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I am in the process of reviewing (I would not characterize it as "investigating") 2002 Gujarat violence, the edit history of the article and its talk page, the various comments linked to this page, and the email traffic here, here, here, here, and here (and a few other threads) on the mailing list related to it. Even though the page is unprotected, I would ask all parties involved to hold off editing this article voluntarily until I can offer a few suggestions, which I will do within a few hours. Thanks for your forbearance, BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:32, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

NOTE: See bottom of page for mediation proposal

User:Bcorr: thanks for your meta-help :)) Boud 13:09, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi again -- only one person has made any edits whatsoever to 2002 Gujarat violence/revision, and it was tiny. You are "officially" invited to take a stab at it. Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 02:35, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks again for taking the initiative -- haven't heard anything from Lib. An. for a couple of weeks now -- hopefully it's *safe*. Thanks -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 22:31, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

thanks for the mediation, Bcorr - once again i'm impressed with how the wikipedia functions. :) My hope is that sooner or later enough Polish speaking people will feel concerned enough about debates on "encyclopedia level" cosmology/physics on the Polish wikipedia that we also need some meta-process there. So far we're still too low in numbers and unmetered access is still too expensive... Boud 13:37, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Iranian Election/Benford Analysis

Thanks for the note! I definitely found the third version interesting. I do think that the Chi-square deviation test from the expected numbers under Benford's law seems like the more natural test, which makes it difficult to construct confidence intervals for the 7's digit deviations alone. But you're definitely right, displaying some sense of the expected range would definitely help make the point clearer...and the simulation results are a good way to do that. Definitely worth doing, and something I'll try (maybe size up some simultaneous confidence intervals around each digit, presuming one is testing all digits on all candidated, but only showing the one for the 7's digit). Thanks again! Lotze (talk) 05:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Tanksgiving

Please see the note I left on Talk:Thanksgiving, Thanks Lou I 16:16, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC).

I'd rather move this discusion to our individual talk pages, see if we can agree, then post the results to Thanksgiving. That said:

I don't intend to take on Loewen, since he makes his living pushing a PC view of history. But I will remove the poisoning entry from the Thanksgiving article. Seems to me that ONE sociologist is not an adequate source.
The attack in 1637 did occur. (Researching material for an article on the Pequot War was what brought me here in the first place.) But mercenaries and Dutch weren't involved, massacres on both sides happened, and Loewen is again the only source for 'heads like soccer balls in Manhattan' tripe. I think its logistically impractical (almost impossible) for this to have happened.

Please answer here or my talk page, thanks Lou I 22:12, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification that you're only talking about the poisoning entry, not the 1637 attack.

Regarding the poisoning claim, at the meta-level, the fact that Loewen makes his living pushing a PC view of history and that he seems to be the only person supporting this POV, is not enough to make it false. After all, most historians make their living pushing PC views of history - the difference is just which political correctness filters they use, how carefully they check facts, whether they naively accept majority points of view or whether they are critical and try to get to primary sources. However, still at the meta-level, i did email loewen (jloewen at zoo.uvm.edu) about the whole question on 19.12.2003 recommending he participate directly on Talk:Thanksgiving rather than replying in private. That's four days ago - maybe not much during the Xmas season, but so far he doesn't seem to have chosen to speak up.

How about simply NPOVing it, with something like One sociologist, James Loewen, claims on the basis of a colonist's letter that... in front of the poisoning bit? People who dismiss Loewen's POV as PC can decide for themselves.

Boud 13:32, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Can't see it. We might note it somewhere with a link back to Thanksgiving. If I had any belief in that Loewen was correct, maybe. Your note implies that we might need or want an article on Loewen. Want to help write one? Lou I 15:53, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Well, to be honest i really would prefer to concentrate on areas of spacetime closer to where i'm located or where i'm more intimately involved. If the author of the indymedia article and Loewen choose not to get involved in rational, open, version-tracked debate on a wikipedia Talk page, which so far seems to be the case, then we're just going to have trust your judgment. i spent a lot of time on 2002 Gujarat violence, which is less than two years away in time, and only a few hundred km from where i lived for two years. The witnesses there are mostly still alive and there's a massive amount of evidence which is pretty close to primary source (and a lot is online), which is a very different case from an alleged racism-based massacre which happened in 1623. So while my intuition suggests that your intuition about Loewen is probably wrong, i'm unlikely to have the time to go further. Better that US based people follow this up. Boud 01:26, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration over the Thanksgiving article. I'd like to think that I'm going on a little more than intuition. I have tried to research his reported incident, but get no where. On the other hand, like Loewen, I'm not a professional historian, just a retired computer nerd, and an amatuer physicist and historian with a growing case of wikiholism. I will write a short summary for the Talk:Thanksgiving Page, you might want to check it. I sympathize with your difficulty over Gujarat. I've had trouble for years trying to find a balanced and insightful write-up about the Kent State shootings from the era of Vietnam War protests. And I'm having trouble now writing the Pequot War article. You might watch that one to keep me honest. See you around the Wiki! Regards, Lou I 04:28, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi, and Happy New Year! I just wanted to let you know that I've finished my efforts on the Pequot War, and posted an update on Talk:Thanksgiving. Hope this resolves things, so I'm bak to the Revolurionary War. Thanks again, and the Pequot was an intereting study. Lou I 19:10, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Temp graph

Data link at Image_talk:GlobwarmNH.png I haven't tinkered much with images from that data because I'm working on replacement images. But the old data is there if you want to use the old data. SEWilco 22:45, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Math markup

Thanks for the eigenplane article. I saw your comment in the edit history and fixed it up using the /mathbf{} function. In case you haven't found it already, the exhaustive reference for the math markup syntax is at m:Help:Formula. HTH, • Benc • 09:54, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

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I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Aceh

Good work on KSKBA and so forth...haven't heard of them, or most of the other organizations people have been sending me. All I know is the people of Aceh are really screwed, especially if Indonesia doesn't lift provisions of the martial law Aceh was under for all of 2004.

