User talk:Ammodramus/Archive 4

Tomorrow, Nebraska

I've nominated Tamora for DYK; see T:TDYK for the nomination. Please feel free to suggest a better hook if you can think of one; I couldn't really think of anything other than the weak suggestion that I posted there. Nyttend (talk) 03:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK nomination for Tamora, Nebraska. Your phrasing looked pretty good; certainly, as good as anything I could've come up with. Unfortunately, that problem existed in the sources as well. I suspect that there's a version of the naming story in which the founders agreed "to name it tomorrow", or something to that effect; and, in keeping with their agreement, they named it Tomorrow. However, I can't find a source that phrases it that neatly, and it would be a mortal sin to introduce a phrase of my own invention in quote-marks into the article.

Incidentally, how'd you find the article so quickly? Do you have your watchlist arranged so that new articles in "Category:Unincorporated communities in Nebraska" automatically go onto it when they're created or added to the category? Or did your watchlist show you the change in Seward County, Nebraska or the Seward County template, and you then followed the link by hand?

--Ammodramus (talk) 14:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. I couldn't find anything else that DYK wants for "interesting" in the article, so I'm glad that you think well of my hook :-) Have you had DYK credits in the past, or will this be your first? I'm not a good enough writer to be able to get lots of GAs and FAs (all I have are two GAs, and they took more time than I can normally spare), so DYKs are my main concentration, and I'm always glad to be able to nominate someone else's work. And yes, I found it through the watchlist — all county templates nationwide are on my watchlist. That's the only way I could do it; I removed all of the Nebraska community and county articles from my watchlist a couple of months ago in order to spend less time on Wikipedia, and I don't think there's a way to be notified when a category is populated. Nyttend (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the nomination, and I'll take it as a compliment, although it's not because of anything clever that I did myself...

I've been editing for not quite a year, and during that time most of my effort has been focused on photography; so I don't have any GA's or FA's; in fact, I've only got 8 A's, though I've made what I regard as major contributions to about as many more existing articles. When the winter sets in and conditions become less favorable for birding and photography, I hope to do more article-writing and -editing. I've got a couple of articles in the pipeline, but they're moving slowly—especially since the Kearney and UNK libraries are closed for the Labor Day weekend.

Speaking of articles in the pipeline, one of them deals with an NRHP site in Dawes County, Nebraska, and I'm perplexed regarding the name. The site in question is the former library at Chadron State College. In the NRIS, it's listed as "Library". In National Register of Historic Places listings in Dawes County, Nebraska, it's Library (Chadron, Nebraska); but that's not a whole lot better, since the Chadron Public Library is also on the NRHP, and may have its own article one day. I'm planning to name the article Mari Sandoz High Plains Heritage Center, for the building's present use; but according to WP:NRHPMOS, there should be a redirect page with the official name. The problem is that if and when Chadron Public Library is written, Library (Chadron, Nebraska) should probably be a dab page pointing to both articles. Any thoughts? Advice would be welcome; I was planning to post this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, but will use this occasion as a pretext to pester you about it first.

--Ammodramus (talk) 15:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Let me think about it; I'll get back to you after I finish a quick photo trip. Nyttend (talk) 15:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

No hurry at all—I won't get certain essential sources (hopefully, the nom form among them) until ta-MOR-a at the earliest. Good luck with the photo expedition. I had a great one down by Webster County, Nebraska Saturday, which has left me with a huge bolus of new photos in my edit-and-upload queue.

--Ammodramus (talk) 15:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back; it was only a little more than three miles round trip by bicycle, and I have photos for three of the sites at National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Indiana. I'd advise you to go ahead with the names you suggest; producing a disambiguation page would be quite reasonable. Alternately, you could call it something like "Old Chadron State College Library" or "Chadron State College Media Center", since it served the latter purpose after the new library was built. Finally, you could just produce an article on all the Chadron State College buildings that are NR-listed; the MPS form is online and has a good deal of coverage for each of them. Nyttend (talk) 16:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a million—I tried searching focus.nps for the nom form, but didn't think of looking at the college as a group. Clearly I need to learn a lot more about searching the site. I've been relying on the Nebraska State Historical Society website, which is great but which doesn't have all the nom forms uploaded yet. I e-mailed someone at NSHS who's sent me nom forms in the past, but she's out of the office until Tuesday.

