User talk:HistoryofIran/Archive 5

A request

Hey! What's up? I want to promote some articles related to the Caucasian Albania to GA. I've worked on history-related articles in AzWiki, but I'm bit inexperienced on working on such stuff from zero, as I mostly translated GA and FAs from English Wikipedia. Is there any recommendations you can give? I currently only have access to Baku-based sources, but I don't want to cite them for obvious reasons. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 15:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Atm I possess the following sources about Caucasian Albania:

• From Caucasian Albania to Arran (300 BC - AD 1300) (which includes the section "The Chronology of the Arsacid Albanians" which I've used quite a lot for the Albanian rulers)
• Caucasian Albanian and the Question of Language and Ethnicity
• Construction Activities of Kavād I in Caucasian Albania
• Non-Muslim Provinces under Early Islam (not focused on Albania like the sources above but it does get mentioned quite a lot)
• INTRODUCTION TO CHRISTIAN CAUCASIAN HISTORY: II: States and Dynasties of the Formative Period by the one and only Cyril Toumanoff. This is just generally about the Caucasus in the antiquity really. Although this work is a gem, do beware that it contains some outdated info (not that major if I recall, but still good to know, I will help you with that if necessary) and it uses Latin rather than the native terms for many regions. So if you're wondering what the heck 'Otene' is, well that's just Utik. Gogarene = Gugark, and so on.

I've mailed you, if you respond back I will be avaliable to include these files in my next mail to you. Since this is an area I edit in I should be able to help you with other stuff here and there, so feel free to ask. I will most likely see it through my watchlist as well.

There is of course always these two Iranica articles [1] [2] by Chaumont and Bosworth respectively, although I'm not sure if they're outdated in some areas, and if so, how much (the conversation of Urnayr for example, seems rather unlikely).

--HistoryofIran (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! I might start working on the language when I've got time. I'm thinking to work on this topic with a friend who's better at these stuff. I know you as an editor who's got lots of experience in this area, so, if anything bothers you with our additions, feel free to discuss. Also, thank you for the sources. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

2009 paper by Garnik Asatrian

This gem deals with every part of pseudo-history in relation to unsubstantiated/unsourced/irredentist Kurdish claims. From refuting the claims wherein the Sasanians, Madig, Mithraic mysteries and Medes are represented as Kurds by pseudo-historians and drive-by IPs/accounts, to debunking claims wherein the mutinies of Simko Shikak and Sheykh Ubaydallah are presented as cases of "Kurdish nationalism", to irredentist claims of a Kurdistan covering half of Syria, Iran, Turkey, Iraq and even Transcaucasia. It also provides a thorough outline of when the word "Kurd" actually started to refer to the Kurds. @Kansas Bear:, @Wario-Man: @Attar-Aram syria: @Beshogur: @عمرو بن كلثوم: You all might be interested in adding this material to your archives. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks LouisAragon. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

LouisAragon You may be interested in seeing Talk:Syrian Kurdistan. The is a discussion just about that rn. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!

	Season's Greetings
	Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!! Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you mate, and likewise :D. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Phraates IV

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Courtesy notice of mention at AN

Hi HistoryofIran. You/your editing hasn't been brought up, but a link to a post another editor made to your talk page is listed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds (search for your username on the page), which is being discussed at WP:AN#Advice re: would we need a new admin?. Since it's your talk page, I thought you should be informed. Levivich ^harass/_hound 17:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Overnight many kilometers..