I would have sent you this under my usual username but right-wing bozos follow my account and revert everything, so I don't want to bring heat onto your account with my regular account. Spare O 08:04, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, whoever you are :) Boud 11:55, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ΛCDM

I didn't understand your edits to ΛCDM. It really says nothing about the finiteness of the universe, other than that it is substantially larger than the observable horizon. Can you please discuss on the article's talk page? Thanks –Joke137 19:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania

Boud, great meeting you at Wikimania. Thanks again for submitting to the video interview. Hope to be able to show you something slick soon. Fuzheado | Talk 19:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the article

Hello Boud,

thank you very much for the link. I would read the article as soon as I get some spare time. At the moment lots on the work (after two weeks of voucation) and translation works for the wikimania wikibook. CU. --Philopp 18:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

P.s.: Wenn I get time, I would like to come back to the topic of compression :-) --Philopp 18:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Galloway and Rumsfeld on Coleman Page

Hey Boud, I agree with you about them meeting the same number of times, but you might want to revert yourself or otherwise clip that text. Why? Because some editors gripe that the section is off-topic, so we try to keep it to the bare, factual minimum. I totally disagree that the section is off-topic but we try to keep everybody happy as much as reasonable. With the addition of Rumsfeld in there, the passage could be seen as argumentative. Without the Rumsfeld mention, the passage is still effective at illustrating the mistakes that were in the report. I leave it up to you, but someone will probably change it if you don't yourself. DanielM 00:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

i'm not so sure the passage is as effective at illustrating the mistakes if the Rumsfeld-Saddam-Hussein meetings are not mentioned. The difference between many and two is not that strong, it could be considered as a single careless word and sound like a pedantic defence, playing on single words; the difference between many and the same number of times that Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein is IMHO much stronger, and IMHO it would be NPOV to remove this. However, i'm unlikely to struggle over the Coleman page, there are more important things to work on... Boud 01:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I happen to think this is an important entry, even if you don't. You disrupted somewhat of a balance, and you yourself or best positioned to fix it. You could insert the text "**for example** citing the charge that he had met with Hussein "many times" when the number of meetings was two." But sure, you can go off to something else and leave others to deal with it. DanielM 10:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

i'm not claiming that the entry is not important. for example added. Hope this helps. Boud 13:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Iraqi Government

Thanks for your thougths. I'll do a bit of research see what I come up with but will probably settle on an interim name just to get something moving AndrewRT 14:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Media concentration

Hi, I'm sorry but i reverted your links to Media concentration in Axel_Springer_AG and Springer Verlag, I appreciate your reasons for making the link, but the target article, is entirely US/Canada oriented (and quite badly written, lacking NPOV) at the moment, and it is not abundently clear why the links are in the article. Zootalures 19:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

2005-2006 US-Israeli threats to attack Iran

Hi Boud, Just a quick note to say thanks for the info you've added to this article - particularly the stuff about MEK. AndrewRT 22:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD Rationales to Impeach

Hey Boud, I read your response, and it was very well thought out. I'm trying to find a middle ground, which may be ill-advised. If you have time, would you care to revisit the page and see what I wrote on the topic of renaming? Thanks. BlueGoose 18:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (2nd nomination). Your comments are too large for the project page. I moved them to the talk page. Merecat 22:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Prometheuspan 23:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks very much again for your time and energy in this matter. Prometheuspan 23:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Various items.

First off, do not create more articles that are attempts to recreate material that was in the article that just failed its AfD. Such edits are considered bad-faith, and articles like this can and will be deleted by any administrator, on sight.

Dear Nandesuka, the material which i put in 2003-2006 alleged US violations of Iranian sovereignty is not the main theme of the deleted article. Threats to attack and an actual attack are two very different phenomena. If you look at the discusssion page of the article (available to admins only), you will see that this was a debate about whether or not to break it off into a separate article. As long as the threats article existed, the conservative approach was not to create the actual territorial violations article. The deleted article was about threats to attack Iran; the new one i created was about actual (claimed) violations of Iranian territory. People on the discussion for deletion discussed the general threats article; they did not discuss about whether or not to create an article about the actual (claimed) territorial violations. Boud 21:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The material you reinserted in that article was, in fact, word for word in the earlier one that was deleted. Nandesuka 22:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Second, please note that Wikipedia cannot accept original research. Please note that included in the definition of original research is: "any new interpretation, analysis, or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, or arguments that appears to advance a position." (emphasis added). In other words: "Kofi Annan indicated in a speech that the US is planning to attack Iran" is acceptable. "Based on various speeches given by various people, it is clear that the US is planning to atttack Iran" is not.

You and i perfectly agree on the principles. Please help by correcting material which you believe is OR rather than deleting it. The title of the new article you deleted was 2003-2006 alleged US violations of Iranian sovereignty - does this title constitute original research? what would you prefer, that we put the names of all the people making the claims in the article title? Boud 21:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Kind regards, Nandesuka 20:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

i did so. What is important is that encyclopedic NPOV+NOR content is properly included in the wikipedia. Arigato gozaimashita. NPOV+NOR desu, ne. Boud 21:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

International Middle East Media Center

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks! Jibbles | Talk 14:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms of the allegation that Hezbollah is using human shields

Hello, I saw you message below and have been considering writing an article on this topic due to the information that is out there. I have no axe to grind on the issue. Can I assist? Do you have any ideas on a neutral article for this issue? 82.29.227.171 23:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone removed the subsection Criticisms of the allegation that Hezbollah is using human shields. i have put it back in.

Please explain why the criticisms of the allegations should not be present in the article. The allegations are disputed, so WP:NPOV means we have to present the arguments for and against. i don't understand how someone can remove this, unless s/he is attempting to present only one POV in this section.

Thanks. Boud 22:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

regarding the source for who killed Bradley Will

Ok, now I understand what that sentence was trying to say. My only problem with your source is that it's in Spanish and this is English wikipedia. I'm pretty sure we're only supposed to use English sources. Can you find a version in English and link to that instead. Also, it would be nice to say which local news group is making the claim. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 19:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, i agree that English sources are preferred, but AFAIK non-English sources are not excluded. Look around and i think you'll find this is the policy. Boud 19:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I just checked and your right. [1]. Still, if there is an English version, can you link to that instead? Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 19:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Sabrang

User:Hkelkar and User:Bakasuprman have reverted your edits on 2002 Gujarat Violence and V. R. Krishna Iyer stating that Sabrang is not a reliable source. You may want to discuss this with them. BhaiSaab ^talk 01:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I undid my revert on Iyer pending further fact checking on my part. See my post to BhaiSaab's talk page regarding Sabrang, a terrorist propaganda rag that cannot be cited reliably except as a primary source which, in the case of your Gujarat Riots edit, it is not.Hkelkar 01:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's an article for you [2]. It solves many of the mysteries. Btw, CAG is an anti-Hindu group of nutcases, please use reliable sources like the Tribune article, which I painstakingly searched for to give you.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to initiate WP:DR regarding this matter?Hkelkar 00:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The Coca-Cola Company