I'm going to stick with the Sandoz Center name, since that's the building's present function, and since Sandoz is a major figure in Nebraska letters. For the latter reason, I'm going to make it a separate article and not incorporate it into a single article on all of the college's NRHP buildings. I'm not sure what I'll do with the official NRHP name in the lead. WP:NRHPMOS wants me to put the official name in as one of the bolded alternative names; but "The Mari Sandoz High Plains Heritage Center, also known as Library, is a..." sounds kind of silly.

OK, time to stop procrastinating and get to work on the Sandoz Center article...

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tamora, Nebraska

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Pohocco Township, Saunders County, Nebraska

Just curious — is "Nebraksa" really part of the title of the source you used for this township's etymology? My computer won't download, so I can't check to see if it's your typo or someone else's. Nyttend (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Embarrassment is mine. Thanks for catching the error—it's one of my favorite typos. Which is not an excuse, but a reason why I should be more careful about it...

For what it's worth, the addition to Pohocco Township, Saunders County, Nebraska came about because I'm working on Pahuk, which is on the NRHP; I hope that within a day or so, it will cease to be a red link. On the other hand, it's going to be a beast to photograph. I have a very good idea where it's located, but judging by the Google satellite image, I'm not going to get a good picture without a boat.

--Ammodramus (talk) 20:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. A pity that it's restricted; I hate trying to get pictures when I know almost exactly where a site is, but not quite. And I know what you mean about needing a boat: the Dravo Gravel Site near Cincinnati, Ohio is located at 39°11′28″N 84°45′0″W, atop a bluff along the Great Miami River; the bluff would be an easy photo from the river, but the map will show you how far it is from any roads that don't have trees between them and the site. Nyttend (talk) 21:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

The Dravo site looks a lot like the situation at Pahuk. There's a road that runs across the site from the south and dead-ends near the edge of the bluff, so I suspect that I can actually walk out onto it. However, that'd just leave me standing on what the nom form describes as a peneplain. The opposite bank of the river is mostly private land; moreover, there's a good-sized wooded island in the river. I think my best bet is to hope for a very dry summer, during which I can walk out into the Platte. First, though, I need a very water-tight container for my camera...

--Ammodramus (talk) 21:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused: couldn't you just take a picture from around the road that shows the top of the bluff? On a different note, you could hope for a very cold winter, during which you can walk out onto the Platte. Nyttend (talk) 21:24, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

The bluff-top picture is going to be a last resort, since it's probably going to show nothing but fields with some trees beyond. I think that it might be possible to get permission to go into the woods, and it's possible that I can get some kind of decent shot from there; or, if nothing else, maybe a clear shot of the river from above. The woods are of biological interest, so I'd like a shot of them anyhow. However, I'd rather have something a little more impressive for the infobox photo.

You're determined to get me out on the ice, aren't you? (See User_talk:Ammodramus#Old_Elkhorn_River_Bridge). I didn't pick the username "Ammodramus" just because "Eliza" was already taken.

--Ammodramus (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

:-) I'd totally forgotten about that other ice incident. Confused, though: what do you mean about Eliza? As to the bluff itself, do you mean 41.421201°N 96.550255°W / 41.421201; -96.550255? I couldn't find anything else in the Cedar Bluff vicinity that closer resembled the description. Nyttend (talk) 04:10, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I was torn between Eliza and Hans Brinker...