... were added without supplying sources. Nor was it mentioned in the edit summary.[3] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Asking for advice

Hello fellow Wikipedian. This more of a personal request and not an editorial issue. I am taking a holidays break and have decided to read about Iran and Ancient Persia. I have come to you as you are the most knowledgeable and hardworking Wikipedian that I know off in this topic. Can you suggest me some interesting articles or some good starting point from where I can continue into the Wikilinks? Thank you in advance, have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: Hi Kevo, I am very honored to hear that. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend anywhere on Wikipedia to start reading into Iran-related stuff, as they are still very messy. Well, maybe with the except of one, that is Parthian-related stuff, as the Parthian Empire article is FA and I've expanded most of the Parthian kings articles. I'm assuming you will be mostly interested in pre-Islamic Iran? I do have tons of sources about them, and also about Armenia and the Caucasus and how they all interacted in that period. How about I send you some sources about them? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Please do, I would greatly appreciate it. As for the state of the Wikipedia articles, with enough time and devoted editors such as yourself, I'm sure that the Irani topics and history will be well represented and get all the appreciation they truly deserve. - Kevo327 (talk) 23:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: I can't mail you, as you've not enabled the function. Perhaps you can write your mail here so I can send it to you? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I've just enabled it after reading your message, please try again. - Kevo327 (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerhard Doerfer

Removed because "The Turkologist" sound a bit weird and his profession being mentioned in his article. Perhaps remove the "the" only. Beshogur (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why it sounds weird, we need to introduce the person somehow. Eh, sure, go ahead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Jalal-ud-din_Khalji

The source calls it Ramazan, not Ramadan.आज़ादी (talk) 18:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Phraates IV

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Template:Karnataka History

I added Hyderabad State into page of Template: Karnataka History due to she ruled Gulbarga division of Karnataka. This region was also known as Hyderabad-Karnataka. However, you reverted this addition. Why ? Please, you stop making mistake about this fact and add her into Karnataka History.Cemsentin1 (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't even recall editing this, feel free to add it back. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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Notice of ArbCom discussion

Hi, just making you aware that Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian_Kurdistan exists, since you commented in prior discussions on the issues raised there. GPinkerton (talk) 11:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Shaykhavand has been nominated for deletion

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Whether to create sanctions that might apply to the topic of the Kurds

Hello HistoryofIran. I see you as engaged in a lonely struggle to keep Safavid Dynasty in line with the available sources. At this moment it seems that Arbcom is considering whether to make the topic of the Kurds subject to discretionary sanctions. Is this something that might have value generally, at least for the topics you work on? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

There is some reading matter at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian Kurdistan. See especially the arbiter comments at the end. The type of issue that you run into in your daily work is, I think, not so much the current wars on the ground but more of a traditional nationalist edit warring. That is, where members of various groups show up on Wikipedia and try to claim credit for their side, whenever there has been a famous person or kingdom whose precise ethnic affiliation is not clear. This is the kind of thing that used to happen in the domain of WP:ARBEE, where the availability of sanctions was beneficial. EdJohnston (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, imo as a whole I don't think that the topic of Kurds need to have sanctions, but there are definitely certain sections that need more order, such as the Safavids and (seemingly) Syrian Kurdistan. I'm just honestly tired of constantly being at odds with brand new IPs and users who tend to push ethno-nationalistic Turkic pov. Turkic history and heritage is so rich yet articles like Safavids, Scythians etc are the constant focus. Imagine if all that energy went somewhere else, to actually help improve the quality of articles. Obviously this is no attempt to undervalue users of Turkic background, as we do thankfully have many great users who do help a ton here in Wikipedia, but I sure wish there were more of these. As I say this, this happens [4]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you think of the wording of a sanction that would cover the Safavids? I could imagine a sanction that had the word 'Turkic' in it but that would risk being too broad. How about 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Central Asia'? EdJohnston (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Erh, would 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Western and Central Asia' work? Safavid history doesn't really belong to Central Asia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

How would you word something that includes Iran, and includes the largest extent of Arab control in the Middle Ages, as well as of Turks or Turkic peoples, and of Persians. So it would cover everything that could be disputed Turk/Arab/Persian in Wikipedia? EdJohnston (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps 'Disputes about ethnic identity in the Islamic world'? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

That could be the best. The wording would also catch Southeast Asia but that shouldn't be a large problem. We don't care if the sanctions extend into South Asia because that area already has WP:ARBIPA. EdJohnston (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverting without concensus