Since we are supposed to AGF here at Wikipedia, I'm coming to your talk page to ask you if you really believe it is NPOV to expand an article lead so that half of it is unproven negative allegations about the subject as you did with your recent edit at The_Coca-Cola_Company? You added the term "wikiturfing" to the article twice, but when I followed the reference link that one would assume would support such an allegation, there was only the briefest and vaguest of allegation that someone involved with the company was responsible for the supposed POV fork. Do you feel that is NPOV and more importanatly, intellectually honest and encyclopedic? AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 06:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan war

Look, a little NPOV is not a bad thing, k?

cheers-RatSkrew 18:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker metric

Hello. You moved Friedmann-Robertson-Walker metric to Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker metric by cutting and pasting; please note that this is not the proper way to move pages. The correct method of moving pages is described at Help:Moving a page. I'm currently in the process of sorting this out. Thanks. Mike Peel 11:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Don't Attack Iran Coalition

An editor has nominated the article Don't Attack Iran Coalition for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Attack Iran Coalition. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article Don't Attack Iran Coalition during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate. Jayden54Bot 15:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Action Iran

An editor has nominated the article Action Iran for deletion, under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the nomination (also see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on why the topic of the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome: participate in the discussion by editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Action Iran. Add four tildes like this ˜˜˜˜ to sign your comments. You can also edit the article Action Iran during the discussion, but do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top of the article), this will not end the deletion debate. Jayden54Bot 15:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well poisoning

Hi Boud,

Regarding your statement at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anti-war:

"one of the people wishing to delete the page claims to be from the US army"

This is considered a personal attack. The user you're referring to has a userbox that says he is or was a member of the military, not that he is "from" the army. Whether or not someone served in the military has nothing to do with the rationale for deleting an article. Please see poisoning the well. GabrielF 21:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

So you seem to be saying that "whether or not someone served in the US military has nothing to do with the rationale for deleting an article" about an organisation opposing a US/Israeli military attack on Iran ? In any case, i do agree with the substantive part of your argument, i.e. that it is more productive to focus on the arguments rather than on conflicts of interest. i suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations) and compare it to your deletion proposal and the discussion can return to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Action_Iran. Boud 22:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Failed AfD

I noticed your name on a recent AfD, you may be interested in this: [3] The page you wanted to keep was removed by a well organized group of wikieditors. Travb (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 19:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

Nandigram under fire

Boud, please help edit the wikipedia article on Nandigram. It is the centre of a major controversy and a people's resistance to government brutality. Please also invite others who can cover such issues neutrally and in perspective. Panchhee 02:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Palestine Project Invitation

WikiProject Palestine is looking for editors to help build and maintain comprehensive, informative, balanced articles related to Palestine on Wikipedia. Start by adding your name to the list of members at WikiProject Palestine. Ahlan wa Sahlan! (Welcome!)

--Abnn 01:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Boud,

Thanks for the note; you are right, of course, at the least I would have to interview them formally, but all I have is stories they've told me, since they've all passed away. I am a wikiholic! Unfortunately I don't edit or post nearly as often as I just read the articles (mostly because, I'm ashamed to say, I still haven't taken the time to learn the conventions and really understand the wiki markup).

Thanks again for the note! -- alawi

Check your sources

Hi Boud,

In the future, I would strongly urge you not to copy articles verbatim from Sourcewatch as you did with Iran Policy Committee. Their article on the subject is highly POV, OR and completely inaccurate. If you had read the organization's website you would have seen that Sourcewatch was wrong about:

The date the organization was founded
The organization's supposed "affiliations" with other think-tanks
The association of "several of the principals" with AIPAC.

Additionally, sourcewatch quoted the organization's mission statement as saying: "providing a central role for the Iranian opposition to facilitate regime change" whereas the organization's website says: "Keep open diplomatic and military options, while providing a central role for the Iranian opposition to facilitate democratic change."

Please remember that we are here to write neutral encyclopedia articles, not to push a particular agenda. GabrielF 22:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your warning that you've edited the article. We can discuss on the article's discussion page in case there are any difficulties getting to NPOV and NOR. Boud 16:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

good addition

Good addition to Fawaz Naman Hamoud Abdallah Mahdi.

Cheers! Geo Swan 00:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't checked Talk:Fawaz Naman Hamoud Abdallah Mahdi, prior to leaving the above comment -- and I didn't recognize we had ever interacted before. Now that I have checked Talk:Fawaz Naman Hamoud Abdallah Mahdi I am going to (1) repeat that your most recent edit was a good one; (2) I am sorry if you found me abrasive in our earlier interaction -- if so, my apologies; (3) as I reviewed the talk page I saw that I had made the suggestion, but not carried through to completion, a rewording to address your excellent point that a guy with mental health issues can't give informed consent. So I made that change now.

Cheers! Geo Swan 01:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

34th G8 summit

Do you have any thoughts about the difference between notable statistics and trivial ones? I can readily admit that I was uncertain about adding this kind of information, but sometimes I've noticed that small things provide a kind of mental "hook" for coming better understand a complex subject or as a memory aide. This comes up all the time in articles which attract Japanese manga links, but the sober nature of this subject means that the judgment call is a little more difficult.

Neither the fate of future African development nor global warming are likely to be affected by the number of dishes at the first formal dinner of the summit, but this kind of trivial detail really grabbed my attention -- and indeed, it must have caught the attention of the editors of the Times of London who published the news story cited in this section. But ... well, do you see my point?