I think the bluff is at 41.434596°N 96.597168°W / 41.434596; -96.597168. On the NSHS website, it's illustrated with this aerial photo. Note the road that runs northward to the edge of the bluff and then turns east, the shape of the wooded area inland and to the west of the road, and the gully east of the road. A newspaper story that I didn't cite in the Pahuk article described the site's owners' problem with wildcat dumping, facilitated by a road running up to the bluff edge; I think that's what Google Maps calls County Road 16.

From birding the area, I know that there's gated private land immediately southeast of Fremont Lakes SRA. I think that my best bet for a picture is to try to work through the park down to the riverbank, and see how far upstream I can get before hitting no-trespassing fences. Of course, if I get too far upstream, then the wooded island immediately north of the site will cause problems.

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pahuk

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sand Hills photo

Thanks for the fix on the date of the Nebraska Sandhills photo. It looks more like June than July, except in an unusually wet summer.

Any chance you could supply location? The Sandhills is a pretty big region, and it might be a good thing if we could be a little more specific—say, to county, or to nearest town.

--Ammodramus (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure. On it's description page I added a link to where I first uploaded it, http://www.flickr.com/photos/pfly/20869021/ where there's precise coordinates...too precise really, but it should be somewhere near 42.091216°N 102.098479°W / 42.091216; -102.098479. I think the closest town is Bingham, Nebraska. I'll add that to the caption. Also, I'm pretty sure it was May, now that I think about it. The June date probably relates to the upload date, or the date I edited it, or something. It was rainy when I was there, and had been for a while. Everything was so green. Pfly (talk) 18:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed you added that photo on the Bingham page. Such a metropolis! I think that was where I turned off the main road to head north on a tiny little road, getting lost for a while. Pfly (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. Too bad you don't know the exact date, but it's still a nice photo. May's probably closer than June, since in the summer the grass usually starts turning brown. Depends on how rainy it is, though—this year, we had an insanely wet June, and it stayed green for a long time after.

Getting lost in the Sandhills is great; I try to do it reguarly. It helps to carry a Delorme atlas, which has lots of imaginary roads.

Speaking of getting lost, a friend and I did so in the Wallowas once: only for an hour or so, not long enough to get seriously stressed. I see you've been there and like the place; it's got to be some of the finest country in the world. Kind of chilly when you slip and fall in the fords, though...

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I did have a Delorme atlas, otherwise I wouldn't have thought to turn off Hwy 2 in Bingham. The atlas made it look like there was a road connection between 2 and 27. I hoped to drive through to 27 and back down to 2 without backtracking anywhere. But after a while the little road I was on forked in increasingly confusing ways. Eventually it seemed that every way led to a ranch, and I didn't want to invade anyone's privacy, so I drove back to Bingham. Still, it was a high point of that road trip. And yes, the Wallowas are great. My first time there was a surprise. I didn't know there were mountains like that in northeast Oregon--we were heading for Hells Canyon and blam--my idea of NE Oregon being a desert was wiped out. Pfly (talk) 19:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Your Bingham-to-nowhere experience sounds like dozens of mine. One of Delorme's pseudo-roads even had a name: they'd labelled it "Alliance-Refuge Road" or something like that. Despite that, I soon found myself on a cowpath, and had to turn around and go back.

For your future information, though, in case you ever find yourself in the Sandhills again: Out there, roads often run right through ranch-house yards, without there being a distinct driveway branching off the road. Generally you'll go over a cattle guard through the fence around the yard, drive past the house, then go across another cattle guard on the other side and keep right on going and going and going. It can be hard to tell at times whether you're on a real county road or a private drive. Of course, if the road runs straight into a shed, it's probably the latter. And although I've never yet had to make use of the adage, remember that the guy with the shotgun is always right...