My apologies, but it was you who started reverting my edits. Please discuss it in the talk page before reverting any edits. You can argue my comment in the talk page of Caucasus.KHE'O (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kheo17: That's not how the guildelines work, it is you who is removing something, thus is it you who has to discuss it on the talk page, not me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was not something to discuss in the talk page, not all edits need to be discussed in the talk pages. It is just a fact one-click away from you. Please discuss it under the talk page now. I will wait for your arguments for a week as per the rule of thumb for closure suggested by Wikipedia. Thanks. --KHE'O (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was at that moment you got reverted. There's fortunately nothing to discuss, feel free to revert. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Map of Caucasian Albania

Caucasian Albania in 5th and 6th centurires

Hi, I wanted to create a proper map of Caucasian Albania (similar to how I did in Atropatene) since the currently used map's primary focus isn't on Albania itself, but a rather general view on Armenian Highlands. Do you suggest I follow the borders used in this file or are there any maps you can suggest me? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean there is also [5], but either should do I guess. Fortunately there is plenty to choose from [6]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Would you say this works? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean it depends on how detailed you want the map. If you want to add many districts/provinces/cities then you might want to find a bigger map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

All of the maps have very different borders, so I don't know which to choose. There's this map from armenica.org and this one by Samuel Butler and this old map. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: In what era do you want to portray the map? I do have a unfinished detailed map of the Caucasus in the 5th and 6th-centuries, which includes Albania, would that perhaps be of help? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather it be in its greatest extent. Don't know much about ancient history, so not sure if 5th-6th were close to Albania's golden times, but it'd probably help regardless. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: If I'm not mistaken it was more or less the same size after 387. The uncertain part is if Derbent and surroundings was ever part of it politically, at least in the pre-Islamic era. Reply to me mail so I can send the map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Sent! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I'll try to recreate the Albania on your map with the style of the Atropatene map. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Yw, I will look into the Derbent/Chol issue later, see if I can figure it out. HistoryofIran (talk)

Hello again! I've finished the map. Could you please tell me what you think about it and point out any possible mistakes in the map? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I feel like there are too many cities and they've become a little cluttered. Do you think so too? And if so, which ones do you recommend I should delete? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I've moved some city/country/region names around to make it look less cluttered. I'll open a discussion about the new map in Caucasian Albania now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I see you changed your comment, so I'm not sure how helpful this comment will be, I'll still post it just in case; Imho I think it looks good, it's good to have a detailed map of a pretty obscure region, so we have an overview of how it looked. Imho if you started removing cities it would just make those areas of Albania look deserted. Also, with more cities, it means we can make more use of the map, such as adding it to articles of the cities. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I thought when you said "I think so", you were just agreeing that it looked good, didn't expect more comment. Sorry, lol. And I haven't removed any cities, so your comment is still helpful. My biggest concern was with cities in Iberia, since there seems to a much larger concentration of cities in that region than any other part of the map. Also, aside from this, do you know what I should name the place north of Albania or if there are any cities there, because it looks really empty right now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Nvm, it's just me that need some sleep. I read a good chunk of your comments wrong. You didn't change any comment either, u just wrote a new one. To avoid confusion; I think the map looks great and it should be on the infobox of Albania, hehe. Personally the sight of Iberia doesn't really bother me - I will try to see if I can find more cities in Albania. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think I milked the cow as much as I could, I can't find more cities. Perhaps the explanation (besides the obvious "we dont know") of the lack of cities in the north would be that it wasn't that fun/smart to have much life going on there, as Derbent was specifically made to block the constant nomadic incursions? Perhaps geographical challenges played a role as well? Do you know of any special cities up there in present-day Azerbaijan? Perhaps we could try to do some research about them, see if any date back to the Albanian period. That's what I usually do when I have a hard time finding cities/towns in a certain place. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The white space above Albania would be modern Russia, but the empty part of Caucasian Albania in the north-east currently includes the modern cities of Quba and Qusar of Azerbaijan. I'm pretty sure Quba is a fairly old city. In the white space, which would now be Russia, the only old village I know is Akhty. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: What I've found so far, will keep you updated I find more, will see if I can find something about Quba and the others;