If you have some wise words to share, I'd appreciate it. If not, don't give it a further thought. Since you took the time to help improve the section in which I'd posted this plausibly questionable data, I thought it worth the effort to ask an open-ended question ...? --Tenmei (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

List of ISO 639 codes

Please have a look in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages. Thanks. --✉ Hello World! 08:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I just saw your comments regarding my survey on the Doctors Mess. Thanks for your reasoned response. I wish I had seen it earlier to respond in person (but, frankly, it was probably better coming from you). Anyway, I just wanted to know that I appreciated you taking the time to respond. I am very interested in the collaborative processes on Wikipedia, but researching it can be a delicate process at times. Don't hesitate to contact me directly if there is anything you need from me.

geraldckane (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

MISQ

The impact factor for MISQ is 5.826 in 2007. "This score places us as the #1 journal in all three journal categories in which MISQ is ranked by ISI: Management, Computer Science/Information Systems, and Information Science/Library Science" (quote from MISQ press release). I have verified at least two of these categories.geraldckane (talk) 14:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I've put a new message at the MISQ page in case you aren't watching it geraldckane (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

WebCite

(Following tail end of thread copied from Talk:Muntadhar_al-Zaidi#.22huge_celebrity.22. Boud (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

WebCite sounds like a much better solution for this task, however, it was not intended to be used to refer to previous versions of rapidly changing news stories. In other words, we are dealing with two different problems. If a news story changes over time, unless we have secondary sources describing that change, we are engaging in original research. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

i agree that there would be some danger of OR here. On the other hand, every contribution to a wikipedia article requires some subjective judgment on whether a fact is important or not. E.g. it looks like someone decided that claims on who made Zaidi's shoes was not relevant, and you pointed out that a Che Guevara poster is not particularly relevant, in the absence of someone claiming it's important. i tend to agree with both cases, but there is still some degree of judgment, based on our knowledge as human beings of "what's important".

However, i agree that the particular hypothetical example i gave "The NYT ... " has a weasel word "but" and it's not obvious to me in what situations it might be NPOV and NOR. Probably the better role of the archivurl/webcite is that at least it will make it easier/faster to resolve the sort of (in this case, temporary) misunderstandings between two or more editors who until that point were working together quite constructively and suddenly one of them finds that the other seems to have made a somewhat dubious edit - a direct, subjective quote which is absent from the cited article! It's then up to the community of editors to find some reasonable way of coping, either rewording the citations if the changes to the content of the reference are not too serious, or else removing/replacing the old reference completely by the new one. In the case of any reasonable doubt, using the new reference would avoid OR.

Actually, this could potentially open a big, important debate: what sort of online newspaper is more "reliable" - one which decides that an article once published is immutable, or one which modifies (for more accuracy? or because of political/commercial interference?) the content during the 24 hours or so following the event in a publicly untraceable way, or a (not-yet-existing) mainstream newspaper which uses a wiki with a fully public history but just a tiny handful of editors having editing privileges? Boud (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable to add WebCite archives to every cite? I found another UPI article that was altered from the original. Viriditas (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

It would seem a bit excessive to me, and i think someone in the discussions i linked to also thought so, but who knows? As long as webcitation.org is only archiving text and not photos/video (i don't know about the latter), given that Terabyte hard disks will become "normal" within the next year or so, it wouldn't put much additional pressure on internet/computer resources to do this (collectively for all wikipedians) for a few hundred million cites and store it on just one single hard disk... Personally, i'll probably just try and see. You can probably make a mental note (or note on your user page) which journals have a habit of being volatile. Online newspapers from places with relatively weak internet access and less developed internet/GNU/linux communities (e.g. Iraq!) probably might be volatile in the sense that after a few years they will change software/hosting/URLs or go offline for whatever reason. Another point is that webcitation.org probably doesn't (yet) have a long term reputation. archive.org and arxiv.org have been around for a long time, arxiv.org has very solid institutional backing and a huge amount of mirroring. In any case, i don't see why anyone could complain if you archived every cited reference. Boud (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I absolutely oppose WebCite for "current event" articles. There is a reason why most reliable sources change their articles, and usually the reasons are about editorial quality usually because they had imprecise or even false information (not on purpose, but with less editorial verification than a print item). They don't get changed just because.

During a current event, chances are that if a source was correct and the URL was what changed, an exact same piece of information or something equivalent can be found. (Please see my example above with Wikifan's missing link affair). So putting {{fact}} should be enough.

Also, in an event of world interest, you usually can find more than one source that says the same thing, and if you can't, then it isn't verified. Hence, why save it in WbeCite?\

Webcite does become useful as an event's last day passes on, news get stable and things are moved to paid archives etc. But not before. If we use it during an event, we are inviting unverified and unverifiable material into the mix, a good way to ruin it for everybody.--Cerejota (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Dheyaa al-Saadi

On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dheyaa al-Saadi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 07:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Gaza Strip(ping) '08-'09

I supported the "2008-2009_Israel-Gaza_conflict_Survey" after you had opposed. My support is here Talk:December_2008_Gaza_Strip_airstrikes#2008-2009_Israel-Gaza_conflict_Survey.

I do hear your point, but since you have shown to be a strong voice (although as you said, we do not always agree), I wanted to see if I could convince you to "weak support".

My reasoning with you would be that this "2008-2009_Israel-Gaza_conflict" title is clearly a temporary measure, and while your points are really valid and warrant further examination, I think they would need more time to develop towards consensus than "2008-2009_Israel-Gaza_conflict" would, and yet the current title needs to be changed ASAP. So in the interest of reaching a consensus with an eye towards quality, a weak support from you (of course, specifying that the discussion is far from over in term of a final title etc) would be a great and amazing thing that could further the process along. What you think? Thanks! --Cerejota (talk) 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Netiquette - A Friendly Reminder

Hi, we would all appreciate it if you would please stop using bolded words to emphasise your point. It's rude in netiquette, similar to using all caps. We can still read perfectly without the bolded letters, thanks. --220.255.7.206 (talk) 09:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Iran/Provincial templates

Help is needed to translate the Iranian province templates into english so they can be used in the main articles!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Soto Cano airbase in Honduras article

Hi, as I mentioned in my edit note, the problem with the sentence is the source; its an opinion piece by Kozloff and opinion pieces are not WP:RS. If you had brought up the fact that Zelaya wanted to convert it to a civilian airport, using another source, I would not object, but as long as you use Kozloff, and his speculations, its not appropriate for this wikipedia article. Rsheptak (talk) 23:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

COFADEH

Just so you know, I deleted the misspelled Comité de Familiares de Detenidos Desaparecidos en Hondura; it's now at Comité de Familiares de Detenidos Desaparecidos en Honduras. Rd232 ^talk 10:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Deleted page: Criticism of Amnesty International

I notice that you have mentioned on the discussion section of the above page that someone from AI office had deleted sections on the above topic. Something simolar appears to have happened again and the whole criticsm page has been deleted.

