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... that George W. Bush, an Evangelical Christian, quoted from the Quran in a speech he delivered(pictured) as president of the United States? Source: Denise M. Bostdorff, "George W. Bush's Post-September 11 Rhetoric of Covenant Renewal: Upholding the Faith of the Greatest Generation", Quarterly Journal of Speech 89, no. 4 (2003): 301–302: President George W. Bush; and an evangelical Christian like the president; and Likewise, in a highly visible speech at the Islamic Center of Washington, the president stated, "Let me quote fromthe Koran itself: 'In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who doevil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.' "
ALT1: ... that George W. Bush, an Evangelical Christian, quoted from Muslim scripture in a speech he delivered(pictured) as president of the United States? Source: Same as ALT0; just a different way of phrasing it
ALT2: ... that George W. Bush's remarks at the Islamic Center of Washington(pictured) on September 17, 2001, were not the first time he had publicly complimented Islam as president? Source: Ahmed H. al-Rahim, "Islam and the White House: American Presidential Discourse on Establishing Official Islam, 1993–2013", Middle East Journal of Culture and Communication 9, no. 1 (2016): 96: President George W. Bush’s first official statement on Islam was made in early 2001, wherein he emphasized the shared values thesis and the role of Muslims in American life and (quoting Bush), The variety of nations and cultures represented by those who travel to Mecca each year, and the varied ways in which Muslims contribute to American life across the United States, are powerful reminders that ethnic and racial differences need not divide us when we share common values and purposes.
Overall: Article is new and long enough. Two QPQs good to go. Earwig returns false positives based on a large number of quotes, of which 80-90% are fine, but 10% could easily be replaced with paraphrasing, but that's up to the nominator to decide. When I read through the article, the overuse of quotations when paraphrasing should suffice stood out to me, but it wasn't necessarily a dealbreaker; there is a good argument that one should rely more on quotes when dealing with hot topics, as it preserves the intent of the author that could otherwise be altered due to unintentional bias. The hooks are cited and interesting, but my personal preference is for ALT0 without mentioning Bush is an evangelical Christian, due to the less is more principle ("...that George W. Bush quoted from the Quran in a speech he delivered as president?") I find that far more interesting, with the understatement doing the heavy work. Also, most of our readers know Bush is Christian, so it's somewhat redundant and unnecessary to me, and further, the Bush family has had a long working relationship with the Saudis, as documented by Craig Unger, so it's not as surprising as you make it out to be. Viriditas (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Fair point on the quotations; while not a DYK dealbreaker, I've gone ahead and changed some of them to paraphrases. I'd also be fine with your trim of ALT0; less is usually more, as you point out. My worry was about the hook landing with a global and not necessarily American audience, but Bush (and every American president) identifying as Christian probably falls under reasonably widespread knowledge. And true that the Bush family and the Saudi Royal Family have had long interactions, though I think that's starting to get into territory of what a particularly well-informed reader knows, and not necessarily one who's only superficially familiar with Bush or American political history. In any case, thanks for reviewing and approving the nomination! Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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Article is new and long enough. Two QPQs good to go. Earwig returns false positives based on a large number of quotes, of which 80-90% are fine, but 10% could easily be replaced with paraphrasing, but that's up to the nominator to decide. When I read through the article, the overuse of quotations when paraphrasing should suffice stood out to me, but it wasn't necessarily a dealbreaker; there is a good argument that one should rely more on quotes when dealing with hot topics, as it preserves the intent of the author that could otherwise be altered due to unintentional bias. The hooks are cited and interesting, but my personal preference is for ALT0 without mentioning Bush is an evangelical Christian, due to the less is more principle ("...that George W. Bush quoted from the Quran in a speech he delivered as president?") I find that far more interesting, with the understatement doing the heavy work. Also, most of our readers know Bush is Christian, so it's somewhat redundant and unnecessary to me, and further, the Bush family has had a long working relationship with the Saudis, as documented by Craig Unger, so it's not as surprising as you make it out to be. Viriditas (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)