"The early history of Baku is obscure, though the locality seems to be mentioned in Antiquity (cf. J. Marquart, Erannšahr, 97). It is perhaps to be identifed with the Gangara or Gaetara of Ptolemy (Geographia, ed. C. Müller, i/2, 929)." - Historic cities of the Islamic world, p. 47 --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Anniversary

	Vicennalia
	Thanks for all your work for the encyclopaedia; it's twenty years old today! GPinkerton (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: Thank you and likewise :) That's a lotta years ^^. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mushegh I Mamikonian

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	BTW, I think you're an essential contributor to the project, and you've also been a great model editor to follow. I'll keep away from controversial articles for a while, so if you need help working on anything more history-oriented let me know. :-) Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Stefka, honored to hear it from a user who is quite essential himself :) And sure thing! --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I taught talking the truth will not hurt anybody.

Why did you erase the truth and even when you get back the page to what it was the reader will not understand the true reason for the Sassanid invasion of yemen Hussen Homeritae (talk) 23:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but your English was broken (u didnt even use capital letters) and u added information which wasn't cited with sources, thus u got reverted. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello, just a quick question as to why you reverted my most recent edit? I am new here and I would be grateful if you could briefly let me know. Thanks.

Because they weren't of Azeri origin, please read each respective article, and also the guidelines (WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, WP:SPS etc etc). --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)--

Apologies, I'm still familiarizing myself with the guidelines and the community rules.

As for the origin, don't mean disrespect but it seems fairly clear that they were. I read the articles for Afsharids and the Qajars carefully, and here is what I see:

Qajar dynasty:

"The Qajar dynasty was an Iranian royal dynasty of Turkic origin, specifically from the Qajar tribe, ruling over Iran from 1789 to 1925."

> Qajar tribe > Background:

"The Qajars were one of the original Turkoman Qizilbash tribes that emerged and spread in Asia Minor around tenth and eleventh centuries...

In the 1980s the Qajar population exceeded 15,000 people, most of whom lived in Iran. According to Olson et al., the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis."

So a couple of things I think (and maybe you will disagree):

1 (Just ignoring all the facts and using simple mathematics – probability) If they are Turkic, and if they are an Iranian royal dynasty, I think it's fair to say they are most likely Azerbaijani. If you look at any modern map of Iran, it is difficult to ignore the fact that the single largest Turkic ethnic group in Iran are the Azeris at 16% of the total Iranian population, and then in the second place come the Turkic Turkmens at a mere 2%. So if one completely ignores all other information and solely focuses just on this, one can clearly see that if it is a relatively recent Turkic dynasty, in Iran, it is almost definitely Azerbaijani or Turkmen in origin.

2 If Qajars were indeed a Turkoman Qizilbash tribe, then that means that the Qajars were a Shia militant group that flourished in Iranian Azerbaijan, Anatolia, and Kurdistan from the late 15th century onwards. That being said, if we combine this knowledge together with the knowledge in my point #1, then this means we can automatically exclude the possibility of the Turkic Qajar tribe in question being of Turkmen origin since Turkmens are followers Sunni Islam and have historically been followers of Sunni Islam, not Shia Islam that Azerbaijanis follow. So by default, excluding any other information and only focusing on my points #1 and #2, we can confidently assert that the Qajars are almost certainly Azerbaijani by origin.

3 It literally says on the page titled "Qajar tribe" in the "background" that "the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis".

^ The above is the evidence for just the Qajars, the evidence for the Azerbaijani roots of the Afsharid dynasty is greater still.