It appears to have been deleted on 29 July 2009. http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Amnesty_International&action=history FriendOfPanda (talk) 02:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Radio Globo

I saw the sources you used, and the note on TeleSUR (http://telesurtv.net/noticias/secciones/nota/55207-NN/gobierno-de-facto-de-honduras-ordena-cierre-de-radio-opositora/) but I remain confused. I've been listening to Radio Globo on the internet almost all day (except for driving back and forth to work) and they have been talking about the denuncia sent to CONATEL by a lawyer for the military high command (complete with a tape recording of Andres Pavon calling on people to join demonstrations as evidence) that accuses the station of sedition, but I have yet to hear them talk about an actual ruling from CONATEL on the air, and at 8:26 pm (Honduras time, 6:26 pm California time) they're still on the air and taking phone calls. Do you know what time the press releases about it being closed came out? Thanks. Rsheptak (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be the same article and is dated/signed Tuesday, 04 August 2009 11:50 Marvin Palacios. If that's UTC-6 (Honduras), then that makes 17:50 UTC 4 August. 8:26pm Hond = 20:26 Hond UTC-6 = 26:26 UTC = 2:26 5 August UTC. i just checked cofadeh.org an hour or so ago, so it could have well been posted many hours ago. i don't have any info other than the COFADEH article i cited.

Regarding being "on air" - closing down physical radio-wave emission doesn't legally prevent internet broadcasting in typical legislative systems, AFAIK.

Also, the article says something like "communicated the decision to close the frequencies" without any more details - i tried to summarise this without extrapolating from what is stated, e.g. it doesn't state whether this is considered a direct order to immediately stop emission, or something less strong. Boud (talk) 02:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

thanks, they're now talking about security forces outside the station noting people's license plates, and the minister of security hung up on them when they asked him what the police were doing outside the station. They're still on the air, and its clear from the callers that they aren't listening on the internet given internet access in Honduras. I'll let you know if they get closed down before I go to bed tonight. Rsheptak (talk) 02:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

At 11 pm Honduras time, they read a statement saying they have not yet been ordered closed, and that they will fight it in all legal ways, and urged the people gathered outside to go home. Then they read the letter from the lawyer for the military high command that denounced them to CONATEL again. La Tribuna has a photo of the UN representative, Frank LaRue, visiting Radio Globo today (http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=26481). Some print sources report they've been ordered closed, while others only report they've been menaced with closing. The only thing all sources agree on is that they were shipped a copy of the complaint by CONATEL today. In other news, Channel 6, the San Pedro TV station that also presents pro-Zelaya news, had a small bomb explode behind their building today. No one was injured.

How about putting this on Chronology_of_events_of_the_2009_Honduran_coup_d'état#August_2 as the information comes in? A condensed form can go on the main page, but i don't see why the Chronology page needs to be kept short - it could easily be split, e.g. into calendar months. Boud (talk) 07:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I've been out of town on vacation and away from wikipedia so I haven't kept up, but they are still on the air. Rsheptak (talk) 21:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. So someone (anyone :), including me if i remember) should volunteer and update Chronology_of_events_of_the_2009_Honduran_coup_d'état#August_4 and the bit of the main article on this incident/issue. Probably Chronology itself should also be split into June+July, and then go by months. Boud (talk) 21:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday Radio Globo read over the air a letter from CONATEL that ordered them to suspend transmissions for a month, reported in the print media today here: http://www.prensa-latina.cu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=108461&Itemid=1. While they were reading the CONATEL letter their electricity was cut, and they continued to broadcast on battery power. Some hours later, at the very moment, on the air, they were publically calling the head of ENEE to find out why their power was out, it resumed. They are still broadcasting. I'll see if I can get to updating wikipedia today, but I have a huge backlog of things to do. Rsheptak (talk) 18:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Marked for deletion: Criticism of Human Rights Watch

I have noticed that the same user has deleted a significant portion of the article and nominated for deletion. -FriendOfPanda (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Batallion 3-16 article

Just wanted to congratulate on the job done on the Batallion 3-16 article. I spend a lot of time going through references and finding more about such a dark period in the country's history. Well referenced and surprisingly as neutral as you could be for such type of articles. Wikihonduras (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Just looked over your edits and completely agree with Wikihonduras. Thanks for your great work on improving the page. Notmyrealname (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

document dates

I answered you on the talk page of the article, but had some info I wanted to pass on that I didn't want to post there. I've heard from reliable sources in the Zelaya camp that they believe the documents were generated post-facto. We know that the de facto government faked documents like the supposed Zelaya resignation letter. If you look at the discourse of the de facto government about why Zelaya was removed, the charges in the documents weren't the ones they were talking about right after the coup; they became the talking points around July 1 or 2, which is also when most of the electronic documents began to circulate (the fake resignation letter was made into a PDF on June 29th). There is evidence that makes me think its not that the charges were secret and therefore unknown, and that is the June 26th letter from Micheletti to Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, which I believe is still referenced in the article, but if its not, let me know and I'll find it for you. On June 26th Micheletti knew what was going to happen on June 28th, so his failure to use them as talking points on the 28th brings their existence into question for me.

I almost forgot, Radio Globo's transmitter was attacked last night at 8 pm local time while they were transmitting the voces contra el golpe concert. 8 armed hooded men overpowered the guards and poured chemicals into the transmitter, killing it it Tegucigalpa. They're on the air with a backup, low power transmitter. The same thing happened at Channel 36's transmitter last night, and Cholusat Sur's. Both of them are off the air.Rsheptak (talk) 18:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The Micheletti to Velasquez letter is presently reference 74 in the main article. i hadn't noticed it much before, though i had read the quoted English translation. [Incidentally, there's a coincidence here: Webcitation has it timestamped 2009-07-26 01:36:34, which at the moment (northern summer) is UTC-4 (presumably because it's Univ of Toronto based). Since Honduras is UTC-6 AFAIK (i don't know if there's daylight saving time there, but it's unlikely to be switched during June-July-August), that makes the webcitation.org upload time 2009-07-25 23:36:34, i.e. just very slightly less than one month after the letter was (assuming it's correctly dated and genuine) printed/signed.] i hadn't previously seen Micheletti as one of the driving forces behind the coup, more as a supporter stepping in to take on his expected role. But this letter strongly suggests that he was encouraging the military not only to "capture" Zelaya, but also to exile him. Boud (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the media oppression, if RS can be found and someone is willing to do the work of creating stub articles, then it might be worth putting this not just in the Chronology article, but also in articles and categories analogous to categories like Category:Mexican radio, Category:Australian radio, Category:Television in Honduras and the articles categorised there. Boud (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Micheletti is one of the driving forces behind the coup, but not the one who planned it. If you've read the account of the night of June 25 to morning June 26, that's when Micheletti was holed up with congress trying to force through an agreement to remove Zelaya, the military already aprised of the plan. At the last minute Carlo Flores Facusse pulled his support (and his faction's votes) because the "powers" would not agree to appoint his daughter, diputado Mary Elizabeth Flake (I think, she's called Lizzy in the press), as president of the Congress. We all knew it was supposed to happen. I had been warned to expect it the weekend before, and that evening my cell phone was busy, and the TV was full of images of Zelaya gathering the people around him in the presidential palace after he retrieved the ballots. I watched it late into the night, and got up the next morning quite surprised that nothing had happened, and flew home out of San Pedro Sula the afternoon of the 26th. It was only later I learned what had happened.