Ammodramus (talk) 20:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

It did seem like that might be the case--that despite going over a cattle guard and heading toward a house the road might go through. But by the time I stopped, confused, it was shortly after dawn and the ranchers were just heading out with trailers that appeared to be full of cattle (do they truck the cattle out to pasture?). I could have just waved one down and asked, but I was feeling shy, and tired after a long overnight drive, so I backtracked. In hindsight I wish I had stopped to talk. But...not only feeling shy and tired, but rather out of place in my little car with Washington plates... If I do end up passing through the Sandhills again I'll be sure to get lost again though. Pfly (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I was just reading up this talk page a little and about "Tomorrow", NE (funny name origin story there). It sounds like you're from Kearney, NE--I was just reading the latest National Geographic. Perhaps you've seen it--its main article is on animal migrations and explicitly mentions Kearney as a vital stopover spot for the Sandhill Crane migrations. There's even a map that makes Kearney look like a kind of funnel point along the migration routes. It made me wonder if the Sandhill Crane and Kearney, Nebraska pages should mention each other--and was a strange syncronicity in any case. Pfly (talk) 05:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

One of those things—I've missed out on dozens of potentially interesting conversations because I was feeling worn out, and not up to the stress of approaching strangers, although they probably would've been friendly. I've got friends who don't know the meaning of shyness, and I badly envy them.

Haven't seen the latest Nat'l Geo, but this stretch of the Platte is a major crane hotspot in the spring. You can drive the gravel roads south of the river and see tens of thousands of them standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the fields, foraging for waste grain and bugs and frogs and things. Hard-core birders will spend hours scanning those flocks, because in those tens of thousands of Sandhills, there's likely to be a single Common Crane—common in Europe, but extremely rare in the New World.

Until you mentioned it, I hadn't realized that the Kearney, Nebraska article didn't mention the cranes. To tell the truth, it's a pretty sorry article, and one of these days I need to do a major revision of it. It's going to take a lot of research, though, and I'm currently focusing on other things. Too, while there's some very interesting local history, sources are frustratingly hard to find, and most of them are of the find-your-ancestors sort.

Belatedly thought of a story that sort-of connects the Wallowas with your mention of the size of Bingham, Nebraska. I spent about five days in the W's with a friend; he was coming up from San Francisco, and I was coming down from Seattle. We set a rendezvous in Medical Springs, Oregon; and since this was long, long before the existence of Google Maps (indeed, Rand McNally had only recently switched over from clay tablets to paper), we had no idea how big the town was; so we decided to meet in front of the post office. Got there and discovered that MS consisted of about two buildings. Made finding one another fairly easy, although it meant that the one who arrived first couldn't hang out in a cafe or bar until the other one got there...

--Ammodramus (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lindy, Nebraska

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikilinking newspapers in footnotes

Read with great interest your Kearney Hub article, and noticed that you'd added Wikilinks to that article in a number of footnotes in other articles citing stories from the paper.

Is this standard Wikipedia practice? My own inclination in composing citations to online newspaper stories is to place a link specifically to the story at the title; and then an external link to the paper's main website at the paper's name. Thus at Kenesaw, Nebraska, I linked to the Hub website when I inserted the reference re. the Kenesaw Homestead Act, a link that you replaced with an internal link to the Hub article.

I am inclined to think that the practice I've been following is more useful, if only in helping readers deal with dead links; but there are certainly arguments to be made for yours as well. Is there a Wikipedia convention governing this, or is it up to the individual editor? If there is such a convention, could you tell me where to find it? I've looked through WP:CITE and a number of links therefrom, but haven't found anything specific.

Thanks in advance for your attention to this; could you please reply at my talk page?