Considering all the above, I think there is nothing wrong with my edits. If you think otherwise, please let me know and we can discuss further :)

This is why I advised you to read the guidelines. You're making your own personal conjectures, that's not how it works here. Please click and read the links above. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Helpful site

Search for books on this site.[7] --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :)! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

Hi, You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. You reverted everything just because of a single point (on Oxus). This is not constructive. I had added a credible source (Cambridge University's series on Iran edited by Prof. Yarshater), clarified the usage of Khorasan in its strict and loose sense, and had corrected the links. Regrettably you reverted all of them back. I am taking your point on Oxus, so preserved the initial rewording, but adding the other edits back. Please have a careful look before you revert them back. P.S. there is an internal inconsistency in the current definition. If we're saying that Khorasan stretched to Oxus (Amu Darya) in its strict usage of the term, then how come we're saying that it included parts of Central Asia. This is why I had corrected this saying that Khorasan stretched to Syr Darya. Anyhow, I am leaving this as it was, so no issues. Cabolitæ (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Cabolitae: No I did see it. There were various definitions of Khorasan, but the limit at Oxus seems to be the most common one (I initially wanted to expand on this myself, but got lazy [8]). Anyhow, looks like I kinda messed up, soz, and thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:: If you allow, I'll add your reference to its establishment under Sassanians. I think it's an important point to be included in the article. Thanks. Cabolitæ (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I mean, you did it anyways lol. But yeah sure, I don't mind. Btw, regarding the You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. I thought you were referring to the edits u had just made around the time you wrote that comment, not your original edit which I reverted. On that I did indeed overlook some parts of it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Map of Shirvanshahs

Hello again! Hope you're doing great. I have found some more free time recently and wanted to create a proper map for the Shirvanshah article, which currently lacks one. However, the only map of it that I could find was this, which I'm not sure is right or not. Do you have any map that I could use as a reference for borders, preferably at Shirvanshahs's greatest extent? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 21:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Hi. This area is not really my expertise unfortunately, but I'm sure this source will be of great help [9]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Vacca (2017)

"Albania also saw the rise of Iranian families in the tenth century, most famously the Sharwānshāhs, descendants of the Persianized Arab Shaybānī tribe who ruled over the area of Bāb al-Abwāb/Darband in the provinces of Sharwān and Layzān, with their capital at Shamākhiyya." -- Vacca, Alison (2017). Non-Muslim Provinces under Early Islam: Islamic Rule and Iranian Legitimacy in Armenia and Caucasian Albania. Cambridge University Press. p. 7. - LouisAragon (talk) 03:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Silig for deletion

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Your GA nomination of Iskandar-i Shaykhi

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Castle moves

You recently restored the Château du Tournel page after another editor moved and renamed it Tournel castle. Thank you and well done. The same user also moved/renamed Château de Miral and I have been trying without success to work out how to change it back. Can you do this? Emeraude (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Emeraude: I can't either unfortunately, need an admin for this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

2 new titles

Thought you might be interested[10][11] - LouisAragon (talk) 15:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hello and question

Hi HistoryofIran, I was looking at this new page Laneh Muri and wanted to ask your thoughts about original research/synth in the article and on notability. They have also created this category Category:Laneh Muri and this navtemp Template:Laneh Muri.

Best wishes from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  21:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: Hi. I've never heard about this 'Laneh Muri'. The citations don't look too convincing (one of the links doesn't even work) - seemingly isn't WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania map

Hi, I've started fixing the Albania map based on Hewsen source to not include Caspian shore. However, I've noticed that in most other maps of Albania like here and here, the shore is included. Do you know why this is? And if so, should I still be changing the map to not include Caspian shores? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Dunno tbh, but sources show that the Caspian region wasn't generally under Albanian control. I'm even more certain about it now that I've read about Balasagan and expanded its article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

HistoryofIran, alright. I'll get to fixing the map then. Thanks. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding a user

Hello HistoryofIran, I noticed from the talk page of User POS78 that you are familiar with them and their works. They have created around 100 one-liner stubs over the past few days. Do all of these castles really warrant separate articles? --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ashleyyoursmile: Sorry but I don't know tbh. I am not so well-versed on castles. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm just confused to see someone writing a bunch of one-line articles if they are not going to be expanded beyond stubs. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Women in Iran

If we are going to revert my edits, going to the original version is better. The other one was too biased towards the IR. If there are any lingering issues with the original version, it’s best to discuss and resolve instead of moving in the opposite direction.

