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Requested move 15 June 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

M23 offensive (2022) → 2022 M23 offensive – Better, smoother-running title. Note we have 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine instead of Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022). Such titles are permitted on Wikipedia per WP:NCNUM#Year in front. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 14:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose: "2022 M23 offensive" is extremely confusing, as a new reader would not know what belongs where. They could very well think that this is an offensive by the "2022 M23" group - M23 literally stands for "March 23". "M23 offensive (2022)" avoids this confusion - and to counter your argument, most of the sub-campaigns of the 2022 Russian invasion are tittled "name (2022)", see Kyiv offensive (2022), Battle of Kyiv (2022), Battle of Kharkiv (2022), Battle of Izium (2022), etc. Applodion (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Why not name this article "Second M23 rebellion", and move M23 rebellion to "First M23 rebellion"? Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 21:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably per WP:COMMONNAME. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 23:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikrobølgeovn: In addition to the lack of sources calling this a second rebellion (while most call it an offensive), the "Second M23 rebellion" actually began in 2017 when Sultani Makenga returned from exile. M23 has continued to wage an (extremely low-level) insurgency since that time, with a bit more notable attacks in late 2021 and early 2022. It's just that nobody cared when they just held some camps in the mountains and acted like the average bandit / village militia. Applodion (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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A really nice piece of work. I hope that it will shortly be turning up at GAN. (Although it will need a more comprehensive lead first.) Gog the Mild (talk) 21:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

offensive?

"offensive" does not seem to be an appropriate title for the subject. The French Wikipedia uses the term "Résurgence du M23". This is a rebellion or insurgency. Fontaine347 (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure of your command of English? This is a particular offensive of that insurgency. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is describing an insurgency instead of an offensive.

An offensive is what happened in Goma (2025 Goma offensive).--Fontaine347 (talk) 12:46, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An M23 rebellion has been ongoing since 2017, when Sultani Makenga's forces returned from exile. However, I was WP:Bold and moved the article to "M23 campaign" as this is no longer 'just' an offensive. Applodion (talk) 20:59, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the use of "campaign". Doesn't xyz campaign suggest it takes place in an area called xyz? eg the Gallipoli campaign. 675930s (talk) 02:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not just North Kivu

M23 rebels control territory in both North and South Kivu according to the map, so the area of operation in the infobox should be changed Gorgedweller (talk) 12:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 February 2025

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– Sources for "M23 rebellion": Sky UK, Al Jazeera, AP, Reuters. "M23 campaign" appears to be used only by the BBC. M23 are pretty much unanimously referred to as rebels, although sometimes as militants. This would also be WP:CONSISTENT with the prior conflict. The status quo means anyone who searches "M23 rebellion" gets the 2012-2013 conflict, when they are much more likely to be searching for the current one; M23 rebellion would become a disambiguation page. Thanks Kowal2701 (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prior discussions at Talk:M23 campaign (2022–present)#Requested move 15 June 2022, Talk:M23 campaign (2022–present)#offensive?, and Talk:M23 rebellion#Title. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]