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Ammodramus, in my experience, I've found its common to include a link to the specific newspaper article's URL, and add a wikilink for the source (like Kearney Hub), as I've done. I don't know if there is any guidance more specific, but what I saw on those cites is not very common in my experience, though it wasn't really hurting anything--its just when i create a newspaper article I try to add some links to it where appropriate so it is not orphaned. I used to do my news cites using Template:cite news, and though that isn't explicit on the point, that's what I understood to be common. If you look at a popular article like Joe Biden you'll see many of the cites don't include any link in the source mention, but those that do use wikilinks and not direct links. Anyway, I appreciate you checking out the article--it was a very random selection, I like to create articles on newspapers that seem to merit an article. The big one I'm trying to finish up soon is User:Milowent/Sunday Mercury (New York), but smaller papers are usually interesting too.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Since there doesn't appear to be a standard convention, I'll stick to my own practice. As I said, there are arguments to be made both ways: mine is more useful if the link to the story goes dead, but yours is better if a reader wants to check out the reputation of the paper. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to combine the two.

I watch a lot of Nebraska articles, which is how your edits came to my attention. I actually live in Kearney, and an article on the Hub has been on my to-do list for a long time. I've done a couple of newspaper articles: Columbus Telegram and Hastings Tribune; I'd planned to do the Hub at some indefinite future date, but it probably would've been in the fairly distant future. Glad that someone actually did it.

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Sounds fine to me, and please feel free to improve or edit the Hub article when you see fit!--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 04:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I generally do the same as Milowent, with the sole exception of italicising the newspaper's name. One thing confuses me: how is linking to the newspaper's website more helpful to the reader if the story link goes dead? I suspect that I misunderstand you. And you're welcome for the courthouse fix :-) Nyttend (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Johnson County Courthouse (Nebraska)

Ouch. Thanks for catching my error—I thought I'd proofread more carefully. Ammodramus (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I've found that a lot of dead links to newspaper stories are the result of the paper's reconfiguring its website—the story's still in there, but its URL has been changed. A link to the paper's main page makes it easier for the interested reader to search the archive and try to find the lost story.

This doesn't just apply to newspapers. When I cite an article at, for example, the Nebraska State Historical Society's website, I follow the article-specific link with one to the NSHS's main page.

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Printed local histories?

Are you familiar with any printed local histories of Nuckolls or Webster counties? You'll remember that I asked you for photos of the church in Superior that was once part of my denomination; as part of a school project, I'm attempting to "buy" (using imaginary money) copies of local histories for areas in which my denomination was formerly or is currently present. I'm having the hardest time with Nebraska; the only relevant book I can find is for Dodge County, as there was a short-lived church in Wahoo, but I can't find anything for the southern part of the state. I'm not asking for histories that mention specific churches; I'm just curious if you've used books that talk about the history of these counties, so that I can look for them online. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure that there are such printed histories, although I haven't used them myself. Many counties and towns in Nebraska have centennial histories or the like; but I suspect that most of them are out of print, were produced in very small numbers, and can now only be found locally or at the Nebraska State Historical Society.

You might find it worth checking the historic-buildings surveys conducted by the NSHS for the two counties: Nuckolls and Webster. Each of these includes a brief history of the county and of the towns in it (an invaluable resource, if you're trying to find something online about, say, Tamora, Nebraska); and after the histories, there're lists of references. In there, I find The Wonderful Years: A History of Nuckolls County, Nebraska, 1871-1971. It was published by the Superior Express, so was probably only available locally. There's also a Webster County: Visions of the Past by Mabel Cooper-Skjelver; a quick check shows that Amazon will sell you a copy, if you've got $185 burning a hole in your pocket.

Apart from that, I can't suggest much. For what it's worth, you might be able to find something about Webster County in works dealing with Willa Cather, who grew up in Red Cloud.

Is this a long-term project? I don't anticipate being in either county in the very near future, but I'd be glad to look in the local libraries the next time I find myself in that part of the state.

