Add local description" link, A caution advises: "This image is on Wikimedia Commons—not on Wikipedia. Any descriptions should be placed there." I highly value your insight in this matter, and am eager to see your reply. Thank you in advance for giving time to consider this question for me. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 04:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

John Cline: I'm actually not sure. My understanding, however, is that you shouldn't use local categories for images on Commons. Ultimately, except for things that are project specific, such as noting that it's an English Wikipedia featured picture of was used in the English Wikipedia did you know section, adding information locally for an image on Commons is a duplication of effort. If you search for images on English Wikipedia, you will find ones on Commons, so it's not like they're any harder to find. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Your understanding is similar to what I believed to be so. Seeing Category:Images of signatures sparked my interest in Wikipedia categorization, and the increased search potential it allowed locally. As it is, Commons cats don't even render on Wikipedia's image link; and logging on Commons to search categories is a bit of duplicated effort itself. It's not a big deal however, so no worries for sure. Thanks again, for this, and all that you do on this site. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Village pump (policy)

Hello Sven Manguard, if you want to close a discussion of mine, it is in any case not correct to ridicule me or the topic of the discussion with remarks like:

• "Let's not waste any more time on this"
• "is rather clear that Rosenkohl does not have any support for... whatever it is he's actually trying to do here."

Either you have a genuin interest in the topic of genealogical symbols, then you are invited to participate in the extensive discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Genealogical star and cross in biography articles of the German Wikipedia. However, if you are not interested in a disussion anyway, you should not try to discourage others from participating in it, Rosenkohl (talk) 09:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, no. My close was correct, as evidenced by the fact that when you reverted me, another user immediately put it back. You are cross-project canvassing, and when you raised the issue here, you were told that this isn't an issue for English Wikipedia, and that your bringing it here was inappropriate. That is why I closed it. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Escape from Woomera

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Casliber Awesome! That's my 25th DYK! Sven Manguard Wha? 02:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-05-28/Featured content

I'm going to tell the truth about you in this, and you can't stop me! ;) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Signature

Hi Sven, I wanted to let you know that your signature is in violation of policy because it uses the "big" tag for the S and M, disrupting the surrounding text. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 15:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. I changed it after that became policy, but the new one also caused problems (specifically, I couldn't search for it), so I changed it back... and forgot all about it. I will figure something out. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:27, 31 May 2014 (UTC)