Aronanki (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC) Aronanki (talk)

Sorry but atm this seems like a WP:JDLI issue to me. Take your concerns to the talk page of the article and elaborate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I’m fine with keeping the original. My edits were an attempt to address the issues brought about by another user who seemed to be trying to bias the article towards the IR. If you thought my edits were overcompensating in the other direction, I’m fine to keep the old version of the page (before either of us edited the section) for now. Aronanki (talk)

I didn't realize that was removed, thanks for restoring it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, good to clarify the confusion. The original was fine for the most part, my issue was with the intermediate edits. Aronanki (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Peroz I

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Thanks, but...

Hello, hope you and yours are well. Thank you for your edit at Talk:Second Anglo-Afghan War. You made a good point quoting the source. I have added to the conversation on the word protectorate. However, while I know that there is a lot of feeling around this page, and that there is lot of edit to-and-froing, tedious at times, some people who are raising certain points are trying to have the page reflect certain historical nuances. Your signal of exasperation at the beginning of your comment, while understandable, could be construed as of a dismissive nature to their concerns and to a better understanding. I have asked people to work on finding reliable references for the nuances of British control/influence on Afghanistan at the time. Thank you personally for your work on making WP a better thing. Brunswicknic (talk) 13:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Berkyaruq

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Regarding comment removal

I think it might help reduce the temperature of the situation and of Soldier of A.M. if you allowed the comment to remain for now; I understand why you have removed it but in my opinion there isn't anything there so horrible that its removal is immediately necessary. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Unfortunately his conduct is only getting worse, he is now on a crusade to get me blocked through nonsense attacks/aspersions. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Children of Nizam al-Mulk has been nominated for deletion

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َList of Fire temples in Iran

Hi, I want to add this list to Featured lists, Can you help me? Thank you POS78 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

You mean Featured articles? It needs to be a Good article first, which I'm sorry to say, but it's nowhere good enough quality to be that. For example, over half of the sources used in the article are not WP:RS. Please read [12] and [13]. Perhaps ask it for a Peer review first? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	This edit summary was pretty amusing, thank you for lightening the mood while trying to run the project smoothly. Ashleyyoursmile! 17:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

My pleasure friend :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hello Please see Al-Tabari Moor9119 deleted two source and edited without source can you revert vandalism and lock pageMohammad Cowboy (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram IV

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Hi HistoryofIran, in case you missed it on your watchlist I have carried out a second review of this article, putting it on hold. Best, CMD (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Thanks! I will try to address the issues as quickly as possible. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect transliteration

All of your transliterations are incorrect i say it as a native speaker for example we don't say abolqāsim ferdowsi we say abolqāsem why do you use ridiculous arabic transliterations?arabic pronunciation is not similar to persian. Dara daryapour (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Whether you're a native speaker or not is completely irrelevant. You do realize you're comparing modern age Persian to Persian spoken almost 1000 years ago? What you're trying to do is anachronistic. Also, please read WP:COMMON NAME, he isn't called "Ferdosi" in English sources, that's strictly modern Tehrani Persian. Also, randomly calling me an "idiot" [14] was uncalled for and is a violation of WP:NPA, the next time you do it you will be reported. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry that i called you in an impolite way i promise i'll never do it again but i've been already reported and banned please unblock me from editing Dara daryapour (talk) 07:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Mannaeans

Can you take a look the following page: Mannaea, if you wouldn't mind? It seems there are a lot of fringe, unreliable, and nationalistic sources here. Thanks.Booboosmith (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Eh, what stuff in the article do you find fringe, unreliable, and nationalistic? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Leucosyri

Hi!