There's plenty of Spanish language RS on the latest attempts against the media in google news (spain edition) and in the last few minutes it appeared in El Tiempo in Honduras. I might find the energy to pull the media stuff out into a separate article but not this week. Rsheptak (talk) 23:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Vercetticarl images

Thanks for the good catch with those two images!! I'd say that this was part of the sockpuppet issue that's been addressed by his block. I've looked over his image upload page and there were two others that are now marked as replaceable fair use (F7). The others are album covers that are now all licensed & have the fair use rational. Keep up the good work!! Skier Dude (talk) 23:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you?

In the page Criticism of Human Rights Watch you appear to have made a Revision as of 01:22, 7 September 2009. You added text and some references. One of those reference tags, <ref name="keinon_hrw_saudi" /> appears to be causing a cite error. Could you please go back and fill out the full source to fix the cite error. Thanks. 75.69.0.58 (talk) 20:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

RfC

There is an RfC in the Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2009_Honduran_military_coup#Is_the_content_in_the_following_edit_worthy_of_inclusion_in_the_International_reaction_to_the_2009_Honduran_military_coup_article -- Rico 15:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Jonathan Cook

I have nominated Jonathan Cook, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Cook. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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Honduran elections

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Honduran_general_election,_2009#PCM-M-030-2009_-_state_of_emergency do you live in Honduras Boud??? if not plaese stop being so mean to the INTERIM government of Roberto Micheletti and please stop supporting the criminal who broke the constitution Manuel Zelaya Carl vercetti (talk) 02:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Since you claim to be a Honduran lawyer, here are some suggestions that relate to providing reliably-sourced information on wikipedia:

Please provide reliably-sourced information regarding the formal and practical experience of obtaining habeas corpus for people who are detained in Honduras. This is an important aspect of the legal situation in Honduras, and the stronger that habeas corpus is defended in Honduras now, the stronger it will remain following any future Honduran government, whether it's a de facto or a post-constitutional-assembly friendly-to-Chavez-but-independent-Honduran government over the next 10-20 years. This might even be enough for an individual wikipedia article, since the hundreds of forced disappearances under the 1982 Constitution make concern about habeas corpus quite important under this constitution;
Please request or help La Gaceta to publish all its issues online, preferably as text rather than just scans, but scans would be better than nothing. This official information is necessary for all Hondurans, as well as for all Honduran and non-Honduran wikipedians wishing to establish encyclopedic type information about Honduras. It seems to me quite possible that both future de facto governments and post-constitutional-assembly governments will retain La Gaceta, in order to try to retain trust from the population.

Even if you're not a lawyer, you're someone highly motivated and living in Honduras, so these are things you might want to think of doing. Boud (talk) 19:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

RfC at 2009 Honduran coup d'état regarding mention of the constitutional crisis in the lede

I'd like your opinion, and that of other editors that have been interested in the Honduran articles, at Talk:2009_Honduran_coup_d'état#RfC:_Do_the_sources_support_the_mention_of_coup_as_part_of_the_constitutional_crisis_in_the_lede_of_this_article.3F. Thanks! Moogwrench (talk) 22:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Iraq War Resister Ehren Watada's article is nominated for deletion

Greetings Iraq War Resister Ehren Watada's article is nominated for deletion. See this link: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ehren_Watada_(2nd_nomination) - Sincerely, Boyd Reimer (talk) 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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Lorentz factor and \equiv sign

Hello, in 2004, you create Lorentz factor article with this formula

\gamma \equiv {\frac {1}{\sqrt {1-\beta ^{2}}}}

Could you explain what does mean $\equiv$ ? Why is it not simply = sign? Pamputt (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

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WikiLeaks cable template

Just dropping a note to say well done on the template! Very nice work, very. Ravensfire (talk) 01:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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2010–2011 Algerian protests

up for a reorg of the page? looks like the next hot topic..Lihaas (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

no content removal obviously . just some cleaning, was going to do it through the talk page, but would be more helpful if someone else wanted to do so too. you seemed to be the regfular on the page, and the algerian fellow who disappeared(Lihaas (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)).

2010–2011 anti-government protests

As a contributor to this article, you may be interested to know I have nominated it for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010–2011 anti-government protests. Robofish (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Slogans in 2011 Chinese protests

Dear Boud, I have seen that you have corrected the slogans in this article. However, it is looking to me as if we have a duplicate slogan here in line 5 and 2nd part of line 4. What do you think? It also would be good to have the original sources indicated, since some slogans date February 19 and some seem to be added later. The original slogans on boxun.com were in Chinese only, as far as I saw a screenshot in a tv documentation. In line 4, the Chinese part is missing. The original was "结束一党专政!". Sorry I write it here on your personal talk page, but the talk page of the articles is far too long now, I was afraid you did not see it and it is a personal question for you, you might delete this after considering the case. Best, Zhangjiandong (talk) 04:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the good solution you found! Zhangjiandong (talk) 14:03, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Military intervention in Libya

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DYK for Iman al-Obeidi

Hi Boud. Just letting you as one of the main editors of Iman al-Obeidi know that it's currently being nominated for DYK. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to two votes

Dear Boud, I have noticed that you have spent some time helping with the article "2011 Chinese protests". Therefore I would like to inform you about two votes going on:

"Vote for renaming article to "Chinese Jasmine Revolution"" at the bottom of the page

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:2011_Chinese_protests

AfD for the article

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/China's_2011_crackdown_on_dissidents#China.27s_2011_crackdown_on_dissidents

Thank you very much for your valued opinion! Best, Waikiki lwt (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: 2011 Saudi Arabian protests

I think the best person to speak to about this is Lihaas. She has worked on the article. Talk to her and see what her opinion is. Tell her I sent you :D Good luck -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk)

Yemen Uprising

Hello, please share your thoughts on this rename request: Talk:2011_Yemeni_protests#Uprising.3F --Smart (talk) 08:45, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi

I'm here just to tell you that your recent edits in Iman al-Obeidi article made me wet my eyes. It was shit funny (sorry for the profanity).--Rafy talk 17:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

re:the demographic bias problem

hi. I'm aware of the cultural bias in wikipedia. I would for example report such an article for deletion if found in Arabic wiki even though it has enough references. At the same time I can imagine some feeling uneasy about This famous Iraqi meme in the English wikipedia. And to be honest I'm not sure whether this is dire issue that needs to be tackled. It simply goes down to how readers view topics according to their cultural backgrounds.

