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Not moved, 20 July 2021, from TAM Airlines Flight 3054 to TAM Linhas Aéreas Flight 3054, see discussion.
No consensus, 20 July 2021, from TAM Airlines Flight 3054 to TAM Flight 3054, see discussion.

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Requested move 23 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 20:03, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TAM Airlines Flight 3054 → TAM Flight 3054 – We require a consistent title amongst airline accident pages. Noting the controversy above, and since we already do have TAM Flight 9755, I believe this page should be renamed to TAM Flight 3054 which is currently at a redirect. The Portuguese Wikipedia quoted above also has its title as simply TAM Flight 3054: [1], therefore I believe this is the right way forward. Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Material Works 17:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Much like KLM, TWA, and countless others, this airline was known simply by its acronym. 162 etc. (talk) 18:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I believe this is the correctly named article and that TAM Flight 9755 should be renamed TAM Airlines Flight 9755. "TAM Flight" is used but is not the WP:COMMONNAME per my source search. KLM is the full common name of the company and Trans World Airlines' common name was TWA, so I do not think they count. SportingFlyer T·C 00:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Something to note: I looked up 'TAM Flight 9755' and 'TAM Airlines Flight 9755'. The 'TAM Airlines' convention only brought me 81,000 results: [2] while the 'TAM' convention brought me 221,000 results: [3].

This gap is less in the Flight 3054 accident but the 'TAM' convention still seems to hold superior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq (talk • contribs) 02:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because you didn't search with quotations on. The TAM convention you searched therefore included all "TAM Airlines" results. With quotations the "TAM Airlines" option is clearly more popular for the more popular Wikipedia article (3054) and just a little below on 9755. SportingFlyer T·C 08:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Runway

so the entire article is written in a way that makes the reader assume that the condition of the runway and negligence caused this entire accident, dwelling at length on the drainage issues and resurfacing. Yet when we get to the actual crash it turns out that it was actually caused by pilot error, and never explains anywhere how the "unsafe runway" contributed to the crash. What, if they had better drainage it wouldn't have mattered if a pilot accidentally landed with one engine on full thrust and one working thrust reverse, everyone would have been fine? They were negligent for not completely closing the airport for another month to all traffic just in case a pilot tried to land in these conditions? Is there some political goal at work here that makes this emphasis necessary? Because as far as I can tell that deserves a small additional paragraph pointing out that the safety of the runway was marginal and needed to be improved to provide a margin of potential safety against gross pilot errors life this, but that it didn't directly contribute to the crash.

If the runway did somehow cause the crash to happen, and normally a plane could land safely in this condition, maybe explain that clearly instead of just implying it?

Idumea47b (talk) 23:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]