You seem to be interested in Cappadocia and ancient Anatolian and Iranian peoples. Do you have sources regarding the Iranic origin of Leucosyri? I saw that there were major content deletions by some ips and the deleted contents were about Iranian connections:

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Leucosyri&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.154.43.115 (talk) 11:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Err, no worries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania dispute advice?

Hello, I come to your talk page to seek your opinion/advice. I see you are an experienced user who has previously made multiple edits in the Caucasian Albania article. Maybe you have followed some of the stuff that I and several other users have discussed in the talk page? If yes, maybe you have any opinions on this matter? – Creffel (talk) 12:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I mean.. from my experience historiography in Azerbaijan is in shambles. That's nothing surprising from a dictator state. It's the same down in fellow dictator-ruled Iran as well, where pre-Islamic Iran apparently wasn't a thing and half of Sunni figures were actually Shia (they weren't). So yeah, welcome to the club friend. Perhaps the section (or a least some of it) could be moved to a more appropriate place? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, you clearly know the technicalities of Wikipedia better than I do; I'll follow your lead if you have any suggestions. – Creffel (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't really have the motivation to delve into it atm, but I'll put on my to-do-list. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

2021, Matthee

Check the "Table of Contents" :-) [15] Gonna be a good piece of work for sure. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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Seems a bit unfair to Bahram III, to be honest. CMD (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah he's gonna need some loving as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Delhi Sultanate

Hi! I feel sorry if my last contribution on Delhi Sultanate was considered a disruption, that was not my purpose. I tried to add a synonymous. By the way, did you take part on the creation of that page? It is very well written and I’m currently translating it on the Italian version. Plus, I took a look of your profile and felt proud for you even if I don’t even know you! 37 is a huge number! I’ll do my best to translate all of them in Italian because Wikipedia users deserve those good pages on my native language as well for sure! Hope I didn’t waste your time reading this discussion. Good work! -X3SNW8 (talk) 19:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Roman-Persian wars

I think that we should at least add that the casualties of the Romans were extremely higher than the Persian ones. Also as far as i'm concerned since specific sources are provided in each battle/conflict it is ok to sum up and make a total number. Holloman123 (talk) 12:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

But we don't know, unless you know of a reliable source states otherwise. Sorry, but what you're doing is WP:OR. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Berkyaruq

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Hello HistoryofIran, not a lot happening here, and the deadline has been passed, so I'm probably going to fail the article tomorrow. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Map

Hi HistoryofIran! Would you mind helping me to translate File:Kerman Seljuks.svg to English? I want to translate it to Portuguese, but I know too little of Persian to try any translation of it.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Hi Renato, unfortunately I am not able to read the Persian script :(. My best advise would be copying the texts in the map and translate them through Google Translate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for it. I'm gonna try. By the way, would you mind taking a look at Vahan Mamikonian? The article should be Vahan I Mamikonian because he was the first lord of his clan with that name (there were at least other two after him (Vahan II, the Wolf and Vahan III Kamsarakan)). There was another one before him too, Vahan, the Apostate, but with no number.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 23:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: I've made a move request [16] --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks once again. And about the same article, you removed some time ago Syvanne's book because he was not reliable. Did you have any discussion on it here? We use this book a little on pt versin. If it's not reliable, I need to remove from that.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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Mushki

Let's bring some sense and NPOV to the article? It is marred by identity-seeking Transcaucasian POVs, as if the only significance of the Mushki was their potential status as s.o.'s ancestors. The last source by the Georgian IP (Suny 1994) is actually useful, but does not belong in the lead and needs to be relativized. And of course does not deserve to be plagiarized :) I'll try something to integrate it with due weight; maybe you also have ideas for improvement. –Austronesier (talk) 08:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't have the motivation atm, but I'll put on my to-do-list for sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Source request

Hi. By any chance, do you have access to The Crusades Through Arab Eyes by Amin Maalouf? It seems to have a use in here. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 17:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Yes, sent you mail. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --► Sincerely: Solavirum 14:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)