Regarding murdered Iraqi intellectuals, one simple reason I would think of is that community leaders (usually with an academic degree) of both Sunni's and Shi'ite were seen as a fair game by militant groups, and having them assassinated was simply part of the power game. I remember a female professor being assassinated inside the campus of the Mosul university, it was then clear to insiders that this was orchestrated by the KRG since she was seen as part of the Ba'ath regime and she openly opposed their role in Nineveh province. I could imagine this was more widespread in mixed areas (Baghdad, Ba'quba, Hilla, etc.). I have to say that my opinion is not shared by most Iraqis who would simply tell you that it's a Zionist conspiracy.

I am keen to improving the Violence against academics in post-invasion Iraq article in the future as I'm quite busy with study now. I will try including the deleted list of Killed academics or just copy/revise the Brussels tribunal one. --Rafy talk 09:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Manal al-Sharif

I just saw the excellent article on Manal al-Sharif, on which it appears you were a major contributor, and nominated it for Wikipedia's front page at T:DYK. Would you like to go there [4] and see my proposed hook? Feel free to alter it if I have facts wrong or you see a better one. Best, Khazar (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I credited you and Ibnadem as the creators. Is there anyone else who should be added? It's hard to sort out that article's history with all the vandalism. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating it! i commented over there - a slight wording change is needed IMHO. As for credit, in some sense the vandals - from Saudi Arabian IPs - could be credited for motivating me to improve the article... But probably better not to focus "publicly" on them. Boud (talk) 12:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that vandalism got me highly motivated, too. If it goes on for another 24 hours, you might request page protection from an admin; no reason be reverting every hour. Anyway, cheers on a good piece, Khazar (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hatoon al-Fassi

On 10 June 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hatoon al-Fassi, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that King Saud University assistant professor of women's history Hatoon al-Fassi has not been allowed to teach since 2001? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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School to prison. Appreciate the thought but not sure the 'plate is appropriate here. Not every article has to be internationalist. GeoBard^Rap 02:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:School-to-prison_pipeline#what_is_the_topic_here.3F_does_the_.22concept.22_and.2For_the_reality_extend_beyond_the_USA.3F

also

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Chink#OPEN_MOVE_Proposal._Suggesting:_Ch.2Ank-.3E_Prejudicial_speech.23Asians_or_C.2A.2A.2Ak_.28ethnic_slur.29 23:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for `Ulaysha Prison

On 24 June 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article `Ulaysha Prison, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Khaled al-Johani, "the only brave man in Saudi Arabia", was thrown into Mabahith's `Ulaysha Prison on the Saudi Arabian "Day of Rage"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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GDL

Hello,

Regarding the removal of text from the GDL page: I'm the author of the intro text on the GDL website, and I've put in myself on Wikipedia - is it enough to "sort out licensing on the talk page"?

Best, Sylwester — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.87.7.106 (talk) 12:22, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Tripoli map

The map you are inserting is out-of-date and showing rebel-held territory from back in February before loyalists crushed them. Puting that map into this article is missrepresentation of the situation and readers who come to the article can get the wrong idea. So best that you create a totaly new map. Until than don't insert an old map. It would be like inserting the map of the situation during the first battle of Kharkov into the second battle of Kharkov and saying that's the situation during the second battle. EkoGraf (talk) 10:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Gaddafi as a Supporter Rightwing and Heads of state?

Gaddafi had close ties with two European right-wing heads of state, Slobodan Milošević and Jörg Haider, who were both anti-Islamic politicians.

At first is/was only Milosevic a Head of State, Haider was only the leader of a party. And Milosevic were a Socialist he wasnt a Rigtist. The atrribtue "anti-Islamic" isnt wright because Serbia fight not only against Cosovo-Albanians und Bosnians, Serbia fight in the Yugoslavia wars against Croatia too. Jörg Haider was not specially against muslim emigrants,he was an Populist who mobillilzed and agitated with xenophonic sterotypes and he was absoltully an Oppurtunist.--77.2.25.1 (talk) 15:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.114.44.225 (talk)

This seems to be an editing proposal at: Talk:Muammar_Gaddafi#Rightwing_and_Heads_of_state.3F. Boud (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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List of killed, threatened or kidnapped Iraqi academics

Hi, remember our little discussion 6 months ago? Could you restore this page to my userspace? I will try to see if I can salvage anything to create an acceptable article.--Rafy talk 16:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I will take a look at the links and references you mentioned.--Rafy talk 02:20, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a valid point there. I will contact a user who created similar lists at arwiki to work on polishing the list before publishing it.--Rafy talk 16:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Higgs boson

I don't understand this edit. At this point the fact that there have been reports of considerable interest in the 125 GeV range have been completely removed from the article. While not yet confirmed, it is significant in the topic, so it should be in there somewhere, I think, although perhaps also sourced to a CERN release. Would you reconsider? FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 11:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Committee for the Defense of Human Rights in Arabian Peninsula

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Women to drive movement

You did a great job with the article. Maybe you should think about nominating it in the DYK section :-) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 04:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I added the red link but adding a red link and writing a good article are not on the same scale hence no credit should goto me :-) I however still think it will pass DYK and will be on the main page in its current stage. Try, you got nothing to lose. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I looked for arabic sources for Society for Development and Change and came out with nothing and couldnt find a website for them either :S But the article looks good. FYI: Some news outlets come to wiki and look at the latest article about MENA to know what they will right about :D -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Let know if you are free, I need help with two things Im working on at the moment. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Well I need someone to review this article ASAP. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

That's fine, It a HUGE article to review to be honest but I might be lucky enough and find someone to review it soon. Anyways, I was was wondering if you can write this section. There is a source that can be easily used and if you need more, it wont be an issue. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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Kamal Abbas (Cropped)

