Talk:Mink Nutcharut

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

Notability and Citations

I've removed the refimprove and notability tags as it seems to me that there are appropriate citations which establish notability. I hope I'm not overestimating my own contributions in this respect. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name reference

Per MOS:GIVENNAME, the article should refer to her by her given name as Nutcharut. Even though the article is titled after her professional name "Mink Nutcharut", Mink is still her nickname, and unless it's widely used by sources in lieu of her legal name (which I'm not seeing), it's too informal and unsuitable for the tone expected on Wikipedia. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed this. Thanks, Paul_012. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 00:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mink Nutcharut/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 22:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Brachy0008 (talk · contribs) 07:18, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose all my points have been made. please address them and the GA shall be yours brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 10:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the tables have headers in the middle, breaking MOS:COLHEAD brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 11:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These tables get a lot of discussion at WP:SNOOKER. I've changed the format. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hi! brachy08, professional minecraft youtuber and GA reviewer here. can’t think of a good intro so... here you go~!

Overalls

A lot of formatting issues here and there, which kinda deters me from passing the article.

Copyvios

Violation unlikely (26.5%)

Women's snooker

~~FN 7: Does not support defeating Siripaporn 5–2 in the final I'd suggest re-writing it to She later won it in 2016. Aged 16 could be redundant.~~

I've corrected the score and added a ref. I think retaining her age is relevant as she would have been competing against players up to several years older, in an Under-21 championship. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~FN 8 is redundant in and retained the title at the next two annual tournaments~~

Removed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Can you explain contested by players who did not reach the quarter-finals of the main event?~~

It means it was was only open to players who did not reach the quarter-finals of the main event, but as I couldn't find any coverage of that apart from results that didn't explain this restriction, I've removed it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~FN 14 is a bit... formatted incorrectly (I could see some wikitext)~~
FN 22 does not support registering wins over Kimberly Cullen 3–0, Carlie Tait 3–0 and Jaique Ip 4–0 to reach the final, against Ng. Nutcharut won the final 4–2, gaining her first ranking tournament win
FN 26 does not support She defeated Rebecca Kenna 5–1 in the semi-finals before facing Wendy Jans in the final.
~~Jans missed the black into the yellow pocket, leaving it over the middle, allowing Nutcharutto clinch her first women's world title. You accidentally merged "Nutcharut" and "to".~~
~~Victory is misspelled as "victorty".~~
~~Can you explain the In 2023–24, Nutcharut won two of the season's eight ranking tournaments, and was runner-up at three.?~~

Amended, but I'm not sure whether it addresses your point. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~She finished the season in top place in the rankings. seems a bit redundant, as it could refer to Ng, going a bit out of topic.~~

World Snooker Tour

~~There is one citation needed tag not addressed yet.~~
~~first century and top ranked are missing a hyphen.~~

first century doesn't need one in "first century break"; it was her first, not a first-century one.

~~Added is missing a comma~~
she defeated 96th seed Adam Duffy 6‍–‍3, but then lost to 65th seed Michael White in a deciding frame in the second round. Seed numbers are trivial.
~~FN 32 does not support Nutcharut being top-ranked player~~

The ref number may have shifted, but the sources have "fellow Asian stars Mink Nutcharut and Ng On Yee showed their dominance by securing five ranking event titles between them as the Thai player finished top of the world rankings" and "For world number one Nutcharut there was the consolation of having done enough during the tournament to secure the world number one ranking at the end of the season"

Image review

All images seem to be licensed under CC-0 or CC BY-SA 4.0, but I do have my own suspicions though. (im assuming good faith)

Stuff that can help for FA

These stuff aren't mandatory for the GA review, but would help in the long run. Take this with a grain of salt though, I don't have much experience with FAs

She won the 2022 World Women's Snooker Championship, defeating Wendy Jans 6–5 on the final black to become the tournament's first Thai winner. She lost the 2024 final in the deciding frame against Bai Yulu. can be written in a different way to make it a bit more interesting and hook-ish.
It can do serious copy-editing to make the article a good read.

Typically I send an article to WP:GOCE before nominating it as a FAC, but in this case I think that while there's enough depth for a GA, there just aren't the right sources available to bring it up to FA standards. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 00:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Brachy0008. I've acted on your comments, except where noted in replies above. Please let me know about anything else required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

very well, it’s a pass. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 00:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Table size

@BennyOnTheLoose, congrats on the GA. Is there any reason that you have a 15% scale downgrade on Mink Nutcharut#World Snooker Tour and Mink Nutcharut#World Women's Snooker? It may take a bit for someone who may be visually impaired to read it. I am not very visually impaired but it does take a few moments for my eyes to adjust and read the small font without zooming in on desktop. Also, why gray ( ) and not black font? (I do applaud you for making a legend though! I don't see a lot of people who do it like that.) Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Cowboygilbert. These tables are in quite a few snooker articles and have been the subject of intermittent debate at WP:SNOOKER - you might like to contribute the the current discussion here. I'll resize and recolour the text at this article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]