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On 2 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Black Widow (Yelena Belova) to Yelena Belova. The result of the discussion was moved.

Proposed move at Black Widow.

For any editors concerned, there is a proposed moved at the disambiguation page Black Widow. If you have anything to add to the discussion, please do. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Black_Widow#Proposed_move Weebro55 (talk) 03:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Black Widow promotional image should be removed as per copyright policy.

Wikipedia's policy that is being cited as basis is from Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #8:

8. Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Non-free media files are not used if they can be replaced by text that serves a similar function.

The copyrighted image is unnecessary and there are images of Florence Pugh on Wikimedia if a reader wants to know her appearance.

The current promotional image should be removed. Character posters are rarely featured on Wikipedia. This shouldn't set a dangerous precedent. Sleptlapps (talk) 11:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have a good point about WP:NFCC policy. My point was that copyrighted images are allowed on Wikipedia, but only if they are demonstrably fair use. This is therefore not, so I will self-revert. IronManCap (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Asexual

Regarding this edit, which was first added by banned editor 21AndSon (talk · contribs), states "She is the first confirmed asexual character in the Marvel Universe."^[1]^[2]^[3] However, upon inspection of the cited sources this information fails verification. The first source is WP:PRIMARY, with no mention of any specific issue, page or passage. The second is a listicle which cites writer Devin Grayson's comment that Yelena is "more likely to identify as asexual". The third is the direct interview with Grayson that is cited in the second source. Grayson's full quote is "[Yelena is] probably more likely to identify as asexual than to follow Nat’s romantic path..." This in no way is a direct confirmation of Yelena's sexual identification. "More like to identify as asexual" does not mean she is asexual. For example, if someone is more likely to graduate with honors does not mean that they did graduate with honors. This is a statement of probability, not certainty, as evident by the usage of the word "Probably". "Probably" in this context qualifies as an expression of doubt. Furthermore, the statement is only made in comparison to Natasha's romantic love life. So in other words all Grayson is saying is that Yelena has a higher chance of being asexual than Natasha. Again, this is by no means a direct confirmation. Lastly, none of the given sources state neither directly, nor indirectly that this is Marvel's first asexual character.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Black Widow: Pale Little Spider #1–3 (June–August 2003) Marvel Comics.
^ Benten, Emma (July 20, 2021). "Marvel: 10 Characters You Didn't Know Were LGBTQ+". Screen Rant. Retrieved July 20, 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ Morse, Ben. "Writer Devin Grayson on Natasha Romanoff, Yelena Belova, and the History of 'Black Widow'". Marvel Entertainment. Archived from the original on January 28, 2021. Retrieved May 21, 2021.

Requested move 2 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 15:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black Widow (Yelena Belova) → Yelena Belova – While this character has predominantly used the alias "Black Widow" since her introduction in the late 1990s, she has used other aliases beyond that. Namely, these are "Super-Adaptoid starting in 2006 and most recently "White Widow" starting in 2021. While WP:Naming conventions (comics)#By codename was sufficient for the decades this character only used "Black Widow", WP:Naming conventions (comics)#By character name seems more applicable nowadays as this character has donned other names and, while Black Widow (Natasha Romanova) is largely deemed the more common/notable Black Widow, the set index Black Widow (Marvel Comics) covers other characters with this name. The character has also been more frequently referred to by her "real" WP:COMMONNAME Yelena Belova in comics and other media, and Yelena Belova (a redirect to this article), provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation for this subject. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: If the character was still mostly referred to by aliases in the comics I would oppose, but if the comics themselves use the name, that seems natural per the article criteria, and also maybe recognizable. Mrfoogles (talk) 23:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Fictional characters, WikiProject Women, WikiProject Comics, and WikiProject Comics/Marvel Comics work group have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Black Widow: Pale Little Spider #1–3 (June–August 2003) Marvel Comics.

[2] Benten, Emma (July 20, 2021). "Marvel: 10 Characters You Didn't Know Were LGBTQ+". Screen Rant. Retrieved July 20, 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[3] Morse, Ben. "Writer Devin Grayson on Natasha Romanoff, Yelena Belova, and the History of 'Black Widow'". Marvel Entertainment. Archived from the original on January 28, 2021. Retrieved May 21, 2021.

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