User talk:Peaceray/archive/2011

Moys

Thanks. I was tearing my hair out trying to do that! And Introducing... A Leg (talk) 16:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Removing prods

Nice job with Laila Kamilia. Although it is not required, it is a good idea to add [[Template:Old prod full]] to the talkpage after removing a prod. Your explanation on the talk page is excellent and serves part of the purpose of the template, helping to ensure that the page doesn't get prodded again. The template has the additional benefit of listing the page at Category:Past Proposed Deletion Candidates which is useful for tracking and statistics. The text at the template page explains its use quite well. Happy editing, J04n(talk page) 01:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Format

Ciao! Thanks for helping at the Visconti bio articles, which so far nearly only me cared to. Just some format notes: from what I can see, now all the images of historical characters are put on the right top, whatever the direction the face points to. Also put footers and succession boxes after ALL the text (i.e., also after external links, references etc.). Also if you can avoid placing images at center since the layout becomes a mess. Let me know for any help. Ciao and good work!! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 09:32, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: Format

Aloha! Thank you for also helping with the Visconti articles. I created Violante Visconti & Beatrice Lascaris di Tenda, & added citations, {{Ahnentafel}} templates, & graphics to other Visconti articles. I plan to add some more citations, & hopefully some text, based upon Leonardo Bruni's Historiarum Florentinarum, which I recently read in an English trannslation.

• Regarding positioning of human images, Wikipedia:MOSIM#Images specifically says "It is often preferable to place images of faces so that the face or eyes look toward the text." I will take care of fixing those articles in which you changed it so that the face looks away from the text, so that they will then match the common preference of facing the text.
• Regarding Giovanni Visconti, I guess you missed my {{Under construction}} notice. I am planning to add a gallery template, but was initially unable to make it work right, so I placed the notice. I will be adding that presently. Also, you inadvertently removed the most symbolically important image. When Giovanni Visconti was confronted about the conflict of being both a man of the cross and a man of the sword, he responded that he used one to defend the other. Hence, the artist's choice to depict him with both. I eventually plan to add some text for the anecdote, once I rediscover the proper citation.
• Since you are much closer to historical sources about the Visconti, I was wondering: do you have any idea about the names or locations of the paintings depicted at http://www.kleio.org/en/history/famtree/sforza/1064.html?
• Also, do you have access to: Pier Candido Decembrio. Vita di Filippo Maria Visconti. OCLC 223020127.? Most of the sources that I have access to are decidedly anti-Visconti, & I would like to see more of balance in citations.

Peaceray (talk) 08:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Ciao! Some notes:

• As for the facing of the character, I noticed (and perhaps read somewhere, but unfortunately I can't remember where) that the left looking stuff is no more used. If you make a survey of ALL biographies here, you'll notice that the image of the character is always placed on right top corner now, whatever the MOS says.
• What's that picture you added in Violante Visconti, and from which source you took the identification of those saints with Violante and her brother?
• What is "Kenites" you mentioned in Violante Visconti's heritage?
• Unfortunately I cannot hepl with those sources you asked me for...

Ciao e buon lavoro! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 08:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Aloha!

• Regarding placement of images you are probably thinking of bullet #1 under Wikipedia:MOSIM#Images:
  • Infoboxes, images, and related content in the lead must be right-aligned
• Bullet #6 begins:
  • It is often preferable to place images of faces so that the face or eyes look toward the text.
• Since I had placed the picture in the ==Biography== section, I figured that the latter guideline applied.
• Also, the reason biographies tend to have the image placed right is probably an artifact from having been created as bio-stubs, which would mean that they had probably started with only a lead section.
• You can find the information about the Violante Visconti picture at File:Violante_e_Gian_Galeazzo_Visconti.jpg where there is a Violante Visconti at kleio.org link.
• I am not sure about the reference for Kenites; I would have to go back through my sources, some of which are not online and are not readily available to me.

Mahalo! Peaceray (talk) 06:12, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Master of Boucicaut

Please do not add machine translations of foreign language articles to Wikipedia. Due to their poor quality, they are generally not useful and can be very difficult to fix. In the future, please follow the instructions laid out at Wikipedia:Translation.--Jac16888 ^Talk 09:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

????

Was this about my posting the {{Rough translation}} on Master of Boucicaut? I noticed that you posted {{No-rough}} instead of commenting on the actual quality of the record. Did you actually check the article itself? For the record, I merged the machine-translated text from the nl & it language Wikipedias, edited it so that it adheres to English, hand-edited all the Wikimarkup including make sure all the Wikilinks and external links worked. Furthermore, I applied citation formats to all the external links.

I see you are a very experienced Wikipedia editor, at least from your edit count. If you object to any use of {{Rough translation}}, then please address this on the Template talk:Rough translation or Template:Rough translation/doc. Mahalo! Peaceray (talk) 20:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The point of the message above is that it is asking that if you are not capable of posting a properly translated article, that you do not use a machine to post something inferior, the fact you added the tag suggests you consider the current translation not good enough.--Jac16888 ^Talk 23:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I guess I will have to work on a template that connotes that "initially machine-translated, edited for grammatical & syntactical adherence to English, all Wiki links from original articles converted to en.wiki.x.io Wiki links or were removed. Dual-fluency editors are invited to double-check the translation." Peaceray (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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