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the pointers. Some of the works mentioned in the surveys I already knew about — for example, I was already trying to find a copy of From 'Hoppers to 'Copters, mentioned in both county surveys; the problem was that I couldn't find anything at any price for these books, whether digital books from Google or printed books from Amazon or other websites. They're often present at Google Books, but only in profiles, such as The Wonderful Years. For this project, I have an imaginary budget of $2500, but it has to be spent for books from across the country, so $185 is somewhat too much; however, thanks for mentioning it, for I'm quite confident that I did not find it when looking on Amazon. As for the project itself — no, this is not a long-term project. It's for a collection development class in my MLS program, and the final project due date is the end of this month. While the project involves building the collection of a real library (my project being that of my denomination's seminary), the idea is that the money is from a donation; they're not likely to have this much money become available for local history books in Nebraska. Thanks very much for the offer of help; it's appreciated. Nyttend (talk) 02:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Just re-read the entire sequence of messages, and caught something I'd missed in your first one: Wahoo is in Saunders County, not Dodge County. Just in case it makes a difference... Ammodramus (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it does make a difference. The church in Wahoo had a branch in Fremont, which is in Dodge County, but it lasted for a short enough period of time that a history for it is less important, so I may cut that book if I need to make cuts somewhere. Thanks for the help! Nyttend (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Human Services Center

Hah, I was there on black Friday and took a few pictures and just haven't had a chance to upload them yet. Payback for beating you to the Chief Standing Bear Memorial Bridge I suppose. I wasn't able to get as many as I wanted, but I got a few good shots. I actually know several people who work there, and one of them is going to let me know the next time they have an open house of the old condemned buildings so I can get in there and take some interior pictures. I'll see what I can dig up on sources. As far as what picture to use for the article I think two are needed. One of the old building on the NRHP list and one of the main entrance to the new buildings on the North East end of the campus. -- sdgjake (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Your pictures will probably be better than mine. I'd never been to the HSC before, and all I knew about it was what I learned from a quick skim of the article right before I left for Yankton. Furthermore, I had lots of sites to photograph up there, and not a lot of time. I took a quick stroll across the campus, shooting when something photogenic hove into view, then tore off to my next site.

If you know the place at all, you might want to improve my descriptions at Commons; I think I just used something generic like "Buildings at Human Services Center..." If you can give names, dates, and/or architectural styles to the buildings, it'd be a great improvement.

--Ammodramus (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Omaha

Ammodramus!

I just noticed your photos in Omaha. Keep up the great work. I'd thought you said you weren't a city photographer? Actually, taking city pix is a lot easier. They're fairly close together, and have real street adresses and everything. Happy Holidays (if I don't say hello again before leaving for Xmas in Montreal (an NRHP break)). Smallbones (talk) 03:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks—I don't spend a lot of time in Omaha, but I had to pick someone up at the airport (and to look for the Black-bellied Whistling-Duck that'd been reported at a pond in the city). Some time ago, I'd told Freechild that I'd try to get illustrations for some of the many articles he's written on Omaha sites, so I went down early to give myself some photography time. Unfortunately, it was pretty gloomy: white buildings like the George H. Kelly House and The Sherman (Omaha, Nebraska) really need a blue sky for background.

Enjoy Montreal. I'm writing this from Hendersonville, North Carolina, on the way to Charleston, South Carolina, so I don't expect to be doing any Nebraska photography for a while. Still have about forty folders in my edit queue, though, so I won't lack for things to do...

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Map

I see you found the Kansas site, so this map File:Map of Republic Co, Ks, USA.png probably isn't useful. And to think that last summer I was almost there (I saw the arrows pointing north) and I could have gone and taken photos of the wrong place! Smallbones (talk) 01:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the map. The Kansas site isn't photographed out yet. I got there on one of their closed days, so couldn't get interior photos. Judging by the website, there'd be some good ones.

The Pawnee site was my chief reason for going through Republic County. I'm working on Pike-Pawnee Village Site, but the best photo I've been able to get for that was the historical marker in Guide Rock, Nebraska. Luckily, there's a good story about conflict between the historians of Kansas and Nebraska over where the actual Pike site was, so I can tell the story (and use photos of the Kansas site) in the Nebraska article.

--Ammodramus (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)