I was wondering if you could give you opinion on the picture nomination to be a featured picture. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thanks for helping out EL and I with el-Hamalawy's draft article ;) You think it's too late for us to nominate it for the January 25th slot? --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Society for Development and Change

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The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Women to drive movement

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The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Samar Badawi

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The DYK project (nominate) 16:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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New Lawyers for Liberty article

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DYK for Lawyers for Liberty

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DYK for Hamza Kashgari

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DYK for Local Coordination Committees of Syria

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DYK for Nimr al-Nimr

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Help

I was wondering if you are interested in writing about Khaled Ali. Ocaasi and myself will help you with the article if you want. Just let me know if you are up for it. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Specialized Criminal Court

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Bahraini uprising

Hello,

Since you were involved in the past in editing the article, I though you might be interested in a this discussion. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 16:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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"Linear functional" Dab HatNote

Edit-summarizing with "disambiguation", you added, as a HatNote on Linear functional

This article deals with linear transformations from a vector space it its field of scalars. These transformations may be functionals in the traditional sense of functions of functions, but this is not necessarily true.

and it now reads

This article deals with linear maps from a vector space to its field of scalars. These maps may be functionals in the traditional sense of functions of functions, but this is not necessarily the case.

(I haven't examined who contributed to the changes of wording.)
I have several interrelated concerns about it, and would appreciate any assistance you could offer in resolving them.

While "disambiguation" has senses to which Dab (and for that matter MoSDab) do not apply, i'm assuming you'd otherwise have said something in your summary to overcome the presumption that you meant "disambiguation of this WP article's title". Most obviously, that would IMO imply applying the discipline that the HatNote templates adhere to, where only the existing article(s) that would be contenders for the title being Dab'd are linked from within the HatNote (or Dab page). But the original and current versions both have four links, apparently without the expectation that the reader may have gotten to Linear functional even tho the topic they were seeking was linear map, vector space, scalar (mathematics), or functional (mathematics); i'm incredulous toward the implication that each of the four might be sought at "linear functional", and i await a reason why even "Linear map" might reasonably be sought there.
IMO, the wording "These transformations" (or "... maps") creates the presumption that the succeeding predicate of the sentence applies to the whole class specified, and thus makes "may" suggest that mathematicians take seriously a conjecture that every member of the class is a "functional in [etc.]", but the conjecture remains unproven -- rather than that one class is a proper subclass of the other, which (but for the choice of "these") i would have thot more likely.
Slightly compounding the ambiguity, "such" can be taken to mean either
1. "linear" or
2. "linear, and VS --> [associated-]scalar-field".
Bottom line, my best understanding is
1. that the HatNote is intended to quash the natural but false expectation that every linear functional is both a linear map and a functional,
2. that such confusion may be worth dispelling (but is not a matter of our having an article on linear maps that are functionals, and thus raises no need to assist users in navigating to any other actual WP article(s) on (a) topic(s) to which the title "linear functional" could apply), and
3. that the HatNote would better be removed, with that confusion-relief being provided by including -- probably immediately after the initial sentence of the existing lead 'graph -- something like:
  (While some linear functionals are functionals -- i.e., functions of functions -- the terminology is not intended to imply that about every linear functional.)
Of course, if i am misunderstanding your intent, perhaps a different HatNote Dab (which would link only to additional actual WP articles whose topics could be called "linear functional") is needed to replace the confusing existing HatNote.

Thanks for your attention.
--Jerzy•t 04:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mohammed Saleh al-Bejadi

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DYK nomination of Timeline of the 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests (from July 2012)

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Rep+

Hi, user. I'm sorry for that summary thing. I was in a rush to help add the list of casualties in the saudi article.

The young protester was killed is allegedly trying to throw the molotov cocktail. This is the recent news, maybe its useful for your edit.

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE86D03B20120714

By the way, have you check the sources in the Rasid website? I'm not sure if that site will cover the whole Saudi protests but as for Eastern province, it's the only source so far we can count of. Its in Arabic, but you can see in English through Google translation. Thanks 115.132.41.110 (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, user. You forgot the Iranian concern about Saudi Arabia shootings, here take a look:

http://dawn.com/2012/07/11/iran-concerned-over-saudi-violence-against-shiites/

Thanks. 110.159.61.230 (talk) 08:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Sara bint Talal

Hello, you recently moved this article. But it is pronounced Al Saud آل سعود and not Al-Saud السعود or al-Saud. So I think it should be fixed. Thanks, Egeymi (talk) 15:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

thank

Thank you for Edits you about Saudi Arabian protests--2.91.145.105 (talk) 17:19, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Finmeccanica

Hi Boud, i deleted your lines about Wikileaks because in my opinion they sound like too much “breaking news”, too much “newspaper style”. I think Notability criteria may be haven’t been respected here. Let me know what you think about that. Have a nice day,--Artemide81 (talk) 12:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Syria Files

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Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Timeline of the 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests (from July 2012)

On 21 July 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Timeline of the 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests (from July 2012), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Eastern Province Saudi Arabians called for the downfall of the House of Saud during July 2012 protests? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Timeline of the 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests (from July 2012). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK hook changed

Hi, I wanted to give you as the reviewer notice of a change I made to a DYK hook that is in the queue; see Talk:Michaela DePrince#DYK nomination. Sandstein 07:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Have a Barnstar!

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		For your coverage of the ongoing protest movement in Saudi Arabia. You've done some excellent work there, many times all by yourself! Mohamed CJ (talk)

DYK's

Thanks :). In case you're interested, Template:Did you know nominations/Mohammad Fahad al-Qahtani has been sitting waiting for a review for a week now - al-Qahtani seems to be something like a Saudi Arabian Nabeel Rajab. Boud (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It's late now; I'll look into it tomorrow inshallah. I have two nominations sitting too 1, 2. Mohamed CJ (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, do you read Arabic? Reading the Arabic part of BICI about "may be attributed" might help clarify the point. It's found in page 303 para 934 [5]. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Very little. In any case, discussing this makes most sense at the Buhmaid talk page. By the way, i rarely download videos, but i've downloaded and watched the AJE/youtube video. It seems very thorough and well done. Boud (talk) 21:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you saw it. It's the best work done on the Bahraini uprising; I've seen five, maybe six documentaries, but none of them was as comprehensive or emotional as this one. It sorta made "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" be wrong :) I remember my whole family crying when we first saw it. Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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